Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2009 > > I did not have nis in mind...not for a sec. Forget him....he is dead. > When the totality of you dies....maybe then you could say that the " place " > is gone. Where is it while you live? In kourubitchastan? > -geo- > The sense of self needs a location.....and there is no such thing. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > I did not have nis in mind...not for a sec. Forget him....he is dead. > > When the totality of you dies....maybe then you could say that the " place " > > is gone. Where is it while you live? In kourubitchastan? > > -geo- > > > > > The sense of self needs a location.....and there is no such thing. > > > > toombaru > No, Toomb, there is a location: The body ... Don't negllect the body referenc. Whenever thought is using the words " I " or " me " it is using the body as the refrence for those words. And this happend and happens since you learned to speak as a child. This body reference to the words " I " and " me " which is creating the sense of self is stored so thightly in memory that it usually no longer can be broken. This happens only to very few people. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I did not have nis in mind...not for a sec. Forget him....he is dead. > > > When the totality of you dies....maybe then you could say that the " place " > > > is gone. Where is it while you live? In kourubitchastan? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > The sense of self needs a location.....and there is no such thing. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > No, Toomb, > > there is a location: The body ... > > Don't negllect the body referenc. Whenever thought is using the words " I " or " me " it is using the body as the refrence for those words. And this happend and happens since you learned to speak as a child. > > This body reference to the words " I " and " me " which is creating the sense of self is stored so thightly in memory that it usually no longer can be broken. This happens only to very few people. > > Werner > Is there a location two hundred miles South of earth? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not have nis in mind...not for a sec. Forget him....he is dead. > > > > When the totality of you dies....maybe then you could say that the " place " > > > > is gone. Where is it while you live? In kourubitchastan? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of self needs a location.....and there is no such thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > No, Toomb, > > > > there is a location: The body ... > > > > Don't negllect the body referenc. Whenever thought is using the words " I " or " me " it is using the body as the refrence for those words. And this happend and happens since you learned to speak as a child. > > > > This body reference to the words " I " and " me " which is creating the sense of self is stored so thightly in memory that it usually no longer can be broken. This happens only to very few people. > > > > Werner > Is there a location two hundred miles South of earth? > > That question Toomb, to express it very plolitely, is bullshit. Please, before writing again such crap use your mind and remember why you are here. Werner > > > toombaru > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 - wwoehr Nisargadatta Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:24 PM Re: Stary Night Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > I did not have nis in mind...not for a sec. Forget him....he is dead. > > When the totality of you dies....maybe then you could say that the > > " place " > > is gone. Where is it while you live? In kourubitchastan? > > -geo- > > > > > The sense of self needs a location.....and there is no such thing. > > > > toombaru > No, Toomb, there is a location: The body ... Don't negllect the body referenc. Whenever thought is using the words " I " or " me " it is using the body as the refrence for those words. And this happend and happens since you learned to speak as a child. This body reference to the words " I " and " me " which is creating the sense of self is stored so thightly in memory that it usually no longer can be broken. This happens only to very few people. Werner No. You are missing it. Body, the illusion of some I...thougths..all happen here. " Here " is the locus that never changes. Never -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > No, Toomb, > > there is a location: The body ... > > Don't negllect the body referenc. Actually, I say neglect it, until it vanishes as a reference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > That question Toomb, to express it very plolitely, is bullshit. > > Please, before writing again such crap use your mind and remember why > you are here. He isn't here, and neither are you. I know you're scared, Werner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:12 PM > Re: Stary Night > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:06 PM > > Stary Night > > > > > > > > > > Stars and neutrinos...swirling. > > > > Everything flowing into everything. > > > > toombaru > > > > Who knows that? > > -geo- > > > > Look........see. > > toombaru > > Yes...and that changes? > -geo- To recognize change, one contrasts the changing with the unchanging. To recognize the unchanging, one contrasts the unchanging with change. To recognize who notices this, one contrasts a who, with everything that isn't that who. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > Yes...and that changes? > > -geo- > > To recognize change, one contrasts the changing with the unchanging. Wait a second... What unchanging? Where is this one, that contrasts? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > No, Toomb, > > > > there is a location: The body ... > > > > Don't negllect the body referenc. > > Actually, I say neglect it, until it vanishes as a reference. > It won't work, Tim, because who should be the neglector ? I already repeated it a dozend times, the psyche is much stronger than concepts and ideas. To decondition a lifelong conditioning like the body reference just with the help of a concept is impossible. Thats btw the reason why I so often critisized Advaita and all its non-dual concepts. They are of no use and won't work, similar like casting a spell at warts to get rid of them. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > No, Toomb, > > > > > > there is a location: The body ... > > > > > > Don't negllect the body referenc. > > > > Actually, I say neglect it, until it vanishes as a reference. > > > > > It won't work, Tim, because who should be the neglector ? > > I already repeated it a dozend times, the psyche is much stronger than concepts and ideas. To decondition a lifelong conditioning like the body reference just with the help of a concept is impossible. > > Thats btw the reason why I so often critisized Advaita and all its non-dual concepts. They are of no use and won't work, similar like casting a spell at warts to get rid of them. > > Werner You mean, they won't work for you. Because you're using them to try to fix something. And they are for the opposite - not to give a fix. But to show the uselessness of trying to fix things. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > No, Toomb, > > > > > > > > there is a location: The body ... > > > > > > > > Don't negllect the body referenc. > > > > > > Actually, I say neglect it, until it vanishes as a reference. > > > > > > > > > It won't work, Tim, because who should be the neglector ? > > > > I already repeated it a dozend times, the psyche is much stronger than concepts and ideas. To decondition a lifelong conditioning like the body reference just with the help of a concept is impossible. > > > > Thats btw the reason why I so often critisized Advaita and all its non-dual concepts. They are of no use and won't work, similar like casting a spell at warts to get rid of them. > > > > Werner > > You mean, they won't work for you. > > Because you're using them to try to fix something. > > And they are for the opposite - not to give a fix. > > But to show the uselessness of trying to fix things. > > - D - > Oh Dan, you think by tricking the joker into my pockets it will free you from all those lies and concepts you head is cramped full with ? There is only one insight possible: We are helpless and can do nothing. All else is cheating onself and others. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No, Toomb, > > > > > > > > > > there is a location: The body ... > > > > > > > > > > Don't negllect the body referenc. > > > > > > > > Actually, I say neglect it, until it vanishes as a reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It won't work, Tim, because who should be the neglector ? > > > > > > I already repeated it a dozend times, the psyche is much stronger than concepts and ideas. To decondition a lifelong conditioning like the body reference just with the help of a concept is impossible. > > > > > > Thats btw the reason why I so often critisized Advaita and all its non-dual concepts. They are of no use and won't work, similar like casting a spell at warts to get rid of them. > > > > > > Werner > > > > You mean, they won't work for you. > > > > Because you're using them to try to fix something. > > > > And they are for the opposite - not to give a fix. > > > > But to show the uselessness of trying to fix things. > > > > - D - > > > > > Oh Dan, > > you think by tricking the joker into my pockets it will free you from all those lies and concepts you head is cramped full with ? > > There is only one insight possible: We are helpless and can do nothing. All else is cheating onself and others. > > Werner Werner - Believing you're omniscient only makes you a substitute for the god you don't believe in - so not much improvement with that strategy for your personal religion. And please don't get too upset about feeling vulnerable - you're not as helpless as you think. Take heart - whatever other shortcomings you may have, you're clearly still able to type and pontificate. You probably can even make yourself a meal when you're hungry and I bet you still know how to shower when you're dirty. See? Rumors of your helplessness have been greatly exaggerated. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > No, Toomb, > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a location: The body ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't negllect the body referenc. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I say neglect it, until it vanishes as a reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It won't work, Tim, because who should be the neglector ? > > > > > > > > I already repeated it a dozend times, the psyche is much stronger than concepts and ideas. To decondition a lifelong conditioning like the body reference just with the help of a concept is impossible. > > > > > > > > Thats btw the reason why I so often critisized Advaita and all its non-dual concepts. They are of no use and won't work, similar like casting a spell at warts to get rid of them. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > You mean, they won't work for you. > > > > > > Because you're using them to try to fix something. > > > > > > And they are for the opposite - not to give a fix. > > > > > > But to show the uselessness of trying to fix things. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > Oh Dan, > > > > you think by tricking the joker into my pockets it will free you from all those lies and concepts you head is cramped full with ? > > > > There is only one insight possible: We are helpless and can do nothing. All else is cheating onself and others. > > > > Werner > > Werner - > > Believing you're omniscient only makes you a substitute for the god you don't believe in - so not much improvement with that strategy for your personal religion. > > And please don't get too upset about feeling vulnerable - you're not as helpless as you think. > > Take heart - whatever other shortcomings you may have, you're clearly still able to type and pontificate. You probably can even make yourself a meal when you're hungry and I bet you still know how to shower when you're dirty. See? Rumors of your helplessness have been greatly exaggerated. > > > - D - > Re: Stary Night Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > No, Toomb, > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a location: The body ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't negllect the body referenc. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I say neglect it, until it vanishes as a reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It won't work, Tim, because who should be the neglector ? > > > > > > > > I already repeated it a dozend times, the psyche is much stronger than concepts and ideas. To decondition a lifelong conditioning like the body reference just with the help of a concept is impossible. > > > > > > > > Thats btw the reason why I so often critisized Advaita and all its non-dual concepts. They are of no use and won't work, similar like casting a spell at warts to get rid of them. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > You mean, they won't work for you. > > > > > > Because you're using them to try to fix something. > > > > > > And they are for the opposite - not to give a fix. > > > > > > But to show the uselessness of trying to fix things. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > Oh Dan, > > > > you think by tricking the joker into my pockets it will free you from all those lies and concepts you head is cramped full with ? > > > > There is only one insight possible: We are helpless and can do nothing. All else is cheating onself and others. > > > > Werner > > Werner - > > Believing you're omniscient only makes you a substitute for the god you don't believe in - so not much improvement with that strategy for your personal religion. Dan, Does one need to be omniescent to see that religions and philosophies just are entertainment and are only food to keep the brain occupied ? > > And please don't get too upset about feeling vulnerable - you're not as helpless as you think. Haha Dan, you are such a nice guy ... > > Take heart - whatever other shortcomings you may have, you're clearly still able to type and pontificate. You probably can even make yourself a meal when you're hungry and I bet you still know how to shower when you're dirty. See? Rumors of your helplessness have been greatly exaggerated. Ok, ok, I also brush my teeth at night when I have taken them out and I also wipe my ass before leaving the loo etc, But the helplessness regarding change was aimed at the psyche, was aiming psychological change and not changing your underware etc ... What a coward you must be, Dan, not face the real issue: Helplessnes regarding pschological change. Instead of facing the real issue you try to involve me in sidetracks like changing one's underware etc ... Werner > > > - D - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 - fewtch Nisargadatta Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:09 AM Re: Stary Night Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > Yes...and that changes? > > -geo- > > To recognize change, one contrasts the changing with the unchanging. -d- Wait a second... What unchanging? Where is this one, that contrasts? -t- Is there somethng unchanging there? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > fewtch > Nisargadatta > Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:09 AM > Re: Stary Night > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > Yes...and that changes? > > > -geo- > > > > To recognize change, one contrasts the changing with the unchanging. > -d- > > > Wait a second... > > What unchanging? > > Where is this one, that contrasts? > -t- > > Is there somethng unchanging there? > -geo- > The " problem " is a conceptual misunderstanding. The word " change " is relevant only in contrast to that which is " unchanging " . The mind invents a word like change to label its perceptual input and then makes the word the reality. Does rain change into the ocean?.........does a child change into an adult?......does a cocoon change into a butterfly? In actuality....within the interrelated flux...... there is no such thing as isolated " changes " . toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:39 AM Re: Stary Night Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > fewtch > Nisargadatta > Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:09 AM > Re: Stary Night > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > Yes...and that changes? > > > -geo- > > > > To recognize change, one contrasts the changing with the unchanging. > -d- > > > Wait a second... > > What unchanging? > > Where is this one, that contrasts? > -t- > > Is there somethng unchanging there? > -geo- > The " problem " is a conceptual misunderstanding. The word " change " is relevant only in contrast to that which is " unchanging " . The mind invents a word like change to label its perceptual input and then makes the word the reality. Does rain change into the ocean?.........does a child change into an adult?......does a cocoon change into a butterfly? In actuality....within the interrelated flux...... there is no such thing as isolated " changes " . toombaru No. How many " places " are there in the universe? Rain change into the ocean, or a child change into an adult....whether they change or not doesnt matter. Where is the only place all changes or no-changes happen? does that place change? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:05 AM Re: Stary Night Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:12 PM > Re: Stary Night > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:06 PM > > Stary Night > > > > > > > > > > Stars and neutrinos...swirling. > > > > Everything flowing into everything. > > > > toombaru > > > > Who knows that? > > -geo- > > > > Look........see. > > toombaru > > Yes...and that changes? > -geo- To recognize change, one contrasts the changing with the unchanging. To recognize the unchanging, one contrasts the unchanging with change. To recognize who notices this, one contrasts a who, with everything that isn't that who. - D - In how many places all happens? Does the place change? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:47 AM Re: Re: Stary Night - dan330033 Nisargadatta Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:05 AM Re: Stary Night Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:12 PM > Re: Stary Night > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:06 PM > > Stary Night > > > > > > > > > > Stars and neutrinos...swirling. > > > > Everything flowing into everything. > > > > toombaru > > > > Who knows that? > > -geo- > > > > Look........see. > > toombaru > > Yes...and that changes? > -geo- To recognize change, one contrasts the changing with the unchanging. To recognize the unchanging, one contrasts the unchanging with change. To recognize who notices this, one contrasts a who, with everything that isn't that who. - D - That is indeed the way thought functions - it compares. It is not thought that sees the unchanging this. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > fewtch > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:09 AM > > Re: Stary Night > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > Yes...and that changes? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > To recognize change, one contrasts the changing with the unchanging. > > -d- > > > > > > Wait a second... > > > > What unchanging? > > > > Where is this one, that contrasts? > > -t- > > > > Is there somethng unchanging there? > > -geo- > > > > > > > The " problem " is a conceptual misunderstanding. > > The word " change " is relevant only in contrast to that which is " unchanging " . > > The mind invents a word like change to label its perceptual input and then makes the word the reality. > > Does rain change into the ocean?.........does a child change into an adult?......does a cocoon change into a butterfly? > > In actuality....within the interrelated flux...... there is no such thing as isolated " changes " . > > > > > toombaru P: The problem is a misunderstanding. It goes without saying that all misunderstandings are conceptual. The misunderstanding is posing the opposite of change. Change is more than a word, it's a perception. You're reading this very instant, but can't keep what you read in mind for long, your mind will move on. Consciousness can not keep focus on any item for long. That is not a concept, or a word, it's the way your brain works. That is the way the universe works, events appear and disappear constantly. The nature of attention is to isolate. That is why to see the world as one, we have to relax our focus and drink the whole landscape in one gulp. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:58 AM Re: Re: Stary Night - geo Nisargadatta Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:47 AM Re: Re: Stary Night - dan330033 Nisargadatta Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:05 AM Re: Stary Night Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:12 PM > Re: Stary Night > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:06 PM > > Stary Night > > > > > > > > > > Stars and neutrinos...swirling. > > > > Everything flowing into everything. > > > > toombaru > > > > Who knows that? > > -geo- > > > > Look........see. > > toombaru > > Yes...and that changes? > -geo- To recognize change, one contrasts the changing with the unchanging. To recognize the unchanging, one contrasts the unchanging with change. To recognize who notices this, one contrasts a who, with everything that isn't that who. - D - That is indeed the way thought functions - it compares. It is not thought that sees the unchanging this. The unchanging is not seen, no.... the unchanging is is-ness. No words....too obvious for them. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:58 AM > Re: Re: Stary Night > > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:47 AM > Re: Re: Stary Night > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:05 AM > Re: Stary Night > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:12 PM > > Re: Stary Night > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:06 PM > > > Stary Night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stars and neutrinos...swirling. > > > > > > Everything flowing into everything. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Who knows that? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Look........see. > > > > toombaru > > > > Yes...and that changes? > > -geo- > > To recognize change, one contrasts the changing with the unchanging. > > To recognize the unchanging, one contrasts the unchanging with change. > > To recognize who notices this, one contrasts a who, with everything that > isn't that who. > > - D - > > That is indeed the way thought functions - it compares. It is not thought > that sees the unchanging this. > > The unchanging is not seen, no.... the unchanging is is-ness. No > words....too obvious for them. > -geo- > Only the mind could come up with something like the " unchanging " and believe that reality corresponds to its label. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:58 PM Re: Stary Night Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:58 AM > Re: Re: Stary Night > > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:47 AM > Re: Re: Stary Night > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:05 AM > Re: Stary Night > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:12 PM > > Re: Stary Night > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:06 PM > > > Stary Night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stars and neutrinos...swirling. > > > > > > Everything flowing into everything. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Who knows that? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Look........see. > > > > toombaru > > > > Yes...and that changes? > > -geo- > > To recognize change, one contrasts the changing with the unchanging. > > To recognize the unchanging, one contrasts the unchanging with change. > > To recognize who notices this, one contrasts a who, with everything that > isn't that who. > > - D - > > That is indeed the way thought functions - it compares. It is not thought > that sees the unchanging this. > > The unchanging is not seen, no.... the unchanging is is-ness. No > words....too obvious for them. > -geo- > Only the mind could come up with something like the " unchanging " and believe that reality corresponds to its label. toombaru It is not a matter for the thinking mind. Thought is a fragment. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:58 PM > Re: Stary Night > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > geo > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:58 AM > > Re: Re: Stary Night > > > > > > > > - > > geo > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:47 AM > > Re: Re: Stary Night > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:05 AM > > Re: Stary Night > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:12 PM > > > Re: Stary Night > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:06 PM > > > > Stary Night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stars and neutrinos...swirling. > > > > > > > > Everything flowing into everything. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Who knows that? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Look........see. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Yes...and that changes? > > > -geo- > > > > To recognize change, one contrasts the changing with the unchanging. > > > > To recognize the unchanging, one contrasts the unchanging with change. > > > > To recognize who notices this, one contrasts a who, with everything that > > isn't that who. > > > > - D - > > > > That is indeed the way thought functions - it compares. It is not thought > > that sees the unchanging this. > > > > The unchanging is not seen, no.... the unchanging is is-ness. No > > words....too obvious for them. > > -geo- > > > > Only the mind could come up with something like the " unchanging " and believe > that reality corresponds to its label. > > toombaru > > It is not a matter for the thinking mind. Thought is a fragment. > -geo- > Is that what you think? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:18 PM Re: Stary Night Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:58 PM > Re: Stary Night > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > geo > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:58 AM > > Re: Re: Stary Night > > > > > > > > - > > geo > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:47 AM > > Re: Re: Stary Night > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:05 AM > > Re: Stary Night > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:12 PM > > > Re: Stary Night > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:06 PM > > > > Stary Night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stars and neutrinos...swirling. > > > > > > > > Everything flowing into everything. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Who knows that? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Look........see. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Yes...and that changes? > > > -geo- > > > > To recognize change, one contrasts the changing with the unchanging. > > > > To recognize the unchanging, one contrasts the unchanging with change. > > > > To recognize who notices this, one contrasts a who, with everything that > > isn't that who. > > > > - D - > > > > That is indeed the way thought functions - it compares. It is not > > thought > > that sees the unchanging this. > > > > The unchanging is not seen, no.... the unchanging is is-ness. No > > words....too obvious for them. > > -geo- > > > > Only the mind could come up with something like the " unchanging " and > believe > that reality corresponds to its label. > > toombaru > > It is not a matter for the thinking mind. Thought is a fragment. > -geo- > Is that what you think? toombaru That thought is a limited fragment? No....no need for thought to see....it is seen. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
