Guest guest Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg@> wrote: > > > > > > Werner, You are not listening to Doug. You're taking your own opinion as authoritative. Get it? > > > > > > Yes, I get it, > > > > and from now on I no longer will have opinions. It is so stupid to have any. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > P: That's an opinion that you'll drop like a hot potato. > Kamikaze opinions don't live long. ) > Heh heh, Pete, You have caught me, congrats ... Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful thinking on my part. > I have no delusion about individual life after death. However, I have > noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says to folks who still > identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth if that is their > belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that reincarnation is > not real and meant for the ignorant masses? > > folks who still identify with their body ~ > > like reincarnation ~ > > > identify with... > > their ignorant masses all the more for your begging bowl Edgy ~sky. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " wwoehr@ wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful thinking on my > part. I have no delusion about individual life after death. However, I > have noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says to folks who still > identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth if that is their > belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that reincarnation is > not real and meant for the ignorant masses? > > > > > > > > > > > > > When younger Niz believed in reincarnatioin but in his later years > he denied that there is such a thing. This are just different phases in > his life which confuse you. > > > > > > The conclusion is better not to blieve in any authority. > > > > > > > > > The troubling fact of life is, that for whatever reason, we hang on to > dear life with famous dead guys (trademark) words. > > > > Until we become our own authority, thru trial and error... > > > > ~A > > > Werner > > > > > > > > " Trial and Error " !!?? > > Still sounds pretty > > Authoritarian!!! > > Who's the judge? > > What's the error? > > > I reject all authority > > Including my own > > > Rather: > > > " A man does what he feels " > > (from a Charles Bronson movie) > > > ..if and when it feels good > > Let's say that my feelings in the Now > > Are MY only " authority " > > [] you wrote that in such pretty girly colors sky. are you on Edg? ROFLMAO! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , "douglasmitch1963" <douglasmitch1963 wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "duveyoung" <edg@> wrote:> >> > What's not cutting it as far as you're concerned with the Cosmic Ego concept? What seems jarring or missing or illogical?> > > > Edg> > > Doug: "I am" already contains the concept of being the cosmos. No adding it after the death of the body. The body is the food for consciousness. Once the food is gone so is the consciousness of that food body. There is no longer a bigger body to identify with.Edg: Gotta disagree. I think one can identify with God's ego, the Cosmic Ego, enough so that one can then let go of the less glamorous individual ego. The body can then die, POOF! -- but the identification process will have move the spirit to another abode -- that is, one recognizes one's greater status instead of deluding oneself that one is a small body. This happens when the individual ego gets so jiggy with operational subtleties that the boundary between one's body and the universe simply becomes too arbitrary and, er, one's "spirit" as if "expands" to the status of inhabiting the "Cosmic Body."If we shake hands, there's no way, except arbitrarily, to tell where your body's quarks end and mine begin. That's straight physical law....scientific wisdom. On that quark level, if one's sensitivity to manifestation is able to see this level's truth clearly, then POP goes the weasel, and now one's stuck in God Consciousness. Now there's a prison! How'd you like to have to give up all the siddhis? I can't even go without cable TV! An unenlightened saint will be attached to sattva -- that is, sold out to creationism's sweetness. Uck! This is merely being angelic. However, the enlightened saint has been freed, and these guys come in three differing varieties: 1. Beginner saint: his individual ego knows his Identity, the Absolute, and is humbled by the fact that Elvis, the Absolute, is in the building. Elvisness is an all time reality even during deep sleep when the individual ego is silent, but all of manifestation yet remains as a cacophony and can be quite challenging since that which one now IS no longer is doing the listening....yet there's a listener pushing the buttons on the car's radio. Now, Elvis doesn't drive; he's got a robot limo driver, ya see? The beginner saint, free but witnessing a mind in such noisy turmoil begins to evolve in the relative -- he's got the Absolute down pat, but the relative can still be improved. 2. So now, in huge waves of love, the beginner saint begins to appreciate the finer levels of creation until finally all is within his ken by his having loved every speck of it. That's 2. God Consciousness -- everywhere/when you look, you see God -- that is: recognize the Sacred Presence's vibes at the basis of all things. Now, the 2. accomplished saint is no more free than a 1. beginner saint -- both have the maximum amount of freedom and have the Absolute as all time realities, there's no chance at reattachment, no reincarnation, but type #2. saint has got entirety at the end of his yoyo string, and there is no more confusion, no more noise heard, only harmonious variations of OM. What more can be accomplished? 3. The fully enlightened saint no longer seeks for more -- the seeking of the body finally ceases. That is: all desires are now seen clearly as rivers flowing into the ocean of fulfillment -- seeking can end when all desires are fulfilled. And so, 3. Unity dawns when that which was seeking now becomes quiescent and, finally, at last, the ego is silenced for good. Now, even Brahma will be found praying -- praying to that which you are, Identity. There's your enlightenment primer. It's all there in Nisargadatta's statements, but usually he's talking about 3. Unity -- not the lesser states of enlightenment. Not knowing these delineations can get one goofyass with all kinds of wrong-headedness about Nisargadatta's truths. Take heed you scholars out there -- it's not a matter of understanding so much as it is a process of saturation -- dues must be paid -- gotta dwell on attributes if you're going to be a educated intellect. Edg> > Nisargadatta , "douglasmitch1963" <douglasmitch1963@> wrote:> > >> > > Nisargadatta , "duveyoung" <edg@> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , "douglasmitch1963"> > > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Nisargadatta , "duveyoung" edg@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > "douglasmitch1963" <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: Outer guru is> > > > challenging inner guru is what is happening.> > > > > >> > > > > > Edg: Can ya give me a paragraph at least? I don't feel that my> > > > outer guru is at odds with my inner guru. So, what's ya gettin' at with> > > > this word, "challenging?"> > > > > >> > > > > > Inner guru reveals no reincarnation. Outer guru (Nisargadatta)> > > > reveals no reincarnation, except if a person believes in reincarnation. > > > > This is the challenge: How could Nis say that?> > > > > > > > Edg: I have posted here in some detail about the Cosmic Ego. To me,> > > > the Cosmic Ego is an all-time reality that can be identified with even> > > > after identification with the individual ego has ceased, and Cosmic Ego> > > > can be said to have the universe as its body. That ego can be said to> > > > be the incarnating false sentience of all beings -- thus: incarnation is> > > > as real as anything if reality is taken to be ultimate.> > > > > > > > But, Nisargadatta says he's eaten the world, and I take that to mean> > > > that he's dumped identifying with the Cosmic Ego also. Like that, I> > > > think that one can have one's incarnation and escape it too.> > > > > > > > When Nisargadatta died, the Cosmic Ego said: "Where the fuck did> > > > Nisargadatta go? I was just being him a moment ago, and now, he's> > > > nowhere to be found."> > > > > > > > Edg> > > > > >> > > > > >Not buying the Cosmic Ego concept. But nice theory. It's ok if i don't always get what Nisargadatta said. Just wondering aloud online. Thanks for your input.> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Werner, You are not listening to Doug. You're taking your own> > > > opinion as authoritative. Get it?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Me personally, I need an outer guru to conceptually beat on me> > > > and scream "go back inside your head there's no droids to find here."> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Edg> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , "Werner Woehr" <wwoehr@>> > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , "douglasmitch1963"> > > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , "Werner Woehr"> > > > <wwoehr@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , "douglasmitch1963"> > > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful> > > > thinking on my part. I have no delusion about individual life after> > > > death. However, I have noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says> > > > to folks who still identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth> > > > if that is their belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that> > > > reincarnation is not real and meant for the ignorant masses?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > When younger Niz believed in reincarnatioin but in his> > > > later years he denied that there is such a thing. This are just> > > > different phases in his life which confuse you.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The conclusion is better not to blieve in any authority.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Werner> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Including "you'!> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Ok, ok,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Just go on following authorties and to believe all their> > > > promises.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Werner> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > Edg: I have posted here in some detail about the Cosmic Ego. To me, > > the Cosmic Ego is an all-time reality that can be identified with even > > after identification with the individual ego has ceased, and Cosmic Ego > > can be said to have the universe as its body. That ego can be said to > > be the incarnating false sentience of all beings -- thus: incarnation is > > as real as anything if reality is taken to be ultimate. > > > > But, Nisargadatta says he's eaten the world, and I take that to mean > > that he's dumped identifying with the Cosmic Ego also. Like that, I > > think that one can have one's incarnation and escape it too. > > > > When Nisargadatta died, the Cosmic Ego said: " Where the fuck did > > Nisargadatta go? I was just being him a moment ago, and now, he's > > nowhere to be found. " > > > > Edg > > > P: As long as you believe in such crappy conceptual > idols as a Comic Ego, you won't be able to feel as > infinite emptiness. For Christs Sake! Snow White is > a better thought out fairy tale than that. i think i know what you mean Pete. but you know.. strangely enough.. i do believe in the Comic ego. but i don't think there's anything Cosmic about it. funny though. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful thinking on my part. I have no delusion about individual life after death. However, I have noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says to folks who still identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth if that is their belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that reincarnation is not real and meant for the ignorant masses? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When younger Niz believed in reincarnatioin but in his later years he denied that there is such a thing. This are just different phases in his life which confuse you. > > > > > > > > > > > > The conclusion is better not to blieve in any authority. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The troubling fact of life is, that for whatever reason, we hang on to dear life with famous dead guys (trademark) words.ione > > > > > > > > > > > > We are conditioned and brought up that way, Anna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until we become our own authority, thru trial and error... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm, is there any authority needed, either that of others or your own one to smell the scent of a rose, to enjoy a sunset, to dance with the rhythm of drums, do make love to each other ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > Of course not, but the troubling is that most folks are lost in gaining/losing/abusing/misusing/perusing *authority*. > > > > > > So rarely is a sunset, a rose, a dance, or lovemaking taken to the > > > enjoyment that is *naturally* offered...which is *authority*...imo. > > > > > > Authority to be who/whatever one focuses upon. > > > > > > Lost in the moment or ______________. > > > > > > Much Love Werner, and the irony is we know so little about our close net friends, some of whom we have known for years. > > > > > > And only recently have folks started to journey to meet folks even in their own state. > > > > > > I shake my head and wonder why. > > > > > > Strange. > > > > > > > > Don't shake you head to much, Anna. It will make you dizzy. > > > ok now I'm rolling on the floor, laughing... stop! gotta get air... > stop! > > > > > Let me ask you, Anna, what does 'knowing each other' mean for you and when will that knowing start and when will it end and what then will you do with it, wiil you write a book or some novel ? > > > let's just say it's relative.... in the moment I know someone. no one and every one... sometimes all three simultaneously. :-0 I kinda know you by how I feel in your presence (YES! Even on-line) > > > > > > > What is it that you really are missing ? Are you out of dope ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > Missing? well, let's just say whatever draws us all together is what is missing.... > > ;-) > > > Love and stuff, > Anna > > p.s. I don't do much dope; my body-mind does quite enough... thank you very much...!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A anna.. when wernie asked you if you were out of dope.. he was just acting horny and hoped you'd say yes. he thought he could fill the bill and pay you a visit. he's getting smarter.. at least he knows now he's a dope. :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful thinking on my part. I have no delusion about individual life after death. However, I have noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says to folks who still identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth if that is their belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that reincarnation is not real and meant for the ignorant masses? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When younger Niz believed in reincarnatioin but in his later years he denied that there is such a thing. This are just different phases in his life which confuse you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conclusion is better not to blieve in any authority. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The troubling fact of life is, that for whatever reason, we hang on to dear life with famous dead guys (trademark) words.ione > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are conditioned and brought up that way, Anna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until we become our own authority, thru trial and error... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm, is there any authority needed, either that of others or your own one to smell the scent of a rose, to enjoy a sunset, to dance with the rhythm of drums, do make love to each other ? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > Of course not, but the troubling is that most folks are lost in gaining/losing/abusing/misusing/perusing *authority*. > > > > > > > > So rarely is a sunset, a rose, a dance, or lovemaking taken to the > > > > enjoyment that is *naturally* offered...which is *authority*...imo. > > > > > > > > Authority to be who/whatever one focuses upon. > > > > > > > > Lost in the moment or ______________. > > > > > > > > Much Love Werner, and the irony is we know so little about our close net friends, some of whom we have known for years. > > > > > > > > And only recently have folks started to journey to meet folks even in their own state. > > > > > > > > I shake my head and wonder why. > > > > > > > > Strange. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't shake you head to much, Anna. It will make you dizzy. > > > > > > ok now I'm rolling on the floor, laughing... stop! gotta get air... > > stop! > > > > > > > > Let me ask you, Anna, what does 'knowing each other' mean for you and when will that knowing start and when will it end and what then will you do with it, wiil you write a book or some novel ? > > > > > > let's just say it's relative.... in the moment I know someone. no one and every one... sometimes all three simultaneously. :-0 I kinda know you by how I feel in your presence (YES! Even on-line) > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it that you really are missing ? Are you out of dope ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Missing? well, let's just say whatever draws us all together is what is missing.... > > > > ;-) > > > > > > Love and stuff, > > Anna > > > > p.s. I don't do much dope; my body-mind does quite enough... thank you very much...!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > anna.. > > when wernie asked you if you were out of dope.. > > he was just acting horny and hoped you'd say yes. > > he thought he could fill the bill and pay you a visit. > > he's getting smarter.. > > at least he knows now he's a dope. > > :-) > Oh, Bobby, I'm laughing so hard, I'm crying... And choking...and coughing.... Did I ever tell you I'm a slut? A word-slut... better known as a Poet. ;-) ~A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful thinking on my part. I have no delusion about individual life after death. However, I have noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says to folks who still identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth if that is their belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that reincarnation is not real and meant for the ignorant masses? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When younger Niz believed in reincarnatioin but in his later years he denied that there is such a thing. This are just different phases in his life which confuse you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conclusion is better not to blieve in any authority. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The troubling fact of life is, that for whatever reason, we hang on to dear life with famous dead guys (trademark) words.ione > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are conditioned and brought up that way, Anna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until we become our own authority, thru trial and error... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm, is there any authority needed, either that of others or your own one to smell the scent of a rose, to enjoy a sunset, to dance with the rhythm of drums, do make love to each other ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > Of course not, but the troubling is that most folks are lost in gaining/losing/abusing/misusing/perusing *authority*. > > > > > > > > > > So rarely is a sunset, a rose, a dance, or lovemaking taken to the > > > > > enjoyment that is *naturally* offered...which is *authority*...imo. > > > > > > > > > > Authority to be who/whatever one focuses upon. > > > > > > > > > > Lost in the moment or ______________. > > > > > > > > > > Much Love Werner, and the irony is we know so little about our close net friends, some of whom we have known for years. > > > > > > > > > > And only recently have folks started to journey to meet folks even in their own state. > > > > > > > > > > I shake my head and wonder why. > > > > > > > > > > Strange. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't shake you head to much, Anna. It will make you dizzy. > > > > > > > > > ok now I'm rolling on the floor, laughing... stop! gotta get air... > > > stop! > > > > > > > > > > > Let me ask you, Anna, what does 'knowing each other' mean for you and when will that knowing start and when will it end and what then will you do with it, wiil you write a book or some novel ? > > > > > > > > > let's just say it's relative.... in the moment I know someone. no one and every one... sometimes all three simultaneously. :-0 I kinda know you by how I feel in your presence (YES! Even on-line) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it that you really are missing ? Are you out of dope ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Missing? well, let's just say whatever draws us all together is what is missing.... > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > Love and stuff, > > > Anna > > > > > > p.s. I don't do much dope; my body-mind does quite enough... thank you very much...!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > anna.. > > > > when wernie asked you if you were out of dope.. > > > > he was just acting horny and hoped you'd say yes. > > > > he thought he could fill the bill and pay you a visit. > > > > he's getting smarter.. > > > > at least he knows now he's a dope. > > > > :-) > > > > > Oh, Bobby, I'm laughing so hard, I'm crying... And choking...and coughing.... > > Did I ever tell you I'm a slut? A word-slut... better known as > a Poet. ;-) > > > ~A :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963 wrote: > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful thinking on my part. I have no delusion about individual life after death. However, I have noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says to folks who still identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth if that is their belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that reincarnation is not real and meant for the ignorant masses? It is possible for a teacher to contradict himself, if you take words said in one context, and compare them with words said in a different context. It is likely, in fact, if he or she talked to lots of people in different contexts. There is no such thing as a formulation of truth that will give people what the truth is, in all contexts, and for all time. So, teachers will contradict themselves. Thus, don't look to any formulation of ideas and words as an all-time passage way to truth. This includes " there is no reincarnation " as well as " you will have to reincarnate ... blah, blah, blah. " Different words, different occasions, life goes on. Life is change. Awareness isn't a static something. You can't go from a set of words to what is so because what is so will fit with the words. Doesn't work like that. Doesn't matter how great or smart or loving or wise the supposed teacher was, or the words are. - Dan - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful thinking on my part. I have no delusion about individual life after death. However, I have noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says to folks who still identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth if that is their belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that reincarnation is not real and meant for the ignorant masses? > > > > > When younger Niz believed in reincarnatioin but in his later years he denied that there is such a thing. This are just different phases in his life which confuse you. > > The conclusion is better not to blieve in any authority. > > Werner Yes. And don't believe your own self as authority, either. As awareness is. Consciousness is of the body, and arises in and through awareness. So, don't be fooled by your own consciousness, either. Smiles, Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful thinking on my part. I have no delusion about individual life after death. However, I have noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says to folks who still identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth if that is their belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that reincarnation is not real and meant for the ignorant masses? > > > > > > > > > When younger Niz believed in reincarnatioin but in his later years he denied that there is such a thing. This are just different phases in his life which confuse you. > > > > The conclusion is better not to blieve in any authority. > > > > > The troubling fact of life is, that for whatever reason, we hang on to dear life with famous dead guys (trademark) words. > > Until we become our own authority, thru trial and error... > > ~A And then one realizes that there is no authority. Not in another. And not in one's self. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful thinking on my part. > I have no delusion about individual life after death. However, I have > noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says to folks who still > identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth if that is their > belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that reincarnation is > not real and meant for the ignorant masses? > > folks who still identify with their body ~ > > like reincarnation ~ > > > identify with... > > their ignorant masses It's actually not possible to identify with anything. You can't identify with your body. See? Can't be done. Identification requires someone existing to do the identifying " with. " - Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " wwoehr@ wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful thinking on my > part. I have no delusion about individual life after death. However, I > have noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says to folks who still > identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth if that is their > belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that reincarnation is > not real and meant for the ignorant masses? > > > > > > > > > > > > > When younger Niz believed in reincarnatioin but in his later years > he denied that there is such a thing. This are just different phases in > his life which confuse you. > > > > > > The conclusion is better not to blieve in any authority. > > > > > > > > > The troubling fact of life is, that for whatever reason, we hang on to > dear life with famous dead guys (trademark) words. > > > > Until we become our own authority, thru trial and error... > > > > ~A > > > Werner > > > > > > > > " Trial and Error " !!?? > > Still sounds pretty > > Authoritarian!!! > > Who's the judge? > > What's the error? > > > I reject all authority > > Including my own > > > Rather: > > > " A man does what he feels " > > (from a Charles Bronson movie) > > > ..if and when it feels good > > Let's say that my feelings in the Now > > Are MY only " authority " > > [] Taking one's feelings as the authority, is still having an authority. And having an authority is still investment in having something, in security - even it it's a crazy security. -- Dan -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful thinking on my part. I have no delusion about individual life after death. However, I have noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says to folks who still identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth if that is their belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that reincarnation is not real and meant for the ignorant masses? > > It is possible for a teacher to contradict himself, if you take words said in one context, and compare them with words said in a different context. It is likely, in fact, if he or she talked to lots of people in different contexts. > > There is no such thing as a formulation of truth that will give people what the truth is, in all contexts, and for all time. > > So, teachers will contradict themselves. > > Thus, don't look to any formulation of ideas and words as an all-time passage way to truth. > > This includes " there is no reincarnation " as well as " you will have to reincarnate ... blah, blah, blah. " > > Different words, different occasions, life goes on. > > Life is change. > > Awareness isn't a static something. > > You can't go from a set of words to what is so because what is so will fit with the words. > > Doesn't work like that. > > Doesn't matter how great or smart or loving or wise the supposed teacher was, or the words are. > > - Dan - > >Thanks for clarifying. i fell into the trap! - Doug Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > And then one realizes that there is no authority. > > Not in another. > > And not in one's self. > > - D - Authority: " Author " - ity. Someone who is writing the story. Someone directing things. Indeed, there is no authority. Everything is just happening. No one is driving the bus. " Who's driving this nondual bus? I went up to the front of the bus, but no one was at the steering wheel " ;-) (old posting from Dan to Jerry Katz). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful thinking on my part. I have no delusion about individual life after death. However, I have noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says to folks who still identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth if that is their belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that reincarnation is not real and meant for the ignorant masses? > > > > > > > > > When younger Niz believed in reincarnatioin but in his later years he denied that there is such a thing. This are just different phases in his life which confuse you. > > > > The conclusion is better not to blieve in any authority. > > > > Werner > > Yes. > > And don't believe your own self as authority, either. > > As awareness is. > > Consciousness is of the body, and arises in and through awareness. Crap ! There is no such as awareness in which consciousness arises. This is a nonsene in which Niz was believing. It is a wide spread error when repeating nonsense again an again it slowly by slowly will become true (hahaha)... Werner > > So, don't be fooled by your own consciousness, either. > > > Smiles, > > Dan > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful thinking on my part. I have no delusion about individual life after death. However, I have noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says to folks who still identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth if that is their belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that reincarnation is not real and meant for the ignorant masses? > > > > > > > > > > > > > When younger Niz believed in reincarnatioin but in his later years he denied that there is such a thing. This are just different phases in his life which confuse you. > > > > > > The conclusion is better not to blieve in any authority. > > > > > > Werner > > > > Yes. > > > > And don't believe your own self as authority, either. > > > > As awareness is. > > > > Consciousness is of the body, and arises in and through awareness. > > > > Crap ! > > There is no such as awareness in which consciousness arises. This is a nonsene in which Niz was believing. > > It is a wide spread error when repeating nonsense again an again it slowly by slowly will become true (hahaha)... > > Werner wernie poo.. you are an insult to all other insults. not your comment above. that's just dumb. it's that you are an insult to the intelligent human race... of which unfortunately you claim membership. and you are even more than that. you are an insult to all other insults to intelligence... that lurk and occasionally let out brain farts. which farts of incredible stupidity and odor.. are disgusting to all intelligent people. you're getting to be beyond funny. you are a cretin and living joke of imbecility. if all you have to offer is garbage such as your above posting.. bring it to the dump and don't try and trash it here. it stinks and is odious in it's insult to the common wits of mankind. you're a loser. ..b b.b. > > So, don't be fooled by your own consciousness, either. > > > > > > Smiles, > > > > Dan > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful thinking on my part. I have no delusion about individual life after death. However, I have noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says to folks who still identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth if that is their belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that reincarnation is not real and meant for the ignorant masses? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When younger Niz believed in reincarnatioin but in his later years he denied that there is such a thing. This are just different phases in his life which confuse you. > > > > > > > > The conclusion is better not to blieve in any authority. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > And don't believe your own self as authority, either. > > > > > > As awareness is. > > > > > > Consciousness is of the body, and arises in and through awareness. > > > > > > > > Crap ! > > > > There is no such as awareness in which consciousness arises. This is a nonsene in which Niz was believing. > > > > It is a wide spread error when repeating nonsense again an again it slowly by slowly will become true (hahaha)... > > > > Werner > > > > > wernie poo.. > > you are an insult to all other insults. > > not your comment above. > > that's just dumb. > > it's that you are an insult to the intelligent human race... > > of which unfortunately you claim membership. > > and you are even more than that. > > you are an insult to all other insults to intelligence... > > that lurk and occasionally let out brain farts. > > which farts of incredible stupidity and odor.. > > are disgusting to all intelligent people. > > you're getting to be beyond funny. > > you are a cretin and living joke of imbecility. > > if all you have to offer is garbage such as your above posting.. > > bring it to the dump and don't try and trash it here. > > it stinks and is odious in it's insult to the common wits of mankind. > > you're a loser. > > .b b.b. > " ...said the compassionate one. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2009 Crap ! There is no such as awareness in which consciousness arises. This is a nonsene in which Niz was believing. It is a wide spread error when repeating nonsense again an again it slowly by slowly will become true (hahaha)... Werner Werner, not that it matters, but just for amusement sake, what would you say if I showed you a dialogue from krishnamurti where he points to the ground of being...a ground beyond consciousness? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful thinking on my part. I have no delusion about individual life after death. However, I have noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says to folks who still identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth if that is their belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that reincarnation is not real and meant for the ignorant masses? > > > > > > > > > > > > > When younger Niz believed in reincarnatioin but in his later years he denied that there is such a thing. This are just different phases in his life which confuse you. > > > > > > The conclusion is better not to blieve in any authority. > > > > > > Werner > > > > Yes. > > > > And don't believe your own self as authority, either. > > > > As awareness is. > > > > Consciousness is of the body, and arises in and through awareness. > > > > Crap ! > > There is no such as awareness in which consciousness arises. This is a nonsene in which Niz was believing. > > It is a wide spread error when repeating nonsense again an again it slowly by slowly will become true (hahaha)... > > Werner > > > > > > So, don't be fooled by your own consciousness, either. > > > > > > Smiles, > > > > Dan > > > >Werner, you so easily dismiss Nisargadatta, but then complain to Hur that this site is supposed to be inspired by the teachings of Nisargadatta. You cannot have it both ways when someone dismisses you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful thinking on my part. I have no delusion about individual life after death. However, I have noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says to folks who still identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth if that is their belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that reincarnation is not real and meant for the ignorant masses? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When younger Niz believed in reincarnatioin but in his later years he denied that there is such a thing. This are just different phases in his life which confuse you. > > > > > > > > The conclusion is better not to blieve in any authority. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > And don't believe your own self as authority, either. > > > > > > As awareness is. > > > > > > Consciousness is of the body, and arises in and through awareness. > > > > > > > > Crap ! > > > > There is no such as awareness in which consciousness arises. This is a nonsene in which Niz was believing. > > > > It is a wide spread error when repeating nonsense again an again it slowly by slowly will become true (hahaha)... > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > So, don't be fooled by your own consciousness, either. > > > > > > > > > Smiles, > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > >Werner, you so easily dismiss Nisargadatta, but then complain to Hur that this site is supposed to be inspired by the teachings of Nisargadatta. You cannot have it both ways when someone dismisses you. > Hey Doug, Can you please show me were I wrote that this place is inspired by Niz ? If you can't, it doesn't matter. But let me ask you does for you 'inpired by Niz' mean to switch off your brain and stop thinking, inquiring and questioning ? If not, then we can meet. But if you have thrown offboard your brain how could we meet ? Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful thinking on my part. I have no delusion about individual life after death. However, I have noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says to folks who still identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth if that is their belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that reincarnation is not real and meant for the ignorant masses? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When younger Niz believed in reincarnatioin but in his later years he denied that there is such a thing. This are just different phases in his life which confuse you. > > > > > > > > > > The conclusion is better not to blieve in any authority. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > And don't believe your own self as authority, either. > > > > > > > > As awareness is. > > > > > > > > Consciousness is of the body, and arises in and through awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Crap ! > > > > > > There is no such as awareness in which consciousness arises. This is a nonsene in which Niz was believing. > > > > > > It is a wide spread error when repeating nonsense again an again it slowly by slowly will become true (hahaha)... > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > wernie poo.. > > > > you are an insult to all other insults. > > > > not your comment above. > > > > that's just dumb. > > > > it's that you are an insult to the intelligent human race... > > > > of which unfortunately you claim membership. > > > > and you are even more than that. > > > > you are an insult to all other insults to intelligence... > > > > that lurk and occasionally let out brain farts. > > > > which farts of incredible stupidity and odor.. > > > > are disgusting to all intelligent people. > > > > you're getting to be beyond funny. > > > > you are a cretin and living joke of imbecility. > > > > if all you have to offer is garbage such as your above posting.. > > > > bring it to the dump and don't try and trash it here. > > > > it stinks and is odious in it's insult to the common wits of mankind. > > > > you're a loser. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > " ...said the compassionate one. " replied the unrepentant beggar. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful thinking on my part. I have no delusion about individual life after death. However, I have noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says to folks who still identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth if that is their belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that reincarnation is not real and meant for the ignorant masses? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When younger Niz believed in reincarnatioin but in his later years he denied that there is such a thing. This are just different phases in his life which confuse you. > > > > > > > > > > The conclusion is better not to blieve in any authority. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > And don't believe your own self as authority, either. > > > > > > > > As awareness is. > > > > > > > > Consciousness is of the body, and arises in and through awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Crap ! > > > > > > There is no such as awareness in which consciousness arises. This is a nonsene in which Niz was believing. > > > > > > It is a wide spread error when repeating nonsense again an again it slowly by slowly will become true (hahaha)... > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, don't be fooled by your own consciousness, either. > > > > > > > > > > > > Smiles, > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > >Werner, you so easily dismiss Nisargadatta, but then complain to Hur that this site is supposed to be inspired by the teachings of Nisargadatta. You cannot have it both ways when someone dismisses you. > > > > > Hey Doug, > > Can you please show me were I wrote that this place is inspired by Niz ? If you can't, it doesn't matter. > > But let me ask you does for you 'inpired by Niz' mean to switch off your brain and stop thinking, inquiring and questioning ? > > If not, then we can meet. But if you have thrown offboard your brain how could we meet ? > > Werner Hur! oh Hur! Helppppppppppppppppppppppp! my friend is being attacked. please disallow this sort of misbehavior as improper.. and quite unwelcome on this list. it is offensive and will scare off poetntial new members. can everyone pleasssssssse write Hur about this. thank you and your welcome. ..b b.b. (holding his wernie puppet) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful thinking on my part. I have no delusion about individual life after death. However, I have noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says to folks who still identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth if that is their belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that reincarnation is not real and meant for the ignorant masses? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When younger Niz believed in reincarnatioin but in his later years he denied that there is such a thing. This are just different phases in his life which confuse you. > > > > > > > > > > > > The conclusion is better not to blieve in any authority. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > And don't believe your own self as authority, either. > > > > > > > > > > As awareness is. > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness is of the body, and arises in and through awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Crap ! > > > > > > > > There is no such as awareness in which consciousness arises. This is a nonsene in which Niz was believing. > > > > > > > > It is a wide spread error when repeating nonsense again an again it slowly by slowly will become true (hahaha)... > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wernie poo.. > > > > > > you are an insult to all other insults. > > > > > > not your comment above. > > > > > > that's just dumb. > > > > > > it's that you are an insult to the intelligent human race... > > > > > > of which unfortunately you claim membership. > > > > > > and you are even more than that. > > > > > > you are an insult to all other insults to intelligence... > > > > > > that lurk and occasionally let out brain farts. > > > > > > which farts of incredible stupidity and odor.. > > > > > > are disgusting to all intelligent people. > > > > > > you're getting to be beyond funny. > > > > > > you are a cretin and living joke of imbecility. > > > > > > if all you have to offer is garbage such as your above posting.. > > > > > > bring it to the dump and don't try and trash it here. > > > > > > it stinks and is odious in it's insult to the common wits of mankind. > > > > > > you're a loser. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > " ...said the compassionate one. " > > > replied the unrepentant beggar. > > .b b.b. > >Don't forget bob that there is an ancient mendicant tradition!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2009 Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > Please do not interpret the following as wishful thinking on my part. I have no delusion about individual life after death. However, I have noticed when reading Nisargadatta that he says to folks who still identify with the body that they must undergo rebirth if that is their belief. How does this square with Nis' teaching that reincarnation is not real and meant for the ignorant masses? > > > > It is possible for a teacher to contradict himself, if you take words said in one context, and compare them with words said in a different context. It is likely, in fact, if he or she talked to lots of people in different contexts. > > > > There is no such thing as a formulation of truth that will give people what the truth is, in all contexts, and for all time. > > > > So, teachers will contradict themselves. > > > > Thus, don't look to any formulation of ideas and words as an all-time passage way to truth. > > > > This includes " there is no reincarnation " as well as " you will have to reincarnate ... blah, blah, blah. " > > > > Different words, different occasions, life goes on. > > > > Life is change. > > > > Awareness isn't a static something. > > > > You can't go from a set of words to what is so because what is so will fit with the words. > > > > Doesn't work like that. > > > > Doesn't matter how great or smart or loving or wise the supposed teacher was, or the words are. > > > > - Dan - > > > >Thanks for clarifying. i fell into the trap! - Doug Surely, Doug. But it's not really a trap, if you don't make it one. You're entitled to make any interpretation you feel like. And your interpretations freely change. Or not. However it goes. For me, the nothing that Nis. called absolute, can't be messed with. This is where Nis. said he " took his stand. " So, I would say, " this can't be messed with. " Nothing doesn't incarnate, is ever unborn, so can't reincarnate. It is nothing while this body is living and breathing, and is nothing when the breathing of this body ceases. As for " reincarnation " - clearly there never has been any separable existing being who reincarnates. So, for me, stories about reincarnation are derived from a felt-sense that I've been here before. And I am has been here before. Innumerable times. And will be again. Only, there never is a really existing I am taking the stage. So, it is empty. As I am is empty, nothing is. And it is not a nothing that lacks. It is not the nothing of an absence, or of something missing. Pristine nothing. Perfectly nothing. Is-ing nothing. If you believe you exist, you will reincarnate. That is, the feeling someone is here, will return. So, the feeling of being here, will be here again. And if it isn't here, then who is the witness of that? Nothing can be said. ;-) -- Dan -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
