Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > souldreamone@ > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:11 AM > > > Re: Re: The Big Hoper > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 6:18:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > inandor@ writes: > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 5:16:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > inandor@ writes: > > > > ****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be > > > > happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It > > > > happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other. > > > > It's > > > > a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it > > > > imagines into it's imaginary experience. > > > > > > The imaginary person is not doing the imagining. One could say " I Am " is. > > > > > > geo> The imaginary is doing the imagining. the dreamer is the dream > > > > > > ****Imaginary things aren't in possession of any talents at all and so > > > volitional force cannot be assigned to them. There must be something that is > > > not imaginary, something more fundamental that is the ultimate cause of > > > stuff such as imagining, which has to be 'prior to' the imaginary thingy. > > > > > > geo> It is it. > > > ***What is what? Hehe. > > > > > > geo> The same. > > > > Lots of dream characters here on this list, offering speculations about who they are and what the dream is. > > > > The dream doesn't know the actual. > > > > The actual doesn't need a dream character to know it. > > > > Never has, never will. > > > > Claims made by dream characters to be awake, are just another aspect of the dream, just like characters making claims to be screwed up and ignorant. > > > > Statements made about what is real in a dream, are no more or less dream than anything else being dreamed. > > > > Whenever a dream character asks, " who am I, what is this, where is it heading, what is real, " laughter echoes from nowhere. > > > > Whenever any answer is given, the laughter echoes. > > > > If you hear it, you aren't asking or answering. > > > > -- D. > > > you are dreaming that you are speculating... > > speculating that you are dreaming... > > i say old fellow bad form! > > .b b.b. you are dreaming that you are criticizing your dream. you dreamed you told it not to form like that. Dd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:09 PM > > Re: The Big Hoper > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 6:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > inandor@ writes: > > > > > > > geo> Hmmmm....I think this amazement is not necessarily a dream. It may > > > be > > > > an aspect of....IT. > > > > Just like other feelings alike. Even the sense of > > > > " searching " ....no... " wondering " ...may also be quite real. > > > > I think REAL man live with a ? above their heads. > > > > > > Your life is the ? > > > > > > Every experience throws you back to yourself. > > > > > > At the heart of the ? itself, is the answer. > > > > > > - D. > > > > > > > > > Sorry...no. The ? is beyond my life. That is what we are saying. The ? > > > may be part of the ground itself. > > > As if IT loved to ? See? > > > =geo= > > > > > > > > > > > > ****What 'it' loves is experience, which is a movement, and so whatever is > > > necessary to initiate and maintain a movement is what will happen. > > > Imagining dualistic polarities into existence and moving toward one pole > > > and away > > > from the other is great fun. Inventing a question and then seeking the > > > answer is cool too. Mental bifurcation is an endless source of movement, > > > as > > > we've seen here today. > > > > > > The dualistic polarities are unreal and the questions meaningless. > > > > The polarities are only as real as you make them. > > > > You are only as real as they make you. > > > > Statements of negation, saying nothing exists or everything is meaningless > > are also on one side of a polarity. > > > > -- D. > > > > geo> Yes. > > > but.. > > that yes is just one side of polarity no? > > :-) > > .b b.b. yenos nwrood Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, I get that schtick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there isn't any " isn't " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that all depends on what your definition of isn't isn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny. > > > > > > > > > > You made me laugh. > > > > > > > > > > Good work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara, > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > i didn't make you do anything. > > > > > > > > bad form! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > it's just a form of speech, bob. > > > > > > d. > > > > > > > > as in the movie " Hook " .. > > > > " bad form " was Hook's way of saying.. > > > > poor understanding and practice. > > > > nothing " makes " you do anything period peter dan. > > > > ..not even with your own tinkerbell. > > > > .b b.b. > > So, now according to you there is someone who is supposed to understand and practice. > > Whereas you've frequently made the point there is no one to understand anything, and nothing to understand. > > Clearly, this kind of communication can go back and forth ad infinitum between you and you. > > You can criticize a self you say isn't there for whatever it is you construe that self as doing, while you also say that this self doesn't exist or do anything. > > I'm not sure if you're working something out by doing this, but if so, good luck. > > -- D. you still believe in luck???? hellooooo oh oh! not according to me asshole.. according to Hook. do you not read? you're blowing this crap out your ass... and it stinks. are you fucking nuts? if i criticize a self that's nonexistent.. then we have my nonexistent self.. criticizing another nonexistent self. so what? how is that a problem for your nonexistent self? and what's the " it " you're certain is being " worked out " ? oh wait..it's " something " . brilliant....NOT. LOL! ..b b.b. p.s. a refresher: no one is doing anything to anyone.. including but not limited to a nonexistent self. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 6:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > inandor@ writes: > > > > > > > > > geo> Hmmmm....I think this amazement is not necessarily a dream. It may > > > > be > > > > > an aspect of....IT. > > > > > Just like other feelings alike. Even the sense of > > > > > " searching " ....no... " wondering " ...may also be quite real. > > > > > I think REAL man live with a ? above their heads. > > > > > > > > Your life is the ? > > > > > > > > Every experience throws you back to yourself. > > > > > > > > At the heart of the ? itself, is the answer. > > > > > > > > - D. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry...no. The ? is beyond my life. That is what we are saying. The ? > > > > may be part of the ground itself. > > > > As if IT loved to ? See? > > > > =geo= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ****What 'it' loves is experience, which is a movement, and so whatever is > > > > necessary to initiate and maintain a movement is what will happen. > > > > Imagining dualistic polarities into existence and moving toward one pole and away > > > > from the other is great fun. Inventing a question and then seeking the > > > > answer is cool too. Mental bifurcation is an endless source of movement, as > > > > we've seen here today. > > > > > > > > The dualistic polarities are unreal and the questions meaningless. > > > > > > The polarities are only as real as you make them. > > > > > > You are only as real as they make you. > > > > > > Statements of negation, saying nothing exists or everything is meaningless are also on one side of a polarity. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > do you know what a monopole is dan? > > > > do you know we have finally found the existence of one? > > > > check it out. > > > > try Scientific American. > > > > ONE polarity.....no " sides " . > > > > wonder how that can " be " > > > > it sort of negates the negative pole. > > > > isn't that a hoot. > > > > .b b.b. > > > The Moebius strip that Escher enjoyed etching. > > Two sides are one side. > > No polarity binds you. > > Two are one is none. > > -- D. the moon is the sun under a one two three is infinity. c'mon dan.. who said polarity " binds " anyone? you're talking to hear yourself talk and it's dumb shit. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > souldreamone@ > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:11 AM > > > > Re: Re: The Big Hoper > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 6:18:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > inandor@ writes: > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 5:16:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > inandor@ writes: > > > > > ****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be > > > > > happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It > > > > > happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other. > > > > > It's > > > > > a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it > > > > > imagines into it's imaginary experience. > > > > > > > > The imaginary person is not doing the imagining. One could say " I Am " is. > > > > > > > > geo> The imaginary is doing the imagining. the dreamer is the dream > > > > > > > > ****Imaginary things aren't in possession of any talents at all and so > > > > volitional force cannot be assigned to them. There must be something that is > > > > not imaginary, something more fundamental that is the ultimate cause of > > > > stuff such as imagining, which has to be 'prior to' the imaginary thingy. > > > > > > > > geo> It is it. > > > > ***What is what? Hehe. > > > > > > > > geo> The same. > > > > > > Lots of dream characters here on this list, offering speculations about who they are and what the dream is. > > > > > > The dream doesn't know the actual. > > > > > > The actual doesn't need a dream character to know it. > > > > > > Never has, never will. > > > > > > Claims made by dream characters to be awake, are just another aspect of the dream, just like characters making claims to be screwed up and ignorant. > > > > > > Statements made about what is real in a dream, are no more or less dream than anything else being dreamed. > > > > > > Whenever a dream character asks, " who am I, what is this, where is it heading, what is real, " laughter echoes from nowhere. > > > > > > Whenever any answer is given, the laughter echoes. > > > > > > If you hear it, you aren't asking or answering. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > you are dreaming that you are speculating... > > > > speculating that you are dreaming... > > > > i say old fellow bad form! > > > > .b b.b. > > you are dreaming that you are criticizing your dream. > > you dreamed you told it not to form like that. > > Dd. you're dreaming danny. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:09 PM > > > Re: The Big Hoper > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 6:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > inandor@ writes: > > > > > > > > > geo> Hmmmm....I think this amazement is not necessarily a dream. It may > > > > be > > > > > an aspect of....IT. > > > > > Just like other feelings alike. Even the sense of > > > > > " searching " ....no... " wondering " ...may also be quite real. > > > > > I think REAL man live with a ? above their heads. > > > > > > > > Your life is the ? > > > > > > > > Every experience throws you back to yourself. > > > > > > > > At the heart of the ? itself, is the answer. > > > > > > > > - D. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry...no. The ? is beyond my life. That is what we are saying. The ? > > > > may be part of the ground itself. > > > > As if IT loved to ? See? > > > > =geo= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ****What 'it' loves is experience, which is a movement, and so whatever is > > > > necessary to initiate and maintain a movement is what will happen. > > > > Imagining dualistic polarities into existence and moving toward one pole > > > > and away > > > > from the other is great fun. Inventing a question and then seeking the > > > > answer is cool too. Mental bifurcation is an endless source of movement, > > > > as > > > > we've seen here today. > > > > > > > > The dualistic polarities are unreal and the questions meaningless. > > > > > > The polarities are only as real as you make them. > > > > > > You are only as real as they make you. > > > > > > Statements of negation, saying nothing exists or everything is meaningless > > > are also on one side of a polarity. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > geo> Yes. > > > > > > but.. > > > > that yes is just one side of polarity no? > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > yenos > > nwrood well you're making more sense than usual anyway. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:43 PM Re: The Big Hoper Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > geo> No. I am not conceptualizing. The step from movement to > > non-movement > > is > > a quantum leap. You can not " step out " of time taking time. That would > > be > > absurd. > > Well, that's just it. > > Anything we say takes time to be read, processed, comprehended. > > -- D. > > This raises an issue I have tried to understand for some time. When one is > formulating words to express something that is non-temporal. It seems that > there is a kind of waving movement...in time to pick words > expressions..think about the best way to put it..then insight...out of > time...seeing...back to time again. It is a very subtle kind of process. > -geo- D: Finding language for the un-language-able. A fool's errand. Don Quixote tilting at windmills. geo> Nonetheless the right words in the right context may point to something.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 - souldreamone Nisargadatta Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:00 PM Re: Re: The Big Hoper In a message dated 5/28/2009 2:38:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, inandor writes: ****I don't know anything about the nature of that intelligence. Since it is the source of qualities, it is, itself, qualityless. That which is looking for the looker is the looker. That's part of what I've been trying to say with imaginary things doing the imagining. There's just one 'thing', and it's ultimately responsible for everything. Since there is no time, this same non-thing is doing all the doingness now. That intelligence/presence is writing, reading, perceiving, imagining, etc. There isn't anything else. However, between the source of the thought in 'your' head, and the thought itself, is a radical paradigm shift from the nonlinear to the linear. The source of thoughts is not, itself, thinking. The source of time/space is not, itself, operating in time, nor could it be anywhere but here. 'We', of course, are that source rather than the expression. Again, that's just plain language, not intended to keep me out of trouble. Hehe. geo> I think what you write is fact. Yes that intelligence is so far removed from humaninty that.....ther is nothing we cold say about it - nonetheless is here. What you describe, if taken deeply far enough is like being consciusness, is not it? I am all manifestation. I am the world. But the danger here is that one could say so without meditating it. Then is just like saying god is in me, or i am god... and keep on with the show as a separate entity. ****I'm probly picking on words again, but I wouldn't even say far removed, even in the sense of being unthinkable, which I 'think' is how you meant it. That intelligence is empty of mind objects simply because it is prior to all mind objects; the source of all thoughts and perceptions. This means that everything is made up in the expression and has no relevance to the source of the expression, so nothing we can think has anything to do with the source, not really because the source is inconceivable, but because it is prior to conception. geo> This is interesting really...yes. In the other hand..consider: everything, anything, any no-thing, any -blablabal, all possiblities, even all non-possibilities are there in potencial. So when you say that " has no relevance to the source of the expression " ....well it is interesting. There must be some conection for sure. === Yeah, since Consciousness, Awareness, whatever, is all there is, I/you/we have to be that one 'thingy'. Bye, bye personhood, volition, free will. geo> Are able to say that the world is you and you are the world....I mean...there is only you? Not as a conclusion as when you say " since " ...but actually, perceptually? We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you say in many different ways, the word " bullshit " over and over. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes i do. > > > > > > > > > > how astute of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bullshit, up yours, there isn't any, there is no ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you're offended? > > > > > > > > no, much of it is worthless to me, just taking up space - sometimes it's amusing. > > > > > > > > > > i get your talk. > > > > > > > > > > > > love you. > > > > > > > > > > > > one only lets go as much as one is able to let go. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try to let go a little more dan. > > > > > > > > you don't believe there is any dan here. > > > > > > > > you don't believe any of this conversation is occurring. > > > > > > > > > > it can't be forced. > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing anyone says will help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i've discovered this in your case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying there is nothing to let go, and no one to let anything go, > > > > > > > > > > > > does not release all the baggage ... > > > > > > > > > > > > the baggage is in the repeated attempts, > > > > > > > > > > > > the repeated concepts, > > > > > > > > > > > > the repetition compulsion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's inclusive dan. > > > > > > > > > > everlastingness that is ephemeral.. > > > > > > > > > > beginningless endingless somethingless nothingness. > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > i think you're reading your own repetitions... > > > > > > > > > > your own compulsions.... > > > > > > > > > > your own repeated concepts.. > > > > > > > > > > that change when challenged. > > > > > > > > > > you carry a steamer trunk. > > > > > > > > > > that's a lot of big baggage danny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it has to be lived through. > > > > > > > > > > > > there's no other way out but through. > > > > > > > > > > > > yours in mutual compassion, > > > > > > > > > > > > d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual my ass. > > > > > > > > > > compassion is for fools that think there are " others " . > > > > > > > > > > " others " who have need of " their " good will. > > > > > > > > > > what a load of.. > > > > > > > > > > well i don't want to offend your sensibilities. > > > > > > > > > > dream on dan. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > yes, I understand your stance that all of this is unreal, bob, and there is no your or me. > > > > > > > > Love to you and All -- > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > no you don't understand dan. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > no one understands. > > > > d. > > > > you're right. > > no one is the one who understands. > > i know no one. > > no one is a friend of mine. > > and you danny are no no one. > > .b b.b. LOL. It takes a no one not to know a nobody. I ain't got nobody, and ain't nobody's got me. Nobody knows what the definition of ain't, ain't. -- D. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, I get that schtick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there isn't any " isn't " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that all depends on what your definition of isn't isn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny. > > > > > > > > > > > > You made me laugh. > > > > > > > > > > > > Good work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara, > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i didn't make you do anything. > > > > > > > > > > bad form! > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > it's just a form of speech, bob. > > > > > > > > d. > > > > > > > > > > > > as in the movie " Hook " .. > > > > > > " bad form " was Hook's way of saying.. > > > > > > poor understanding and practice. > > > > > > nothing " makes " you do anything period peter dan. > > > > > > ..not even with your own tinkerbell. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > So, now according to you there is someone who is supposed to understand and practice. > > > > Whereas you've frequently made the point there is no one to understand anything, and nothing to understand. > > > > Clearly, this kind of communication can go back and forth ad infinitum between you and you. > > > > You can criticize a self you say isn't there for whatever it is you construe that self as doing, while you also say that this self doesn't exist or do anything. > > > > I'm not sure if you're working something out by doing this, but if so, good luck. > > > > -- D. > > > you still believe in luck???? > > hellooooo oh oh! > > not according to me asshole.. > > according to Hook. > > do you not read? > > you're blowing this crap out your ass... > > and it stinks. > > are you fucking nuts? > > if i criticize a self that's nonexistent.. > > then we have my nonexistent self.. > > criticizing another nonexistent self. > > so what? > > how is that a problem for your nonexistent self? > > and what's the " it " you're certain is being " worked out " ? > > oh wait..it's " something " . > > brilliant....NOT. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > > p.s. > > a refresher: > > no one is doing anything to anyone.. > > including but not limited to a nonexistent self. Yes, you are blowing this out your ass. I most definitely agree. And I enjoy seeing you laugh and fart. Good show, old chap. Dd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, I get that schtick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there isn't any " isn't " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that all depends on what your definition of isn't isn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You made me laugh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i didn't make you do anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > bad form! > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > it's just a form of speech, bob. > > > > > > > > > > d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as in the movie " Hook " .. > > > > > > > > " bad form " was Hook's way of saying.. > > > > > > > > poor understanding and practice. > > > > > > > > nothing " makes " you do anything period peter dan. > > > > > > > > ..not even with your own tinkerbell. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > So, now according to you there is someone who is supposed to understand and practice. > > > > > > Whereas you've frequently made the point there is no one to understand anything, and nothing to understand. > > > > > > Clearly, this kind of communication can go back and forth ad infinitum between you and you. > > > > > > You can criticize a self you say isn't there for whatever it is you construe that self as doing, while you also say that this self doesn't exist or do anything. > > > > > > I'm not sure if you're working something out by doing this, but if so, good luck. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > you still believe in luck???? > > > > hellooooo oh oh! > > > > not according to me asshole.. > > > > according to Hook. > > > > do you not read? > > > > you're blowing this crap out your ass... > > > > and it stinks. > > > > are you fucking nuts? > > > > if i criticize a self that's nonexistent.. > > > > then we have my nonexistent self.. > > > > criticizing another nonexistent self. > > > > so what? > > > > how is that a problem for your nonexistent self? > > > > and what's the " it " you're certain is being " worked out " ? > > > > oh wait..it's " something " . > > > > brilliant....NOT. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > p.s. > > > > a refresher: > > > > no one is doing anything to anyone.. > > > > including but not limited to a nonexistent self. > > > Yes, you are blowing this out your ass. > > I most definitely agree. > > And I enjoy seeing you laugh and fart. > > Good show, old chap. > > > Dd. and you are full of shit. bad form young man. try and come up with your own material. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 6:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > > inandor@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Hmmmm....I think this amazement is not necessarily a dream. It may > > > > > be > > > > > > an aspect of....IT. > > > > > > Just like other feelings alike. Even the sense of > > > > > > " searching " ....no... " wondering " ...may also be quite real. > > > > > > I think REAL man live with a ? above their heads. > > > > > > > > > > Your life is the ? > > > > > > > > > > Every experience throws you back to yourself. > > > > > > > > > > At the heart of the ? itself, is the answer. > > > > > > > > > > - D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry...no. The ? is beyond my life. That is what we are saying. The ? > > > > > may be part of the ground itself. > > > > > As if IT loved to ? See? > > > > > =geo= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ****What 'it' loves is experience, which is a movement, and so whatever is > > > > > necessary to initiate and maintain a movement is what will happen. > > > > > Imagining dualistic polarities into existence and moving toward one pole and away > > > > > from the other is great fun. Inventing a question and then seeking the > > > > > answer is cool too. Mental bifurcation is an endless source of movement, as > > > > > we've seen here today. > > > > > > > > > > The dualistic polarities are unreal and the questions meaningless. > > > > > > > > The polarities are only as real as you make them. > > > > > > > > You are only as real as they make you. > > > > > > > > Statements of negation, saying nothing exists or everything is meaningless are also on one side of a polarity. > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > do you know what a monopole is dan? > > > > > > do you know we have finally found the existence of one? > > > > > > check it out. > > > > > > try Scientific American. > > > > > > ONE polarity.....no " sides " . > > > > > > wonder how that can " be " > > > > > > it sort of negates the negative pole. > > > > > > isn't that a hoot. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > The Moebius strip that Escher enjoyed etching. > > > > Two sides are one side. > > > > No polarity binds you. > > > > Two are one is none. > > > > -- D. > > > the moon is the sun under a one two three is infinity. > > c'mon dan.. > > who said polarity " binds " anyone? > > you're talking to hear yourself talk and it's dumb shit. > > .b b.b. Who said? You know who said. It's a good friend of yours. -- Dd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > souldreamone@ > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:11 AM > > > > > Re: Re: The Big Hoper > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 6:18:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > > inandor@ writes: > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 5:16:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > > inandor@ writes: > > > > > > ****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be > > > > > > happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It > > > > > > happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other. > > > > > > It's > > > > > > a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it > > > > > > imagines into it's imaginary experience. > > > > > > > > > > The imaginary person is not doing the imagining. One could say " I Am " is. > > > > > > > > > > geo> The imaginary is doing the imagining. the dreamer is the dream > > > > > > > > > > ****Imaginary things aren't in possession of any talents at all and so > > > > > volitional force cannot be assigned to them. There must be something that is > > > > > not imaginary, something more fundamental that is the ultimate cause of > > > > > stuff such as imagining, which has to be 'prior to' the imaginary thingy. > > > > > > > > > > geo> It is it. > > > > > ***What is what? Hehe. > > > > > > > > > > geo> The same. > > > > > > > > Lots of dream characters here on this list, offering speculations about who they are and what the dream is. > > > > > > > > The dream doesn't know the actual. > > > > > > > > The actual doesn't need a dream character to know it. > > > > > > > > Never has, never will. > > > > > > > > Claims made by dream characters to be awake, are just another aspect of the dream, just like characters making claims to be screwed up and ignorant. > > > > > > > > Statements made about what is real in a dream, are no more or less dream than anything else being dreamed. > > > > > > > > Whenever a dream character asks, " who am I, what is this, where is it heading, what is real, " laughter echoes from nowhere. > > > > > > > > Whenever any answer is given, the laughter echoes. > > > > > > > > If you hear it, you aren't asking or answering. > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > you are dreaming that you are speculating... > > > > > > speculating that you are dreaming... > > > > > > i say old fellow bad form! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > you are dreaming that you are criticizing your dream. > > > > you dreamed you told it not to form like that. > > > > Dd. > > > you're dreaming danny. > > .b b.b. No you're dreaming danny. I'm dreaming bobby. Check it out with your good friend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 6:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > > > inandor@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Hmmmm....I think this amazement is not necessarily a dream. It may > > > > > > be > > > > > > > an aspect of....IT. > > > > > > > Just like other feelings alike. Even the sense of > > > > > > > " searching " ....no... " wondering " ...may also be quite real. > > > > > > > I think REAL man live with a ? above their heads. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your life is the ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Every experience throws you back to yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > At the heart of the ? itself, is the answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry...no. The ? is beyond my life. That is what we are saying. The ? > > > > > > may be part of the ground itself. > > > > > > As if IT loved to ? See? > > > > > > =geo= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ****What 'it' loves is experience, which is a movement, and so whatever is > > > > > > necessary to initiate and maintain a movement is what will happen. > > > > > > Imagining dualistic polarities into existence and moving toward one pole and away > > > > > > from the other is great fun. Inventing a question and then seeking the > > > > > > answer is cool too. Mental bifurcation is an endless source of movement, as > > > > > > we've seen here today. > > > > > > > > > > > > The dualistic polarities are unreal and the questions meaningless. > > > > > > > > > > The polarities are only as real as you make them. > > > > > > > > > > You are only as real as they make you. > > > > > > > > > > Statements of negation, saying nothing exists or everything is meaningless are also on one side of a polarity. > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > do you know what a monopole is dan? > > > > > > > > do you know we have finally found the existence of one? > > > > > > > > check it out. > > > > > > > > try Scientific American. > > > > > > > > ONE polarity.....no " sides " . > > > > > > > > wonder how that can " be " > > > > > > > > it sort of negates the negative pole. > > > > > > > > isn't that a hoot. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > The Moebius strip that Escher enjoyed etching. > > > > > > Two sides are one side. > > > > > > No polarity binds you. > > > > > > Two are one is none. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > the moon is the sun under a one two three is infinity. > > > > c'mon dan.. > > > > who said polarity " binds " anyone? > > > > you're talking to hear yourself talk and it's dumb shit. > > > > .b b.b. > > > Who said? > > You know who said. > > It's a good friend of yours. > > -- Dd. you said. not " nobody " danny...you did. don't try to bullshit. you wiggle and waggle... first this... then that... and then another. you just want to hear yourself as was said. accept the fact. you're not bound by the polarities of right and wrong. you're just plain wrong. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, I get that schtick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there isn't any " isn't " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that all depends on what your definition of isn't isn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You made me laugh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i didn't make you do anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad form! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's just a form of speech, bob. > > > > > > > > > > > > d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as in the movie " Hook " .. > > > > > > > > > > " bad form " was Hook's way of saying.. > > > > > > > > > > poor understanding and practice. > > > > > > > > > > nothing " makes " you do anything period peter dan. > > > > > > > > > > ..not even with your own tinkerbell. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > So, now according to you there is someone who is supposed to understand and practice. > > > > > > > > Whereas you've frequently made the point there is no one to understand anything, and nothing to understand. > > > > > > > > Clearly, this kind of communication can go back and forth ad infinitum between you and you. > > > > > > > > You can criticize a self you say isn't there for whatever it is you construe that self as doing, while you also say that this self doesn't exist or do anything. > > > > > > > > I'm not sure if you're working something out by doing this, but if so, good luck. > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > you still believe in luck???? > > > > > > hellooooo oh oh! > > > > > > not according to me asshole.. > > > > > > according to Hook. > > > > > > do you not read? > > > > > > you're blowing this crap out your ass... > > > > > > and it stinks. > > > > > > are you fucking nuts? > > > > > > if i criticize a self that's nonexistent.. > > > > > > then we have my nonexistent self.. > > > > > > criticizing another nonexistent self. > > > > > > so what? > > > > > > how is that a problem for your nonexistent self? > > > > > > and what's the " it " you're certain is being " worked out " ? > > > > > > oh wait..it's " something " . > > > > > > brilliant....NOT. > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > p.s. > > > > > > a refresher: > > > > > > no one is doing anything to anyone.. > > > > > > including but not limited to a nonexistent self. > > > > > > Yes, you are blowing this out your ass. > > > > I most definitely agree. > > > > And I enjoy seeing you laugh and fart. > > > > Good show, old chap. > > > > > > Dd. > > > and you are full of shit. > > bad form young man. > > try and come up with your own material. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. I'll leave that to you. Your shit don't stink. So keep throwing it on the walls. Dd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 6:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > > > > inandor@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Hmmmm....I think this amazement is not necessarily a dream. It may > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > an aspect of....IT. > > > > > > > > Just like other feelings alike. Even the sense of > > > > > > > > " searching " ....no... " wondering " ...may also be quite real. > > > > > > > > I think REAL man live with a ? above their heads. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your life is the ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every experience throws you back to yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the heart of the ? itself, is the answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry...no. The ? is beyond my life. That is what we are saying. The ? > > > > > > > may be part of the ground itself. > > > > > > > As if IT loved to ? See? > > > > > > > =geo= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ****What 'it' loves is experience, which is a movement, and so whatever is > > > > > > > necessary to initiate and maintain a movement is what will happen. > > > > > > > Imagining dualistic polarities into existence and moving toward one pole and away > > > > > > > from the other is great fun. Inventing a question and then seeking the > > > > > > > answer is cool too. Mental bifurcation is an endless source of movement, as > > > > > > > we've seen here today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dualistic polarities are unreal and the questions meaningless. > > > > > > > > > > > > The polarities are only as real as you make them. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are only as real as they make you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Statements of negation, saying nothing exists or everything is meaningless are also on one side of a polarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you know what a monopole is dan? > > > > > > > > > > do you know we have finally found the existence of one? > > > > > > > > > > check it out. > > > > > > > > > > try Scientific American. > > > > > > > > > > ONE polarity.....no " sides " . > > > > > > > > > > wonder how that can " be " > > > > > > > > > > it sort of negates the negative pole. > > > > > > > > > > isn't that a hoot. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Moebius strip that Escher enjoyed etching. > > > > > > > > Two sides are one side. > > > > > > > > No polarity binds you. > > > > > > > > Two are one is none. > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > the moon is the sun under a one two three is infinity. > > > > > > c'mon dan.. > > > > > > who said polarity " binds " anyone? > > > > > > you're talking to hear yourself talk and it's dumb shit. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Who said? > > > > You know who said. > > > > It's a good friend of yours. > > > > -- Dd. > > > you said. > > not " nobody " danny...you did. > > don't try to bullshit. > > you wiggle and waggle... > > first this... then that... and then another. > > you just want to hear yourself as was said. > > accept the fact. > > you're not bound by the polarities of right and wrong. > > you're just plain wrong. > > .b b.b. Bye-bye. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > souldreamone@ > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:11 AM > > > > > > Re: Re: The Big Hoper > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 6:18:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > > > inandor@ writes: > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 5:16:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > > > inandor@ writes: > > > > > > > ****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be > > > > > > > happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It > > > > > > > happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other. > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it > > > > > > > imagines into it's imaginary experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > The imaginary person is not doing the imagining. One could say " I Am " is. > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> The imaginary is doing the imagining. the dreamer is the dream > > > > > > > > > > > > ****Imaginary things aren't in possession of any talents at all and so > > > > > > volitional force cannot be assigned to them. There must be something that is > > > > > > not imaginary, something more fundamental that is the ultimate cause of > > > > > > stuff such as imagining, which has to be 'prior to' the imaginary thingy. > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> It is it. > > > > > > ***What is what? Hehe. > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> The same. > > > > > > > > > > Lots of dream characters here on this list, offering speculations about who they are and what the dream is. > > > > > > > > > > The dream doesn't know the actual. > > > > > > > > > > The actual doesn't need a dream character to know it. > > > > > > > > > > Never has, never will. > > > > > > > > > > Claims made by dream characters to be awake, are just another aspect of the dream, just like characters making claims to be screwed up and ignorant. > > > > > > > > > > Statements made about what is real in a dream, are no more or less dream than anything else being dreamed. > > > > > > > > > > Whenever a dream character asks, " who am I, what is this, where is it heading, what is real, " laughter echoes from nowhere. > > > > > > > > > > Whenever any answer is given, the laughter echoes. > > > > > > > > > > If you hear it, you aren't asking or answering. > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > you are dreaming that you are speculating... > > > > > > > > speculating that you are dreaming... > > > > > > > > i say old fellow bad form! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > you are dreaming that you are criticizing your dream. > > > > > > you dreamed you told it not to form like that. > > > > > > Dd. > > > > > > you're dreaming danny. > > > > .b b.b. > > > No you're dreaming danny. > > I'm dreaming bobby. > > Check it out with your good friend. no danny.. you're not dreaming anything. you're bullshitting. you don't know my friend. it's impolite to bring nobody into this when you're a stranger. dan.. this old mirror crap.. and the i am you and you are me and we are altogether crap.. and the dreaming crap.. in point of fact.. your total shtick... is old an tired and worn out and phony. i'm being kind. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, I get that schtick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there isn't any " isn't " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that all depends on what your definition of isn't isn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You made me laugh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i didn't make you do anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad form! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's just a form of speech, bob. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as in the movie " Hook " .. > > > > > > > > > > > > " bad form " was Hook's way of saying.. > > > > > > > > > > > > poor understanding and practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing " makes " you do anything period peter dan. > > > > > > > > > > > > ..not even with your own tinkerbell. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > So, now according to you there is someone who is supposed to understand and practice. > > > > > > > > > > Whereas you've frequently made the point there is no one to understand anything, and nothing to understand. > > > > > > > > > > Clearly, this kind of communication can go back and forth ad infinitum between you and you. > > > > > > > > > > You can criticize a self you say isn't there for whatever it is you construe that self as doing, while you also say that this self doesn't exist or do anything. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure if you're working something out by doing this, but if so, good luck. > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > you still believe in luck???? > > > > > > > > hellooooo oh oh! > > > > > > > > not according to me asshole.. > > > > > > > > according to Hook. > > > > > > > > do you not read? > > > > > > > > you're blowing this crap out your ass... > > > > > > > > and it stinks. > > > > > > > > are you fucking nuts? > > > > > > > > if i criticize a self that's nonexistent.. > > > > > > > > then we have my nonexistent self.. > > > > > > > > criticizing another nonexistent self. > > > > > > > > so what? > > > > > > > > how is that a problem for your nonexistent self? > > > > > > > > and what's the " it " you're certain is being " worked out " ? > > > > > > > > oh wait..it's " something " . > > > > > > > > brilliant....NOT. > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > p.s. > > > > > > > > a refresher: > > > > > > > > no one is doing anything to anyone.. > > > > > > > > including but not limited to a nonexistent self. > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are blowing this out your ass. > > > > > > I most definitely agree. > > > > > > And I enjoy seeing you laugh and fart. > > > > > > Good show, old chap. > > > > > > > > > Dd. > > > > > > and you are full of shit. > > > > bad form young man. > > > > try and come up with your own material. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > I'll leave that to you. > > Your shit don't stink. > > So keep throwing it on the walls. > > Dd. now you're a wall? i do come up with my own material. you try and reuse it...on me! that's fucking stupid. you wouldn't make a very good thief dan. you get caught by everyone. but you then become a weasel.. and say that that's not what you said and and and.. you know danny... you throw shit at yourself. and at this you seem successful. it seems to work for you. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 6:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > > > > > inandor@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Hmmmm....I think this amazement is not necessarily a dream. It may > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > an aspect of....IT. > > > > > > > > > Just like other feelings alike. Even the sense of > > > > > > > > > " searching " ....no... " wondering " ...may also be quite real. > > > > > > > > > I think REAL man live with a ? above their heads. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your life is the ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every experience throws you back to yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the heart of the ? itself, is the answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry...no. The ? is beyond my life. That is what we are saying. The ? > > > > > > > > may be part of the ground itself. > > > > > > > > As if IT loved to ? See? > > > > > > > > =geo= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ****What 'it' loves is experience, which is a movement, and so whatever is > > > > > > > > necessary to initiate and maintain a movement is what will happen. > > > > > > > > Imagining dualistic polarities into existence and moving toward one pole and away > > > > > > > > from the other is great fun. Inventing a question and then seeking the > > > > > > > > answer is cool too. Mental bifurcation is an endless source of movement, as > > > > > > > > we've seen here today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dualistic polarities are unreal and the questions meaningless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The polarities are only as real as you make them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are only as real as they make you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Statements of negation, saying nothing exists or everything is meaningless are also on one side of a polarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you know what a monopole is dan? > > > > > > > > > > > > do you know we have finally found the existence of one? > > > > > > > > > > > > check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > try Scientific American. > > > > > > > > > > > > ONE polarity.....no " sides " . > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder how that can " be " > > > > > > > > > > > > it sort of negates the negative pole. > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't that a hoot. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Moebius strip that Escher enjoyed etching. > > > > > > > > > > Two sides are one side. > > > > > > > > > > No polarity binds you. > > > > > > > > > > Two are one is none. > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > the moon is the sun under a one two three is infinity. > > > > > > > > c'mon dan.. > > > > > > > > who said polarity " binds " anyone? > > > > > > > > you're talking to hear yourself talk and it's dumb shit. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > Who said? > > > > > > You know who said. > > > > > > It's a good friend of yours. > > > > > > -- Dd. > > > > > > you said. > > > > not " nobody " danny...you did. > > > > don't try to bullshit. > > > > you wiggle and waggle... > > > > first this... then that... and then another. > > > > you just want to hear yourself as was said. > > > > accept the fact. > > > > you're not bound by the polarities of right and wrong. > > > > you're just plain wrong. > > > > .b b.b. > > Bye-bye. oh you'll be back. you won't be able to stop yourself from coming back. you're trapped. there is no escaping. but i give you permission to be quiet for a spell. i'll let you know if it's ok when you return. until that time. even though there is no such thing as.. nah. let's leave that for that " other " time. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 - souldreamone Nisargadatta Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:36 PM Re: Re: The Big Hoper In a message dated 5/28/2009 5:28:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, inandor writes: ****I'm probly picking on words again, but I wouldn't even say far removed, even in the sense of being unthinkable, which I 'think' is how you meant it. That intelligence is empty of mind objects simply because it is prior to all mind objects; the source of all thoughts and perceptions. This means that everything is made up in the expression and has no relevance to the source of the expression, so nothing we can think has anything to do with the source, not really because the source is inconceivable, but because it is prior to conception. geo> This is interesting really...yes. In the other hand..consider: everything, anything, any no-thing, any -blablabal, all possiblities, even all non-possibilities are there in potencial. So when you say that " has no relevance to the source of the expression " ....well it is interesting. There must be some conection for sure. ****Welp, more than a connection when it's infinite potential actualized, but the deal is, everything is made up out of nothing. Dualistic pairs are necessary because nothing has any meaning beyond form, and the polarities are used to define each other. The reference for everything is also made up and is included as one of the dualistic poles. === Yeah, since Consciousness, Awareness, whatever, is all there is, I/you/we have to be that one 'thingy'. Bye, bye personhood, volition, free will. geo> Are able to say that the world is you and you are the world....I mean...there is only you? Not as a conclusion as when you say " since " ...but actually, perceptually? ****It's an extremely odd mix of clarity and ignorance here, the clarity being nearly complete, which is to say absent it's Wholeness. The blind spots are strategically positioned and carefully held in place, and I can see this clearly as well. When I'm ready to shift my gaze and look at what hasn't been seen, then i will. I have nothing at all to do with it. As I say, very odd. geo> Yea...that is the way it goes. Insight is instantaneous but intellectual understanding paves the way. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 29/5/2009 07:26:24 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > souldreamone > Nisargadatta > Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:36 PM > Re: Re: The Big Hoper > In a message dated 5/28/2009 5:28:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > inandor writes: > ****I'm probly picking on words again, but I wouldn't even say far removed, > even in the sense of being unthinkable, which I 'think' is how you meant it. > That intelligence is empty of mind objects simply because it is prior to all > mind objects; the source of all thoughts and perceptions. This means that > everything is made up in the expression and has no relevance to the source > of the expression, so nothing we can think has anything to do with the > source, not really because the source is inconceivable, but because it is > prior to conception. > > geo> This is interesting really...yes. In the other hand..consider: > everything, anything, any no-thing, any -blablabal, all possiblities, even > all non-possibilities are there in potencial. So when you say that " has no > relevance to the source of the expression " ....well it is interesting. There > must be some conection for sure. > ****Welp, more than a connection when it's infinite potential actualized, > but the deal is, everything is made up out of nothing. Dualistic pairs are > necessary because nothing has any meaning beyond form, and the polarities > are used to define each other. The reference for everything is also made up > and is included as one of the dualistic poles. > > > === > Yeah, since Consciousness, Awareness, whatever, is all there is, I/you/we > have to be that one 'thingy'. Bye, bye personhood, volition, free will. > > geo> Are able to say that the world is you and you are the world....I > mean...there is only you? Not as a conclusion as when you say " since " ...but > actually, perceptually? > > ****It's an extremely odd mix of clarity and ignorance here, the clarity > being nearly complete, which is to say absent it's Wholeness. The blind > spots are strategically positioned and carefully held in place, and I can > see this clearly as well. When I'm ready to shift my gaze and look at what > hasn't been seen, then i will. I have nothing at all to do with it. As I > say, very odd. > > geo> Yea...that is the way it goes. Insight is instantaneous but > intellectual understanding paves the way. the intellect undermines itself through self-inquiry. the giving up of intellectual grasping allows an opening. that is all. .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
