Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Either the attempt to manufacture and hold on to explanations burns out and ceases, or the attempt continues. If it burns out, awareness simply is. And transcends any sense of being defined or observed, and therefore is " nothing. " There is nothing that is causing things to be as they are. One rests in and as causeless " isness " > > > or " nothingness " - and that is all. > > > > Thanks, Dan... the above really says it all. > > > > Peace... > > Peace, Tim. > > You have heard. > > Not me and what I say. > > You simply have heard. > > Your responses are coherent. > > Not with an agenda. > > My impression. > > And thanks to you. > > - D - oh my your holiness! that's soooo beautiful. pray accept with your unblemished self depreciation... a swift kick in your phony ass. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Either the attempt to manufacture and hold on to explanations burns out and ceases, or the attempt continues. If it burns out, awareness simply is. And transcends any sense of being defined or observed, and therefore is " nothing. " There is nothing that is causing things to be as they are. One rests in and as causeless " isness " > > > > or " nothingness " - and that is all. > > > > > > Thanks, Dan... the above really says it all. > > > > > > Peace... > > > > Peace, Tim. > > > > You have heard. > > > > Not me and what I say. > > > > You simply have heard. > > > > Your responses are coherent. > > > > Not with an agenda. > > > > My impression. > > Thanks, Dan... wasn't looking for 'your impression', but looks like I got it ;-). > > Our impressions of 'others' are ever-subject to change, as is everything. > > Thus, they are useless. > > Peace... P.S. fwiw, your 'impression' above came across here as a little uncomfortable, possibly given the current 'list atmosphere'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Either the attempt to manufacture and hold on to explanations burns out and ceases, or the attempt continues. If it burns out, awareness simply is. And transcends any sense of being defined or observed, and therefore is " nothing. " There is nothing that is causing things to be as they are. One rests in and as causeless " isness " > > > > or " nothingness " - and that is all. > > > > > > Thanks, Dan... the above really says it all. > > > > > > Peace... > > > > Peace, Tim. > > > > You have heard. > > > > Not me and what I say. > > > > You simply have heard. > > > > Your responses are coherent. > > > > Not with an agenda. > > > > My impression. > > Thanks, Dan... wasn't looking for 'your impression', but looks like I got it ;-). > > Our impressions of 'others' are ever-subject to change, as is everything. > > Thus, they are useless. > > Peace... i think you both got it. each others' disease. and it's as useless as you say. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Either the attempt to manufacture and hold on to explanations burns out and ceases, or the attempt continues. If it burns out, awareness simply is. And transcends any sense of being defined or observed, and therefore is " nothing. " There is nothing that is causing things to be as they are. One rests in and as causeless " isness " > > > > > or " nothingness " - and that is all. > > > > > > > > Thanks, Dan... the above really says it all. > > > > > > > > Peace... > > > > > > Peace, Tim. > > > > > > You have heard. > > > > > > Not me and what I say. > > > > > > You simply have heard. > > > > > > Your responses are coherent. > > > > > > Not with an agenda. > > > > > > My impression. > > > > Thanks, Dan... wasn't looking for 'your impression', but looks like I got it ;-). > > > > Our impressions of 'others' are ever-subject to change, as is everything. > > > > Thus, they are useless. > > > > Peace... > > P.S. fwiw, your 'impression' above came across here as a little uncomfortable, possibly given the current 'list atmosphere'. how do the " there is no you " boys.. get affected by the atmosphere. something tells me.. (a poor mortal who breathes the air and is a " you " that is.. that you're both full of shit. don't worry about the air. unless your concerned that your bullshit will pollute it. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Either the attempt to manufacture and hold on to explanations burns out and ceases, or the attempt continues. If it burns out, awareness simply is. And transcends any sense of being defined or observed, and therefore is " nothing. " There is nothing that is causing things to be as they are. One rests in and as causeless " isness " > > > > > or " nothingness " - and that is all. > > > > > > > > Thanks, Dan... the above really says it all. > > > > > > > > Peace... > > > > > > Peace, Tim. > > > > > > You have heard. > > > > > > Not me and what I say. > > > > > > You simply have heard. > > > > > > Your responses are coherent. > > > > > > Not with an agenda. > > > > > > My impression. > > > > Thanks, Dan... wasn't looking for 'your impression', but looks like I got it ;-). > > > > Our impressions of 'others' are ever-subject to change, as is everything. > > > > Thus, they are useless. > > > > Peace... > > > i think you both got it. > > each others' disease. Maybe we've got each other's ease instead. Maybe it's Bobby who feels dis-ease. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Either the attempt to manufacture and hold on to explanations burns out and ceases, or the attempt continues. If it burns out, awareness simply is. And transcends any sense of being defined or observed, and therefore is " nothing. " There is nothing that is causing things to be as they are. One rests in and as causeless " isness " > > > > > > or " nothingness " - and that is all. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Dan... the above really says it all. > > > > > > > > > > Peace... > > > > > > > > Peace, Tim. > > > > > > > > You have heard. > > > > > > > > Not me and what I say. > > > > > > > > You simply have heard. > > > > > > > > Your responses are coherent. > > > > > > > > Not with an agenda. > > > > > > > > My impression. > > > > > > Thanks, Dan... wasn't looking for 'your impression', but looks like I got it ;-). > > > > > > Our impressions of 'others' are ever-subject to change, as is everything. > > > > > > Thus, they are useless. > > > > > > Peace... > > > > > > i think you both got it. > > > > each others' disease. > > Maybe we've got each other's ease instead. > > Maybe it's Bobby who feels dis-ease. i guess misery loves company. but 'fraid you can count me out. i'm easy. you're both tight asses. that's the disease i was talking about. but hey.. if you lilies are at ease with it.. twist and shhout girls! LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either the attempt to manufacture and hold on to explanations burns out and ceases, or the attempt continues. If it burns out, awareness simply is. And transcends any sense of being defined or observed, and therefore is " nothing. " There is nothing that is causing things to be as they are. One rests in and as causeless " isness " > > > > > > > or " nothingness " - and that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Dan... the above really says it all. > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace... > > > > > > > > > > Peace, Tim. > > > > > > > > > > You have heard. > > > > > > > > > > Not me and what I say. > > > > > > > > > > You simply have heard. > > > > > > > > > > Your responses are coherent. > > > > > > > > > > Not with an agenda. > > > > > > > > > > My impression. > > > > > > > > Thanks, Dan... wasn't looking for 'your impression', but looks like I got it ;-). > > > > > > > > Our impressions of 'others' are ever-subject to change, as is everything. > > > > > > > > Thus, they are useless. > > > > > > > > Peace... > > > > > > > > > i think you both got it. > > > > > > each others' disease. > > > > Maybe we've got each other's ease instead. > > > > Maybe it's Bobby who feels dis-ease. > > > i guess misery loves company. > > but 'fraid you can count me out. > > i'm easy. Yeah... right! ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either the attempt to manufacture and hold on to explanations burns out and ceases, or the attempt continues. If it burns out, awareness simply is. And transcends any sense of being defined or observed, and therefore is " nothing. " There is nothing that is causing things to be as they are. One rests in and as causeless " isness " > > > > > > > > or " nothingness " - and that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Dan... the above really says it all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace... > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace, Tim. > > > > > > > > > > > > You have heard. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not me and what I say. > > > > > > > > > > > > You simply have heard. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your responses are coherent. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not with an agenda. > > > > > > > > > > > > My impression. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Dan... wasn't looking for 'your impression', but looks like I got it ;-). > > > > > > > > > > Our impressions of 'others' are ever-subject to change, as is everything. > > > > > > > > > > Thus, they are useless. > > > > > > > > > > Peace... > > > > > > > > > > > > i think you both got it. > > > > > > > > each others' disease. > > > > > > Maybe we've got each other's ease instead. > > > > > > Maybe it's Bobby who feels dis-ease. > > > > > > i guess misery loves company. > > > > but 'fraid you can count me out. > > > > i'm easy. > > Yeah... right! ;-). that's a girl! nice wink. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either the attempt to manufacture and hold on to explanations burns out and ceases, or the attempt continues. If it burns out, awareness simply is. And transcends any sense of being defined or observed, and therefore is " nothing. " There is nothing that is causing things to be as they are. One rests in and as causeless " isness " > > > > > > > > > or " nothingness " - and that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Dan... the above really says it all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace, Tim. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have heard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not me and what I say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You simply have heard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your responses are coherent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not with an agenda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My impression. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Dan... wasn't looking for 'your impression', but looks like I got it ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > Our impressions of 'others' are ever-subject to change, as is everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, they are useless. > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think you both got it. > > > > > > > > > > each others' disease. > > > > > > > > Maybe we've got each other's ease instead. > > > > > > > > Maybe it's Bobby who feels dis-ease. > > > > > > > > > i guess misery loves company. > > > > > > but 'fraid you can count me out. > > > > > > i'm easy. > > > > Yeah... right! ;-). > > > that's a girl! > > nice wink. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. Changing the subject is nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either the attempt to manufacture and hold on to explanations burns out and ceases, or the attempt continues. If it burns out, awareness simply is. And transcends any sense of being defined or observed, and therefore is " nothing. " There is nothing that is causing things to be as they are. One rests in and as causeless " isness " > > > > > > > > > > or " nothingness " - and that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Dan... the above really says it all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace, Tim. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have heard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not me and what I say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You simply have heard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your responses are coherent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not with an agenda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My impression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Dan... wasn't looking for 'your impression', but looks like I got it ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our impressions of 'others' are ever-subject to change, as is everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, they are useless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think you both got it. > > > > > > > > > > > > each others' disease. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we've got each other's ease instead. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe it's Bobby who feels dis-ease. > > > > > > > > > > > > i guess misery loves company. > > > > > > > > but 'fraid you can count me out. > > > > > > > > i'm easy. > > > > > > Yeah... right! ;-). > > > > > > that's a girl! > > > > nice wink. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > Changing the subject is nice. what d'ya mean? i said i'm easy. you understood and witj your wink are trying to hook up. that's not changing the subject winky twinky. but i must decline. for reasons that perhaps you wouldn't understand. no offense. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either the attempt to manufacture and hold on to explanations burns out and ceases, or the attempt continues. If it burns out, awareness simply is. And transcends any sense of being defined or observed, and therefore is " nothing. " There is nothing that is causing things to be as they are. One rests in and as causeless " isness " > > > > > > > > > > > or " nothingness " - and that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Dan... the above really says it all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace, Tim. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have heard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not me and what I say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You simply have heard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your responses are coherent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not with an agenda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My impression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Dan... wasn't looking for 'your impression', but looks like I got it ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our impressions of 'others' are ever-subject to change, as is everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, they are useless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think you both got it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each others' disease. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we've got each other's ease instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe it's Bobby who feels dis-ease. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i guess misery loves company. > > > > > > > > > > but 'fraid you can count me out. > > > > > > > > > > i'm easy. > > > > > > > > Yeah... right! ;-). > > > > > > > > > that's a girl! > > > > > > nice wink. > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Changing the subject is nice. > > > what d'ya mean? > > i said i'm easy. Hey, no need to deny the habit-thread known as " Bobby " . Every unmoderated list needs its 'house flamer', I guess, to help get everyone else in the mood for genuine enquiry. And, of course, the habit-thread called 'Bobby' can subside from time to time, and be easy, too. It's all good, either way. No volition involved in any of it. Peace... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either the attempt to manufacture and hold on to explanations burns out and ceases, or the attempt continues. If it burns out, awareness simply is. And transcends any sense of being defined or observed, and therefore is " nothing. " There is nothing that is causing things to be as they are. One rests in and as causeless " isness " > > > > > > > > > > > > or " nothingness " - and that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Dan... the above really says it all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace, Tim. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have heard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not me and what I say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You simply have heard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your responses are coherent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not with an agenda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My impression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Dan... wasn't looking for 'your impression', but looks like I got it ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our impressions of 'others' are ever-subject to change, as is everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, they are useless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think you both got it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each others' disease. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we've got each other's ease instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe it's Bobby who feels dis-ease. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i guess misery loves company. > > > > > > > > > > > > but 'fraid you can count me out. > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm easy. > > > > > > > > > > Yeah... right! ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > that's a girl! > > > > > > > > nice wink. > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Changing the subject is nice. > > > > > > what d'ya mean? > > > > i said i'm easy. > > Hey, no need to deny the habit-thread known as " Bobby " . > > Every unmoderated list needs its 'house flamer', I guess, to help get everyone else in the mood for genuine enquiry. > > And, of course, the habit-thread called 'Bobby' can subside from time to time, and be easy, too. > > It's all good, either way. No volition involved in any of it. > > Peace... baba loves your unbounded phoniness. it's that " choiceless " bullshitting of yours that jollies me up. there's no inquiry required in understanding it's hilarity. it's a fucking joke to think... that your seriously inquiring about anything.. except maybe your own pomposity and superficiality. but seriously.. i don't think you have the wherewithal to ever question that bullshit. you're too in love with the idea that you're being profound. hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! thanks. i love the laughs. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > baba loves your unbounded phoniness. Well, " it takes one to know one " ... And in particular, to love one ;-). " Tim " doesn't love Baba's unbounded phoniness at all, But that's OK. It's known clearly that he's only a phony overlay on the truth. So, the truth is spoken to, And the phoniness ignored. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > baba loves your unbounded phoniness. > > Well, " it takes one to know one " ... > > And in particular, to love one ;-). > > " Tim " doesn't love Baba's unbounded phoniness at all, > > But that's OK. > > It's known clearly that he's only a phony overlay on the truth. > > So, the truth is spoken to, > > And the phoniness ignored. that's what i'm talkin 'bout! that's exactly the unbounded phoniness i love so much. thanks for the laughs..again..and again and again.. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > baba loves your unbounded phoniness. > > > > Well, " it takes one to know one " ... > > > > And in particular, to love one ;-). > > > > " Tim " doesn't love Baba's unbounded phoniness at all, > > > > But that's OK. > > > > It's known clearly that he's only a phony overlay on the truth. > > > > So, the truth is spoken to, > > > > And the phoniness ignored. > > > that's what i'm talkin 'bout! > > that's exactly the unbounded phoniness i love so much. > > thanks for the laughs..again..and again and again.. You're welcome :-). I'm here to entertain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > baba loves your unbounded phoniness. > > > > > > Well, " it takes one to know one " ... > > > > > > And in particular, to love one ;-). > > > > > > " Tim " doesn't love Baba's unbounded phoniness at all, > > > > > > But that's OK. > > > > > > It's known clearly that he's only a phony overlay on the truth. > > > > > > So, the truth is spoken to, > > > > > > And the phoniness ignored. > > > > > > that's what i'm talkin 'bout! > > > > that's exactly the unbounded phoniness i love so much. > > > > thanks for the laughs..again..and again and again.. > > You're welcome :-). > > I'm here to entertain. glad you got it straight now. you've been trying to say that you weren't here.. that there was no you. or that you were me and me was you and they were us.. but that was when you were sober. you're brighter when you're gassed. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 So, Dan, you'd agree that the lesson of Ganesha is that the brain/head is not the primary seat of identification, but that the heart (guts) is where, um, " soul " resides? A highly trained warrior can be expected to finish the last swing of the sword even if the head has been lopped off. Carlos Castenada spoke of the solar plexus as the seat of power. Ramana spoke of the " heart " as a specific and localized area that wasn't in the head. Like that. Any chance I can get you to weigh in on the spiritual concepts: Mother Divine, Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma as symbols of the least states of excitation in the relative? I could use some help. I'm not comfortable with my use of these symbols. As a working hypothesis, I go with Vishnu and Shiva and Brahma as the three gunas -- subsets of Mother Divine -- amness. According to the Laws of Manu, even Mother Divine is stipulated to have a life span that is expressed as 1000 lifetimes of Vishnu. If you work out the math on the yugas, Mother Divine is billions of trillions of human years old, but She does ultimately dissolve/merge-with-the-Absolute between creations. Thus, amness is seen as entirely phenomenal....and that THAT is truly a mysterium. The Hindus seem to come up a little short on using a symbol for the Absolute. There is the story about the boy who dies and his father gets the priests to bring him back to life -- but when they try to do so, they keep failing, because their yagyas are all pointing to some aspect of the relative, and there they are invoking the rites to get some soul to return to a body from, say, heaven, or Brahma loka or Vicuntha -- whatever. Finally, the priests give up and simply say, " Okay, come back from wherever you are, " and the boy comes alive. Meaning: the Absolute can be no where but somewhere and completely beyond any invocation. Does the above sit well with you? Yeah, it's mere symbol juggling, but I'm trying to see if my symbols have any communicative merit in this list-group, and this will help me decide if I use here or am a mere gadfly of no didactic worth to myself or " others. " If I'm not expanding the delicacy of my mind's " touch " here, then, I probably will tilt towards looking for where there might be others who find the Hindu pantheon useful as concepts about awareness and the three states of manifest consciousness. I could just as easily use the human body's structure as my " living Veda, " but it would be a slog to try to use " liver, kidneys, heart " etc. as the symbols. The Tao of physics attempt to be a vernacular for spiritual debate seems to fall flat because physicists are still debating if there is an ultimate reality and whether string theory or whatever can be a set of symbols that can grasp all truths. As for instructing others here, I think there is a definite need to get them to have a scholarly attitude about nomenclature and the need for at least an attempt to a gel jargon's consistencies. I find no inconsistency between Nisargadatta and Ramana, but it took me years to be comfortable with that conclusion. Even though they toss around the same jargon, their English translators had less than perfect skills and thus the adherents of these two giants can be found disagreeing when there's no basis for it. The neo-Advaitans all seem to jam into the discussion " specialized words " that each " sect " gets jiggy with, and, to me, that's a dilution of the Advaita potency just as the various Christian sects bring dissonance to the central tenets of Christ. Ecumenicism is a stray dog in this world. Edg Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Hi Pete - > > Enjoying the discsussion -- > > Certainly representations of limbs occur in the brain. > > Also, it is very likely that memories are stored in other cells in the body in addition to the brain. > > I once read a research article about memories stored in the gut, referring to the gut as " the second brain, " and how the muscles in the gut area are involved in bodily tensions that retain memory, and are involved in emotional reactions to events. I've also heard much " anecdotal evidence " about this, such as memories of trauma that surfaced during a deep tissue massage. > > There is no reason to assume that only the brain is involved in memory > retention. The brain is just a system of cells, specialized through evolution and time, but nonetheless, cells communicating with one another through chemical and electrical interactions. Just as cells in the rest of the body-mind system are involved in commmunicating through chemical and electric interaction. > > Whatever memory is, it seems to have developed increasingly specialized functions through the evolution of the brain. Yet, the function that was developed can be traced back to cellular functions of the rest of the body. I'm sure this is true for every organ of the body. The body operates as a whole, inclusive of the brain, and not with the brain existing in any separate way in terms of function. This is not to say that the brain doesn't have very significant, unique functions that evolved over time, that are critical to the > life of the human organism. It does. As do other organ systems. Hands, feet, gut, liver, lungs. There is interdependent organization involved in all of it, a " bodily intelligence " if you will, that includes the brain, but is not solely a property of the brain. > > -- Dan -- > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > P:Very good addendum to what I said. Thanks. > > We think we feel our body, actually, we feel > > the model of the body stored in the brain, > > as demonstrated by people who feel pain on > > an amputated hand, or others who claim that > > their leg is not theirs because they lost > > the feeling of owning the leg. Orientation > > also depends on this model. > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Reality orientation also involves a felt-sense, constructed by the body, in an effort to orient to location and environment, identify threats, identify needed resources, and continue and survive. > > > > > > Thus, much of reality orientation goes on outside of the kind of conscious deliberation and supposed rationality involved in human decision-making that we discuss and ponder. > > > > > > Much of our reality orientation occurs on a visceral, felt level, which tends to overrun and sometimes overwhelm the supposedly rational decision-making and pondering of human thinking. > > > > > > To be really clear about the ambiguity, uncertainty, and tentative nature of reality formation involves awareness that sees through and beyond bodily level concerns related to survival that can generate intense anxiety, greed, anger, lust, varied kinds of deceit, manipulations and direct attacks on others, etc. > > > > > > These kinds of intense emotions and survival strategies tend to be ignored, supressed or avoided by people as they engage in their intellectual discussions and debates about morality, ethics, the nature of logic, memory, spiritual experiences, and so on. But those emotions and that attempt to maintain a reality associated with personal survival are there,and can be seen to surface at times when there are direct challenges and threats (such as threat to one's > > > life, one's livelihood, one's wealth, access to resources and possessions, one's loved ones, one's religion, one's country, one's status and reputation, one's beliefs, one's security, etc.). > > > > > > Nonetheless, reality is tentative, probabilistic, constructed, and actually has no center in any kind of personalized being. > > > > > > To live aware-ly, without anchoring to a reality orientation, yet able to participate in consensus reality, involves the " overthrow " of the body's reality principle, the principle that associates identification and effective response related to threats and needed resources, with reality and knowledge. > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Reality is a story we tell ourselves to > > > > sleep well, a story to make sense of our days. > > > > All knowledge, even the most mundane or the > > > > most scientific is only fiction, poetry and > > > > myth. > > > > > > > > Practical knowhow (our manipulation of > > > > the world) creates the illusion that our concepts > > > > are truth, but it's only make belief knowledge, > > > > modal fictionalism, and mythopoesis. Beneath the > > > > artistry of ideation the unknown remains untouched, > > > > not colored by meaning, reason, goal, or intelligeble > > > > form. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 - > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Reality is a story we tell ourselves to > > > > > > sleep well, a story to make sense of our days. > > > > > > All knowledge, even the most mundane or the > > > > > > most scientific is only fiction, poetry and > > > > > > myth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Practical knowhow (our manipulation of > > > > > > the world) creates the illusion that our concepts > > > > > > are truth, but it's only make belief knowledge, > > > > > > modal fictionalism, and mythopoesis. Beneath the > > > > > > artistry of ideation the unknown remains untouched, > > > > > > not colored by meaning, reason, goal, or intelligeble > > > > > > form. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > >W: Pete, I can't see that the known is a myth. > > > > > > > > > > Without knowing how to, you couldn't use your computer and type your posts and you couldn't recall my name. P: Well, I guess that you missed that I distinguished theoretical knowledge, and knowhow. Theoretical knowledge whether is scientific or spiritual is story telling of the mythical kind. From Wiki: a myth is conventionally defined as a sacred narrative explaining how the world and humankind came to be in their present form. Many scholars in other academic fields use the term " myth " in somewhat different ways. In a very broad sense, the term can refer to any traditional story. On the other hand, how to build and operate a PC is knowhow, or practical manipulation. This sort of inf. doesn't describe reality, it uses it for a definite purpose. Scientific theories can lead to technology and are useful that way. The atomic theory lead to nuclear power, but if you think of matter as made by little buzzing balls called atoms that is a myth. W: The known is memory, and the unknown is philosophers' darling. P: I would say, memory stores the known. To say that memory is the known is to like saying, my car is my garage. When I refer to the unknown I don't mean a sacred entity, but a complete absence of information about the essence of anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Either the attempt to manufacture and hold on to explanations burns out and ceases, or the attempt continues. If it burns out, awareness simply is. And transcends any sense of being defined or observed, and therefore is " nothing. " There is nothing that is causing things to be as they are. One rests in and as causeless " isness " > > > > or " nothingness " - and that is all. > > > > > > Thanks, Dan... the above really says it all. > > > > > > Peace... > > > > Peace, Tim. > > > > You have heard. > > > > Not me and what I say. > > > > You simply have heard. > > > > Your responses are coherent. > > > > Not with an agenda. > > > > My impression. > > Thanks, Dan... wasn't looking for 'your impression', but looks like I got it ;-). > > Our impressions of 'others' are ever-subject to change, as is everything. > > Thus, they are useless. > > Peace... An impression of a response. Not looking for any use for it. Typed it, and it's gone. Although the words used make it seem like it's still there. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Either the attempt to manufacture and hold on to explanations burns out and ceases, or the attempt continues. If it burns out, awareness simply is. And transcends any sense of being defined or observed, and therefore is " nothing. " There is nothing that is causing things to be as they are. One rests in and as causeless " isness " > > > > > or " nothingness " - and that is all. > > > > > > > > Thanks, Dan... the above really says it all. > > > > > > > > Peace... > > > > > > Peace, Tim. > > > > > > You have heard. > > > > > > Not me and what I say. > > > > > > You simply have heard. > > > > > > Your responses are coherent. > > > > > > Not with an agenda. > > > > > > My impression. > > > > Thanks, Dan... wasn't looking for 'your impression', but looks like I got it ;-). > > > > Our impressions of 'others' are ever-subject to change, as is everything. > > > > Thus, they are useless. > > > > Peace... > > P.S. fwiw, your 'impression' above came across here as a little uncomfortable, possibly given the current 'list atmosphere'. Funny. Doesn't fit the list atmosphere to commmunicate anything positive. It's against the rules. LOL. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
