Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2009 You want the truth to be a certain way; You seek truth which corresponds to your beliefs. The truth you seek is the truth you already are. Knowing yourself, you know everything/everybody. But you seek something/somebody 'out there' instead. Seek in the right place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > You want the truth to be a certain way; > > You seek truth which corresponds to your beliefs. > er > The truth you seek is the truth you already are. Tim, Consciousness is all there is. What you are is what consciousness allows to be conscious of. So all your wunderful truth is very limited and - quickly forgotten. > > Knowing yourself, you know everything/everybody. Self-knowledge is like all other knowledge, you can only 'know' what you remember. You can have learned a million facts about yourself but at this very moment your self-knowlede is just what your brain allows to remember - very, very little. > > But you seek something/somebody 'out there' instead. > > Seek in the right place. > Seeking 'out there' or seeking 'within' makes no difference because the seeker is the sought. If you seek sex, fame or riches, the seeker is the sought. If you stop seeking the seeker also is gone. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Tim, > > Consciousness is all there is. So why address this message to " Tim " ? What Tim is that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Tim, > > > > Consciousness is all there is. > > So why address this message to " Tim " ? What Tim is that? > I don't care about your name or nick. But if you prefer from now on, instead of Tim, I will call you Donald Duck. If you remember we already had that again: 'I am you and you are me, on your there sits a humble bee'. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > Consciousness is all there is. > > > > So why address this message to " Tim " ? What Tim is that? > > > > > I don't care about your name or nick. But if you prefer from now > on, instead of Tim, I will call you Donald Duck. I don't care either way. Thought responds to such data, as a computer speech-recognition program displays a head turning when a word is spoken into the microphone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > > > Consciousness is all there is. > > > > > > So why address this message to " Tim " ? What Tim is that? > > > > > > > > > I don't care about your name or nick. But if you prefer from now > > on, instead of Tim, I will call you Donald Duck. > > I don't care either way. Thought responds to such data, as a computer speech-recognition program displays a head turning when a word is spoken into the microphone. > P.S. why not question Bob instead? You'll get the string of " F*ck you's " you're looking for, to start the game off right ;-). I'm not interested. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness is all there is. > > > > > > > > So why address this message to " Tim " ? What Tim is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't care about your name or nick. But if you prefer from now > > > on, instead of Tim, I will call you Donald Duck. > > > > I don't care either way. Thought responds to such data, as a computer speech-recognition program displays a head turning when a word is spoken into the microphone. > > > > P.S. why not question Bob instead? You'll get the string of " F*ck you's " you're looking for, to start the game off right ;-). I'm not interested. > You already have answered your question yourself. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > > > Consciousness is all there is. > > > > > > So why address this message to " Tim " ? What Tim is that? > > > > > > > > > I don't care about your name or nick. But if you prefer from now > > on, instead of Tim, I will call you Donald Duck. > > I don't care either way. Thought responds to such data, as a computer speech-recognition program displays a head turning when a word is spoken into the microphone. > Tim, The word communication has its root in the Latin 'communicare' which means 'to care together'. Are we caring together like humans or are we just like computers responding in a very limited way ? Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness is all there is. > > > > > > > > So why address this message to " Tim " ? What Tim is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't care about your name or nick. But if you prefer from now > > > on, instead of Tim, I will call you Donald Duck. > > > > I don't care either way. Thought responds to such data, as a computer speech-recognition program displays a head turning when a word is spoken into the microphone. > > > > P.S. why not question Bob instead? You'll get the string of " F*ck you's " you're looking for, to start the game off right ;-). I'm not interested. ROFLMAO! who the fuck cares if you're interested or not? you're both a couple of fucking dumb fucks. arguing who's right about there being nothing.. except and only for what either of you think there is. two clowns each thinking their makeup face and story is the best. hahahahahahahaaaa! good show kids. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > > P.S. why not question Bob instead? You'll get the string of " F*ck you's " you're looking for, to start the game off right ;-). I'm not interested. > > > ROFLMAO! > > who the fuck cares if you're interested or not? Whoever replies to the Email, obviously... like you ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Tim, > > The word communication has its root in the Latin 'communicare' which > means 'to care together'. > > Are we caring together like humans or are we just like computers > responding in a very limited way ? > > Werner Both, it seems. To care about others (not-care about oneself) is mechanical. To reject others (care about oneself) is mechanical. What isn't mechanical, need not and cannot be commented on. No self or others are involved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Tim, > > > > The word communication has its root in the Latin 'communicare' which > means 'to care together'. > > > > Are we caring together like humans or are we just like computers > > responding in a very limited way ? > > > > Werner > > Both, it seems. > > To care about others (not-care about oneself) is mechanical. To reject others (care about oneself) is mechanical. > > What isn't mechanical, need not and cannot be commented on. No > self or others are involved. As Nisargadatta said, " a different dimension altogether " . And yet, not different at all. One divests one's investment in the " self image " . One recollects one's divestment of " Being " . Simultaneously. Same 'movement'. Progress that is regress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > P.S. why not question Bob instead? You'll get the string of " F*ck you's " you're looking for, to start the game off right ;-). I'm not interested. > > > > > > ROFLMAO! > > > > who the fuck cares if you're interested or not? > > Whoever replies to the Email, obviously... like you ;-). ROFLMAO! " email " ? what fucking email asshole? the only thing about your " post " that i find interesting.. is how fucking stupid it is. anyway.. your Angioplasty today was not all peaches and cream. and fuck you for not as me being the one who underwent that shit... as the me that you said you are. anyway.. looks like next stop..and very soon.. is bypass crapola. so 'tis time for Bob to take a break from the gang. despite all your fine bullshit about you being me and me being you.. i just can't believe that it's you who's heart is being stopped.. as they clamp off the aorta.. and harvest veins and stuff from leg or arm.. and graft them onto the beater. but i will wish me good luck as the me that is you. and fuck you if you don't like that. so tim and friends.. i'll either see you anon... maybe in a month or so or in the funny papers in the sky. take care and all that shit. see you later.... or so long.... one or the other. if i don't return... it's been swell. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. why not question Bob instead? You'll get the string of " F*ck you's " you're looking for, to start the game off right ;-). I'm not interested. > > > > > > > > > ROFLMAO! > > > > > > who the fuck cares if you're interested or not? > > > > Whoever replies to the Email, obviously... like you ;-). > > > ROFLMAO! > > " email " ? > > what fucking email asshole? > > the only thing about your " post " that i find interesting.. > > is how fucking stupid it is. > > anyway.. > > your Angioplasty today was not all peaches and cream. > > and fuck you for not as me being the one who underwent that shit... Sorry to hear that, Bobby, altho ya got a funny way of looking for pity & sympathy. Kick ya into yer coffin, more like ;-). Enjoy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Tim, > > > > The word communication has its root in the Latin 'communicare' which > means 'to care together'. > > > > Are we caring together like humans or are we just like computers > > responding in a very limited way ? > > > > Werner > > Both, it seems. > > To care about others (not-care about oneself) is mechanical. To reject others (care about oneself) is mechanical. > > What isn't mechanical, need not and cannot be commented on. No self or others are involved. > This mechanical topic is quite interesting, Tim. Is there an opposite to acting mechanical which is not mechanical ? What about intelligence ? Is intelligence mechanical or is it independent and free ? But to call a human action as mechanical also implies that there must exist something which is not mechanical, else that word 'mechanical' would not exist. What about Love (with a capital 'L') ? Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > The word communication has its root in the Latin 'communicare' which > means 'to care together'. > > > > > > Are we caring together like humans or are we just like computers > > > responding in a very limited way ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > Both, it seems. > > > > To care about others (not-care about oneself) is mechanical. To reject others (care about oneself) is mechanical. > > > > What isn't mechanical, need not and cannot be commented on. No self or others are involved. > > > > > This mechanical topic is quite interesting, Tim. > > Is there an opposite to acting mechanical which is not mechanical ? What about intelligence ? Is intelligence mechanical or is it independent and free ? > > But to call a human action as mechanical also implies that there must exist something which is not mechanical, else that word 'mechanical' would not exist. What about Love (with a capital 'L') ? > > Werner > sounds as if we function according to our programming .if we are hard wired for happiness ,it s desire that may cause a malfunction. michellle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " michelleedge20 " <michelleedge20 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > > > The word communication has its root in the Latin 'communicare' which > means 'to care together'. > > > > > > > > Are we caring together like humans or are we just like computers > > > > responding in a very limited way ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Both, it seems. > > > > > > To care about others (not-care about oneself) is mechanical. To reject others (care about oneself) is mechanical. > > > > > > What isn't mechanical, need not and cannot be commented on. No self or others are involved. > > > > > > > > > This mechanical topic is quite interesting, Tim. > > > > Is there an opposite to acting mechanical which is not mechanical ? What about intelligence ? Is intelligence mechanical or is it independent and free ? > > > > But to call a human action as mechanical also implies that there must exist something which is not mechanical, else that word 'mechanical' would not exist. What about Love (with a capital 'L') ? > > > > Werner > > > sounds as if we function according to our programming .if we are hard wired for happiness ,it s desire that may cause a malfunction. > michellle > Yes, Michelle, this seems the most plausible. The whole Universe just a huge machine following eternal laws which cannot and never will change. All this talk about liberation and freedom just an escape. But somehow odd that a mechanical creature wants to get free and liberated, isn't that strange ? Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " michelleedge20 " <michelleedge20@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > > > > > The word communication has its root in the Latin 'communicare' which > means 'to care together'. > > > > > > > > > > Are we caring together like humans or are we just like computers > > > > > responding in a very limited way ? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Both, it seems. > > > > > > > > To care about others (not-care about oneself) is mechanical. To reject others (care about oneself) is mechanical. > > > > > > > > What isn't mechanical, need not and cannot be commented on. No self or others are involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > This mechanical topic is quite interesting, Tim. > > > > > > Is there an opposite to acting mechanical which is not mechanical ? What about intelligence ? Is intelligence mechanical or is it independent and free ? > > > > > > But to call a human action as mechanical also implies that there must exist something which is not mechanical, else that word 'mechanical' would not exist. What about Love (with a capital 'L') ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > sounds as if we function according to our programming .if we are hard wired for happiness ,it s desire that may cause a malfunction. > > michellle > > > > > Yes, Michelle, > > this seems the most plausible. > > The whole Universe just a huge machine following eternal laws which cannot and never will change. > > All this talk about liberation and freedom just an escape. But somehow odd that a mechanical creature wants to get free and liberated, isn't that strange ? > > Werner Saying there is a mechanical creature is a pretense of knowledge. There is nothing to know. You can't step out of the present to know anything about it as an object. The past is not, and can't be known. The future is not, and can't be known. The knower is a fictional stringing together of memory images, imagined as forms being retained, as if forms could be retained, as if something of the past remained. The self or knower is just the imagined retention of what isn't held. No knower, nothing known, nothing to be known, no lack of knowledge. That's all. No mechanical creature, no authoritative stance to be taken. -- D -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. why not question Bob instead? You'll get the string of " F*ck you's " you're looking for, to start the game off right ;-). I'm not interested. > > > > > > > > > ROFLMAO! > > > > > > who the fuck cares if you're interested or not? > > > > Whoever replies to the Email, obviously... like you ;-). > > > ROFLMAO! > > " email " ? > > what fucking email asshole? > > the only thing about your " post " that i find interesting.. > > is how fucking stupid it is. > > anyway.. > > your Angioplasty today was not all peaches and cream. > > and fuck you for not as me being the one who underwent that shit... > > as the me that you said you are. > > anyway.. > > looks like next stop..and very soon.. > > is bypass crapola. > > so 'tis time for Bob to take a break from the gang. > > despite all your fine bullshit about you being me and me being you.. > > i just can't believe that it's you who's heart is being stopped.. > > as they clamp off the aorta.. > > and harvest veins and stuff from leg or arm.. > > and graft them onto the beater. > > but i will wish me good luck as the me that is you. > > and fuck you if you don't like that. > > so tim and friends.. > > i'll either see you anon... > > maybe in a month or so > > or in the funny papers in the sky. > > take care and all that shit. > > see you later.... or so long.... one or the other. > > if i don't return... > > it's been swell. > > .b b.b. good luck. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 30, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:31 PM Re: Truth Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " michelleedge20 " <michelleedge20@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > > > > > The word communication has its root in the Latin 'communicare' > > > > > which > means 'to care together'. > > > > > > > > > > Are we caring together like humans or are we just like computers > > > > > responding in a very limited way ? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Both, it seems. > > > > > > > > To care about others (not-care about oneself) is mechanical. To > > > > reject others (care about oneself) is mechanical. > > > > > > > > What isn't mechanical, need not and cannot be commented on. No self > > > > or others are involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > This mechanical topic is quite interesting, Tim. > > > > > > Is there an opposite to acting mechanical which is not mechanical ? > > > What about intelligence ? Is intelligence mechanical or is it > > > independent and free ? > > > > > > But to call a human action as mechanical also implies that there must > > > exist something which is not mechanical, else that word 'mechanical' > > > would not exist. What about Love (with a capital 'L') ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > sounds as if we function according to our programming .if we are hard > > wired for happiness ,it s desire that may cause a malfunction. > > michellle > > > > > Yes, Michelle, > > this seems the most plausible. > > The whole Universe just a huge machine following eternal laws which cannot > and never will change. > > All this talk about liberation and freedom just an escape. But somehow odd > that a mechanical creature wants to get free and liberated, isn't that > strange ? > > Werner Saying there is a mechanical creature is a pretense of knowledge. There is nothing to know. You can't step out of the present to know anything about it as an object. The past is not, and can't be known. The future is not, and can't be known. The knower is a fictional stringing together of memory images, imagined as forms being retained, as if forms could be retained, as if something of the past remained. The self or knower is just the imagined retention of what isn't held. No knower, nothing known, nothing to be known, no lack of knowledge. That's all. No mechanical creature, no authoritative stance to be taken. -- D -- The human animal is a mechanical criature. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " michelleedge20 " <michelleedge20@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > > > > > > > The word communication has its root in the Latin 'communicare' which > means 'to care together'. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we caring together like humans or are we just like computers > > > > > > responding in a very limited way ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Both, it seems. > > > > > > > > > > To care about others (not-care about oneself) is mechanical. To reject others (care about oneself) is mechanical. > > > > > > > > > > What isn't mechanical, need not and cannot be commented on. No self or others are involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This mechanical topic is quite interesting, Tim. > > > > > > > > Is there an opposite to acting mechanical which is not mechanical ? What about intelligence ? Is intelligence mechanical or is it independent and free ? > > > > > > > > But to call a human action as mechanical also implies that there must exist something which is not mechanical, else that word 'mechanical' would not exist. What about Love (with a capital 'L') ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > sounds as if we function according to our programming .if we are hard wired for happiness ,it s desire that may cause a malfunction. > > > michellle > > > > > > > > > Yes, Michelle, > > > > this seems the most plausible. > > > > The whole Universe just a huge machine following eternal laws which cannot and never will change. > > > > All this talk about liberation and freedom just an escape. But somehow odd that a mechanical creature wants to get free and liberated, isn't that strange ? > > > > Werner > > Saying there is a mechanical creature is a pretense of knowledge. > > There is nothing to know. > > You can't step out of the present to know anything about it as an object. > > The past is not, and can't be known. > > The future is not, and can't be known. > > The knower is a fictional stringing together of memory images, imagined as forms being retained, as if forms could be retained, as if something of the past remained. > > The self or knower is just the imagined retention of what isn't held. > > No knower, nothing known, nothing to be known, no lack of knowledge. > > That's all. > > No mechanical creature, no authoritative stance to be taken. > > -- D -- > With autoritative stance you mean your own one I just was reading ? Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:31 PM > Re: Truth > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " michelleedge20 " <michelleedge20@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > > > > > > > The word communication has its root in the Latin 'communicare' > > > > > > which > means 'to care together'. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we caring together like humans or are we just like computers > > > > > > responding in a very limited way ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Both, it seems. > > > > > > > > > > To care about others (not-care about oneself) is mechanical. To > > > > > reject others (care about oneself) is mechanical. > > > > > > > > > > What isn't mechanical, need not and cannot be commented on. No self > > > > > or others are involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This mechanical topic is quite interesting, Tim. > > > > > > > > Is there an opposite to acting mechanical which is not mechanical ? > > > > What about intelligence ? Is intelligence mechanical or is it > > > > independent and free ? > > > > > > > > But to call a human action as mechanical also implies that there must > > > > exist something which is not mechanical, else that word 'mechanical' > > > > would not exist. What about Love (with a capital 'L') ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > sounds as if we function according to our programming .if we are hard > > > wired for happiness ,it s desire that may cause a malfunction. > > > michellle > > > > > > > > > Yes, Michelle, > > > > this seems the most plausible. > > > > The whole Universe just a huge machine following eternal laws which cannot > > and never will change. > > > > All this talk about liberation and freedom just an escape. But somehow odd > > that a mechanical creature wants to get free and liberated, isn't that > > strange ? > > > > Werner > > Saying there is a mechanical creature is a pretense of knowledge. > > There is nothing to know. > > You can't step out of the present to know anything about it as an object. > > The past is not, and can't be known. > > The future is not, and can't be known. > > The knower is a fictional stringing together of memory images, imagined as > forms being retained, as if forms could be retained, as if something of the > past remained. > > The self or knower is just the imagined retention of what isn't held. > > No knower, nothing known, nothing to be known, no lack of knowledge. > > That's all. > > No mechanical creature, no authoritative stance to be taken. > > -- D -- > > The human animal is a mechanical criature. > -geo- Funny, but I don't see any things. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " michelleedge20 " <michelleedge20@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The word communication has its root in the Latin 'communicare' which > means 'to care together'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we caring together like humans or are we just like computers > > > > > > > responding in a very limited way ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > Both, it seems. > > > > > > > > > > > > To care about others (not-care about oneself) is mechanical. To reject others (care about oneself) is mechanical. > > > > > > > > > > > > What isn't mechanical, need not and cannot be commented on. No self or others are involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This mechanical topic is quite interesting, Tim. > > > > > > > > > > Is there an opposite to acting mechanical which is not mechanical ? What about intelligence ? Is intelligence mechanical or is it independent and free ? > > > > > > > > > > But to call a human action as mechanical also implies that there must exist something which is not mechanical, else that word 'mechanical' would not exist. What about Love (with a capital 'L') ? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > sounds as if we function according to our programming .if we are hard wired for happiness ,it s desire that may cause a malfunction. > > > > michellle > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Michelle, > > > > > > this seems the most plausible. > > > > > > The whole Universe just a huge machine following eternal laws which cannot and never will change. > > > > > > All this talk about liberation and freedom just an escape. But somehow odd that a mechanical creature wants to get free and liberated, isn't that strange ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > Saying there is a mechanical creature is a pretense of knowledge. > > > > There is nothing to know. > > > > You can't step out of the present to know anything about it as an object. > > > > The past is not, and can't be known. > > > > The future is not, and can't be known. > > > > The knower is a fictional stringing together of memory images, imagined as forms being retained, as if forms could be retained, as if something of the past remained. > > > > The self or knower is just the imagined retention of what isn't held. > > > > No knower, nothing known, nothing to be known, no lack of knowledge. > > > > That's all. > > > > No mechanical creature, no authoritative stance to be taken. > > > > -- D -- > > > > > With autoritative stance you mean your own one I just was reading ? > > Werner On the contrary. I said nothing. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 30, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:23 PM Re: Truth Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:31 PM > Re: Truth > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " michelleedge20 " <michelleedge20@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > > > > > > > The word communication has its root in the Latin 'communicare' > > > > > > which > means 'to care together'. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we caring together like humans or are we just like computers > > > > > > responding in a very limited way ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Both, it seems. > > > > > > > > > > To care about others (not-care about oneself) is mechanical. To > > > > > reject others (care about oneself) is mechanical. > > > > > > > > > > What isn't mechanical, need not and cannot be commented on. No > > > > > self > > > > > or others are involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This mechanical topic is quite interesting, Tim. > > > > > > > > Is there an opposite to acting mechanical which is not mechanical ? > > > > What about intelligence ? Is intelligence mechanical or is it > > > > independent and free ? > > > > > > > > But to call a human action as mechanical also implies that there > > > > must > > > > exist something which is not mechanical, else that word 'mechanical' > > > > would not exist. What about Love (with a capital 'L') ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > sounds as if we function according to our programming .if we are hard > > > wired for happiness ,it s desire that may cause a malfunction. > > > michellle > > > > > > > > > Yes, Michelle, > > > > this seems the most plausible. > > > > The whole Universe just a huge machine following eternal laws which > > cannot > > and never will change. > > > > All this talk about liberation and freedom just an escape. But somehow > > odd > > that a mechanical creature wants to get free and liberated, isn't that > > strange ? > > > > Werner > > Saying there is a mechanical creature is a pretense of knowledge. > > There is nothing to know. > > You can't step out of the present to know anything about it as an object. > > The past is not, and can't be known. > > The future is not, and can't be known. > > The knower is a fictional stringing together of memory images, imagined as > forms being retained, as if forms could be retained, as if something of > the > past remained. > > The self or knower is just the imagined retention of what isn't held. > > No knower, nothing known, nothing to be known, no lack of knowledge. > > That's all. > > No mechanical creature, no authoritative stance to be taken. > > -- D -- > > The human animal is a mechanical criature. > -geo- Funny, but I don't see any things. - d - What things that you dont see? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " michelleedge20 " <michelleedge20 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > > > The word communication has its root in the Latin 'communicare' which > means 'to care together'. > > > > > > > > Are we caring together like humans or are we just like computers > > > > responding in a very limited way ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Both, it seems. > > > > > > To care about others (not-care about oneself) is mechanical. To reject others (care about oneself) is mechanical. > > > > > > What isn't mechanical, need not and cannot be commented on. No self or others are involved. > > > > > > > > > This mechanical topic is quite interesting, Tim. > > > > Is there an opposite to acting mechanical which is not mechanical ? What about intelligence ? Is intelligence mechanical or is it independent and free ? > > > > But to call a human action as mechanical also implies that there must exist something which is not mechanical, else that word 'mechanical' would not exist. What about Love (with a capital 'L') ? > > > > Werner > > > sounds as if we function according to our programming .if we are hard wired for happiness ,it s desire that may cause a malfunction. > michellle > We ARE the programming. We are not programmed for happiness.....we are programmed to search for happiness. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
