Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, June 05, 2009 8:36 PM > Re: hockey > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, June 05, 2009 2:52 PM > > Re: hockey > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > what is " america " ? > > > > > > > > > > The United Mental-States of America. > > > > > > > > > > > why would people sacrifice their bodies for it? > > > > > > > > > > Because they believe it to be existing outside them, more real than > > > > > they are. > > > > > > > > > > > what is freedom.. > > > > > > > > > > > > why is it so desired? > > > > > > > > > > Because the human mind is bondage. > > > > > > > > > > > > are " we " " free " to lose this " bondage " ? > > > > > > > > are " we " more " real " than anything? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Things appear as they do, because we are as they are. > > > > > > So sure, we're more real than anything. > > > > > > Everything depends on how we perceive it. > > > > > > Therefore, it depends on us. We don't depend on it. > > > > are things appearing to someone? > > > > - d - > > > > Nothing is unreal as pattern. Nothing is real, but it is no-thing. Nothing > > is unreal for that is a thing. > > -geo- > > The real is not the opposite of the unreal. > > The unreal is not other than the real. > > - d - > > Because real and unreal are both real > -geo- There is *unnamed* with no opposite, and none of the opposites that can be imagined change this fact. We can call *unnamed* something like " the real, " if we like. That may work during an exchange between human beings. But still, it hasn't been named. And human beings are a formation of oppositions. Imagined, in other words. Imaged, if you like. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, June 05, 2009 8:41 PM > Re: hockey > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, June 05, 2009 4:02 PM > > Re: hockey > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Things appear as they do, because we are as they are. > > > > > > > > > > So sure, we're more real than anything. > > > > > > > > > > Everything depends on how we perceive it. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, it depends on us. We don't depend on it. > > > > > > > > are things appearing to someone? > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > Words are relative, remember? > > > > > > From here, " everything depends on us " is truer than " we depend on > > > everything " . In other words, the latter suggests that the world is > > > objective. > > > > words follow words. > > > > true and false are just words used to describe other words. > > > > no word can really describe another word. > > > > it's a word game called " making believe there is meaning. " > > > > - D - > > > > Hmmm...some people play with words as a good musician and enchant > > millions, > > others as a good swordsman - and mind its a very sharp sword indeed. > > Others use them as dinamite to lower what is too high and fill what is > > empty. Some have even changed the earths landscape with them. > > Never desmiss words as having no meaning. > > -geo- > > One word follows another (in time). > > Yet, there is no time to add any meaning to them. > > One act follows another act (in time). > > Yet, there is no time to add any meaning to them. > > The earth's landscape changes in successive moments of time. > > And yet, there is no time to divide any of the moments. > > We divide before and after, so we can experience a succession. > > Yet, before is never divided from after. > > -- D -- > > > This world is a cloak weaved with strings of time. > -geo- Yes, it's a tapestry of invisible threads forming colors. -- D -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, June 05, 2009 2:51 PM > Re: hockey > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > what is " america " ? > > > > > > The United Mental-States of America. > > > > > > > why would people sacrifice their bodies for it? > > > > > > Because they believe it to be existing outside them, more real than they > > > are. > > > > > > > what is freedom.. > > > > > > > > why is it so desired? > > > > > > Because the human mind is bondage. > > > > > > are " we " " free " to lose this " bondage " ? > > > > are " we " more " real " than anything? > > > > .b b.b. > > good questions. > > no, we would have to have contact with something real, in order to escape > the unreal. > > and the real has no contact with anything. > > what do you have when something unreal is trying to escape its unreality? > > agita. > > - d - > To just have " contact " the real would have to be other then a thing > otherwise it would already be it. > -geo- yes, it can't " really " make itself a thing to itself. and " we " are the effort, the attempt to have that happen. to have contactful experiences, sensations, perceptions. it can never " really " happen. but, we can feel very real to ourselves, so to speak. temporarily. we can imagine living through a life in a world of things and experiences, that seem very tangible in time. ha! - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > The real is not the opposite of the unreal. > > > > The unreal is not other than the real. > > > > - d - > > I'm not aware of anything unreal, so nothing is real either. > > Unless there's a no-chair sitting in the corner of the room, which I doubt ;-). this is where there is neither meaning nor no-meaning. words, thoughts, perceptions - don't occur, nor do they fail to occur. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Friday, June 05, 2009 4:02 PM > > > Re: hockey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Things appear as they do, because we are as they are. > > > > > > > > > > > > So sure, we're more real than anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything depends on how we perceive it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, it depends on us. We don't depend on it. > > > > > > > > > > are things appearing to someone? > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > Words are relative, remember? > > > > > > > > From here, " everything depends on us " is truer than " we depend on > > > > everything " . In other words, the latter suggests that the world is > > > > objective. > > > > > > words follow words. > > > > > > true and false are just words used to describe other words. > > > > > > no word can really describe another word. > > > > > > it's a word game called " making believe there is meaning. " > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Hmmm...some people play with words as a good musician and enchant millions, > > > others as a good swordsman - and mind its a very sharp sword indeed. > > > Others use them as dinamite to lower what is too high and fill what is > > > empty. Some have even changed the earths landscape with them. > > > Never desmiss words as having no meaning. > > > -geo- > > > > One word follows another (in time). > > > > Yet, there is no time to add any meaning to them. > > > > One act follows another act (in time). > > > > Yet, there is no time to add any meaning to them. > > > > The earth's landscape changes in successive moments of time. > > > > And yet, there is no time to divide any of the moments. > > > > We divide before and after, so we can experience a succession. > > > > Yet, before is never divided from after. > > > > -- D -- > > The strange thing is, " before " suggests " fore " (front), and " after " suggests " aft " (behind). cool! yes, on-target. as " in front of me " and " behind me. " time is space, and space is time. space in front and behind, to my left to my right time in front and behind, to my left and right whatever dimensions there may be, inevitably are two (in front and behind), forming a line (of memory, of time/space distance for experiencing) - and the two are one (here/now)- forming a point - and the one is none (..... very geo-metrical. into the black hole one goes ... whoosh ... like Ross Perot once said, " do you hear that giant sucking sound ...??? " it's actually completely silent! -- D -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
