there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for real.

September 4, 2009

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dennis_travis33

Nisargadatta

Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for real.

without awareness:

the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal entity).....percieve

others of same nature, without knowing about.

with awareness:

the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

Marc

Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there is the

seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed entities, empty

waves of illusion.

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> dennis_travis33

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

> there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for real.

>

> without awareness:

>

> the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal entity).....percieve

> others of same nature, without knowing about.

>

> with awareness:

>

> the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

>

> means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

>

> Marc

>

> Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there is the

> seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed entities, empty

> waves of illusion.

> -geo-

>

Without awareness you won't see anything.

Werner

>

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September 4, 2009

without awareness:

the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal entity).....percieve

others of same nature, without knowing about.

with awareness:

the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

Marc

With awareness there is no imaginary separated entity as a perceiver. What

perceives is the organism through its senses.

-geo-

September 4, 2009

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wwoehr

Nisargadatta

Friday, September 04, 2009 7:40 AM

Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

real.

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> dennis_travis33

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

> there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for real.

>

> without awareness:

>

> the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal entity).....percieve

> others of same nature, without knowing about.

>

> with awareness:

>

> the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

>

> means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

>

> Marc

>

> Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there is the

> seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed entities,

> empty

> waves of illusion.

> -geo-

>

Without awareness you won't see anything.

Werner

There is no such thing as no-awareness

-geo-

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geo

Nisargadatta

Friday, September 04, 2009 7:17 AM

Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

real.

-

dennis_travis33

Nisargadatta

Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for real.

without awareness:

the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal entity).....percieve

others of same nature, without knowing about.

with awareness:

the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

Marc

Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there is the

seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed entities, empty

waves of illusion.

That is how I saw it 10 mints ago. Now I see it like this:

There is awareness of bodies perceived through this one. Some act as if they

had an inner entity.

-geo-

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geo

Nisargadatta

Friday, September 04, 2009 7:44 AM

Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

real.

without awareness:

the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal entity).....percieve

others of same nature, without knowing about.

with awareness:

the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

Marc

With awareness there is no imaginary separated entity as a perceiver. What

perceives is the organism through its senses. And this " perception " is in

fact awareness of this body perceiving.

-geo-

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September 4, 2009

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> without awareness:

>

> the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal entity).....percieve

> others of same nature, without knowing about.

>

> with awareness:

>

> the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

>

> means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

>

> Marc

>

> With awareness there is no imaginary separated entity as a perceiver. What

> perceives is the organism through its senses.

> -geo-

>

this is your consciousness which let you percieve " the organism through its

senses " .....

awareness isn't related anymore to any bodies....except the fact that whatever

bodies....(yours and others) are of pure fiction

Marc

September 4, 2009

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> wwoehr

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, September 04, 2009 7:40 AM

> Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> real.

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > dennis_travis33

> > Nisargadatta

> > Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

> > there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for real.

> >

> > without awareness:

> >

> > the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal entity).....percieve

> > others of same nature, without knowing about.

> >

> > with awareness:

> >

> > the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> > entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

> >

> > means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there is the

> > seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed entities,

> > empty

> > waves of illusion.

> > -geo-

> >

>

> Without awareness you won't see anything.

>

> Werner

>

> There is no such thing as no-awareness

> -geo-

>

> >

again....you talk about consciousness....

true, that there is Nothing when there no-consciousness...

such " Nothingness " is awareness

Marc

September 4, 2009

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> geo

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, September 04, 2009 7:17 AM

> Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> real.

>

> -

> dennis_travis33

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

> there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for real.

>

> without awareness:

>

> the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal entity).....percieve

> others of same nature, without knowing about.

>

> with awareness:

>

> the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

>

> means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

>

> Marc

>

> Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there is the

> seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed entities, empty

> waves of illusion.

>

> That is how I saw it 10 mints ago. Now I see it like this:

> There is awareness of bodies perceived through this one. Some act as if they

> had an inner entity.

> -geo-

>

and again....you talk about consciousness......

there can never be any " awareness OF.... " ....

Marc

September 4, 2009

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dennis_travis33

Nisargadatta

Friday, September 04, 2009 9:28 AM

Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

real.

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> geo

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, September 04, 2009 7:17 AM

> Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> real.

>

> -

> dennis_travis33

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

> there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for real.

>

> without awareness:

>

> the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal entity).....percieve

> others of same nature, without knowing about.

>

> with awareness:

>

> the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

>

> means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

>

> Marc

>

> Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there is the

> seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed entities,

> empty

> waves of illusion.

>

> That is how I saw it 10 mints ago. Now I see it like this:

> There is awareness of bodies perceived through this one. Some act as if

> they

> had an inner entity.

> -geo-

>

and again....you talk about consciousness......

there can never be any " awareness OF.... " ....

Marc

All there is is awareness of. There is awareness of consciousness.

-geo-

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September 4, 2009

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> dennis_travis33

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, September 04, 2009 9:28 AM

> Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> real.

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > geo

> > Nisargadatta

> > Friday, September 04, 2009 7:17 AM

> > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> > real.

> >

> > -

> > dennis_travis33

> > Nisargadatta

> > Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

> > there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for real.

> >

> > without awareness:

> >

> > the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal entity).....percieve

> > others of same nature, without knowing about.

> >

> > with awareness:

> >

> > the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> > entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

> >

> > means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there is the

> > seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed entities,

> > empty

> > waves of illusion.

> >

> > That is how I saw it 10 mints ago. Now I see it like this:

> > There is awareness of bodies perceived through this one. Some act as if

> > they

> > had an inner entity.

> > -geo-

> >

>

> and again....you talk about consciousness......

>

> there can never be any " awareness OF.... " ....

>

> Marc

>

> All there is is awareness of. There is awareness of consciousness.

> -geo-

>

ohhhh.....now you come with this popular statements....like:

" all there is is consciousness.... "

" all there is is awareness of " ....

etc

....

awareness, in spiritual sense....is an empty consciousness

Marc

September 4, 2009

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dennis_travis33

Nisargadatta

Friday, September 04, 2009 9:52 AM

Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

real.

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> dennis_travis33

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, September 04, 2009 9:28 AM

> Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> real.

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > geo

> > Nisargadatta

> > Friday, September 04, 2009 7:17 AM

> > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> > real.

> >

> > -

> > dennis_travis33

> > Nisargadatta

> > Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

> > there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> > real.

> >

> > without awareness:

> >

> > the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> > entity).....percieve

> > others of same nature, without knowing about.

> >

> > with awareness:

> >

> > the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> > entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

> >

> > means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there is the

> > seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed entities,

> > empty

> > waves of illusion.

> >

> > That is how I saw it 10 mints ago. Now I see it like this:

> > There is awareness of bodies perceived through this one. Some act as if

> > they

> > had an inner entity.

> > -geo-

> >

>

> and again....you talk about consciousness......

>

> there can never be any " awareness OF.... " ....

>

> Marc

>

> All there is is awareness of. There is awareness of consciousness.

> -geo-

>

ohhhh.....now you come with this popular statements....like:

" all there is is consciousness.... "

" all there is is awareness of " ....

etc

....

awareness, in spiritual sense....is an empty consciousness

Marc

Usually I try my best to describe what happens here - not other's " there " .

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September 4, 2009

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> dennis_travis33

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, September 04, 2009 9:28 AM

> Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> real.

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > geo

> > Nisargadatta

> > Friday, September 04, 2009 7:17 AM

> > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> > real.

> >

> > -

> > dennis_travis33

> > Nisargadatta

> > Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

> > there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for real.

> >

> > without awareness:

> >

> > the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal entity).....percieve

> > others of same nature, without knowing about.

> >

> > with awareness:

> >

> > the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> > entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

> >

> > means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there is the

> > seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed entities,

> > empty

> > waves of illusion.

> >

> > That is how I saw it 10 mints ago. Now I see it like this:

> > There is awareness of bodies perceived through this one. Some act as if

> > they

> > had an inner entity.

> > -geo-

> >

>

> and again....you talk about consciousness......

>

> there can never be any " awareness OF.... " ....

>

> Marc

>

> All there is is awareness of. There is awareness of consciousness.

> -geo-

>

Geo,

Repeating nonsense from Maharaj like 'there is awareness of consciousness' just

does proof what parrot you are.

Werner

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September 4, 2009

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > dennis_travis33

> > Nisargadatta

> > Friday, September 04, 2009 9:28 AM

> > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> > real.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > geo

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Friday, September 04, 2009 7:17 AM

> > > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> > > real.

> > >

> > > -

> > > dennis_travis33

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

> > > there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for real.

> > >

> > > without awareness:

> > >

> > > the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal entity).....percieve

> > > others of same nature, without knowing about.

> > >

> > > with awareness:

> > >

> > > the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> > > entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

> > >

> > > means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > > Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there is the

> > > seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed entities,

> > > empty

> > > waves of illusion.

> > >

> > > That is how I saw it 10 mints ago. Now I see it like this:

> > > There is awareness of bodies perceived through this one. Some act as if

> > > they

> > > had an inner entity.

> > > -geo-

> > >

> >

> > and again....you talk about consciousness......

> >

> > there can never be any " awareness OF.... " ....

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > All there is is awareness of. There is awareness of consciousness.

> > -geo-

> >

>

> ohhhh.....now you come with this popular statements....like:

>

> " all there is is consciousness.... "

> " all there is is awareness of " ....

> etc

>

> ...

>

> awareness, in spiritual sense....is an empty consciousness

>

> Marc

>

>The Absolute is " consciousness at rest " as Ramesh Balsekar would say.

" Awareness " is a term that Maurice Frydman used when translating Nisargadatta's

talks in " I Am That " . Ramesh says that Maharaj always said that all there is is

consciousness. Ramesh would say that consciousness at rest and consciousness in

motion is the Totality. The original state is consciousness at rest. When the

potential energy of consciousness at rest actualizes then it is consciousness in

motion. " Awareness " is an unnecessary and confusing concept according to Ramesh.

September 4, 2009

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> dennis_travis33

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, September 04, 2009 9:52 AM

> Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> real.

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > dennis_travis33

> > Nisargadatta

> > Friday, September 04, 2009 9:28 AM

> > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> > real.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > geo

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Friday, September 04, 2009 7:17 AM

> > > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> > > real.

> > >

> > > -

> > > dennis_travis33

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

> > > there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> > > real.

> > >

> > > without awareness:

> > >

> > > the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> > > entity).....percieve

> > > others of same nature, without knowing about.

> > >

> > > with awareness:

> > >

> > > the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> > > entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

> > >

> > > means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > > Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there is the

> > > seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed entities,

> > > empty

> > > waves of illusion.

> > >

> > > That is how I saw it 10 mints ago. Now I see it like this:

> > > There is awareness of bodies perceived through this one. Some act as if

> > > they

> > > had an inner entity.

> > > -geo-

> > >

> >

> > and again....you talk about consciousness......

> >

> > there can never be any " awareness OF.... " ....

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > All there is is awareness of. There is awareness of consciousness.

> > -geo-

> >

>

> ohhhh.....now you come with this popular statements....like:

>

> " all there is is consciousness.... "

> " all there is is awareness of " ....

> etc

>

> ...

>

> awareness, in spiritual sense....is an empty consciousness

>

> Marc

>

> Usually I try my best to describe what happens here - not other's " there " .

> -geo-

>

the direct path to real Self....go through yourself...

when there isn't any help ....of whatever kind....necessary to reach/be

yourSelf.......except a simple attention to what Is......to the energy flowing

in & out the body.....that's meditation...

meditation open the path to awareness

Marc

September 4, 2009

Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > dennis_travis33

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Friday, September 04, 2009 9:28 AM

> > > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> > > real.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > geo

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Friday, September 04, 2009 7:17 AM

> > > > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> > > > real.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

> > > > there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

real.

> > > >

> > > > without awareness:

> > > >

> > > > the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

entity).....percieve

> > > > others of same nature, without knowing about.

> > > >

> > > > with awareness:

> > > >

> > > > the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> > > > entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

> > > >

> > > > means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there is the

> > > > seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed entities,

> > > > empty

> > > > waves of illusion.

> > > >

> > > > That is how I saw it 10 mints ago. Now I see it like this:

> > > > There is awareness of bodies perceived through this one. Some act as if

> > > > they

> > > > had an inner entity.

> > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > >

> > > and again....you talk about consciousness......

> > >

> > > there can never be any " awareness OF.... " ....

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > > All there is is awareness of. There is awareness of consciousness.

> > > -geo-

> > >

> >

> > ohhhh.....now you come with this popular statements....like:

> >

> > " all there is is consciousness.... "

> > " all there is is awareness of " ....

> > etc

> >

> > ...

> >

> > awareness, in spiritual sense....is an empty consciousness

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >The Absolute is " consciousness at rest " as Ramesh Balsekar would say.

" Awareness " is a term that Maurice Frydman used when translating Nisargadatta's

talks in " I Am That " . Ramesh says that Maharaj always said that all there is is

consciousness. Ramesh would say that consciousness at rest and consciousness in

motion is the Totality. The original state is consciousness at rest. When the

potential energy of consciousness at rest actualizes then it is consciousness in

motion. " Awareness " is an unnecessary and confusing concept according to Ramesh.

>

Thank you Douglas.

But I am afraid this awareness bull will go on and on. Since I am on this list I

stressed the same as you did dozends and dozends of times without any success.

Werner

September 4, 2009

Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > dennis_travis33

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Friday, September 04, 2009 9:28 AM

> > > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> > > real.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > geo

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Friday, September 04, 2009 7:17 AM

> > > > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> > > > real.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

> > > > there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

real.

> > > >

> > > > without awareness:

> > > >

> > > > the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

entity).....percieve

> > > > others of same nature, without knowing about.

> > > >

> > > > with awareness:

> > > >

> > > > the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> > > > entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

> > > >

> > > > means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there is the

> > > > seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed entities,

> > > > empty

> > > > waves of illusion.

> > > >

> > > > That is how I saw it 10 mints ago. Now I see it like this:

> > > > There is awareness of bodies perceived through this one. Some act as if

> > > > they

> > > > had an inner entity.

> > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > >

> > > and again....you talk about consciousness......

> > >

> > > there can never be any " awareness OF.... " ....

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > > All there is is awareness of. There is awareness of consciousness.

> > > -geo-

> > >

> >

> > ohhhh.....now you come with this popular statements....like:

> >

> > " all there is is consciousness.... "

> > " all there is is awareness of " ....

> > etc

> >

> > ...

> >

> > awareness, in spiritual sense....is an empty consciousness

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >The Absolute is " consciousness at rest " as Ramesh Balsekar would say.

" Awareness " is a term that Maurice Frydman used when translating Nisargadatta's

talks in " I Am That " . Ramesh says that Maharaj always said that all there is is

consciousness. Ramesh would say that consciousness at rest and consciousness in

motion is the Totality. The original state is consciousness at rest. When the

potential energy of consciousness at rest actualizes then it is consciousness in

motion. " Awareness " is an unnecessary and confusing concept according to Ramesh.

>

>With reagrd to the subject line of this posting, there is neither seer nor

seen, but there is only seeing happening in the Now.

September 4, 2009

Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > dennis_travis33

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Friday, September 04, 2009 9:28 AM

> > > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> > > real.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > geo

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Friday, September 04, 2009 7:17 AM

> > > > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> > > > real.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

> > > > there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

real.

> > > >

> > > > without awareness:

> > > >

> > > > the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

entity).....percieve

> > > > others of same nature, without knowing about.

> > > >

> > > > with awareness:

> > > >

> > > > the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> > > > entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

> > > >

> > > > means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there is the

> > > > seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed entities,

> > > > empty

> > > > waves of illusion.

> > > >

> > > > That is how I saw it 10 mints ago. Now I see it like this:

> > > > There is awareness of bodies perceived through this one. Some act as if

> > > > they

> > > > had an inner entity.

> > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > >

> > > and again....you talk about consciousness......

> > >

> > > there can never be any " awareness OF.... " ....

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > > All there is is awareness of. There is awareness of consciousness.

> > > -geo-

> > >

> >

> > ohhhh.....now you come with this popular statements....like:

> >

> > " all there is is consciousness.... "

> > " all there is is awareness of " ....

> > etc

> >

> > ...

> >

> > awareness, in spiritual sense....is an empty consciousness

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >The Absolute is " consciousness at rest " as Ramesh Balsekar would say.

" Awareness " is a term that Maurice Frydman used when translating Nisargadatta's

talks in " I Am That " . Ramesh says that Maharaj always said that all there is is

consciousness. Ramesh would say that consciousness at rest and consciousness in

motion is the Totality. The original state is consciousness at rest. When the

potential energy of consciousness at rest actualizes then it is consciousness in

motion. " Awareness " is an unnecessary and confusing concept according to Ramesh.

>

interesting....indeed....such " consciousness at rest " ....as being

" awareness " ....

also agree with the description of " the original state is consciousness at rest "

and yes....it's not realy necessary to use " awareness " ....when it can be simply

expressed as " consciousness at rest "

....

i don't agree with the conclusion and mentionned definition of the

" Totality " .....

as far i see...... " totality " is again a concept which arise in a consciousness

which isn't at rest......so, of no reality.

thanks for your informations and interesting words

Marc

September 4, 2009

Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > dennis_travis33

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Friday, September 04, 2009 9:28 AM

> > > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> > > real.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > geo

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Friday, September 04, 2009 7:17 AM

> > > > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> > > > real.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

> > > > there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

real.

> > > >

> > > > without awareness:

> > > >

> > > > the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

entity).....percieve

> > > > others of same nature, without knowing about.

> > > >

> > > > with awareness:

> > > >

> > > > the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> > > > entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

> > > >

> > > > means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there is the

> > > > seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed entities,

> > > > empty

> > > > waves of illusion.

> > > >

> > > > That is how I saw it 10 mints ago. Now I see it like this:

> > > > There is awareness of bodies perceived through this one. Some act as if

> > > > they

> > > > had an inner entity.

> > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > >

> > > and again....you talk about consciousness......

> > >

> > > there can never be any " awareness OF.... " ....

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > > All there is is awareness of. There is awareness of consciousness.

> > > -geo-

> > >

> >

> > ohhhh.....now you come with this popular statements....like:

> >

> > " all there is is consciousness.... "

> > " all there is is awareness of " ....

> > etc

> >

> > ...

> >

> > awareness, in spiritual sense....is an empty consciousness

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >The Absolute is " consciousness at rest " as Ramesh Balsekar would say.

" Awareness " is a term that Maurice Frydman used when translating Nisargadatta's

talks in " I Am That " . Ramesh says that Maharaj always said that all there is is

consciousness. Ramesh would say that consciousness at rest and consciousness in

motion is the Totality. The original state is consciousness at rest. When the

potential energy of consciousness at rest actualizes then it is consciousness in

motion. " Awareness " is an unnecessary and confusing concept according to Ramesh.

P: I agree with Ramesh regarding awareness, but

consciousness at rest is another useless term.

Consciousness at rest is the same as unconsciousness,

so why not call it that? The only reason has to be

that the writer wants to give the impression that

consciousness somehow is still there whether we are

conscious or not.

>

September 4, 2009

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Friday, September 04, 2009 9:28 AM

> > > > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> > > > real.

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > geo

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Friday, September 04, 2009 7:17 AM

> > > > > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor

seing....for

> > > > > real.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

> > > > > there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

real.

> > > > >

> > > > > without awareness:

> > > > >

> > > > > the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

entity).....percieve

> > > > > others of same nature, without knowing about.

> > > > >

> > > > > with awareness:

> > > > >

> > > > > the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> > > > > entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

> > > > >

> > > > > means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > > Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there is

the

> > > > > seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed entities,

> > > > > empty

> > > > > waves of illusion.

> > > > >

> > > > > That is how I saw it 10 mints ago. Now I see it like this:

> > > > > There is awareness of bodies perceived through this one. Some act as

if

> > > > > they

> > > > > had an inner entity.

> > > > > -geo-

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > and again....you talk about consciousness......

> > > >

> > > > there can never be any " awareness OF.... " ....

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > All there is is awareness of. There is awareness of consciousness.

> > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > >

> > > ohhhh.....now you come with this popular statements....like:

> > >

> > > " all there is is consciousness.... "

> > > " all there is is awareness of " ....

> > > etc

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > awareness, in spiritual sense....is an empty consciousness

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > >The Absolute is " consciousness at rest " as Ramesh Balsekar would say.

" Awareness " is a term that Maurice Frydman used when translating Nisargadatta's

talks in " I Am That " . Ramesh says that Maharaj always said that all there is is

consciousness. Ramesh would say that consciousness at rest and consciousness in

motion is the Totality. The original state is consciousness at rest. When the

potential energy of consciousness at rest actualizes then it is consciousness in

motion. " Awareness " is an unnecessary and confusing concept according to Ramesh.

>

> P: I agree with Ramesh regarding awareness, but

> consciousness at rest is another useless term.

> Consciousness at rest is the same as unconsciousness,

> so why not call it that? The only reason has to be

> that the writer wants to give the impression that

> consciousness somehow is still there whether we are

> conscious or not.

> >

>

>True enough. However consciousness at rest implies the potentiality that is

consciousness in motion. Unconsciousness does not maintain that potentiality of

consciousness to actualize its power. All of this is just concepts. So

whatever floats your boat.

September 4, 2009

Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Friday, September 04, 2009 9:28 AM

> > > > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> > > > real.

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > geo

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Friday, September 04, 2009 7:17 AM

> > > > > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor

seing....for

> > > > > real.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

> > > > > there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

real.

> > > > >

> > > > > without awareness:

> > > > >

> > > > > the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

entity).....percieve

> > > > > others of same nature, without knowing about.

> > > > >

> > > > > with awareness:

> > > > >

> > > > > the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> > > > > entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

> > > > >

> > > > > means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > > Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there is

the

> > > > > seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed entities,

> > > > > empty

> > > > > waves of illusion.

> > > > >

> > > > > That is how I saw it 10 mints ago. Now I see it like this:

> > > > > There is awareness of bodies perceived through this one. Some act as

if

> > > > > they

> > > > > had an inner entity.

> > > > > -geo-

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > and again....you talk about consciousness......

> > > >

> > > > there can never be any " awareness OF.... " ....

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > All there is is awareness of. There is awareness of consciousness.

> > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > >

> > > ohhhh.....now you come with this popular statements....like:

> > >

> > > " all there is is consciousness.... "

> > > " all there is is awareness of " ....

> > > etc

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > awareness, in spiritual sense....is an empty consciousness

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > >The Absolute is " consciousness at rest " as Ramesh Balsekar would say.

" Awareness " is a term that Maurice Frydman used when translating Nisargadatta's

talks in " I Am That " . Ramesh says that Maharaj always said that all there is is

consciousness. Ramesh would say that consciousness at rest and consciousness in

motion is the Totality. The original state is consciousness at rest. When the

potential energy of consciousness at rest actualizes then it is consciousness in

motion. " Awareness " is an unnecessary and confusing concept according to Ramesh.

> >

> >With reagrd to the subject line of this posting, there is neither seer nor

seen, but there is only seeing happening in the Now.

>

such " there is neither seer, seen nor seing.... " is part of a Shankara

statement.....as far i remember....he said, that instead of " seer, seen and

seing " , there is nothing but the " Absolute reality " ....

....to get back to your words....

maybe, nowadays....due to some Gurus and Teachers of this recent

centuries....they, again, translated such " absolute reality " into a " Now " ......

So, that mysterious " Now " appear to something new....something to write few

books about.......even if it related to very old statements....

.....

thanks for your words

Marc

September 4, 2009

Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Friday, September 04, 2009 9:28 AM

> > > > > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor

seing....for

> > > > > real.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > geo

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Friday, September 04, 2009 7:17 AM

> > > > > > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor

seing....for

> > > > > > real.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

> > > > > > there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

real.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > without awareness:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

entity).....percieve

> > > > > > others of same nature, without knowing about.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with awareness:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> > > > > > entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

> > > > > >

> > > > > > means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there is

the

> > > > > > seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed

entities,

> > > > > > empty

> > > > > > waves of illusion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That is how I saw it 10 mints ago. Now I see it like this:

> > > > > > There is awareness of bodies perceived through this one. Some act as

if

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > had an inner entity.

> > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > and again....you talk about consciousness......

> > > > >

> > > > > there can never be any " awareness OF.... " ....

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > > All there is is awareness of. There is awareness of consciousness.

> > > > > -geo-

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ohhhh.....now you come with this popular statements....like:

> > > >

> > > > " all there is is consciousness.... "

> > > > " all there is is awareness of " ....

> > > > etc

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > awareness, in spiritual sense....is an empty consciousness

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > >The Absolute is " consciousness at rest " as Ramesh Balsekar would say.

" Awareness " is a term that Maurice Frydman used when translating Nisargadatta's

talks in " I Am That " . Ramesh says that Maharaj always said that all there is is

consciousness. Ramesh would say that consciousness at rest and consciousness in

motion is the Totality. The original state is consciousness at rest. When the

potential energy of consciousness at rest actualizes then it is consciousness in

motion. " Awareness " is an unnecessary and confusing concept according to Ramesh.

> >

> > P: I agree with Ramesh regarding awareness, but

> > consciousness at rest is another useless term.

> > Consciousness at rest is the same as unconsciousness,

> > so why not call it that? The only reason has to be

> > that the writer wants to give the impression that

> > consciousness somehow is still there whether we are

> > conscious or not.

> > >

> >

> >True enough. However consciousness at rest implies the potentiality that is

consciousness in motion. Unconsciousness does not maintain that potentiality of

consciousness to actualize its power. All of this is just concepts. So

whatever floats your boat.

>

The wind at rest implies nothing.

toombaru

September 4, 2009

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

<douglasmitch1963@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Friday, September 04, 2009 9:28 AM

> > > > > > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor

seing....for

> > > > > > real.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > geo

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > Friday, September 04, 2009 7:17 AM

> > > > > > > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor

seing....for

> > > > > > > real.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

> > > > > > > there is neither seer, seen nor

seing....for real.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > without awareness:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

entity).....percieve

> > > > > > > others of same nature, without knowing about.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with awareness:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> > > > > > > entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there

is the

> > > > > > > seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed

entities,

> > > > > > > empty

> > > > > > > waves of illusion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That is how I saw it 10 mints ago. Now I see it like this:

> > > > > > > There is awareness of bodies perceived through this one. Some act

as if

> > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > had an inner entity.

> > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and again....you talk about consciousness......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there can never be any " awareness OF.... " ....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All there is is awareness of. There is awareness of consciousness.

> > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ohhhh.....now you come with this popular statements....like:

> > > > >

> > > > > " all there is is consciousness.... "

> > > > > " all there is is awareness of " ....

> > > > > etc

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > > awareness, in spiritual sense....is an empty consciousness

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > >The Absolute is " consciousness at rest " as Ramesh Balsekar would say.

" Awareness " is a term that Maurice Frydman used when translating Nisargadatta's

talks in " I Am That " . Ramesh says that Maharaj always said that all there is is

consciousness. Ramesh would say that consciousness at rest and consciousness in

motion is the Totality. The original state is consciousness at rest. When the

potential energy of consciousness at rest actualizes then it is consciousness in

motion. " Awareness " is an unnecessary and confusing concept according to Ramesh.

> > >

> > > P: I agree with Ramesh regarding awareness, but

> > > consciousness at rest is another useless term.

> > > Consciousness at rest is the same as unconsciousness,

> > > so why not call it that? The only reason has to be

> > > that the writer wants to give the impression that

> > > consciousness somehow is still there whether we are

> > > conscious or not.

> > > >

> > >

> > >True enough. However consciousness at rest implies the potentiality that

is consciousness in motion. Unconsciousness does not maintain that potentiality

of consciousness to actualize its power. All of this is just concepts. So

whatever floats your boat.

> >

>

> The wind at rest implies nothing.

>

> toombaru

>

>The wind at rest does imply that it is not in motion.

September 4, 2009

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> without awareness:

>

> the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal entity).....percieve

> others of same nature, without knowing about.

>

> with awareness:

>

> the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

>

> means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

>

> Marc

>

> With awareness there is no imaginary separated entity as a perceiver. What

> perceives is the organism through its senses.

> -geo-

What perceives that an organism is perceiving through its senses?

- D -

September 4, 2009

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> -

> geo

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, September 04, 2009 7:17 AM

> Re: there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for

> real.

>

> -

> dennis_travis33

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, September 04, 2009 4:33 AM

> there is neither seer, seen nor seing....for real.

>

> without awareness:

>

> the self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal entity).....percieve

> others of same nature, without knowing about.

>

> with awareness:

>

> the real Self....as an imaginary seperated entity (unreal

> entity).....percieve such nature of " imaginary being " in others

>

> means...percieve him/herSelf within others.

>

> Marc

>

> Without awareness I see other enclosed entities. Otherwise there is the

> seeing of organisms/minds thinking as if hey where enclosed entities, empty

> waves of illusion.

>

> That is how I saw it 10 mints ago. Now I see it like this:

> There is awareness of bodies perceived through this one. Some act as if they

> had an inner entity.

> -geo-

That is how you saw it a long time ago, in another place.

Here is how I see it now and here: a computer on my desk. fingers typing. My

glasses low on my nose. A faint glow of light through the shade on my window.

Wait, that was how I saw it a minute ago.

Here is how I see it now: a computer on my desk. no fingers typing. Just a

finger about to hit " send. " A fairly bright glow of light through the shade on

my window.

Wait, it's ten second later. Here is how I see it now ...

Smiles,

Dan

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