Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ahh, the dilemma of it all! Wax on, wax on! > > > > > > > > > > > > there's no dilemma there Timmy. > > > > > > > > if that's what you think... > > > > > > > > it's just ordinary stupidity. > > > > > > Only a fool > > > Like fools before me > > > I always think with my heart > > > Only a fool > > > That same old story > > > Seems I was born for the part > > > > > > It's a lesson that I've learnt > > > And a page I should have turned > > > I shouldn't cry > > > But I do > > > Like an ordinary fool > > > When her ordinary dreams > > > Fall through > > > > > > How many times > > > Have I mistaken > > > Good looks and lies > > > For bad news? > > > How many times > > > Have I mistaken > > > Love songs and laughs > > > For the blues? > > > > > > When a road I've walked before > > > Ends alone at my front door > > > I shouldn't cry > > > But I do > > > Like an ordinary fool > > > When her ordinary dreams > > > Fall through > > > > > > are you listening to " Malt Shop Memories " or what the fuck? > > > > .b b.b. > > Mmm. Mmm. > > Memories, light the corners of my mind > Misty watercolor memories of the way we were. > > Scattered pictures of the smiles we left behind > Smiles we give to one another > For the way we were. > > Can it be that it was all so simple then > Or has time rewritten every line? > > If we had the chance to do it all again > Tell me would we? Could we? > > Memories, may be beautiful and yet > What's too painful to remember > We simply choose to forget! > > (damn... I forgot to choose to forget... shit...) drown your sorrows. tell'em to put double chocolate in that fucking malt. and put another nickle in that jukebox sailor. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > (damn... I forgot to choose to forget... shit...) > > > > > drown your sorrows. See them for what they are... imaginary. Sorrows seeing themselves, in an attempt to maintain the " me " who they supposedly occurred to. > tell'em to put double chocolate in that fucking malt. > > and put another nickle in that jukebox sailor. > > .b b.b. Been there, done that, got no T-shirt or anything else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > (damn... I forgot to choose to forget... shit...) > > > > > > > > > > drown your sorrows. > > See them for what they are... imaginary. Sorrows seeing themselves, in an attempt to maintain the " me " who they supposedly occurred to. well then drown the fuckers. they aren't real. kill those peaky bastards. that's what we can do with all undesirable too. elimimate them. what the hell they're not real. Adolph was of that certainty too. all those dumb ass " me " jews! they screw up everything for the " reals " . and to maintain the " supposed " them would have been too costly. besides..they were just bad imagination. > > tell'em to put double chocolate in that fucking malt. > > > > and put another nickle in that jukebox sailor. > > > > .b b.b. > > Been there, done that, got no T-shirt or anything else. well you claim you aren't among the embodied. what the hell good would a T-shirt do? quit whining. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > drown your sorrows. > > > > See them for what they are... imaginary. Sorrows seeing themselves, in an attempt to maintain the " me " who they supposedly occurred to. well then drown the fuckers. > > they aren't real. > > kill those peaky bastards. > > that's what we can do with all undesirable too. > > elimimate them. Do they go away? " Keep coming back, it works! " (NA/AA program) Not. > what the hell they're not real. > > Adolph was of that certainty too. > > all those dumb ass " me " jews! No, Adolph was not of that certainty. To him, jews were " other " , to be eliminated. Did they go away? Sorrows are " other " , to be eliminated. Do they go away? > besides..they were just bad imagination. Imagination isn't the problem. It's the supposed imaginer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > (damn... I forgot to choose to forget... shit...) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > drown your sorrows. > > > > See them for what they are... imaginary. Sorrows seeing themselves, in an attempt to maintain the " me " who they supposedly occurred to. well then drown the fuckers. > > they aren't real. > > kill those peaky bastards. > > that's what we can do with all undesirable too. > > elimimate them. yeah, elimimate them, mate. and *i'm* dyselexic? sheesh. > what the hell they're not real. > > Adolph was of that certainty too. > > all those dumb ass " me " jews! > > they screw up everything for the " reals " . > > and to maintain the " supposed " them would have been too costly. > > besides..they were just bad imagination. good point. yes, nihilism leads to lots of bad shit. fuck nihilism. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > drown your sorrows. > > > > > > See them for what they are... imaginary. Sorrows seeing themselves, in an attempt to maintain the " me " who they supposedly occurred to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well then drown the fuckers. > > > > they aren't real. > > > > kill those peaky bastards. > > > > that's what we can do with all undesirable too. > > > > elimimate them. > > Do they go away? > > " Keep coming back, it works! " (NA/AA program) > > Not. > > > what the hell they're not real. > > > > Adolph was of that certainty too. > > > > all those dumb ass " me " jews! > > No, Adolph was not of that certainty. > > To him, jews were " other " , to be eliminated. yes, that's more what adolph actually said. but hell, let's make up herstory as we go along. it's imaginary anyway, eh wot? > Did they go away? > > Sorrows are " other " , to be eliminated. eliminating something makes it more real, it's true. > Do they go away? > > > besides..they were just bad imagination. > > Imagination isn't the problem. > > It's the supposed imaginer. imagination isn't a problem, when you understand it's imagined. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > what the hell they're not real. > > > > > > Adolph was of that certainty too. > > > > > > all those dumb ass " me " jews! > > > > No, Adolph was not of that certainty. > > > > To him, jews were " other " , to be eliminated. > > yes, that's more what adolph actually said. > > but hell, let's make up herstory as we go along. > > it's imaginary anyway, eh wot? Sure... it's all been dreamed up to support/maintain the separate self. > > Imagination isn't the problem. > > > > It's the supposed imaginer. > > imagination isn't a problem, when you understand it's imagined. > > - d - Before one can understand imagination is imagined, one must be able to tell the difference between reality and imagination. And people generally can't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:15 PM Re: The pairs of opposites Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:22 PM > Re: The pairs of opposites > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > This is a great perception. Shows a great depth of insight - I am not > > kidding. Very few have gone so far. But in this position you are > > insightfull, wise, a seer, and such thing is not forever. In this > > position > > nothing can touch you, no sorrow, no pain, no conflict. > > Indeed! It's wondrous... freedom itself. > -tim- > > Good....but if your body/mind is healthy...this will go. I forgot the > sanscrit word (samsara....something like that equivalent for heaven, state > of bliss, unicity..) can not last forever. Dont pretend > -geo- nirvana. it doesn't last forever, because it is the " not lasting foreverness, " of everything. it is emptiness, and the emptiness of any sense of emptiness. - d - Yes nirvana! Thanks. :>) -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:15 AM Re: The pairs of opposites Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > drown your sorrows. > > > > > > See them for what they are... imaginary. Sorrows seeing themselves, in > > > an attempt to maintain the " me " who they supposedly occurred to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well then drown the fuckers. > > > > they aren't real. > > > > kill those peaky bastards. > > > > that's what we can do with all undesirable too. > > > > elimimate them. > > Do they go away? > > " Keep coming back, it works! " (NA/AA program) > > Not. > > > what the hell they're not real. > > > > Adolph was of that certainty too. > > > > all those dumb ass " me " jews! > > No, Adolph was not of that certainty. > > To him, jews were " other " , to be eliminated. yes, that's more what adolph actually said. but hell, let's make up herstory as we go along. it's imaginary anyway, eh wot? > Did they go away? > > Sorrows are " other " , to be eliminated. eliminating something makes it more real, it's true. > Do they go away? > > > besides..they were just bad imagination. > > Imagination isn't the problem. > > It's the supposed imaginer. imagination isn't a problem, when you understand it's imagined. - d - The it is seen for what it really is....and there is no imaginer -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:23 AM Re: The pairs of opposites Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > Do they go away? > > > > > besides..they were just bad imagination. > > > > Imagination isn't the problem. > > > > It's the supposed imaginer. > > imagination isn't a problem, when you understand it's imagined. > > - d - If I understand it's imagined, am I now a very cool, enlightened fella without problems? No, this isn't 'enough', as you went into in detail on the Omkaradatta list. Or rather, it's too much ;-). -tim- If there is seeing the imagination there is no image maker. Like imagining a picture that is not there. What hurts is the imagining of entities, or imagining AS entity - which is the same. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:39 AM Re: The pairs of opposites Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > what the hell they're not real. > > > > > > Adolph was of that certainty too. > > > > > > all those dumb ass " me " jews! > > > > No, Adolph was not of that certainty. > > > > To him, jews were " other " , to be eliminated. > > yes, that's more what adolph actually said. > > but hell, let's make up herstory as we go along. > > it's imaginary anyway, eh wot? Sure... it's all been dreamed up to support/maintain the separate self. > > Imagination isn't the problem. > > > > It's the supposed imaginer. > > imagination isn't a problem, when you understand it's imagined. > > - d - Before one can understand imagination is imagined, one must be able to tell the difference between reality and imagination. And people generally can't. -tim- When all is one the imagining is not different from reallity: the reality of its nature as image. There is none to tell the no-difference. But, sir....what people are you talking about? :>) -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > But, sir....what people are you talking about? :>) > -geo- People. Duh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:08 AM Re: The pairs of opposites Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > But, sir....what people are you talking about? :>) > -geo- People. Duh. -tim- What is the context? Please paste something more of phrases...that is too short. As I remember well I was exactly implying how strange that you are talking of " people " , you who says they are not. Not sure though... -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > What is the context? Please paste something more of phrases...that is too > short. As I remember well I was exactly implying how strange that you are > talking of " people " , you who says they are not. Not sure though... > -geo- I don't see any people now. There may or may not be people. If I see people, there's peeplz. But not " other people " . Peephole ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:40 AM Re: The pairs of opposites Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > What is the context? Please paste something more of phrases...that is too > short. As I remember well I was exactly implying how strange that you are > talking of " people " , you who says they are not. Not sure though... > -geo- I don't see any people now. There may or may not be people. If I see people, there's peeplz. But not " other people " . Peephole ;-). -tim- You (in my world) are all-one now perhaps - I can not tell now. That is all. You (in my world) may not be all-one.Where is the problem? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > You (in my world) are all-one now perhaps - I can not tell now. That is all. > You (in my world) may not be all-one.Where is the problem? > -geo- In the question " where is the problem? " . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > drown your sorrows. > > > > > > See them for what they are... imaginary. Sorrows seeing themselves, in an attempt to maintain the " me " who they supposedly occurred to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well then drown the fuckers. > > > > they aren't real. > > > > kill those peaky bastards. > > > > that's what we can do with all undesirable too. > > > > elimimate them. > > Do they go away? > > " Keep coming back, it works! " (NA/AA program) > > Not. > > > what the hell they're not real. > > > > Adolph was of that certainty too. > > > > all those dumb ass " me " jews! > > No, Adolph was not of that certainty. > > To him, jews were " other " , to be eliminated. > > Did they go away? > > Sorrows are " other " , to be eliminated. > > Do they go away? > > > besides..they were just bad imagination. > > Imagination isn't the problem. > > It's the supposed imaginer. you suppose so huh? imagine that! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > you suppose so huh? > > imagine that! .... or don't, and be free of imaginary others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > (damn... I forgot to choose to forget... shit...) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > drown your sorrows. > > > > > > See them for what they are... imaginary. Sorrows seeing themselves, in an attempt to maintain the " me " who they supposedly occurred to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well then drown the fuckers. > > > > they aren't real. > > > > kill those peaky bastards. > > > > that's what we can do with all undesirable too. > > > > elimimate them. > > yeah, elimimate them, mate. > > and *i'm* dyselexic? > > sheesh. > > > what the hell they're not real. > > > > Adolph was of that certainty too. > > > > all those dumb ass " me " jews! > > > > they screw up everything for the " reals " . > > > > and to maintain the " supposed " them would have been too costly. > > > > besides..they were just bad imagination. > > good point. > > yes, nihilism leads to lots of bad shit. > > fuck nihilism. > > - d - all is one. fuck you. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > drown your sorrows. > > > > > > > > See them for what they are... imaginary. Sorrows seeing themselves, in an attempt to maintain the " me " who they supposedly occurred to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well then drown the fuckers. > > > > > > they aren't real. > > > > > > kill those peaky bastards. > > > > > > that's what we can do with all undesirable too. > > > > > > elimimate them. > > > > Do they go away? yes if they are eliminated. not if they are merely elimimated. > > " Keep coming back, it works! " (NA/AA program) > > > > Not. you would know. didn't work for you huh? this explains much of your gibberish. give the groups a try again danny. first admit that you are NOT enlightened. then admitting your alcohol and drug problem will come easily. > > > what the hell they're not real. > > > > > > Adolph was of that certainty too. > > > > > > all those dumb ass " me " jews! > > > > No, Adolph was not of that certainty. yes he was. have you EVER read " mein kampf " ? do you think he was just goofing around? what an asshole loser you are dan. > > > > To him, jews were " other " , to be eliminated. > > yes, that's more what adolph actually said. > > but hell, let's make up herstory as we go along. > > it's imaginary anyway, eh wot? your version is. and sweety.. " herstery " seems fitting from you. yuk yuk! > > Did they go away? > > > > Sorrows are " other " , to be eliminated. > > eliminating something makes it more real, it's true. > > > Do they go away? > > > > > besides..they were just bad imagination. > > > > Imagination isn't the problem. > > > > It's the supposed imaginer. > > imagination isn't a problem, when you understand it's imagined. > > - d - so let me get this straight: there is no imaginer.. imagination is not a problem... but there is a " you " who imagines otherwise..or not. understand this: you are fucked up kid. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > what the hell they're not real. > > > > > > > > Adolph was of that certainty too. > > > > > > > > all those dumb ass " me " jews! > > > > > > No, Adolph was not of that certainty. > > > > > > To him, jews were " other " , to be eliminated. > > > > yes, that's more what adolph actually said. > > > > but hell, let's make up herstory as we go along. > > > > it's imaginary anyway, eh wot? > > Sure... it's all been dreamed up to support/maintain the separate self. > > > > Imagination isn't the problem. > > > > > > It's the supposed imaginer. > > > > imagination isn't a problem, when you understand it's imagined. > > > > - d - > > Before one can understand imagination is imagined, one must be able to tell the difference between reality and imagination. > > And people generally can't. and for one very good reason. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > all is one. > > fuck you. > > .b b.b. Except for him, apparently... he's not part of the One. LOL... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > you would know. > > didn't work for you huh? > > this explains much of your gibberish. > > give the groups a try again danny. > > first admit that you are NOT enlightened. I'm not enlightened. I'm just " not " , period. > then admitting your alcohol and drug problem will come easily. I'm not around to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > Before one can understand imagination is imagined, one must be able to tell the difference between reality and imagination. > > > > And people generally can't. > > > and for one very good reason. > > .b b.b. Eegads... shades of Toombaru. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Wednesday, June 24, 2009 4:07 AM Re: The pairs of opposites Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > You (in my world) are all-one now perhaps - I can not tell now. That is > all. > You (in my world) may not be all-one.Where is the problem? > -geo- In the question " where is the problem? " . -tim- So you dont contest the notion tht one can gauge duality in another as long that that another is in ones world anymore? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
