Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 - billrishel Nisargadatta Monday, May 18, 2009 4:06 PM Re: You know more then I do Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > You must know much more then I do. > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > No hope?, I say... > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > a new heart to feel. > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this > empty bag, you say. > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > You say all is well.. > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > -geo- Nice bit of writing geo... which reminds me of a story: One day a student asked his Master, " Tell me Master, what is it to achieve enlightenment? " The Master replied, " It is the dying the 'little death' " " But tell me Master, " the student asked, " How can I die the 'little death'? " " Impossible! " the Master rebuked, " There's nothing you can do. Your situation is hopeless. " The student was devastated, all his hopes of attaining enlightenment drained away. Bill geo> I like this. Specially the expression 'little death'. What is in your perception the big death? avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090513-0, 13/05/2009 Tested on: 18/5/2009 16:10:07 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > billrishel > Nisargadatta > Monday, May 18, 2009 4:06 PM > Re: You know more then I do Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > You must know much more then I do. > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > > No hope?, I say... > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > > a new heart to feel. > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just > this > > empty bag, you say. > > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > > > You say all is well.. > > > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > > -geo- > > Nice bit of writing geo... which reminds me of a story: > > One day a student asked his Master, " Tell me Master, what is it to > achieve enlightenment? " > > The Master replied, " It is the dying the 'little death' " > > " But tell me Master, " the student asked, " How can I die the 'little > death'? " > > " Impossible! " the Master rebuked, " There's nothing you can do. Your > situation > is hopeless. " > > The student was devastated, all his hopes of attaining enlightenment > drained > away. > > Bill > > geo> I like this. Specially the expression 'little death'. > What is in your perception the big death? > > > > > The student and the attempt to gain enlightenment is the same phenomenon. Once the non-existence of the concept " enlightenment " is seen....the " student " loses its opacity. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 <snip> > > Nice bit of writing geo... which reminds me of a story: > > One day a student asked his Master, " Tell me Master, what is it to > achieve enlightenment? " > > The Master replied, " It is the dying the 'little death' " > > " But tell me Master, " the student asked, " How can I die the 'little > death'? " > > " Impossible! " the Master rebuked, " There's nothing you can do. Your > situation > is hopeless. " > > The student was devastated, all his hopes of attaining enlightenment > drained > away. > > Bill > > geo> I like this. Specially the expression 'little death'. > What is in your perception the big death? I use the notion of the " little death " as in contrast to mortal or physical death. Terms are relative. One could just as well refer to physical death as the " little death " and the other as the " great death " . Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > <snip> > > > > Nice bit of writing geo... which reminds me of a story: > > > > One day a student asked his Master, " Tell me Master, what is it to > > achieve enlightenment? " > > > > The Master replied, " It is the dying the 'little death' " > > > > " But tell me Master, " the student asked, " How can I die the 'little > > death'? " > > > > " Impossible! " the Master rebuked, " There's nothing you can do. Your > > situation > > is hopeless. " > > > > The student was devastated, all his hopes of attaining enlightenment > > drained > > away. > > > > Bill > > > > geo> I like this. Specially the expression 'little death'. > > What is in your perception the big death? > > I use the notion of the " little death " as in contrast to > mortal or physical death. > > Terms are relative. One could just as well refer to physical > death as the " little death " and the other as the " great death " . > > Bill > I have a question. If the sense of self never existed.......what actually dies? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > <snip> > > > > Nice bit of writing geo... which reminds me of a story: > > > > One day a student asked his Master, " Tell me Master, what is it to > > achieve enlightenment? " > > > > The Master replied, " It is the dying the 'little death' " > > > > " But tell me Master, " the student asked, " How can I die the 'little > > death'? " > > > > " Impossible! " the Master rebuked, " There's nothing you can do. Your > > situation > > is hopeless. " > > > > The student was devastated, all his hopes of attaining enlightenment > > drained > > away. > > > > Bill > > > > geo> I like this. Specially the expression 'little death'. > > What is in your perception the big death? > > I use the notion of the " little death " as in contrast to > mortal or physical death. > > Terms are relative. One could just as well refer to physical > death as the " little death " and the other as the " great death " . > > Bill the little death is also French for orgasm.. la petite mort... the refractory period occurring during sex. it's just as great as the Great Death. but you gotta not be there to understand... either one. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 - billrishel Nisargadatta Monday, May 18, 2009 4:48 PM Re: You know more then I do <snip> > > Nice bit of writing geo... which reminds me of a story: > > One day a student asked his Master, " Tell me Master, what is it to > achieve enlightenment? " > > The Master replied, " It is the dying the 'little death' " > > " But tell me Master, " the student asked, " How can I die the 'little > death'? " > > " Impossible! " the Master rebuked, " There's nothing you can do. Your > situation > is hopeless. " > > The student was devastated, all his hopes of attaining enlightenment > drained > away. > > Bill > > geo> I like this. Specially the expression 'little death'. > What is in your perception the big death? I use the notion of the " little death " as in contrast to mortal or physical death. Terms are relative. One could just as well refer to physical death as the " little death " and the other as the " great death " . Bill geo> Yes. I mention this because we where talking about it a few days ago. The 2 death: the self and the body. I find this issue very intriguing..intriguating....intraguit.. intrigant..?? :>) avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090513-0, 13/05/2009 Tested on: 18/5/2009 16:52:46 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Monday, May 18, 2009 4:51 PM Re: You know more then I do Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > <snip> > > > > Nice bit of writing geo... which reminds me of a story: > > > > One day a student asked his Master, " Tell me Master, what is it to > > achieve enlightenment? " > > > > The Master replied, " It is the dying the 'little death' " > > > > " But tell me Master, " the student asked, " How can I die the 'little > > death'? " > > > > " Impossible! " the Master rebuked, " There's nothing you can do. Your > > situation > > is hopeless. " > > > > The student was devastated, all his hopes of attaining enlightenment > > drained > > away. > > > > Bill > > > > geo> I like this. Specially the expression 'little death'. > > What is in your perception the big death? > > I use the notion of the " little death " as in contrast to > mortal or physical death. > > Terms are relative. One could just as well refer to physical > death as the " little death " and the other as the " great death " . > > Bill > I have a question. If the sense of self never existed.......what actually dies? toombaru geo> That is a good one toomba. Sorry I cant answer you now...meditating..just lit the insence. avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090513-0, 13/05/2009 Tested on: 18/5/2009 16:55:48 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Monday, May 18, 2009 4:59 PM Re: You know more then I do Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > <snip> > > > > Nice bit of writing geo... which reminds me of a story: > > > > One day a student asked his Master, " Tell me Master, what is it to > > achieve enlightenment? " > > > > The Master replied, " It is the dying the 'little death' " > > > > " But tell me Master, " the student asked, " How can I die the 'little > > death'? " > > > > " Impossible! " the Master rebuked, " There's nothing you can do. Your > > situation > > is hopeless. " > > > > The student was devastated, all his hopes of attaining enlightenment > > drained > > away. > > > > Bill > > > > geo> I like this. Specially the expression 'little death'. > > What is in your perception the big death? > > I use the notion of the " little death " as in contrast to > mortal or physical death. > > Terms are relative. One could just as well refer to physical > death as the " little death " and the other as the " great death " . > > Bill the little death is also French for orgasm.. la petite mort... the refractory period occurring during sex. it's just as great as the Great Death. but you gotta not be there to understand... either one. ..b b.b. Are you serious? Is that so in French? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090513-0, 13/05/2009 Tested on: 18/5/2009 17:04:57 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Monday, May 18, 2009 4:59 PM > Re: You know more then I do > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > > > > Nice bit of writing geo... which reminds me of a story: > > > > > > One day a student asked his Master, " Tell me Master, what is it to > > > achieve enlightenment? " > > > > > > The Master replied, " It is the dying the 'little death' " > > > > > > " But tell me Master, " the student asked, " How can I die the 'little > > > death'? " > > > > > > " Impossible! " the Master rebuked, " There's nothing you can do. Your > > > situation > > > is hopeless. " > > > > > > The student was devastated, all his hopes of attaining enlightenment > > > drained > > > away. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > geo> I like this. Specially the expression 'little death'. > > > What is in your perception the big death? > > > > I use the notion of the " little death " as in contrast to > > mortal or physical death. > > > > Terms are relative. One could just as well refer to physical > > death as the " little death " and the other as the " great death " . > > > > Bill > > the little death is also French for orgasm.. > > la petite mort... > > the refractory period occurring during sex. > > it's just as great as the Great Death. > > but you gotta not be there to understand... > > either one. > > .b b.b. > > Are you serious? Is that so in French? > -geo- mais oui! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 > > > geo> I like this. Specially the expression 'little death'. > > > What is in your perception the big death? > > > > I use the notion of the " little death " as in contrast to > > mortal or physical death. > > > > Terms are relative. One could just as well refer to physical > > death as the " little death " and the other as the " great death " . > > > > Bill > > > > I have a question. > > If the sense of self never existed.......what actually dies? > > toombaru It is like the balls of a juggler kept in the air. The whirling pattern of flying balls is only sustained so long as the juggler persists. In the same way any " thing " including any " sense of self " only appears to exist while attention moves so as to imply their existence. Those " things " never were, and once attention drops away from them they dissolved. It is all about attention. So to answer you question, nothing actually dies, but the appearance of things can dissolve. Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > > > > geo> I like this. Specially the expression 'little death'. > > > > What is in your perception the big death? > > > > > > I use the notion of the " little death " as in contrast to > > > mortal or physical death. > > > > > > Terms are relative. One could just as well refer to physical > > > death as the " little death " and the other as the " great death " . > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > I have a question. > > > > If the sense of self never existed.......what actually dies? > > > > toombaru > > It is like the balls of a juggler kept in the air. > The whirling pattern of flying balls is only sustained > so long as the juggler persists. > > In the same way any " thing " including any " sense of self " > only appears to exist while attention moves so as to > imply their existence. Those " things " never were, and > once attention drops away from them they dissolved. Kind of an irony how we keep our attention *on* all those things on these lists, eh? ;-). " Something happened " here in January of '08, after I'd been off the lists for 5 years. The best thing anyone can do spiritually is to ditch the ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " illusyn@ wrote: > > > > > > > geo> I like this. Specially the expression 'little death'. > > > > > What is in your perception the big death? > > > > > > > > I use the notion of the " little death " as in contrast to > > > > mortal or physical death. > > > > > > > > Terms are relative. One could just as well refer to physical > > > > death as the " little death " and the other as the " great death " . > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > I have a question. > > > > > > If the sense of self never existed.......what actually dies? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > It is like the balls of a juggler kept in the air. > > The whirling pattern of flying balls is only sustained > > so long as the juggler persists. > > > > In the same way any " thing " including any " sense of self " > > only appears to exist while attention moves so as to > > imply their existence. Those " things " never were, and > > once attention drops away from them they dissolved. > > Kind of an irony how we keep our attention *on* all those things on these lists, eh? ;-). > > " Something happened " here in January of '08, after I'd been off the lists for 5 years. The best thing anyone can do spiritually is to ditch the ;-). There are " two attentions " , one conscious and one unconscious. It is the conscious one that gets into nonsense. Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > geo> I like this. Specially the expression 'little death'. > > > > > What is in your perception the big death? > > > > > > > > I use the notion of the " little death " as in contrast to > > > > mortal or physical death. > > > > > > > > Terms are relative. One could just as well refer to physical > > > > death as the " little death " and the other as the " great death " . > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > I have a question. > > > > > > If the sense of self never existed.......what actually dies? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > It is like the balls of a juggler kept in the air. > > The whirling pattern of flying balls is only sustained > > so long as the juggler persists. > > > > In the same way any " thing " including any " sense of self " > > only appears to exist while attention moves so as to > > imply their existence. Those " things " never were, and > > once attention drops away from them they dissolved. > > Kind of an irony how we keep our attention *on* all those things on these lists, eh? ;-). > > " Something happened " here in January of '08, after I'd been off the lists for 5 years. The best thing anyone can do spiritually is to ditch the ;-). > I can do something spiritually? :-0 toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > geo> I like this. Specially the expression 'little death'. > > > > > > What is in your perception the big death? > > > > > > > > > > I use the notion of the " little death " as in contrast to > > > > > mortal or physical death. > > > > > > > > > > Terms are relative. One could just as well refer to physical > > > > > death as the " little death " and the other as the " great death " . > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a question. > > > > > > > > If the sense of self never existed.......what actually dies? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > It is like the balls of a juggler kept in the air. > > > The whirling pattern of flying balls is only sustained > > > so long as the juggler persists. > > > > > > In the same way any " thing " including any " sense of self " > > > only appears to exist while attention moves so as to > > > imply their existence. Those " things " never were, and > > > once attention drops away from them they dissolved. > > > > Kind of an irony how we keep our attention *on* all those things on these lists, eh? ;-). > > > > " Something happened " here in January of '08, after I'd been off the lists for 5 years. The best thing anyone can do spiritually is to ditch the groups ;-). > > > I can do something spiritually? Not volitionally. But sure, you can drop whatever habits are (helping to) maintain " you " . The rest just happens, if it does. Actually, all of it just happens, if it does. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > > There are " two attentions " , one conscious and one unconscious. > It is the conscious one that gets into nonsense. Yep... I thought Nisargadatta put it well: " When you demand nothing of the world, nor of God, when you want nothing, seek nothing, expect nothing then the Supreme State will come to you uninvited and unexpected. " You're right, it's the conscious search that stirs up all the nonsense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > There are " two attentions " , one conscious and one unconscious. > > It is the conscious one that gets into nonsense. > > Yep... I thought Nisargadatta put it well: > > " When you demand nothing of the world, nor of God, when you want nothing, seek nothing, expect nothing then the Supreme State will come to you uninvited and unexpected. " > > You're right, it's the conscious search that stirs up all the nonsense. > niiiiiiiiiiice. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > There are " two attentions " , one conscious and one unconscious. > > > It is the conscious one that gets into nonsense. > > > > Yep... I thought Nisargadatta put it well: > > > > " When you demand nothing of the world, nor of God, when you want nothing, seek nothing, expect nothing then the Supreme State will come to you uninvited and unexpected. " > > > > You're right, it's the conscious search that stirs up all the nonsense. > > > > > > > niiiiiiiiiiice. > > > > > toombaru Well... no way to turn the search off, Toomie. But to anyone searching for enlightenment: Know when to quit. When you've explored all angles and nothing's changed, might as well go back to everyday life. Drop the whole thingie. That's where 'awakening' actually begins, in my book. Spirituality is nothing but resistance to the spiritual. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There are " two attentions " , one conscious and one unconscious. > > > > It is the conscious one that gets into nonsense. > > > > > > Yep... I thought Nisargadatta put it well: > > > > > > " When you demand nothing of the world, nor of God, when you want nothing, seek nothing, expect nothing then the Supreme State will come to you uninvited and unexpected. " > > > > > > You're right, it's the conscious search that stirs up all the nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > niiiiiiiiiiice. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Well... no way to turn the search off, Toomie. But to anyone searching for enlightenment: Know when to quit. When you've explored all angles and nothing's changed, might as well go back to everyday life. Drop the whole thingie. That's where 'awakening' actually begins, in my book. Spirituality is nothing but resistance to the spiritual. > Trying to quit..........isn't. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " illusyn@ wrote: > > > > > > There are " two attentions " , one conscious and one unconscious. > > It is the conscious one that gets into nonsense. > > Yep... I thought Nisargadatta put it well: > > " When you demand nothing of the world, nor of God, when you want nothing, seek nothing, expect nothing then the Supreme State will come to you uninvited and unexpected. " > > You're right, it's the conscious search that stirs up all the nonsense. Exactly, Tim. In another place Niz says that you are a needle with a hook on the end, and the world is full of loops. You need to straighten the needle. [rough paraphrase] Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " illusyn@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > There are " two attentions " , one conscious and one unconscious. > > > It is the conscious one that gets into nonsense. > > > > Yep... I thought Nisargadatta put it well: > > > > " When you demand nothing of the world, nor of God, when you want > nothing, seek nothing, expect nothing then the Supreme State will come > to you uninvited and unexpected. " > > > > You're right, it's the conscious search that stirs up all the > nonsense. > > Exactly, Tim. > > In another place Niz says that you are a needle with a hook on the > end, and the world is full of loops. You need to straighten the needle. > [rough paraphrase] > > Bill > Is there any connection between the needle's desire and efforts to straighten its-self out and it's actual straightening? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Is there any connection between the needle's desire and efforts to > straighten > its-self out and it's actual straightening? I know ya didn't ask me, but I'll give my opinion anyway: The search for awakening is actually one's resistance to awakening. Sounds nuts mebbe, but the search maintains the 'me'. Once the mind hears all the details, a seed is planted... and the resistance begins. So in my view (this is just a general-case, and may not apply to everyone or even *anyone*), if there's any connection between the needle's desire/efforts and the straightening, it's in spite of the needle, not because of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Is there any connection between the needle's desire and efforts to > > straighten > > its-self out and it's actual straightening? > > I know ya didn't ask me, but I'll give my opinion anyway: > > The search for awakening is actually one's resistance to awakening. > > Sounds nuts mebbe, but the search maintains the 'me'. Once the mind hears all the details, a seed is planted... and the resistance begins. > > So in my view (this is just a general-case, and may not apply to everyone or even *anyone*), if there's any connection between the needle's desire/efforts and the straightening, it's in spite of the needle, not because of it. > I think that you are right. Everyone wants it until they they realize that there is nothing to get and no one to get it. LOL toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 > > > geo> I like this. Specially the expression 'little death'. > > > What is in your perception the big death? > > > > I use the notion of the " little death " as in contrast to > > mortal or physical death. > > > > Terms are relative. One could just as well refer to physical > > death as the " little death " and the other as the " great death " . > > > > Bill > > > > I have a question. > > If the sense of self never existed.......what actually dies? > > toombaru What dies is the image-maker. It IS a death indeed... -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " illusyn@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There are " two attentions " , one conscious and one unconscious. > > > > It is the conscious one that gets into nonsense. > > > > > > Yep... I thought Nisargadatta put it well: > > > > > > " When you demand nothing of the world, nor of God, when you want > > nothing, seek nothing, expect nothing then the Supreme State will come > > to you uninvited and unexpected. " > > > > > > You're right, it's the conscious search that stirs up all the > > nonsense. > > > > Exactly, Tim. > > > > In another place Niz says that you are a needle with a hook on the > > end, and the world is full of loops. You need to straighten the needle. > > [rough paraphrase] > > > > Bill > > > > > > > Is there any connection between the needle's desire and efforts to straighten > its-self out and it's actual straightening? > > > > > toombaru it all depends on the lay of the hay it lies in. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Is there any connection between the needle's desire and efforts to > > > straighten > > > its-self out and it's actual straightening? > > > > I know ya didn't ask me, but I'll give my opinion anyway: > > > > The search for awakening is actually one's resistance to awakening. > > > > Sounds nuts mebbe, but the search maintains the 'me'. Once the mind hears all the details, a seed is planted... and the resistance begins. > > > > So in my view (this is just a general-case, and may not apply to everyone or even *anyone*), if there's any connection between the needle's desire/efforts and the straightening, it's in spite of the needle, not because of it. > > > > > > > I think that you are right. > > Everyone wants it until they they realize that there is nothing to get and no one to get it. > > > LOL > > > > > toombaru of course as long as you want to not want something.. well you know.. don't think about a monkey right now.. and hold that thought for a few hours.. patiently.. because there is no one to be patient anyway. it's a fucking snap i tell ya! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
