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The problem is not death.

 

The problem is life.

 

Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon, and

has them thinking about death.

 

The problem is now.

 

The solution is now, too.

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The problem is not death.

 

The problem is life.

 

Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon,

and has them thinking about death.

 

The problem is now.

 

The solution is now, too.

 

geo> The solution is the now - period.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> The problem is not death.

>

> The problem is life.

>

> Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon, and

has them thinking about death.

>

> The problem is now.

>

> The solution is now, too.

 

P: The problem is that you are riding on

the carousel of words and having fun, but

dreaming that you're on a get-away-car.

You're going nowhere. Can't escape

yourself by talking. Language is the

self, but enjoy your circular ride

around the alphabet. Round and round,

up and down. What fun!

>

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > The problem is not death.

> >

> > The problem is life.

> >

> > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon,

and has them thinking about death.

> >

> > The problem is now.

> >

> > The solution is now, too.

>

> P: The problem is that you are riding on

> the carousel of words and having fun, but

> dreaming that you're on a get-away-car.

> You're going nowhere.

 

Who's riding? Who's going nowhere?

 

Isn't the author of such a message the actual rider/traveler?

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> The problem is not death.

>

> The problem is life.

>

> Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon, and

has them thinking about death.

>

> The problem is now.

>

> The solution is now, too.

 

 

 

some folks think death is too short.

 

" i " think it's probably just the right size.

 

and " i " am unanimous in that opinion.

 

all of us:

 

" me " " myself " and " i " .

 

sometimes " my " " self " tries to disagree..

 

but it's not really there anyway...

 

so fuck it..

 

it won't live on.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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>

> The problem is not death.

>

> The problem is life.

>

> Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon,

> and has them thinking about death.

>

> The problem is now.

>

> The solution is now, too.

>

> geo> The solution is the now - period.

 

 

 

 

that's what it is now?

 

what was the solution before it was -period?

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > The problem is not death.

> >

> > The problem is life.

> >

> > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon,

and has them thinking about death.

> >

> > The problem is now.

> >

> > The solution is now, too.

>

> P: The problem is that you are riding on

> the carousel of words and having fun, but

> dreaming that you're on a get-away-car.

> You're going nowhere. Can't escape

> yourself by talking. Language is the

> self, but enjoy your circular ride

> around the alphabet. Round and round,

> up and down. What fun!

 

 

 

in a way that's no problem at all.

 

it may even be a solution to something or other.

 

wonder what that might be?

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > The problem is not death.

> > >

> > > The problem is life.

> > >

> > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon,

and has them thinking about death.

> > >

> > > The problem is now.

> > >

> > > The solution is now, too.

> >

> > P: The problem is that you are riding on

> > the carousel of words and having fun, but

> > dreaming that you're on a get-away-car.

> > You're going nowhere.

>

> Who's riding? Who's going nowhere?

>

> Isn't the author of such a message the actual rider/traveler?

 

P: I was talking about you, but that also

applies to me. I'm aware that it's the language

center in this brain that writes under the name

Pete. Are you aware that there is no Tim, nor Onkara

writing the stuff that " you " post? It's only the verbal

carousel going around and around.

>

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

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> P: I was talking about you, but that also

> applies to me. I'm aware that it's the language

> center in this brain that writes under the name

> Pete. Are you aware that there is no Tim, nor Onkara

> writing the stuff that " you " post?

 

Yes. Tim/Omkara are words, and words don't write words.

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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>

> The problem is not death.

>

> The problem is life.

>

> Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon,

> and has them thinking about death.

>

> The problem is now.

>

> The solution is now, too.

>

> geo> The solution is the now - period.

 

birth/death = life.

 

The problem is the belief that something came into existence between them.

 

- d -

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > The problem is not death.

> >

> > The problem is life.

> >

> > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon,

and has them thinking about death.

> >

> > The problem is now.

> >

> > The solution is now, too.

>

> P: The problem is that you are riding on

> the carousel of words and having fun, but

> dreaming that you're on a get-away-car.

> You're going nowhere. Can't escape

> yourself by talking. Language is the

> self, but enjoy your circular ride

> around the alphabet. Round and round,

> up and down. What fun!

 

Nice.

 

Very true.

 

One letter follows another.

 

Processed by the brain.

 

The brain is later processed by bacteria.

 

Turned into fertilizer.

 

Other brains grow.

 

More letters are produced.

 

Round and round and round.

 

- d -

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

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> >

> > The problem is not death.

> >

> > The problem is life.

> >

> > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon,

> > and has them thinking about death.

> >

> > The problem is now.

> >

> > The solution is now, too.

> >

> > geo> The solution is the now - period.

>

> birth/death = life.

>

> The problem is the belief that something came into existence between them.

>

> - d -

 

Well, an image appeared, and seemed to have some nominal stability.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > The problem is not death.

> > >

> > > The problem is life.

> > >

> > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon,

> > > and has them thinking about death.

> > >

> > > The problem is now.

> > >

> > > The solution is now, too.

> > >

> > > geo> The solution is the now - period.

> >

> > birth/death = life.

> >

> > The problem is the belief that something came into existence between them.

> >

> > - d -

>

> Well, an image appeared, and seemed to have some nominal stability.

 

Funny, though, it was just constructed from + and -

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The problem is not death.

> > > >

> > > > The problem is life.

> > > >

> > > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over

soon,

> > > > and has them thinking about death.

> > > >

> > > > The problem is now.

> > > >

> > > > The solution is now, too.

> > > >

> > > > geo> The solution is the now - period.

> > >

> > > birth/death = life.

> > >

> > > The problem is the belief that something came into existence between them.

> > >

> > > - d -

> >

> > Well, an image appeared, and seemed to have some nominal stability.

>

> Funny, though, it was just constructed from + and -

 

True... only, nobody constructed it. Everything just happens.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The problem is not death.

> > > > >

> > > > > The problem is life.

> > > > >

> > > > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over

soon,

> > > > > and has them thinking about death.

> > > > >

> > > > > The problem is now.

> > > > >

> > > > > The solution is now, too.

> > > > >

> > > > > geo> The solution is the now - period.

> > > >

> > > > birth/death = life.

> > > >

> > > > The problem is the belief that something came into existence between

them.

> > > >

> > > > - d -

> > >

> > > Well, an image appeared, and seemed to have some nominal stability.

> >

> > Funny, though, it was just constructed from + and -

>

> True... only, nobody constructed it. Everything just happens.

 

The only meaning for the word " everything " is what you supply as meaning.

 

And the meaning of " you " ?

 

Who supplies that?

 

So, nothing just happens.

 

Unless " you " do.

 

And you can't make yourself happen.

 

So, nothing happens.

 

- d -

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Friday, June 05, 2009 3:20 PM

Re: The problem

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > The problem is not death.

> >

> > The problem is life.

> >

> > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over

> > soon,

> > and has them thinking about death.

> >

> > The problem is now.

> >

> > The solution is now, too.

> >

> > geo> The solution is the now - period.

>

> birth/death = life.

>

> The problem is the belief that something came into existence between them.

>

> - d -

 

Well, an image appeared, and seemed to have some nominal stability.

 

geo> A change of pattern.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The problem is not death.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The problem is life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over

soon,

> > > > > > and has them thinking about death.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The problem is now.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The solution is now, too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > geo> The solution is the now - period.

> > > > >

> > > > > birth/death = life.

> > > > >

> > > > > The problem is the belief that something came into existence between

them.

> > > > >

> > > > > - d -

> > > >

> > > > Well, an image appeared, and seemed to have some nominal stability.

> > >

> > > Funny, though, it was just constructed from + and -

> >

> > True... only, nobody constructed it. Everything just happens.

>

> The only meaning for the word " everything " is what you supply as meaning.

>

> And the meaning of " you " ?

>

> Who supplies that?

>

> So, nothing just happens.

>

> Unless " you " do.

>

> And you can't make yourself happen.

>

> So, nothing happens.

>

> - d -

 

OK, I'll reword: Nothing happens volitionally. Better?

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Friday, June 05, 2009 1:15 PM

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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>

> The problem is not death.

>

> The problem is life.

>

> Something has people feeling life is too short, that it will be over soon,

> and has them thinking about death.

>

> The problem is now.

>

> The solution is now, too.

>

> geo> The solution is the now - period.

 

that's what it is now?

 

what was the solution before it was -period?

 

..b b.b.

 

That is already gone solved.

-geo-

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JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote

Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit!Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To seek security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this reason, the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence comes when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and what is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. The mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still.The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it is not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then only does the immeasurable come into being.Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44

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Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson wrote:

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>

>

> JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote

>

> Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit!

>

> Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue - all

these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only work

toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known. Achievement is

security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To seek security in that

which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be found is only in the

projection of the past, of the known. For this reason, the mind must be entirely

and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be purchased through sacrifice,

sublimation, or suppression. This silence comes when the mind is no longer

seeking, no longer caught in the process of becoming. This silence is not

cumulative, it may not be built up through practice. This silence must be as

unknown to the mind as the timeless, for if the mind experiences the silence,

then there is the experiencer who is the result of past experiences, who is

cognizant of a past silence, and what is experienced by the experiencer is

merely a self-projected repetition. The mind can never experience the new, and

so the mind must be utterly still.

>

> The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it is

not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and

recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, not

merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the deeper

mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is silent and

tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then only does the

immeasurable come into being.

>

> Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44

 

 

 

everything should be made as simple as possible...

 

but not simpler.

 

Einstein

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Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM

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JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote

 

Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit!

 

Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue -

all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only

work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known.

Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To seek

security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be

found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this reason,

the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be

purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence comes

when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of

becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through

practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for

if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is

the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and what

is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. The

mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still.

 

The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it is

not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and

recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness,

not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the

deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is

silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then

only does the immeasurable come into being.

 

Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44

 

When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid cristal.

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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>

> -

> Michael Adamson

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM

> Re: The problem

>

JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote

>

> Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit!

>

> Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue -

> all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only

> work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known.

> Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To seek

> security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be

> found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this reason,

> the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be

> purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence comes

> when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of

> becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through

> practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for

> if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is

> the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and what

> is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. The

> mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still.

>

> The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it is

> not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and

> recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness,

> not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the

> deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is

> silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then

> only does the immeasurable come into being.

>

> Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44

>

> When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid cristal.

> -geo-

 

 

that about sums up that man's worth.

 

...and of course your worth as well.

 

fragile.

 

..b b.b.

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Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:59 PM

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> Michael Adamson

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM

> Re: The problem

>

JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote

>

> Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit!

>

> Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue -

> all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only

> work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known.

> Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To

> seek

> security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be

> found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this

> reason,

> the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be

> purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence

> comes

> when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of

> becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through

> practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for

> if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is

> the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and

> what

> is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition.

> The

> mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still.

>

> The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it

> is

> not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and

> recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness,

> not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the

> deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is

> silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then

> only does the immeasurable come into being.

>

> Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44

>

> When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid cristal.

> -geo-

 

that about sums up that man's worth.

 

...and of course your worth as well.

 

fragile.

 

..b b.b.

 

Yes...absolutely vulnerable

-geo-

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> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:59 PM

> Re: The problem

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > Michael Adamson

> > Nisargadatta

> > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM

> > Re: The problem

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote

> >

> > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit!

> >

> > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of virtue -

> > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can only

> > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known.

> > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To

> > seek

> > security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be

> > found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this

> > reason,

> > the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be

> > purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence

> > comes

> > when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of

> > becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through

> > practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless, for

> > if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is

> > the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and

> > what

> > is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition.

> > The

> > mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still.

> >

> > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it

> > is

> > not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and

> > recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness,

> > not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet, the

> > deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is

> > silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity - then

> > only does the immeasurable come into being.

> >

> > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44

> >

> > When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid cristal.

> > -geo-

>

> that about sums up that man's worth.

>

> ..and of course your worth as well.

>

> fragile.

>

> .b b.b.

>

> Yes...absolutely vulnerable

> -geo-

 

 

to what?

 

..b b.b.

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Saturday, June 06, 2009 3:31 PM

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:59 PM

> Re: The problem

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > Michael Adamson

> > Nisargadatta

> > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM

> > Re: The problem

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote

> >

> > Silence is not built up through practice or pursuit!

> >

> > Disciplines, renunciations, detachments, rituals, the practice of

> > virtue -

> > all these, however noble, are the process of thought, and thought can

> > only

> > work toward an end, toward an achievement, which is ever the known.

> > Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To

> > seek

> > security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may

> > be

> > found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this

> > reason,

> > the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be

> > purchased through sacrifice, sublimation, or suppression. This silence

> > comes

> > when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of

> > becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through

> > practice. This silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless,

> > for

> > if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who

> > is

> > the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence, and

> > what

> > is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition.

> > The

> > mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly

> > still.

> >

> > The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it

> > is

> > not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming

> > and

> > recording is a constant process of the different layers of

> > consciousness,

> > not merely of the upper mind. But, when the superficial mind is quiet,

> > the

> > deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness

> > is

> > silent and tranquil, free from all becoming - which is spontaneity -

> > then

> > only does the immeasurable come into being.

> >

> > Commentaries on Living, Series I - 44

> >

> > When I read this man I am reminded of a peace of translucid cristal.

> > -geo-

>

> that about sums up that man's worth.

>

> ..and of course your worth as well.

>

> fragile.

>

> .b b.b.

>

> Yes...absolutely vulnerable

> -geo-

 

to what?

 

..b b.b.

 

To all and any patterning so that they remain what they are: empty.

-geo-

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