Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , Edg <edg wrote: > > I like the way you used the terms above. I admit the reason I like it, is that I tend to use these words similarly. It makes sense to me to differentiate a " consciousness " of the past, that involves contents, that is from a position and has a direction, with " awareness " that is not of the past, has no contents, and has no position or direction. > > It is funny to me to watch people battling over which words to use, and trying to end the use of certain words they don't like: awareness, self, Jesus, whatever. > > As if the problem was a certain word being used. > > Instead, one can read through the words and hear the silent unspoken sound of what is. > > You can call what is anything you like: consciousness, awareness, self, interdependent co-arising, no-self, being, no-being, nothing, everything. > > It doesn't matter what you call that which has no name. There have been hundreds of ways to talk about what can't be said, and there will be hundred more. > > What matters is what some Buddhists call " getting off the wheel. " > > You don't get off the wheel by removing yourself from it. > > You get off of it in the midst of its turning, by being it, and therefore simply being aware, now. > > - Dan - > > Edg: Dan, seems to me that being the wheel is as bad as riding it. The ego may not be present for those who become the wheel, but Identity is still being veiled by Being. Not a sin, but not a non-sin either. Gotta get out of the manifestation business altogether and realize that Being is the perfect reflection -- merely " soul " not unbounded Identity. Gotta jump off the cliff into the abyss of the Absolute. > yes, the whole " wheel " story come to end....by the end of a whole world filled up with illusions which belong to " spiritual clown XY " , " enlightened Guru YX " , " .... " ......etc etc ....it's called delusion it's very simple... and no choice about the exit, sooner or later, to all this dumb excuses of whatever ego & world.... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > douglasmitch1963 > Nisargadatta > Monday, September 07, 2009 11:50 AM > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > douglasmitch1963 > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:41 AM > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > douglasmitch1963 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:15 AM > > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I was pondering. " Consciousness at rest " does not carry the > > > > implication > > > > that when the body dies and consciousness " goes to rest " that it will > > > > eventually wake up and manifest again? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > The Absolute (consciousness at rest) is actualizing/manifesting new > > > forms > > > of > > > consciousness all the time. Although this is not reincarnation. It is > > > the > > > incarnation of consciousness. This is consciousness in motion. > > > -doug- > > > > > > The way you put it " absolute " and " consciousness at rest " seem indeed to > > > be > > > the same. > > > Another interesting question....and I am not denying or accepting. What > > > are > > > the basis for the " statement " , or what makes one say, that consciousness > > > at > > > rest will awake again? > > > -geo- > > > > > Geo, are you talking on a personal level when you ask about whether > > consciousness at rest will re-awaken? Consciousness is impersonal whether > > at > > rest or in motion. If you wonder if consciousness at rest will reawaken, > > that is its apparent nature...just observe the new conscious forms > > appearing > > all the time. This is the lila of consciousness. Of course in reality > > there > > is neither creation nor destruction. It's all an illusion. > > -doug- > > > > Doug, in this particular case it doesn't really matter if personality > > is... > > or not. It is impersonal, of course. The questioning refers to ANY kind of > > manifestation. Follow: suddenly consciousness at rest stirs and the world > > is > > born through the senses - the human senses in our particular case. This > > human world involves all the past, all of the so called history, time, > > space. The fact that other kinds of consciousness are arising and > > dissolving > > also belong to the history of this one world and will dissolve with it, > > belongs to the time that is only part of this one world (as all other > > things > > in it) that was born with this one body/mind. The question is then....what > > is the basis for one to say that some world will be manifested at all when > > this body/consciousness kicks. Again...I am not saying yes or no....but > > investigating something....perhaps at the bottom... > > -geo- > > > Geo, if by body/mind you mean the universe as the impersonal body/mind, then > if this body/mind goes to rest there is no knowing whether consciousness > will again stir/awaken as a new body/mind (universe). If by body/mind you > mean a human person then you are speaking from the personal level and yes > consciousness then does APPARENTLY (to the human senses) manifest new > body/minds all the time. I hope this clarifies terms used. :-) > -doug- > > I am not sure we can clarify this issue definitely. If we consider that > Ramesh was not talking about a personal consciousness, and as you say in > that case there is no way to know whether it will awake again...calling it > " consciousness at rest " is a bit strange because the word consciousness > (among an infinite number of possible names) is still there. So the question > stands: is it not implied that it will stir again? And....would consider > that possibility be a delusion? Or not... > -geo- > Geo, the reason that Ramesh uses the concept " consciousness at rest " to describe the Absolute (another concept) is that all there is, is consciousness, whether at rest or in motion. Perhaps you should ask him why he chooses to use consciousness at rest instead of some other concept...geesh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 - douglasmitch1963 Nisargadatta Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:13 AM Re: Consciousness at rest Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > douglasmitch1963 > Nisargadatta > Monday, September 07, 2009 11:50 AM > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > douglasmitch1963 > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:41 AM > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > douglasmitch1963 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:15 AM > > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I was pondering. " Consciousness at rest " does not carry the > > > > implication > > > > that when the body dies and consciousness " goes to rest " that it > > > > will > > > > eventually wake up and manifest again? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > The Absolute (consciousness at rest) is actualizing/manifesting new > > > forms > > > of > > > consciousness all the time. Although this is not reincarnation. It is > > > the > > > incarnation of consciousness. This is consciousness in motion. > > > -doug- > > > > > > The way you put it " absolute " and " consciousness at rest " seem indeed > > > to > > > be > > > the same. > > > Another interesting question....and I am not denying or accepting. > > > What > > > are > > > the basis for the " statement " , or what makes one say, that > > > consciousness > > > at > > > rest will awake again? > > > -geo- > > > > > Geo, are you talking on a personal level when you ask about whether > > consciousness at rest will re-awaken? Consciousness is impersonal > > whether > > at > > rest or in motion. If you wonder if consciousness at rest will reawaken, > > that is its apparent nature...just observe the new conscious forms > > appearing > > all the time. This is the lila of consciousness. Of course in reality > > there > > is neither creation nor destruction. It's all an illusion. > > -doug- > > > > Doug, in this particular case it doesn't really matter if personality > > is... > > or not. It is impersonal, of course. The questioning refers to ANY kind > > of > > manifestation. Follow: suddenly consciousness at rest stirs and the > > world > > is > > born through the senses - the human senses in our particular case. This > > human world involves all the past, all of the so called history, time, > > space. The fact that other kinds of consciousness are arising and > > dissolving > > also belong to the history of this one world and will dissolve with it, > > belongs to the time that is only part of this one world (as all other > > things > > in it) that was born with this one body/mind. The question is > > then....what > > is the basis for one to say that some world will be manifested at all > > when > > this body/consciousness kicks. Again...I am not saying yes or no....but > > investigating something....perhaps at the bottom... > > -geo- > > > Geo, if by body/mind you mean the universe as the impersonal body/mind, > then > if this body/mind goes to rest there is no knowing whether consciousness > will again stir/awaken as a new body/mind (universe). If by body/mind you > mean a human person then you are speaking from the personal level and yes > consciousness then does APPARENTLY (to the human senses) manifest new > body/minds all the time. I hope this clarifies terms used. :-) > -doug- > > I am not sure we can clarify this issue definitely. If we consider that > Ramesh was not talking about a personal consciousness, and as you say in > that case there is no way to know whether it will awake again...calling it > " consciousness at rest " is a bit strange because the word consciousness > (among an infinite number of possible names) is still there. So the > question > stands: is it not implied that it will stir again? And....would consider > that possibility be a delusion? Or not... > -geo- > Geo, the reason that Ramesh uses the concept " consciousness at rest " to describe the Absolute (another concept) is that all there is, is consciousness, whether at rest or in motion. Perhaps you should ask him why he chooses to use consciousness at rest instead of some other concept...geesh! -doug- Geesh? Maybe you feel this is just about nomeclture, to find some identical name for IT (what a joke). No. Where we not considering the depth, significance - if any, of the question " will consciousness stir again when the body kicks? " Sorry for having disturbed you. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > douglasmitch1963 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:13 AM > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > douglasmitch1963 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, September 07, 2009 11:50 AM > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > douglasmitch1963 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:41 AM > > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > douglasmitch1963 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:15 AM > > > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I was pondering. " Consciousness at rest " does not carry the > > > > > implication > > > > > that when the body dies and consciousness " goes to rest " that it > > > > > will > > > > > eventually wake up and manifest again? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > The Absolute (consciousness at rest) is actualizing/manifesting new > > > > forms > > > > of > > > > consciousness all the time. Although this is not reincarnation. It is > > > > the > > > > incarnation of consciousness. This is consciousness in motion. > > > > -doug- > > > > > > > > The way you put it " absolute " and " consciousness at rest " seem indeed > > > > to > > > > be > > > > the same. > > > > Another interesting question....and I am not denying or accepting. > > > > What > > > > are > > > > the basis for the " statement " , or what makes one say, that > > > > consciousness > > > > at > > > > rest will awake again? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Geo, are you talking on a personal level when you ask about whether > > > consciousness at rest will re-awaken? Consciousness is impersonal > > > whether > > > at > > > rest or in motion. If you wonder if consciousness at rest will reawaken, > > > that is its apparent nature...just observe the new conscious forms > > > appearing > > > all the time. This is the lila of consciousness. Of course in reality > > > there > > > is neither creation nor destruction. It's all an illusion. > > > -doug- > > > > > > Doug, in this particular case it doesn't really matter if personality > > > is... > > > or not. It is impersonal, of course. The questioning refers to ANY kind > > > of > > > manifestation. Follow: suddenly consciousness at rest stirs and the > > > world > > > is > > > born through the senses - the human senses in our particular case. This > > > human world involves all the past, all of the so called history, time, > > > space. The fact that other kinds of consciousness are arising and > > > dissolving > > > also belong to the history of this one world and will dissolve with it, > > > belongs to the time that is only part of this one world (as all other > > > things > > > in it) that was born with this one body/mind. The question is > > > then....what > > > is the basis for one to say that some world will be manifested at all > > > when > > > this body/consciousness kicks. Again...I am not saying yes or no....but > > > investigating something....perhaps at the bottom... > > > -geo- > > > > > Geo, if by body/mind you mean the universe as the impersonal body/mind, > > then > > if this body/mind goes to rest there is no knowing whether consciousness > > will again stir/awaken as a new body/mind (universe). If by body/mind you > > mean a human person then you are speaking from the personal level and yes > > consciousness then does APPARENTLY (to the human senses) manifest new > > body/minds all the time. I hope this clarifies terms used. :-) > > -doug- > > > > I am not sure we can clarify this issue definitely. If we consider that > > Ramesh was not talking about a personal consciousness, and as you say in > > that case there is no way to know whether it will awake again...calling it > > " consciousness at rest " is a bit strange because the word consciousness > > (among an infinite number of possible names) is still there. So the > > question > > stands: is it not implied that it will stir again? And....would consider > > that possibility be a delusion? Or not... > > -geo- > > > Geo, the reason that Ramesh uses the concept " consciousness at rest " to > describe the Absolute (another concept) is that all there is, is > consciousness, whether at rest or in motion. Perhaps you should ask him why > he chooses to use consciousness at rest instead of some other > concept...geesh! > -doug- > > Geesh? > Maybe you feel this is just about nomeclture, to find some identical name > for IT (what a joke). No. Where we not considering the depth, > significance - if any, of the question " will consciousness stir again when > the body kicks? " Sorry for having disturbed you. > -geo- > Geo, sorry for the short patience...one of those mornings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 - douglasmitch1963 Nisargadatta Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:25 PM Re: Consciousness at rest Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > douglasmitch1963 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:13 AM > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > douglasmitch1963 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, September 07, 2009 11:50 AM > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > douglasmitch1963 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:41 AM > > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > douglasmitch1963 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:15 AM > > > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I was pondering. " Consciousness at rest " does not carry the > > > > > implication > > > > > that when the body dies and consciousness " goes to rest " that it > > > > > will > > > > > eventually wake up and manifest again? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > The Absolute (consciousness at rest) is actualizing/manifesting new > > > > forms > > > > of > > > > consciousness all the time. Although this is not reincarnation. It > > > > is > > > > the > > > > incarnation of consciousness. This is consciousness in motion. > > > > -doug- > > > > > > > > The way you put it " absolute " and " consciousness at rest " seem > > > > indeed > > > > to > > > > be > > > > the same. > > > > Another interesting question....and I am not denying or accepting. > > > > What > > > > are > > > > the basis for the " statement " , or what makes one say, that > > > > consciousness > > > > at > > > > rest will awake again? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Geo, are you talking on a personal level when you ask about whether > > > consciousness at rest will re-awaken? Consciousness is impersonal > > > whether > > > at > > > rest or in motion. If you wonder if consciousness at rest will > > > reawaken, > > > that is its apparent nature...just observe the new conscious forms > > > appearing > > > all the time. This is the lila of consciousness. Of course in reality > > > there > > > is neither creation nor destruction. It's all an illusion. > > > -doug- > > > > > > Doug, in this particular case it doesn't really matter if personality > > > is... > > > or not. It is impersonal, of course. The questioning refers to ANY > > > kind > > > of > > > manifestation. Follow: suddenly consciousness at rest stirs and the > > > world > > > is > > > born through the senses - the human senses in our particular case. > > > This > > > human world involves all the past, all of the so called history, time, > > > space. The fact that other kinds of consciousness are arising and > > > dissolving > > > also belong to the history of this one world and will dissolve with > > > it, > > > belongs to the time that is only part of this one world (as all other > > > things > > > in it) that was born with this one body/mind. The question is > > > then....what > > > is the basis for one to say that some world will be manifested at all > > > when > > > this body/consciousness kicks. Again...I am not saying yes or > > > no....but > > > investigating something....perhaps at the bottom... > > > -geo- > > > > > Geo, if by body/mind you mean the universe as the impersonal body/mind, > > then > > if this body/mind goes to rest there is no knowing whether consciousness > > will again stir/awaken as a new body/mind (universe). If by body/mind > > you > > mean a human person then you are speaking from the personal level and > > yes > > consciousness then does APPARENTLY (to the human senses) manifest new > > body/minds all the time. I hope this clarifies terms used. :-) > > -doug- > > > > I am not sure we can clarify this issue definitely. If we consider that > > Ramesh was not talking about a personal consciousness, and as you say in > > that case there is no way to know whether it will awake again...calling > > it > > " consciousness at rest " is a bit strange because the word consciousness > > (among an infinite number of possible names) is still there. So the > > question > > stands: is it not implied that it will stir again? And....would consider > > that possibility be a delusion? Or not... > > -geo- > > > Geo, the reason that Ramesh uses the concept " consciousness at rest " to > describe the Absolute (another concept) is that all there is, is > consciousness, whether at rest or in motion. Perhaps you should ask him > why > he chooses to use consciousness at rest instead of some other > concept...geesh! > -doug- > > Geesh? > Maybe you feel this is just about nomeclture, to find some identical name > for IT (what a joke). No. Where we not considering the depth, > significance - if any, of the question " will consciousness stir again when > the body kicks? " Sorry for having disturbed you. > -geo- > Geo, sorry for the short patience...one of those mornings. -doug- No problem. Taking the lead to make a turn in the conversation. Why do we fall asleep? What does it mean? I feel it is a kind of focusing of the mind...related to concerns. Our concerns are the guidelines of our life. Is it that once we understand that consciousness IS awareness patterning, is just its waves, and that the mind can not do anything about it...help it...observe it..nothing....perhaps then it remains quiet. And that is awakening. Just some thoughts.... -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > I feel it is a kind of focusing of the mind...related to concerns. Our > concerns are the guidelines of our life. Is it that once we understand that > consciousness IS awareness patterning, is just its waves, and that the mind > can not do anything about it...help it...observe it..nothing....perhaps then > it remains quiet. And that is awakening. Just some thoughts.... > -geo- Awakening is just your " other " half, what you take to be outside you, coming to be a part of you, to be 'inside' you as well. That is the end of being a center, as there's no periphery. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 - fewtch Nisargadatta Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:52 PM Re: Consciousness at rest Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > I feel it is a kind of focusing of the mind...related to concerns. Our > concerns are the guidelines of our life. Is it that once we understand > that > consciousness IS awareness patterning, is just its waves, and that the > mind > can not do anything about it...help it...observe it..nothing....perhaps > then > it remains quiet. And that is awakening. Just some thoughts.... > -geo- Awakening is just your " other " half, what you take to be outside you, coming to be a part of you, to be 'inside' you as well. That is the end of being a center, as there's no periphery. -t- Yes. I just had an insight into something. The focusing of perception is unawareness. To focus perception is to " jump outside " and mind is not in touch with awareness. This is sleep. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > fewtch > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:52 PM > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > I feel it is a kind of focusing of the mind...related to concerns. Our > > concerns are the guidelines of our life. Is it that once we understand > > that > > consciousness IS awareness patterning, is just its waves, and that the > > mind > > can not do anything about it...help it...observe it..nothing....perhaps > > then > > it remains quiet. And that is awakening. Just some thoughts.... > > -geo- > > Awakening is just your " other " half, what you take to be outside you, coming > to be a part of you, to be 'inside' you as well. That is the end of being a > center, as there's no periphery. > -t- > > Yes. I just had an insight into something. The focusing of perception is > unawareness. To focus perception is to " jump outside " and mind is not in > touch with awareness. This is sleep. > -geo- I'd agree with that... a 'focus' is a sort of defensive reaction, like hearing a car backfire and suddenly focusing on it. It's a " protect the body " type reaction, thus defining the body as a center and the sound (in this example) as something to be defended against. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 - fewtch Nisargadatta Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:16 PM Re: Consciousness at rest Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > fewtch > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:52 PM > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > I feel it is a kind of focusing of the mind...related to concerns. Our > > concerns are the guidelines of our life. Is it that once we understand > > that > > consciousness IS awareness patterning, is just its waves, and that the > > mind > > can not do anything about it...help it...observe it..nothing....perhaps > > then > > it remains quiet. And that is awakening. Just some thoughts.... > > -geo- > > Awakening is just your " other " half, what you take to be outside you, > coming > to be a part of you, to be 'inside' you as well. That is the end of being > a > center, as there's no periphery. > -t- > > Yes. I just had an insight into something. The focusing of perception is > unawareness. To focus perception is to " jump outside " and mind is not in > touch with awareness. This is sleep. > -geo- I'd agree with that... a 'focus' is a sort of defensive reaction, like hearing a car backfire and suddenly focusing on it. It's a " protect the body " type reaction, thus defining the body as a center and the sound (in this example) as something to be defended against. -t- So with the lack of drive to focus perception there is a relaxation of the mind..which is the same as getting out of the way...and re-ligion happens. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > douglasmitch1963 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:15 AM > > > > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I was pondering. " Consciousness at rest " does not carry the implication > > > > > > that when the body dies and consciousness " goes to rest " that it will > > > > > > eventually wake up and manifest again? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > The Absolute (consciousness at rest) is actualizing/manifesting new forms of > > > > > consciousness all the time. Although this is not reincarnation. It is the > > > > > incarnation of consciousness. This is consciousness in motion. > > > > > -doug- > > > > > > > > > > The way you put it " absolute " and " consciousness at rest " seem indeed to be > > > > > the same. > > > > > Another interesting question....and I am not denying or accepting. What are > > > > > the basis for the " statement " , or what makes one say, that consciousness at > > > > > rest will awake again? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > Geo, are you talking on a personal level when you ask about whether consciousness at rest will re-awaken? Consciousness is impersonal whether at rest or in motion. If you wonder if consciousness at rest will reawaken, that is its apparent nature...just observe the new conscious forms appearing all the time. This is the lila of consciousness. Of course in reality there is neither creation nor destruction. It's all an illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > consciousness is personal > > > > > > awareness is impersonal > > > > > > ... > > > > > > to take consciousness for awareness....to mix up both....is of/by illusion > > > > > > ... > > > > > > awareness isn't illusion > > > > > > ... > > > > > > consciousness is necessary to be in/by/within/of illusion > > > ..related to an illusory " somebody " .... " you " ... " me " ....etc... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > awareness is necessary....to wake up... > > > again...and again.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > I like the way you used the terms above. I admit the reason I like it, is that I tend to use these words similarly. It makes sense to me to differentiate a " consciousness " of the past, that involves contents, that is from a position and has a direction, with " awareness " that is not of the past, has no contents, and has no position or direction. > > > > It is funny to me to watch people battling over which words to use, and trying to end the use of certain words they don't like: awareness, self, Jesus, whatever. > > > > As if the problem was a certain word being used. > > > > Instead, one can read through the words and hear the silent unspoken sound of what is. > > > > You can call what is anything you like: consciousness, awareness, self, interdependent co-arising, no-self, being, no-being, nothing, everything. > > > > It doesn't matter what you call that which has no name. There have been hundreds of ways to talk about what can't be said, and there will be hundred more. > > > > What matters is what some Buddhists call " getting off the wheel. " > > > > You don't get off the wheel by removing yourself from it. > > > > You get off of it in the midst of its turning, by being it, and therefore simply being aware, now. > > > > - Dan - > > > > yes, Dan > > > true, it isn't about words.... > > yes, it's necessary to make the difference between " consciousness " and " awareness " (consciousness at rest)....or whatever the used words in order to talk about it > > > ... > > " You don't get off the wheel by removing yourself from it. > > > > You get off of it in the midst of its turning, by being it, and therefore simply being aware, now. " > > > if there weren't this fictions " you " , " me " ..... " we " couldn't talk about awareness, yes > > to talk about awareness is to talk about our common real Self > > to talk about awareness is to leave the fictions of " you " , " me " .... " spiritual clown XY " .... " enlightened entity " ....etc.....etc.....in order to Be, now, here > > peace > > > Marc Yes, I agree. And, when awareness is " full " and " empty " ... There is no commonality of Self, nothing joined by it or in it, and therefore no sense of Self to it ... just " what is. " - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > fewtch > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:16 PM > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > fewtch > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:52 PM > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > I feel it is a kind of focusing of the mind...related to concerns. Our > > > concerns are the guidelines of our life. Is it that once we understand > > > that > > > consciousness IS awareness patterning, is just its waves, and that the > > > mind > > > can not do anything about it...help it...observe it..nothing....perhaps > > > then > > > it remains quiet. And that is awakening. Just some thoughts.... > > > -geo- > > > > Awakening is just your " other " half, what you take to be outside you, > > coming > > to be a part of you, to be 'inside' you as well. That is the end of being > > a > > center, as there's no periphery. > > -t- > > > > Yes. I just had an insight into something. The focusing of perception is > > unawareness. To focus perception is to " jump outside " and mind is not in > > touch with awareness. This is sleep. > > -geo- > > I'd agree with that... a 'focus' is a sort of defensive reaction, like > hearing a car backfire and suddenly focusing on it. It's a " protect the > body " type reaction, thus defining the body as a center and the sound (in > this example) as something to be defended against. > -t- > > So with the lack of drive to focus perception there is a relaxation of the > mind..which is the same as getting out of the way...and re-ligion happens. > -geo- One can only 'know directly'... there's no preparation via words, which don't do anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > Yes, I agree. > > And, when awareness is " full " and " empty " ... > > There is no commonality of Self, nothing joined by it or in it, > > and therefore no sense of Self to it ... > > just " what is. " > > > - D - Neither a commonality, nor a difference. Can't be grokked by 'the mind', and really can't be understood in a social context. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 - fewtch Nisargadatta Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:39 PM Re: Consciousness at rest Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > fewtch > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:16 PM > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > fewtch > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:52 PM > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > I feel it is a kind of focusing of the mind...related to concerns. Our > > > concerns are the guidelines of our life. Is it that once we understand > > > that > > > consciousness IS awareness patterning, is just its waves, and that the > > > mind > > > can not do anything about it...help it...observe > > > it..nothing....perhaps > > > then > > > it remains quiet. And that is awakening. Just some thoughts.... > > > -geo- > > > > Awakening is just your " other " half, what you take to be outside you, > > coming > > to be a part of you, to be 'inside' you as well. That is the end of > > being > > a > > center, as there's no periphery. > > -t- > > > > Yes. I just had an insight into something. The focusing of perception is > > unawareness. To focus perception is to " jump outside " and mind is not in > > touch with awareness. This is sleep. > > -geo- > > I'd agree with that... a 'focus' is a sort of defensive reaction, like > hearing a car backfire and suddenly focusing on it. It's a " protect the > body " type reaction, thus defining the body as a center and the sound (in > this example) as something to be defended against. > -t- > > So with the lack of drive to focus perception there is a relaxation of the > mind..which is the same as getting out of the way...and re-ligion happens. > -geo- One can only 'know directly'... there's no preparation via words, which don't do anything. -t- In the other hand there is no need to exclude words from what is. This consciousness is a co-arising of things and events - none is more important then another. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > fewtch > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:39 PM > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > fewtch > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:16 PM > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > fewtch > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:52 PM > > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I feel it is a kind of focusing of the mind...related to concerns. Our > > > > concerns are the guidelines of our life. Is it that once we understand > > > > that > > > > consciousness IS awareness patterning, is just its waves, and that the > > > > mind > > > > can not do anything about it...help it...observe > > > > it..nothing....perhaps > > > > then > > > > it remains quiet. And that is awakening. Just some thoughts.... > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Awakening is just your " other " half, what you take to be outside you, > > > coming > > > to be a part of you, to be 'inside' you as well. That is the end of > > > being > > > a > > > center, as there's no periphery. > > > -t- > > > > > > Yes. I just had an insight into something. The focusing of perception is > > > unawareness. To focus perception is to " jump outside " and mind is not in > > > touch with awareness. This is sleep. > > > -geo- > > > > I'd agree with that... a 'focus' is a sort of defensive reaction, like > > hearing a car backfire and suddenly focusing on it. It's a " protect the > > body " type reaction, thus defining the body as a center and the sound (in > > this example) as something to be defended against. > > -t- > > > > So with the lack of drive to focus perception there is a relaxation of the > > mind..which is the same as getting out of the way...and re-ligion happens. > > -geo- > > One can only 'know directly'... there's no preparation via words, which > don't do anything. > -t- > > In the other hand there is no need to exclude words from what is. This > consciousness is a co-arising of things and events - none is more important > then another. > -geo- Yes, words don't need to be excluded. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 - fewtch Nisargadatta Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:49 PM Re: Consciousness at rest Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > fewtch > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:39 PM > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > fewtch > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:16 PM > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > fewtch > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:52 PM > > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I feel it is a kind of focusing of the mind...related to concerns. > > > > Our > > > > concerns are the guidelines of our life. Is it that once we > > > > understand > > > > that > > > > consciousness IS awareness patterning, is just its waves, and that > > > > the > > > > mind > > > > can not do anything about it...help it...observe > > > > it..nothing....perhaps > > > > then > > > > it remains quiet. And that is awakening. Just some thoughts.... > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Awakening is just your " other " half, what you take to be outside you, > > > coming > > > to be a part of you, to be 'inside' you as well. That is the end of > > > being > > > a > > > center, as there's no periphery. > > > -t- > > > > > > Yes. I just had an insight into something. The focusing of perception > > > is > > > unawareness. To focus perception is to " jump outside " and mind is not > > > in > > > touch with awareness. This is sleep. > > > -geo- > > > > I'd agree with that... a 'focus' is a sort of defensive reaction, like > > hearing a car backfire and suddenly focusing on it. It's a " protect the > > body " type reaction, thus defining the body as a center and the sound > > (in > > this example) as something to be defended against. > > -t- > > > > So with the lack of drive to focus perception there is a relaxation of > > the > > mind..which is the same as getting out of the way...and re-ligion > > happens. > > -geo- > > One can only 'know directly'... there's no preparation via words, which > don't do anything. > -t- > > In the other hand there is no need to exclude words from what is. This > consciousness is a co-arising of things and events - none is more > important > then another. > -geo- Yes, words don't need to be excluded. -t- Nothing excluded, nothing included, nothing more or less important...and if it happens that something more important arises - that is not important either. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > douglasmitch1963 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:25 PM > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > Geo, the reason that Ramesh uses the concept " consciousness at rest " to > > describe the Absolute (another concept) is that all there is, is > > consciousness, whether at rest or in motion. Perhaps you should ask him > > why > > he chooses to use consciousness at rest instead of some other > > concept...geesh! > > -doug- > > > > Geesh? > > Maybe you feel this is just about nomeclture, to find some identical name > > for IT (what a joke). No. Where we not considering the depth, > > significance - if any, of the question " will consciousness stir again when > > the body kicks? " Sorry for having disturbed you. > > -geo- > > > Geo, sorry for the short patience...one of those mornings. > -doug- > > No problem. Taking the lead to make a turn in the conversation. Why do we > fall asleep? What does it mean? > I feel it is a kind of focusing of the mind...related to concerns. Our > concerns are the guidelines of our life. Is it that once we understand that > consciousness IS awareness patterning, is just its waves, and that the mind > can not do anything about it...help it...observe it..nothing....perhaps then > it remains quiet. And that is awakening. Just some thoughts.... > -geo- Geo - Consider this: Energy is moving always. Not as separate pieces, but as undivided movement, in which the movement and the space of the movement are one. This movement is through and as everything, including the body-mind. This is what " awareness " is. The body-mind can't catch it, conceptualize it, sense it, feel it, embody it, or be it in any way. And yet, there is nothing but this. It constitutes the body-mind system along with everything else, moment to moment. It has no duration. It has no abiding place, no self, no outside or others. The reason I am saying this is that there is nothing for " consciousness " to learn about itself. There is nothing consciousness needs to know about what happens when it sleeps or wakes up, or what it is made of or what it does or doesn't do. Does this make sense? Consciousness, whatever you construe that to be, is just an idea you have. The actuality of knowing (of consciousness, awareness, subjectivity, comprehension) ... Is the energy itself. It already is knowing. Without exception, without question, without needing to know anything about anything. That is, no " objective " knowledge is involved. No objective knowledge about what consciousness is or does, or about anything else. Objective knowledge is a fiction. A worldly fiction based on accumulation and manipulation of things in the world. Which is for selves. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > I feel it is a kind of focusing of the mind...related to concerns. Our > > concerns are the guidelines of our life. Is it that once we understand that > > consciousness IS awareness patterning, is just its waves, and that the mind > > can not do anything about it...help it...observe it..nothing....perhaps then > > it remains quiet. And that is awakening. Just some thoughts.... > > -geo- > > Awakening is just your " other " half, what you take to be outside you, coming to be a part of you, to be 'inside' you as well. That is the end of being a center, as there's no periphery. Very nice. What is outside of you is inside. What is inside, is the outside. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > > One can only 'know directly'... there's no preparation via words, which don't do anything. True, as there is no time involved, no duration. Therefore, no time to process word meanings. No time to " de-focus. " No time to " focus. " No time to compare focusing and de-focusing. Just " what is, as is. " However that is. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > I feel it is a kind of focusing of the mind...related to concerns. Our > > > concerns are the guidelines of our life. Is it that once we understand that > > > consciousness IS awareness patterning, is just its waves, and that the mind > > > can not do anything about it...help it...observe it..nothing....perhaps then > > > it remains quiet. And that is awakening. Just some thoughts.... > > > -geo- > > > > Awakening is just your " other " half, what you take to be outside you, coming to be a part of you, to be 'inside' you as well. That is the end of being a center, as there's no periphery. > > Very nice. > > What is outside of you is inside. > > What is inside, is the outside. > > > - D - Well, really there's no inside or outside... but one could look at it that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > fewtch > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:39 PM > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > fewtch > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:16 PM > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > fewtch > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:52 PM > > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I feel it is a kind of focusing of the mind...related to concerns. Our > > > > concerns are the guidelines of our life. Is it that once we understand > > > > that > > > > consciousness IS awareness patterning, is just its waves, and that the > > > > mind > > > > can not do anything about it...help it...observe > > > > it..nothing....perhaps > > > > then > > > > it remains quiet. And that is awakening. Just some thoughts.... > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Awakening is just your " other " half, what you take to be outside you, > > > coming > > > to be a part of you, to be 'inside' you as well. That is the end of > > > being > > > a > > > center, as there's no periphery. > > > -t- > > > > > > Yes. I just had an insight into something. The focusing of perception is > > > unawareness. To focus perception is to " jump outside " and mind is not in > > > touch with awareness. This is sleep. > > > -geo- > > > > I'd agree with that... a 'focus' is a sort of defensive reaction, like > > hearing a car backfire and suddenly focusing on it. It's a " protect the > > body " type reaction, thus defining the body as a center and the sound (in > > this example) as something to be defended against. > > -t- > > > > So with the lack of drive to focus perception there is a relaxation of the > > mind..which is the same as getting out of the way...and re-ligion happens. > > -geo- > > One can only 'know directly'... there's no preparation via words, which > don't do anything. > -t- > > In the other hand there is no need to exclude words from what is. This > consciousness is a co-arising of things and events - none is more important > then another. > -geo- And, as this is " immediately so " for you - no word meanings are involved in it co-arising as it is. It is timeless, not premeditated, not depending on any meaning having been established. Whatever word-meanings co-arise are simply an aspect of the co-arising situation. So the word meanings can't possibly refer to the actuality of the co-arising. Including the words " co-arising " or " immediately so " ... lol. -- D -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Yes, words don't need to be excluded. > -t- > > Nothing excluded, nothing included, nothing more or less important...and if > it happens that something more important arises - that is not important > either. > -geo- True. And if it happens that focusing arises, that is not important either. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:42 PM Re: Consciousness at rest Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > douglasmitch1963 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:25 PM > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > Geo, the reason that Ramesh uses the concept " consciousness at rest " to > > describe the Absolute (another concept) is that all there is, is > > consciousness, whether at rest or in motion. Perhaps you should ask him > > why > > he chooses to use consciousness at rest instead of some other > > concept...geesh! > > -doug- > > > > Geesh? > > Maybe you feel this is just about nomeclture, to find some identical > > name > > for IT (what a joke). No. Where we not considering the depth, > > significance - if any, of the question " will consciousness stir again > > when > > the body kicks? " Sorry for having disturbed you. > > -geo- > > > Geo, sorry for the short patience...one of those mornings. > -doug- > > No problem. Taking the lead to make a turn in the conversation. Why do we > fall asleep? What does it mean? > I feel it is a kind of focusing of the mind...related to concerns. Our > concerns are the guidelines of our life. Is it that once we understand > that > consciousness IS awareness patterning, is just its waves, and that the > mind > can not do anything about it...help it...observe it..nothing....perhaps > then > it remains quiet. And that is awakening. Just some thoughts.... > -geo- Geo - Consider this: Energy is moving always. Not as separate pieces, but as undivided movement, in which the movement and the space of the movement are one. This movement is through and as everything, including the body-mind. This is what " awareness " is. The body-mind can't catch it, conceptualize it, sense it, feel it, embody it, or be it in any way. And yet, there is nothing but this. It constitutes the body-mind system along with everything else, moment to moment. It has no duration. It has no abiding place, no self, no outside or others. The reason I am saying this is that there is nothing for " consciousness " to learn about itself. There is nothing consciousness needs to know about what happens when it sleeps or wakes up, or what it is made of or what it does or doesn't do. Does this make sense? -dan- Yes and no. The mind may un-learn its animal instincts that makes perception be focused on things as if " outside " . There is a relatively gradual un-learning process in the brain cells. -geo- Consciousness, whatever you construe that to be, is just an idea you have. The actuality of knowing (of consciousness, awareness, subjectivity, comprehension) ... Is the energy itself. It already is knowing. Without exception, without question, without needing to know anything about anything. That is, no " objective " knowledge is involved. No objective knowledge about what consciousness is or does, or about anything else. Objective knowledge is a fiction. A worldly fiction based on accumulation and manipulation of things in the world. Which is for selves. - D - Yes I understand.....although I dont know what " objective " knowledge you are referring to. Anyway there is no knowledge of any kind involved. Right now there is no impediment for this wholeness. But then suddenly there is.....and its not a big issue at all. Not important. Funny...I keep telling people the same thing you wrote here....it is so, nonetheless sometimes I feel orfan. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 9, 2009 - fewtch Nisargadatta Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:47 PM Re: Consciousness at rest Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > I feel it is a kind of focusing of the mind...related to concerns. Our > > > concerns are the guidelines of our life. Is it that once we understand > > > that > > > consciousness IS awareness patterning, is just its waves, and that the > > > mind > > > can not do anything about it...help it...observe > > > it..nothing....perhaps then > > > it remains quiet. And that is awakening. Just some thoughts.... > > > -geo- > > > > Awakening is just your " other " half, what you take to be outside you, > > coming to be a part of you, to be 'inside' you as well. That is the end > > of being a center, as there's no periphery. > > Very nice. > > What is outside of you is inside. > > What is inside, is the outside. > > > - D - Well, really there's no inside or outside... but one could look at it that way. -t- That is what I wanted to say: what outside and inside? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 9, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:49 PM Re: Consciousness at rest Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > fewtch > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:39 PM > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > fewtch > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:16 PM > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > fewtch > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:52 PM > > > Re: Consciousness at rest > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I feel it is a kind of focusing of the mind...related to concerns. > > > > Our > > > > concerns are the guidelines of our life. Is it that once we > > > > understand > > > > that > > > > consciousness IS awareness patterning, is just its waves, and that > > > > the > > > > mind > > > > can not do anything about it...help it...observe > > > > it..nothing....perhaps > > > > then > > > > it remains quiet. And that is awakening. Just some thoughts.... > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Awakening is just your " other " half, what you take to be outside you, > > > coming > > > to be a part of you, to be 'inside' you as well. That is the end of > > > being > > > a > > > center, as there's no periphery. > > > -t- > > > > > > Yes. I just had an insight into something. The focusing of perception > > > is > > > unawareness. To focus perception is to " jump outside " and mind is not > > > in > > > touch with awareness. This is sleep. > > > -geo- > > > > I'd agree with that... a 'focus' is a sort of defensive reaction, like > > hearing a car backfire and suddenly focusing on it. It's a " protect the > > body " type reaction, thus defining the body as a center and the sound > > (in > > this example) as something to be defended against. > > -t- > > > > So with the lack of drive to focus perception there is a relaxation of > > the > > mind..which is the same as getting out of the way...and re-ligion > > happens. > > -geo- > > One can only 'know directly'... there's no preparation via words, which > don't do anything. > -t- > > In the other hand there is no need to exclude words from what is. This > consciousness is a co-arising of things and events - none is more > important > then another. > -geo- And, as this is " immediately so " for you - no word meanings are involved in it co-arising as it is. It is timeless, not premeditated, not depending on any meaning having been established. Whatever word-meanings co-arise are simply an aspect of the co-arising situation. So the word meanings can't possibly refer to the actuality of the co-arising. Including the words " co-arising " or " immediately so " ... lol. -- D -- Yes...there is no need to think too much about the meaning or not of words (once one has gone into it). They do their job...let them be....like anything else. Sometimes they are very powerfull, other times not at all. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 9, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:51 PM Re: Consciousness at rest Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Yes, words don't need to be excluded. > -t- > > Nothing excluded, nothing included, nothing more or less important...and > if > it happens that something more important arises - that is not important > either. > -geo- True. And if it happens that focusing arises, that is not important either. - D - Yes. Nothing is static. The focusing-unfocusing undergoes its own dinamic dance and may change with impersonal understanding. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
