In Nisargadatta@, dan330033 dan330033@... wrote:

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In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta supposedly took his stand in the Absolute. This is proclaimed

by him to be a desireless state, free of the bodymind identity. But when he was

confronted with his cancer he said this, " I am not the least interested in this

daily ritual of getting up in the morning, eating and again sleeping and all

this...I have had enough of all that. I do not expect anything from this world.

I am not going to acheive, attain, possess anything, because I am fed up with

that very consciousness out of which the world is created and want to get rid of

this consciousness. " (p.77, The Experience of Nothingness.) Sounds here like he

was still identifying with some " thing " be it the body, or consciousness, or

whatever. Any takers?

>

>

> Douglas -

>

> One can only guess.

>

> If one were a friend of Nisargadatta's at the time, one could ask him about

it.

>

> He is dead, one has read his words translated from another language.

>

> One has no idea what was actually said, how it was interpreted and

transcribed, how it was translated.

>

> One has no idea how Nisargadatta perceived the one to whom he spoke, or what

experience he was addressing through his words.

>

> What would be less of a guess for you, is what identification is for you.

>

> You could ask that question of yourself - are you identified with something or

not? What is it to you to be identified or not identified?

>

> Experientially what is the difference for you?

>

> What is it not to be identified with experience?

>

> Then, you wouldn't be guessing as much.

>

> Although, once you spoke about it, we would be guessing, as your readers, what

you meant.

>

> Even if we spoke the same language that you speak and could ask you about it

as you were still alive.

>

> We would still be guessing.

>

> And the part of your brain that supplies language, would still be guessing

about what language to apply to the experience and understanding you were

having, so as to bring that experience and understanding " to others. "

>

> And those others would just be whatever they were, in your experience and

understanding.

>

> Is it possible not to guess?

>

> To know directly?

>

> What do you say from this awareness, where you are not guessing?

>

>

> -- Dan --

 

 

 

>Dan,

>The referenced quote makes me think that Nisargadatta and I are alike in our

sentiments about living with a terminal illness. I have AIDS and feel at times

the way that Nisargadatta did about this supposed life. But there is a part of

me that feels that the body is the " temple " of consciousness, and hence

Awareness. The body should perhaps be something for which one is very grateful

and blessed to have as a vehicle for the consciousness and Awareness. There is

so much negativity pronounced upon the body by Nisargadatta that I find hard to

accept. I know that I am not just this body, but I don't dismiss it outright.

It has helped me via the mind to transcend and realize that the

Awareness/Absolute would have no other way to know itself it were not for the

body and mind. That is where i take my stand. Thanks for your thoughtful

responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me on this

site. -Doug

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963

wrote:

>

> In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta supposedly took his stand in the Absolute. This is proclaimed

> by him to be a desireless state, free of the bodymind identity. But when he

was

> confronted with his cancer he said this, " I am not the least interested in this

> daily ritual of getting up in the morning, eating and again sleeping and all

> this...I have had enough of all that. I do not expect anything from this

world.

> I am not going to acheive, attain, possess anything, because I am fed up with

> that very consciousness out of which the world is created and want to get rid

of

> this consciousness. " (p.77, The Experience of Nothingness.) Sounds here like

he

> was still identifying with some " thing " be it the body, or consciousness, or

> whatever. Any takers?

> >

> >

> > Douglas -

> >

> > One can only guess.

> >

> > If one were a friend of Nisargadatta's at the time, one could ask him about

> it.

> >

> > He is dead, one has read his words translated from another language.

> >

> > One has no idea what was actually said, how it was interpreted and

> transcribed, how it was translated.

> >

> > One has no idea how Nisargadatta perceived the one to whom he spoke, or what

> experience he was addressing through his words.

> >

> > What would be less of a guess for you, is what identification is for you.

> >

> > You could ask that question of yourself - are you identified with something

or

> not? What is it to you to be identified or not identified?

> >

> > Experientially what is the difference for you?

> >

> > What is it not to be identified with experience?

> >

> > Then, you wouldn't be guessing as much.

> >

> > Although, once you spoke about it, we would be guessing, as your readers,

what

> you meant.

> >

> > Even if we spoke the same language that you speak and could ask you about it

> as you were still alive.

> >

> > We would still be guessing.

> >

> > And the part of your brain that supplies language, would still be guessing

> about what language to apply to the experience and understanding you were

> having, so as to bring that experience and understanding " to others. "

> >

> > And those others would just be whatever they were, in your experience and

> understanding.

> >

> > Is it possible not to guess?

> >

> > To know directly?

> >

> > What do you say from this awareness, where you are not guessing?

> >

> >

> > -- Dan --

>

>

>

> >Dan,

> >The referenced quote makes me think that Nisargadatta and I are alike in our

> sentiments about living with a terminal illness. I have AIDS and feel at times

> the way that Nisargadatta did about this supposed life. But there is a part of

> me that feels that the body is the " temple " of consciousness, and hence

> Awareness. The body should perhaps be something for which one is very grateful

> and blessed to have as a vehicle for the consciousness and Awareness. There is

> so much negativity pronounced upon the body by Nisargadatta that I find hard

to

> accept. I know that I am not just this body, but I don't dismiss it outright.

> It has helped me via the mind to transcend and realize that the

> Awareness/Absolute would have no other way to know itself it were not for the

> body and mind. That is where i take my stand. Thanks for your thoughtful

> responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me on this

> site. -Doug

>

 

 

 

Life is a terminal illness.

Awareness can never know itself.

That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

You are that.

You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

End of story.

 

 

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@>

wrote:

> >

> > In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

<douglasmitch1963@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta supposedly took his stand in the Absolute. This is

proclaimed

> > by him to be a desireless state, free of the bodymind identity. But when he

was

> > confronted with his cancer he said this, " I am not the least interested in

this

> > daily ritual of getting up in the morning, eating and again sleeping and all

> > this...I have had enough of all that. I do not expect anything from this

world.

> > I am not going to acheive, attain, possess anything, because I am fed up

with

> > that very consciousness out of which the world is created and want to get

rid of

> > this consciousness. " (p.77, The Experience of Nothingness.) Sounds here like

he

> > was still identifying with some " thing " be it the body, or consciousness, or

> > whatever. Any takers?

> > >

> > >

> > > Douglas -

> > >

> > > One can only guess.

> > >

> > > If one were a friend of Nisargadatta's at the time, one could ask him

about

> > it.

> > >

> > > He is dead, one has read his words translated from another language.

> > >

> > > One has no idea what was actually said, how it was interpreted and

> > transcribed, how it was translated.

> > >

> > > One has no idea how Nisargadatta perceived the one to whom he spoke, or

what

> > experience he was addressing through his words.

> > >

> > > What would be less of a guess for you, is what identification is for you.

> > >

> > > You could ask that question of yourself - are you identified with

something or

> > not? What is it to you to be identified or not identified?

> > >

> > > Experientially what is the difference for you?

> > >

> > > What is it not to be identified with experience?

> > >

> > > Then, you wouldn't be guessing as much.

> > >

> > > Although, once you spoke about it, we would be guessing, as your readers,

what

> > you meant.

> > >

> > > Even if we spoke the same language that you speak and could ask you about

it

> > as you were still alive.

> > >

> > > We would still be guessing.

> > >

> > > And the part of your brain that supplies language, would still be guessing

> > about what language to apply to the experience and understanding you were

> > having, so as to bring that experience and understanding " to others. "

> > >

> > > And those others would just be whatever they were, in your experience and

> > understanding.

> > >

> > > Is it possible not to guess?

> > >

> > > To know directly?

> > >

> > > What do you say from this awareness, where you are not guessing?

> > >

> > >

> > > -- Dan --

> >

> >

> >

> > >Dan,

> > >The referenced quote makes me think that Nisargadatta and I are alike in

our

> > sentiments about living with a terminal illness. I have AIDS and feel at

times

> > the way that Nisargadatta did about this supposed life. But there is a part

of

> > me that feels that the body is the " temple " of consciousness, and hence

> > Awareness. The body should perhaps be something for which one is very

grateful

> > and blessed to have as a vehicle for the consciousness and Awareness. There

is

> > so much negativity pronounced upon the body by Nisargadatta that I find hard

to

> > accept. I know that I am not just this body, but I don't dismiss it

outright.

> > It has helped me via the mind to transcend and realize that the

> > Awareness/Absolute would have no other way to know itself it were not for

the

> > body and mind. That is where i take my stand. Thanks for your thoughtful

> > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me on this

> > site. -Doug

> >

>

>

>

> Life is a terminal illness.

> Awareness can never know itself.

> That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> You are that.

 

 

Yes great, Toomb. You have won a friend

 

> You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

 

 

This I don't understand. Can you explain it ?

 

Werner

 

 

> End of story.

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

<douglasmitch1963@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta supposedly took his stand in the Absolute. This is

proclaimed

> > > by him to be a desireless state, free of the bodymind identity. But when

he was

> > > confronted with his cancer he said this, " I am not the least interested in

this

> > > daily ritual of getting up in the morning, eating and again sleeping and

all

> > > this...I have had enough of all that. I do not expect anything from this

world.

> > > I am not going to acheive, attain, possess anything, because I am fed up

with

> > > that very consciousness out of which the world is created and want to get

rid of

> > > this consciousness. " (p.77, The Experience of Nothingness.) Sounds here

like he

> > > was still identifying with some " thing " be it the body, or consciousness,

or

> > > whatever. Any takers?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Douglas -

> > > >

> > > > One can only guess.

> > > >

> > > > If one were a friend of Nisargadatta's at the time, one could ask him

about

> > > it.

> > > >

> > > > He is dead, one has read his words translated from another language.

> > > >

> > > > One has no idea what was actually said, how it was interpreted and

> > > transcribed, how it was translated.

> > > >

> > > > One has no idea how Nisargadatta perceived the one to whom he spoke, or

what

> > > experience he was addressing through his words.

> > > >

> > > > What would be less of a guess for you, is what identification is for

you.

> > > >

> > > > You could ask that question of yourself - are you identified with

something or

> > > not? What is it to you to be identified or not identified?

> > > >

> > > > Experientially what is the difference for you?

> > > >

> > > > What is it not to be identified with experience?

> > > >

> > > > Then, you wouldn't be guessing as much.

> > > >

> > > > Although, once you spoke about it, we would be guessing, as your

readers, what

> > > you meant.

> > > >

> > > > Even if we spoke the same language that you speak and could ask you

about it

> > > as you were still alive.

> > > >

> > > > We would still be guessing.

> > > >

> > > > And the part of your brain that supplies language, would still be

guessing

> > > about what language to apply to the experience and understanding you were

> > > having, so as to bring that experience and understanding " to others. "

> > > >

> > > > And those others would just be whatever they were, in your experience

and

> > > understanding.

> > > >

> > > > Is it possible not to guess?

> > > >

> > > > To know directly?

> > > >

> > > > What do you say from this awareness, where you are not guessing?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -- Dan --

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >Dan,

> > > >The referenced quote makes me think that Nisargadatta and I are alike in

our

> > > sentiments about living with a terminal illness. I have AIDS and feel at

times

> > > the way that Nisargadatta did about this supposed life. But there is a

part of

> > > me that feels that the body is the " temple " of consciousness, and hence

> > > Awareness. The body should perhaps be something for which one is very

grateful

> > > and blessed to have as a vehicle for the consciousness and Awareness.

There is

> > > so much negativity pronounced upon the body by Nisargadatta that I find

hard to

> > > accept. I know that I am not just this body, but I don't dismiss it

outright.

> > > It has helped me via the mind to transcend and realize that the

> > > Awareness/Absolute would have no other way to know itself it were not for

the

> > > body and mind. That is where i take my stand. Thanks for your thoughtful

> > > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me on

this

> > > site. -Doug

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Life is a terminal illness.

> > Awareness can never know itself.

> > That means that there is nothing beyond awareness.

> > You are that.

>

>

> Yes great, Toomb. You have won a friend

 

 

>

> > You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

>

>

> This I don't understand. Can you explain it ?

>

> Werner

>

>

 

 

 

The assumption that there is something beyond

consciousness-awareness.....(whatever label it gives itself)...is based on its

own speculation.

 

The fact that it can't see itself.......should tell it all it needs to know.

 

What if.........what if.........you.....your awareness.... were the outer edge

of Awareness itself?

 

What if......in you......was housed a facet of the most highly evolved....most

complex........the best that life has to offer.....

.....broadest spectrum thinking..in the entire universe?

 

 

 

There is nothing to indicate that that is not the case.

 

 

And most in possession to this most precious of jewels spend their allotted time

trying to figure it out.

 

 

toombaru

 

 

 

toombaru

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> > End of story.

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me on this

> > site. -Doug

> >

>

>

>

> Life is a terminal illness.

> Awareness can never know itself.

> That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> You are that.

> You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

> End of story.

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

P: OK, Toomb, don't be greedy. Accept that

Dan has helped him must, and that is that.

Don't try to push Dan from the summit of

his admiration with ultimate pontifications

about reality. )

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

>

> > > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me on

this

> > > site. -Doug

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Life is a terminal illness.

> > Awareness can never know itself.

> > That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> > You are that.

> > You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

> > End of story.

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

> P: OK, Toomb, don't be greedy. Accept that

> Dan has helped him must, and that is that.

> Don't try to push Dan from the summit of

> his admiration with ultimate pontifications

> about reality. )

> >

>

Namaste,

 

Most of what Niz said was for those seeking the absolute...however his

references to karma and rebirth support the other theories or steps also. IE If

you don't become 'realised' and still have the ego so to speak then your

attributes and memories take rebirth..Tony.

 

Which mind is this.

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article6753086.ece

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > > > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me on

this

> > > > site. -Doug

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Life is a terminal illness.

> > > Awareness can never know itself.

> > > That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> > > You are that.

> > > You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

> > > End of story.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> > P: OK, Toomb, don't be greedy. Accept that

> > Dan has helped him must, and that is that.

> > Don't try to push Dan from the summit of

> > his admiration with ultimate pontifications

> > about reality. )

> > >

> >

> Namaste,

>

> Most of what Niz said was for those seeking the absolute...however his

references to karma and rebirth support the other theories or steps also. IE If

you don't become 'realised' and still have the ego so to speak then your

attributes and memories take rebirth..Tony.

>

 

 

Ramana said that neither karma nor reincarnation exists.....

 

(It has something to do with the entity in which those would supposedly occur.)

 

Who you gonna put your money on?

 

 

 

 

 

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

>

> > > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me on

this

> > > site. -Doug

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Life is a terminal illness.

> > Awareness can never know itself.

> > That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> > You are that.

> > You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

> > End of story.

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

> P: OK, Toomb, don't be greedy. Accept that

> Dan has helped him must, and that is that.

> Don't try to push Dan from the summit of

> his admiration with ultimate pontifications

> about reality. )

> >

>

 

 

 

Some want help and advise on the most comfortable places to stay.

Some want to know where the best food is served...and what they should wear.

Some what to be told which wine they should drink.

Some seek a few soothing words to make it through the dream.

 

And some want to know what the hell is going on......and will run across burning

coals to find out.

 

 

 

toombaru

 

 

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > > > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me on

this

> > > > site. -Doug

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Life is a terminal illness.

> > > Awareness can never know itself.

> > > That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> > > You are that.

> > > You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

> > > End of story.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> > P: OK, Toomb, don't be greedy. Accept that

> > Dan has helped him must, and that is that.

> > Don't try to push Dan from the summit of

> > his admiration with ultimate pontifications

> > about reality. )

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>T: Some want help and advise on the most comfortable places to stay.

> Some want to know where the best food is served...and what they should wear.

> Some what to be told which wine they should drink.

> Some seek a few soothing words to make it through the dream.

>

> And some want to know what the hell is going on......and will run across

burning coals to find out.

>

 

P: That's the very point, what goes on is beyond

knowing. It will never be known. Trying to

stand back from it to know it creates the duality

of the ghostly subject who suffers. Just be the

going on. Just do it!

 

>

>

> toombaru

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me

on this

> > > > > site. -Doug

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Life is a terminal illness.

> > > > Awareness can never know itself.

> > > > That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> > > > You are that.

> > > > You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

> > > > End of story.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > > P: OK, Toomb, don't be greedy. Accept that

> > > Dan has helped him must, and that is that.

> > > Don't try to push Dan from the summit of

> > > his admiration with ultimate pontifications

> > > about reality. )

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >T: Some want help and advise on the most comfortable places to stay.

> > Some want to know where the best food is served...and what they should wear.

> > Some what to be told which wine they should drink.

> > Some seek a few soothing words to make it through the dream.

> >

> > And some want to know what the hell is going on......and will run across

burning coals to find out.

> >

>

> P: That's the very point, what goes on is beyond

> knowing. It will never be known. Trying to

> stand back from it to know it creates the duality

> of the ghostly subject who suffers. Just be the

> going on. Just do it!

>

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

 

 

 

All these years I tried to see what's going on......

and all the time...I am it.

 

 

Ain't that a kick in the ass?

 

 

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

-

toombaru2006

Nisargadatta

Friday, August 07, 2009 12:12 PM

Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

<dan330033 wrote:

 

 

Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

<douglasmitch1963 wrote:

>

> In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

> > <douglasmitch1963@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta supposedly took his stand in the Absolute. This is

> > > proclaimed

> by him to be a desireless state, free of the bodymind identity. But when

> he was

> confronted with his cancer he said this, " I am not the least interested in

> this

> daily ritual of getting up in the morning, eating and again sleeping and

> all

> this...I have had enough of all that. I do not expect anything from this

> world.

> I am not going to acheive, attain, possess anything, because I am fed up

> with

> that very consciousness out of which the world is created and want to get

> rid of

> this consciousness. " (p.77, The Experience of Nothingness.) Sounds here

> like he

> was still identifying with some " thing " be it the body, or consciousness,

> or

> whatever. Any takers?

> >

> >

> > Douglas -

> >

> > One can only guess.

> >

> > If one were a friend of Nisargadatta's at the time, one could ask him

> > about

> it.

> >

> > He is dead, one has read his words translated from another language.

> >

> > One has no idea what was actually said, how it was interpreted and

> transcribed, how it was translated.

> >

> > One has no idea how Nisargadatta perceived the one to whom he spoke, or

> > what

> experience he was addressing through his words.

> >

> > What would be less of a guess for you, is what identification is for

> > you.

> >

> > You could ask that question of yourself - are you identified with

> > something or

> not? What is it to you to be identified or not identified?

> >

> > Experientially what is the difference for you?

> >

> > What is it not to be identified with experience?

> >

> > Then, you wouldn't be guessing as much.

> >

> > Although, once you spoke about it, we would be guessing, as your

> > readers, what

> you meant.

> >

> > Even if we spoke the same language that you speak and could ask you

> > about it

> as you were still alive.

> >

> > We would still be guessing.

> >

> > And the part of your brain that supplies language, would still be

> > guessing

> about what language to apply to the experience and understanding you were

> having, so as to bring that experience and understanding " to others. "

> >

> > And those others would just be whatever they were, in your experience

> > and

> understanding.

> >

> > Is it possible not to guess?

> >

> > To know directly?

> >

> > What do you say from this awareness, where you are not guessing?

> >

> >

> > -- Dan --

>

>

>

> >Dan,

> >The referenced quote makes me think that Nisargadatta and I are alike in

> >our

> sentiments about living with a terminal illness. I have AIDS and feel at

> times

> the way that Nisargadatta did about this supposed life. But there is a

> part of

> me that feels that the body is the " temple " of consciousness, and hence

> Awareness. The body should perhaps be something for which one is very

> grateful

> and blessed to have as a vehicle for the consciousness and Awareness.

> There is

> so much negativity pronounced upon the body by Nisargadatta that I find

> hard to

> accept. I know that I am not just this body, but I don't dismiss it

> outright.

> It has helped me via the mind to transcend and realize that the

> Awareness/Absolute would have no other way to know itself it were not for

> the

> body and mind. That is where i take my stand. Thanks for your thoughtful

> responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me on

> this

> site. -Doug

>

 

Life is a terminal illness.

Awareness can never know itself.

That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

You are that.

You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

End of story.

 

toombaru

 

Awareness does not need to know anything to be.

There is nothing beyond awareness.

-geo-

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> toombaru2006

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, August 07, 2009 12:12 PM

> Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033@> wrote:

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

> <douglasmitch1963@> wrote:

> >

> > In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

> > > <douglasmitch1963@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta supposedly took his stand in the Absolute. This is

> > > > proclaimed

> > by him to be a desireless state, free of the bodymind identity. But when

> > he was

> > confronted with his cancer he said this, " I am not the least interested in

> > this

> > daily ritual of getting up in the morning, eating and again sleeping and

> > all

> > this...I have had enough of all that. I do not expect anything from this

> > world.

> > I am not going to acheive, attain, possess anything, because I am fed up

> > with

> > that very consciousness out of which the world is created and want to get

> > rid of

> > this consciousness. " (p.77, The Experience of Nothingness.) Sounds here

> > like he

> > was still identifying with some " thing " be it the body, or consciousness,

> > or

> > whatever. Any takers?

> > >

> > >

> > > Douglas -

> > >

> > > One can only guess.

> > >

> > > If one were a friend of Nisargadatta's at the time, one could ask him

> > > about

> > it.

> > >

> > > He is dead, one has read his words translated from another language.

> > >

> > > One has no idea what was actually said, how it was interpreted and

> > transcribed, how it was translated.

> > >

> > > One has no idea how Nisargadatta perceived the one to whom he spoke, or

> > > what

> > experience he was addressing through his words.

> > >

> > > What would be less of a guess for you, is what identification is for

> > > you.

> > >

> > > You could ask that question of yourself - are you identified with

> > > something or

> > not? What is it to you to be identified or not identified?

> > >

> > > Experientially what is the difference for you?

> > >

> > > What is it not to be identified with experience?

> > >

> > > Then, you wouldn't be guessing as much.

> > >

> > > Although, once you spoke about it, we would be guessing, as your

> > > readers, what

> > you meant.

> > >

> > > Even if we spoke the same language that you speak and could ask you

> > > about it

> > as you were still alive.

> > >

> > > We would still be guessing.

> > >

> > > And the part of your brain that supplies language, would still be

> > > guessing

> > about what language to apply to the experience and understanding you were

> > having, so as to bring that experience and understanding " to others. "

> > >

> > > And those others would just be whatever they were, in your experience

> > > and

> > understanding.

> > >

> > > Is it possible not to guess?

> > >

> > > To know directly?

> > >

> > > What do you say from this awareness, where you are not guessing?

> > >

> > >

> > > -- Dan --

> >

> >

> >

> > >Dan,

> > >The referenced quote makes me think that Nisargadatta and I are alike in

> > >our

> > sentiments about living with a terminal illness. I have AIDS and feel at

> > times

> > the way that Nisargadatta did about this supposed life. But there is a

> > part of

> > me that feels that the body is the " temple " of consciousness, and hence

> > Awareness. The body should perhaps be something for which one is very

> > grateful

> > and blessed to have as a vehicle for the consciousness and Awareness.

> > There is

> > so much negativity pronounced upon the body by Nisargadatta that I find

> > hard to

> > accept. I know that I am not just this body, but I don't dismiss it

> > outright.

> > It has helped me via the mind to transcend and realize that the

> > Awareness/Absolute would have no other way to know itself it were not for

> > the

> > body and mind. That is where i take my stand. Thanks for your thoughtful

> > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me on

> > this

> > site. -Doug

> >

>

> Life is a terminal illness.

> Awareness can never know itself.

> That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> You are that.

> You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

> End of story.

>

> toombaru

>

> Awareness does not need to know anything to be.

> There is nothing beyond awareness.

> -geo-

>

 

 

So.......you have a label that pictures something called " awareness " ......and

you have a label that pictures something called " nothingness " ......

 

And the conclusion is that there the nothingness thing beyond the awareness

thing.

 

 

I'm starting to see where you are coming from.

 

 

 

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

-

toombaru2006

Nisargadatta

Friday, August 07, 2009 1:34 PM

Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

<dan330033 wrote:

 

 

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

>

> > > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me

> > > on this

> > > site. -Doug

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Life is a terminal illness.

> > Awareness can never know itself.

> > That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> > You are that.

> > You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

> > End of story.

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

> P: OK, Toomb, don't be greedy. Accept that

> Dan has helped him must, and that is that.

> Don't try to push Dan from the summit of

> his admiration with ultimate pontifications

> about reality. )

> >

>

 

Some want help and advise on the most comfortable places to stay.

Some want to know where the best food is served...and what they should wear.

Some what to be told which wine they should drink.

Some seek a few soothing words to make it through the dream.

 

And some want to know what the hell is going on......and will run across

burning coals to find out.

 

toombaru

 

And some think they have it all.

-geo-

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> toombaru2006

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, August 07, 2009 1:34 PM

> Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033@> wrote:

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > > > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me

> > > > on this

> > > > site. -Doug

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Life is a terminal illness.

> > > Awareness can never know itself.

> > > That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> > > You are that.

> > > You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

> > > End of story.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> > P: OK, Toomb, don't be greedy. Accept that

> > Dan has helped him must, and that is that.

> > Don't try to push Dan from the summit of

> > his admiration with ultimate pontifications

> > about reality. )

> > >

> >

>

> Some want help and advise on the most comfortable places to stay.

> Some want to know where the best food is served...and what they should wear.

> Some what to be told which wine they should drink.

> Some seek a few soothing words to make it through the dream.

>

> And some want to know what the hell is going on......and will run across

> burning coals to find out.

>

> toombaru

>

> And some think they have it all.

> -geo-

>

 

 

......and a few are it all.

 

 

 

That shall be your new name.

 

 

'Amitall "

 

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me

on this

> > > > > site. -Doug

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Life is a terminal illness.

> > > > Awareness can never know itself.

> > > > That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> > > > You are that.

> > > > You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

> > > > End of story.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > > P: OK, Toomb, don't be greedy. Accept that

> > > Dan has helped him must, and that is that.

> > > Don't try to push Dan from the summit of

> > > his admiration with ultimate pontifications

> > > about reality. )

> > > >

> > >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Most of what Niz said was for those seeking the absolute...however his

references to karma and rebirth support the other theories or steps also. IE If

you don't become 'realised' and still have the ego so to speak then your

attributes and memories take rebirth..Tony.

> >

>

>

> Ramana said that neither karma nor reincarnation exists.....

>

> (It has something to do with the entity in which those would supposedly

occur.)

>

> Who you gonna put your money on?

> toombaru

>

Namaste Toombs,

 

I can say ajativada --- nothing ever happened but as Sankara said it is real

enough whilst one is in it.....

 

I would put my money on the references they make to karma for people who still

believe they are not realised and have an ego.

 

When the food bodydrops there are still the other kosas or sheaths

surviving...if a person is realised they dissipate as there is not personal I

thought for them to hang on to. However if there is an ego then they survive and

the attributes and memories form a new body in consciousness.........

[Guest guest]

-

toombaru2006

Nisargadatta

Friday, August 07, 2009 2:39 PM

Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

<dan330033 wrote:

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> toombaru2006

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, August 07, 2009 12:12 PM

> Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033@> wrote:

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

> <douglasmitch1963@> wrote:

> >

> > In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

> > > <douglasmitch1963@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta supposedly took his stand in the Absolute. This is

> > > > proclaimed

> > by him to be a desireless state, free of the bodymind identity. But when

> > he was

> > confronted with his cancer he said this, " I am not the least interested

> > in

> > this

> > daily ritual of getting up in the morning, eating and again sleeping and

> > all

> > this...I have had enough of all that. I do not expect anything from this

> > world.

> > I am not going to acheive, attain, possess anything, because I am fed up

> > with

> > that very consciousness out of which the world is created and want to

> > get

> > rid of

> > this consciousness. " (p.77, The Experience of Nothingness.) Sounds here

> > like he

> > was still identifying with some " thing " be it the body, or

> > consciousness,

> > or

> > whatever. Any takers?

> > >

> > >

> > > Douglas -

> > >

> > > One can only guess.

> > >

> > > If one were a friend of Nisargadatta's at the time, one could ask him

> > > about

> > it.

> > >

> > > He is dead, one has read his words translated from another language.

> > >

> > > One has no idea what was actually said, how it was interpreted and

> > transcribed, how it was translated.

> > >

> > > One has no idea how Nisargadatta perceived the one to whom he spoke,

> > > or

> > > what

> > experience he was addressing through his words.

> > >

> > > What would be less of a guess for you, is what identification is for

> > > you.

> > >

> > > You could ask that question of yourself - are you identified with

> > > something or

> > not? What is it to you to be identified or not identified?

> > >

> > > Experientially what is the difference for you?

> > >

> > > What is it not to be identified with experience?

> > >

> > > Then, you wouldn't be guessing as much.

> > >

> > > Although, once you spoke about it, we would be guessing, as your

> > > readers, what

> > you meant.

> > >

> > > Even if we spoke the same language that you speak and could ask you

> > > about it

> > as you were still alive.

> > >

> > > We would still be guessing.

> > >

> > > And the part of your brain that supplies language, would still be

> > > guessing

> > about what language to apply to the experience and understanding you

> > were

> > having, so as to bring that experience and understanding " to others. "

> > >

> > > And those others would just be whatever they were, in your experience

> > > and

> > understanding.

> > >

> > > Is it possible not to guess?

> > >

> > > To know directly?

> > >

> > > What do you say from this awareness, where you are not guessing?

> > >

> > >

> > > -- Dan --

> >

> >

> >

> > >Dan,

> > >The referenced quote makes me think that Nisargadatta and I are alike

> > >in

> > >our

> > sentiments about living with a terminal illness. I have AIDS and feel at

> > times

> > the way that Nisargadatta did about this supposed life. But there is a

> > part of

> > me that feels that the body is the " temple " of consciousness, and hence

> > Awareness. The body should perhaps be something for which one is very

> > grateful

> > and blessed to have as a vehicle for the consciousness and Awareness.

> > There is

> > so much negativity pronounced upon the body by Nisargadatta that I find

> > hard to

> > accept. I know that I am not just this body, but I don't dismiss it

> > outright.

> > It has helped me via the mind to transcend and realize that the

> > Awareness/Absolute would have no other way to know itself it were not

> > for

> > the

> > body and mind. That is where i take my stand. Thanks for your thoughtful

> > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me on

> > this

> > site. -Doug

> >

>

> Life is a terminal illness.

> Awareness can never know itself.

> That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> You are that.

> You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

> End of story.

>

> toombaru

>

> Awareness does not need to know anything to be.

> There is nothing beyond awareness.

> -geo-

>

 

So.......you have a label that pictures something called

" awareness " ......and you have a label that pictures something called

" nothingness " ......

 

And the conclusion is that there the nothingness thing beyond the awareness

thing.

 

I'm starting to see where you are coming from.

 

toombaru

 

So...you a have a picture called " awareness that can not know itself "

You have a picture called notigness (your message above)

And the conclusion is that there is a notigness thing beyond " awareness that

can not know itself " thing.

-geo-

[Guest guest]

-

toombaru2006

Nisargadatta

Friday, August 07, 2009 2:45 PM

Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

<dan330033 wrote:

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> toombaru2006

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, August 07, 2009 1:34 PM

> Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033@> wrote:

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > > > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me

> > > > on this

> > > > site. -Doug

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Life is a terminal illness.

> > > Awareness can never know itself.

> > > That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> > > You are that.

> > > You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

> > > End of story.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> > P: OK, Toomb, don't be greedy. Accept that

> > Dan has helped him must, and that is that.

> > Don't try to push Dan from the summit of

> > his admiration with ultimate pontifications

> > about reality. )

> > >

> >

>

> Some want help and advise on the most comfortable places to stay.

> Some want to know where the best food is served...and what they should

> wear.

> Some what to be told which wine they should drink.

> Some seek a few soothing words to make it through the dream.

>

> And some want to know what the hell is going on......and will run across

> burning coals to find out.

>

> toombaru

>

> And some think they have it all.

> -geo-

>

 

......and a few are it all.

 

That shall be your new name.

 

'Amitall "

 

toombaru

 

Oh yes...that makes sense. But can be just words...

-geo-

[Guest guest]

-

toombaru2006

Nisargadatta

Friday, August 07, 2009 2:45 PM

Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

<dan330033 wrote:

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> toombaru2006

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, August 07, 2009 1:34 PM

> Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033@> wrote:

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > > > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me

> > > > on this

> > > > site. -Doug

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Life is a terminal illness.

> > > Awareness can never know itself.

> > > That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> > > You are that.

> > > You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

> > > End of story.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> > P: OK, Toomb, don't be greedy. Accept that

> > Dan has helped him must, and that is that.

> > Don't try to push Dan from the summit of

> > his admiration with ultimate pontifications

> > about reality. )

> > >

> >

>

> Some want help and advise on the most comfortable places to stay.

> Some want to know where the best food is served...and what they should

> wear.

> Some what to be told which wine they should drink.

> Some seek a few soothing words to make it through the dream.

>

> And some want to know what the hell is going on......and will run across

> burning coals to find out.

>

> toombaru

>

> And some think they have it all.

> -geo-

>

 

......and a few are it all.

 

That shall be your new name.

 

'Amitall "

 

toombaru

 

But...even fewer can say I am beyond

-geo-

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me

on this

> > > > > > site. -Doug

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Life is a terminal illness.

> > > > > Awareness can never know itself.

> > > > > That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> > > > > You are that.

> > > > > You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

> > > > > End of story.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > > > P: OK, Toomb, don't be greedy. Accept that

> > > > Dan has helped him must, and that is that.

> > > > Don't try to push Dan from the summit of

> > > > his admiration with ultimate pontifications

> > > > about reality. )

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > Most of what Niz said was for those seeking the absolute...however his

references to karma and rebirth support the other theories or steps also. IE If

you don't become 'realised' and still have the ego so to speak then your

attributes and memories take rebirth..Tony.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Ramana said that neither karma nor reincarnation exists.....

> >

> > (It has something to do with the entity in which those would supposedly

occur.)

> >

> > Who you gonna put your money on?

> > toombaru

> >

> Namaste Toombs,

>

> I can say ajativada --- nothing ever happened but as Sankara said it is real

enough whilst one is in it.....

>

> I would put my money on the references they make to karma for people who

still believe they are not realised and have an ego.

>

> When the food bodydrops there are still the other kosas or sheaths

surviving...if a person is realised they dissipate as there is not personal I

thought for them to hang on to. However if there is an ego then they survive and

the attributes and memories form a new body in consciousness.........

>

 

 

 

You'll have to let us know how that turns out.

 

 

:-)

 

 

love

 

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> toombaru2006

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, August 07, 2009 2:39 PM

> Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033@> wrote:

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > toombaru2006

> > Nisargadatta

> > Friday, August 07, 2009 12:12 PM

> > Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> > <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

> > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote:

> > >

> > > In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

> > > > <douglasmitch1963@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta supposedly took his stand in the Absolute. This is

> > > > > proclaimed

> > > by him to be a desireless state, free of the bodymind identity. But when

> > > he was

> > > confronted with his cancer he said this, " I am not the least interested

> > > in

> > > this

> > > daily ritual of getting up in the morning, eating and again sleeping and

> > > all

> > > this...I have had enough of all that. I do not expect anything from this

> > > world.

> > > I am not going to acheive, attain, possess anything, because I am fed up

> > > with

> > > that very consciousness out of which the world is created and want to

> > > get

> > > rid of

> > > this consciousness. " (p.77, The Experience of Nothingness.) Sounds here

> > > like he

> > > was still identifying with some " thing " be it the body, or

> > > consciousness,

> > > or

> > > whatever. Any takers?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Douglas -

> > > >

> > > > One can only guess.

> > > >

> > > > If one were a friend of Nisargadatta's at the time, one could ask him

> > > > about

> > > it.

> > > >

> > > > He is dead, one has read his words translated from another language.

> > > >

> > > > One has no idea what was actually said, how it was interpreted and

> > > transcribed, how it was translated.

> > > >

> > > > One has no idea how Nisargadatta perceived the one to whom he spoke,

> > > > or

> > > > what

> > > experience he was addressing through his words.

> > > >

> > > > What would be less of a guess for you, is what identification is for

> > > > you.

> > > >

> > > > You could ask that question of yourself - are you identified with

> > > > something or

> > > not? What is it to you to be identified or not identified?

> > > >

> > > > Experientially what is the difference for you?

> > > >

> > > > What is it not to be identified with experience?

> > > >

> > > > Then, you wouldn't be guessing as much.

> > > >

> > > > Although, once you spoke about it, we would be guessing, as your

> > > > readers, what

> > > you meant.

> > > >

> > > > Even if we spoke the same language that you speak and could ask you

> > > > about it

> > > as you were still alive.

> > > >

> > > > We would still be guessing.

> > > >

> > > > And the part of your brain that supplies language, would still be

> > > > guessing

> > > about what language to apply to the experience and understanding you

> > > were

> > > having, so as to bring that experience and understanding " to others. "

> > > >

> > > > And those others would just be whatever they were, in your experience

> > > > and

> > > understanding.

> > > >

> > > > Is it possible not to guess?

> > > >

> > > > To know directly?

> > > >

> > > > What do you say from this awareness, where you are not guessing?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -- Dan --

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >Dan,

> > > >The referenced quote makes me think that Nisargadatta and I are alike

> > > >in

> > > >our

> > > sentiments about living with a terminal illness. I have AIDS and feel at

> > > times

> > > the way that Nisargadatta did about this supposed life. But there is a

> > > part of

> > > me that feels that the body is the " temple " of consciousness, and hence

> > > Awareness. The body should perhaps be something for which one is very

> > > grateful

> > > and blessed to have as a vehicle for the consciousness and Awareness.

> > > There is

> > > so much negativity pronounced upon the body by Nisargadatta that I find

> > > hard to

> > > accept. I know that I am not just this body, but I don't dismiss it

> > > outright.

> > > It has helped me via the mind to transcend and realize that the

> > > Awareness/Absolute would have no other way to know itself it were not

> > > for

> > > the

> > > body and mind. That is where i take my stand. Thanks for your thoughtful

> > > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me on

> > > this

> > > site. -Doug

> > >

> >

> > Life is a terminal illness.

> > Awareness can never know itself.

> > That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> > You are that.

> > You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

> > End of story.

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> > Awareness does not need to know anything to be.

> > There is nothing beyond awareness.

> > -geo-

> >

>

> So.......you have a label that pictures something called

> " awareness " ......and you have a label that pictures something called

> " nothingness " ......

>

> And the conclusion is that there the nothingness thing beyond the awareness

> thing.

>

> I'm starting to see where you are coming from.

>

> toombaru

>

> So...you a have a picture called " awareness that can not know itself "

> You have a picture called notigness (your message above)

> And the conclusion is that there is a notigness thing beyond " awareness that

> can not know itself " thing.

> -geo-

>

 

 

 

 

Yup.

 

 

Something very odd happens when awareness gets a glimpse of its own empty

skirts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> toombaru2006

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, August 07, 2009 2:45 PM

> Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033@> wrote:

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > toombaru2006

> > Nisargadatta

> > Friday, August 07, 2009 1:34 PM

> > Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> > <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me

> > > > > on this

> > > > > site. -Doug

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Life is a terminal illness.

> > > > Awareness can never know itself.

> > > > That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> > > > You are that.

> > > > You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

> > > > End of story.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > > P: OK, Toomb, don't be greedy. Accept that

> > > Dan has helped him must, and that is that.

> > > Don't try to push Dan from the summit of

> > > his admiration with ultimate pontifications

> > > about reality. )

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > Some want help and advise on the most comfortable places to stay.

> > Some want to know where the best food is served...and what they should

> > wear.

> > Some what to be told which wine they should drink.

> > Some seek a few soothing words to make it through the dream.

> >

> > And some want to know what the hell is going on......and will run across

> > burning coals to find out.

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> > And some think they have it all.

> > -geo-

> >

>

> .....and a few are it all.

>

> That shall be your new name.

>

> 'Amitall "

>

> toombaru

>

> But...even fewer can say I am beyond

> -geo-

>

 

 

 

Anybody can say anything.

 

Nobody can get beyond what they are.

 

 

 

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

-

toombaru2006

Nisargadatta

Friday, August 07, 2009 3:09 PM

Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

<dan330033 wrote:

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> toombaru2006

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, August 07, 2009 2:39 PM

> Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033@> wrote:

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > toombaru2006

> > Nisargadatta

> > Friday, August 07, 2009 12:12 PM

> > Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> > <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

> > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote:

> > >

> > > In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

> > > > <douglasmitch1963@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta supposedly took his stand in the Absolute. This is

> > > > > proclaimed

> > > by him to be a desireless state, free of the bodymind identity. But

> > > when

> > > he was

> > > confronted with his cancer he said this, " I am not the least interested

> > > in

> > > this

> > > daily ritual of getting up in the morning, eating and again sleeping

> > > and

> > > all

> > > this...I have had enough of all that. I do not expect anything from

> > > this

> > > world.

> > > I am not going to acheive, attain, possess anything, because I am fed

> > > up

> > > with

> > > that very consciousness out of which the world is created and want to

> > > get

> > > rid of

> > > this consciousness. " (p.77, The Experience of Nothingness.) Sounds

> > > here

> > > like he

> > > was still identifying with some " thing " be it the body, or

> > > consciousness,

> > > or

> > > whatever. Any takers?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Douglas -

> > > >

> > > > One can only guess.

> > > >

> > > > If one were a friend of Nisargadatta's at the time, one could ask

> > > > him

> > > > about

> > > it.

> > > >

> > > > He is dead, one has read his words translated from another language.

> > > >

> > > > One has no idea what was actually said, how it was interpreted and

> > > transcribed, how it was translated.

> > > >

> > > > One has no idea how Nisargadatta perceived the one to whom he spoke,

> > > > or

> > > > what

> > > experience he was addressing through his words.

> > > >

> > > > What would be less of a guess for you, is what identification is for

> > > > you.

> > > >

> > > > You could ask that question of yourself - are you identified with

> > > > something or

> > > not? What is it to you to be identified or not identified?

> > > >

> > > > Experientially what is the difference for you?

> > > >

> > > > What is it not to be identified with experience?

> > > >

> > > > Then, you wouldn't be guessing as much.

> > > >

> > > > Although, once you spoke about it, we would be guessing, as your

> > > > readers, what

> > > you meant.

> > > >

> > > > Even if we spoke the same language that you speak and could ask you

> > > > about it

> > > as you were still alive.

> > > >

> > > > We would still be guessing.

> > > >

> > > > And the part of your brain that supplies language, would still be

> > > > guessing

> > > about what language to apply to the experience and understanding you

> > > were

> > > having, so as to bring that experience and understanding " to others. "

> > > >

> > > > And those others would just be whatever they were, in your

> > > > experience

> > > > and

> > > understanding.

> > > >

> > > > Is it possible not to guess?

> > > >

> > > > To know directly?

> > > >

> > > > What do you say from this awareness, where you are not guessing?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -- Dan --

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >Dan,

> > > >The referenced quote makes me think that Nisargadatta and I are alike

> > > >in

> > > >our

> > > sentiments about living with a terminal illness. I have AIDS and feel

> > > at

> > > times

> > > the way that Nisargadatta did about this supposed life. But there is a

> > > part of

> > > me that feels that the body is the " temple " of consciousness, and

> > > hence

> > > Awareness. The body should perhaps be something for which one is very

> > > grateful

> > > and blessed to have as a vehicle for the consciousness and Awareness.

> > > There is

> > > so much negativity pronounced upon the body by Nisargadatta that I

> > > find

> > > hard to

> > > accept. I know that I am not just this body, but I don't dismiss it

> > > outright.

> > > It has helped me via the mind to transcend and realize that the

> > > Awareness/Absolute would have no other way to know itself it were not

> > > for

> > > the

> > > body and mind. That is where i take my stand. Thanks for your

> > > thoughtful

> > > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me

> > > on

> > > this

> > > site. -Doug

> > >

> >

> > Life is a terminal illness.

> > Awareness can never know itself.

> > That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> > You are that.

> > You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

> > End of story.

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> > Awareness does not need to know anything to be.

> > There is nothing beyond awareness.

> > -geo-

> >

>

> So.......you have a label that pictures something called

> " awareness " ......and you have a label that pictures something called

> " nothingness " ......

>

> And the conclusion is that there the nothingness thing beyond the

> awareness

> thing.

>

> I'm starting to see where you are coming from.

>

> toombaru

>

> So...you a have a picture called " awareness that can not know itself "

> You have a picture called notigness (your message above)

> And the conclusion is that there is a notigness thing beyond " awareness

> that

> can not know itself " thing.

> -geo-

>

 

Yup.

 

Something very odd happens when awareness gets a glimpse of its own empty

skirts.

 

toombaru

 

So now there IS an awareness that is empty...

-geo-

[Guest guest]

-

toombaru2006

Nisargadatta

Friday, August 07, 2009 3:12 PM

Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

<dan330033 wrote:

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> toombaru2006

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, August 07, 2009 2:45 PM

> Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033@> wrote:

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > toombaru2006

> > Nisargadatta

> > Friday, August 07, 2009 1:34 PM

> > Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> > <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to

> > > > > me

> > > > > on this

> > > > > site. -Doug

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Life is a terminal illness.

> > > > Awareness can never know itself.

> > > > That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> > > > You are that.

> > > > You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

> > > > End of story.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > > P: OK, Toomb, don't be greedy. Accept that

> > > Dan has helped him must, and that is that.

> > > Don't try to push Dan from the summit of

> > > his admiration with ultimate pontifications

> > > about reality. )

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > Some want help and advise on the most comfortable places to stay.

> > Some want to know where the best food is served...and what they should

> > wear.

> > Some what to be told which wine they should drink.

> > Some seek a few soothing words to make it through the dream.

> >

> > And some want to know what the hell is going on......and will run across

> > burning coals to find out.

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> > And some think they have it all.

> > -geo-

> >

>

> .....and a few are it all.

>

> That shall be your new name.

>

> 'Amitall "

>

> toombaru

>

> But...even fewer can say I am beyond

> -geo-

>

 

Anybody can say anything.

 

Nobody can get beyond what they are.

 

toombaru

 

Oh certainly - nobady.

Only that which is absolutely and totaly empty - including space, time and

dimension.

Certainly nobady.

-geo-

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> toombaru2006

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, August 07, 2009 3:12 PM

> Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033@> wrote:

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > toombaru2006

> > Nisargadatta

> > Friday, August 07, 2009 2:45 PM

> > Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> > <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > toombaru2006

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Friday, August 07, 2009 1:34 PM

> > > Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> > > <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > on this

> > > > > > site. -Doug

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Life is a terminal illness.

> > > > > Awareness can never know itself.

> > > > > That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> > > > > You are that.

> > > > > You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

> > > > > End of story.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > > > P: OK, Toomb, don't be greedy. Accept that

> > > > Dan has helped him must, and that is that.

> > > > Don't try to push Dan from the summit of

> > > > his admiration with ultimate pontifications

> > > > about reality. )

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Some want help and advise on the most comfortable places to stay.

> > > Some want to know where the best food is served...and what they should

> > > wear.

> > > Some what to be told which wine they should drink.

> > > Some seek a few soothing words to make it through the dream.

> > >

> > > And some want to know what the hell is going on......and will run across

> > > burning coals to find out.

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> > > And some think they have it all.

> > > -geo-

> > >

> >

> > .....and a few are it all.

> >

> > That shall be your new name.

> >

> > 'Amitall "

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> > But...even fewer can say I am beyond

> > -geo-

> >

>

> Anybody can say anything.

>

> Nobody can get beyond what they are.

>

> toombaru

>

> Oh certainly - nobady.

> Only that which is absolutely and totaly empty - including space, time and

> dimension.

> Certainly nobady.

> -geo-

>

 

 

 

 

Oh...you mean..........eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemmmpty.

 

 

Now we're talkin.

 

 

:-)

 

 

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> toombaru2006

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, August 07, 2009 3:09 PM

> Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033@> wrote:

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > toombaru2006

> > Nisargadatta

> > Friday, August 07, 2009 2:39 PM

> > Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> > <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > toombaru2006

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Friday, August 07, 2009 12:12 PM

> > > Re: In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> > > <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

> > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

> > > > > <douglasmitch1963@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta supposedly took his stand in the Absolute. This is

> > > > > > proclaimed

> > > > by him to be a desireless state, free of the bodymind identity. But

> > > > when

> > > > he was

> > > > confronted with his cancer he said this, " I am not the least interested

> > > > in

> > > > this

> > > > daily ritual of getting up in the morning, eating and again sleeping

> > > > and

> > > > all

> > > > this...I have had enough of all that. I do not expect anything from

> > > > this

> > > > world.

> > > > I am not going to acheive, attain, possess anything, because I am fed

> > > > up

> > > > with

> > > > that very consciousness out of which the world is created and want to

> > > > get

> > > > rid of

> > > > this consciousness. " (p.77, The Experience of Nothingness.) Sounds

> > > > here

> > > > like he

> > > > was still identifying with some " thing " be it the body, or

> > > > consciousness,

> > > > or

> > > > whatever. Any takers?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Douglas -

> > > > >

> > > > > One can only guess.

> > > > >

> > > > > If one were a friend of Nisargadatta's at the time, one could ask

> > > > > him

> > > > > about

> > > > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > He is dead, one has read his words translated from another language.

> > > > >

> > > > > One has no idea what was actually said, how it was interpreted and

> > > > transcribed, how it was translated.

> > > > >

> > > > > One has no idea how Nisargadatta perceived the one to whom he spoke,

> > > > > or

> > > > > what

> > > > experience he was addressing through his words.

> > > > >

> > > > > What would be less of a guess for you, is what identification is for

> > > > > you.

> > > > >

> > > > > You could ask that question of yourself - are you identified with

> > > > > something or

> > > > not? What is it to you to be identified or not identified?

> > > > >

> > > > > Experientially what is the difference for you?

> > > > >

> > > > > What is it not to be identified with experience?

> > > > >

> > > > > Then, you wouldn't be guessing as much.

> > > > >

> > > > > Although, once you spoke about it, we would be guessing, as your

> > > > > readers, what

> > > > you meant.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even if we spoke the same language that you speak and could ask you

> > > > > about it

> > > > as you were still alive.

> > > > >

> > > > > We would still be guessing.

> > > > >

> > > > > And the part of your brain that supplies language, would still be

> > > > > guessing

> > > > about what language to apply to the experience and understanding you

> > > > were

> > > > having, so as to bring that experience and understanding " to others. "

> > > > >

> > > > > And those others would just be whatever they were, in your

> > > > > experience

> > > > > and

> > > > understanding.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is it possible not to guess?

> > > > >

> > > > > To know directly?

> > > > >

> > > > > What do you say from this awareness, where you are not guessing?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -- Dan --

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >Dan,

> > > > >The referenced quote makes me think that Nisargadatta and I are alike

> > > > >in

> > > > >our

> > > > sentiments about living with a terminal illness. I have AIDS and feel

> > > > at

> > > > times

> > > > the way that Nisargadatta did about this supposed life. But there is a

> > > > part of

> > > > me that feels that the body is the " temple " of consciousness, and

> > > > hence

> > > > Awareness. The body should perhaps be something for which one is very

> > > > grateful

> > > > and blessed to have as a vehicle for the consciousness and Awareness.

> > > > There is

> > > > so much negativity pronounced upon the body by Nisargadatta that I

> > > > find

> > > > hard to

> > > > accept. I know that I am not just this body, but I don't dismiss it

> > > > outright.

> > > > It has helped me via the mind to transcend and realize that the

> > > > Awareness/Absolute would have no other way to know itself it were not

> > > > for

> > > > the

> > > > body and mind. That is where i take my stand. Thanks for your

> > > > thoughtful

> > > > responses to my inquiries, Dan. You have been the most helpful to me

> > > > on

> > > > this

> > > > site. -Doug

> > > >

> > >

> > > Life is a terminal illness.

> > > Awareness can never know itself.

> > > That means that there is noting beyond awareness.

> > > You are that.

> > > You are the cutting edge of consciousness.

> > > End of story.

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> > > Awareness does not need to know anything to be.

> > > There is nothing beyond awareness.

> > > -geo-

> > >

> >

> > So.......you have a label that pictures something called

> > " awareness " ......and you have a label that pictures something called

> > " nothingness " ......

> >

> > And the conclusion is that there the nothingness thing beyond the

> > awareness

> > thing.

> >

> > I'm starting to see where you are coming from.

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> > So...you a have a picture called " awareness that can not know itself "

> > You have a picture called notigness (your message above)

> > And the conclusion is that there is a notigness thing beyond " awareness

> > that

> > can not know itself " thing.

> > -geo-

> >

>

> Yup.

>

> Something very odd happens when awareness gets a glimpse of its own empty

> skirts.

>

> toombaru

>

> So now there IS an awareness that is empty...

> -geo-

>

 

 

 

 

 

Words can only take you to the edge.

 

 

It is you who as to take the leap.

 

 

No one can hold your hand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

toombaru