Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > Deceiving oneself ? > > > > > > > > > > Who is the deceiver and who is oneself ? Are there two Dans or Werners ? > > > > > > > > Hi Werner - > > > > > > > > One makes oneself into two when dividing into subject located separately from object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, no-one makes oneself into two. It is thought which is the maker-in-two. > > > > > > > > > > It is the project called " survival in time. " > > > > > > > > One will keep on being two, until one understands and resolves the issue. > > > > > > > > > Unitl one understands ? > > > > > > There is no 'until'. Either there is understanding or there is no understanding. And if there is understanding then it is sudden, without any time involved. > > > > > > Werner > > > > There is no " if. " > > > > " If " involves time. > > > > So, one knowing is timeless. > > > > There is no other being known, and no self apart from the knowing. > > > > No brain doing it. > > > > There is simple knowing. > > > > And you, my friend, will not be fooled by hitting your head against a wall any longer. > > > Don't call me your friend, you arrogant bastad. > > Werner Okay, you old headbanger, you. - Dan - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deceiving oneself ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who is the deceiver and who is oneself ? Are there two Dans or Werners ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One makes oneself into two when dividing into subject located separately from object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, no-one makes oneself into two. It is thought which is the maker-in-two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the project called " survival in time. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One will keep on being two, until one understands and resolves the issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unitl one understands ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'until'. Either there is understanding or there is no understanding. And if there is understanding then it is sudden, without any time involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no " if. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If " involves time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, one knowing is timeless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no other being known, and no self apart from the knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No brain doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is simple knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you, my friend, will not be fooled by hitting your head against a wall any longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't call me your friend, you arrogant bastad. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Calm down, my friend. Take a deep breath ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ay, Gossiper-Tim, > > > > > > > > Now Dan definitely has underststood that you want to be his friend. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Dan is a 'friend' by default, afaic. He never insults, defends, attacks, accuses, flames, etc. No reason not to be his friend, in other words. > > > > > > if " anyone " EVER makes you feel: > > > > insulted..in need of defending your " self " .. > > > > feel like you're under attack.. > > > > like you're being accused of anything... > > > > like you're being flamed etc. > > > > which from this list and attitude in naming all of the above.. > > > > & from your evident and obvious obsession over same.. > > > > which you are so focused on spelling out and using as explanation.. > > > > as to why someone is or is not " friendly " .. > > > > or towards whom you feel friendly or " in touch " .. > > > > you plainly think too goddamn much about yourself.. > > Oh, come now... some folks are interesting to talk to, some aren't. > > Some have something 'worthy' to say, some don't. > > That has nothing to do with thinking of oneself at all. gotcha sport. well..you're interesting that's for dang sure. and so damn worthy too! why an ego-less master like yourself... doesn't think about himself as oneself at all anyway. all selves and everything else are All contained in you as One right? and..considering thet you don't.. think about yourself as you don't think as a self at all.. nothing has anything to do with your thoughtless Graciousness. we are not worthy Swami. yet you seem hell bent on defending your Honorableness. don't worry yer Majesty.. i'm not. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2009 - BobN Nisargadatta Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:17 PM Re: Body Identification Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > Deceiving oneself ? > > > > > > > > > > Who is the deceiver and who is oneself ? Are there two Dans or > > > > > Werners ? > > > > > > > > Hi Werner - > > > > > > > > One makes oneself into two when dividing into subject located > > > > separately from object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, no-one makes oneself into two. It is thought which is the > > > maker-in-two. > > > > > > > > > > It is the project called " survival in time. " > > > > > > > > One will keep on being two, until one understands and resolves the > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > Unitl one understands ? > > > > > > There is no 'until'. Either there is understanding or there is no > > > understanding. And if there is understanding then it is sudden, > > > without any time involved. > > > > > > Werner > > > > There is no " if. " > > > > " If " involves time. > > > > So, one knowing is timeless. > > > > There is no other being known, and no self apart from the knowing. > > > > No brain doing it. > > > > There is simple knowing. > > > > And you, my friend, will not be fooled by hitting your head against a > > wall any longer. > > > Don't call me your friend, you arrogant bastad. > > Werner what's a bastad? arrogant huh? hmmmmmmm? ..b b.b. I think it is a town in Switzerland -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2009 - BobN Nisargadatta Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:38 PM Re: Body Identification Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deceiving oneself ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who is the deceiver and who is oneself ? Are there two Dans > > > > > > > > or Werners ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One makes oneself into two when dividing into subject located > > > > > > > separately from object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, no-one makes oneself into two. It is thought which is the > > > > > > maker-in-two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the project called " survival in time. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One will keep on being two, until one understands and resolves > > > > > > > the issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unitl one understands ? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'until'. Either there is understanding or there is > > > > > > no understanding. And if there is understanding then it is > > > > > > sudden, without any time involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > There is no " if. " > > > > > > > > > > " If " involves time. > > > > > > > > > > So, one knowing is timeless. > > > > > > > > > > There is no other being known, and no self apart from the knowing. > > > > > > > > > > No brain doing it. > > > > > > > > > > There is simple knowing. > > > > > > > > > > And you, my friend, will not be fooled by hitting your head > > > > > against a wall any longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't call me your friend, you arrogant bastad. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Calm down, my friend. Take a deep breath ;-). > > > > > > > > > Ay, Gossiper-Tim, > > > > Now Dan definitely has underststood that you want to be his friend. > > > > Werner > > > > Dan is a 'friend' by default, afaic. He never insults, defends, attacks, > accuses, flames, etc. No reason not to be his friend, in other words. if " anyone " EVER makes you feel: insulted..in need of defending your " self " .. feel like you're under attack.. like you're being accused of anything... like you're being flamed etc. which from this list and attitude in naming all of the above.. & from your evident and obvious obsession over same.. which you are so focused on spelling out and using as explanation.. as to why someone is or is not " friendly " .. or towards whom you feel friendly or " in touch " .. you plainly think too goddamn much about yourself.. and your misplaced self righteous importance. this belies the fact that you think.. that you should be shown respect and deference. what an Ego. get over yourself tim and chill out. i guess you feel that you must feel that someone is worthy of you. what a joke. you need to look for reasons to have or to not have or consider.. someone as a friend... that's a shame. almost pitiable. but not really. who cares. it's not important to anyone but you. and your self is even less important to any other self. that's how both selves and elves work. neither one are real anyway. ..b b.b. You wrote all that for tim's sake? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:38 PM > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deceiving oneself ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who is the deceiver and who is oneself ? Are there two Dans > > > > > > > > > or Werners ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One makes oneself into two when dividing into subject located > > > > > > > > separately from object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, no-one makes oneself into two. It is thought which is the > > > > > > > maker-in-two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the project called " survival in time. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One will keep on being two, until one understands and resolves > > > > > > > > the issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unitl one understands ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'until'. Either there is understanding or there is > > > > > > > no understanding. And if there is understanding then it is > > > > > > > sudden, without any time involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no " if. " > > > > > > > > > > > > " If " involves time. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, one knowing is timeless. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no other being known, and no self apart from the knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > No brain doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is simple knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > And you, my friend, will not be fooled by hitting your head > > > > > > against a wall any longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't call me your friend, you arrogant bastad. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Calm down, my friend. Take a deep breath ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ay, Gossiper-Tim, > > > > > > Now Dan definitely has underststood that you want to be his friend. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > Dan is a 'friend' by default, afaic. He never insults, defends, attacks, > > accuses, flames, etc. No reason not to be his friend, in other words. > > if " anyone " EVER makes you feel: > > insulted..in need of defending your " self " .. > > feel like you're under attack.. > > like you're being accused of anything... > > like you're being flamed etc. > > which from this list and attitude in naming all of the above.. > > & from your evident and obvious obsession over same.. > > which you are so focused on spelling out and using as explanation.. > > as to why someone is or is not " friendly " .. > > or towards whom you feel friendly or " in touch " .. > > you plainly think too goddamn much about yourself.. > > and your misplaced self righteous importance. > > this belies the fact that you think.. > > that you should be shown respect and deference. > > what an Ego. > > get over yourself tim and chill out. > > i guess you feel that you must feel that someone is worthy of you. > > what a joke. > > you need to look for reasons to have or to not have or consider.. > > someone as a friend... > > that's a shame. > > almost pitiable. > > but not really. > > who cares. > > it's not important to anyone but you. > > and your self is even less important to any other self. > > that's how both selves and elves work. > > neither one are real anyway. > > .b b.b. > > You wrote all that for tim's sake? > -geo- who's tim? oh..him! no it wasn't written for the sake of the him that is tim. what good would that do.... for goodness' sakes?. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:38 PM > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deceiving oneself ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who is the deceiver and who is oneself ? Are there two Dans > > > > > > > > > or Werners ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One makes oneself into two when dividing into subject located > > > > > > > > separately from object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, no-one makes oneself into two. It is thought which is the > > > > > > > maker-in-two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the project called " survival in time. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One will keep on being two, until one understands and resolves > > > > > > > > the issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unitl one understands ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'until'. Either there is understanding or there is > > > > > > > no understanding. And if there is understanding then it is > > > > > > > sudden, without any time involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no " if. " > > > > > > > > > > > > " If " involves time. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, one knowing is timeless. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no other being known, and no self apart from the knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > No brain doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is simple knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > And you, my friend, will not be fooled by hitting your head > > > > > > against a wall any longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't call me your friend, you arrogant bastad. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Calm down, my friend. Take a deep breath ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ay, Gossiper-Tim, > > > > > > Now Dan definitely has underststood that you want to be his friend. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > Dan is a 'friend' by default, afaic. He never insults, defends, attacks, > > accuses, flames, etc. No reason not to be his friend, in other words. > > if " anyone " EVER makes you feel: > > insulted..in need of defending your " self " .. > > feel like you're under attack.. > > like you're being accused of anything... > > like you're being flamed etc. > > which from this list and attitude in naming all of the above.. > > & from your evident and obvious obsession over same.. > > which you are so focused on spelling out and using as explanation.. > > as to why someone is or is not " friendly " .. > > or towards whom you feel friendly or " in touch " .. > > you plainly think too goddamn much about yourself.. > > and your misplaced self righteous importance. > > this belies the fact that you think.. > > that you should be shown respect and deference. > > what an Ego. > > get over yourself tim and chill out. > > i guess you feel that you must feel that someone is worthy of you. > > what a joke. > > you need to look for reasons to have or to not have or consider.. > > someone as a friend... > > that's a shame. > > almost pitiable. > > but not really. > > who cares. > > it's not important to anyone but you. > > and your self is even less important to any other self. > > that's how both selves and elves work. > > neither one are real anyway. > > .b b.b. > > You wrote all that for tim's sake? > -geo- LOL. Yes, to enlighten Tim that there is no Tim to be enlightened. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > BobN > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:38 PM > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deceiving oneself ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who is the deceiver and who is oneself ? Are there two Dans > > > > > > > > > > or Werners ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One makes oneself into two when dividing into subject located > > > > > > > > > separately from object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, no-one makes oneself into two. It is thought which is the > > > > > > > > maker-in-two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the project called " survival in time. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One will keep on being two, until one understands and resolves > > > > > > > > > the issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unitl one understands ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'until'. Either there is understanding or there is > > > > > > > > no understanding. And if there is understanding then it is > > > > > > > > sudden, without any time involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no " if. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If " involves time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, one knowing is timeless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no other being known, and no self apart from the knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No brain doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is simple knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you, my friend, will not be fooled by hitting your head > > > > > > > against a wall any longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't call me your friend, you arrogant bastad. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Calm down, my friend. Take a deep breath ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ay, Gossiper-Tim, > > > > > > > > Now Dan definitely has underststood that you want to be his friend. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Dan is a 'friend' by default, afaic. He never insults, defends, attacks, > > > accuses, flames, etc. No reason not to be his friend, in other words. > > > > if " anyone " EVER makes you feel: > > > > insulted..in need of defending your " self " .. > > > > feel like you're under attack.. > > > > like you're being accused of anything... > > > > like you're being flamed etc. > > > > which from this list and attitude in naming all of the above.. > > > > & from your evident and obvious obsession over same.. > > > > which you are so focused on spelling out and using as explanation.. > > > > as to why someone is or is not " friendly " .. > > > > or towards whom you feel friendly or " in touch " .. > > > > you plainly think too goddamn much about yourself.. > > > > and your misplaced self righteous importance. > > > > this belies the fact that you think.. > > > > that you should be shown respect and deference. > > > > what an Ego. > > > > get over yourself tim and chill out. > > > > i guess you feel that you must feel that someone is worthy of you. > > > > what a joke. > > > > you need to look for reasons to have or to not have or consider.. > > > > someone as a friend... > > > > that's a shame. > > > > almost pitiable. > > > > but not really. > > > > who cares. > > > > it's not important to anyone but you. > > > > and your self is even less important to any other self. > > > > that's how both selves and elves work. > > > > neither one are real anyway. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > You wrote all that for tim's sake? > > -geo- > > LOL. > > Yes, to enlighten Tim that there is no Tim to be enlightened. > > - D - > *Gasp*! It worked! Hey! As popularizer of the concept of " enlightened fiction " , we'll let Pete come up with a story of the 'new Tim' that lost himself and got enlightened ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > BobN > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:38 PM > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deceiving oneself ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who is the deceiver and who is oneself ? Are there two Dans > > > > > > > > > > or Werners ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One makes oneself into two when dividing into subject located > > > > > > > > > separately from object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, no-one makes oneself into two. It is thought which is the > > > > > > > > maker-in-two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the project called " survival in time. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One will keep on being two, until one understands and resolves > > > > > > > > > the issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unitl one understands ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'until'. Either there is understanding or there is > > > > > > > > no understanding. And if there is understanding then it is > > > > > > > > sudden, without any time involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no " if. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If " involves time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, one knowing is timeless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no other being known, and no self apart from the knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No brain doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is simple knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you, my friend, will not be fooled by hitting your head > > > > > > > against a wall any longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't call me your friend, you arrogant bastad. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Calm down, my friend. Take a deep breath ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ay, Gossiper-Tim, > > > > > > > > Now Dan definitely has underststood that you want to be his friend. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Dan is a 'friend' by default, afaic. He never insults, defends, attacks, > > > accuses, flames, etc. No reason not to be his friend, in other words. > > > > if " anyone " EVER makes you feel: > > > > insulted..in need of defending your " self " .. > > > > feel like you're under attack.. > > > > like you're being accused of anything... > > > > like you're being flamed etc. > > > > which from this list and attitude in naming all of the above.. > > > > & from your evident and obvious obsession over same.. > > > > which you are so focused on spelling out and using as explanation.. > > > > as to why someone is or is not " friendly " .. > > > > or towards whom you feel friendly or " in touch " .. > > > > you plainly think too goddamn much about yourself.. > > > > and your misplaced self righteous importance. > > > > this belies the fact that you think.. > > > > that you should be shown respect and deference. > > > > what an Ego. > > > > get over yourself tim and chill out. > > > > i guess you feel that you must feel that someone is worthy of you. > > > > what a joke. > > > > you need to look for reasons to have or to not have or consider.. > > > > someone as a friend... > > > > that's a shame. > > > > almost pitiable. > > > > but not really. > > > > who cares. > > > > it's not important to anyone but you. > > > > and your self is even less important to any other self. > > > > that's how both selves and elves work. > > > > neither one are real anyway. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > You wrote all that for tim's sake? > > -geo- > > LOL. > > Yes, to enlighten Tim that there is no Tim to be enlightened. > > - D - yes..boyfriends will be boyfriends. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > BobN > > > Nisargadatta > > > Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:38 PM > > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deceiving oneself ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who is the deceiver and who is oneself ? Are there two Dans > > > > > > > > > > > or Werners ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One makes oneself into two when dividing into subject located > > > > > > > > > > separately from object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, no-one makes oneself into two. It is thought which is the > > > > > > > > > maker-in-two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the project called " survival in time. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One will keep on being two, until one understands and resolves > > > > > > > > > > the issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unitl one understands ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'until'. Either there is understanding or there is > > > > > > > > > no understanding. And if there is understanding then it is > > > > > > > > > sudden, without any time involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no " if. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If " involves time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, one knowing is timeless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no other being known, and no self apart from the knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No brain doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is simple knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you, my friend, will not be fooled by hitting your head > > > > > > > > against a wall any longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't call me your friend, you arrogant bastad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > Calm down, my friend. Take a deep breath ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ay, Gossiper-Tim, > > > > > > > > > > Now Dan definitely has underststood that you want to be his friend. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan is a 'friend' by default, afaic. He never insults, defends, attacks, > > > > accuses, flames, etc. No reason not to be his friend, in other words. > > > > > > if " anyone " EVER makes you feel: > > > > > > insulted..in need of defending your " self " .. > > > > > > feel like you're under attack.. > > > > > > like you're being accused of anything... > > > > > > like you're being flamed etc. > > > > > > which from this list and attitude in naming all of the above.. > > > > > > & from your evident and obvious obsession over same.. > > > > > > which you are so focused on spelling out and using as explanation.. > > > > > > as to why someone is or is not " friendly " .. > > > > > > or towards whom you feel friendly or " in touch " .. > > > > > > you plainly think too goddamn much about yourself.. > > > > > > and your misplaced self righteous importance. > > > > > > this belies the fact that you think.. > > > > > > that you should be shown respect and deference. > > > > > > what an Ego. > > > > > > get over yourself tim and chill out. > > > > > > i guess you feel that you must feel that someone is worthy of you. > > > > > > what a joke. > > > > > > you need to look for reasons to have or to not have or consider.. > > > > > > someone as a friend... > > > > > > that's a shame. > > > > > > almost pitiable. > > > > > > but not really. > > > > > > who cares. > > > > > > it's not important to anyone but you. > > > > > > and your self is even less important to any other self. > > > > > > that's how both selves and elves work. > > > > > > neither one are real anyway. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > You wrote all that for tim's sake? > > > -geo- > > > > LOL. > > > > Yes, to enlighten Tim that there is no Tim to be enlightened. > > > > - D - > > > > *Gasp*! It worked! Hey! > > As popularizer of the concept of " enlightened fiction " , we'll let Pete come up with a story of the 'new Tim' that lost himself and got enlightened ;-). awwwww cute! boyfriends will be boyfriends. living la vida loca enjoying coca cola.. in perfect harmonnnnnnnnnnnnnie! LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > BobN > > > Nisargadatta > > > Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:38 PM > > > Re: Body Identification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deceiving oneself ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who is the deceiver and who is oneself ? Are there two Dans > > > > > > > > > > > or Werners ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One makes oneself into two when dividing into subject located > > > > > > > > > > separately from object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, no-one makes oneself into two. It is thought which is the > > > > > > > > > maker-in-two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the project called " survival in time. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One will keep on being two, until one understands and resolves > > > > > > > > > > the issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unitl one understands ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'until'. Either there is understanding or there is > > > > > > > > > no understanding. And if there is understanding then it is > > > > > > > > > sudden, without any time involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no " if. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If " involves time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, one knowing is timeless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no other being known, and no self apart from the knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No brain doing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is simple knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you, my friend, will not be fooled by hitting your head > > > > > > > > against a wall any longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't call me your friend, you arrogant bastad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > Calm down, my friend. Take a deep breath ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ay, Gossiper-Tim, > > > > > > > > > > Now Dan definitely has underststood that you want to be his friend. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan is a 'friend' by default, afaic. He never insults, defends, attacks, > > > > accuses, flames, etc. No reason not to be his friend, in other words. > > > > > > if " anyone " EVER makes you feel: > > > > > > insulted..in need of defending your " self " .. > > > > > > feel like you're under attack.. > > > > > > like you're being accused of anything... > > > > > > like you're being flamed etc. > > > > > > which from this list and attitude in naming all of the above.. > > > > > > & from your evident and obvious obsession over same.. > > > > > > which you are so focused on spelling out and using as explanation.. > > > > > > as to why someone is or is not " friendly " .. > > > > > > or towards whom you feel friendly or " in touch " .. > > > > > > you plainly think too goddamn much about yourself.. > > > > > > and your misplaced self righteous importance. > > > > > > this belies the fact that you think.. > > > > > > that you should be shown respect and deference. > > > > > > what an Ego. > > > > > > get over yourself tim and chill out. > > > > > > i guess you feel that you must feel that someone is worthy of you. > > > > > > what a joke. > > > > > > you need to look for reasons to have or to not have or consider.. > > > > > > someone as a friend... > > > > > > that's a shame. > > > > > > almost pitiable. > > > > > > but not really. > > > > > > who cares. > > > > > > it's not important to anyone but you. > > > > > > and your self is even less important to any other self. > > > > > > that's how both selves and elves work. > > > > > > neither one are real anyway. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > You wrote all that for tim's sake? > > > -geo- > > > > LOL. > > > > Yes, to enlighten Tim that there is no Tim to be enlightened. > > > > - D - > > > > *Gasp*! It worked! Hey! > > As popularizer of the concept of " enlightened fiction " , we'll let Pete come up with a story of the 'new Tim' that lost himself and got enlightened ;-). > Ah, Gossiper-Tim stabilizing on Pete's shoulders. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
