Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > this fucking hockey game tonight is an illusion. > > > > > > don't be distracted by that bullshit. > > > > > > Detroit will win the cup! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > If a hockey team changes its town, its owner, its manager, its players, and its fans......is it still the same team? > > > > .....and why do so many people want to win an empty cup? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > what is a " university " ? > > the buildings may change..or be added onto.. > > the professors and lecturers constantly change.. > > as do the students.. > > and the offered curriculum and details within those courses too. > > campuses sprawl and find external satellites.. > > names may even change for the institution.. > > or among those students and staff attending. > > most certainly the identities of staff and students change. > > it's an ever-changing phantasmagoria.. > > but it's considered " fixed " . > > it's called the " university of ____ > > if it's a name of prestige... > > many want to attend this place of no place or people. > > why do we assume it's of a fixed nature? > > > > > what of the home you live in? > > through hundreds of years different people.. > > different ownerships.. > > different additions and removals.. > > new roofs and walls and paints and stones.. > > features and faults.. > > is it in essence not a home but rather a hotel? > > why would anyone want to live in a hotel and call it " home " ? > > > > > the cells in your body will have died/vanished and been replaced.. > > within the next seven years.. > > as they have done before every seven year span.. > > throughout it's lifetime.. > > yet you call that blob of squishy meat stuff " you " . > > it's an ever changing phantasm too. > > where's " you " in that ever changing protoplasm? > > and even if not it's " you " ....where is that body? > > who would want to inhabit an ever-changing.. > > living and dying.. > > hunk of flesh? > > all vessels are empty. > > but " everyone " wants one. > > be it a cup..a home..a body.. > > or an opinion...changeable upon demand or circumstance. > > none of that matters. > > all is empty and all is change. > > so what? > > what's new? > > .b b.b. New York. New Jersey. New Hampshire. New Living and Dying Hunk of Flesh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > all vessels are empty. > > > > but " everyone " wants one. > > > > be it a cup..a home..a body.. > > > > or an opinion...changeable upon demand or circumstance. > > > > none of that matters. > > > > all is empty and all is change. > > > > so what? > > > > what's new? > > > > .b b.b. > > Everything's new, as you just pointed out above. " There is nothing new under the sun. " Ecclesiastes " Behold, I make all things new. " Revelation They are both right. And neither. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > this fucking hockey game tonight is an illusion. > > > > > > > > don't be distracted by that bullshit. > > > > > > > > Detroit will win the cup! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a hockey team changes its town, its owner, its manager, its players, and its fans......is it still the same team? > > > > > > .....and why do so many people want to win an empty cup? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > what is a " university " ? > > > > the buildings may change..or be added onto.. > > > > the professors and lecturers constantly change.. > > > > as do the students.. > > > > and the offered curriculum and details within those courses too. > > > > campuses sprawl and find external satellites.. > > > > names may even change for the institution.. > > > > or among those students and staff attending. > > > > most certainly the identities of staff and students change. > > > > it's an ever-changing phantasmagoria.. > > > > but it's considered " fixed " . > > > > it's called the " university of ____ > > > > if it's a name of prestige... > > > > many want to attend this place of no place or people. > > > > why do we assume it's of a fixed nature? > > > > > > > > > > what of the home you live in? > > > > through hundreds of years different people.. > > > > different ownerships.. > > > > different additions and removals.. > > > > new roofs and walls and paints and stones.. > > > > features and faults.. > > > > is it in essence not a home but rather a hotel? > > > > why would anyone want to live in a hotel and call it " home " ? > > > > > > > > > > the cells in your body will have died/vanished and been replaced.. > > > > within the next seven years.. > > > > as they have done before every seven year span.. > > > > throughout it's lifetime.. > > > > yet you call that blob of squishy meat stuff " you " . > > > > it's an ever changing phantasm too. > > > > where's " you " in that ever changing protoplasm? > > > > and even if not it's " you " ....where is that body? > > > > who would want to inhabit an ever-changing.. > > > > living and dying.. > > > > hunk of flesh? > > > > all vessels are empty. > > > > but " everyone " wants one. > > > > be it a cup..a home..a body.. > > > > or an opinion...changeable upon demand or circumstance. > > > > none of that matters. > > > > all is empty and all is change. > > > > so what? > > > > what's new? > > > > .b b.b. > > > what is " america " ? > > why would people sacrifice their bodies for it? > > what is freedom.. > > why is it so desired? > > what is a family? > > what is " you " ? > > none of the above is tangible or lasting. > > everything imaginable is " empty " of substance. > > illusion is in love with illusion. > > eternity is in love with the creatures of time. > > we're all in love with ourselves.. > > the lover and the loved are both meaningless. > > but " you " wouldn't " be " without this emptiness. > > guess what? > > even " you " are nothing BUT emptiness. > > and emptiness queries emptiness.....meaninglessly. > > now how..why...where..when.. > > does any of that emptiness " occur " ? > > and why should any of it 'seem " important? > > " you " seem to want to " find out " . > > you never will.. > > and even were that possible.. > > to what end? > > there are no ends to no beginnings. > > it's a role playing within games. > > Go Detroit! > > (whatever " Detroit " is) > > Win that empty cup! > > (whatever " win " means " ) > > the fans (which change with tides and times).. > > are by and on your " side " . > > > > why do so many want to ask empty questions.. > > regarding empty cups or emptiness itself? > > the questioners are empty too. > > emptiness wanting more emptiness. > > it's fucking greedy i tell you. > > .b b.b. That's why we invented WAL-E. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > all vessels are empty. > > > > > > but " everyone " wants one. > > > > > > be it a cup..a home..a body.. > > > > > > or an opinion...changeable upon demand or circumstance. > > > > > > none of that matters. > > > > > > all is empty and all is change. > > > > > > so what? > > > > > > what's new? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Everything's new, as you just pointed out above. > > > " There is nothing new under the sun. " > > Ecclesiastes > > " Behold, I make all things new. " > > Revelation > > > They are both right. > > And neither. > > - d - I seem to recall noting that " everything's new under the sun, nothing's new under the skull " at one point :-p. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > all vessels are empty. > > > > > > but " everyone " wants one. > > > > > > be it a cup..a home..a body.. > > > > > > or an opinion...changeable upon demand or circumstance. > > > > > > none of that matters. > > > > > > all is empty and all is change. > > > > > > so what? > > > > > > what's new? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Everything's new, as you just pointed out above. > > > that's not new. > > there is no new newness. > > there are no " things " nor " everythings " . > > there are no " everybodys " . > > but everybody wants new things. > > nothing wants more and more extra nothing. > > whats new? > > .b b.b. what is new is an impression in time that seems different than the old. it's only as real as any impression in time. new and old are relative descriptors. what is, isn't described. even by the term " is. " - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > what is " america " ? > > > > The United Mental-States of America. > > > > > why would people sacrifice their bodies for it? > > > > Because they believe it to be existing outside them, more real than they are. > > > > > what is freedom.. > > > > > > why is it so desired? > > > > Because the human mind is bondage. > > > are " we " " free " to lose this " bondage " ? > > are " we " more " real " than anything? > > .b b.b. good questions. no, we would have to have contact with something real, in order to escape the unreal. and the real has no contact with anything. what do you have when something unreal is trying to escape its unreality? agita. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > what is " america " ? > > > > > > The United Mental-States of America. > > > > > > > why would people sacrifice their bodies for it? > > > > > > Because they believe it to be existing outside them, more real than they are. > > > > > > > what is freedom.. > > > > > > > > why is it so desired? > > > > > > Because the human mind is bondage. > > > > > > are " we " " free " to lose this " bondage " ? > > > > are " we " more " real " than anything? > > > > .b b.b. > > Things appear as they do, because we are as they are. > > So sure, we're more real than anything. > > Everything depends on how we perceive it. > > Therefore, it depends on us. We don't depend on it. are things appearing to someone? - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > Things appear as they do, because we are as they are. > > > > So sure, we're more real than anything. > > > > Everything depends on how we perceive it. > > > > Therefore, it depends on us. We don't depend on it. > > are things appearing to someone? > > - d - Words are relative, remember? From here, " everything depends on us " is truer than " we depend on everything " . In other words, the latter suggests that the world is objective. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > all vessels are empty. > > > > > > > > but " everyone " wants one. > > > > > > > > be it a cup..a home..a body.. > > > > > > > > or an opinion...changeable upon demand or circumstance. > > > > > > > > none of that matters. > > > > > > > > all is empty and all is change. > > > > > > > > so what? > > > > > > > > what's new? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Everything's new, as you just pointed out above. > > > > > > " There is nothing new under the sun. " > > > > Ecclesiastes > > > > " Behold, I make all things new. " > > > > Revelation > > > > > > They are both right. > > > > And neither. > > > > - d - > > I seem to recall noting that " everything's new under the sun, nothing's new under the skull " at one point :-p. rememeber that when you are above looking down under, something down under is looking back at you. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > Things appear as they do, because we are as they are. > > > > > > So sure, we're more real than anything. > > > > > > Everything depends on how we perceive it. > > > > > > Therefore, it depends on us. We don't depend on it. > > > > are things appearing to someone? > > > > - d - > > Words are relative, remember? > > From here, " everything depends on us " is truer than " we depend on everything " . In other words, the latter suggests that the world is objective. words follow words. true and false are just words used to describe other words. no word can really describe another word. it's a word game called " making believe there is meaning. " - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > I seem to recall noting that " everything's new under the sun, > > nothing's new under the skull " at one point :-p. > > rememeber that when you are above looking down under, something down > under is looking back at you. > > - d - A kangaroo? :-p Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > Things appear as they do, because we are as they are. > > > > > > > > So sure, we're more real than anything. > > > > > > > > Everything depends on how we perceive it. > > > > > > > > Therefore, it depends on us. We don't depend on it. > > > > > > are things appearing to someone? > > > > > > - d - > > > > Words are relative, remember? > > > > From here, " everything depends on us " is truer than " we depend on everything " . In other words, the latter suggests that the world is objective. > > words follow words. Could have sworn you just said " nothing just happens " :-p. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > I seem to recall noting that " everything's new under the sun, > > > nothing's new under the skull " at one point :-p. > > > > rememeber that when you are above looking down under, something down > under is looking back at you. > > > > - d - > > A kangaroo? :-p I thought I'd set you up with that softball, and see what you'd hit it with ... ;-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Things appear as they do, because we are as they are. > > > > > > > > > > So sure, we're more real than anything. > > > > > > > > > > Everything depends on how we perceive it. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, it depends on us. We don't depend on it. > > > > > > > > are things appearing to someone? > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > Words are relative, remember? > > > > > > From here, " everything depends on us " is truer than " we depend on everything " . In other words, the latter suggests that the world is objective. > > > > words follow words. > > Could have sworn you just said " nothing just happens " :-p. yes, happens followed just which followed nothing. see how it works? - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Friday, June 05, 2009 2:52 PM Re: hockey Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > what is " america " ? > > > > > > The United Mental-States of America. > > > > > > > why would people sacrifice their bodies for it? > > > > > > Because they believe it to be existing outside them, more real than > > > they are. > > > > > > > what is freedom.. > > > > > > > > why is it so desired? > > > > > > Because the human mind is bondage. > > > > > > are " we " " free " to lose this " bondage " ? > > > > are " we " more " real " than anything? > > > > .b b.b. > > Things appear as they do, because we are as they are. > > So sure, we're more real than anything. > > Everything depends on how we perceive it. > > Therefore, it depends on us. We don't depend on it. are things appearing to someone? - d - Nothing is unreal as pattern. Nothing is real, but it is no-thing. Nothing is unreal for that is a thing. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Friday, June 05, 2009 2:59 PM Re: hockey Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > Things appear as they do, because we are as they are. > > > > So sure, we're more real than anything. > > > > Everything depends on how we perceive it. > > > > Therefore, it depends on us. We don't depend on it. > > are things appearing to someone? > > - d - Words are relative, remember? From here, " everything depends on us " is truer than " we depend on everything " . In other words, the latter suggests that the world is objective. geo> Everything depends on us when there is only one. We depend on everthing when we are me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Friday, June 05, 2009 4:02 PM Re: hockey Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > Things appear as they do, because we are as they are. > > > > > > So sure, we're more real than anything. > > > > > > Everything depends on how we perceive it. > > > > > > Therefore, it depends on us. We don't depend on it. > > > > are things appearing to someone? > > > > - d - > > Words are relative, remember? > > From here, " everything depends on us " is truer than " we depend on > everything " . In other words, the latter suggests that the world is > objective. words follow words. true and false are just words used to describe other words. no word can really describe another word. it's a word game called " making believe there is meaning. " - D - Hmmm...some people play with words as a good musician and enchant millions, others as a good swordsman - and mind its a very sharp sword indeed. Others use them as dinamite to lower what is too high and fill what is empty. Some have even changed the earths landscape with them. Never desmiss words as having no meaning. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, June 05, 2009 2:52 PM > Re: hockey > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > what is " america " ? > > > > > > > > The United Mental-States of America. > > > > > > > > > why would people sacrifice their bodies for it? > > > > > > > > Because they believe it to be existing outside them, more real than > > > > they are. > > > > > > > > > what is freedom.. > > > > > > > > > > why is it so desired? > > > > > > > > Because the human mind is bondage. > > > > > > > > > are " we " " free " to lose this " bondage " ? > > > > > > are " we " more " real " than anything? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Things appear as they do, because we are as they are. > > > > So sure, we're more real than anything. > > > > Everything depends on how we perceive it. > > > > Therefore, it depends on us. We don't depend on it. > > are things appearing to someone? > > - d - > > Nothing is unreal as pattern. Nothing is real, but it is no-thing. Nothing > is unreal for that is a thing. > -geo- The real is not the opposite of the unreal. The unreal is not other than the real. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, June 05, 2009 4:02 PM > Re: hockey > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > Things appear as they do, because we are as they are. > > > > > > > > So sure, we're more real than anything. > > > > > > > > Everything depends on how we perceive it. > > > > > > > > Therefore, it depends on us. We don't depend on it. > > > > > > are things appearing to someone? > > > > > > - d - > > > > Words are relative, remember? > > > > From here, " everything depends on us " is truer than " we depend on > > everything " . In other words, the latter suggests that the world is > > objective. > > words follow words. > > true and false are just words used to describe other words. > > no word can really describe another word. > > it's a word game called " making believe there is meaning. " > > - D - > > Hmmm...some people play with words as a good musician and enchant millions, > others as a good swordsman - and mind its a very sharp sword indeed. > Others use them as dinamite to lower what is too high and fill what is > empty. Some have even changed the earths landscape with them. > Never desmiss words as having no meaning. > -geo- One word follows another (in time). Yet, there is no time to add any meaning to them. One act follows another act (in time). Yet, there is no time to add any meaning to them. The earth's landscape changes in successive moments of time. And yet, there is no time to divide any of the moments. We divide before and after, so we can experience a succession. Yet, before is never divided from after. -- D -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Friday, June 05, 2009 8:36 PM Re: hockey Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, June 05, 2009 2:52 PM > Re: hockey > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > what is " america " ? > > > > > > > > The United Mental-States of America. > > > > > > > > > why would people sacrifice their bodies for it? > > > > > > > > Because they believe it to be existing outside them, more real than > > > > they are. > > > > > > > > > what is freedom.. > > > > > > > > > > why is it so desired? > > > > > > > > Because the human mind is bondage. > > > > > > > > > are " we " " free " to lose this " bondage " ? > > > > > > are " we " more " real " than anything? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Things appear as they do, because we are as they are. > > > > So sure, we're more real than anything. > > > > Everything depends on how we perceive it. > > > > Therefore, it depends on us. We don't depend on it. > > are things appearing to someone? > > - d - > > Nothing is unreal as pattern. Nothing is real, but it is no-thing. Nothing > is unreal for that is a thing. > -geo- The real is not the opposite of the unreal. The unreal is not other than the real. - d - Because real and unreal are both real -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Friday, June 05, 2009 8:41 PM Re: hockey Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, June 05, 2009 4:02 PM > Re: hockey > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > Things appear as they do, because we are as they are. > > > > > > > > So sure, we're more real than anything. > > > > > > > > Everything depends on how we perceive it. > > > > > > > > Therefore, it depends on us. We don't depend on it. > > > > > > are things appearing to someone? > > > > > > - d - > > > > Words are relative, remember? > > > > From here, " everything depends on us " is truer than " we depend on > > everything " . In other words, the latter suggests that the world is > > objective. > > words follow words. > > true and false are just words used to describe other words. > > no word can really describe another word. > > it's a word game called " making believe there is meaning. " > > - D - > > Hmmm...some people play with words as a good musician and enchant > millions, > others as a good swordsman - and mind its a very sharp sword indeed. > Others use them as dinamite to lower what is too high and fill what is > empty. Some have even changed the earths landscape with them. > Never desmiss words as having no meaning. > -geo- One word follows another (in time). Yet, there is no time to add any meaning to them. One act follows another act (in time). Yet, there is no time to add any meaning to them. The earth's landscape changes in successive moments of time. And yet, there is no time to divide any of the moments. We divide before and after, so we can experience a succession. Yet, before is never divided from after. -- D -- This world is a cloak weaved with strings of time. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Friday, June 05, 2009 2:51 PM Re: hockey Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > what is " america " ? > > > > The United Mental-States of America. > > > > > why would people sacrifice their bodies for it? > > > > Because they believe it to be existing outside them, more real than they > > are. > > > > > what is freedom.. > > > > > > why is it so desired? > > > > Because the human mind is bondage. > > > are " we " " free " to lose this " bondage " ? > > are " we " more " real " than anything? > > .b b.b. good questions. no, we would have to have contact with something real, in order to escape the unreal. and the real has no contact with anything. what do you have when something unreal is trying to escape its unreality? agita. - d - To just have " contact " the real would have to be other then a thing otherwise it would already be it. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > The real is not the opposite of the unreal. > > The unreal is not other than the real. > > - d - I'm not aware of anything unreal, so nothing is real either. Unless there's a no-chair sitting in the corner of the room, which I doubt ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, June 05, 2009 4:02 PM > > Re: hockey > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Things appear as they do, because we are as they are. > > > > > > > > > > So sure, we're more real than anything. > > > > > > > > > > Everything depends on how we perceive it. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, it depends on us. We don't depend on it. > > > > > > > > are things appearing to someone? > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > Words are relative, remember? > > > > > > From here, " everything depends on us " is truer than " we depend on > > > everything " . In other words, the latter suggests that the world is > > > objective. > > > > words follow words. > > > > true and false are just words used to describe other words. > > > > no word can really describe another word. > > > > it's a word game called " making believe there is meaning. " > > > > - D - > > > > Hmmm...some people play with words as a good musician and enchant millions, > > others as a good swordsman - and mind its a very sharp sword indeed. > > Others use them as dinamite to lower what is too high and fill what is > > empty. Some have even changed the earths landscape with them. > > Never desmiss words as having no meaning. > > -geo- > > One word follows another (in time). > > Yet, there is no time to add any meaning to them. > > One act follows another act (in time). > > Yet, there is no time to add any meaning to them. > > The earth's landscape changes in successive moments of time. > > And yet, there is no time to divide any of the moments. > > We divide before and after, so we can experience a succession. > > Yet, before is never divided from after. > > -- D -- The strange thing is, " before " suggests " fore " (front), and " after " suggests " aft " (behind). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Things appear as they do, because we are as they are. > > > > > > > > > > > > So sure, we're more real than anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything depends on how we perceive it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, it depends on us. We don't depend on it. > > > > > > > > > > are things appearing to someone? > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > Words are relative, remember? > > > > > > > > From here, " everything depends on us " is truer than " we depend on everything " . In other words, the latter suggests that the world is objective. > > > > > > words follow words. > > > > Could have sworn you just said " nothing just happens " :-p. > > yes, happens followed just which followed nothing. > > see how it works? > > - d - Of course. " Put one foot in front of the other " . Or rather -- foot, move, foot, move... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
