Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2009 Nisargadatta was a good Hindu. He knew bhakti was a less than perfect tool for personal evolution, but he honored it -- perfectly, and yet he espoused Advaitic inquiry as the better method. He did puja. He read scriptures and could converse about them. He had daily services in a jam packed room of true believers. Where in all that is there anything but a man involved with spirituality in society? Where was he to be found telling everyone to quit religious activities? Edg At 11:51 AM 8/22/2009, you wrote: Edg: .... " Nisargadatta " a man who was as religious as religious can be? geo> Nis...religious? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Edg: .... " Nisargadatta " a man who was as religious as religious can be? > > geo> Nis...religious? > That's the nice thing about gurus and religious beliefs.....we can color them in to reinforce our own misconceptions. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2009 His only religion was the original re-ligare: ending fragmentation. If that is what you mean I agree. -geo- Nisargadatta was a good Hindu. He knew bhakti was a less than perfect tool for personal evolution, but he honored it -- perfectly, and yet he espoused Advaitic inquiry as the better method. He did puja. He read scriptures and could converse about them. He had daily services in a jam packed room of true believers. Where in all that is there anything but a man involved with spirituality in society? Where was he to be found telling everyone to quit religious activities?EdgAt 11:51 AM 8/22/2009, you wrote: Edg: ...."Nisargadatta" a man who was as religious as religious can be? geo> Nis...religious? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > I would highly recommend either: > > > The Psychological Roots of Religious Belief: Searching for Angels and the > > Parent-God. Amherst, NY: Prometheus Books. 245 pp. > > or > > Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon, 2006 book by Daniel > > Dennett > > Either one should knock that old Cosmic Ego down from the tree of knowledge. > > toombaru > > Edg: Toom, what kind of asshole are you to be so smug about your atheism such that you high hat me about it at a named " Nisargadatta " a man who was as religious as religious can be? There are two fullnesses, bub, get used to it. You're glomming onto the Atheistic side of Advaita is tawdry in intent, vilely anti-intellectual, and so blinded by denial that it's my sin to be found responding to your gunk as if it was substantive enough to merit any attention at all. Given what I know about karma, my compassion for your life is triggered, cuz for sure, anyone who do what you're doing here is doing this same kind of shit elsewhere and you're getting a fist to the jaw every day in every way as your due for this mental defect of haughty opining without the least scholarship. Are ya entering various churches during services to spit on the altars just to show the dummies what's what? Yes, you are, but you don't even recognize a church when you're in one. Life is sacred, and you're there screaming " all is mundane, there are no mysteries I have not pierced, there's no hope for anyone, you're all fools if you're not exactly like me. " > > As if. > > As if. > > As fucking if. > > Didn't your Mother ever wash your mind out with soap? > > Edg > Why does your God need such a strident defense? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > >Edg, I wasn't trying to bait you. I did not know that you had posted the day before when i said, " You're back " . I had not seen you online for some time and have been thinking about the possibility of the Cosmic Ego as " it " may relate to universal consciousness. Before i dismissed the notion out of hand, but am more curious now. No promises that i'll agree, but i should hear you out first. Sincerely, Doug. > > > > Edg: Wuz ya born in 1963? > > Cosmic Ego: Let's see how it all comes through me, once again for the OMteenthish time. I seldom re-post stuff I've written, because to me I'm doing my " old man I'll soon be " a favor. The favor being that I once again iterate the concepts and perpetuate my Advaitan content's hard wiring. If I cannot get enlightened in my remaining years, at least, figures me who would outsmart God, I will have all this delightful conceptual set to cud-chew in my ebbing light. Better to dwell with these concepts than on any memories of " what 'I' did " or " what I shudda " or, ick, " I'm dying. " To me the concepts will be like my hand is being held as it slips from my ego's sense of ownership. I can see myself on my deathbed mumbling in some haze and a loved one bends near to hear my last egoic output, and there I'll be saying something Advaitanicish like " awareness is love. " Better that my ego dies with those words dwelt upon than " who's going to get my money? " Yes? > > Meanwhile, back at the topic, here's nine ways to burp about Cosmic Ego: > > 1. God's Ego. Note: I lack clarity about which God that might be. I favor Mother Divine's Ego, but I'd settle for it being Brahma's since He is blamed for creation (actually it was his mind-born sons that did the deed.) If it's Brahma's Ego, then, by dint of His having entered creation, I'd say that that Ego is tilting towards being very much like a human ego -- that is: blind, assuming authorship of thoughts, unaware of its being a reflection of silence, etc. Brahma's Ego would be closer to, say, Indra's, than to Narayana's or Shiva's or Mother Divine's, but Indra isn't enlightened and I hold that Brahma is -- despite having an Ego. I don't know these Gods well enough to say if any of Them are enlightened by Advaitan standards. The best I think that can be garnered is Mother Divine knowing Her Self perfectly and yet fully engaged in relativity also. Words begin to get mighty iffy in this realm. > > 2. We all know of at least one instance of the Absolute's status: our own thoughts are " received " by a non-thing in a mystical process that is not entirely " real " and yet not entirely " unreal. " Inquiry -- even inquiry by a sheer dolt -- reveals that silence is the offered answer by every nervous system that asks, " who is having this thought? " That silence is the Absolute saying, " I'm Spartacus! " We know, if we are sufficiently adroit in how we attend the clockworks of consciousness, that it is not the human ego that receives thought since that ego cherry picks what is attended; whereas, the " true " receiver of thought is also THAT which misses not a quark anywherewhen. Right now, your ego is receiving thoughts about this post, but where is your ego's awareness of what your elbow feels like right at this very instant? Yep, there's that elbow singing its song constantly on the off chance you'll attend it -- only now that you've put your attention there is it heard, but THAT never takes its attention off of anything anywhere anywhen. The elbow sings to it and is fully embraced by THAT -- as are all things....like trees in humanless forests falling. > > 3. Since we know that our thoughts are registering -- by how we don't know and by what we can't know, BUT WE KNOW -- we are assured that at the least God's thoughts are somehow registering also. Now, does God have an Ego that assumes authorship of creation or is God's nervous system identified solely with THAT such that relativity never drowns out the presence of silence's saturation of ALL THIS? I go with the latter, but I note that creation doesn't end just because we assume God sees the mirage for what it is and is free of being attached to any aspect of it, but yet is Identified with it in that Identity is the only " material " out of which creation could be fashioned. God says, " I wanted to create, and I looked around, but there wasn't any clay or anything, so I just scooped up handfuls of ME and shaped them into YOU and all the other things. Get it? I'm gold, you're one of my pieces of jewelry. " > > With this point number 3, I find myself getting semantically fuzzy, but I'll continue even if all I can do is spin out six more poems. > > 4. Every human ego is completely sold out to an identificational process. The ego cherry picks that which it wants to " have been. " God's Ego doesn't cherry pick -- It identifies with all constructs. Accuse God of napalming Viet Nam babies, or starving 30,000 children to death every day, and He says, " Yeah, that's Me alright, but, I balanced that with positive objects of consciousness such that my yinyang symbol is symmetrical, and, hey, it's My dream and I can do anything in it just like you are sinless when you dream that you're doing bad things. And, take heart, this may be Kali Yuga with its dark entities, but that means bright entities must be created to balance them -- and, voila, here comes Blue Boy to set dharma aright. Now you just try to find Krishna in any other yuga as easily as He is in Kali Yuga where He stands out like boner in a lockeroom -- that's why I love Kali Yuga! -- contrast is where it's at, dude. " > > 5. By dint of our knowing that our thoughts and our quarks are each and all attended, and that THAT is unassailablely THERE despite having not the least thereness, we can see that ego-ing is a process that mimics THAT's status in a laughably tiny manner, but there it is in daily life pretending that it is universally aware of all that's going on in a human's matrix. It's just a toddler clumping around in Dad's Big Shoes, but how cute, eh? But miss not the power of the metaphor that the human ego presents: in our matrix the ego walks Emperor-like in its world with clothing it pretends to wear, and just so does God wear creation as His clothing, His embodiment, His soul, whatever. If a human ego can say, " I bet on that horse, and look I'm winning! " then God can say, " I bet on that human ego, and look I'm Douglasing. " Now I ask you, how bad is it to have God thinking He's you? > > 6. Obviously if creation is thought to be mindlessly emergent from some sort of quantum virtuality, it merely begs the question if we assign to the " big bang " authorship of materiality if we ignore the question: what chicken laid the singularity egg from which the big bang hatched? The Cosmic Ego is expected, by me, to know the ultimate answer just as Godel knew there are certain truths that cannot be expressed in any formal system of axioms. Brahma gave up trying to get to the bottom of the lotus by realizing that the intellect was inherently blind to THAT'S FULL truth, but He didn't give up knowing that there was such a truth even if He couldn't discover it. Poor Brahma, all He has for tools are, well, tools when what He needs are non-tools to grasp THAT'S unreachable truth. Gotta have both: ALL THIS and ALL THAT, and only the Absolute has that status -- God only has ALL THIS from which to formulate -- and so, creation is half-assed, and ego is right there choosing to be the cheek that gets bitten, and misses seeing the cheek that is yet to be turned. > > Now I'm really deeply into poetry at this point, eh? > > 7. God says to His mirror: " What a hunk you are, Divine Dude. You're Douglasing at the speed of light, you're Edging with tachyons, you're every possible thing what am, but the mirror is faulty in that it only reflects the real and is unable to reflect the unreal, and this is the best mirror that can be possibly made by Me. The Absolute is the One gazing into the mirror, but the Divine Dude I see is so perfect that it would be okay to be Him even if He's half-ish. I'm not looking into the mirror to see the back of My Head, ya see? " > > 8. The seeker seeks an object of consciousness hoping it will be God, but all that the seeker can ever hope to find is God's manifest half, but, hey, don't knock it, cuz by doing so, by gazing solely at God's reflection, one can shed the addiction to attending the human ego. I mean, if President Obama and Ghandi back from the dead and Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta were all in a room with you when God arrives, Who are you going to be looking at? Will ya be gazing at your human ego's next cherry picked thought that ignores the elbow's song? Or, will ego fall on the floor crying instantly begging for mercy for having pretended God's thoughts are its creations? Placing awareness on the feeling of " God's presence " can lead to an endless refining of that perception until all things are discovered to be God -- this is the goal of bhakti -- to see God 24/7, and that can only happen if we see ALL THIS as shaped God-stuff. The intellect, OTOH, seeks God's primal concept: Cosmic Ego. Why? Cuz the human ego thinks it can be God's pal Who can unravel all mysteries for the intellect's satisfaction, and finally the intellect discovers that God doesn't end when conceptuality completely is resolved into a harmonious whole. Both the intellect and the heart are stymied at this point. God is everything, and now, just how does one turn to face everything including all the non-things? Ah, the mirror's flaw is discovered, the intellect knows that only by the closing of God's eyes can God be the Absolute that gazes without gazing. The heart knows that only by ceasing the noise of praying to God, can one hope to hear God Who is too polite to speak when one's praying so sweetly. > > 9. Universal consciousness is what Cosmic Ego sees in the mirror. All possibilities displayed and loved. Cosmic Ego is that which incarnates -- that is, identifies with everything as itself. The Absolute is THAT which the Cosmic Ego acts upon the behalf of without missing the fact that it is at best a dummy on the Absolute's ventriloquisty lap. > > My keyboard's smoking from friction. > > Are ya still reading, Doug? > > Edg > > Edg, yes i was told that i was born in 1963. But my true nature cannot be defined by *birth*. Your reply was quite verbose. You could have just written the last paragraph to answer my question about the " cosmic ego " . So if i understand you correctly universal consciousness projects a cosmic ego (sense of presence). Universal consciousness is just like universal beingness. Both have no form, but are rather the nature of all forms. i thought that universal beingness and universal consciousness are just abstractions of the consciousness and life of " individual " forms. " I am " , which each form already knows, contains the entire universe within. " I am " is another way of saying " ego " . Universal consciousness/beingness only knows " I am " through finite form. This form is what can be said to have an ego...sense of presence. Sounds like you are also saying that the god concept has a cosmic ego. But the god concept is a human concept, born of human imagination to explain creation. So, " I am " is the only possible " cosmic ego " because it already contains the entire universe and the god concept. This i would agree with...not the projection of an abstraction but of a living, conscious form, which is part of the " cosmic dream " ...another concept. Everything this side of Awareness is known through the concept making mind, including the concept of " this side of Awareness " and my elbow. -doug Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 > > > > Edg, yes i was told that i was born in 1963. But my true nature cannot be defined by *birth*. Your reply was quite verbose. You could have just written the last paragraph to answer my question about the " cosmic ego " . So if i understand you correctly universal consciousness projects a cosmic ego (sense of presence). Universal consciousness is just like universal beingness. Both have no form, but are rather the nature of all forms. i thought that universal beingness and universal consciousness are just abstractions of the consciousness and life of " individual " forms. " I am " , which each form already knows, contains the entire universe within. " I am " is another way of saying " ego " . Universal consciousness/beingness only knows " I am " through finite form. This form is what can be said to have an ego...sense of presence. Sounds like you are also saying that the god concept has a cosmic ego. But the god concept is a human concept, born of human imagination to explain creation. So, " I am " is the only possible " cosmic ego " because it already contains the entire universe and the god concept. This i would agree with...not the projection of an abstraction but of a living, conscious form, which is part of the " cosmic dream " ...another concept. Everything this side of Awareness is known through the concept making mind, including the concept of " this side of Awareness " and my elbow. -doug P: Well, Doug, in my book, you're a head, and a neck ahead of Edg. You are right in most of what you wrote above: Edg is quite verbose, which means he is willing to sacrifice clarity to indulge his love for his own words. His concept of Cosmic Ego is as unnecessary and silly as painting legs on a snake. He fails to see that the true path is one of subtracting conceptuality, not adding to it. Finding cleverer concepts will never lead to freedom from the conceptual hypnotic trance. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > I would highly recommend either: > > > > > The Psychological Roots of Religious Belief: Searching for Angels and the > > > Parent-God. Amherst, NY: Prometheus Books. 245 pp. > > > or > > > Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon, 2006 book by Daniel > > > Dennett > > > Either one should knock that old Cosmic Ego down from the tree of knowledge. > > > toombaru > > > > Edg: Toom, what kind of asshole are you to be so smug about your atheism such that you high hat me about it at a named " Nisargadatta " a man who was as religious as religious can be? There are two fullnesses, bub, get used to it. You're glomming onto the Atheistic side of Advaita is tawdry in intent, vilely anti-intellectual, and so blinded by denial that it's my sin to be found responding to your gunk as if it was substantive enough to merit any attention at all. Given what I know about karma, my compassion for your life is triggered, cuz for sure, anyone who do what you're doing here is doing this same kind of shit elsewhere and you're getting a fist to the jaw every day in every way as your due for this mental defect of haughty opining without the least scholarship. Are ya entering various churches during services to spit on the altars just to show the dummies what's what? Yes, you are, but you don't even recognize a church when you're in one. Life is sacred, and you're there screaming " all is mundane, there are no mysteries I have not pierced, there's no hope for anyone, you're all fools if you're not exactly like me. " > > > > As if. > > > > As if. > > > > As fucking if. > > > > Didn't your Mother ever wash your mind out with soap? > > > > Edg > > > > > > > Why does your God need such a strident defense? > > > > > toombaru > Edg: It wasn't a defense. It was a description of your lack of scholarship and your broken personality. Anyone who posts here as much as you do for the small audience here obviously needs to get a life. I write to see who I am at the moment of writing such that as time passes I get to see my conceptual evolution; each time the knowledge passes through me, I get just a bit clearer about it, and I welcome any criticisms if they are scholarly enough to recognize the axioms I am handling and can help me fine tune how I integrate them into a harmony. But, you write like a broken record mindlessly saying the exact same thing and thinking it's clever, insightful, meaningful, wise, etc. Your smug 'tude is odious and is certain to confuse any true seekers who have the misfortune to come here for an education in Advaita. What a curse you are to yourself. You can't be posting here like you do and not also be bothering others in regular life. Do you live in your mom's basement and sleep on old pizza boxes? I'd call you an idiot, but idiots are incapable of improving their intellects; you are an idiot by choice. Do you eat your boogers too? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > I would highly recommend either: > > > > > > > The Psychological Roots of Religious Belief: Searching for Angels and the > > > > Parent-God. Amherst, NY: Prometheus Books. 245 pp. > > > > or > > > > Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon, 2006 book by Daniel > > > > Dennett > > > > Either one should knock that old Cosmic Ego down from the tree of knowledge. > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Edg: Toom, what kind of asshole are you to be so smug about your atheism such that you high hat me about it at a named " Nisargadatta " a man who was as religious as religious can be? There are two fullnesses, bub, get used to it. You're glomming onto the Atheistic side of Advaita is tawdry in intent, vilely anti-intellectual, and so blinded by denial that it's my sin to be found responding to your gunk as if it was substantive enough to merit any attention at all. Given what I know about karma, my compassion for your life is triggered, cuz for sure, anyone who do what you're doing here is doing this same kind of shit elsewhere and you're getting a fist to the jaw every day in every way as your due for this mental defect of haughty opining without the least scholarship. Are ya entering various churches during services to spit on the altars just to show the dummies what's what? Yes, you are, but you don't even recognize a church when you're in one. Life is sacred, and you're there screaming " all is mundane, there are no mysteries I have not pierced, there's no hope for anyone, you're all fools if you're not exactly like me. " > > > > > > As if. > > > > > > As if. > > > > > > As fucking if. > > > > > > Didn't your Mother ever wash your mind out with soap? > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does your God need such a strident defense? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Edg: It wasn't a defense. It was a description of your lack of scholarship and your broken personality. Anyone who posts here as much as you do for the small audience here obviously needs to get a life. > > I write to see who I am at the moment of writing such that as time passes I get to see my conceptual evolution; So.....there's two parts to you? Your conceptual evolution and the watcher of that. each time the knowledge passes through me, I get just a bit clearer about it, and I welcome any criticisms if they are scholarly enough to recognize the axioms I am handling and can help me fine tune how I integrate them into a harmony. You don't want criticism. You want someone to reinforce your delusional belief structure......which by the way.......is not different than your own personal totality. And what you are doing is the normal fare for the human condition. There are not two of you.......there isn't even one. Ask your Cosmic Ego for clarity if you truly believe that it is a substanitial entity. But don't hold your breath. Either it can help you and it won't.....or it can't. Let me know what it does. > > But, you write like a broken record mindlessly saying the exact same thing and thinking it's clever, insightful, meaningful, wise, etc. Your smug 'tude is odious and is certain to confuse any true seekers who have the misfortune to come here for an education in Advaita. This is the kitchen. Things and ideas get cooked in rooms like these. Keep your precious pre-conceptions if you can. Go out there into the Shadowland. Pick up the prevailing rhythm and join the Zombee Jamboree. Wiggle your little butt with all the others. Or......be willing to question everything that you think you know. Just between you and me......you know nothing about things spiritual. No one does. That's because it's all make believe that originates in a make believe person. What a curse you are to yourself. You can't be posting here like you do and not also be bothering others in regular life. I don't care about the others. If you think you do.....you are lying to yourself. Do you live in your mom's basement and sleep on old pizza boxes? I'd call you an idiot, but idiots are incapable of improving their intellects; you are an idiot by choice. Do you eat your boogers too? > If you think that you can improve your intellect.....do that. If you think that you can figure all this out and spend the rest of your days in clarity......do that. But stop whining about someone who questions your delusional dream. Attacking the messenger is for spiritual infants. You came here out of your own petty self-ishness and your fondest wish is to attain your own personal perfection. Your angst for me does not originate in what you imagine to be aonther.....it is the face of your own doubt.....staring at your original face. I don't care what you do with this information. It is none of my business. You believe that you have a workable formula......try it out. ......see if it works. I see it as delusional. If you discover the " Cosmic Ego " ......bring it out here where I can see it and it will become your follower. Hey........how about a cup of coffee? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2009 At 01:36 PM 8/23/2009, you wrote: --- In Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg wrote: > > --- In Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > I would highly recommend either: > > > > > > > The Psychological Roots of Religious Belief: Searching for Angels and the > > > > Parent-God. Amherst, NY: Prometheus Books. 245 pp. > > > > or > > > > Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon, 2006 book by Daniel > > > > Dennett > > > > Either one should knock that old Cosmic Ego down from the tree of knowledge. > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Edg: Toom, what kind of asshole are you to be so smug about your atheism such that you high hat me about it at a named " Nisargadatta " a man who was as religious as religious can be? There are two fullnesses, bub, get used to it. You're glomming onto the Atheistic side of Advaita is tawdry in intent, vilely anti-intellectual, and so blinded by denial that it's my sin to be found responding to your gunk as if it was substantive enough to merit any attention at all. Given what I know about karma, my compassion for your life is triggered, cuz for sure, anyone who do what you're doing here is doing this same kind of shit elsewhere and you're getting a fist to the jaw every day in every way as your due for this mental defect of haughty opining without the least scholarship. Are ya entering various churches during services to spit on the altars just to show the dummies what's what? Yes, you are, but you don't even recognize a church when you're in one. Life is sacred, and you're there screaming " all is mundane, there are no mysteries I have not pierced, there's no hope for anyone, you're all fools if you're not exactly like me. " > > > > > > As if. > > > > > > As if. > > > > > > As fucking if. > > > > > > Didn't your Mother ever wash your mind out with soap? > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does your God need such a strident defense? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Edg: It wasn't a defense. It was a description of your lack of scholarship and your broken personality. Anyone who posts here as much as you do for the small audience here obviously needs to get a life. > > I write to see who I am at the moment of writing such that as time passes I get to see my conceptual evolution; So.....there's two parts to you? Your conceptual evolution and the watcher of that. Edg: No, you philosophical thug who thinks high-hatting is Advaitic. After all my posts here, you're still thinking that I don't get the difference between ego and Self? Shows that you're not really trying to engage in a conversation if you can't even read. each time the knowledge passes through me, I get just a bit clearer about it, and I welcome any criticisms if they are scholarly enough to recognize the axioms I am handling and can help me fine tune how I integrate them into a harmony. You don't want criticism. You want someone to reinforce your delusional belief structure......which by the way.......is not different than your own personal totality. Edg: No, you spiritual wart who thinks enlightenment validates smug haughtiness. I plainly indicate that I want interactions that actually handle the axioms I champion such that my definitions for the keywords becomes clearer. Yes, I defend my point of view, but no, I am not attached to a point of view that never changes, and the proof of that is that I have evolved over the years in how I write about these concepts. And what you are doing is the normal fare for the human condition. There are not two of you.......there isn't even one. Edg: No, you cosmic wart who thinks one concept fits all sizes. You're embracing merely one side of Advaita without even grokkinng that side. Advaita is NOT about invalidating creation and besmirching the very REASON behind it's manifesting. Advaita is about bringing life into balance with both relative and Absolute enjoyed. Ask your Cosmic Ego for clarity if you truly believe that it is a substanitial entity. Edg: Again you show you cannot read you intellectual mugger who thinks he's got me all understood in a single nutshell. I have not indicated in any post here that the Cosmic Ego is to be prayed to or honored or respected or considered immortal or complete. You merely want to falsely categorize me in order to sustain your onslaught of smuggery. But don't hold your breath. Either it can help you and it won't.....or it can't. Let me know what it does. Edg: Why in the fuck would I report back anything to you went you're such a Republican style debater? You disrespect me on the grounds that you're soooooooo advaitically tuned that you get to be some sort of ego-comeuppance expert -- as if, as fucking if. Your incessant posting here is the tell -- you're scrambling for the egoic pleasure of putting someone down while pretending that you're doing some sort of sacred duty. > But, you write like a broken record mindlessly saying the exact same thing and thinking it's clever, insightful, meaningful, wise, etc. Your smug 'tude is odious and is certain to confuse any true seekers who have the misfortune to come here for an education in Advaita. This is the kitchen. Things and ideas get cooked in rooms like these. Keep your precious pre-conceptions if you can. Go out there into the Shadowland. Pick up the prevailing rhythm and join the Zombee Jamboree. Wiggle your little butt with all the others. Edg: Such vile name calling. Such a hatred for life. What a joke you are -- as in " bad joke that no one laughs at. " Or......be willing to question everything that you think you know. Edg: I have presented axiom after axiom here, and you have not handled any of them. The last question you ever sincerely asked was " Mom, when are you going to change my diaper? " Just between you and me......you know nothing about things spiritual. No one does. That's because it's all make believe that originates in a make believe person.' Edg: Oh, so there's a you and there's a me, but you get to try to shame me in public by saying there is no you and no me. This is your typical low integrity -- what a fuckhead you are. You're a troll amongst mainly trolls here, trying to be the leader of the trolls by marauding my innocent ass. What a curse you are to yourself. You can't be posting here like you do and not also be bothering others in regular life. I don't care about the others. If you think you do.....you are lying to yourself. Edg: There's your fucking confession right there. You don't care about others, but here you are espousing as if you know Advaita which is a premier defender of heart values. What an odious creep. Do you live in your mom's basement and sleep on old pizza boxes? I'd call you an idiot, but idiots are incapable of improving their intellects; you are an idiot by choice. Do you eat your boogers too? > If you think that you can improve your intellect.....do that. If you think that you can figure all this out and spend the rest of your days in clarity......do that. But stop whining about someone who questions your delusional dream. Edg: You have yet to question me. You are only bashing me and being smug about it. You can't handle the concepts so you spit on them and call it a day. Attacking the messenger is for spiritual infants. Edg: You started it, and I'm the kinda guy who'll point it out. You are not a messenger -- and that's so obvious that it shocks to see that you don't see that you have no message of any practical worth. I doubt you've ever done inquiry. I doubt you've studied Advaita. I doubt you have a human heart. You came here out of your own petty self-ishness and your fondest wish is to attain your own personal perfection. Edg: Yeah? So? Who isn't in my straits? Let's put some cards on the table: who here thinks they're perfect or that perfection of one's spirituality is some sort of worthless enterprise? The fact that anyone is posting here belies their presentations as knowers. Your angst for me does not originate in what you imagine to be aonther.....it is the face of your own doubt.....staring at your original face. Edg: Now you're just babbling. I don't care what you do with this information. It is none of my business. You believe that you have a workable formula......try it out. ......see if it works. I see it as delusional. Edg: Name calling -- again and again. You can't even write up a decent description of my so-called " formula " or what would be a metric for determining if it works. You refuse to handle concepts and resort to mere spitballing. If you discover the " Cosmic Ego " ......bring it out here where I can see it and it will become your follower. Hey........how about a cup of coffee? toombaru Edg: Anyone who uses the tawdry tactics that you're so fond off would be my last choice to have coffee with. But, hey, let's have coffee and see if I have the personal will power to stop myself from punching you in your sneering face? It would be a personal challenge that I'd love to fail at. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2009 Edg: Anyone who uses the tawdry tactics that you're so fond off would be my last choice to have coffee with. But, hey, let's have coffee and see if I have the personal will power to stop myself from punching you in your sneering face? It would be a personal challenge that I'd love to fail at. Ahhhh yes........the violence card. I will leave you alone with your Cosmic Ego. Perhaps someday you will find the perfection that exists only in your own mind........perhaps not. Good-bye toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > Edg: Anyone who uses the tawdry tactics that you're so fond off > would be my last choice to have coffee with. Hey Toom... I'd be interested in having coffee with ya, if ever in the Seattle area, fwiw. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Edg: Anyone who uses the tawdry tactics that you're so fond off > > would be my last choice to have coffee with. > > Hey Toom... I'd be interested in having coffee with ya, if ever in the Seattle area, fwiw. > I would like nothing more. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Edg: Anyone who uses the tawdry tactics that you're so fond off > > > would be my last choice to have coffee with. > > > > Hey Toom... I'd be interested in having coffee with ya, if ever in the Seattle area, fwiw. > > > > > I would like nothing more. > > > > > toombaru I'd enjoy it too... drop me an Email anytime, if in the area. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Edg: Anyone who uses the tawdry tactics that you're so fond off > > > > would be my last choice to have coffee with. > > > > > > Hey Toom... I'd be interested in having coffee with ya, if ever in the Seattle area, fwiw. > > > > > > > > > I would like nothing more. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > I'd enjoy it too... drop me an Email anytime, if in the area. > :-) toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2009 - fewtch Nisargadatta Monday, August 24, 2009 3:05 PM Re: Foundation Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > Edg: Anyone who uses the tawdry tactics that you're so fond off > would be my last choice to have coffee with. Hey Toom... I'd be interested in having coffee with ya, if ever in the Seattle area, fwiw. -t- You are both invited for a coffee here in florianopolis - brazil. BTW...I'll make one now...and share it with you.. :>)) I wont invite edg because I think they dont allow coffee for patients at the mental dpt...even if they are let out for a couple of days. Camomila tea is more apropriate. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090816-0, 17/08/2009 Tested on: 24/8/2009 15:25:05 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > fewtch > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 24, 2009 3:05 PM > Re: Foundation > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Edg: Anyone who uses the tawdry tactics that you're so fond off > > would be my last choice to have coffee with. > > Hey Toom... I'd be interested in having coffee with ya, if ever in the > Seattle area, fwiw. > -t- > > You are both invited for a coffee here in florianopolis - brazil. BTW...I'll > make one now...and share it with you.. :>)) > I wont invite edg because I think they dont allow coffee for patients at the > mental dpt...even if they are let out for a couple of days. Camomila tea is > more apropriate. > -geo- > > > > > > Do your really live in Brazil? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Monday, August 24, 2009 3:54 PM Re: Foundation Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > fewtch > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 24, 2009 3:05 PM > Re: Foundation > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Edg: Anyone who uses the tawdry tactics that you're so fond off > > would be my last choice to have coffee with. > > Hey Toom... I'd be interested in having coffee with ya, if ever in the > Seattle area, fwiw. > -t- > > You are both invited for a coffee here in florianopolis - brazil. > BTW...I'll > make one now...and share it with you.. :>)) > I wont invite edg because I think they dont allow coffee for patients at > the > mental dpt...even if they are let out for a couple of days. Camomila tea > is > more apropriate. > -geo- > > > > > > Do your really live in Brazil? toombaru Yes. Florianopolis, capital of Santa Catarina state - Southern Brazil. A beautiful island. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090816-0, 17/08/2009 Tested on: 24/8/2009 16:01:07 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 24, 2009 3:54 PM > Re: Foundation > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > fewtch > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, August 24, 2009 3:05 PM > > Re: Foundation > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Edg: Anyone who uses the tawdry tactics that you're so fond off > > > would be my last choice to have coffee with. > > > > Hey Toom... I'd be interested in having coffee with ya, if ever in the > > Seattle area, fwiw. > > -t- > > > > You are both invited for a coffee here in florianopolis - brazil. > > BTW...I'll > > make one now...and share it with you.. :>)) > > I wont invite edg because I think they dont allow coffee for patients at > > the > > mental dpt...even if they are let out for a couple of days. Camomila tea > > is > > more apropriate. > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do your really live in Brazil? > > toombaru > > Yes. Florianopolis, capital of Santa Catarina state - Southern Brazil. A > beautiful island. > -geo- > > > > How grand is that? :-) How did you come across Nisargadatta? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2009 - fewtch Nisargadatta Monday, August 24, 2009 4:03 PM Re: Foundation Nisargadatta , "geo" <inandor wrote:>> > - > fewtch> Nisargadatta > Monday, August 24, 2009 3:05 PM> Re: Foundation> > > Nisargadatta , "toombaru2006" <lastrain@> wrote:> >> >> > Edg: Anyone who uses the tawdry tactics that you're so fond off> > would be my last choice to have coffee with.> > Hey Toom... I'd be interested in having coffee with ya, if ever in the > Seattle area, fwiw.> -t-> > You are both invited for a coffee here in florianopolis - brazil. > BTW...I'll > make one now...and share it with you.. :>))Email an ASCII picture of the coffee ;-).If the money to fly to Brazil is included, I'll take ya up on the offer... otherwise, might be a little far to go for a cup of coffee. -t- \\ // -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090816-0, 17/08/2009Tested on: 24/8/2009 16:07:57avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Monday, August 24, 2009 4:14 PM Re: Foundation Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 24, 2009 3:54 PM > Re: Foundation > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > fewtch > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, August 24, 2009 3:05 PM > > Re: Foundation > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Edg: Anyone who uses the tawdry tactics that you're so fond off > > > would be my last choice to have coffee with. > > > > Hey Toom... I'd be interested in having coffee with ya, if ever in the > > Seattle area, fwiw. > > -t- > > > > You are both invited for a coffee here in florianopolis - brazil. > > BTW...I'll > > make one now...and share it with you.. :>)) > > I wont invite edg because I think they dont allow coffee for patients at > > the > > mental dpt...even if they are let out for a couple of days. Camomila tea > > is > > more apropriate. > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do your really live in Brazil? > > toombaru > > Yes. Florianopolis, capital of Santa Catarina state - Southern Brazil. A > beautiful island. > -geo- > > > > How grand is that? :-) How did you come across Nisargadatta? toombaru A few month ago I visited the advaita page. Attended a few of Waynes online meetings...and while I waited for the sheduled time I started reading things in the site. I liked Nis and managed to download all of his books from different sources and P2P programs. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090816-0, 17/08/2009 Tested on: 24/8/2009 16:16:04 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 24, 2009 4:14 PM > Re: Foundation > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, August 24, 2009 3:54 PM > > Re: Foundation > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > fewtch > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, August 24, 2009 3:05 PM > > > Re: Foundation > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Edg: Anyone who uses the tawdry tactics that you're so fond off > > > > would be my last choice to have coffee with. > > > > > > Hey Toom... I'd be interested in having coffee with ya, if ever in the > > > Seattle area, fwiw. > > > -t- > > > > > > You are both invited for a coffee here in florianopolis - brazil. > > > BTW...I'll > > > make one now...and share it with you.. :>)) > > > I wont invite edg because I think they dont allow coffee for patients at > > > the > > > mental dpt...even if they are let out for a couple of days. Camomila tea > > > is > > > more apropriate. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do your really live in Brazil? > > > > toombaru > > > > Yes. Florianopolis, capital of Santa Catarina state - Southern Brazil. A > > beautiful island. > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > How grand is that? > :-) > > How did you come across Nisargadatta? > > toombaru > > A few month ago I visited the advaita page. Attended a few of Waynes online > meetings...and while I waited for the sheduled time I started reading things > in the site. I liked Nis and managed to download all of his books from > different sources and P2P programs. > -geo- > > > > > > That's surprising. Everyone that I know came upon Nisargadatta after many years of searching. He usually turns off those who are goal oriented. :-) A bow to you and your jumping into the void. I just looked up your island on Google Earth. Wow! toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Monday, August 24, 2009 4:45 PM Re: Foundation Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 24, 2009 4:14 PM > Re: Foundation > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, August 24, 2009 3:54 PM > > Re: Foundation > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > fewtch > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, August 24, 2009 3:05 PM > > > Re: Foundation > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Edg: Anyone who uses the tawdry tactics that you're so fond off > > > > would be my last choice to have coffee with. > > > > > > Hey Toom... I'd be interested in having coffee with ya, if ever in the > > > Seattle area, fwiw. > > > -t- > > > > > > You are both invited for a coffee here in florianopolis - brazil. > > > BTW...I'll > > > make one now...and share it with you.. :>)) > > > I wont invite edg because I think they dont allow coffee for patients > > > at > > > the > > > mental dpt...even if they are let out for a couple of days. Camomila > > > tea > > > is > > > more apropriate. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do your really live in Brazil? > > > > toombaru > > > > Yes. Florianopolis, capital of Santa Catarina state - Southern Brazil. A > > beautiful island. > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > How grand is that? > :-) > > How did you come across Nisargadatta? > > toombaru > > A few month ago I visited the advaita page. Attended a few of Waynes > online > meetings...and while I waited for the sheduled time I started reading > things > in the site. I liked Nis and managed to download all of his books from > different sources and P2P programs. > -geo- > > > > > > That's surprising. Everyone that I know came upon Nisargadatta after many years of searching. He usually turns off those who are goal oriented. :-) A bow to you and your jumping into the void. I just looked up your island on Google Earth. Wow! toombaru His goal is the " I " - BTW....the same as mine. :>) -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 24, 2009 4:45 PM > Re: Foundation > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, August 24, 2009 4:14 PM > > Re: Foundation > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, August 24, 2009 3:54 PM > > > Re: Foundation > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > fewtch > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, August 24, 2009 3:05 PM > > > > Re: Foundation > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edg: Anyone who uses the tawdry tactics that you're so fond off > > > > > would be my last choice to have coffee with. > > > > > > > > Hey Toom... I'd be interested in having coffee with ya, if ever in the > > > > Seattle area, fwiw. > > > > -t- > > > > > > > > You are both invited for a coffee here in florianopolis - brazil. > > > > BTW...I'll > > > > make one now...and share it with you.. :>)) > > > > I wont invite edg because I think they dont allow coffee for patients > > > > at > > > > the > > > > mental dpt...even if they are let out for a couple of days. Camomila > > > > tea > > > > is > > > > more apropriate. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do your really live in Brazil? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Yes. Florianopolis, capital of Santa Catarina state - Southern Brazil. A > > > beautiful island. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How grand is that? > > :-) > > > > How did you come across Nisargadatta? > > > > toombaru > > > > A few month ago I visited the advaita page. Attended a few of Waynes > > online > > meetings...and while I waited for the sheduled time I started reading > > things > > in the site. I liked Nis and managed to download all of his books from > > different sources and P2P programs. > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's surprising. > > Everyone that I know came upon Nisargadatta after many years of searching. > > He usually turns off those who are goal oriented. > > :-) > > A bow to you and your jumping into the void. > > I just looked up your island on Google Earth. > > Wow! > > toombaru > > His goal is the " I " - BTW....the same as mine. :>) > -geo- > His goal transcends and is antithetical to the sense of I am. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > His goal transcends and is antithetical to the sense of I am. > > > > > toombaru It transcends, but is not antithetical at all, Toom. In fact, his main recommendation was to remain with the sense of " I Am " , until transcended. The " I Am " cannot be transcended through avoidance. This is plain impossible. In fact, the " I Am's " goal is to avoid, get rid of, change, escape itself. To lose oneself, find oneself. All else is mere conceptual repetition, thinking. All that we have that isn't thinking, is Being. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 25, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Monday, August 24, 2009 6:56 PM Re: Foundation Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 24, 2009 4:45 PM > Re: Foundation > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, August 24, 2009 4:14 PM > > Re: Foundation > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, August 24, 2009 3:54 PM > > > Re: Foundation > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > fewtch > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, August 24, 2009 3:05 PM > > > > Re: Foundation > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edg: Anyone who uses the tawdry tactics that you're so fond off > > > > > would be my last choice to have coffee with. > > > > > > > > Hey Toom... I'd be interested in having coffee with ya, if ever in > > > > the > > > > Seattle area, fwiw. > > > > -t- > > > > > > > > You are both invited for a coffee here in florianopolis - brazil. > > > > BTW...I'll > > > > make one now...and share it with you.. :>)) > > > > I wont invite edg because I think they dont allow coffee for > > > > patients > > > > at > > > > the > > > > mental dpt...even if they are let out for a couple of days. Camomila > > > > tea > > > > is > > > > more apropriate. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do your really live in Brazil? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Yes. Florianopolis, capital of Santa Catarina state - Southern Brazil. > > > A > > > beautiful island. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How grand is that? > > :-) > > > > How did you come across Nisargadatta? > > > > toombaru > > > > A few month ago I visited the advaita page. Attended a few of Waynes > > online > > meetings...and while I waited for the sheduled time I started reading > > things > > in the site. I liked Nis and managed to download all of his books from > > different sources and P2P programs. > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's surprising. > > Everyone that I know came upon Nisargadatta after many years of searching. > > He usually turns off those who are goal oriented. > > :-) > > A bow to you and your jumping into the void. > > I just looked up your island on Google Earth. > > Wow! > > toombaru > > His goal is the " I " - BTW....the same as mine. :>) > -geo- > His goal transcends and is antithetical to the sense of I am. toombaru Indeed. Paradoxicaly (seemingly the door to the no-I must go throught I. Those who are never aware of their I can not transcend it. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
