Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 Nisargadatta: " There can be no causal connection between practice and Wisdom. But the obstacles to Wisdom are deeply affected by practice. Do it if you are doing it - don't do it if you are not doing it. There is nothing you can do to speed it up or slow it down. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963 wrote: > > Nisargadatta: " There can be no causal connection between practice and Wisdom. But the obstacles to Wisdom are deeply affected by practice. Do it if you are doing it - don't do it if you are not doing it. There is nothing you can do to speed it up or slow it down. " that doesn't say anything at all. was he on drugs? oh well.. drugs lead nowhere. but i guess it's the scenic route. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 - douglasmitch1963 Nisargadatta Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:21 AM Practice Nisargadatta: " There can be no causal connection between practice and Wisdom. But the obstacles to Wisdom are deeply affected by practice. Do it if you are doing it - don't do it if you are not doing it. There is nothing you can do to speed it up or slow it down. " geo> Interesting. Maybe I am weak and romantic....but I love this guy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 - douglasmitch1963 Nisargadatta Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:21 AM Practice Nisargadatta: " There can be no causal connection between practice and Wisdom. But the obstacles to Wisdom are deeply affected by practice. Do it if you are doing it - don't do it if you are not doing it. There is nothing you can do to speed it up or slow it down. " geo> Allow me to comment this. Indeed " there can be no causal connection between practice and Wisdom " ..the contrary would mean that one could transcend time taking time - and indeed the nature of what is is beyond time. But...what about our vices, addictions, weaknesses? To some it " it doesnt matter, let it be " , but to others there are things to get rid in life. The seemingly contradiction is cleared through nis. words above. " Something " happens to the obstacles in the way to non-duality though opposition - that of course that if one is honest enough to admit that " non-duality always " is a non-fact in ones life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta: " There can be no causal connection between practice and Wisdom. But the obstacles to Wisdom are deeply affected by practice. Do it if you are doing it - don't do it if you are not doing it. There is nothing you can do to speed it up or slow it down. " > > > that doesn't say anything at all. > > was he on drugs? > > oh well.. > > drugs lead nowhere. > > but i guess it's the scenic route. > > .b b.b. actually that quote of Nizzy is a Nike commercial: just do it!.. or don't LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 Enlightenment love Diana --- On Wed, 22/7/09, douglasmitch1963 <douglasmitch1963 wrote:douglasmitch1963 <douglasmitch1963 PracticeNisargadatta Date: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 1:21 PM Nisargadatta: "There can be no causal connection between practice and Wisdom. But the obstacles to Wisdom are deeply affected by practice. Do it if you are doing it - don't do it if you are not doing it. There is nothing you can do to speed it up or slow it down." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 Hi Diana - You can't speed it up or slow it down because it is totality. Totality can be considered as " enlightenment " only if enlightenment isn't a state and has no opposite (such as non-enlightenment). If there can be a lack of enlightenment somewhere or in someone, then it is partial and not totality. Obstacles to wisdom are imagined. If practice affects the imaginary, then the practice has to also be imaginary. Imagining that there is a division between those who practice and those who don't practice is also a fiction. To say " do it if you're doing it " and " don't do it if you're not doing it " is to say: what is, already is. You can't change what is into something else, other than what it is. - Dan - (nothing new below) Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam wrote: > > Enlightenment > love Diana > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, douglasmitch1963 <douglasmitch1963 wrote: > > douglasmitch1963 <douglasmitch1963 > Practice > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 1:21 PM > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " There can be no causal connection between practice and Wisdom. But the obstacles to Wisdom are deeply affected by practice. Do it if you are doing it - don't do it if you are not doing it. There is nothing you can do to speed it up or slow it down. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 In the practice of practicing, we overcome the obstacle that was never there. Go figure. ~A Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Hi Diana - > > You can't speed it up or slow it down because it is totality. > > Totality can be considered as " enlightenment " only if enlightenment isn't a state and has no opposite (such as non-enlightenment). > > If there can be a lack of enlightenment somewhere or in someone, then it is partial and not totality. > > Obstacles to wisdom are imagined. If practice affects the imaginary, then the practice has to also be imaginary. Imagining that there is a division between those who practice and those who don't practice is also a fiction. > > To say " do it if you're doing it " and " don't do it if you're not doing it " is to say: what is, already is. You can't change what is into something else, other than what it is. > > - Dan - > > (nothing new below) > > > Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam@> wrote: > > > > Enlightenment > > love Diana > > > > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, douglasmitch1963 <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > douglasmitch1963 <douglasmitch1963@> > > Practice > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 1:21 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " There can be no causal connection between practice and Wisdom. But the obstacles to Wisdom are deeply affected by practice. Do it if you are doing it - don't do it if you are not doing it. There is nothing you can do to speed it up or slow it down. " > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > In the practice of practicing, we overcome the obstacle that was never there. > > Go figure. > > ~A What's the difference between practice and living your life? - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 Practice implies improvement. You get better at what you practice. If you write, you get better at writing. If you skydive, you get better at skydiving. If you meditate, you can meditate longer and with a clearer mind. If you work on obstacles, you have less obstacles. If you pick pockets, you get smoother and harder to notice. People like practices, because it feels good to improve, it's nice developing skills that are noticed by others, and perceiving self as competent lends a sense of value and sometimes authority as well. Practice is helpful within a social milieu. What involves no practice, won't help you improve. Won't be noticed by others, won't benefit self-esteem in terms of an image. What's it like not to be noticed? What's it like not to have an other to relate to? What's it like not to be getting somewhere? (These questions are raised not to obtain an answer. The question is okay as it is, arising and falling away.) -- D -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 What's the difference between practice and living your life? - D - You can not " improve " towards non-duality - like becomin 1,9....1,8....1,2.......ONE!!! No, that is not possible LOL What I feel is that certain " practices " will do something to the obstacles to non-duality (paraphrazing nis. recent quote). In my case it is not sitting and counting or crossing legs or staying in some quite corner, or chanting, or repeting some stuff...but, very simpy observing thoughts, going along with the thinking process, observing how the mind longs, desires, clings, nags, etc... can be a hard thing to do sometimes and indeed does something. If you dont do that you very easily get lost in the thinking field beleiving you are not there - in the conceptual world. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 It's much like being a doctor or lawyer... practicing the craft... Or those who stand on any pulpit... practicing what is *preached*. Practice makes perfect. And life is perfect, isn't it? We can, however, *improve* it....the more awareness we practice (with). Individually and collectively. ~A Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > What's the difference between practice and living your life? > > - D - > You can not " improve " towards non-duality - like becomin > 1,9....1,8....1,2.......ONE!!! No, that is not possible LOL > What I feel is that certain " practices " will do something to the obstacles > to non-duality (paraphrazing nis. recent quote). In my case it is not > sitting and counting or crossing legs or staying in some quite corner, or > chanting, or repeting some stuff...but, very simpy observing thoughts, going > along with the thinking process, observing how the mind longs, desires, > clings, nags, etc... can be a hard thing to do sometimes and indeed does > something. If you dont do that you very easily get lost in the thinking > field beleiving you are not there - in the conceptual world. > -geo- > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 Awareness is not like being a doctor or lawyer. You can not perfect awarenss or non-duality - no. What I mean is that there are ways to deal with the obstacles to it. Say you have some habit. If you can not drop it at once...ongoing opposition may be a good practice. But in fact...that is not " practicing " non-duality - that sounds ridiculous to even write it down -geo- It's much like being a doctor or lawyer... practicing the craft... Or those who stand on any pulpit... practicing what is *preached*. Practice makes perfect. And life is perfect, isn't it? We can, however, *improve* it....the more awareness we practice (with). Individually and collectively. ~A Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > What's the difference between practice and living your life? > > - D - > You can not " improve " towards non-duality - like becomin > 1,9....1,8....1,2.......ONE!!! No, that is not possible LOL > What I feel is that certain " practices " will do something to the obstacles > to non-duality (paraphrazing nis. recent quote). In my case it is not > sitting and counting or crossing legs or staying in some quite corner, or > chanting, or repeting some stuff...but, very simpy observing thoughts, > going > along with the thinking process, observing how the mind longs, desires, > clings, nags, etc... can be a hard thing to do sometimes and indeed does > something. If you dont do that you very easily get lost in the thinking > field beleiving you are not there - in the conceptual world. > -geo- > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:25 PM Re: Re: Practice Awareness is not like being a doctor or lawyer. You can not perfect awarenss or non-duality - no. What I mean is that there are ways to deal with the obstacles to it. Say you have some habit. If you can not drop it at once...ongoing opposition may be a good practice. But in fact...that is not " practicing " non-duality - that sounds ridiculous to even write it down We have to consider that it is a step from fragmentation to non-fragmentation - it is or it is not. Either there is conceptual separation or there is not. -geo- It's much like being a doctor or lawyer... practicing the craft... Or those who stand on any pulpit... practicing what is *preached*. Practice makes perfect. And life is perfect, isn't it? We can, however, *improve* it....the more awareness we practice (with). Individually and collectively. ~A Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > What's the difference between practice and living your life? > > - D - > You can not " improve " towards non-duality - like becomin > 1,9....1,8....1,2.......ONE!!! No, that is not possible LOL > What I feel is that certain " practices " will do something to the obstacles > to non-duality (paraphrazing nis. recent quote). In my case it is not > sitting and counting or crossing legs or staying in some quite corner, or > chanting, or repeting some stuff...but, very simpy observing thoughts, > going > along with the thinking process, observing how the mind longs, desires, > clings, nags, etc... can be a hard thing to do sometimes and indeed does > something. If you dont do that you very easily get lost in the thinking > field beleiving you are not there - in the conceptual world. > -geo- > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 > You can not " improve " towards non-duality Geo, I think you're right and that you're wrong. There is no method or technique possible when one is in samadhi, and thus, jumping out of identifying with the Cosmic Ego is Grace descending upon one. Freedom is a gift from the Absolute. On the other hand, one can practice methods, like inquiry, that help the ego stop attaching to things, and that does help the ego when it attempts to merge into samadhi. During samadhi, samskaras become burnt seeds, but how long one has to reside in samadhi to burn all the seeds is unknowable. Samadhi ends when the act of burning samskaras excites a process of manifestation, (when cleaning house, dust flies and can catch one's attention) and suddenly the ego is there again. The ego can hasten its own extinguishing by repeatedly entering samadhi until samadhi is perfected and all seeds are burnt. This is easily framed as the ego working towards enlightenment -- even though the ego never reaps such a reward. Do you agree with my fleshing out of your skeleton? Edg Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > What's the difference between practice and living your life? > > - D - > You can not " improve " towards non-duality - like becomin > 1,9....1,8....1,2.......ONE!!! No, that is not possible LOL > What I feel is that certain " practices " will do something to the obstacles > to non-duality (paraphrazing nis. recent quote). In my case it is not > sitting and counting or crossing legs or staying in some quite corner, or > chanting, or repeting some stuff...but, very simpy observing thoughts, going > along with the thinking process, observing how the mind longs, desires, > clings, nags, etc... can be a hard thing to do sometimes and indeed does > something. If you dont do that you very easily get lost in the thinking > field beleiving you are not there - in the conceptual world. > -geo- > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 I beg to differ with you. Awareness is perfected... in being aware of awareness. That's nonduality's essence. From the standpoint of almost 7 billion human beings... how many would you say are aware of awareness, of consciousness of being? How many have seen the separation of inside/outside disappear? How many know intimately the sheer ecstasy of being? Sewn together all opposites? How many know who they are and who they are not? Nonduality is the practice of being aware of awareness in the conscious beingness of life. ~A Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:25 PM > Re: Re: Practice > > > > Awareness is not like being a doctor or lawyer. You can not perfect awarenss > or non-duality - no. What I mean is that there are ways to deal with the > obstacles to it. Say you have some habit. If you can not drop it at > once...ongoing opposition may be a good practice. But in fact...that is not > " practicing " non-duality - that sounds ridiculous to even write it down > > We have to consider that it is a step from fragmentation to > non-fragmentation - it is or it is not. > Either there is conceptual separation or there is not. > -geo- > > It's much like being a doctor or lawyer... practicing the craft... Or those > who stand on any pulpit... practicing what is *preached*. > > Practice makes perfect. And life is perfect, isn't it? We can, however, > *improve* it....the more awareness we practice (with). > > Individually and collectively. > > ~A > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > What's the difference between practice and living your life? > > > > - D - > > You can not " improve " towards non-duality - like becomin > > 1,9....1,8....1,2.......ONE!!! No, that is not possible LOL > > What I feel is that certain " practices " will do something to the obstacles > > to non-duality (paraphrazing nis. recent quote). In my case it is not > > sitting and counting or crossing legs or staying in some quite corner, or > > chanting, or repeting some stuff...but, very simpy observing thoughts, > > going > > along with the thinking process, observing how the mind longs, desires, > > clings, nags, etc... can be a hard thing to do sometimes and indeed does > > something. If you dont do that you very easily get lost in the thinking > > field beleiving you are not there - in the conceptual world. > > -geo- > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 geo > You can not " improve " towards non-duality Geo, I think you're right and that you're wrong. There is no method or technique possible when one is in samadhi, and thus, jumping out of identifying with the Cosmic Ego is Grace descending upon one. Freedom is a gift from the Absolute. -edg- Samadhi is a subjective expression unless you clear it and let me know what is it. The same with Cosmic Ego. -geo- On the other hand, one can practice methods, like inquiry, that help the ego stop attaching to things, and that does help the ego when it attempts to merge into samadhi. -edg- There is no ego that attaches. There is attachement as consciousness, but nothing is attaching. There is no such entity. How can something that does not exist merge into samadhi. Then your samadhi is just some kind of experience among a diversity of experinces, right? -geo- During samadhi, samskaras become burnt seeds, but how long one has to reside in samadhi to burn all the seeds is unknowable. Samadhi ends when the act of burning samskaras excites a process of manifestation, (when cleaning house, dust flies and can catch one's attention) and suddenly the ego is there again. -edg- Sorry edg. You said the ego was in samadhi...how can it be there AGAIN? -geo- The ego can hasten its own extinguishing by repeatedly entering samadhi until samadhi is perfected and all seeds are burnt. This is easily framed as the ego working towards enlightenment -- even though the ego never reaps such a reward. Do you agree with my fleshing out of your skeleton? -Edg- Unless you make an exercise of clarity in mind and clear what you are saying - it just doesnt makes much sense here... As I told you in one of our first exchanges...you seem to missinterpret what ego is. You treat it as something like " my ego " . But such attitude makes two of them. Yo imagine there is some real you AND some ego that is not you. These two things are part of the process of fragmentation from totality called by some as ego, by others as consciousness, or maia. -geo- Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > What's the difference between practice and living your life? > > - D - > You can not " improve " towards non-duality - like becomin > 1,9....1,8....1,2.......ONE!!! No, that is not possible LOL > What I feel is that certain " practices " will do something to the obstacles > to non-duality (paraphrazing nis. recent quote). In my case it is not > sitting and counting or crossing legs or staying in some quite corner, or > chanting, or repeting some stuff...but, very simpy observing thoughts, > going > along with the thinking process, observing how the mind longs, desires, > clings, nags, etc... can be a hard thing to do sometimes and indeed does > something. If you dont do that you very easily get lost in the thinking > field beleiving you are not there - in the conceptual world. > -geo- > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 Who is there to be aware of awareness? -geo- I beg to differ with you. Awareness is perfected... in being aware of awareness. That's nonduality's essence. From the standpoint of almost 7 billion human beings... how many would you say are aware of awareness, of consciousness of being? How many have seen the separation of inside/outside disappear? How many know intimately the sheer ecstasy of being? Sewn together all opposites? How many know who they are and who they are not? Nonduality is the practice of being aware of awareness in the conscious beingness of life. ~A Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:25 PM > Re: Re: Practice > > > > Awareness is not like being a doctor or lawyer. You can not perfect > awarenss > or non-duality - no. What I mean is that there are ways to deal with the > obstacles to it. Say you have some habit. If you can not drop it at > once...ongoing opposition may be a good practice. But in fact...that is > not > " practicing " non-duality - that sounds ridiculous to even write it down > > We have to consider that it is a step from fragmentation to > non-fragmentation - it is or it is not. > Either there is conceptual separation or there is not. > -geo- > > It's much like being a doctor or lawyer... practicing the craft... Or > those > who stand on any pulpit... practicing what is *preached*. > > Practice makes perfect. And life is perfect, isn't it? We can, however, > *improve* it....the more awareness we practice (with). > > Individually and collectively. > > ~A > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > What's the difference between practice and living your life? > > > > - D - > > You can not " improve " towards non-duality - like becomin > > 1,9....1,8....1,2.......ONE!!! No, that is not possible LOL > > What I feel is that certain " practices " will do something to the > > obstacles > > to non-duality (paraphrazing nis. recent quote). In my case it is not > > sitting and counting or crossing legs or staying in some quite corner, > > or > > chanting, or repeting some stuff...but, very simpy observing thoughts, > > going > > along with the thinking process, observing how the mind longs, desires, > > clings, nags, etc... can be a hard thing to do sometimes and indeed does > > something. If you dont do that you very easily get lost in the thinking > > field beleiving you are not there - in the conceptual world. > > -geo- > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:21 PM Re: Re: Practice Who is there to be aware of awareness? You see...once the whole thing is understood intellectualy one must meditate intop the aprehension of the fact that that which is observing is what you are looking for and will never be found. Its observation is the testimony of its ebeing. The seeing is the being is the doing. The seer will never be seen. -geo- I beg to differ with you. Awareness is perfected... in being aware of awareness. That's nonduality's essence. From the standpoint of almost 7 billion human beings... how many would you say are aware of awareness, of consciousness of being? How many have seen the separation of inside/outside disappear? How many know intimately the sheer ecstasy of being? Sewn together all opposites? How many know who they are and who they are not? Nonduality is the practice of being aware of awareness in the conscious beingness of life. ~A Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:25 PM > Re: Re: Practice > > > > Awareness is not like being a doctor or lawyer. You can not perfect > awarenss > or non-duality - no. What I mean is that there are ways to deal with the > obstacles to it. Say you have some habit. If you can not drop it at > once...ongoing opposition may be a good practice. But in fact...that is > not > " practicing " non-duality - that sounds ridiculous to even write it down > > We have to consider that it is a step from fragmentation to > non-fragmentation - it is or it is not. > Either there is conceptual separation or there is not. > -geo- > > It's much like being a doctor or lawyer... practicing the craft... Or > those > who stand on any pulpit... practicing what is *preached*. > > Practice makes perfect. And life is perfect, isn't it? We can, however, > *improve* it....the more awareness we practice (with). > > Individually and collectively. > > ~A > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > What's the difference between practice and living your life? > > > > - D - > > You can not " improve " towards non-duality - like becomin > > 1,9....1,8....1,2.......ONE!!! No, that is not possible LOL > > What I feel is that certain " practices " will do something to the > > obstacles > > to non-duality (paraphrazing nis. recent quote). In my case it is not > > sitting and counting or crossing legs or staying in some quite corner, > > or > > chanting, or repeting some stuff...but, very simpy observing thoughts, > > going > > along with the thinking process, observing how the mind longs, desires, > > clings, nags, etc... can be a hard thing to do sometimes and indeed does > > something. If you dont do that you very easily get lost in the thinking > > field beleiving you are not there - in the conceptual world. > > -geo- > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Who is there to be aware of awareness? > -geo- > > > I beg to differ with you. Awareness is perfected... in being aware of > awareness. > > > That's nonduality's essence. nonduality's essence - And that it is total nonsense - it is the essence of nonsense, Geo. This being aware of awareness is created by thought saying " I am aware of being aware " . Without thought there is only awareness and nothing more. This being aware of awareness is duality between that which is aware and awareness. This duality is created by thought. Werner > > From the standpoint of almost 7 billion human beings... how many would you > say are aware of awareness, of consciousness of being? > > How many have seen the separation of inside/outside disappear? How many know > intimately the sheer ecstasy of being? Sewn together all opposites? > > How many know who they are and who they are not? > > Nonduality is the practice of being aware of awareness in the conscious > beingness of life. > > ~A > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > geo > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:25 PM > > Re: Re: Practice > > > > > > > > Awareness is not like being a doctor or lawyer. You can not perfect > > awarenss > > or non-duality - no. What I mean is that there are ways to deal with the > > obstacles to it. Say you have some habit. If you can not drop it at > > once...ongoing opposition may be a good practice. But in fact...that is > > not > > " practicing " non-duality - that sounds ridiculous to even write it down > > > > We have to consider that it is a step from fragmentation to > > non-fragmentation - it is or it is not. > > Either there is conceptual separation or there is not. > > -geo- > > > > It's much like being a doctor or lawyer... practicing the craft... Or > > those > > who stand on any pulpit... practicing what is *preached*. > > > > Practice makes perfect. And life is perfect, isn't it? We can, however, > > *improve* it....the more awareness we practice (with). > > > > Individually and collectively. > > > > ~A > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > What's the difference between practice and living your life? > > > > > > - D - > > > You can not " improve " towards non-duality - like becomin > > > 1,9....1,8....1,2.......ONE!!! No, that is not possible LOL > > > What I feel is that certain " practices " will do something to the > > > obstacles > > > to non-duality (paraphrazing nis. recent quote). In my case it is not > > > sitting and counting or crossing legs or staying in some quite corner, > > > or > > > chanting, or repeting some stuff...but, very simpy observing thoughts, > > > going > > > along with the thinking process, observing how the mind longs, desires, > > > clings, nags, etc... can be a hard thing to do sometimes and indeed does > > > something. If you dont do that you very easily get lost in the thinking > > > field beleiving you are not there - in the conceptual world. > > > -geo- > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 - Werner Woehr Nisargadatta Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:36 PM Re: Practice Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Who is there to be aware of awareness? > -geo- > > > I beg to differ with you. Awareness is perfected... in being aware of > awareness. > > > That's nonduality's essence. nonduality's essence - And that it is total nonsense - it is the essence of nonsense, Geo. This being aware of awareness is created by thought saying " I am aware of being aware " . Without thought there is only awareness and nothing more. This being aware of awareness is duality between that which is aware and awareness. This duality is created by thought. Werner That was Anne, werner, not geo. -geo- > > From the standpoint of almost 7 billion human beings... how many would you > say are aware of awareness, of consciousness of being? > > How many have seen the separation of inside/outside disappear? How many > know > intimately the sheer ecstasy of being? Sewn together all opposites? > > How many know who they are and who they are not? > > Nonduality is the practice of being aware of awareness in the conscious > beingness of life. > > ~A > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > geo > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:25 PM > > Re: Re: Practice > > > > > > > > Awareness is not like being a doctor or lawyer. You can not perfect > > awarenss > > or non-duality - no. What I mean is that there are ways to deal with the > > obstacles to it. Say you have some habit. If you can not drop it at > > once...ongoing opposition may be a good practice. But in fact...that is > > not > > " practicing " non-duality - that sounds ridiculous to even write it down > > > > We have to consider that it is a step from fragmentation to > > non-fragmentation - it is or it is not. > > Either there is conceptual separation or there is not. > > -geo- > > > > It's much like being a doctor or lawyer... practicing the craft... Or > > those > > who stand on any pulpit... practicing what is *preached*. > > > > Practice makes perfect. And life is perfect, isn't it? We can, however, > > *improve* it....the more awareness we practice (with). > > > > Individually and collectively. > > > > ~A > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > What's the difference between practice and living your life? > > > > > > - D - > > > You can not " improve " towards non-duality - like becomin > > > 1,9....1,8....1,2.......ONE!!! No, that is not possible LOL > > > What I feel is that certain " practices " will do something to the > > > obstacles > > > to non-duality (paraphrazing nis. recent quote). In my case it is not > > > sitting and counting or crossing legs or staying in some quite corner, > > > or > > > chanting, or repeting some stuff...but, very simpy observing thoughts, > > > going > > > along with the thinking process, observing how the mind longs, > > > desires, > > > clings, nags, etc... can be a hard thing to do sometimes and indeed > > > does > > > something. If you dont do that you very easily get lost in the > > > thinking > > > field beleiving you are not there - in the conceptual world. > > > -geo- > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 PS - Something is adding and deleting letters from my posts. Weird letters are there that I did not write...and others missing..and spaces that I did not add.. (???) ==== Who is there to be aware of awareness? You see...once the whole thing is understood intellectualy one must meditate intop the aprehension of the fact that that which is observing is what you are looking for and will never be found. Its observation is the testimony of its ebeing. The seeing is the being is the doing. The seer will never be seen. -geo- I beg to differ with you. Awareness is perfected... in being aware of awareness. That's nonduality's essence. From the standpoint of almost 7 billion human beings... how many would you say are aware of awareness, of consciousness of being? How many have seen the separation of inside/outside disappear? How many know intimately the sheer ecstasy of being? Sewn together all opposites? How many know who they are and who they are not? Nonduality is the practice of being aware of awareness in the conscious beingness of life. ~A Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:25 PM > Re: Re: Practice > > > > Awareness is not like being a doctor or lawyer. You can not perfect > awarenss > or non-duality - no. What I mean is that there are ways to deal with the > obstacles to it. Say you have some habit. If you can not drop it at > once...ongoing opposition may be a good practice. But in fact...that is > not > " practicing " non-duality - that sounds ridiculous to even write it down > > We have to consider that it is a step from fragmentation to > non-fragmentation - it is or it is not. > Either there is conceptual separation or there is not. > -geo- > > It's much like being a doctor or lawyer... practicing the craft... Or > those > who stand on any pulpit... practicing what is *preached*. > > Practice makes perfect. And life is perfect, isn't it? We can, however, > *improve* it....the more awareness we practice (with). > > Individually and collectively. > > ~A > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > What's the difference between practice and living your life? > > > > - D - > > You can not " improve " towards non-duality - like becomin > > 1,9....1,8....1,2.......ONE!!! No, that is not possible LOL > > What I feel is that certain " practices " will do something to the > > obstacles > > to non-duality (paraphrazing nis. recent quote). In my case it is not > > sitting and counting or crossing legs or staying in some quite corner, > > or > > chanting, or repeting some stuff...but, very simpy observing thoughts, > > going > > along with the thinking process, observing how the mind longs, desires, > > clings, nags, etc... can be a hard thing to do sometimes and indeed does > > something. If you dont do that you very easily get lost in the thinking > > field beleiving you are not there - in the conceptual world. > > -geo- > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Werner Woehr > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:36 PM > Re: Practice > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Who is there to be aware of awareness? > > -geo- > > > > > > I beg to differ with you. Awareness is perfected... in being aware of > > awareness. > > > > > > > That's nonduality's essence. nonduality's essence - > > And that it is total nonsense - it is the essence of nonsense, Geo. > > This being aware of awareness is created by thought saying " I am aware of > being aware " . Without thought there is only awareness and nothing more. > > This being aware of awareness is duality between that which is aware and > awareness. This duality is created by thought. > > Werner > > That was Anne, werner, not geo. > -geo- > Oops, Geo ... I am already half asleep. I think I will go to bed now Werner > > > > From the standpoint of almost 7 billion human beings... how many would you > > say are aware of awareness, of consciousness of being? > > > > How many have seen the separation of inside/outside disappear? How many > > know > > intimately the sheer ecstasy of being? Sewn together all opposites? > > > > How many know who they are and who they are not? > > > > Nonduality is the practice of being aware of awareness in the conscious > > beingness of life. > > > > ~A > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > geo > > > Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:25 PM > > > Re: Re: Practice > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is not like being a doctor or lawyer. You can not perfect > > > awarenss > > > or non-duality - no. What I mean is that there are ways to deal with the > > > obstacles to it. Say you have some habit. If you can not drop it at > > > once...ongoing opposition may be a good practice. But in fact...that is > > > not > > > " practicing " non-duality - that sounds ridiculous to even write it down > > > > > > We have to consider that it is a step from fragmentation to > > > non-fragmentation - it is or it is not. > > > Either there is conceptual separation or there is not. > > > -geo- > > > > > > It's much like being a doctor or lawyer... practicing the craft... Or > > > those > > > who stand on any pulpit... practicing what is *preached*. > > > > > > Practice makes perfect. And life is perfect, isn't it? We can, however, > > > *improve* it....the more awareness we practice (with). > > > > > > Individually and collectively. > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > What's the difference between practice and living your life? > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > You can not " improve " towards non-duality - like becomin > > > > 1,9....1,8....1,2.......ONE!!! No, that is not possible LOL > > > > What I feel is that certain " practices " will do something to the > > > > obstacles > > > > to non-duality (paraphrazing nis. recent quote). In my case it is not > > > > sitting and counting or crossing legs or staying in some quite corner, > > > > or > > > > chanting, or repeting some stuff...but, very simpy observing thoughts, > > > > going > > > > along with the thinking process, observing how the mind longs, > > > > desires, > > > > clings, nags, etc... can be a hard thing to do sometimes and indeed > > > > does > > > > something. If you dont do that you very easily get lost in the > > > > thinking > > > > field beleiving you are not there - in the conceptual world. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > In the practice of practicing, we overcome the obstacle that was never there. > > > > Go figure. > > > > ~A > > What's the difference between practice and living your life? > > - D - > Nada, Dan... Not even such a thing as a thing... that's why i never got involved in practicing...however, I admit to having been a *seeker*. lol. ~A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > What's the difference between practice and living your life? > > - D - > You can not " improve " towards non-duality - like becomin > 1,9....1,8....1,2.......ONE!!! No, that is not possible LOL > What I feel is that certain " practices " will do something to the obstacles > to non-duality (paraphrazing nis. recent quote). In my case it is not > sitting and counting or crossing legs or staying in some quite corner, or > chanting, or repeting some stuff...but, very simpy observing thoughts, going > along with the thinking process, observing how the mind longs, desires, > clings, nags, etc... can be a hard thing to do sometimes and indeed does > something. If you dont do that you very easily get lost in the thinking > field beleiving you are not there - in the conceptual world. > -geo- Hi Geo - There is no practice toward nonduality. Therefore there is no obstacle to nonduality. Obstacles you can work on, can be improved. Practices don't improve obstacles to nonduality, they improve obstacles toward experiences you want to have in your life. Nonduality isn't an experience. Therefore, there is no obstacle to it. Living your life is the " practice " of nonduality. But only in the sense that there is no division between the practice, the actuality, what is the case. The word " practice " doesn't really fit, life is nonduality, that is all. If you think about it and divide it up, there is no one else to blame. Any obstacle is self-created. The observer is the observed. When you observe what you are doing, it already has been done. There is nothing to change. - Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
