Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2009 - fewtch Nisargadatta Friday, August 21, 2009 7:15 AM Foundation There is a foundation on which all rests. Unsupported itself, without parts, Without time or place or historical location, It alone is. All else merely appears. -t- I understand that for one who havent gorked it...sounds like some mystic heaven beyond, although it is the closest most obvious presence. The thing is exactly the opposite of what it seems: not groking it... is a result of a search outside what IS. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090816-0, 17/08/2009 Tested on: 21/8/2009 07:18:46 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > There is a foundation on which all rests. > > Unsupported itself, without parts, > > Without time or place or historical location, > > It alone is. > > All else merely appears. > It is changless, formless and infinite Marc Ps: not to forget....timelessness included Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > There is a foundation on which all rests. > > Unsupported itself, without parts, > > Without time or place or historical location, > > It alone is. > > All else merely appears. > A big enough smash on your head and that foundation is gone. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > There is a foundation on which all rests. > > > > Unsupported itself, without parts, > > > > Without time or place or historical location, > > > > It alone is. > > > > All else merely appears. > > > > > A big enough smash on your head and that foundation is gone. > > Werner Is that what you want, Werner... to smash people's heads? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > There is a foundation on which all rests. > > > > > > Unsupported itself, without parts, > > > > > > Without time or place or historical location, > > > > > > It alone is. > > > > > > All else merely appears. > > > > > > > > > A big enough smash on your head and that foundation is gone. > > > > Werner > > Is that what you want, Werner... to smash people's heads? > Haha beware, fewtimch, But what I want is that all this non-dual nonsense to return to where it orginated from: Books and scriptures. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Haha beware, fewtimch, > > But what I want is that all this non-dual nonsense to return to where it orginated from: Books and scriptures. > > Werner It's been said many-a-time -- if you don't like it, don't read it. But you do " like " it. And " hate " it. You want it to stop, but can't let go. Story of life. You could always keep reading, but stop complaining. Nobody cares. Nobody really even knows you exist, but you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Haha beware, fewtimch, > > > > But what I want is that all this non-dual nonsense to return to where it orginated from: Books and scriptures. > > > > Werner > > It's been said many-a-time -- if you don't like it, don't read it. > > But you do " like " it. And " hate " it. > > You want it to stop, but can't let go. > > Story of life. > > You could always keep reading, but stop complaining. > > Nobody cares. > > Nobody really even knows you exist, but you. > lol that's of great foundation....this discussions in here.... don't need to go to cinema today!... lol Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2009 - wwoehr Nisargadatta Friday, August 21, 2009 8:00 AM Re: Foundation Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > There is a foundation on which all rests. > > > > > > Unsupported itself, without parts, > > > > > > Without time or place or historical location, > > > > > > It alone is. > > > > > > All else merely appears. > > > > > > > > > A big enough smash on your head and that foundation is gone. > > > > Werner > > Is that what you want, Werner... to smash people's heads? > Haha beware, fewtimch, But what I want is that all this non-dual nonsense to return to where it orginated from: Books and scriptures. Werner In other words...what IS is dual. Which two are you referring to? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090816-0, 17/08/2009 Tested on: 21/8/2009 09:47:18 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > There is a foundation on which all rests. > > > > > > > > Unsupported itself, without parts, > > > > > > > > Without time or place or historical location, > > > > > > > > It alone is. > > > > > > > > All else merely appears. > > > > > > > > > > > > > A big enough smash on your head and that foundation is gone. > > > > > > Werner > > > > Is that what you want, Werner... to smash people's heads? > > > > > Haha beware, fewtimch, > > But what I want is that all this non-dual nonsense to return to where it orginated from: Books and scriptures. > > Werner > >It originated experientially and then was written in books. If " you " don't experience or like it then just bow out of this site. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Haha beware, fewtimch, > > > > > > But what I want is that all this non-dual nonsense to return to where it orginated from: Books and scriptures. > > > > > > Werner > > > > It's been said many-a-time -- if you don't like it, don't read it. > > > > But you do " like " it. And " hate " it. > > > > You want it to stop, but can't let go. > > > > Story of life. > > > > You could always keep reading, but stop complaining. > > > > Nobody cares. > > > > Nobody really even knows you exist, but you. > > > > lol > > that's of great foundation....this discussions in here.... > > don't need to go to cinema today!... > > lol > > > Marc > >At least watch TV and stop the lol. I can hear it from where i sit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > There is a foundation on which all rests. > > Unsupported itself, without parts, > > Without time or place or historical location, > > It alone is. > > All else merely appears. > A big enough smash on your head and that foundation is gone. > Werner Edg: Werner, THE core axiom of Advaita is that THAT, though beyond concept and materiality, is yet, somehow, eternal -- it reeks with alwaysnessitudiosity. THAT may or may not be " lived " by the unsmashed individual, but THAT is the only " entity " that COULD be embodied by anyTHING just as ALL things in a dream CAN come from a source that survives even when the dream ends. The least sentient thing is yet saturated with the consciousness from which it manifested -- just as anything in a dream comes from one source. Christ spoke of rocks crying out if He didn't preach -- it was His way of saying that, as they might be in a dream, rocks in waking life are as much " from the source " as a " dream character's thoughts " are from its source. In a dream we can have talking rocks that speak as if sentient just as much as dream characters can wear those Emperor's Clothes. Christ merely said, " What's not dreamy about waking life? Even here, rocks can be so morally outraged by " a silent Christ " that they dump their limitations and become loudspeakers for that which Christ so ardently was preaching. It's like Krishna threatening to jump off the chariot and fight even when he promised not to -- a rock can go along for billions of years being silent, but it'll speak up if prodded " just so. " And, just so, too, Werner, some waking life rock can smash your " sweatbreads of Hannibal Lecter " and yet THAT from which you sprang can manifest any thought you might have had prior to being goo-ified through any other object of consciousness. If Werner isn't there to say it, any rock can be used to speak it for him. THAT which manifests " Werner " ceases not its " wernering. " Just try to stop wernering, and it's like pinching a water hose shut only to find that the hose has many small leaks from which the water stymied by your smashedness can yet jet outwards with more wernerness. There's your immortality that cannot be crushed. Don't you feel it? When you look into silence, don't you hear it screaming " I must wernerize all creations NO MATTER WHAT. " Don't you feel the universal urge to wernerize infinitely? It's like being on a skateboard at the top of Lombard Street in San Fransisco and then having God additionally push your ass down that snaky street like Hawk with afterburners blazing. Any desire that you've ever had cannot be thwarted. Whatever Werner wants or ever wanted or ever could want is like gravity pulling you down that hill, and God just wants to help you get there faster. If Werner dies on the way down, no matter to God. Something " wernerish " in someone somewhere somewhen will be finding itself having that desire and when it gets fulfilled, the " Werner oversoul " will be thusly sated. Creation doesn't have Werner in it by mistake, ya see? And if we want to get into string theory, why, Werner is beyond time and space such that we have every possible version of Werner existing. There's a universe somewherewhen that a Werner that is identical to you that is reading this post -- except that post has the period missing at the end of this sentence Or, is it this one? There's so many creations with Werner in them that I get confused. Paradox is grand. And you, my dear Werner, are a grandness piano perfectly tuned. O best little blade of grass . . . Edg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > There is a foundation on which all rests. > > > Unsupported itself, without parts, > > > Without time or place or historical location, > > > It alone is. > > > All else merely appears. > > > A big enough smash on your head and that foundation is gone. > > Werner > > Edg: Werner, THE core axiom of Advaita is that THAT, though beyond concept and materiality, is yet, somehow, eternal -- it reeks with alwaysnessitudiosity. > > THAT may or may not be " lived " by the unsmashed individual, but THAT is the only " entity " that COULD be embodied by anyTHING just as ALL things in a dream CAN come from a source that survives even when the dream ends. The least sentient thing is yet saturated with the consciousness from which it manifested -- just as anything in a dream comes from one source. > > Christ spoke of rocks crying out if He didn't preach -- it was His way of saying that, as they might be in a dream, rocks in waking life are as much " from the source " as a " dream character's thoughts " are from its source. In a dream we can have talking rocks that speak as if sentient just as much as dream characters can wear those Emperor's Clothes. Christ merely said, " What's not dreamy about waking life? Even here, rocks can be so morally outraged by " a silent Christ " that they dump their limitations and become loudspeakers for that which Christ so ardently was preaching. It's like Krishna threatening to jump off the chariot and fight even when he promised not to -- a rock can go along for billions of years being silent, but it'll speak up if prodded " just so. " > > And, just so, too, Werner, some waking life rock can smash your " sweatbreads of Hannibal Lecter " and yet THAT from which you sprang can manifest any thought you might have had prior to being goo-ified through any other object of consciousness. If Werner isn't there to say it, any rock can be used to speak it for him. > > THAT which manifests " Werner " ceases not its " wernering. " Just try to stop wernering, and it's like pinching a water hose shut only to find that the hose has many small leaks from which the water stymied by your smashedness can yet jet outwards with more wernerness. > > There's your immortality that cannot be crushed. > > Don't you feel it? When you look into silence, don't you hear it screaming " I must wernerize all creations NO MATTER WHAT. " Don't you feel the universal urge to wernerize infinitely? > > It's like being on a skateboard at the top of Lombard Street in San Fransisco and then having God additionally push your ass down that snaky street like Hawk with afterburners blazing. Any desire that you've ever had cannot be thwarted. Whatever Werner wants or ever wanted or ever could want is like gravity pulling you down that hill, and God just wants to help you get there faster. If Werner dies on the way down, no matter to God. Something " wernerish " in someone somewhere somewhen will be finding itself having that desire and when it gets fulfilled, the " Werner oversoul " will be thusly sated. > > Creation doesn't have Werner in it by mistake, ya see? And if we want to get into string theory, why, Werner is beyond time and space such that we have every possible version of Werner existing. There's a universe somewherewhen that a Werner that is identical to you that is reading this post -- except that post has the period missing at the end of this sentence > > Or, is it this one? There's so many creations with Werner in them that I get confused. > > Paradox is grand. > > And you, my dear Werner, are a grandness piano perfectly tuned. > > O best little blade of grass . . . > > Edg > >Edg you're back! Wanted you to explain to me your concept of the Cosmic Ego. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Haha beware, fewtimch, > > > > > > But what I want is that all this non-dual nonsense to return to where it orginated from: Books and scriptures. > > > > > > Werner > > > > It's been said many-a-time -- if you don't like it, don't read it. > > > > But you do " like " it. And " hate " it. > > > > You want it to stop, but can't let go. > > > > Story of life. > > > > You could always keep reading, but stop complaining. > > > > Nobody cares. > > > > Nobody really even knows you exist, but you. > > > > lol > > that's of great foundation....this discussions in here.... > > don't need to go to cinema today!... > > lol > > > Marc Nisargadatta: " What business have you with saving the world, when all the world needs is to be saved from you? " LOL... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Haha beware, fewtimch, > > > > > > > > But what I want is that all this non-dual nonsense to return to where it orginated from: Books and scriptures. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > It's been said many-a-time -- if you don't like it, don't read it. > > > > > > But you do " like " it. And " hate " it. > > > > > > You want it to stop, but can't let go. > > > > > > Story of life. > > > > > > You could always keep reading, but stop complaining. > > > > > > Nobody cares. > > > > > > Nobody really even knows you exist, but you. > > > > > > > lol > > > > that's of great foundation....this discussions in here.... > > > > don't need to go to cinema today!... > > > > lol > > > > > > Marc > > Nisargadatta: " What business have you with saving the world, when all the world needs is to be saved from you? " > > LOL... > lol this one is good! ..... Yeah....if there weren't all this pseudo Nis. experts around....all this kindergarten kids hanging around....shouting to their imaginary world like little baby champs to the mother.... .....Nothing! would be different....within this their little self made prisons....lol Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Haha beware, fewtimch, > > > > > > > > > > But what I want is that all this non-dual nonsense to return to where it orginated from: Books and scriptures. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > It's been said many-a-time -- if you don't like it, don't read it. > > > > > > > > But you do " like " it. And " hate " it. > > > > > > > > You want it to stop, but can't let go. > > > > > > > > Story of life. > > > > > > > > You could always keep reading, but stop complaining. > > > > > > > > Nobody cares. > > > > > > > > Nobody really even knows you exist, but you. > > > > > > > > > > lol > > > > > > that's of great foundation....this discussions in here.... > > > > > > don't need to go to cinema today!... > > > > > > lol > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > Nisargadatta: " What business have you with saving the world, when all the world needs is to be saved from you? " > > > > LOL... > > > > lol > > this one is good! > > .... > > Yeah....if there weren't all this pseudo Nis. experts around....all this kindergarten kids hanging around....shouting to their imaginary world like little baby champs to the mother.... > > ....Nothing! would be different....within this their little self made prisons....lol > > > Marc Neither self-made nor other-made really, but just happens that way because of the dualistic poles, because the universe is as it is. Realizing this definitely is the end of having any further problems with it, the whole 'self and other' game and the world as it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha beware, fewtimch, > > > > > > > > > > > > But what I want is that all this non-dual nonsense to return to where it orginated from: Books and scriptures. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > It's been said many-a-time -- if you don't like it, don't read it. > > > > > > > > > > But you do " like " it. And " hate " it. > > > > > > > > > > You want it to stop, but can't let go. > > > > > > > > > > Story of life. > > > > > > > > > > You could always keep reading, but stop complaining. > > > > > > > > > > Nobody cares. > > > > > > > > > > Nobody really even knows you exist, but you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > lol > > > > > > > > that's of great foundation....this discussions in here.... > > > > > > > > don't need to go to cinema today!... > > > > > > > > lol > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " What business have you with saving the world, when all the world needs is to be saved from you? " > > > > > > LOL... > > > > > > > lol > > > > this one is good! > > > > .... > > > > Yeah....if there weren't all this pseudo Nis. experts around....all this kindergarten kids hanging around....shouting to their imaginary world like little baby champs to the mother.... > > > > ....Nothing! would be different....within this their little self made prisons....lol > > > > > > Marc > > Neither self-made nor other-made really, but just happens that way because of the dualistic poles, because the universe is as it is. > > Realizing this definitely is the end of having any further problems with it, the whole 'self and other' game and the world as it is. > there is no end of problems.... because there never have been any problems... neither before " Tim " , nor during " Tim " , nor after " Tim " ..... " Tim " Is the whole problem .... Such problem " Tim " ....get some (funny) problems with " Werner " ....as for example ..... This imaginary enlightenment of " Tim " isn't even the enlightenment of " Tim " ... It has been there before " Tim " ...and will be there after " Tim " . Such enlightenment is this your mentionned " foundation " , continiously present within all there is...also in the cow....and, depending the eyes and heart of the observer....also in the " tree " , the " fish " , the " elefant " , ....and even in " Werner " .... get peace " Tim " Marc Ps: love to you all wish a nice WE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > there is no end of problems.... > because there never have been any problems... > > neither before " Tim " , nor during " Tim " , nor after " Tim " > > .... > > " Tim " Is the whole problem > > ... > > Such problem " Tim " ....get some (funny) problems with " Werner " ....as > for example I'm having fun with this stuff, enjoying it. There's no compulsion to post here, despite Pete's whining and Werner's whining and whoever else whining. What is happening now, is happening now, and there's no problem with that. > This imaginary enlightenment of " Tim " isn't even the enlightenment > of " Tim " ... What imaginary enlightenment of " Tim " are you talking about? You first imagine a continuous " Tim " , then say he's imaginarily enlightened? Why imagine a " Tim " in the first place? There are just words appearing here, why paste a label onto them? > get peace " Tim " > > > > > > Marc Thanks for the well-wishes, " Marc " ... wish yourself well first, then worry about 'others' later, they will be added on anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > There is a foundation on which all rests. > > > > Unsupported itself, without parts, > > > > Without time or place or historical location, > > > > It alone is. > > > > All else merely appears. > > > > > A big enough smash on your head and that foundation is gone. > > > Werner > > > > Edg: Werner, THE core axiom of Advaita is that THAT, though beyond concept and materiality, is yet, somehow, eternal -- it reeks with alwaysnessitudiosity. > > > > THAT may or may not be " lived " by the unsmashed individual, but THAT is the only " entity " that COULD be embodied by anyTHING just as ALL things in a dream CAN come from a source that survives even when the dream ends. The least sentient thing is yet saturated with the consciousness from which it manifested -- just as anything in a dream comes from one source. > > > > Christ spoke of rocks crying out if He didn't preach -- it was His way of saying that, as they might be in a dream, rocks in waking life are as much " from the source " as a " dream character's thoughts " are from its source. In a dream we can have talking rocks that speak as if sentient just as much as dream characters can wear those Emperor's Clothes. Christ merely said, " What's not dreamy about waking life? Even here, rocks can be so morally outraged by " a silent Christ " that they dump their limitations and become loudspeakers for that which Christ so ardently was preaching. It's like Krishna threatening to jump off the chariot and fight even when he promised not to -- a rock can go along for billions of years being silent, but it'll speak up if prodded " just so. " > > > > And, just so, too, Werner, some waking life rock can smash your " sweatbreads of Hannibal Lecter " and yet THAT from which you sprang can manifest any thought you might have had prior to being goo-ified through any other object of consciousness. If Werner isn't there to say it, any rock can be used to speak it for him. > > > > THAT which manifests " Werner " ceases not its " wernering. " Just try to stop wernering, and it's like pinching a water hose shut only to find that the hose has many small leaks from which the water stymied by your smashedness can yet jet outwards with more wernerness. > > > > There's your immortality that cannot be crushed. > > > > Don't you feel it? When you look into silence, don't you hear it screaming " I must wernerize all creations NO MATTER WHAT. " Don't you feel the universal urge to wernerize infinitely? > > > > It's like being on a skateboard at the top of Lombard Street in San Fransisco and then having God additionally push your ass down that snaky street like Tony Hawk with afterburners blazing. Any desire that you've ever had cannot be thwarted. Whatever Werner wants or ever wanted or ever could want is like gravity pulling you down that hill, and God just wants to help you get there faster. If Werner dies on the way down, no matter to God. Something " wernerish " in someone somewhere somewhen will be finding itself having that desire and when it gets fulfilled, the " Werner oversoul " will be thusly sated. > > > > Creation doesn't have Werner in it by mistake, ya see? And if we want to get into string theory, why, Werner is beyond time and space such that we have every possible version of Werner existing. There's a universe somewherewhen that a Werner that is identical to you that is reading this post -- except that post has the period missing at the end of this sentence > > > > Or, is it this one? There's so many creations with Werner in them that I get confused. > > > > Paradox is grand. > > > > And you, my dear Werner, are a grandness piano perfectly tuned. > > > > O best little blade of grass . . . > > > > Edg > > > >Edg you're back! Wanted you to explain to me your concept of the Cosmic Ego. > Edg: I was gone? Hmmm, I'm touched that you missed me after only one day without my posting. As Sandra Bullock's character, Gracie Hart, in the film, Miss Congeniality, says to Benjamin Bratt's character, Eric Matthews, " You want to daaaaate me, " eh? But, nah, strike that. I'm thinking you little stinker you that you want to baaaaaait me instead, right? Well, you're in luck. Right now, in this dimension at this time in this place, my Cosmic Ego forgives you. Go and sin no more. And what a great name Gracie Hart is, eh? Edg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > There is a foundation on which all rests. > > > > Unsupported itself, without parts, > > > > Without time or place or historical location, > > > > It alone is. > > > > All else merely appears. > > > > > A big enough smash on your head and that foundation is gone. > > Werner The head and that which smashed it, mutually co-arise. The " foundation " is not other than or outside the present as it is. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > There is a foundation on which all rests. > > > > > > > > Unsupported itself, without parts, > > > > > > > > Without time or place or historical location, > > > > > > > > It alone is. > > > > > > > > All else merely appears. > > > > > > > > > > > > > A big enough smash on your head and that foundation is gone. > > > > > > Werner > > > > Is that what you want, Werner... to smash people's heads? > > > > > Haha beware, fewtimch, > > But what I want is that all this non-dual nonsense to return to where it orginated from: Books and scriptures. > > Werner You don't get to send anything anywhere. You just get to go back where you came from, and you have no say about it. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > There is a foundation on which all rests. > > > > > Unsupported itself, without parts, > > > > > Without time or place or historical location, > > > > > It alone is. > > > > > All else merely appears. > > > > > > > A big enough smash on your head and that foundation is gone. > > > > Werner > > > > > > Edg: Werner, THE core axiom of Advaita is that THAT, though beyond concept and materiality, is yet, somehow, eternal -- it reeks with alwaysnessitudiosity. > > > > > > THAT may or may not be " lived " by the unsmashed individual, but THAT is the only " entity " that COULD be embodied by anyTHING just as ALL things in a dream CAN come from a source that survives even when the dream ends. The least sentient thing is yet saturated with the consciousness from which it manifested -- just as anything in a dream comes from one source. > > > > > > Christ spoke of rocks crying out if He didn't preach -- it was His way of saying that, as they might be in a dream, rocks in waking life are as much " from the source " as a " dream character's thoughts " are from its source. In a dream we can have talking rocks that speak as if sentient just as much as dream characters can wear those Emperor's Clothes. Christ merely said, " What's not dreamy about waking life? Even here, rocks can be so morally outraged by " a silent Christ " that they dump their limitations and become loudspeakers for that which Christ so ardently was preaching. It's like Krishna threatening to jump off the chariot and fight even when he promised not to -- a rock can go along for billions of years being silent, but it'll speak up if prodded " just so. " > > > > > > And, just so, too, Werner, some waking life rock can smash your " sweatbreads of Hannibal Lecter " and yet THAT from which you sprang can manifest any thought you might have had prior to being goo-ified through any other object of consciousness. If Werner isn't there to say it, any rock can be used to speak it for him. > > > > > > THAT which manifests " Werner " ceases not its " wernering. " Just try to stop wernering, and it's like pinching a water hose shut only to find that the hose has many small leaks from which the water stymied by your smashedness can yet jet outwards with more wernerness. > > > > > > There's your immortality that cannot be crushed. > > > > > > Don't you feel it? When you look into silence, don't you hear it screaming " I must wernerize all creations NO MATTER WHAT. " Don't you feel the universal urge to wernerize infinitely? > > > > > > It's like being on a skateboard at the top of Lombard Street in San Fransisco and then having God additionally push your ass down that snaky street like Tony Hawk with afterburners blazing. Any desire that you've ever had cannot be thwarted. Whatever Werner wants or ever wanted or ever could want is like gravity pulling you down that hill, and God just wants to help you get there faster. If Werner dies on the way down, no matter to God. Something " wernerish " in someone somewhere somewhen will be finding itself having that desire and when it gets fulfilled, the " Werner oversoul " will be thusly sated. > > > > > > Creation doesn't have Werner in it by mistake, ya see? And if we want to get into string theory, why, Werner is beyond time and space such that we have every possible version of Werner existing. There's a universe somewherewhen that a Werner that is identical to you that is reading this post -- except that post has the period missing at the end of this sentence > > > > > > Or, is it this one? There's so many creations with Werner in them that I get confused. > > > > > > Paradox is grand. > > > > > > And you, my dear Werner, are a grandness piano perfectly tuned. > > > > > > O best little blade of grass . . . > > > > > > Edg > > > > > >Edg you're back! Wanted you to explain to me your concept of the Cosmic Ego. > > > > Edg: I was gone? Hmmm, I'm touched that you missed me after only one day without my posting. As Sandra Bullock's character, Gracie Hart, in the film, Miss Congeniality, says to Benjamin Bratt's character, Eric Matthews, " You want to daaaaate me, " eh? > > But, nah, strike that. I'm thinking you little stinker you that you want to baaaaaait me instead, right? > > Well, you're in luck. Right now, in this dimension at this time in this place, my Cosmic Ego forgives you. Go and sin no more. > > And what a great name Gracie Hart is, eh? > > Edg > >Edg, I wasn't trying to bait you. I did not know that you had posted the day before when i said, " You're back " . I had not seen you online for some time and have been thinking about the possibility of the Cosmic Ego as " it " may relate to universal consciousness. Before i dismissed the notion out of hand, but am more curious now. No promises that i'll agree, but i should hear you out first. Sincerely, Doug. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963 wrote: > >Edg, I wasn't trying to bait you. I did not know that you had posted the day before when i said, " You're back " . I had not seen you online for some time and have been thinking about the possibility of the Cosmic Ego as " it " may relate to universal consciousness. Before i dismissed the notion out of hand, but am more curious now. No promises that i'll agree, but i should hear you out first. Sincerely, Doug. > Edg: Wuz ya born in 1963? Cosmic Ego: Let's see how it all comes through me, once again for the OMteenthish time. I seldom re-post stuff I've written, because to me I'm doing my " old man I'll soon be " a favor. The favor being that I once again iterate the concepts and perpetuate my Advaitan content's hard wiring. If I cannot get enlightened in my remaining years, at least, figures me who would outsmart God, I will have all this delightful conceptual set to cud-chew in my ebbing light. Better to dwell with these concepts than on any memories of " what 'I' did " or " what I shudda " or, ick, " I'm dying. " To me the concepts will be like my hand is being held as it slips from my ego's sense of ownership. I can see myself on my deathbed mumbling in some haze and a loved one bends near to hear my last egoic output, and there I'll be saying something Advaitanicish like " awareness is love. " Better that my ego dies with those words dwelt upon than " who's going to get my money? " Yes? Meanwhile, back at the topic, here's nine ways to burp about Cosmic Ego: 1. God's Ego. Note: I lack clarity about which God that might be. I favor Mother Divine's Ego, but I'd settle for it being Brahma's since He is blamed for creation (actually it was his mind-born sons that did the deed.) If it's Brahma's Ego, then, by dint of His having entered creation, I'd say that that Ego is tilting towards being very much like a human ego -- that is: blind, assuming authorship of thoughts, unaware of its being a reflection of silence, etc. Brahma's Ego would be closer to, say, Indra's, than to Narayana's or Shiva's or Mother Divine's, but Indra isn't enlightened and I hold that Brahma is -- despite having an Ego. I don't know these Gods well enough to say if any of Them are enlightened by Advaitan standards. The best I think that can be garnered is Mother Divine knowing Her Self perfectly and yet fully engaged in relativity also. Words begin to get mighty iffy in this realm. 2. We all know of at least one instance of the Absolute's status: our own thoughts are " received " by a non-thing in a mystical process that is not entirely " real " and yet not entirely " unreal. " Inquiry -- even inquiry by a sheer dolt -- reveals that silence is the offered answer by every nervous system that asks, " who is having this thought? " That silence is the Absolute saying, " I'm Spartacus! " We know, if we are sufficiently adroit in how we attend the clockworks of consciousness, that it is not the human ego that receives thought since that ego cherry picks what is attended; whereas, the " true " receiver of thought is also THAT which misses not a quark anywherewhen. Right now, your ego is receiving thoughts about this post, but where is your ego's awareness of what your elbow feels like right at this very instant? Yep, there's that elbow singing its song constantly on the off chance you'll attend it -- only now that you've put your attention there is it heard, but THAT never takes its attention off of anything anywhere anywhen. The elbow sings to it and is fully embraced by THAT -- as are all things....like trees in humanless forests falling. 3. Since we know that our thoughts are registering -- by how we don't know and by what we can't know, BUT WE KNOW -- we are assured that at the least God's thoughts are somehow registering also. Now, does God have an Ego that assumes authorship of creation or is God's nervous system identified solely with THAT such that relativity never drowns out the presence of silence's saturation of ALL THIS? I go with the latter, but I note that creation doesn't end just because we assume God sees the mirage for what it is and is free of being attached to any aspect of it, but yet is Identified with it in that Identity is the only " material " out of which creation could be fashioned. God says, " I wanted to create, and I looked around, but there wasn't any clay or anything, so I just scooped up handfuls of ME and shaped them into YOU and all the other things. Get it? I'm gold, you're one of my pieces of jewelry. " With this point number 3, I find myself getting semantically fuzzy, but I'll continue even if all I can do is spin out six more poems. 4. Every human ego is completely sold out to an identificational process. The ego cherry picks that which it wants to " have been. " God's Ego doesn't cherry pick -- It identifies with all constructs. Accuse God of napalming Viet Nam babies, or starving 30,000 children to death every day, and He says, " Yeah, that's Me alright, but, I balanced that with positive objects of consciousness such that my yinyang symbol is symmetrical, and, hey, it's My dream and I can do anything in it just like you are sinless when you dream that you're doing bad things. And, take heart, this may be Kali Yuga with its dark entities, but that means bright entities must be created to balance them -- and, voila, here comes Blue Boy to set dharma aright. Now you just try to find Krishna in any other yuga as easily as He is in Kali Yuga where He stands out like boner in a lockeroom -- that's why I love Kali Yuga! -- contrast is where it's at, dude. " 5. By dint of our knowing that our thoughts and our quarks are each and all attended, and that THAT is unassailablely THERE despite having not the least thereness, we can see that ego-ing is a process that mimics THAT's status in a laughably tiny manner, but there it is in daily life pretending that it is universally aware of all that's going on in a human's matrix. It's just a toddler clumping around in Dad's Big Shoes, but how cute, eh? But miss not the power of the metaphor that the human ego presents: in our matrix the ego walks Emperor-like in its world with clothing it pretends to wear, and just so does God wear creation as His clothing, His embodiment, His soul, whatever. If a human ego can say, " I bet on that horse, and look I'm winning! " then God can say, " I bet on that human ego, and look I'm Douglasing. " Now I ask you, how bad is it to have God thinking He's you? 6. Obviously if creation is thought to be mindlessly emergent from some sort of quantum virtuality, it merely begs the question if we assign to the " big bang " authorship of materiality if we ignore the question: what chicken laid the singularity egg from which the big bang hatched? The Cosmic Ego is expected, by me, to know the ultimate answer just as Godel knew there are certain truths that cannot be expressed in any formal system of axioms. Brahma gave up trying to get to the bottom of the lotus by realizing that the intellect was inherently blind to THAT'S FULL truth, but He didn't give up knowing that there was such a truth even if He couldn't discover it. Poor Brahma, all He has for tools are, well, tools when what He needs are non-tools to grasp THAT'S unreachable truth. Gotta have both: ALL THIS and ALL THAT, and only the Absolute has that status -- God only has ALL THIS from which to formulate -- and so, creation is half-assed, and ego is right there choosing to be the cheek that gets bitten, and misses seeing the cheek that is yet to be turned. Now I'm really deeply into poetry at this point, eh? 7. God says to His mirror: " What a hunk you are, Divine Dude. You're Douglasing at the speed of light, you're Edging with tachyons, you're every possible thing what am, but the mirror is faulty in that it only reflects the real and is unable to reflect the unreal, and this is the best mirror that can be possibly made by Me. The Absolute is the One gazing into the mirror, but the Divine Dude I see is so perfect that it would be okay to be Him even if He's half-ish. I'm not looking into the mirror to see the back of My Head, ya see? " 8. The seeker seeks an object of consciousness hoping it will be God, but all that the seeker can ever hope to find is God's manifest half, but, hey, don't knock it, cuz by doing so, by gazing solely at God's reflection, one can shed the addiction to attending the human ego. I mean, if President Obama and Ghandi back from the dead and Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta were all in a room with you when God arrives, Who are you going to be looking at? Will ya be gazing at your human ego's next cherry picked thought that ignores the elbow's song? Or, will ego fall on the floor crying instantly begging for mercy for having pretended God's thoughts are its creations? Placing awareness on the feeling of " God's presence " can lead to an endless refining of that perception until all things are discovered to be God -- this is the goal of bhakti -- to see God 24/7, and that can only happen if we see ALL THIS as shaped God-stuff. The intellect, OTOH, seeks God's primal concept: Cosmic Ego. Why? Cuz the human ego thinks it can be God's pal Who can unravel all mysteries for the intellect's satisfaction, and finally the intellect discovers that God doesn't end when conceptuality completely is resolved into a harmonious whole. Both the intellect and the heart are stymied at this point. God is everything, and now, just how does one turn to face everything including all the non-things? Ah, the mirror's flaw is discovered, the intellect knows that only by the closing of God's eyes can God be the Absolute that gazes without gazing. The heart knows that only by ceasing the noise of praying to God, can one hope to hear God Who is too polite to speak when one's praying so sweetly. 9. Universal consciousness is what Cosmic Ego sees in the mirror. All possibilities displayed and loved. Cosmic Ego is that which incarnates -- that is, identifies with everything as itself. The Absolute is THAT which the Cosmic Ego acts upon the behalf of without missing the fact that it is at best a dummy on the Absolute's ventriloquisty lap. My keyboard's smoking from friction. Are ya still reading, Doug? Edg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > >Edg, I wasn't trying to bait you. I did not know that you had posted the day before when i said, " You're back " . I had not seen you online for some time and have been thinking about the possibility of the Cosmic Ego as " it " may relate to universal consciousness. Before i dismissed the notion out of hand, but am more curious now. No promises that i'll agree, but i should hear you out first. Sincerely, Doug. > > > > Edg: Wuz ya born in 1963? > > Cosmic Ego: Let's see how it all comes through me, once again for the OMteenthish time. I seldom re-post stuff I've written, because to me I'm doing my " old man I'll soon be " a favor. The favor being that I once again iterate the concepts and perpetuate my Advaitan content's hard wiring. If I cannot get enlightened in my remaining years, at least, figures me who would outsmart God, I will have all this delightful conceptual set to cud-chew in my ebbing light. Better to dwell with these concepts than on any memories of " what 'I' did " or " what I shudda " or, ick, " I'm dying. " To me the concepts will be like my hand is being held as it slips from my ego's sense of ownership. I can see myself on my deathbed mumbling in some haze and a loved one bends near to hear my last egoic output, and there I'll be saying something Advaitanicish like " awareness is love. " Better that my ego dies with those words dwelt upon than " who's going to get my money? " Yes? > > Meanwhile, back at the topic, here's nine ways to burp about Cosmic Ego: > > 1. God's Ego. Note: I lack clarity about which God that might be. I favor Mother Divine's Ego, but I'd settle for it being Brahma's since He is blamed for creation (actually it was his mind-born sons that did the deed.) If it's Brahma's Ego, then, by dint of His having entered creation, I'd say that that Ego is tilting towards being very much like a human ego -- that is: blind, assuming authorship of thoughts, unaware of its being a reflection of silence, etc. Brahma's Ego would be closer to, say, Indra's, than to Narayana's or Shiva's or Mother Divine's, but Indra isn't enlightened and I hold that Brahma is -- despite having an Ego. I don't know these Gods well enough to say if any of Them are enlightened by Advaitan standards. The best I think that can be garnered is Mother Divine knowing Her Self perfectly and yet fully engaged in relativity also. Words begin to get mighty iffy in this realm. > > 2. We all know of at least one instance of the Absolute's status: our own thoughts are " received " by a non-thing in a mystical process that is not entirely " real " and yet not entirely " unreal. " Inquiry -- even inquiry by a sheer dolt -- reveals that silence is the offered answer by every nervous system that asks, " who is having this thought? " That silence is the Absolute saying, " I'm Spartacus! " We know, if we are sufficiently adroit in how we attend the clockworks of consciousness, that it is not the human ego that receives thought since that ego cherry picks what is attended; whereas, the " true " receiver of thought is also THAT which misses not a quark anywherewhen. Right now, your ego is receiving thoughts about this post, but where is your ego's awareness of what your elbow feels like right at this very instant? Yep, there's that elbow singing its song constantly on the off chance you'll attend it -- only now that you've put your attention there is it heard, but THAT never takes its attention off of anything anywhere anywhen. The elbow sings to it and is fully embraced by THAT -- as are all things....like trees in humanless forests falling. > > 3. Since we know that our thoughts are registering -- by how we don't know and by what we can't know, BUT WE KNOW -- we are assured that at the least God's thoughts are somehow registering also. Now, does God have an Ego that assumes authorship of creation or is God's nervous system identified solely with THAT such that relativity never drowns out the presence of silence's saturation of ALL THIS? I go with the latter, but I note that creation doesn't end just because we assume God sees the mirage for what it is and is free of being attached to any aspect of it, but yet is Identified with it in that Identity is the only " material " out of which creation could be fashioned. God says, " I wanted to create, and I looked around, but there wasn't any clay or anything, so I just scooped up handfuls of ME and shaped them into YOU and all the other things. Get it? I'm gold, you're one of my pieces of jewelry. " > > With this point number 3, I find myself getting semantically fuzzy, but I'll continue even if all I can do is spin out six more poems. > > 4. Every human ego is completely sold out to an identificational process. The ego cherry picks that which it wants to " have been. " God's Ego doesn't cherry pick -- It identifies with all constructs. Accuse God of napalming Viet Nam babies, or starving 30,000 children to death every day, and He says, " Yeah, that's Me alright, but, I balanced that with positive objects of consciousness such that my yinyang symbol is symmetrical, and, hey, it's My dream and I can do anything in it just like you are sinless when you dream that you're doing bad things. And, take heart, this may be Kali Yuga with its dark entities, but that means bright entities must be created to balance them -- and, voila, here comes Blue Boy to set dharma aright. Now you just try to find Krishna in any other yuga as easily as He is in Kali Yuga where He stands out like boner in a lockeroom -- that's why I love Kali Yuga! -- contrast is where it's at, dude. " > > 5. By dint of our knowing that our thoughts and our quarks are each and all attended, and that THAT is unassailablely THERE despite having not the least thereness, we can see that ego-ing is a process that mimics THAT's status in a laughably tiny manner, but there it is in daily life pretending that it is universally aware of all that's going on in a human's matrix. It's just a toddler clumping around in Dad's Big Shoes, but how cute, eh? But miss not the power of the metaphor that the human ego presents: in our matrix the ego walks Emperor-like in its world with clothing it pretends to wear, and just so does God wear creation as His clothing, His embodiment, His soul, whatever. If a human ego can say, " I bet on that horse, and look I'm winning! " then God can say, " I bet on that human ego, and look I'm Douglasing. " Now I ask you, how bad is it to have God thinking He's you? > > 6. Obviously if creation is thought to be mindlessly emergent from some sort of quantum virtuality, it merely begs the question if we assign to the " big bang " authorship of materiality if we ignore the question: what chicken laid the singularity egg from which the big bang hatched? The Cosmic Ego is expected, by me, to know the ultimate answer just as Godel knew there are certain truths that cannot be expressed in any formal system of axioms. Brahma gave up trying to get to the bottom of the lotus by realizing that the intellect was inherently blind to THAT'S FULL truth, but He didn't give up knowing that there was such a truth even if He couldn't discover it. Poor Brahma, all He has for tools are, well, tools when what He needs are non-tools to grasp THAT'S unreachable truth. Gotta have both: ALL THIS and ALL THAT, and only the Absolute has that status -- God only has ALL THIS from which to formulate -- and so, creation is half-assed, and ego is right there choosing to be the cheek that gets bitten, and misses seeing the cheek that is yet to be turned. > > Now I'm really deeply into poetry at this point, eh? > > 7. God says to His mirror: " What a hunk you are, Divine Dude. You're Douglasing at the speed of light, you're Edging with tachyons, you're every possible thing what am, but the mirror is faulty in that it only reflects the real and is unable to reflect the unreal, and this is the best mirror that can be possibly made by Me. The Absolute is the One gazing into the mirror, but the Divine Dude I see is so perfect that it would be okay to be Him even if He's half-ish. I'm not looking into the mirror to see the back of My Head, ya see? " > > 8. The seeker seeks an object of consciousness hoping it will be God, but all that the seeker can ever hope to find is God's manifest half, but, hey, don't knock it, cuz by doing so, by gazing solely at God's reflection, one can shed the addiction to attending the human ego. I mean, if President Obama and Ghandi back from the dead and Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta were all in a room with you when God arrives, Who are you going to be looking at? Will ya be gazing at your human ego's next cherry picked thought that ignores the elbow's song? Or, will ego fall on the floor crying instantly begging for mercy for having pretended God's thoughts are its creations? Placing awareness on the feeling of " God's presence " can lead to an endless refining of that perception until all things are discovered to be God -- this is the goal of bhakti -- to see God 24/7, and that can only happen if we see ALL THIS as shaped God-stuff. The intellect, OTOH, seeks God's primal concept: Cosmic Ego. Why? Cuz the human ego thinks it can be God's pal Who can unravel all mysteries for the intellect's satisfaction, and finally the intellect discovers that God doesn't end when conceptuality completely is resolved into a harmonious whole. Both the intellect and the heart are stymied at this point. God is everything, and now, just how does one turn to face everything including all the non-things? Ah, the mirror's flaw is discovered, the intellect knows that only by the closing of God's eyes can God be the Absolute that gazes without gazing. The heart knows that only by ceasing the noise of praying to God, can one hope to hear God Who is too polite to speak when one's praying so sweetly. > > 9. Universal consciousness is what Cosmic Ego sees in the mirror. All possibilities displayed and loved. Cosmic Ego is that which incarnates -- that is, identifies with everything as itself. The Absolute is THAT which the Cosmic Ego acts upon the behalf of without missing the fact that it is at best a dummy on the Absolute's ventriloquisty lap. > > My keyboard's smoking from friction. > > Are ya still reading, Doug? > > Edg > I would highly recommend either: The Psychological Roots of Religious Belief: Searching for Angels and the Parent-God. Amherst, NY: Prometheus Books. 245 pp. or Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon, 2006 book by Daniel Dennett Either one should knock that old Cosmic Ego down from the tree of knowledge. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > I would highly recommend either: > The Psychological Roots of Religious Belief: Searching for Angels and the > Parent-God. Amherst, NY: Prometheus Books. 245 pp. > or > Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon, 2006 book by Daniel > Dennett > Either one should knock that old Cosmic Ego down from the tree of knowledge. > toombaru Edg: Toom, what kind of asshole are you to be so smug about your atheism such that you high hat me about it at a named " Nisargadatta " a man who was as religious as religious can be? There are two fullnesses, bub, get used to it. You're glomming onto the Atheistic side of Advaita is tawdry in intent, vilely anti-intellectual, and so blinded by denial that it's my sin to be found responding to your gunk as if it was substantive enough to merit any attention at all. Given what I know about karma, my compassion for your life is triggered, cuz for sure, anyone who do what you're doing here is doing this same kind of shit elsewhere and you're getting a fist to the jaw every day in every way as your due for this mental defect of haughty opining without the least scholarship. Are ya entering various churches during services to spit on the altars just to show the dummies what's what? Yes, you are, but you don't even recognize a church when you're in one. Life is sacred, and you're there screaming " all is mundane, there are no mysteries I have not pierced, there's no hope for anyone, you're all fools if you're not exactly like me. " As if. As if. As fucking if. Didn't your Mother ever wash your mind out with soap? Edg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 22, 2009 Edg: ...."Nisargadatta" a man who was as religious as religious can be? geo> Nis...religious? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
