Guest guest Report post Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 15, 2009 8:08 PM > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any audience, Geo. > > > > > > > > > > The audience is hallucinated. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > The 'conceptual self' wants to believe it is not there, so it can show > > > > this to others. > > > > > > > > .... but the idea that there may not be others is intolerable to it. > > > > > > > > ... for one very good reason. > > > > > > > > > It is intolerable. > > > > > > Along with its hallucinated audience. > > > > > > > > > Along with the bubble in which the seeking self manifests. > > > > > > > > > It is greed and fear. > > > > > > It is me. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey.....it's the only show in town. > > > > Enjoy it. > > > > It'll all be over soon enough. > > That's what the 'me' hopes... and fears. > -tim- > > Hopes? Are depressed? > -geo- Am I around to be depressed? Every single time, the assumption of the entity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 6:23 PM > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:41 PM > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:33 AM > > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the same as saying that there is an unitary > > > > > > > seeing/being/doing, no fragmentation within the field. When you say > > > > > > > " for > > > > > > > example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, stability, > > > > > > > repeatability, predictability. Who wants these qualities, who > > > > > > > benefits > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > these qualities, who likes that security, who wants there to be > > > > > > > continuity? " , you are implicitly stating that there is no way to > > > > > > > live in > > > > > > > this world in a non-fragmented way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I'm not stating that at all. > > > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dan wrote: " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of > > > > > > > order, > > > > > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > > > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, who > > > > > > > likes > > > > > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you not implying the existence of some entity? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand the motivation for developing a system of > > > > > > mathematics. > > > > > > > > > > > > It would never have been developed without someone benefitting from > > > > > > the > > > > > > order it provided. > > > > > > > > > > > > The work would not have gone into it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand human nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you undertand human nature, and particularly its fear, and are > > > > > > that > > > > > > fear, you won't die to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dying to the known is not a bunch of ideas. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is to die. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > And after I am dead will I be unable to add 2+2? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any before or after to this death, Geo. > > > > > > > > > > One dies to before and after. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > One dies to all that and can do even derivations or study physics. > > > > > Localization is not an impediment at all. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head as one > > > > engages in repartee on an email list. > > > > > > > > Death is not to be swept under the rug by making glib statements, as if > > > > one can move on to something else, perhaps add something about how physics > > > > can be studied anyway. > > > > > > If you take anything seriously..........it sticks to your feet. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Good point toomba...good point! > > > (no geo...there are no points to be made...you are > > > allucinating....ok..ok...ok..LOL) > > > -geo- > > > > You are my hallucination, and I am yours. > > > > - D - > > > > > > > That is an attempt by the conceptual mind to label its perceptual pseudo-reality and use its own overlay as a reference point. > > > > toombaru No. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > Hey.....are you answering your self....... > > > > What's with that? > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > All I hear are the echoes. > > - D - Indeed... still, it's interesting to look at the variety, eh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > That is an attempt by the conceptual mind to label its perceptual pseudo-reality and use its own overlay as a reference point. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > A hallucinated comment about a hallucination, is just hallucinated, > Mushroombaru. > > - D - LOL! Dammit, I tell ya... maybe life isn't a joke, but there *are* jokes ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > There isn't any audience, Geo. > > > > > > > > The audience is hallucinated. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > The 'conceptual self' wants to believe it is not there, so it can show this to others. > > > > > > .... but the idea that there may not be others is intolerable to it. > > > > > > ... for one very good reason. > > > > > > It is intolerable. > > > > Along with its hallucinated audience. > > > > > > Along with the bubble in which the seeking self manifests. > > > > > > It is greed and fear. > > > > It is me. > > > > - D - > > > > > > > Hey.....it's the only show in town. > > Enjoy it. > > It'll all be over soon enough. toombaru It would be over, if it ever could begin. And this is what I enjoy. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:42 PM > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 6:23 PM > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:41 PM > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:33 AM > > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the same as saying that there is an unitary > > > > > > > seeing/being/doing, no fragmentation within the field. When you > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > " for > > > > > > > example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, > > > > > > > stability, > > > > > > > repeatability, predictability. Who wants these qualities, who > > > > > > > benefits > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > these qualities, who likes that security, who wants there to be > > > > > > > continuity? " , you are implicitly stating that there is no way to > > > > > > > live in > > > > > > > this world in a non-fragmented way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I'm not stating that at all. > > > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dan wrote: " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of > > > > > > > order, > > > > > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > > > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, who > > > > > > > likes > > > > > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you not implying the existence of some entity? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand the motivation for developing a system of > > > > > > mathematics. > > > > > > > > > > > > It would never have been developed without someone benefitting from > > > > > > the > > > > > > order it provided. > > > > > > > > > > > > The work would not have gone into it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand human nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you undertand human nature, and particularly its fear, and > > > > > > are > > > > > > that > > > > > > fear, you won't die to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dying to the known is not a bunch of ideas. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is to die. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > And after I am dead will I be unable to add 2+2? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any before or after to this death, Geo. > > > > > > > > > > One dies to before and after. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > One dies to all that and can do even derivations or study physics. > > > > > Localization is not an impediment at all. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head as > > > > one > > > > engages in repartee on an email list. > > > > > > > > Death is not to be swept under the rug by making glib statements, as if > > > > one can move on to something else, perhaps add something about how > > > > physics > > > > can be studied anyway. > > > > > > If you take anything seriously..........it sticks to your feet. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Good point toomba...good point! > > > (no geo...there are no points to be made...you are > > > allucinating....ok..ok...ok..LOL) > > > -geo- > > > > > > > allucidating......... > > > > :-) > > > > toombaru > > > > Dating lucidity? > > -geo- > Out here on the edge of the dream........it all gets silly real quick. > > > > > :-) > > > toombaru There is no edge to the dream. All you can do is go 'round and 'round it. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > It would be over, if it ever could begin. > > And this is what I enjoy. > > - D - Indeed... I just said something like that in a previous message. Toom talks of 'the flow', but apparently doesn't see the contradiction inherent in deriving a " conclusion " within a flow. Or mebbe he does, I dunno :-p. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:46 PM > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 5:14 PM > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:41 PM > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:33 AM > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the same as saying that there is an unitary > > > > > > seeing/being/doing, no fragmentation within the field. When you > > > > > > say > > > > > > " for > > > > > > example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, > > > > > > stability, > > > > > > repeatability, predictability. Who wants these qualities, who > > > > > > benefits > > > > > > from > > > > > > these qualities, who likes that security, who wants there to be > > > > > > continuity? " , you are implicitly stating that there is no way to > > > > > > live > > > > > > in > > > > > > this world in a non-fragmented way. > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I'm not stating that at all. > > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > > > dan wrote: " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of > > > > > > order, > > > > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, who > > > > > > likes > > > > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you not implying the existence of some entity? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand the motivation for developing a system of > > > > > mathematics. > > > > > > > > > > It would never have been developed without someone benefitting from > > > > > the > > > > > order it provided. > > > > > > > > > > The work would not have gone into it. > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand human nature. > > > > > > > > > > Unless you undertand human nature, and particularly its fear, and > > > > > are > > > > > that > > > > > fear, you won't die to it. > > > > > > > > > > Dying to the known is not a bunch of ideas. > > > > > > > > > > It is to die. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > And after I am dead will I be unable to add 2+2? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > There isn't any before or after to this death, Geo. > > > > > > > > One dies to before and after. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > One dies to all that and can do even derivations or study physics. > > > > Localization is not an impediment at all. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head as > > > one > > > engages in repartee on an email list. > > > > > > Death is not to be swept under the rug by making glib statements, as if > > > one > > > can move on to something else, perhaps add something about how physics > > > can > > > be studied anyway. > > > > > > Death doesn't allow me to keep a focus, to make a point, to > > > self-validate. > > > > > > Death is what is avoided in order to keep continuity of a center, and > > > therefore death is always at the periphery of the perceptual/conceptual > > > bubble, turning it back into itself, through avoidance. > > > > > > Death interrupts self-referencing. > > > > > > Death doesn't allow any perceptions to reflect back to a center. > > > > > > Death is not to be taken lightly or spoken about glibly, as if just > > > another > > > point being made in a dialogue. > > > > > > To treat death in that way, is to minimize it, put it off, disregard it, > > > and > > > claim personal continuity where there isn't any to be had. > > > > > > -- D -- > > > > > > " Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head as > > > one > > > engages in repartee on an email list. " > > > -D- > > > > > > That's right. > > > > It's lived. > > > > - D - > > > > Hey.....are you answering your self....... > > What's with that? > > :-0 > > toombaru > > I have actualy choked with laughter. My wife is also laughing cos it took me > 3 minutes to be able to talk and explain the thing...and the display has > spots of fried chicken on it... > -geo- Yes, you are choking the chicken. You got that right. For once. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:53 PM > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 6:23 PM > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:41 PM > > > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:33 AM > > > > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the same as saying that there is an unitary > > > > > > > > > seeing/being/doing, no fragmentation within the field. When > > > > > > > > > you say > > > > > > > > > " for > > > > > > > > > example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, > > > > > > > > > stability, > > > > > > > > > repeatability, predictability. Who wants these qualities, who > > > > > > > > > benefits > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > these qualities, who likes that security, who wants there to > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > continuity? " , you are implicitly stating that there is no way > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > live in > > > > > > > > > this world in a non-fragmented way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I'm not stating that at all. > > > > > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dan wrote: " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > order, > > > > > > > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > > > > > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > likes > > > > > > > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you not implying the existence of some entity? > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand the motivation for developing a system of > > > > > > > > mathematics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would never have been developed without someone benefitting > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > order it provided. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The work would not have gone into it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand human nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you undertand human nature, and particularly its fear, > > > > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > fear, you won't die to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dying to the known is not a bunch of ideas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is to die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And after I am dead will I be unable to add 2+2? > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any before or after to this death, Geo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One dies to before and after. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One dies to all that and can do even derivations or study physics. > > > > > > > Localization is not an impediment at all. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head > > > > > > as one > > > > > > engages in repartee on an email list. > > > > > > > > > > > > Death is not to be swept under the rug by making glib statements, as > > > > > > if > > > > > > one can move on to something else, perhaps add something about how > > > > > > physics > > > > > > can be studied anyway. > > > > > > > > > > If you take anything seriously..........it sticks to your feet. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Good point toomba...good point! > > > > > (no geo...there are no points to be made...you are > > > > > allucinating....ok..ok...ok..LOL) > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > You are my hallucination, and I am yours. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an attempt by the conceptual mind to label its perceptual > > > pseudo-reality and use its own overlay as a reference point. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > No. > > > > " That " (i.e. the above) is an attempt by the conceptual mind to derive a > > conclusion, based on an assumption. > > > > There is *really* nobody " else " . > > > > Nobody 'out there' attempted anything. > > -tim- > > > > LOL LOL LOL and you are telling that to the walls > > -geo- > > Life is expressing. > > There is nobody telling anyone anything. Well-said. It sounds beautiful in the silence. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:51 PM > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 6:23 PM > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:41 PM > > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:33 AM > > > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the same as saying that there is an unitary > > > > > > > > seeing/being/doing, no fragmentation within the field. When you > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > " for > > > > > > > > example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, > > > > > > > > stability, > > > > > > > > repeatability, predictability. Who wants these qualities, who > > > > > > > > benefits > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > these qualities, who likes that security, who wants there to be > > > > > > > > continuity? " , you are implicitly stating that there is no way to > > > > > > > > live in > > > > > > > > this world in a non-fragmented way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I'm not stating that at all. > > > > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dan wrote: " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > order, > > > > > > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > > > > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > likes > > > > > > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you not implying the existence of some entity? > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand the motivation for developing a system of > > > > > > > mathematics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would never have been developed without someone benefitting > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > order it provided. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The work would not have gone into it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand human nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you undertand human nature, and particularly its fear, and > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > fear, you won't die to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dying to the known is not a bunch of ideas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is to die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And after I am dead will I be unable to add 2+2? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any before or after to this death, Geo. > > > > > > > > > > > > One dies to before and after. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > One dies to all that and can do even derivations or study physics. > > > > > > Localization is not an impediment at all. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head as > > > > > one > > > > > engages in repartee on an email list. > > > > > > > > > > Death is not to be swept under the rug by making glib statements, as > > > > > if > > > > > one can move on to something else, perhaps add something about how > > > > > physics > > > > > can be studied anyway. > > > > > > > > If you take anything seriously..........it sticks to your feet. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Good point toomba...good point! > > > > (no geo...there are no points to be made...you are > > > > allucinating....ok..ok...ok..LOL) > > > > -geo- > > > > > > You are my hallucination, and I am yours. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > That is an attempt by the conceptual mind to label its perceptual > > pseudo-reality and use its own overlay as a reference point. > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > LOL... > > wait a minute....is this serious? > > -geo- > > > > > You bet. > > Like all of...Dan is shooting arrows at the moon. > > Some go towards the light.......some away from it. > > This one goes away. > > > > > toombaru Nope, that's what you're hallucinating that you're doing. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 8:08 PM > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any audience, Geo. > > > > > > > > > > > > The audience is hallucinated. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > The 'conceptual self' wants to believe it is not there, so it can show > > > > > this to others. > > > > > > > > > > .... but the idea that there may not be others is intolerable to it. > > > > > > > > > > ... for one very good reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is intolerable. > > > > > > > > Along with its hallucinated audience. > > > > > > > > > > > > Along with the bubble in which the seeking self manifests. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is greed and fear. > > > > > > > > It is me. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey.....it's the only show in town. > > > > > > Enjoy it. > > > > > > It'll all be over soon enough. > > > > That's what the 'me' hopes... and fears. > > -tim- > > > > Hopes? Are depressed? > > -geo- > > Am I around to be depressed? > > Every single time, the assumption of the entity. One who listens hears through the words, the projection of the assumed entity. And when no entity is projected, one hears this, because there is a silence, a lack of agenda, nothing being carried into the statement. It is palpable. The sound of nothing being conveyed, just is. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > Hey.....are you answering your self....... > > > > > > What's with that? > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > All I hear are the echoes. > > > > - D - > > Indeed... still, it's interesting to look at the variety, eh? Yes. It is a wonderment. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:51 PM > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 6:23 PM > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:41 PM > > > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:33 AM > > > > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the same as saying that there is an unitary > > > > > > > > > seeing/being/doing, no fragmentation within the field. When you > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > " for > > > > > > > > > example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, > > > > > > > > > stability, > > > > > > > > > repeatability, predictability. Who wants these qualities, who > > > > > > > > > benefits > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > these qualities, who likes that security, who wants there to be > > > > > > > > > continuity? " , you are implicitly stating that there is no way to > > > > > > > > > live in > > > > > > > > > this world in a non-fragmented way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I'm not stating that at all. > > > > > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dan wrote: " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > order, > > > > > > > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > > > > > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > likes > > > > > > > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you not implying the existence of some entity? > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand the motivation for developing a system of > > > > > > > > mathematics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would never have been developed without someone benefitting > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > order it provided. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The work would not have gone into it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand human nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you undertand human nature, and particularly its fear, and > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > fear, you won't die to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dying to the known is not a bunch of ideas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is to die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And after I am dead will I be unable to add 2+2? > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any before or after to this death, Geo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One dies to before and after. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One dies to all that and can do even derivations or study physics. > > > > > > > Localization is not an impediment at all. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head as > > > > > > one > > > > > > engages in repartee on an email list. > > > > > > > > > > > > Death is not to be swept under the rug by making glib statements, as > > > > > > if > > > > > > one can move on to something else, perhaps add something about how > > > > > > physics > > > > > > can be studied anyway. > > > > > > > > > > If you take anything seriously..........it sticks to your feet. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Good point toomba...good point! > > > > > (no geo...there are no points to be made...you are > > > > > allucinating....ok..ok...ok..LOL) > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > You are my hallucination, and I am yours. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > That is an attempt by the conceptual mind to label its perceptual > > > pseudo-reality and use its own overlay as a reference point. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL... > > > wait a minute....is this serious? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > You bet. > > > > Like all of...Dan is shooting arrows at the moon. > > > > Some go towards the light.......some away from it. > > > > This one goes away. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > Nope, that's what you're hallucinating that you're doing. > > - D - > This one...for instance...isn't even aimed at the moon. It's being shot at the shadows. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Are you too disputing who is more dead? ...mmmmmmfffffffffmmmmmm.... > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > No, Geo. > > > > > > > > > > There aren't two of us. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, saying " there isn't anybody else " to an apparent 'somebody else' appears contradictory. > > > > > > I think you mean " fortunately. " > > > > > > It is fortunate that everything appears contradictory, because that > way I understand it as paradox. > > > > > > Just as timeless time is paradox, or undivided fragments are > > > paradox, or chaotic ordering is paradox. > > > > It isn't fortunate in terms of the 'saying', though. > > > > More or less makes the saying useless. > > > > As you mentioned, this is not something that can be conveyed, or imparted, or communicated. > > > > > > > Well then..........you probably are not going to be able to write a book about it. > > And there goes any hope of having a following. > > But you might pick up a few stragglers. > > > > > > toombaru I am writing a book for stragglers. It is called " The Straggle of Now. " I will be famous. Not my choice, it's just happening by itself. And when I'm famous, I'll autograph a copy of my book for you. But only if that's how it happens. In its straggling sort of way. I don't need a large following of stragglers. A gaggle of the straggle will do. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you too disputing who is more dead? ...mmmmmmfffffffffmmmmmm.... > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > No, Geo. > > > > > > > > > > > > There aren't two of us. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, saying " there isn't anybody else " to an apparent 'somebody else' appears contradictory. > > > > > > > > I think you mean " fortunately. " > > > > > > > > It is fortunate that everything appears contradictory, because that > way I understand it as paradox. > > > > > > > > Just as timeless time is paradox, or undivided fragments are > > > > paradox, or chaotic ordering is paradox. > > > > > > It isn't fortunate in terms of the 'saying', though. > > > > > > More or less makes the saying useless. > > > > > > As you mentioned, this is not something that can be conveyed, or imparted, or communicated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well then..........you probably are not going to be able to write a book about it. > > > > And there goes any hope of having a following. > > > > But you might pick up a few stragglers. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > I am writing a book for stragglers. > > It is called " The Straggle of Now. " > > I will be famous. > > Not my choice, it's just happening by itself. > > And when I'm famous, I'll autograph a copy of my book for you. > > But only if that's how it happens. > > In its straggling sort of way. > > I don't need a large following of stragglers. > > A gaggle of the straggle will do. > > - D - > How about " Straggle On " ? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > This is beyond anything ever taught by any teacher or religion. > > > > > > > > It is beyond anything that has meant a lot to people. > > > > > > > > It is beyond enlightenment, or salvation, or ecstasy. > > > > > > > > And it is much, much less. > > > > > > > > It isn't beyond anything. > > > > > > > > It isn't even nothing. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > It's nothing, and it's everything. > > > > > > No one, and everyone. > > > > > > Thought is also conditioned to stick to one or the other of two dualistic poles -- so " there is no me " is stuck with. > > > > > > But it also means, there is only Me. > > > > > > " Me " not being who/what was believed to be, at all. Not a human body, yet not excluding the human body. > > > > > > Words don't convey it. One can babble on forever, and say nothing. > > > > > > Only 'actually looking' matters, 'being aware', and not denying > > > this necessity by saying 'there is no me to do so'. > > > > P.S. Historically speaking, people have been known to disengage from 'the world' for a time, while this enquiry happens. > > > > Release various and contradictory pursuits, while looking into this. > > > > The enquiry may not even be 'conscious', in the sense that one feels they're seeking something. > > > > Hopes, dreams, desires and pursuits are given up, dropped. Or rather, they drop. > > > > One remains 'here, now', doing whatever one is doing. > > > > Nothing special to do, just 'something' to un-do. > > > > Nothing gained, everything lost. > > > There's no choice about it. > > It inevitably goes like that. > > I'm not sure how else it could be. > > - D - I'm not, either. It just happens like that. Interest is lost in whatever was going into maintaining 'me', the investment in having 'myself' as a separate, unique being who's " a little bit different " , special-er than all the rest in some way. Maybe I'm succeeding more, maybe I'm suffering more... but it always feels like " I " am unique somehow, different than the mob out there. To everyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This is beyond anything ever taught by any teacher or religion. > > > > > > > > > > It is beyond anything that has meant a lot to people. > > > > > > > > > > It is beyond enlightenment, or salvation, or ecstasy. > > > > > > > > > > And it is much, much less. > > > > > > > > > > It isn't beyond anything. > > > > > > > > > > It isn't even nothing. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > It's nothing, and it's everything. > > > > > > > > No one, and everyone. > > > > > > > > Thought is also conditioned to stick to one or the other of two dualistic poles -- so " there is no me " is stuck with. > > > > > > > > But it also means, there is only Me. > > > > > > > > " Me " not being who/what was believed to be, at all. Not a human body, yet not excluding the human body. > > > > > > > > Words don't convey it. One can babble on forever, and say nothing. > > > > > > > > Only 'actually looking' matters, 'being aware', and not denying > > > > this necessity by saying 'there is no me to do so'. > > > > > > P.S. Historically speaking, people have been known to disengage from 'the world' for a time, while this enquiry happens. > > > > > > Release various and contradictory pursuits, while looking into this. > > > > > > The enquiry may not even be 'conscious', in the sense that one feels they're seeking something. > > > > > > Hopes, dreams, desires and pursuits are given up, dropped. Or rather, they drop. > > > > > > One remains 'here, now', doing whatever one is doing. > > > > > > Nothing special to do, just 'something' to un-do. > > > > > > Nothing gained, everything lost. > > > > > > There's no choice about it. > > > > It inevitably goes like that. > > > > I'm not sure how else it could be. > > > > - D - > > I'm not, either. > > It just happens like that. Interest is lost in whatever was going into maintaining 'me', the investment in having 'myself' as a separate, unique being who's " a little bit different " , special-er than all the rest in some way. > > Maybe I'm succeeding more, maybe I'm suffering more... but it always feels like " I " am unique somehow, different than the mob out there. > > To everyone. > hey the unique over there, the enlightened champion, does this your meaningless life " happen just like that " ...?... i knew it!....funny people in here!... they even create special and unique sites to show their mental deseases....to everyone, yes. Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
