Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Thursday, June 11, 2009 2:42 AM > > > > > Re: Silence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it more appropriate > > > > > > > > > to the seeker's search to > > > > > > > > > escape from the trappings > > > > > > > > > of concept, not seek them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: What does a seeker without concepts > > > > > > > > seek? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > J: silence > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Haha! Silence seems to make seekers > > > > > > talk nonstop about finding silence. What > > > > > > do you say, Tim and the Supremes? > > > > > > > > > > D: Any silence that can be broken by words > > > > > > > > > > is not much of a silence > > > > > > > > > > I hear this silence when crossing the street and cars are honking > > > > > > > > > > or when someone is yelling that their dog ran into the woods > > > > > > > > > > or when I have to speak to someone who made a billing mistake > > > > > > > > > > and it is going to be broken by words posted on a computer screen? > > > > > === > > > > > There is a silence not realated to hearing at all. > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > it doesn't require an ear > > > > > > > > that is why people who hear with their ears miss it > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > that's because there are no such things as people with ears to hear. > > > > > > when the ears can hear there are no more people pusses. > > > > > > pluck your magic twanger froggy. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > fuck your mangled tragic porgy. > > > > - d - > > > better. > > keep working on it kid. > > .b b.b. at last bob is entertained by something he reads. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: There you go again, talking about silence. > > > > > > There is a silence which is total absence of > > > > > > any mental activity, including understanding, > > > > > > or knowing that silence. No one can type > > > > > > without understanding, although, Tim and the > > > > > > Supremes come close, still no cigar. > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> A silence that is " disturbed " by mental activity is a conceptual > > > > > > silence. > > > > > > > > > > P: What part of STFU, you don't understand? > > > > > > > > The part where it's not I that shuts the fuck up. > > > > > > > > Shutting the fuck up just happens, or it doesn't. > > > > > > > > It's not a matter of someone telling someone else, who then STFU. > > > > > > > > Buddha called it 'nirvana,' cessation. > > > > > > > > Jesus said, 'many are called by silence, but few STFU.' > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > didn't they know how to STFU? > > > > > > why listen then? > > > > > > STFU. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > I'm listening. > > > > So STFU. > > > > - d - > > > what you put out comes back. > > in spades. > > what goes round comes round. > > what's ignorant remains so. > > no matter how you STFU. > > you're breathing proof. > > psss. > > ah danny... > > " we " are not real. > > STFU means nothing to nothing. > > if there is " someone " to STFU or not.. > > the entire thread of the Great Conversation is torn. > > stay muted and stupid. > > a different way of no path or direction.. > > turns away from your arrow of time. > > you will never know. > > .b b.b. no kidding. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > yes. > > > > there is a silence that is enforced on the brain by pushing away activity for a while. > > > > that is a superficial silence, a concept-oriented silence, and requires an action (to control thought). > > > > the deeper silence is not of the brain. > > > > it is not the absence of brain activity. > > > > it involves no action and has nothing to do with controlling anything. > > > > it is not a matter of having something not happening (such as thought, or experience, or a body-mind). > > > > it is true inaction. > > > > not the temporary absence of something. > > > > the void which is of infinite colors. > > > > - d - > > P: You kick words around well, but only > dust flies around. All them abstract terms > are just fancy jibe. > > To me, it's like this, words do nothing but to prompt > one to search. It's just as if someone said to a blind > person, " search this room and you'll find the most > wonderful thing. " > > The person searches for years and finds the room is > empty, but it also finds that the search has changed > his/her brain, and that the changed brain, and the > empty room turned out to be the most " wonderful thing. " One stands alone. This void, oneself, experience, life, death - indivisible. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 > > > > P: You kick words around well, but only > > dust flies around. All them abstract terms > > are just fancy jibe. > > > > To me, it's like this, words do nothing but to prompt > > one to search. It's just as if someone said to a blind > > person, " search this room and you'll find the most > > wonderful thing. " > > > > The person searches for years and finds the room is > > empty, but it also finds that the search has changed > > his/her brain, and that the changed brain, and the > > empty room turned out to be the most " wonderful thing. " > > One stands alone. > > This void, oneself, experience, life, death - indivisible. > > - D - P: All of the above are sensations. Even the sensation of no sensation is a sensation. Words like the force lines of a magnet curve inside and point only to the brain. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Thursday, June 11, 2009 2:42 AM > > > > > > Re: Silence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it more appropriate > > > > > > > > > > to the seeker's search to > > > > > > > > > > escape from the trappings > > > > > > > > > > of concept, not seek them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: What does a seeker without concepts > > > > > > > > > seek? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > J: silence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Haha! Silence seems to make seekers > > > > > > > talk nonstop about finding silence. What > > > > > > > do you say, Tim and the Supremes? > > > > > > > > > > > > D: Any silence that can be broken by words > > > > > > > > > > > > is not much of a silence > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear this silence when crossing the street and cars are honking > > > > > > > > > > > > or when someone is yelling that their dog ran into the woods > > > > > > > > > > > > or when I have to speak to someone who made a billing mistake > > > > > > > > > > > > and it is going to be broken by words posted on a computer screen? > > > > > > === > > > > > > There is a silence not realated to hearing at all. > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > it doesn't require an ear > > > > > > > > > > that is why people who hear with their ears miss it > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > that's because there are no such things as people with ears to hear. > > > > > > > > when the ears can hear there are no more people pusses. > > > > > > > > pluck your magic twanger froggy. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > fuck your mangled tragic porgy. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > better. > > > > keep working on it kid. > > > > .b b.b. > > at last bob is entertained by something he reads. > > - d - gee dan no.. you've been missing out. i have found everything you have thus far posted entertaining. including the above. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: There you go again, talking about silence. > > > > > > > There is a silence which is total absence of > > > > > > > any mental activity, including understanding, > > > > > > > or knowing that silence. No one can type > > > > > > > without understanding, although, Tim and the > > > > > > > Supremes come close, still no cigar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> A silence that is " disturbed " by mental activity is a conceptual > > > > > > > silence. > > > > > > > > > > > > P: What part of STFU, you don't understand? > > > > > > > > > > The part where it's not I that shuts the fuck up. > > > > > > > > > > Shutting the fuck up just happens, or it doesn't. > > > > > > > > > > It's not a matter of someone telling someone else, who then STFU. > > > > > > > > > > Buddha called it 'nirvana,' cessation. > > > > > > > > > > Jesus said, 'many are called by silence, but few STFU.' > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't they know how to STFU? > > > > > > > > why listen then? > > > > > > > > STFU. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > I'm listening. > > > > > > So STFU. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > what you put out comes back. > > > > in spades. > > > > what goes round comes round. > > > > what's ignorant remains so. > > > > no matter how you STFU. > > > > you're breathing proof. > > > > psss. > > > > ah danny... > > > > " we " are not real. > > > > STFU means nothing to nothing. > > > > if there is " someone " to STFU or not.. > > > > the entire thread of the Great Conversation is torn. > > > > stay muted and stupid. > > > > a different way of no path or direction.. > > > > turns away from your arrow of time. > > > > you will never know. > > > > .b b.b. > > no kidding. > > - d - absolutely yes kidding. for fuck sake you take yourself too seriously. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > P: You kick words around well, but only > > > dust flies around. All them abstract terms > > > are just fancy jibe. > > > > > > To me, it's like this, words do nothing but to prompt > > > one to search. It's just as if someone said to a blind > > > person, " search this room and you'll find the most > > > wonderful thing. " > > > > > > The person searches for years and finds the room is > > > empty, but it also finds that the search has changed > > > his/her brain, and that the changed brain, and the > > > empty room turned out to be the most " wonderful thing. " > > > > One stands alone. > > > > This void, oneself, experience, life, death - indivisible. > > > > - D - > > P: All of the above are sensations. Even the > sensation of no sensation is a sensation. Words > like the force lines of a magnet curve inside and point > only to the brain. D: There isn't something being pointed to. The pointing is empty of an object. The no-word isn't somewhere else, apart from words. Nor is the no-word in any of the words. There isn't anything special about the word " brain, " or any other word. To think something is being pointed to, is imagining something that isn't there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 > D: To think something is being pointed to, is imagining > something that isn't there. P: So what have you been carrying on about all these days? > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > D: To think something is being pointed to, is imagining > > something that isn't there. > > P: So what have you been carrying on about all these days? > > > this is of course because he is not a who or a you. he is the Silence from which emerges.. that loudmouthed preachy illusion named dan. it is not he who carries on..who shouts..who is a pompous ass.. he just allows it to happen as 'dan " . to not see that when you speak of him you speak of god.. is illusion and every other person on earth but " dan " .. is deluded onto thinking that " dan " (screamer..whiner..preacher).. is the REAL DAN. only when I AM EMPTY as " DAN " ....IS... can I know peace and plenty. and this can only be appreciated in Silence without words.. or without no-words.. without people who argue with my ideal.. my oh my what a wonderful day! see..he knew what he was telling you all about. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Monday, June 15, 2009 12:01 AM Re: Silence Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > P: You kick words around well, but only > > > dust flies around. All them abstract terms > > > are just fancy jibe. > > > > > > To me, it's like this, words do nothing but to prompt > > > one to search. It's just as if someone said to a blind > > > person, " search this room and you'll find the most > > > wonderful thing. " > > > > > > The person searches for years and finds the room is > > > empty, but it also finds that the search has changed > > > his/her brain, and that the changed brain, and the > > > empty room turned out to be the most " wonderful thing. " > > > > One stands alone. > > > > This void, oneself, experience, life, death - indivisible. > > > > - D - > > P: All of the above are sensations. Even the > sensation of no sensation is a sensation. Words > like the force lines of a magnet curve inside and point > only to the brain. D: There isn't something being pointed to. The pointing is empty of an object. The no-word isn't somewhere else, apart from words. Nor is the no-word in any of the words. There isn't anything special about the word " brain, " or any other word. To think something is being pointed to, is imagining something that isn't there. G: After all " brain " is just an image in a brain. P thinks there is some real brain somewhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > G: After all " brain " is just an image in a brain. P thinks there is some > real brain somewhere. P: Well, reading what you guys write I'm beginning to doubt, you guys have brains. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > D: To think something is being pointed to, is imagining > > something that isn't there. > > P: So what have you been carrying on about all these days? > > D: I have no idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:01 AM > Re: Silence > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > P: You kick words around well, but only > > > > dust flies around. All them abstract terms > > > > are just fancy jibe. > > > > > > > > To me, it's like this, words do nothing but to prompt > > > > one to search. It's just as if someone said to a blind > > > > person, " search this room and you'll find the most > > > > wonderful thing. " > > > > > > > > The person searches for years and finds the room is > > > > empty, but it also finds that the search has changed > > > > his/her brain, and that the changed brain, and the > > > > empty room turned out to be the most " wonderful thing. " > > > > > > One stands alone. > > > > > > This void, oneself, experience, life, death - indivisible. > > > > > > - D - > > > > P: All of the above are sensations. Even the > > sensation of no sensation is a sensation. Words > > like the force lines of a magnet curve inside and point > > only to the brain. > > D: There isn't something being pointed to. > The pointing is empty of an object. > The no-word isn't somewhere else, apart from words. > Nor is the no-word in any of the words. > There isn't anything special about the word " brain, " or > any other word. > To think something is being pointed to, is imagining > something that isn't there. > > G: After all " brain " is just an image in a brain. P thinks there is some > real brain somewhere. D: Yes. " Brain " is an image in a brain, ad infinitum. Memory is an image in a memory, ad infinitum. The endless hall of mirrors, dissolves. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 > G: After all " brain " is just an image in a brain. P thinks there is some > real brain somewhere. P: Well, reading what you guys write I'm beginning to doubt, you guys have brains. g> So you think all is gathered in a brain except the brain itself? avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 15/6/2009 12:44:53 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > G: After all " brain " is just an image in a brain. P thinks there is some > > real brain somewhere. > > P: Well, reading what you guys write > I'm beginning to doubt, you guys have > brains. > > g> So you think all is gathered in a brain except the brain itself? a rolling all gathers no brains. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 > > > > P: You kick words around well, but only > > > > dust flies around. All them abstract terms > > > > are just fancy jibe. > > > > > > > > To me, it's like this, words do nothing but to prompt > > > > one to search. It's just as if someone said to a blind > > > > person, " search this room and you'll find the most > > > > wonderful thing. " > > > > > > > > The person searches for years and finds the room is > > > > empty, but it also finds that the search has changed > > > > his/her brain, and that the changed brain, and the > > > > empty room turned out to be the most " wonderful thing. " > > > > > > One stands alone. > > > > > > This void, oneself, experience, life, death - indivisible. > > > > > > - D - > > > > P: All of the above are sensations. Even the > > sensation of no sensation is a sensation. Words > > like the force lines of a magnet curve inside and point > > only to the brain. > > D: There isn't something being pointed to. > The pointing is empty of an object. > The no-word isn't somewhere else, apart from words. > Nor is the no-word in any of the words. > There isn't anything special about the word " brain, " or > any other word. > To think something is being pointed to, is imagining > something that isn't there. > > G: After all " brain " is just an image in a brain. P thinks there is some > real brain somewhere. D: Yes. " Brain " is an image in a brain, ad infinitum. Memory is an image in a memory, ad infinitum. The endless hall of mirrors, dissolves. - D - Consciousness as a ME is gone. This world as empty waves remain till the body falls off. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 15/6/2009 12:51:09 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > P: You kick words around well, but only > > > > > dust flies around. All them abstract terms > > > > > are just fancy jibe. > > > > > > > > > > To me, it's like this, words do nothing but to prompt > > > > > one to search. It's just as if someone said to a blind > > > > > person, " search this room and you'll find the most > > > > > wonderful thing. " > > > > > > > > > > The person searches for years and finds the room is > > > > > empty, but it also finds that the search has changed > > > > > his/her brain, and that the changed brain, and the > > > > > empty room turned out to be the most " wonderful thing. " > > > > > > > > One stands alone. > > > > > > > > This void, oneself, experience, life, death - indivisible. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > P: All of the above are sensations. Even the > > > sensation of no sensation is a sensation. Words > > > like the force lines of a magnet curve inside and point > > > only to the brain. > > > > D: There isn't something being pointed to. > > The pointing is empty of an object. > > The no-word isn't somewhere else, apart from words. > > Nor is the no-word in any of the words. > > There isn't anything special about the word " brain, " or > > any other word. > > To think something is being pointed to, is imagining > > something that isn't there. > > > > G: After all " brain " is just an image in a brain. P thinks there is some > > real brain somewhere. > > D: Yes. > > " Brain " is an image in a brain, ad infinitum. > > Memory is an image in a memory, ad infinitum. > > The endless hall of mirrors, dissolves. > > - D - > > Consciousness as a ME is gone. This world as empty waves remain till the > body falls off. > -geo- you know it's funny.. the federal government.. the banks and the insurance companies.. well i guess those are the federal government now too.. well.. the federal government and the car companies.. oops.. scratch that.. that's Government Motors now as well.. well anyway.. the federal government when it comes time for me: to pay my taxes... my mortgage..my insurance..my car loan.. they don't buy this: " Consciousness as a ME is gone " stuff. i think if i acted on that assumption.. that the body could drop off pretty quick. probably a good thing for the surplus population. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > P: You kick words around well, but only > > > > > dust flies around. All them abstract terms > > > > > are just fancy jibe. > > > > > > > > > > To me, it's like this, words do nothing but to prompt > > > > > one to search. It's just as if someone said to a blind > > > > > person, " search this room and you'll find the most > > > > > wonderful thing. " > > > > > > > > > > The person searches for years and finds the room is > > > > > empty, but it also finds that the search has changed > > > > > his/her brain, and that the changed brain, and the > > > > > empty room turned out to be the most " wonderful thing. " > > > > > > > > One stands alone. > > > > > > > > This void, oneself, experience, life, death - indivisible. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > P: All of the above are sensations. Even the > > > sensation of no sensation is a sensation. Words > > > like the force lines of a magnet curve inside and point > > > only to the brain. > > > > D: There isn't something being pointed to. > > The pointing is empty of an object. > > The no-word isn't somewhere else, apart from words. > > Nor is the no-word in any of the words. > > There isn't anything special about the word " brain, " or > > any other word. > > To think something is being pointed to, is imagining > > something that isn't there. > > > > G: After all " brain " is just an image in a brain. P thinks there is some > > real brain somewhere. > > D: Yes. > > " Brain " is an image in a brain, ad infinitum. > > Memory is an image in a memory, ad infinitum. > > The endless hall of mirrors, dissolves. > > - D - > > Consciousness as a ME is gone. This world as empty waves remain till the > body falls off. > -geo- You are predicting that the body falls off, and this world as empty waves goes with it. Is this a projection of the future which is made based on thought, or is it a statement based on no-thing, from and of which present experience (as the body-mind waving) arises now? - dan - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > P: You kick words around well, but only > > > > > > dust flies around. All them abstract terms > > > > > > are just fancy jibe. > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, it's like this, words do nothing but to prompt > > > > > > one to search. It's just as if someone said to a blind > > > > > > person, " search this room and you'll find the most > > > > > > wonderful thing. " > > > > > > > > > > > > The person searches for years and finds the room is > > > > > > empty, but it also finds that the search has changed > > > > > > his/her brain, and that the changed brain, and the > > > > > > empty room turned out to be the most " wonderful thing. " > > > > > > > > > > One stands alone. > > > > > > > > > > This void, oneself, experience, life, death - indivisible. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > P: All of the above are sensations. Even the > > > > sensation of no sensation is a sensation. Words > > > > like the force lines of a magnet curve inside and point > > > > only to the brain. > > > > > > D: There isn't something being pointed to. > > > The pointing is empty of an object. > > > The no-word isn't somewhere else, apart from words. > > > Nor is the no-word in any of the words. > > > There isn't anything special about the word " brain, " or > > > any other word. > > > To think something is being pointed to, is imagining > > > something that isn't there. > > > > > > G: After all " brain " is just an image in a brain. P thinks there is some > > > real brain somewhere. > > > > D: Yes. > > > > " Brain " is an image in a brain, ad infinitum. > > > > Memory is an image in a memory, ad infinitum. > > > > The endless hall of mirrors, dissolves. > > > > - D - > > > > Consciousness as a ME is gone. This world as empty waves remain till the > > body falls off. > > -geo- > > > > you know it's funny.. > > the federal government.. > > the banks and the insurance companies.. > > well i guess those are the federal government now too.. > > well.. > > the federal government and the car companies.. > > oops.. > > scratch that.. > > that's Government Motors now as well.. > > well anyway.. > > the federal government when it comes time for me: > > to pay my taxes... my mortgage..my insurance..my car loan.. > > they don't buy this: > > " Consciousness as a ME is gone " stuff. > > i think if i acted on that assumption.. > > that the body could drop off pretty quick. > > probably a good thing for the surplus population. > > .b b.b. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. And render unto Bellagio that which is Bellagio's. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > P: You kick words around well, but only > > > > > > > dust flies around. All them abstract terms > > > > > > > are just fancy jibe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, it's like this, words do nothing but to prompt > > > > > > > one to search. It's just as if someone said to a blind > > > > > > > person, " search this room and you'll find the most > > > > > > > wonderful thing. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The person searches for years and finds the room is > > > > > > > empty, but it also finds that the search has changed > > > > > > > his/her brain, and that the changed brain, and the > > > > > > > empty room turned out to be the most " wonderful thing. " > > > > > > > > > > > > One stands alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > This void, oneself, experience, life, death - indivisible. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > P: All of the above are sensations. Even the > > > > > sensation of no sensation is a sensation. Words > > > > > like the force lines of a magnet curve inside and point > > > > > only to the brain. > > > > > > > > D: There isn't something being pointed to. > > > > The pointing is empty of an object. > > > > The no-word isn't somewhere else, apart from words. > > > > Nor is the no-word in any of the words. > > > > There isn't anything special about the word " brain, " or > > > > any other word. > > > > To think something is being pointed to, is imagining > > > > something that isn't there. > > > > > > > > G: After all " brain " is just an image in a brain. P thinks there is some > > > > real brain somewhere. > > > > > > D: Yes. > > > > > > " Brain " is an image in a brain, ad infinitum. > > > > > > Memory is an image in a memory, ad infinitum. > > > > > > The endless hall of mirrors, dissolves. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Consciousness as a ME is gone. This world as empty waves remain till the > > > body falls off. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > you know it's funny.. > > > > the federal government.. > > > > the banks and the insurance companies.. > > > > well i guess those are the federal government now too.. > > > > well.. > > > > the federal government and the car companies.. > > > > oops.. > > > > scratch that.. > > > > that's Government Motors now as well.. > > > > well anyway.. > > > > the federal government when it comes time for me: > > > > to pay my taxes... my mortgage..my insurance..my car loan.. > > > > they don't buy this: > > > > " Consciousness as a ME is gone " stuff. > > > > i think if i acted on that assumption.. > > > > that the body could drop off pretty quick. > > > > probably a good thing for the surplus population. > > > > .b b.b. > > Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. > > And render unto Bellagio that which is Bellagio's. > > - D - give up the notion of needing to render anything to anyone. it can't be done in any case. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > P: You kick words around well, but only > > > > > > > > dust flies around. All them abstract terms > > > > > > > > are just fancy jibe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, it's like this, words do nothing but to prompt > > > > > > > > one to search. It's just as if someone said to a blind > > > > > > > > person, " search this room and you'll find the most > > > > > > > > wonderful thing. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The person searches for years and finds the room is > > > > > > > > empty, but it also finds that the search has changed > > > > > > > > his/her brain, and that the changed brain, and the > > > > > > > > empty room turned out to be the most " wonderful thing. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One stands alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This void, oneself, experience, life, death - indivisible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > P: All of the above are sensations. Even the > > > > > > sensation of no sensation is a sensation. Words > > > > > > like the force lines of a magnet curve inside and point > > > > > > only to the brain. > > > > > > > > > > D: There isn't something being pointed to. > > > > > The pointing is empty of an object. > > > > > The no-word isn't somewhere else, apart from words. > > > > > Nor is the no-word in any of the words. > > > > > There isn't anything special about the word " brain, " or > > > > > any other word. > > > > > To think something is being pointed to, is imagining > > > > > something that isn't there. > > > > > > > > > > G: After all " brain " is just an image in a brain. P thinks there is some > > > > > real brain somewhere. > > > > > > > > D: Yes. > > > > > > > > " Brain " is an image in a brain, ad infinitum. > > > > > > > > Memory is an image in a memory, ad infinitum. > > > > > > > > The endless hall of mirrors, dissolves. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > Consciousness as a ME is gone. This world as empty waves remain till the > > > > body falls off. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > you know it's funny.. > > > > > > the federal government.. > > > > > > the banks and the insurance companies.. > > > > > > well i guess those are the federal government now too.. > > > > > > well.. > > > > > > the federal government and the car companies.. > > > > > > oops.. > > > > > > scratch that.. > > > > > > that's Government Motors now as well.. > > > > > > well anyway.. > > > > > > the federal government when it comes time for me: > > > > > > to pay my taxes... my mortgage..my insurance..my car loan.. > > > > > > they don't buy this: > > > > > > " Consciousness as a ME is gone " stuff. > > > > > > i think if i acted on that assumption.. > > > > > > that the body could drop off pretty quick. > > > > > > probably a good thing for the surplus population. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. > > > > And render unto Bellagio that which is Bellagio's. > > > > - D - > > > give up the notion of needing to render anything to anyone. > > it can't be done in any case. > > .b b.b. Yes, that's what I wrote on my income tax statement. I'm sending this email from Leavenworth (I owed a lot of back taxes). - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: You kick words around well, but only > > > > > > > > > dust flies around. All them abstract terms > > > > > > > > > are just fancy jibe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, it's like this, words do nothing but to prompt > > > > > > > > > one to search. It's just as if someone said to a blind > > > > > > > > > person, " search this room and you'll find the most > > > > > > > > > wonderful thing. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The person searches for years and finds the room is > > > > > > > > > empty, but it also finds that the search has changed > > > > > > > > > his/her brain, and that the changed brain, and the > > > > > > > > > empty room turned out to be the most " wonderful thing. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One stands alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This void, oneself, experience, life, death - indivisible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: All of the above are sensations. Even the > > > > > > > sensation of no sensation is a sensation. Words > > > > > > > like the force lines of a magnet curve inside and point > > > > > > > only to the brain. > > > > > > > > > > > > D: There isn't something being pointed to. > > > > > > The pointing is empty of an object. > > > > > > The no-word isn't somewhere else, apart from words. > > > > > > Nor is the no-word in any of the words. > > > > > > There isn't anything special about the word " brain, " or > > > > > > any other word. > > > > > > To think something is being pointed to, is imagining > > > > > > something that isn't there. > > > > > > > > > > > > G: After all " brain " is just an image in a brain. P thinks there is some > > > > > > real brain somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > D: Yes. > > > > > > > > > > " Brain " is an image in a brain, ad infinitum. > > > > > > > > > > Memory is an image in a memory, ad infinitum. > > > > > > > > > > The endless hall of mirrors, dissolves. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness as a ME is gone. This world as empty waves remain till the > > > > > body falls off. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know it's funny.. > > > > > > > > the federal government.. > > > > > > > > the banks and the insurance companies.. > > > > > > > > well i guess those are the federal government now too.. > > > > > > > > well.. > > > > > > > > the federal government and the car companies.. > > > > > > > > oops.. > > > > > > > > scratch that.. > > > > > > > > that's Government Motors now as well.. > > > > > > > > well anyway.. > > > > > > > > the federal government when it comes time for me: > > > > > > > > to pay my taxes... my mortgage..my insurance..my car loan.. > > > > > > > > they don't buy this: > > > > > > > > " Consciousness as a ME is gone " stuff. > > > > > > > > i think if i acted on that assumption.. > > > > > > > > that the body could drop off pretty quick. > > > > > > > > probably a good thing for the surplus population. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. > > > > > > And render unto Bellagio that which is Bellagio's. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > give up the notion of needing to render anything to anyone. > > > > it can't be done in any case. > > > > .b b.b. > > Yes, that's what I wrote on my income tax statement. > > I'm sending this email from Leavenworth (I owed a lot of back taxes). > > - D - explain to them how you are the emptiness. you can even escape the pen by reverting to that state. you went in full you come out empty. not a lot different than entering and exiting.. your accountants' offices when filing Income Tax honestly.. the first time and remitting the due. it's good for the soul... this giving more than you've taken in. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Monday, June 15, 2009 1:27 PM Re: Silence Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > P: You kick words around well, but only > > > > > dust flies around. All them abstract terms > > > > > are just fancy jibe. > > > > > > > > > > To me, it's like this, words do nothing but to prompt > > > > > one to search. It's just as if someone said to a blind > > > > > person, " search this room and you'll find the most > > > > > wonderful thing. " > > > > > > > > > > The person searches for years and finds the room is > > > > > empty, but it also finds that the search has changed > > > > > his/her brain, and that the changed brain, and the > > > > > empty room turned out to be the most " wonderful thing. " > > > > > > > > One stands alone. > > > > > > > > This void, oneself, experience, life, death - indivisible. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > P: All of the above are sensations. Even the > > > sensation of no sensation is a sensation. Words > > > like the force lines of a magnet curve inside and point > > > only to the brain. > > > > D: There isn't something being pointed to. > > The pointing is empty of an object. > > The no-word isn't somewhere else, apart from words. > > Nor is the no-word in any of the words. > > There isn't anything special about the word " brain, " or > > any other word. > > To think something is being pointed to, is imagining > > something that isn't there. > > > > G: After all " brain " is just an image in a brain. P thinks there is some > > real brain somewhere. > > D: Yes. > > " Brain " is an image in a brain, ad infinitum. > > Memory is an image in a memory, ad infinitum. > > The endless hall of mirrors, dissolves. > > - D - > > Consciousness as a ME is gone. This world as empty waves remain till the > body falls off. > -geo- You are predicting that the body falls off, and this world as empty waves goes with it. Is this a projection of the future which is made based on thought, or is it a statement based on no-thing, from and of which present experience (as the body-mind waving) arises now? - dan - It is being seen as a fact from no-thing, now. The world and the organism make up a fabric. One can not be without the other. Why? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 15/6/2009 13:37:34 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: You kick words around well, but only > > > > > > > > > > dust flies around. All them abstract terms > > > > > > > > > > are just fancy jibe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, it's like this, words do nothing but to prompt > > > > > > > > > > one to search. It's just as if someone said to a blind > > > > > > > > > > person, " search this room and you'll find the most > > > > > > > > > > wonderful thing. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The person searches for years and finds the room is > > > > > > > > > > empty, but it also finds that the search has changed > > > > > > > > > > his/her brain, and that the changed brain, and the > > > > > > > > > > empty room turned out to be the most " wonderful thing. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One stands alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This void, oneself, experience, life, death - indivisible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: All of the above are sensations. Even the > > > > > > > > sensation of no sensation is a sensation. Words > > > > > > > > like the force lines of a magnet curve inside and point > > > > > > > > only to the brain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D: There isn't something being pointed to. > > > > > > > The pointing is empty of an object. > > > > > > > The no-word isn't somewhere else, apart from words. > > > > > > > Nor is the no-word in any of the words. > > > > > > > There isn't anything special about the word " brain, " or > > > > > > > any other word. > > > > > > > To think something is being pointed to, is imagining > > > > > > > something that isn't there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G: After all " brain " is just an image in a brain. P thinks there is some > > > > > > > real brain somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > D: Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > " Brain " is an image in a brain, ad infinitum. > > > > > > > > > > > > Memory is an image in a memory, ad infinitum. > > > > > > > > > > > > The endless hall of mirrors, dissolves. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness as a ME is gone. This world as empty waves remain till the > > > > > > body falls off. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know it's funny.. > > > > > > > > > > the federal government.. > > > > > > > > > > the banks and the insurance companies.. > > > > > > > > > > well i guess those are the federal government now too.. > > > > > > > > > > well.. > > > > > > > > > > the federal government and the car companies.. > > > > > > > > > > oops.. > > > > > > > > > > scratch that.. > > > > > > > > > > that's Government Motors now as well.. > > > > > > > > > > well anyway.. > > > > > > > > > > the federal government when it comes time for me: > > > > > > > > > > to pay my taxes... my mortgage..my insurance..my car loan.. > > > > > > > > > > they don't buy this: > > > > > > > > > > " Consciousness as a ME is gone " stuff. > > > > > > > > > > i think if i acted on that assumption.. > > > > > > > > > > that the body could drop off pretty quick. > > > > > > > > > > probably a good thing for the surplus population. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. > > > > > > > > And render unto Bellagio that which is Bellagio's. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > give up the notion of needing to render anything to anyone. > > > > > > it can't be done in any case. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Yes, that's what I wrote on my income tax statement. > > > > I'm sending this email from Leavenworth (I owed a lot of back taxes). > > > > - D - > > > explain to them how you are the emptiness. > > you can even escape the pen by reverting to that state. > > you went in full you come out empty. > > not a lot different than entering and exiting.. > > your accountants' offices when filing Income Tax honestly.. > > the first time and remitting the due. > > it's good for the soul... > > this giving more than you've taken in. > > .b b.b. I told them I am empty, so they laughed and said I wouldn't mind if they don't feed me for three days. They said they want me really empty. I can't get no respect. No respect at all. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Monday, June 15, 2009 1:27 PM > Re: Silence > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > P: You kick words around well, but only > > > > > > dust flies around. All them abstract terms > > > > > > are just fancy jibe. > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, it's like this, words do nothing but to prompt > > > > > > one to search. It's just as if someone said to a blind > > > > > > person, " search this room and you'll find the most > > > > > > wonderful thing. " > > > > > > > > > > > > The person searches for years and finds the room is > > > > > > empty, but it also finds that the search has changed > > > > > > his/her brain, and that the changed brain, and the > > > > > > empty room turned out to be the most " wonderful thing. " > > > > > > > > > > One stands alone. > > > > > > > > > > This void, oneself, experience, life, death - indivisible. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > P: All of the above are sensations. Even the > > > > sensation of no sensation is a sensation. Words > > > > like the force lines of a magnet curve inside and point > > > > only to the brain. > > > > > > D: There isn't something being pointed to. > > > The pointing is empty of an object. > > > The no-word isn't somewhere else, apart from words. > > > Nor is the no-word in any of the words. > > > There isn't anything special about the word " brain, " or > > > any other word. > > > To think something is being pointed to, is imagining > > > something that isn't there. > > > > > > G: After all " brain " is just an image in a brain. P thinks there is some > > > real brain somewhere. > > > > D: Yes. > > > > " Brain " is an image in a brain, ad infinitum. > > > > Memory is an image in a memory, ad infinitum. > > > > The endless hall of mirrors, dissolves. > > > > - D - > > > > Consciousness as a ME is gone. This world as empty waves remain till the > > body falls off. > > -geo- > > You are predicting that the body falls off, and this world as empty waves > goes with it. > > Is this a projection of the future which is made based on thought, or is it > a statement based on no-thing, from and of which present experience (as the > body-mind waving) arises now? > > - dan - > > It is being seen as a fact from no-thing, now. The world and the organism > make up a fabric. One can not be without the other. Why? > -geo- Just clarifying what you are saying. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
