Guest guest Report post Posted October 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > It's like trying to find the other side of the earth by walking East. > > > > > toombaru Is " it " like that? Does " it " like that? Is " it " raining outside? Shhhhhh.... it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 13, 2009 Em 13/10/2009 17:45, Tim G. < fewtch > escreveu: Â Nisargadatta , " toombaru " .> wrote: > > > > > > It's like trying to find the other side of the earth by walking East. > > > > > toombaru Is " it " like that? Does " it " like that? Is " it " raining outside? Shhhhhh.... it. -tim- Well...I guess if one writes, one writes about something, is it not? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , inandor <inandor wrote: > > > > > Em 13/10/2009 17:45, Tim G. < fewtch > escreveu: > > > Â > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It's like trying to find the other side of the earth by walking East. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Is " it " like that? > > Does " it " like that? > > Is " it " raining outside? > > Shhhhhh.... > > it. > -tim- > > Well...I guess if one writes, one writes about something, is it not? > -geo- " Writing " just arises, eh? One doesn't sit and plan out what to write (unless that happens, I s'pose). And so what is doing the writing... is it the " I " that arises *as* the writing, as part of the writing, as in saying " I am writing " ? Obviously not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 13, 2009 I enjoy not observing the observer that isn't there. It's not like anything. - D - Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > It's like trying to find the other side of the earth by walking East. > > > > > toombaru > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Em 13/10/2009 18:19, Tim G. < fewtch > escreveu:  Nisargadatta , inandor > wrote: > > > > > Em 13/10/2009 17:45, Tim G. < fewtch > escreveu: > > >  > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It's like trying to find the other side of the earth by walking East. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Is " it " like that? > > Does " it " like that? > > Is " it " raining outside? > > Shhhhhh.... > > it. > -tim- > > Well...I guess if one writes, one writes about something, is it not? > -geo- " Writing " just arises, eh? One doesn't sit and plan out what to write (unless that happens, I s'pose). And so what is doing the writing... is it the " I " that arises *as* the writing, as part of the writing, as in saying " I am writing " ? Obviously not. -t- Did he imply " I " am writing? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > It's like trying to find the other side of the earth by walking East. > > > > > toombaru > it's like a toomit trying to get out of self and Self... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It's like trying to find the other side of the earth by walking East. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > it's like a toomit trying to get out of self and Self... > > > > > Marc Toomit... heheheh ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's like trying to find the other side of the earth by walking East. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > it's like a toomit trying to get out of self and Self... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > Toomit... heheheh ;-). > toomit are just perfectly stupid..... without knowing anything about Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's like trying to find the other side of the earth by walking East. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's like a toomit trying to get out of self and Self... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > Toomit... heheheh ;-). > > > > > toomit are just perfectly stupid..... > > without knowing anything about > > > > > Marc > Ps: should be Toomits... some of them name themself " Dan " ....etc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's like trying to find the other side of the earth by walking East. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's like a toomit trying to get out of self and Self... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Toomit... heheheh ;-). > > > > > > > > > toomit are just perfectly stupid..... > > > > without knowing anything about > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > Ps: should be Toomits... > > some of them name themself " Dan " ....etc > > Marco strikes again. How awesome is his repartee. Not. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's like trying to find the other side of the earth by walking East. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's like a toomit trying to get out of self and Self... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Toomit... heheheh ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > toomit are just perfectly stupid..... > > > > > > without knowing anything about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: should be Toomits... > > > > some of them name themself " Dan " ....etc > > > > > > > Marco strikes again. > > How awesome is his repartee. > > Not. > > > - D - No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > snippity snippity snap > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. ~A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > ~A > Awareness is doing nothing simply because it doesn't exist. But thought clains to be the owner of awarenes and to be the doer. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > > > ~A > > > > > Awareness is doing nothing simply because it doesn't exist. > > But thought clains to be the owner of awarenes and to be the doer. > > Werner > Well......at least it's got that going for it. :-0 toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's like trying to find the other side of the earth by walking East. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's like a toomit trying to get out of self and Self... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Toomit... heheheh ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toomit are just perfectly stupid..... > > > > > > > > without knowing anything about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: should be Toomits... > > > > > > some of them name themself " Dan " ....etc > > > > > > > > > > > > Marco strikes again. > > > > How awesome is his repartee. > > > > Not. > > > > > > - D - > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. It's silly to suggest that all repartee is equal. The idea that there is some Awareness doing everything isn't tenable, in my opinion - it's just another version of an imaginary separable entity - just on a " really big " scale. If you can't differentiate between self-centered childish behavior, and adult conversation, then I'm not sure what to tell you to clear that up for you. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > ~A > Nonsense. There is no " Awareness " doing everything. That's purely make-believe fantasy and projection. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > > > ~A > > > > Nonsense. > > There is no " Awareness " doing everything. > > That's purely make-believe fantasy and projection. > > > - D - > Yes Dan, true, And if you do the next step seeing how awareness is created by the brain yo will see that awareness does not exist: The firing of memory cells within the neuronal netweork is what we experience as awareness. To use a metaphor for that firing of memory cells one could say that awareness (or consciousness) is a flow of contents of those atcivated memory cells and that flow we call awareness. But awareness is neither a function nor a state. It is just millions of 'sparkles' happening in the neuronal network. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 15, 2009 - wwoehr Nisargadatta Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:54 PM Re: It's LIke...... Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one > > > 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > > > ~A > > > > Nonsense. > > There is no " Awareness " doing everything. > > That's purely make-believe fantasy and projection. > > > - D - > Yes Dan, true, And if you do the next step seeing how awareness is created by the brain you will see that awareness does not exis: The firing of memory cells within the neuronal netweork is what we experience as awareness. To use a metaphor for that firing of memory cells one could say that awareness (or consciousness) is a flow of contents of atcivated memory cells which we call awareness. But awareness is nither a function nor a state. It is just millions of 'sparkeles' happening in the neuronal network. Werner And the brain, the brain cels, the firing..... are all not awareness because they are the source of awareness. Which is the next step werner? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:54 PM > Re: It's LIke...... > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one > > > > 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > There is no " Awareness " doing everything. > > > > That's purely make-believe fantasy and projection. > > > > > > - D - Nonsense Dan. I suppose awareness doesn't type on a keyboard, read the screen or gather its *thoughts*. Call it nothing call it everything, including make-believe fantasy and projection, but you can't escape its reality, even if it seems arbitrary and ephemeral. ~A > > > > Yes Dan, true, > > And if you do the next step seeing how awareness is created by the brain you > will see that awareness does not exis: > > The firing of memory cells within the neuronal netweork is what we > experience as awareness. > > To use a metaphor for that firing of memory cells one could say that > awareness (or consciousness) is a flow of contents of atcivated memory cells > which we call awareness. But awareness is nither a function nor a state. It > is just millions of 'sparkeles' happening in the neuronal network. > > Werner > > And the brain, the brain cels, the firing..... are all not awareness because > they are the source of awareness. Which is the next step werner? > -geo- > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:54 PM > Re: It's LIke...... > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one > > > > 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > There is no " Awareness " doing everything. > > > > That's purely make-believe fantasy and projection. > > > > > > - D - > > > > Yes Dan, true, > > And if you do the next step seeing how awareness is created by the brain you > will see that awareness does not exis: > > The firing of memory cells within the neuronal netweork is what we > experience as awareness. > > To use a metaphor for that firing of memory cells one could say that > awareness (or consciousness) is a flow of contents of atcivated memory cells > which we call awareness. But awareness is nither a function nor a state. It > is just millions of 'sparkeles' happening in the neuronal network. > > Werner > > And the brain, the brain cels, the firing..... are all not awareness because > they are the source of awareness. Which is the next step werner? > -geo- > Geo, I would be happy to answer your question as long as you are really and seriously interested. But as long you are only interest is to find some faults in what is written then you are just a fault-finder but not a companion one could walk together with and share the adventures of the walk. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 15, 2009 - wwoehr Nisargadatta Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:25 PM Re: It's LIke...... Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:54 PM > Re: It's LIke...... > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one > > > > 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > There is no " Awareness " doing everything. > > > > That's purely make-believe fantasy and projection. > > > > > > - D - > > > > Yes Dan, true, > > And if you do the next step seeing how awareness is created by the brain > you > will see that awareness does not exis: > > The firing of memory cells within the neuronal netweork is what we > experience as awareness. > > To use a metaphor for that firing of memory cells one could say that > awareness (or consciousness) is a flow of contents of atcivated memory > cells > which we call awareness. But awareness is nither a function nor a state. > It > is just millions of 'sparkeles' happening in the neuronal network. > > Werner > > And the brain, the brain cels, the firing..... are all not awareness > because > they are the source of awareness. Which is the next step werner? > -geo- > Geo, I would be happy to answer your question as long as you are really and seriously interested. But as long you are only interest is to find some faults in what is written then you are just a fault-finder but not a companion one could walk together with and share the adventures of the walk. Werner If the brain cells are the source of awareness or consciousness for the case...what is it that is aware off brain cells? If all things are perceptualy constructed in a brain, what is the nature of the brain that is constructing consciousness? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > It's silly to suggest that all repartee is equal. All repartee is equally repartee, eh? > The idea that there is some Awareness doing everything isn't tenable, > in my opinion - it's just another version of an imaginary separable > entity - just on a " really big " scale. > > If you can't differentiate between self-centered childish behavior, > and adult conversation, then I'm not sure what to tell you to clear > that up for you. > > > - D - I don't need an " adult conversationalist " to clear up my views, that much is for sure ;-). So, you can stay unsure about what to do, if ya like. Or you can stand on your head and spit wooden nickels, or sumthin... that'd be interesting to see ;-). Cheers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > > > ~A > > > > Nonsense. > > There is no " Awareness " doing everything. > > That's purely make-believe fantasy and projection. > > > - D - Well, then, " it " is doing everything... 'member? " It " is raining outside, " it " is people-ing, etc., according to Dan-ji. I guess " It " makes more sense to ya than " awareness " , eh? Or is it only when you disapprove of somebody's speech or behavior, that certain words aren't " allowed " ? When we're all cheerful and stuff, is the word " awareness " OK? :-p. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:14 PM Re: It's LIke...... Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one > > > 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > > > ~A > > > > Nonsense. > > There is no " Awareness " doing everything. > > That's purely make-believe fantasy and projection. > > > - D - Well, then, " it " is doing everything... 'member? " It " is raining outside, " it " is people-ing, etc., according to Dan-ji. I guess " It " makes more sense to ya than " awareness " , eh? Or is it only when you disapprove of somebody's speech or behavior, that certain words aren't " allowed " ? When we're all cheerful and stuff, is the word " awareness " OK? :-p. -t- Could be both ways: fact or imagination. Like people saying all is god...lets pray, he loves us. So being-it is a very " particular " perspective :>))) not something BTW, like one among many facts... -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > snippity snippity snap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No 'better' or 'worse' than any other repartee, really. > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to enjoy blabbering, while pretending something/one 'else' exists.... eh? :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness seems to be doing everything, nothing and something else. > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > There is no " Awareness " doing everything. > > > > That's purely make-believe fantasy and projection. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > Yes Dan, true, > > And if you do the next step seeing how awareness is created by the brain yo will see that awareness does not exist: > > The firing of memory cells within the neuronal netweork is what we experience as awareness. > > To use a metaphor for that firing of memory cells one could say that awareness (or consciousness) is a flow of contents of those atcivated memory cells and that flow we call awareness. But awareness is neither a function nor a state. It is just millions of 'sparkles' happening in the neuronal network. > > Werner Werner - I'm aware, it's just that my awareness isn't a " thing " that makes other things happen. How do you know for sure something exists, such as a cell, if you're not aware of it? How do you know for sure what properties a cell has or doesn't have, without being aware? - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
