Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:49 PM Re: It's LIke...... Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:14 PM > Re: It's LIke...... > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one > > > > 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > There is no " Awareness " doing everything. > > > > That's purely make-believe fantasy and projection. > > > > > > - D - > > Well, then, " it " is doing everything... 'member? " It " is raining outside, > " it " is people-ing, etc., according to Dan-ji. > > I guess " It " makes more sense to ya than " awareness " , eh? > > Or is it only when you disapprove of somebody's speech or behavior, that > certain words aren't " allowed " ? > > When we're all cheerful and stuff, is the word " awareness " OK? :-p. > -t- > > Could be both ways: fact or imagination. Like people saying all is > god...lets pray, he loves us. So being-it is a very " particular " > perspective > :>))) not something BTW, like one among many facts... > -geo- Afaic, folks can say whatever they like, because they *do* say whatever they like. It seems very silly here to correct the past :-p. geo: Afaic? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote: > Nonsense Dan. > > I suppose awareness doesn't type on a keyboard, read the screen or gather its *thoughts*. > > Call it nothing call it everything, including make-believe fantasy and projection, but you can't escape its reality, even if it seems > arbitrary and ephemeral. > > ~A There is no " it " doing anything, Anna. You seem to balk at this. And that's okay with me. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Probably it is best that you don't even go there. Please don't, in fact. Having everything fall apart isn't a wonderful love picnic. It's just what is. One will never understand one's own knowing process, unless and until the fundamental assumptions of that process are laid bare and allowed to dissolve. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:25 PM > Re: It's LIke...... > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > wwoehr > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:54 PM > > Re: It's LIke...... > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one > > > > > 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > > > There is no " Awareness " doing everything. > > > > > > That's purely make-believe fantasy and projection. > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > Yes Dan, true, > > > > And if you do the next step seeing how awareness is created by the brain > > you > > will see that awareness does not exis: > > > > The firing of memory cells within the neuronal netweork is what we > > experience as awareness. > > > > To use a metaphor for that firing of memory cells one could say that > > awareness (or consciousness) is a flow of contents of atcivated memory > > cells > > which we call awareness. But awareness is nither a function nor a state. > > It > > is just millions of 'sparkeles' happening in the neuronal network. > > > > Werner > > > > And the brain, the brain cels, the firing..... are all not awareness > > because > > they are the source of awareness. Which is the next step werner? > > -geo- > > > > Geo, I would be happy to answer your question as long as you are really and > seriously interested. > > But as long you are only interest is to find some faults in what is written > then you are just a fault-finder but not a companion one could walk together > with and share the adventures of the walk. > > Werner > > If the brain cells are the source of awareness or consciousness for the > case...what is it that is aware off brain cells? If all things are > perceptualy constructed in a brain, what is the nature of the brain that is > constructing consciousness? > -geo- Yes, to know anything as an object is to have a position outside of it from which to survey it. One understands that this situation of knowing objects is an infinite regress. One steps back to see what is seeing the object, and then has to step back to see what is seeing that which is seeing that which is seeing the object. Another name for this infinite regress is " time. " At the point of comprehending the infinite regress involved in knowing any object as such, the entire edifice of knowledge collapses. This includes knowledge about any quality of any kind, including even " awareness " or " nothingness. " There is no point in debating this, as if it were a conceptual idea to be proved right or wrong. It is, rather, experiential. That is, one comes to the impossibility of knowing anything, one comes to the inability to formulate any thing or quality. One's knowing of anything at all collapses. And one ... sees what is. That is all. One can't give this to someone else. One can't give it to oneself. One is not there to have this experience or to make it happen. Nor is one missing from the experience, nor is one something else, other than what this is. The words offered about this are in nature of invitation, that is all. The words and their meanings collapse along with everything else. This truth is born of necessity. It is only clear when there is no other option and it can't be avoided. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > It's silly to suggest that all repartee is equal. > > All repartee is equally repartee, eh? > > > The idea that there is some Awareness doing everything isn't tenable, > in my opinion - it's just another version of an imaginary separable > > entity - just on a " really big " scale. > > > > If you can't differentiate between self-centered childish behavior, > > and adult conversation, then I'm not sure what to tell you to clear > > that up for you. > > > > > > - D - > > I don't need an " adult conversationalist " to clear up my views, that much is for sure ;-). > > So, you can stay unsure about what to do, if ya like. > > Or you can stand on your head and spit wooden nickels, or sumthin... that'd be interesting to see ;-). > > Cheers... A silly rejoinder by Tim. Okay, Tim, whatever works for you. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > There is no " Awareness " doing everything. > > > > That's purely make-believe fantasy and projection. > > > > > > - D - > > Well, then, " it " is doing everything... 'member? " It " is raining outside, " it " is people-ing, etc., according to Dan-ji. > > I guess " It " makes more sense to ya than " awareness " , eh? > > Or is it only when you disapprove of somebody's speech or behavior, that certain words aren't " allowed " ? > > When we're all cheerful and stuff, is the word " awareness " OK? :-p. Sorry, there is no it making everything happen. I guess that's hard to hear, for some. Surprising that it is so difficult, but okay, there it is. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:49 PM > Re: It's LIke...... > Afaic, folks can say whatever they like, because they *do* say whatever they > like. > > It seems very silly here to correct the past :-p. That's why no one has ever done it. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > > > There is no " Awareness " doing everything. > > > > > > That's purely make-believe fantasy and projection. > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > Well, then, " it " is doing everything... 'member? " It " is raining outside, " it " is people-ing, etc., according to Dan-ji. > > > > I guess " It " makes more sense to ya than " awareness " , eh? > > > > Or is it only when you disapprove of somebody's speech or behavior, that certain words aren't " allowed " ? > > > > When we're all cheerful and stuff, is the word " awareness " OK? :-p. > > > Sorry, there is no it making everything happen. > > I guess that's hard to hear, for some. > > > Surprising that it is so difficult, but okay, there it is. > > > - D - It is raining. Somehow that has a nice sound to it. It is peopling. It is computer listing. It is doing everything by doing nothing. It absents itself to present itself. -- D -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > > > > > There is no " Awareness " doing everything. > > > > > > > > That's purely make-believe fantasy and projection. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Well, then, " it " is doing everything... 'member? " It " is raining outside, " it " is people-ing, etc., according to Dan-ji. > > > > > > I guess " It " makes more sense to ya than " awareness " , eh? > > > > > > Or is it only when you disapprove of somebody's speech or behavior, that certain words aren't " allowed " ? > > > > > > When we're all cheerful and stuff, is the word " awareness " OK? :-p. > > > > > > Sorry, there is no it making everything happen. > > > > I guess that's hard to hear, for some. > > > > > > Surprising that it is so difficult, but okay, there it is. > > > > > > - D - > > It is raining. > > Somehow that has a nice sound to it. > > It is peopling. > > It is computer listing. > > > It is doing everything by doing nothing. > > It absents itself to present itself. > > > -- D -- P.S. you aren't here with me, to know what is " hard to hear " , or what is difficult, or what is easy. So, you are projecting. Enjoy it, kind sir :-p. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > > > > > There is no " Awareness " doing everything. > > > > > > > > That's purely make-believe fantasy and projection. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Well, then, " it " is doing everything... 'member? " It " is raining outside, " it " is people-ing, etc., according to Dan-ji. > > > > > > I guess " It " makes more sense to ya than " awareness " , eh? > > > > > > Or is it only when you disapprove of somebody's speech or behavior, that certain words aren't " allowed " ? > > > > > > When we're all cheerful and stuff, is the word " awareness " OK? :-p. > > > > > > Sorry, there is no it making everything happen. > > > > I guess that's hard to hear, for some. > > > > > > Surprising that it is so difficult, but okay, there it is. > > > > > > - D - > > It is raining. > > Somehow that has a nice sound to it. > > It is peopling. > > It is computer listing. > > > It is doing everything by doing nothing. > > It absents itself to present itself. > > > -- D -- Everything is done by doing nothing. The word " it " doesn't represent a something, neither big nor little something. There isn't any do-er, on a small scale or big scale. The it that is raining, isn't making it rain. It is the raining. And please don't get fooled by the word " it " ... Certainly there is no " it " ... Except as a form of speech ... - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > P.S. you aren't here with me, to know what is " hard to hear " , or what is difficult, or what is easy. > > So, you are projecting. > > Enjoy it, kind sir :-p. A silly P.S. What sir are you talking to, and telling him that he isn't hear with you, that isn't your projection? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > P.S. you aren't here with me, to know what is " hard to hear " , or what is difficult, or what is easy. > > > > So, you are projecting. > > > > Enjoy it, kind sir :-p. > > > A silly P.S. > > What sir are you talking to, and telling him that he isn't hear with you, that isn't your projection? Hopefully, anyone following this dialogue will be clear at this point that " projection " as a concept is only viable as long as there is a " projector " and someplace to project. No assumed projector, no assumed location for a projection, and no projecting is possible. There isn't any actual thing or event called " projection. " It's just an inference, a talking point, nothing more. So, perhaps one is able to lay to rest any assumptions about any do-ers of any kind, anywhere - of the ultimate sort or the day-to-day sort? I can talk about how Harvey forgot a button on his shirt, or Sally went to the hairdresser - and yet, no do-ers or done-to's have I ever seen. It's simply the experience of no doer anywhere that is what is ... A million words won't convey this. Never have and never will. But it's fun hinting ... - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > There is no " Awareness " doing everything. > > > > > > > > > > That's purely make-believe fantasy and projection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > Well, then, " it " is doing everything... 'member? " It " is raining outside, " it " is people-ing, etc., according to Dan-ji. > > > > > > > > I guess " It " makes more sense to ya than " awareness " , eh? > > > > > > > > Or is it only when you disapprove of somebody's speech or behavior, that certain words aren't " allowed " ? > > > > > > > > When we're all cheerful and stuff, is the word " awareness " OK? :-p. > > > > > > > > > Sorry, there is no it making everything happen. > > > > > > I guess that's hard to hear, for some. > > > > > > > > > Surprising that it is so difficult, but okay, there it is. > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > It is raining. > > > > Somehow that has a nice sound to it. > > > > It is peopling. > > > > It is computer listing. > > > > > > It is doing everything by doing nothing. > > > > It absents itself to present itself. > > > > > > -- D -- > > > Everything is done by doing nothing. > > > The word " it " doesn't represent a something, neither big nor little > something. Neither does the word " awareness " . > There isn't any do-er, on a small scale or big scale. > > > The it that is raining, isn't making it rain. I'm not aware that anyone but Dan came up with the word/concept " making something happen " as being in any way related to the conversation. > It is the raining. > > > And please don't get fooled by the word " it " ... > > > Certainly there is no " it " ... > > > Except as a form of speech ... That's perfectly clear here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > P.S. you aren't here with me, to know what is " hard to hear " , or what is difficult, or what is easy. > > > > So, you are projecting. > > > > Enjoy it, kind sir :-p. > > > A silly P.S. > > What sir are you talking to, and telling him that he isn't hear > with you, that isn't your projection? Ahh... so, all repartee *is* the same, then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no " Awareness " doing everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > That's purely make-believe fantasy and projection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > Well, then, " it " is doing everything... 'member? " It " is raining outside, " it " is people-ing, etc., according to Dan-ji. > > > > > > > > > > I guess " It " makes more sense to ya than " awareness " , eh? > > > > > > > > > > Or is it only when you disapprove of somebody's speech or behavior, that certain words aren't " allowed " ? > > > > > > > > > > When we're all cheerful and stuff, is the word " awareness " OK? :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, there is no it making everything happen. > > > > > > > > I guess that's hard to hear, for some. > > > > > > > > > > > > Surprising that it is so difficult, but okay, there it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > It is raining. > > > > > > Somehow that has a nice sound to it. > > > > > > It is peopling. > > > > > > It is computer listing. > > > > > > > > > It is doing everything by doing nothing. > > > > > > It absents itself to present itself. > > > > > > > > > -- D -- > > > > > > Everything is done by doing nothing. > > > > > > The word " it " doesn't represent a something, neither big nor little > something. > > Neither does the word " awareness " . Exactly. > > There isn't any do-er, on a small scale or big scale. > > > > > > The it that is raining, isn't making it rain. > > I'm not aware that anyone but Dan came up with the word/concept " making something happen " as being in any way related to the conversation. Now, there is a Dan, when it suits a Tim. Funny stuff! > > It is the raining. > > > > > > And please don't get fooled by the word " it " ... > > > > > > Certainly there is no " it " ... > > > > > > Except as a form of speech ... > > That's perfectly clear here. Do you think here is in some way associated with a Tim? Guess again. Smiles, - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no " Awareness " doing everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's purely make-believe fantasy and projection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, then, " it " is doing everything... 'member? " It " is raining outside, " it " is people-ing, etc., according to Dan-ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess " It " makes more sense to ya than " awareness " , eh? > > > > > > > > > > > > Or is it only when you disapprove of somebody's speech or behavior, that certain words aren't " allowed " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > When we're all cheerful and stuff, is the word " awareness " OK? :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, there is no it making everything happen. > > > > > > > > > > I guess that's hard to hear, for some. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surprising that it is so difficult, but okay, there it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > It is raining. > > > > > > > > Somehow that has a nice sound to it. > > > > > > > > It is peopling. > > > > > > > > It is computer listing. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is doing everything by doing nothing. > > > > > > > > It absents itself to present itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D -- > > > > > > > > > Everything is done by doing nothing. > > > > > > > > > The word " it " doesn't represent a something, neither big nor little > something. > > > > Neither does the word " awareness " . > > > Exactly. > > > > > There isn't any do-er, on a small scale or big scale. > > > > > > > > > The it that is raining, isn't making it rain. > > > > I'm not aware that anyone but Dan came up with the word/concept " making something happen " as being in any way related to the conversation. > > > Now, there is a Dan, when it suits a Tim. > > > Funny stuff! > > > > > It is the raining. > > > > > > > > > And please don't get fooled by the word " it " ... > > > > > > > > > Certainly there is no " it " ... > > > > > > > > > Except as a form of speech ... > > > > That's perfectly clear here. > > > Do you think here is in some way associated with a Tim? No. > Guess again. Yes, do that ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. you aren't here with me, to know what is " hard to hear " , or what is difficult, or what is easy. > > > > > > > > So, you are projecting. > > > > > > > > Enjoy it, kind sir :-p. > > > > > > > > > A silly P.S. > > > > > > What sir are you talking to, and telling him that he isn't hear > > > with you, that isn't your projection? > > > > Ahh... so, all repartee *is* the same, then? > > > No, Tim, it's not. > > But it's funny, I'm sure you would agree, that you would draw that > conclusion from what was said. You're sure I would agree, eh? Shall we drop this, before it gets *too* 'funny'? ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no " Awareness " doing everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's purely make-believe fantasy and projection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, then, " it " is doing everything... 'member? " It " is raining outside, " it " is people-ing, etc., according to Dan-ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess " It " makes more sense to ya than " awareness " , eh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or is it only when you disapprove of somebody's speech or behavior, that certain words aren't " allowed " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we're all cheerful and stuff, is the word " awareness " OK? :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, there is no it making everything happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess that's hard to hear, for some. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surprising that it is so difficult, but okay, there it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > It is raining. > > > > > > > > > > Somehow that has a nice sound to it. > > > > > > > > > > It is peopling. > > > > > > > > > > It is computer listing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is doing everything by doing nothing. > > > > > > > > > > It absents itself to present itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything is done by doing nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > The word " it " doesn't represent a something, neither big nor little > something. > > > > > > Neither does the word " awareness " . > > > > > > Exactly. > > > > > > > > There isn't any do-er, on a small scale or big scale. > > > > > > > > > > > > The it that is raining, isn't making it rain. > > > > > > I'm not aware that anyone but Dan came up with the word/concept " making something happen " as being in any way related to the conversation. > > > > > > Now, there is a Dan, when it suits a Tim. > > > > > > Funny stuff! > > > > > > > > It is the raining. > > > > > > > > > > > > And please don't get fooled by the word " it " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Certainly there is no " it " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Except as a form of speech ... > > > > > > That's perfectly clear here. > > > > > > Do you think here is in some way associated with a Tim? > > No. > > > Guess again. > > Yes, do that ;-). So, Tim saying that it's perfectly clear here, is irrelevant, Tim. But yes, of course, I agree, it is perfectly clear here. And my irrelevance in noting that, is acknowledged. How could it be anything other than perfectly clear here? Has it ever been anything else? - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > This truth is born of necessity. > > It is only clear when there is no other option and it can't be avoided. > > - D - > > I think this is a personal opinion/experience. > -geo- It's a fact, Geo. As long as there is any other option, there are two options (or more). - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. you aren't here with me, to know what is " hard to hear " , or what is difficult, or what is easy. > > > > > > > > > > So, you are projecting. > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy it, kind sir :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > A silly P.S. > > > > > > > > What sir are you talking to, and telling him that he isn't hear > > > > with you, that isn't your projection? > > > > > > Ahh... so, all repartee *is* the same, then? > > > > > > No, Tim, it's not. > > > > But it's funny, I'm sure you would agree, that you would draw that > conclusion from what was said. > > You're sure I would agree, eh? > > Shall we drop this, before it gets *too* 'funny'? ;-). Drop what? At any rate, it's time for me to go ... now. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > > > There is no " Awareness " doing everything. > > > > > > That's purely make-believe fantasy and projection. > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > Yes Dan, true, > > > > And if you do the next step seeing how awareness is created by the brain yo will see that awareness does not exist: > > > > The firing of memory cells within the neuronal netweork is what we experience as awareness. > > > > To use a metaphor for that firing of memory cells one could say that awareness (or consciousness) is a flow of contents of those atcivated memory cells and that flow we call awareness. But awareness is neither a function nor a state. It is just millions of 'sparkles' happening in the neuronal network. > > > > Werner > > Werner - > > I'm aware, it's just that my awareness isn't a " thing " that makes other things happen. > > How do you know for sure something exists, such as a cell, if you're not aware of it? > > How do you know for sure what properties a cell has or doesn't have, without being aware? > > > > - D - > And how do you know for sure that awareness is or isn't the very act of creating/recreating? And you, I and the dog (words/names given to awareness) are intimately and simultaneously connected in that creating/cocreating of what *Is*? The present presence of the present? ~A p.s. what was your original objection with my representation? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. you aren't here with me, to know what is " hard to hear " , or what is difficult, or what is easy. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you are projecting. > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy it, kind sir :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A silly P.S. > > > > > > > > > > What sir are you talking to, and telling him that he isn't hear > > > > > with you, that isn't your projection? > > > > > > > > Ahh... so, all repartee *is* the same, then? > > > > > > > > > No, Tim, it's not. > > > > > > But it's funny, I'm sure you would agree, that you would draw that > conclusion from what was said. > > > > You're sure I would agree, eh? > > > > Shall we drop this, before it gets *too* 'funny'? ;-). > > > Drop what? > > > At any rate, it's time for me to go ... now. > > > - D - Naah, I think I'll stay and post some more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > Nonsense Dan. > > > > I suppose awareness doesn't type on a keyboard, read the screen or gather its *thoughts*. > > > > Call it nothing call it everything, including make-believe fantasy and projection, but you can't escape its reality, even if it seems > > arbitrary and ephemeral. > > > > ~A > > There is no " it " doing anything, Anna. > > You seem to balk at this. > > And that's okay with me. > > I'm not trying to convince you of anything. > > Probably it is best that you don't even go there. > > Please don't, in fact. > > Having everything fall apart isn't a wonderful love picnic. > > It's just what is. > > One will never understand one's own knowing process, unless and until the fundamental assumptions of that process are laid bare and allowed to dissolve. > > > - D - > You assume too much about me, Dan. There is no bottom to fall out when identity is fluid, and understanding is a flowing relationship with reality. Not some mental de/construction. If you ever want to speak with me on another level, let me know, speaking of dissolving one's opinions. ~A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > Nonsense Dan. > > > > > > I suppose awareness doesn't type on a keyboard, read the screen or gather its *thoughts*. > > > > > > Call it nothing call it everything, including make-believe fantasy and projection, but you can't escape its reality, even if it seems > > > arbitrary and ephemeral. > > > > > > ~A > > > > There is no " it " doing anything, Anna. > > > > You seem to balk at this. > > > > And that's okay with me. > > > > I'm not trying to convince you of anything. > > > > Probably it is best that you don't even go there. > > > > Please don't, in fact. > > > > Having everything fall apart isn't a wonderful love picnic. > > > > It's just what is. > > > > One will never understand one's own knowing process, unless and until the fundamental assumptions of that process are laid bare and allowed to dissolve. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > You assume too much about me, Dan. There is no bottom to fall out > when identity is fluid, and understanding is a flowing relationship > with reality. What is it that's having a relationship with reality? Unreality? ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > Nonsense Dan. > > > > > > > > I suppose awareness doesn't type on a keyboard, read the screen or gather its *thoughts*. > > > > > > > > Call it nothing call it everything, including make-believe fantasy and projection, but you can't escape its reality, even if it seems > > > > arbitrary and ephemeral. > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > There is no " it " doing anything, Anna. > > > > > > You seem to balk at this. > > > > > > And that's okay with me. > > > > > > I'm not trying to convince you of anything. > > > > > > Probably it is best that you don't even go there. > > > > > > Please don't, in fact. > > > > > > Having everything fall apart isn't a wonderful love picnic. > > > > > > It's just what is. > > > > > > One will never understand one's own knowing process, unless and until the fundamental assumptions of that process are laid bare and allowed to dissolve. > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > You assume too much about me, Dan. There is no bottom to fall out > > when identity is fluid, and understanding is a flowing relationship > > with reality. > > What is it that's having a relationship with reality? Unreality? ;-). > There is no such thing as unreality. And that means that there could be no such thing as reality. Any questions? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nonsense Dan. > > > > > > > > > > I suppose awareness doesn't type on a keyboard, read the screen or gather its *thoughts*. > > > > > > > > > > Call it nothing call it everything, including make-believe fantasy and projection, but you can't escape its reality, even if it seems > > > > > arbitrary and ephemeral. > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > There is no " it " doing anything, Anna. > > > > > > > > You seem to balk at this. > > > > > > > > And that's okay with me. > > > > > > > > I'm not trying to convince you of anything. > > > > > > > > Probably it is best that you don't even go there. > > > > > > > > Please don't, in fact. > > > > > > > > Having everything fall apart isn't a wonderful love picnic. > > > > > > > > It's just what is. > > > > > > > > One will never understand one's own knowing process, unless and until the fundamental assumptions of that process are laid bare and allowed to dissolve. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > You assume too much about me, Dan. There is no bottom to fall out > > > when identity is fluid, and understanding is a flowing relationship > > > with reality. > > > > What is it that's having a relationship with reality? Unreality? ;-). > > There is no such thing as unreality. > > > And that means that there could be no such thing as reality. > > > Any questions? > > > > > toombaru Nope. Nicely stated :-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
