The pairs of opposites

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The pairs of opposites, mostly verbal, are defined in relation to 'other'.

Therefore, every assertion is its denial, and every denial its assertion.

 

" I'm not saying that, *you* are " means " you're not saying that, *I* am! " .

 

" I don't particularly want to go out and meet anyone " means " I particularly want

to go out and meet someone " .

 

Thought is fundamentally opposed to itself. This contradictory nature can only

be seen, and the movement allowed to subside. There is no escaping or getting

away from it. Such escape attempt is a continuation of the contradictory nature

of thought, and doomed to failure from the start.

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The pairs of opposites, mostly verbal, are defined in relation to 'other'.

Therefore, every assertion is its denial, and every denial its assertion.

 

" I'm not saying that, *you* are " means " you're not saying that, *I* am! " .

 

" I don't particularly want to go out and meet anyone " means " I particularly

want to go out and meet someone " .

 

Thought is fundamentally opposed to itself. This contradictory nature can

only be seen, and the movement allowed to subside. There is no escaping or

getting away from it. Such escape attempt is a continuation of the

contradictory nature of thought, and doomed to failure from the start.

-tim-

 

" I don't particularly want to go out and meet anyone " means " I particularly

want to go out and meet someone " .

Or: there is no people anywhere means there are people everywhere. Otherwise

you are training to become a vegetable.

hmmmm...

-ego-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> " I don't particularly want to go out and meet anyone " means " I particularly

> want to go out and meet someone " .

> Or: there is no people anywhere means there are people everywhere. Otherwise

> you are training to become a vegetable.

> hmmmm...

> -ego-

 

There are people wherever there are people. " People " don't in any way suggest

separate selves. I mean this... in no way whatever are selves suggested by the

presence of human bodies, any more than by the presence of asteroid bodies.

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Tim G.

Nisargadatta

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 6:57 PM

Re: The pairs of opposites

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> " I don't particularly want to go out and meet anyone " means " I

> particularly

> want to go out and meet someone " .

> Or: there is no people anywhere means there are people everywhere.

> Otherwise

> you are training to become a vegetable.

> hmmmm...

> -ego-

 

There are people wherever there are people. " People " don't in any way

suggest separate selves. I mean this... in no way whatever are selves

suggested by the presence of human bodies, any more than by the presence of

asteroid bodies.

-tim tim-

 

This is a great perception. Shows a great depth of insight - I am not

kidding. Very few have gone so far. But in this position you are

insightfull, wise, a seer, and such thing is not forever. In this position

nothing can touch you, no sorrow, no pain, no conflict. But hten it is over

and you carry the idea around like a...i dont know what. It is calle

hipocrisy. You are not in such meditative state always.

-ego-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> This is a great perception. Shows a great depth of insight - I am not

> kidding. Very few have gone so far. But in this position you are

> insightfull, wise, a seer, and such thing is not forever. In this position

> nothing can touch you, no sorrow, no pain, no conflict.

 

Indeed! It's wondrous... freedom itself.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > This is a great perception. Shows a great depth of insight - I am not

> > kidding. Very few have gone so far. But in this position you are

> > insightfull, wise, a seer, and such thing is not forever. In this position

> > nothing can touch you, no sorrow, no pain, no conflict.

>

> Indeed! It's wondrous... freedom itself.

 

 

and you know this because....

 

ROFLMAO!

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > This is a great perception. Shows a great depth of insight - I am not

> > > kidding. Very few have gone so far. But in this position you are

> > > insightfull, wise, a seer, and such thing is not forever. In this position

> > > nothing can touch you, no sorrow, no pain, no conflict.

> >

> > Indeed! It's wondrous... freedom itself.

>

>

> and you know this because....

>

> ROFLMAO!

>

> .b b.b.

 

Because I'm not you, and not me.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > This is a great perception. Shows a great depth of insight - I am not

> > > > kidding. Very few have gone so far. But in this position you are

> > > > insightfull, wise, a seer, and such thing is not forever. In this

position

> > > > nothing can touch you, no sorrow, no pain, no conflict.

> > >

> > > Indeed! It's wondrous... freedom itself.

> >

> >

> > and you know this because....

> >

> > ROFLMAO!

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> Because I'm not you, and not me.

 

 

 

bullshit.

 

cut the crap.

 

you're not holy nor space-like nor " beyond " .

 

you're in whatever hole you're in and you know it.

 

you just want to impress yourself.

 

if 'you " are ever to be free and free of " yourself " ..

 

you've got to first acknowledge that you are " you " .

 

or you can stay lost in dreamland with your pal danny.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

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>

> bullshit.

>

> cut the crap.

>

> you're not holy nor space-like nor " beyond " .

 

Didn't say I was holy, space-like or beyond. I'm not around at all to be holy,

space-like or beyond.

 

> you're in whatever hole you're in and you know it.

 

And not around to be in a hole, either.

 

> you just want to impress yourself.

 

I'm not " over there " to impress myself, and not here to be impressed by

" something over there " .

 

> if 'you " are ever to be free and free of " yourself " ..

>

> you've got to first acknowledge that you are " you " .

 

I acknowledge it. I am " you " .

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-

Tim G.

Nisargadatta

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:22 PM

Re: The pairs of opposites

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> This is a great perception. Shows a great depth of insight - I am not

> kidding. Very few have gone so far. But in this position you are

> insightfull, wise, a seer, and such thing is not forever. In this position

> nothing can touch you, no sorrow, no pain, no conflict.

 

Indeed! It's wondrous... freedom itself.

-tim-

 

Good....but if your body/mind is healthy...this will go. I forgot the

sanscrit word (samsara....something like that equivalent for heaven, state

of bliss, unicity..) can not last forever. Dont pretend

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > bullshit.

> >

> > cut the crap.

> >

> > you're not holy nor space-like nor " beyond " .

>

> Didn't say I was holy, space-like or beyond. I'm not around at all to be

holy, space-like or beyond.

 

 

 

what are you then?

 

you said that you are not you.

 

speak!

 

 

 

 

 

 

> > you're in whatever hole you're in and you know it.

>

> And not around to be in a hole, either.

 

 

 

 

 

oh i see..

 

you're too good for that huh?

 

hahahahaha!

 

 

 

> > you just want to impress yourself.

>

> I'm not " over there " to impress myself, and not here to be impressed by

" something over there " .

 

 

 

 

you are right there.

 

you are not here.

 

you are not other than what you are or where you are.

 

you're deluded to think otherwise.

 

but i do agree with this:

 

you are not impressing anyone anywhere.

 

 

 

 

 

> > if 'you " are ever to be free and free of " yourself " ..

> >

> > you've got to first acknowledge that you are " you " .

>

> I acknowledge it. I am " you " .

 

 

 

Toys R Us huh?

 

typically a child's interest level and ability.

 

grow up and cut the bullshit.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

>

> Toys R Us huh?

>

> typically a child's interest level and ability.

>

> grow up and cut the bullshit.

>

> .b b.b.

 

I like you, a lot, if that's OK.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Toys R Us huh?

> >

> > typically a child's interest level and ability.

> >

> > grow up and cut the bullshit.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> I like you, a lot, if that's OK.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i couldn't care less.

 

but if you feel you need my permission...

 

go fuck yourself.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> Tim G.

> Nisargadatta

> Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:22 PM

> Re: The pairs of opposites

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > This is a great perception. Shows a great depth of insight - I am not

> > kidding. Very few have gone so far. But in this position you are

> > insightfull, wise, a seer, and such thing is not forever. In this position

> > nothing can touch you, no sorrow, no pain, no conflict.

>

> Indeed! It's wondrous... freedom itself.

> -tim-

>

> Good....but if your body/mind is healthy...this will go. I forgot the

> sanscrit word (samsara....something like that equivalent for heaven, state

> of bliss, unicity..) can not last forever. Dont pretend

> -geo-

 

nirvana.

 

it doesn't last forever, because it is the " not lasting foreverness, " of

everything.

 

it is emptiness, and the emptiness of any sense of emptiness.

 

- d -

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

 

> nirvana.

>

> it doesn't last forever, because it is the " not lasting foreverness, " > of

everything.

 

Delicious, Dan-ji. " Whacks off " (mmmmmmm). For some, it may be " Whacks on

(ouch!) " .

 

> it is emptiness, and the emptiness of any sense of emptiness.

 

Mmmmmm.. wax off. Wax on, wax off. Wax on, wax off.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is a great perception. Shows a great depth of insight - I am

not

> > > > > > kidding. Very few have gone so far. But in this position you are

> > > > > > insightfull, wise, a seer, and such thing is not forever. In this

position

> > > > > > nothing can touch you, no sorrow, no pain, no conflict.

> > > > >

> > > > > Indeed! It's wondrous... freedom itself.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > and you know this because....

> > > >

> > > > ROFLMAO!

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > Because I'm not you, and not me.

> >

> >

> >

> > bullshit.

> >

> > cut the crap.

> >

> > you're not holy nor space-like nor " beyond " .

> >

> > you're in whatever hole you're in and you know it.

> >

> > you just want to impress yourself.

> >

> > if 'you " are ever to be free and free of " yourself " ..

> >

> > you've got to first acknowledge that you are " you " .

> >

> > or you can stay lost in dreamland with your pal danny.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> this preachy stuff telling others what they need to do,

>

> after stating repeatedly that they don't exist,

>

> is not crap?

>

>

> - d -

 

Bool Sheet of the purest ray serene. Wax on! Wax on! Wax on, Rob Airy Bus!

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is a great perception. Shows a great depth of insight - I am

not

> > > > > > kidding. Very few have gone so far. But in this position you are

> > > > > > insightfull, wise, a seer, and such thing is not forever. In this

position

> > > > > > nothing can touch you, no sorrow, no pain, no conflict.

> > > > >

> > > > > Indeed! It's wondrous... freedom itself.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > and you know this because....

> > > >

> > > > ROFLMAO!

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > Because I'm not you, and not me.

> >

> >

> >

> > bullshit.

> >

> > cut the crap.

> >

> > you're not holy nor space-like nor " beyond " .

> >

> > you're in whatever hole you're in and you know it.

> >

> > you just want to impress yourself.

> >

> > if 'you " are ever to be free and free of " yourself " ..

> >

> > you've got to first acknowledge that you are " you " .

> >

> > or you can stay lost in dreamland with your pal danny.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> this preachy stuff telling others what they need to do,

>

> after stating repeatedly that they don't exist,

>

> is not crap?

>

>

> - d -

 

 

this " you don't exist " crap is yours kid.

 

this " there are no separate entities " is yours child.

 

this utter bullshit is all in your little head kid.

 

get a job and get real.

 

don't bother me with this crap again.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

>

> this " you don't exist " crap is yours kid.

>

> this " there are no separate entities " is yours child.

>

> this utter bullshit is all in your little head kid.

>

> get a job and get real.

 

What isn't real, can't get real.

 

What isn't something, can't " make something of itself " , through getting a job or

otherwise.

 

What isn't there, can't do anything, no matter how it's admonished to get off

its ass and do something.

 

It can't push itself, it can't force itself, and it can't create itself.

 

Ahh, the dilemma of it all! Wax on, wax on!

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is a great perception. Shows a great depth of insight - I am

not

> > > > > > > kidding. Very few have gone so far. But in this position you are

> > > > > > > insightfull, wise, a seer, and such thing is not forever. In this

position

> > > > > > > nothing can touch you, no sorrow, no pain, no conflict.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Indeed! It's wondrous... freedom itself.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > and you know this because....

> > > > >

> > > > > ROFLMAO!

> > > > >

> > > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > > > Because I'm not you, and not me.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > bullshit.

> > >

> > > cut the crap.

> > >

> > > you're not holy nor space-like nor " beyond " .

> > >

> > > you're in whatever hole you're in and you know it.

> > >

> > > you just want to impress yourself.

> > >

> > > if 'you " are ever to be free and free of " yourself " ..

> > >

> > > you've got to first acknowledge that you are " you " .

> > >

> > > or you can stay lost in dreamland with your pal danny.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> >

> > this preachy stuff telling others what they need to do,

> >

> > after stating repeatedly that they don't exist,

> >

> > is not crap?

> >

> >

> > - d -

>

> Bool Sheet of the purest ray serene. Wax on! Wax on! Wax on, Rob Airy Bus!

 

 

of course that poor attempt at humor isn't " out there " .

 

it's " in here " where you posted it.

 

fewtch on fewtchy!

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> >

> > Bool Sheet of the purest ray serene. Wax on! Wax on! Wax on, Rob Airy

Bus!

>

>

> of course that poor attempt at humor isn't " out there " .

 

It's far out, ya hippie... way OUT THERE. Distant! Like, 'mazing an stuff!

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > this " you don't exist " crap is yours kid.

> >

> > this " there are no separate entities " is yours child.

> >

> > this utter bullshit is all in your little head kid.

> >

> > get a job and get real.

>

> What isn't real, can't get real.

>

> What isn't something, can't " make something of itself " , through getting a job

or otherwise.

>

> What isn't there, can't do anything, no matter how it's admonished to get off

its ass and do something.

>

> It can't push itself, it can't force itself, and it can't create itself.

>

> Ahh, the dilemma of it all! Wax on, wax on!

 

 

there's no dilemma there Timmy.

 

if that's what you think...

 

it's just ordinary stupidity.

 

work on it.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Bool Sheet of the purest ray serene. Wax on! Wax on! Wax on, Rob Airy

Bus!

> >

> >

> > of course that poor attempt at humor isn't " out there " .

>

> It's far out, ya hippie... way OUT THERE. Distant! Like, 'mazing an stuff!

 

 

oooooh...groovy bro!

 

right on man.

 

you fucking nattering nabob of discontent.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> > Ahh, the dilemma of it all! Wax on, wax on!

>

>

> there's no dilemma there Timmy.

>

> if that's what you think...

>

> it's just ordinary stupidity.

 

Only a fool

Like fools before me

I always think with my heart

Only a fool

That same old story

Seems I was born for the part

 

It's a lesson that I've learnt

And a page I should have turned

I shouldn't cry

But I do

Like an ordinary fool

When her ordinary dreams

Fall through

 

How many times

Have I mistaken

Good looks and lies

For bad news?

How many times

Have I mistaken

Love songs and laughs

For the blues?

 

When a road I've walked before

Ends alone at my front door

I shouldn't cry

But I do

Like an ordinary fool

When her ordinary dreams

Fall through

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > > Ahh, the dilemma of it all! Wax on, wax on!

> >

> >

> > there's no dilemma there Timmy.

> >

> > if that's what you think...

> >

> > it's just ordinary stupidity.

>

> Only a fool

> Like fools before me

> I always think with my heart

> Only a fool

> That same old story

> Seems I was born for the part

>

> It's a lesson that I've learnt

> And a page I should have turned

> I shouldn't cry

> But I do

> Like an ordinary fool

> When her ordinary dreams

> Fall through

>

> How many times

> Have I mistaken

> Good looks and lies

> For bad news?

> How many times

> Have I mistaken

> Love songs and laughs

> For the blues?

>

> When a road I've walked before

> Ends alone at my front door

> I shouldn't cry

> But I do

> Like an ordinary fool

> When her ordinary dreams

> Fall through

 

 

are you listening to " Malt Shop Memories " or what the fuck?

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Ahh, the dilemma of it all! Wax on, wax on!

> > >

> > >

> > > there's no dilemma there Timmy.

> > >

> > > if that's what you think...

> > >

> > > it's just ordinary stupidity.

> >

> > Only a fool

> > Like fools before me

> > I always think with my heart

> > Only a fool

> > That same old story

> > Seems I was born for the part

> >

> > It's a lesson that I've learnt

> > And a page I should have turned

> > I shouldn't cry

> > But I do

> > Like an ordinary fool

> > When her ordinary dreams

> > Fall through

> >

> > How many times

> > Have I mistaken

> > Good looks and lies

> > For bad news?

> > How many times

> > Have I mistaken

> > Love songs and laughs

> > For the blues?

> >

> > When a road I've walked before

> > Ends alone at my front door

> > I shouldn't cry

> > But I do

> > Like an ordinary fool

> > When her ordinary dreams

> > Fall through

>

>

> are you listening to " Malt Shop Memories " or what the fuck?

>

> .b b.b.

 

Mmm. Mmm.

 

Memories, light the corners of my mind

Misty watercolor memories of the way we were.

 

Scattered pictures of the smiles we left behind

Smiles we give to one another

For the way we were.

 

Can it be that it was all so simple then

Or has time rewritten every line?

 

If we had the chance to do it all again

Tell me would we? Could we?

 

Memories, may be beautiful and yet

What's too painful to remember

We simply choose to forget!

 

(damn... I forgot to choose to forget... shit...)