Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 (TIM)..deleted in a hurry: It's a " necessary " step, when the perceiver (awareness) believes the perceived (one's body, one's personal history) to be itself. False beliefs have to be looked at, or they just keep coming back, like the old N.A. slogan... except it doesn't work. i guess you must have realized how inept that was. that too is a good baby step. awareness of course does not " believe " anything. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > (TIM)..deleted in a hurry: > > It's a " necessary " step, when the perceiver (awareness) believes the perceived > (one's body, one's personal history) to be itself. > > False beliefs have to be looked at, or they just keep coming back, like the old > N.A. slogan... except it doesn't work. > > > i guess you must have realized how inept that was. I just decided to change the wording. Quit reading things into the situation that aren't there. Bobby isn't inside Timmy's head. He's all locked up inside his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > (TIM)..deleted in a hurry: > > > > It's a " necessary " step, when the perceiver (awareness) believes the perceived > > (one's body, one's personal history) to be itself. > > > > False beliefs have to be looked at, or they just keep coming back, like the old > > N.A. slogan... except it doesn't work. > > > > > > i guess you must have realized how inept that was. > > I just decided to change the wording. > > Quit reading things into the situation that aren't there. > > Bobby isn't inside Timmy's head. > > He's all locked up inside his own. i don't have the foggiest notion what the hell you're trying to say. ..b b.b. isn't anywhere. nothing is " locked in " . this is your initial blunder. from this misguided belief system springs all your bullshit. it has you ghost-buffaloed. i'm beginning to undertsand that you don't have a clue. you really believe in the ghost in the machine. i had hoped more for you. but hell you can't always get what you want. maybe because there is no " you " . " you " don't " get it " So Be It. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > i don't have the foggiest notion what the hell you're trying to say. > > .b b.b. isn't anywhere. As thought, if he's there, he's there. Obviously, if one thinks of oneself, one is thinking of oneself. Doh. Trying to take the words " I don't exist " as though one really isn't suffering the presence of oneself is ridiculous. If one seems to be around, this calls for investigation. Trying to " get out of this " or " get around this " is precisely why so few ever realize the truth. Blundering back and forth, reading words and believing, trying to believe that a mere belief is going to do the trick. Get real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > i don't have the foggiest notion what the hell you're trying to say. > > > > .b b.b. isn't anywhere. > > As thought, if he's there, he's there. > > Obviously, if one thinks of oneself, one is thinking of oneself. > > Doh. > > Trying to take the words " I don't exist " as though one really isn't suffering the presence of oneself is ridiculous. > > If one seems to be around, this calls for investigation. > > Trying to " get out of this " or " get around this " is precisely why so few ever realize the truth. > > Blundering back and forth, reading words and believing, trying to believe that a mere belief is going to do the trick. > > Get real. of course you don't understand. you don't have to explain your stupidity. it's been indicated already. and you need not try and prove what i've already said. we are all idiots. but it takes a very idiotic idiot to believe he's not an idiot. c'mon timmy. there is no " real " to " get " . LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > i don't have the foggiest notion what the hell you're trying to say. > > > > > > .b b.b. isn't anywhere. > > > > As thought, if he's there, he's there. > > > > Obviously, if one thinks of oneself, one is thinking of oneself. > > > > Doh. > > > > Trying to take the words " I don't exist " as though one really isn't suffering the presence of oneself is ridiculous. > > > > If one seems to be around, this calls for investigation. > > > > Trying to " get out of this " or " get around this " is precisely why so few ever realize the truth. > > > > Blundering back and forth, reading words and believing, trying to believe that a mere belief is going to do the trick. > > > > Get real. > > > of course you don't understand. > > you don't have to explain your stupidity. > > it's been indicated already. > > and you need not try and prove what i've already said. > > we are all idiots. > > but it takes a very idiotic idiot to believe he's not an idiot. > > c'mon timmy. > > there is no " real " to " get " . Not when one is so scared of the truth, they hide in words like " nothing exists " , etc. And of course, the words like " there is no real to get " are used when convenient, but one doesn't believe them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't have the foggiest notion what the hell you're trying to say. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. isn't anywhere. > > > > > > As thought, if he's there, he's there. > > > > > > Obviously, if one thinks of oneself, one is thinking of oneself. > > > > > > Doh. > > > > > > Trying to take the words " I don't exist " as though one really isn't suffering the presence of oneself is ridiculous. > > > > > > If one seems to be around, this calls for investigation. > > > > > > Trying to " get out of this " or " get around this " is precisely why so few ever realize the truth. > > > > > > Blundering back and forth, reading words and believing, trying to believe that a mere belief is going to do the trick. > > > > > > Get real. > > > > > > of course you don't understand. > > > > you don't have to explain your stupidity. > > > > it's been indicated already. > > > > and you need not try and prove what i've already said. > > > > we are all idiots. > > > > but it takes a very idiotic idiot to believe he's not an idiot. > > > > c'mon timmy. > > > > there is no " real " to " get " . > > Not when one is so scared of the truth, they hide in words like " nothing exists " , etc. And of course, the words like " there is no real to get " are used when convenient, but one doesn't believe them. timmy..timmy.. that's what i said. " you " can't believe it. It is So. are you getting too excited? slow down and let what has been said be absorbed. it will destroy you and the.. GLORY! until then.. suffer on. it's interesting quite frankly. good fellow! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > timmy..timmy.. > > that's what i said. > > " you " can't believe it. Get some rest, Bobby... ya said you were tired (indirectly, anyway). I can recall 'back in the day'... when the avoidance got heavy... I would actually get drowsy, and doze off. The mind will go so far to avoid 'seeing', it will induce unconsciousness. That's heavy, man ;-). > It is So. > > are you getting too excited? I'm calm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > timmy..timmy.. > > > > that's what i said. > > > > " you " can't believe it. > > Get some rest, Bobby... ya said you were tired (indirectly, anyway). > > I can recall 'back in the day'... when the avoidance got heavy... I would actually get drowsy, and doze off. The mind will go so far to avoid 'seeing', it will induce unconsciousness. > > That's heavy, man ;-). > > > It is So. > > > > are you getting too excited? > > I'm calm. no.. you are thought you said. thought is never calm. that's it's prime nature. it IS unrest. this is the dis-ease that " you " " suffer " .. as the very " suffering " that is " thought " . ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Trying to "get out of this" or "get around this" is precisely why so few ever realize the truth. -tim- So now there are others that realize truth. I thought you said it takes an ego to see other egos. (??) -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Not when one is so scared of the truth, they hide in words like "nothing exists", etc. And of course, the words like "there is no real to get" are used when convenient, but one doesn't believe them.-tim- Or when one hide by saying there are no others...but keep telling others so. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Trying to " get out of this " or " get around this " is precisely why so few ever realize the truth. > -tim- > > So now there are others that realize truth. I thought you said it takes an ego to see other egos. (??) > -geo- it's evident that tim doesn't see the pathetic fallacies found.. in so much of what he tries to pawn off as wisdom. but he get's annoyed when the antinomies found in what he writes.. are pointed out to him. he then reverts to the old crap about " you " being " me " et al. you can bring a horse to water but you can't make him drink... no matter how clear his need. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Not when one is so scared of the truth, they hide in words like " nothing exists " , etc. And of course, the words like " there is no real to get " are used when convenient, but one doesn't believe them. > -tim- > > Or when one hide by saying there are no others...but keep telling > others so. > -geo- There are no others, and no others are being told this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Trying to " get out of this " or " get around this " is precisely why so few ever realize the truth. > -tim- > > So now there are others that realize truth. I thought you said it takes an ego to see other egos. (??) > -geo- I don't see any egos. I see thought engaged in a misunderstanding. My own thought, of course, as nobody else's thought is being seen... when a message is read here, it's not " somebody else's " thoughts that are appearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > it's evident that tim doesn't see the pathetic fallacies found.. > > in so much of what he tries to pawn off as wisdom. I'm not interested in being seen as wise. I'm fine with being seen as ignorant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Not when one is so scared of the truth, they hide in words like " nothing exists " , etc. And of course, the words like " there is no real to get " are used when convenient, but one doesn't believe them. > > -tim- > > > > Or when one hide by saying there are no others...but keep telling > > others so. > > -geo- > > There are no others, and no others are being told this. why? or.. why not? if there are no others.. no one cares. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Trying to " get out of this " or " get around this " is precisely why so few ever realize the truth. > > -tim- > > > > So now there are others that realize truth. I thought you said it takes an ego to see other egos. (??) > > -geo- > > I don't see any egos. I see thought engaged in a misunderstanding. > > My own thought, of course, as nobody else's thought is being seen... when a message is read here, it's not " somebody else's " thoughts that are appearing. then don't bother. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > Trying to " get out of this " or " get around this " is precisely why so few ever realize the truth. > > > -tim- > > > > > > So now there are others that realize truth. I thought you said it takes an ego to see other egos. (??) > > > -geo- > > > > I don't see any egos. I see thought engaged in a misunderstanding. > > > > My own thought, of course, as nobody else's thought is being seen... when a message is read here, it's not " somebody else's " thoughts that are appearing. > > > then don't bother. > > .b b.b. Nothing else to do... this is what's happening. There's no interest here in doing " something else " other than what's happening now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Not when one is so scared of the truth, they hide in words like " nothing exists " , etc. And of course, the words like " there is no real to get " are used when convenient, but one doesn't believe them. > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > Or when one hide by saying there are no others...but keep telling > > > > others so. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > There are no others, and no others are being told this. > > > > > > why? > > > > or.. > > > > why not? > > > > if there are no others.. > > > > no one cares. > > > > .b b.b. > > Compassion does not require others. One can be compassionate toward oneself. to what fucking purpose? that's dumb! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Trying to " get out of this " or " get around this " is precisely why so few ever realize the truth. > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > So now there are others that realize truth. I thought you said it takes an ego to see other egos. (??) > > > > -geo- > > > > > > I don't see any egos. I see thought engaged in a misunderstanding. > > > > > > My own thought, of course, as nobody else's thought is being seen... when a message is read here, it's not " somebody else's " thoughts that are appearing. > > > > > > then don't bother. > > > > .b b.b. > > Nothing else to do... this is what's happening. There's no interest here in doing " something else " other than what's happening now. that's not interesting either. just more bullshit. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Trying to " get out of this " or " get around this " is precisely why so few ever realize the truth. > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > So now there are others that realize truth. I thought you said it takes an ego to see other egos. (??) > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > I don't see any egos. I see thought engaged in a misunderstanding. > > > > > > > > My own thought, of course, as nobody else's thought is being seen... when a message is read here, it's not " somebody else's " thoughts that are appearing. > > > > > > > > > then don't bother. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Nothing else to do... this is what's happening. There's no interest here in doing " something else " other than what's happening now. > > > that's not interesting either. > > just more bullshit. > > .b b.b. There's no need to read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Not when one is so scared of the truth, they hide in words like " nothing exists " , etc. And of course, the words like " there is no real to get " are used when convenient, but one doesn't believe them. > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > Or when one hide by saying there are no others...but keep telling > > > > > others so. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > There are no others, and no others are being told this. > > > > > > > > > why? > > > > > > or.. > > > > > > why not? > > > > > > if there are no others.. > > > > > > no one cares. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Compassion does not require others. One can be compassionate toward oneself. > > > to what fucking purpose? > > that's dumb! > > .b b.b. I find all things equally interesting. Anything I'm doing now is perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:54 AM Re: This Morning At Niz (deleted II) Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Trying to " get out of this " or " get around this " is precisely why so few > ever realize the truth. > -tim- > > So now there are others that realize truth. I thought you said it takes an > ego to see other egos. (??) > -geo- I don't see any egos. I see thought engaged in a misunderstanding. My own thought, of course, as nobody else's thought is being seen... when a message is read here, it's not " somebody else's " thoughts that are appearing. -tim- Then would you mind explaining what " is precisely why so few ever realize the truth " means? -egg- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > I don't see any egos. I see thought engaged in a misunderstanding. > > My own thought, of course, as nobody else's thought is being seen... when a > message is read here, it's not " somebody else's " thoughts that are > appearing. > -tim- > > Then would you mind explaining what " is precisely why so few ever > realize > the truth " means? > -egg- I don't even recall in what context it was stated. Could you repost the whole message, so I can see the context? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:55 AM Re: This Morning At Niz (deleted II) Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > it's evident that tim doesn't see the pathetic fallacies found.. > > in so much of what he tries to pawn off as wisdom. I'm not interested in being seen as wise. I'm fine with being seen as ignorant. -tim- This is false. Hipocrisy. If it was true, you would be humble and open...but you are not. You dont accept the possibility of not being awake all the time and question why. -ego- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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