Consciousness for 19th Century Dummies

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dennis_travis33

Nisargadatta

Tuesday, August 18, 2009 5:06 AM

Re: Consciousness for 19th Century Dummies

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

> wrote:

> >

> > no no no, Tim....enough!....lol

> >

> > i don't need this your spiritual stories, concepts and

> > believes....realy not.

>

> Why tell me?

>

> Don't read them.

>

> But you do need them, or you wouldn't read them?

>

> If you don't need them, don't complain... just stop reading.

>

> > and i hope for you too....that you don't need to read my words!

> >

> >

>

> I like reading. I like what is happening now. It can't be any other way.

>

 

i will have a break Now....

 

just because i don't need any of this your fantastic words....

 

.....

 

don't read, anyway most of this endless posts of complete non-sense.......

 

i'm not interested in all this discussions going on in here...

 

....

 

it is you who simply can't stop bubbling...

 

....

 

other people already told you...

 

but you don't care...

 

....

 

please stop reading and answering my posts....thanks...

 

Marc

 

You seem to be on the edge of some psichotic fit...Who is that?

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> dennis_travis33

> Nisargadatta

> Tuesday, August 18, 2009 5:06 AM

> Re: Consciousness for 19th Century Dummies

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > no no no, Tim....enough!....lol

> > >

> > > i don't need this your spiritual stories, concepts and

> > > believes....realy not.

> >

> > Why tell me?

> >

> > Don't read them.

> >

> > But you do need them, or you wouldn't read them?

> >

> > If you don't need them, don't complain... just stop reading.

> >

> > > and i hope for you too....that you don't need to read my words!

> > >

> > >

> >

> > I like reading. I like what is happening now. It can't be any other way.

> >

>

> i will have a break Now....

>

> just because i don't need any of this your fantastic words....

>

> ....

>

> don't read, anyway most of this endless posts of complete non-sense.......

>

> i'm not interested in all this discussions going on in here...

>

> ...

>

> it is you who simply can't stop bubbling...

>

> ...

>

> other people already told you...

>

> but you don't care...

>

> ...

>

> please stop reading and answering my posts....thanks...

>

> Marc

>

> You seem to be on the edge of some psichotic fit...Who is that?

> -geo-

>

>

 

you seem to don't see well so....

 

and also...reading well....

 

because i wrote to Tim....

 

....

 

everything fine?....so far/still/again...?

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

 

> > Yes.

> >

> > It's simply a matter of observing the bubble of the imagined for what it is.

> >

> > Simple awareness automatically ends any attachment to fiction, that is, it

ends ignore-ance.

> >

> > Convoluted awareness, the attempt to split awareness, is investment in

falsehood. This splitting requires separating self from other, interalizing

other as self, projecting self as other, imagining a world of real things and

events based on personal memories.

> >

> > Ignore-ance is a distortion and self-contradiction that has to end if it is

seen for what it is, if one aware is not investing in pretense, wanting to

believe, that it could be something else.

> >

> > " When I was a child I saw as a child. When I was a man, I put away childish

things. "

> >

> > In other words, I gave up on make believe. I couldn't invest in fiction. I

understood " I " and the fictional world of " I " for what it is (a bubble of

imagined events).

> >

> > This moment of being aware is freedom itself.

> >

> > - D -

> >

>

>

> yes

>

> anyway....there is no choice about to loose ignorance....

>

> it take some time

>

> some want to loose it here & now....

>

> but it just don't work this way....

 

 

Believing one exists in time, is ignorance.

 

So, how much time will be involved for someone in losing ignorance?

 

 

> ....

>

> no need to get a PHD for such process of loosing ignorance...

>

> ....

 

Any process involves time.

 

Perceiving a self existing in time, who goes through a process, is ignorance.

 

But one instant of clarity, as timeless time, and all ignorance is transformed

to awareness.

 

No problem, no problems.

 

 

> the only need is a body, mind and intellect system...working

nicely....healthy....peacefully.....

 

There is no need.

 

Empty space is the origin of all things and bodies.

 

Empty space is aware, has no location, and has no needs.

 

Bodies come and go.

 

This aware space does not come and go.

 

Everything that is, co-arises in and through this aware no-thing.

 

This aware-nothing never arises, and has never been discussed.

 

It is the very presence of the present moment, which is aware and is the

awareness of any experience.

 

> that's all...

 

This is all.

 

All that ever is, and thus, all that ever was or will be - all of which is " is. "

 

 

> ...

>

> no costs

>

> no costs.....

 

Except for everything and anything you believed you were, or you believed

existed.

 

 

> ...

 

 

- Dan -

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

>

> > > Yes.

> > >

> > > It's simply a matter of observing the bubble of the imagined for what it

is.

> > >

> > > Simple awareness automatically ends any attachment to fiction, that is, it

ends ignore-ance.

> > >

> > > Convoluted awareness, the attempt to split awareness, is investment in

falsehood. This splitting requires separating self from other, interalizing

other as self, projecting self as other, imagining a world of real things and

events based on personal memories.

> > >

> > > Ignore-ance is a distortion and self-contradiction that has to end if it

is seen for what it is, if one aware is not investing in pretense, wanting to

believe, that it could be something else.

> > >

> > > " When I was a child I saw as a child. When I was a man, I put away

childish things. "

> > >

> > > In other words, I gave up on make believe. I couldn't invest in fiction.

I understood " I " and the fictional world of " I " for what it is (a bubble of

imagined events).

> > >

> > > This moment of being aware is freedom itself.

> > >

> > > - D -

> > >

> >

> >

> > yes

> >

> > anyway....there is no choice about to loose ignorance....

> >

> > it take some time

> >

> > some want to loose it here & now....

> >

> > but it just don't work this way....

>

>

> Believing one exists in time, is ignorance.

>

> So, how much time will be involved for someone in losing ignorance?

>

>

> > ....

> >

> > no need to get a PHD for such process of loosing ignorance...

> >

> > ....

>

> Any process involves time.

>

> Perceiving a self existing in time, who goes through a process, is ignorance.

>

> But one instant of clarity, as timeless time, and all ignorance is transformed

to awareness.

>

> No problem, no problems.

>

>

> > the only need is a body, mind and intellect system...working

nicely....healthy....peacefully.....

>

> There is no need.

>

> Empty space is the origin of all things and bodies.

>

> Empty space is aware, has no location, and has no needs.

>

> Bodies come and go.

>

> This aware space does not come and go.

>

> Everything that is, co-arises in and through this aware no-thing.

>

> This aware-nothing never arises, and has never been discussed.

>

> It is the very presence of the present moment, which is aware and is the

awareness of any experience.

>

> > that's all...

>

> This is all.

>

> All that ever is, and thus, all that ever was or will be - all of which is

" is. "

>

>

> > ...

> >

> > no costs

> >

> > no costs.....

>

> Except for everything and anything you believed you were, or you believed

existed.

>

>

> > ...

>

>

> - Dan -

>

 

 

look like another " One " ....without any needs.....

 

lol

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> > > > Yes.

> > > >

> > > > It's simply a matter of observing the bubble of the imagined for what it

is.

> > > >

> > > > Simple awareness automatically ends any attachment to fiction, that is,

it ends ignore-ance.

> > > >

> > > > Convoluted awareness, the attempt to split awareness, is investment in

falsehood. This splitting requires separating self from other, interalizing

other as self, projecting self as other, imagining a world of real things and

events based on personal memories.

> > > >

> > > > Ignore-ance is a distortion and self-contradiction that has to end if it

is seen for what it is, if one aware is not investing in pretense, wanting to

believe, that it could be something else.

> > > >

> > > > " When I was a child I saw as a child. When I was a man, I put away

childish things. "

> > > >

> > > > In other words, I gave up on make believe. I couldn't invest in

fiction. I understood " I " and the fictional world of " I " for what it is (a

bubble of imagined events).

> > > >

> > > > This moment of being aware is freedom itself.

> > > >

> > > > - D -

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > yes

> > >

> > > anyway....there is no choice about to loose ignorance....

> > >

> > > it take some time

> > >

> > > some want to loose it here & now....

> > >

> > > but it just don't work this way....

> >

> >

> > Believing one exists in time, is ignorance.

> >

> > So, how much time will be involved for someone in losing ignorance?

> >

> >

> > > ....

> > >

> > > no need to get a PHD for such process of loosing ignorance...

> > >

> > > ....

> >

> > Any process involves time.

> >

> > Perceiving a self existing in time, who goes through a process, is

ignorance.

> >

> > But one instant of clarity, as timeless time, and all ignorance is

transformed to awareness.

> >

> > No problem, no problems.

> >

> >

> > > the only need is a body, mind and intellect system...working

nicely....healthy....peacefully.....

> >

> > There is no need.

> >

> > Empty space is the origin of all things and bodies.

> >

> > Empty space is aware, has no location, and has no needs.

> >

> > Bodies come and go.

> >

> > This aware space does not come and go.

> >

> > Everything that is, co-arises in and through this aware no-thing.

> >

> > This aware-nothing never arises, and has never been discussed.

> >

> > It is the very presence of the present moment, which is aware and is the

awareness of any experience.

> >

> > > that's all...

> >

> > This is all.

> >

> > All that ever is, and thus, all that ever was or will be - all of which is

" is. "

> >

> >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > no costs

> > >

> > > no costs.....

> >

> > Except for everything and anything you believed you were, or you believed

existed.

> >

> >

> > > ...

> >

> >

> > - Dan -

> >

>

>

> look like another " One " ....without any needs.....

>

> lol

>

>

> Marc

 

 

" another " -- gimme a break, " another " ...

 

 

Sheesh.

 

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> >

> > look like another " One " ....without any needs.....

> >

> > lol

> >

> >

> > Marc

>

>

> " another " -- gimme a break, " another " ...

>

>

> Sheesh.

>

>

> - D -

 

No kidders!

 

All these imaginary characters, telling one another what they're doing.

 

I guess they need each other to say what they're doing, or they won't have the

vaguest clue...

 

LOL.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > look like another " One " ....without any needs.....

> > >

> > > lol

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> >

> > " another " -- gimme a break, " another " ...

> >

> >

> > Sheesh.

> >

> >

> > - D -

>

> No kidders!

>

> All these imaginary characters, telling one another what they're doing.

>

> I guess they need each other to say what they're doing, or they won't have the

vaguest clue...

>

> LOL.

 

 

Yes.

 

 

And the silence is palpable.

 

 

And the aloneness one walks, is ever oneself.

 

 

The path meets the foot meets the path.

 

 

Walking happens.

 

 

Walk on.

 

 

Move on.

 

 

Be still.

 

 

Be.

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > look like another " One " ....without any needs.....

> > > >

> > > > lol

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > " another " -- gimme a break, " another " ...

> > >

> > >

> > > Sheesh.

> > >

> > >

> > > - D -

> >

> > No kidders!

> >

> > All these imaginary characters, telling one another what they're doing.

> >

> > I guess they need each other to say what they're doing, or they won't have

the vaguest clue...

> >

> > LOL.

>

>

> Yes.

>

>

> And the silence is palpable.

>

>

> And the aloneness one walks, is ever oneself.

>

>

> The path meets the foot meets the path.

>

>

> Walking happens.

>

>

> Walk on.

>

>

> Move on.

>

>

> Be still.

>

>

> Be.

>

> - D -

 

Amen.

 

Orange Julius.

 

They're good, so I added that ;-).

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > look like another " One " ....without any needs.....

> > >

> > > lol

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> >

> > " another " -- gimme a break, " another " ...

> >

> >

> > Sheesh.

> >

> >

> > - D -

>

> No kidders!

>

> All these imaginary characters, telling one another what they're doing.

>

> I guess they need each other to say what they're doing, or they won't have the

vaguest clue...

>

> LOL.

>

 

 

nobody could ever be seperated from his/her

imaginations/ " constructions " /world/elefants/fishes/clouds...and also clowns....

 

lol

 

 

Marc