Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 When effort is needed, effort will be there. -Nis- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > -Nis- where is it ever needed? by whom? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 When effort is needed, effort will be there. -Nis- Every insight is quantic, a leap, but the " state " of a human being undergoes several step by step situations - IMHO. For a person who for the first time has an insight into the nature of the no-self, the first hole in the baloon, seemingly somthing dramatic happened. This person may think he has got it. He will give long explanations of whys and hows in an almost desperate effort to convince himself that indeed he has got it. That is just the first hole. After some time he beguins to learn about this particular trick the mind plays. And he even hear other people saying that there is nothing to learn anymore, nothing to clean anymore...ha.. But this person is able to be a bit honest to himself and refuses to lie. He then starts having insights more often. Each one one of them is unique, and he learns to know that memory can not play teh game of I know, I have seen it. At this stage a " something " permeates the life of this man. He knows that he sleeps allot but he is confident that he will have insights...All the time people say that there is no such thing as " on/off " - but there is. The cleaning process is an ongoing learning process. Learning the inns and outs of the mind, its desire for continuity. At each stage of our jorney the nature of the inns and outs is different, and at each stage it must be unmasked. All the time insights happen. All the time new hidden tricks are unmasked... To feel that there is nothing more to learn, to try to convince oneself that one is always " selfless " by trying to explain how the self is non-existent..etc...may be a hidrance of energy...a way to get stuck.. a manner of closing the door to new possibilities. After all there are infinite possibilities in this absolutely non-limited free and humble universe. Maybe I have not seen it all after all... -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:06 AM Re: |||\\\///||| Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > -Nis- where is it ever needed? by whom? ..b b.b. For instance..an effort to stop lying to onself. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > -Nis- where is it ever needed? by whom? ..b b.b. For instance..an effort to stop lying to onself. Turning the black light on in situations where I know I am asleep. Of course if I beleive I am always awake, there is seemingly no need. and...pehaps for some that is true...Not here though... -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:06 AM > Re: |||\\\///||| > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > > -Nis- > > where is it ever needed? > > by whom? > > .b b.b. > > For instance..an effort to stop lying to onself. > > -geo- the abyss is endless. effortlessly. no lie. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > > -Nis- > > where is it ever needed? > > by whom? > > .b b.b. > > For instance..an effort to stop lying to onself. > > -geo- the abyss is endless. effortlessly. no lie. ..b b.b. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | , , , , , , .. .. .. .. .. .. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > > > -Nis- > > > > where is it ever needed? > > > > by whom? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > For instance..an effort to stop lying to onself. > > > > -geo- > > the abyss is endless. > > effortlessly. > > no lie. > > .b b.b. > > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > , > , > , > , > , > , > . > . > . > . > . > . > -geo- no bottom geo either. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > > -Nis- > > where is it ever needed? > > by whom? > > .b b.b. > > For instance..an effort to stop lying to onself. > Turning the black light on in situations where I know I am asleep. > Of course if I beleive I am always awake, there is seemingly no need. > and...pehaps for some that is true...Not here though... > -geo- > nowhere there is an " i " is free from a lie. " i " IS lie. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 02, 2009 11:20 AM Re: |||\\\///||| Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > > -Nis- > > where is it ever needed? > > by whom? > > .b b.b. > > For instance..an effort to stop lying to onself. > Turning the black light on in situations where I know I am asleep. > Of course if I beleive I am always awake, there is seemingly no need. > and...pehaps for some that is true...Not here though... > -geo- > nowhere there is an " i " is free from a lie. " i " IS lie. ..b b.b. Yes. Situations where the I is are being described. With the black light on no lies. But without the light being on...it may say it is always awake: a lie. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 02, 2009 11:19 AM Re: |||\\\///||| Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > > > -Nis- > > > > where is it ever needed? > > > > by whom? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > For instance..an effort to stop lying to onself. > > > > -geo- > > the abyss is endless. > > effortlessly. > > no lie. > > .b b.b. > > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > , > , > , > , > , > , > . > . > . > . > . > . > -geo- no bottom geo either. ..b b.b. Oh yes... I am always there...waiting for you...at the bottom. ......uuuuaaaahhhhhhhhhaahhhhaaa!!!!!!..... > o o < O Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 11:19 AM > Re: |||\\\///||| > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > > > > -Nis- > > > > > > where is it ever needed? > > > > > > by whom? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > For instance..an effort to stop lying to onself. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > the abyss is endless. > > > > effortlessly. > > > > no lie. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > , > > , > > , > > , > > , > > , > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > -geo- > > no bottom geo either. > > .b b.b. > > Oh yes... I am always there...waiting for you...at the bottom. > .....uuuuaaaahhhhhhhhhaahhhhaaa!!!!!!..... > o o < > O > at the base of a bottomless pit? unfathomable! :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > -Nis- Once you are convinced that you cannot truthfully say anything except 'I am', and that nothing that can be pointed at, can be your Self, the need for the 'I am' is over -- you are no longer intent on verbalizing what you are. All you need is to get rid of the tendency to define yourself. All definitions apply to your body only and to its expressions. Once this obsession with the body goes, you will revert to your natural state, spontaneously and effortlessly. ... . Nisargadatta, Song of Beyond I Am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:06 AM > Re: |||\\\///||| > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > > -Nis- > > where is it ever needed? > > by whom? > > .b b.b. > > For instance..an effort to stop lying to onself. > > -geo- The only point to making an effort is when you reach the limit of the effort. At the limit of the effort, it ceases. Here is true effortlessness. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:06 AM > > Re: |||\\\///||| > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > > > -Nis- > > > > where is it ever needed? > > > > by whom? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > For instance..an effort to stop lying to onself. > > > > -geo- > > > the abyss is endless. > > effortlessly. > > no lie. > > .b b.b. it doesn't involve a human effort. it's not about a human being. it's not a reward for a human being. it is. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > > > -Nis- > > > > where is it ever needed? > > > > by whom? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > For instance..an effort to stop lying to onself. > > > > -geo- > > the abyss is endless. > > effortlessly. > > no lie. > > .b b.b. > > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > , > , > , > , > , > , > . > . > . > . > . > . > -geo- good one. only no " geo " at the end of it. " geo " = " ego " and it ain't there. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > > -Nis- > > Once you are convinced that you cannot truthfully say anything except 'I am', and that nothing that can be pointed at, can be your Self, the need for the 'I am' is over -- you are no longer intent on verbalizing what you are. All you need is to get rid of the tendency to define yourself. All definitions apply to your body only and to its expressions. Once this obsession with the body goes, you will revert to your natural state, spontaneously and effortlessly. ... . > > Nisargadatta, Song of Beyond I Am the natural state doesn't look for clues or quotes.. from little dead brown monkeys. get with " it " ! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:06 AM > > Re: |||\\\///||| > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > > > -Nis- > > > > where is it ever needed? > > > > by whom? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > For instance..an effort to stop lying to onself. > > > > -geo- > > The only point to making an effort is when you reach the limit of the effort. > > At the limit of the effort, it ceases. > > Here is true effortlessness. > > - D - " The only point to making an effort.. is when you reach the limit of the effort. " what the fuck is the point of that? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:06 AM > > > Re: |||\\\///||| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > > > > -Nis- > > > > > > where is it ever needed? > > > > > > by whom? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > For instance..an effort to stop lying to onself. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > the abyss is endless. > > > > effortlessly. > > > > no lie. > > > > .b b.b. > > > it doesn't involve a human effort. > > it's not about a human being. > > it's not a reward for a human being. > > it is. > > - D - who are you talking to? i wasn't talking about effort human or otherwise. that's what " effortless " means. you like to hear yourself talk. enjoy. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > > > > -Nis- > > > > > > where is it ever needed? > > > > > > by whom? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > For instance..an effort to stop lying to onself. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > the abyss is endless. > > > > effortlessly. > > > > no lie. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > , > > , > > , > > , > > , > > , > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > -geo- > > > good one. > > > only no " geo " at the end of it. > > " geo " = " ego " > > and it ain't there. > > > - D - do you think you're " all there " ? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > > > -Nis- > > > > Once you are convinced that you cannot truthfully say anything except 'I am', and that nothing that can be pointed at, can be your Self, the need for the 'I am' is over -- you are no longer intent on verbalizing what you are. All you need is to get rid of the tendency to define yourself. All definitions apply to your body only and to its expressions. Once this obsession with the body goes, you will revert to your natural state, spontaneously and effortlessly. ... . > > > > Nisargadatta, Song of Beyond I Am > > > the natural state doesn't look for clues or quotes.. > > from little dead brown monkeys. > > get with " it " ! > > .b b.b. nothing but it d Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:06 AM > > > Re: |||\\\///||| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > > > > -Nis- > > > > > > where is it ever needed? > > > > > > by whom? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > For instance..an effort to stop lying to onself. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > The only point to making an effort is when you reach the limit of the effort. > > > > At the limit of the effort, it ceases. > > > > Here is true effortlessness. > > > > - D - > > > " The only point to making an effort.. > > is when you reach the limit of the effort. " > > what the fuck is the point of that? > > .b b.b. releasing effort releasing self-will exhaustion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > > > > -Nis- > > > > > > Once you are convinced that you cannot truthfully say anything except 'I am', and that nothing that can be pointed at, can be your Self, the need for the 'I am' is over -- you are no longer intent on verbalizing what you are. All you need is to get rid of the tendency to define yourself. All definitions apply to your body only and to its expressions. Once this obsession with the body goes, you will revert to your natural state, spontaneously and effortlessly. ... . > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Song of Beyond I Am > > > > > > the natural state doesn't look for clues or quotes.. > > > > from little dead brown monkeys. > > > > get with " it " ! > > > > .b b.b. > > nothing but it > > d uh huh. right. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > > > > > -Nis- > > > > > > > > where is it ever needed? > > > > > > > > by whom? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > For instance..an effort to stop lying to onself. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > the abyss is endless. > > > > > > effortlessly. > > > > > > no lie. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > , > > > , > > > , > > > , > > > , > > > , > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > -geo- > > > > > > good one. > > > > > > only no " geo " at the end of it. > > > > " geo " = " ego " > > > > and it ain't there. > > > > > > - D - > > > do you think you're " all there " ? > > .b b.b. there is no division it's only all and none everywhere and anywhere Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > roberibus111 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:06 AM > > > > Re: |||\\\///||| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When effort is needed, effort will be there. > > > > > -Nis- > > > > > > > > where is it ever needed? > > > > > > > > by whom? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > For instance..an effort to stop lying to onself. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > The only point to making an effort is when you reach the limit of the effort. > > > > > > At the limit of the effort, it ceases. > > > > > > Here is true effortlessness. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > " The only point to making an effort.. > > > > is when you reach the limit of the effort. " > > > > what the fuck is the point of that? > > > > .b b.b. > > > releasing effort > > releasing self-will > > exhaustion for what? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
