Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan_berkow " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am reading and having insight I am able to identify words as > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > conceptual - then there is no belief for geo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is one even aware of oneself while reading? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or is one's mind all " out there " with others, imagining to feel their feelings and think their thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If geo is not having insight he is not able to discern anything > > > > > > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When projecting " others " , " oneself " is out of touch (thus, a sense of relief from oneself). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When projecting " oneself " , " others " are out of touch (thus, loneliness). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See how this works? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only " solution " is to stop investing in the game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allow the whole kit 'n kaboodle to drop away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shit you're starting to get " dan " -infected. > > > > > > > > > > > > look.. > > > > > > > > > > > > you are here. > > > > > > > > > > > > you are a flesh and blood body. > > > > > > > > > > > > you are going to live and die. > > > > > > > > > > > > you will be forgotten. > > > > > > > > > > > > it doesn't matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no Big Secret. > > > > > > > > > > > > this no-self..no-world..no me..no you crap is phony. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's fucking make believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > but believe it if it gets you through the lonely night. > > > > > > > > > > > > but it's a bullshit belief. > > > > > > > > > > > > don't tell dn. > > > > > > > > > > > > he doesn't listen anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > he's the biggest Make Believer of All. > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > living without belief doesn't require existing as a flesh and blood body, or tying not to exist as a flesh and blood body, or existing as something else, or not existing. > > > > > > > > > > it's just without belief. without any of those beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > no explanation. no expectation. > > > > > > > > > > just what is. > > > > > > > > > > period. > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > tell your mother you're not a flesh and blood body. > > > > > > > > she'll hit you on your nonexistent head. > > > > > > > > she didn't go through all that labor for some airy fairy. > > > > > > > > get real dan. > > > > > > > > you should be fucking ashamed of this horseshit. > > > > > > > > what a creep. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > what don't you understand about no belief? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i understand that you don't undertstand.. > > > > that this no belief horseshit.. > > > > is just another second rate belief. > > > > not to worry dan. > > > > you are very average. > > > > > > > > > the " no " or the " belief " ? > > > > > > > > see above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if someone hits me on the head, then that " hitting on the head " is what is at the instant it is. > > > > > > > > > > so then your mother DID hit that numbskull of yours. > > > > things are clearing up for us now. > > > > your not making sense is..well..making sense considering that wallop. > > > > yea mom! > > > > too bad about the kid though. > > > > it didn't help..it made things worse. > > > > > > > there's nothing to affirm or negate. > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > you're no fucking lawyer or politician danny. > > > > you watch too much tv. > > > > ROFLMAO! > > > > .b b.b. > > > gobbledegook. > > is it just me, or are you typing gobbledegook? > > - d - it's you dan. it's what's in place of a body for you. and you don't even know what gobbledygook is. if you did you wouldn't understand it anyway. now think on that a bit dan. i assure you..it's not what you think at all. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Tim G. > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:45 AM > > > > > Re: ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > oh so that's what you boys are playing. > > > > > > > > > > > > no fucking wonder i see you as losers. > > > > > > > > > > You see us as losers, because you see yourself as a loser. > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > HMMmmm....you both are become cleverer each day. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually.. > > > > > > > > i don't know anything. > > > > > > > > i'm proud of that. > > > > > > > > that's what makes me a loser. > > > > > > > > i'm proud of that. > > > > > > > > which makes me a know nothing. > > > > > > > > nothing and anything that's me. > > > > > > > > now Tim..he thinks he's everything. > > > > > > > > well.. > > > > > > > > what can you say? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > you are a loser. > > > > > > the others you've been calling loser are you, the loser. > > > > > > nothing to be proud of. > > > > > > just what is. > > > > > > you didn't make it, and you can't take anything away from it. > > > > > > yes, you know nothing. > > > > > > yes, no bananas today. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > kid.. > > > > this is getting unbelievably boring and stupid. > > > > but one can't believe a no belief unbelievability. > > > > one can only say it's dumb. > > > > you're not the one though daniel. > > > > you're dan but you're ashamed of it. > > > > so..you make believe you are not dan..or dan's body. > > > > you make a piss poor god son. > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > so, now i'm your son? > > when did i go from girlie to sonny? > > - d - your not my son sonny. so instead then i'll call you stupid. is that better? i never called you " girlie " . that's your word. don't try and put it my mouth. but you are girlish in a dumb sort of way. swish! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > Aint this funny?!! All the time claiming nobady is, I am not, you are > > > > not...and then this sooooo interesting exchange. > > > > lol > > > > -egg- > > > > > > you are missing what i've been saying, apparently. > > > > > > > > > > > > i wish i did. > > > > it's stupid. > > > > but no i haven't missed a beat danny. > > > > and your not in time with the band at all. > > > > matter of fact.. > > > > you can't even play at all. > > > > maybe you should consider a change? > > > > but you don't have a choice so fuck it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm not making a claim. > > > > > > > > HORSESHIT! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " no " to which you refer is not a negation of anything. > > > > > > the " no " negates all, and is negated. > > > > > > there is nothing to affirm as existing, and *nothing to affirm as not existing.* > > > > > > any exchange is free to " happen. " > > > > > > all that arises, arises. > > > > > > no exception. > > > > > > awareness is the " how " of arisings, and the " to " and " from. " > > > > > > all arisings. > > > > > > no exceptions. > > > > > > awareness is never divided from awareness. > > > > > > not sure what you don't follow about this. > > > > > > i'm doing my best to spell it out. > > > > > > there aren't rules in this for what should arise or not arise. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > this whole piece above is incredibly stunned. > > > > if graded.. your logic and insight would be seen.. > > > > as nonexistent as you say you are. > > > > you're poor ass attempt at sounding profound.. > > > > makes us giggle. > > > > it's like reading an Elmer Fudd treatise on the REAL BUGS. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > same old, same old. > > - d - same ignorance..same dan...same thing. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > Aint this funny?!! All the time claiming nobady is, I am not, you are > > not...and then this sooooo interesting exchange. > > lol > > -egg- > > you are missing what i've been saying, apparently. He's hearing 'himself' speak. Not missing what you've been saying. Not hearing 'you' at all. One hears oneself. If there's resonation, oneself is heard through another. If not, nothing is 'heard'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > Aint this funny?!! All the time claiming nobady is, I am not, you are > > > not...and then this sooooo interesting exchange. > > > lol > > > -egg- > > > > you are missing what i've been saying, apparently. > > He's hearing 'himself' speak. > > Not missing what you've been saying. Not hearing 'you' at all. > > One hears oneself. If there's resonation, oneself is heard through another. If not, nothing is 'heard'. Yes. That's seen. The one posting, posts to the image of self maintained. Puts up that image through words. Interacts with and through that image. Unless it's not there, which is rare. When not there, no resistance. Awareness/awareness no image between. Words being shared are not a resistance in and of themselves. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > Aint this funny?!! All the time claiming nobady is, I am not, you are > > > > not...and then this sooooo interesting exchange. > > > > lol > > > > -egg- > > > > > > you are missing what i've been saying, apparently. > > > > He's hearing 'himself' speak. > > > > Not missing what you've been saying. Not hearing 'you' at all. > > > > One hears oneself. If there's resonation, oneself is heard through another. If not, nothing is 'heard'. > > Yes. > > That's seen. > > The one posting, posts to the image of self maintained. > > Puts up that image through words. > > Interacts with and through that image. > > Unless it's not there, which is rare. > > When not there, no resistance. > > Awareness/awareness no image between. > > Words being shared are not a resistance in and of themselves. > > - D - well whatever.. you'll get over this when you become less self-involved. this is seen. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Wednesday, June 24, 2009 6:54 PM Re: ? Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > Aint this funny?!! All the time claiming nobady is, I am not, you are > not...and then this sooooo interesting exchange. > lol > -egg- you are missing what i've been saying, apparently. i'm not making a claim. the " no " to which you refer is not a negation of anything. the " no " negates all, and is negated. there is nothing to affirm as existing, and *nothing to affirm as not existing.* any exchange is free to " happen. " all that arises, arises. no exception. awareness is the " how " of arisings, and the " to " and " from. " all arisings. no exceptions. awareness is never divided from awareness. not sure what you don't follow about this. i'm doing my best to spell it out. there aren't rules in this for what should arise or not arise. - d - I was being general - not referring to any particular post - not reading all that. Sp I sont know what " no " is that... -ego- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 25/6/2009 07:10:21 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:52 AM Re: ? Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > He's hearing 'himself' speak. > > > > Not missing what you've been saying. Not hearing 'you' at all. > > > > One hears oneself. If there's resonation, oneself is heard through > > another. If not, nothing is 'heard'. > > Yes. > > That's seen. > > The one posting, posts to the image of self maintained. Or perhaps, to the image of the image of self appearing to the one posting? ;-). > Puts up that image through words. > > Interacts with and through that image. > > Unless it's not there, which is rare. I agree, this seems to be rare. Except that it is not " puts up an image " as if it was being " consciously " objectivated - it is not. The image making program is running. -ego- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 25/6/2009 07:10:29 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:09 AM Re: ? Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > He's hearing 'himself' speak. > > > > > > Not missing what you've been saying. Not hearing 'you' at all. > > > > > > One hears oneself. If there's resonation, oneself is heard through > > > another. If not, nothing is 'heard'. > > > > Yes. > > > > That's seen. > > > > The one posting, posts to the image of self maintained. > > Or perhaps, to the image of the image of self appearing to the one > posting? ;-). > > > Puts up that image through words. > > > > Interacts with and through that image. > > > > Unless it's not there, which is rare. > > I agree, this seems to be rare. It's really quite a miracle that folks manage to talk to each other at all :-p. What folks? The miracle is the folks or the talk? -egg- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 25/6/2009 07:10:29 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:19 AM Re: ? Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > He's hearing 'himself' speak. > > > > > > Not missing what you've been saying. Not hearing 'you' at all. > > > > > > One hears oneself. If there's resonation, oneself is heard through > > > another. If not, nothing is 'heard'. > > > > Yes. > > > > That's seen. > > > > The one posting, posts to the image of self maintained. > > Or perhaps, to the image of the image of self appearing to the one > posting? ;-). > > > Puts up that image through words. > > > > Interacts with and through that image. > > > > Unless it's not there, which is rare. > > I agree, this seems to be rare. P.S. I've noticed the 'gestalt' is very different when interacting with someone 'in person'. It seems when one or the other isn't projecting 'other', the other tends not to as well. This makes sense, as there's no notable time/space separation when interacting face to face. Each is the other. I dont get it. So now there is another? Or perhaps...sometimes? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 25/6/2009 07:10:29 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:09 AM > Re: ? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > He's hearing 'himself' speak. > > > > > > > > Not missing what you've been saying. Not hearing 'you' at all. > > > > > > > > One hears oneself. If there's resonation, oneself is heard through > > > > another. If not, nothing is 'heard'. > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > That's seen. > > > > > > The one posting, posts to the image of self maintained. > > > > Or perhaps, to the image of the image of self appearing to the one > > posting? ;-). > > > > > Puts up that image through words. > > > > > > Interacts with and through that image. > > > > > > Unless it's not there, which is rare. > > > > I agree, this seems to be rare. > > It's really quite a miracle that folks manage to talk to each other at all > :-p. > > What folks? The miracle is the folks or the talk? > -egg- do you believe in miracles? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:09 AM > > Re: ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > He's hearing 'himself' speak. > > > > > > > > > > Not missing what you've been saying. Not hearing 'you' at all. > > > > > > > > > > One hears oneself. If there's resonation, oneself is heard through > > > > > another. If not, nothing is 'heard'. > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > That's seen. > > > > > > > > The one posting, posts to the image of self maintained. > > > > > > Or perhaps, to the image of the image of self appearing to the one > > > posting? ;-). > > > > > > > Puts up that image through words. > > > > > > > > Interacts with and through that image. > > > > > > > > Unless it's not there, which is rare. > > > > > > I agree, this seems to be rare. > > > > It's really quite a miracle that folks manage to talk to each other at all > > :-p. > > > > What folks? The miracle is the folks or the talk? > > -egg- > > > > do you believe in miracles? > > .b b.b. the only miracle is belief. it's unbelievable. that's the miracle part. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > the only miracle is belief. > > it's unbelievable. > > that's the miracle part. > > .b b.b. Nobody ever held a belief. " Belief " is just trying to hold on, instead of letting go. The main holding/belief is " myself " , " me " , " I " , and it can be let go of anytime. Nothing changes, except all the stress goes away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:19 AM Re: ? Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > He's hearing 'himself' speak. > > > > > > Not missing what you've been saying. Not hearing 'you' at all. > > > > > > One hears oneself. If there's resonation, oneself is heard through > > > another. If not, nothing is 'heard'. > > > > Yes. > > > > That's seen. > > > > The one posting, posts to the image of self maintained. > > Or perhaps, to the image of the image of self appearing to the one > posting? ;-). > > > Puts up that image through words. > > > > Interacts with and through that image. > > > > Unless it's not there, which is rare. > > I agree, this seems to be rare. P.S. I've noticed the 'gestalt' is very different when interacting with someone 'in person'. It seems when one or the other isn't projecting 'other', the other tends not to as well. This makes sense, as there's no notable time/space separation when interacting face to face. Each is the other. -tim- Is there not a contradiction withe above and the claim that " makes no sense to gauge non-dulaity in another " ? -egg- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 25/6/2009 07:10:29 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:05 AM Re: ? Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:09 AM > Re: ? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > He's hearing 'himself' speak. > > > > > > > > Not missing what you've been saying. Not hearing 'you' at all. > > > > > > > > One hears oneself. If there's resonation, oneself is heard through > > > > another. If not, nothing is 'heard'. > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > That's seen. > > > > > > The one posting, posts to the image of self maintained. > > > > Or perhaps, to the image of the image of self appearing to the one > > posting? ;-). > > > > > Puts up that image through words. > > > > > > Interacts with and through that image. > > > > > > Unless it's not there, which is rare. > > > > I agree, this seems to be rare. > > It's really quite a miracle that folks manage to talk to each other at all > :-p. > > What folks? The miracle is the folks or the talk? > -egg- do you believe in miracles? ..b b.b. Do you believe in sun-sets? -egg- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 25/6/2009 08:14:45 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:19 AM > Re: ? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > He's hearing 'himself' speak. > > > > > > > > Not missing what you've been saying. Not hearing 'you' at all. > > > > > > > > One hears oneself. If there's resonation, oneself is heard through > > > > another. If not, nothing is 'heard'. > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > That's seen. > > > > > > The one posting, posts to the image of self maintained. > > > > Or perhaps, to the image of the image of self appearing to the one > > posting? ;-). > > > > > Puts up that image through words. > > > > > > Interacts with and through that image. > > > > > > Unless it's not there, which is rare. > > > > I agree, this seems to be rare. > > P.S. I've noticed the 'gestalt' is very different when interacting with > someone 'in person'. It seems when one or the other isn't projecting > 'other', the other tends not to as well. This makes sense, as there's no > notable time/space separation when interacting face to face. Each is the > other. > -tim- > > Is there not a contradiction withe above and the claim that " makes no sense > to gauge non-dulaity in another " ? > -egg- " Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am vast, I contain multitudes. " -- Walt Whitman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:00 AM Re: ? Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:19 AM > Re: ? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > He's hearing 'himself' speak. > > > > > > > > Not missing what you've been saying. Not hearing 'you' at all. > > > > > > > > One hears oneself. If there's resonation, oneself is heard through > > > > another. If not, nothing is 'heard'. > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > That's seen. > > > > > > The one posting, posts to the image of self maintained. > > > > Or perhaps, to the image of the image of self appearing to the one > > posting? ;-). > > > > > Puts up that image through words. > > > > > > Interacts with and through that image. > > > > > > Unless it's not there, which is rare. > > > > I agree, this seems to be rare. > > P.S. I've noticed the 'gestalt' is very different when interacting with > someone 'in person'. It seems when one or the other isn't projecting > 'other', the other tends not to as well. This makes sense, as there's no > notable time/space separation when interacting face to face. Each is the > other. > -tim- > > Is there not a contradiction withe above and the claim that " makes no > sense > to gauge non-dulaity in another " ? > -egg- " Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am vast, I contain multitudes. " -- Walt Whitman-- Yes, but you are still paraphrazing. Does tim accept the fact that he contradicts himself? -egg- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 25/6/2009 09:09:44 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > the only miracle is belief. > > > > it's unbelievable. > > > > that's the miracle part. > > > > .b b.b. > > Nobody ever held a belief. " Belief " is just trying to hold on, instead of letting go. > > The main holding/belief is " myself " , " me " , " I " , and it can be let go of anytime. Nothing changes, except all the stress goes away. let go of the belief that i said.. anything about " holding " beliefs. i talked only about the belief system itself. and who do you suppose can let that go? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:05 AM > Re: ? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:09 AM > > Re: ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > He's hearing 'himself' speak. > > > > > > > > > > Not missing what you've been saying. Not hearing 'you' at all. > > > > > > > > > > One hears oneself. If there's resonation, oneself is heard through > > > > > another. If not, nothing is 'heard'. > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > That's seen. > > > > > > > > The one posting, posts to the image of self maintained. > > > > > > Or perhaps, to the image of the image of self appearing to the one > > > posting? ;-). > > > > > > > Puts up that image through words. > > > > > > > > Interacts with and through that image. > > > > > > > > Unless it's not there, which is rare. > > > > > > I agree, this seems to be rare. > > > > It's really quite a miracle that folks manage to talk to each other at all > > :-p. > > > > What folks? The miracle is the folks or the talk? > > -egg- > > do you believe in miracles? > > .b b.b. > > Do you believe in sun-sets? > -egg- no. the sun never sets. the earth turns 'round and 'round. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:19 AM > > Re: ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > He's hearing 'himself' speak. > > > > > > > > > > Not missing what you've been saying. Not hearing 'you' at all. > > > > > > > > > > One hears oneself. If there's resonation, oneself is heard through > > > > > another. If not, nothing is 'heard'. > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > That's seen. > > > > > > > > The one posting, posts to the image of self maintained. > > > > > > Or perhaps, to the image of the image of self appearing to the one > > > posting? ;-). > > > > > > > Puts up that image through words. > > > > > > > > Interacts with and through that image. > > > > > > > > Unless it's not there, which is rare. > > > > > > I agree, this seems to be rare. > > > > P.S. I've noticed the 'gestalt' is very different when interacting with > > someone 'in person'. It seems when one or the other isn't projecting > > 'other', the other tends not to as well. This makes sense, as there's no > > notable time/space separation when interacting face to face. Each is the > > other. > > -tim- > > > > Is there not a contradiction withe above and the claim that " makes no sense > > to gauge non-dulaity in another " ? > > -egg- > > " Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am vast, I contain multitudes. " -- Walt Whitman " when caught in a quagmire...quote others " -- b b.b. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:54 AM Re: ? Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:05 AM > Re: ? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:09 AM > > Re: ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > He's hearing 'himself' speak. > > > > > > > > > > Not missing what you've been saying. Not hearing 'you' at all. > > > > > > > > > > One hears oneself. If there's resonation, oneself is heard through > > > > > another. If not, nothing is 'heard'. > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > That's seen. > > > > > > > > The one posting, posts to the image of self maintained. > > > > > > Or perhaps, to the image of the image of self appearing to the one > > > posting? ;-). > > > > > > > Puts up that image through words. > > > > > > > > Interacts with and through that image. > > > > > > > > Unless it's not there, which is rare. > > > > > > I agree, this seems to be rare. > > > > It's really quite a miracle that folks manage to talk to each other at > > all > > :-p. > > > > What folks? The miracle is the folks or the talk? > > -egg- > > do you believe in miracles? > > .b b.b. > > Do you believe in sun-sets? > -egg- no. the sun never sets. the earth turns 'round and 'round. ..b b.b. Ha...true. Silly folks sit in beaches looking at a sunset that is not. Do you believe then that the earth turns? -gge- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 25/6/2009 10:00:08 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:54 AM > Re: ? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:05 AM > > Re: ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Tim G. > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:09 AM > > > Re: ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > He's hearing 'himself' speak. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not missing what you've been saying. Not hearing 'you' at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > One hears oneself. If there's resonation, oneself is heard through > > > > > > another. If not, nothing is 'heard'. > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > That's seen. > > > > > > > > > > The one posting, posts to the image of self maintained. > > > > > > > > Or perhaps, to the image of the image of self appearing to the one > > > > posting? ;-). > > > > > > > > > Puts up that image through words. > > > > > > > > > > Interacts with and through that image. > > > > > > > > > > Unless it's not there, which is rare. > > > > > > > > I agree, this seems to be rare. > > > > > > It's really quite a miracle that folks manage to talk to each other at > > > all > > > :-p. > > > > > > What folks? The miracle is the folks or the talk? > > > -egg- > > > > do you believe in miracles? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Do you believe in sun-sets? > > -egg- > > no. > > the sun never sets. > > the earth turns 'round and 'round. > > .b b.b. > > Ha...true. Silly folks sit in beaches looking at a sunset that is not. Do > you believe then that the earth turns? > -gge- don't you think photographic evidence from space.. sot of eliminates the need for " belief " ? or do you NOT believe there really is a space program? or maybe there is no space? well if that's true.. there' no room for an earth turning or standing still. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:00 AM Re: ? Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:19 AM > Re: ? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > He's hearing 'himself' speak. > > > > > > > > Not missing what you've been saying. Not hearing 'you' at all. > > > > > > > > One hears oneself. If there's resonation, oneself is heard through > > > > another. If not, nothing is 'heard'. > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > That's seen. > > > > > > The one posting, posts to the image of self maintained. > > > > Or perhaps, to the image of the image of self appearing to the one > > posting? ;-). > > > > > Puts up that image through words. > > > > > > Interacts with and through that image. > > > > > > Unless it's not there, which is rare. > > > > I agree, this seems to be rare. > > P.S. I've noticed the 'gestalt' is very different when interacting with > someone 'in person'. It seems when one or the other isn't projecting > 'other', the other tends not to as well. This makes sense, as there's no > notable time/space separation when interacting face to face. Each is the > other. > -tim- > > Is there not a contradiction withe above and the claim that " makes no > sense > to gauge non-dulaity in another " ? > -egg- " Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am vast, I contain multitudes. " -- Walt Whitman- -tim- You ask geo to be himself while you are Walt. -ego- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 25/6/2009 09:09:44 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:20 AM Re: ? Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:54 AM > Re: ? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:05 AM > > Re: ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Tim G. > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:09 AM > > > Re: ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > He's hearing 'himself' speak. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not missing what you've been saying. Not hearing 'you' at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > One hears oneself. If there's resonation, oneself is heard > > > > > > through > > > > > > another. If not, nothing is 'heard'. > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > That's seen. > > > > > > > > > > The one posting, posts to the image of self maintained. > > > > > > > > Or perhaps, to the image of the image of self appearing to the one > > > > posting? ;-). > > > > > > > > > Puts up that image through words. > > > > > > > > > > Interacts with and through that image. > > > > > > > > > > Unless it's not there, which is rare. > > > > > > > > I agree, this seems to be rare. > > > > > > It's really quite a miracle that folks manage to talk to each other at > > > all > > > :-p. > > > > > > What folks? The miracle is the folks or the talk? > > > -egg- > > > > do you believe in miracles? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Do you believe in sun-sets? > > -egg- > > no. > > the sun never sets. > > the earth turns 'round and 'round. > > .b b.b. > > Ha...true. Silly folks sit in beaches looking at a sunset that is not. Do > you believe then that the earth turns? > -gge- don't you think photographic evidence from space.. sot of eliminates the need for " belief " ? or do you NOT believe there really is a space program? or maybe there is no space? well if that's true.. there' no room for an earth turning or standing still. ..b b.b. Your getting tired also...take a rest. We where talking about the absurdity fo belief - remember? Of course the earth turns. Centrifugue force proves it. -egg- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 25/6/2009 10:25:21 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:20 AM > Re: ? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:54 AM > > Re: ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:05 AM > > > Re: ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Tim G. > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:09 AM > > > > Re: ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > He's hearing 'himself' speak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not missing what you've been saying. Not hearing 'you' at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One hears oneself. If there's resonation, oneself is heard > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > another. If not, nothing is 'heard'. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > That's seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > The one posting, posts to the image of self maintained. > > > > > > > > > > Or perhaps, to the image of the image of self appearing to the one > > > > > posting? ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > Puts up that image through words. > > > > > > > > > > > > Interacts with and through that image. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless it's not there, which is rare. > > > > > > > > > > I agree, this seems to be rare. > > > > > > > > It's really quite a miracle that folks manage to talk to each other at > > > > all > > > > :-p. > > > > > > > > What folks? The miracle is the folks or the talk? > > > > -egg- > > > > > > do you believe in miracles? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Do you believe in sun-sets? > > > -egg- > > > > no. > > > > the sun never sets. > > > > the earth turns 'round and 'round. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Ha...true. Silly folks sit in beaches looking at a sunset that is not. Do > > you believe then that the earth turns? > > -gge- > > don't you think photographic evidence from space.. > > sot of eliminates the need for " belief " ? > > or do you NOT believe there really is a space program? > > or maybe there is no space? > > well if that's true.. > > there' no room for an earth turning or standing still. > > .b b.b. > > Your getting tired also...take a rest. > We where talking about the absurdity fo belief - remember? > Of course the earth turns. Centrifugue force proves it. > -egg- that's fucking absurd! you asked if i believed the earth turns. then you answer your own stupid question. don't ask henceforth. i think YOU need a fucking rest. ..b b.b Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
