Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 You must know much more then I do. i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff the last loose rock about go...taking it away. But you say there is nothing to loose. how come? all the colors i see i see through him all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. No hope?, I say... What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see new ears to at least some sounds hear... a new heart to feel. ....anything...if after all all I am I am through it? O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this empty bag, you say. I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. You say all is well.. but I am in terror...I fear.. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > You must know much more then I do. > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > No hope?, I say... > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > a new heart to feel. > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this > empty bag, you say. > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > You say all is well.. > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > -geo- who are you talking to? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 > You must know much more then I do. > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > No hope?, I say... > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > a new heart to feel. > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this > empty bag, you say. > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > You say all is well.. > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > -geo- who are you talking to? ..b b.b. To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > You must know much more then I do. > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > > No hope?, I say... > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > > a new heart to feel. > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this > > empty bag, you say. > > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > > > You say all is well.. > > > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > > -geo- > > who are you talking to? > > .b b.b. > > To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself. > -geo- your fear " of " yourself? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:46 AM Re: You know more then I do Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > You must know much more then I do. > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > > No hope?, I say... > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > > a new heart to feel. > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this > > empty bag, you say. > > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > > > You say all is well.. > > > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > > -geo- > > who are you talking to? > > .b b.b. > > To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself. > -geo- your fear " of " yourself? ..b b.b. Is there not a kind of objective " hope " invoved in this? If this human pattern appeared... is there not a kind of positive really existing expectation... or hope...that there WILL be another suitable pattern ? It could be otherwise - you know - amongst the infinite possibilities......;....;....;..;.;.;;;;; -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:46 AM > Re: You know more then I do > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > You must know much more then I do. > > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > > > > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > > > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > > > No hope?, I say... > > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > > > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > > > a new heart to feel. > > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > > > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this > > > empty bag, you say. > > > > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > > > > > You say all is well.. > > > > > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > > > -geo- > > > > who are you talking to? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself. > > -geo- > > your fear " of " yourself? > > .b b.b. > > Is there not a kind of objective " hope " invoved in this? > If this human pattern appeared... is there not a kind of positive really > existing expectation... > or hope...that there WILL be another suitable pattern ? It could be > otherwise - you know - > amongst the infinite possibilities......;....;....;..;.;.;;;;; > -geo- there is the thought that there is hope. that's the most that can be hoped for. but... who is this hope for hope..hoping for? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:43 AM Re: You know more then I do Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:46 AM > Re: You know more then I do > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > You must know much more then I do. > > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > > > > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > > > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > > > No hope?, I say... > > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > > > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > > > a new heart to feel. > > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > > > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just > > > this > > > empty bag, you say. > > > > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > > > > > You say all is well.. > > > > > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > > > -geo- > > > > who are you talking to? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself. > > -geo- > > your fear " of " yourself? > > .b b.b. > > Is there not a kind of objective " hope " invoved in this? > If this human pattern appeared... is there not a kind of positive really > existing expectation... > or hope...that there WILL be another suitable pattern ? It could be > otherwise - you know - > amongst the infinite possibilities......;....;....;..;.;.;;;;; > -geo- there is the thought that there is hope. that's the most that can be hoped for. but... who is this hope for hope..hoping for? ..b b.b. Now i feel it is not a matter of who anymore. The fact is that without SOME pattern there is nothing. Can existence be without a pattern? Even the question makes no sense... -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:43 AM > Re: You know more then I do > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:46 AM > > Re: You know more then I do > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You must know much more then I do. > > > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > > > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > > > > > > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > > > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > > > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > > > > > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > > > > No hope?, I say... > > > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > > > > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > > > > a new heart to feel. > > > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > > > > > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just > > > > this > > > > empty bag, you say. > > > > > > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > > > > > > > You say all is well.. > > > > > > > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > who are you talking to? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself. > > > -geo- > > > > your fear " of " yourself? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Is there not a kind of objective " hope " invoved in this? > > If this human pattern appeared... is there not a kind of positive really > > existing expectation... > > or hope...that there WILL be another suitable pattern ? It could be > > otherwise - you know - > > amongst the infinite possibilities......;....;....;..;.;.;;;;; > > -geo- > > there is the thought that there is hope. > > that's the most that can be hoped for. > > but... > > who is this hope for hope..hoping for? > > .b b.b. > > Now i feel it is not a matter of who anymore. The fact is that without SOME > pattern > there is nothing. > Can existence be without a pattern? Even the question makes no sense... > -geo- nothing makes sense. to whom could " it " " make sense " ? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > You must know much more then I do. > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > No hope?, I say... > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > a new heart to feel. > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this > empty bag, you say. > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > You say all is well.. > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > -geo- > The self is solidified fear. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:43 AM > Re: You know more then I do > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:46 AM > > Re: You know more then I do > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You must know much more then I do. > > > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > > > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > > > > > > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > > > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > > > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > > > > > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > > > > No hope?, I say... > > > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > > > > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > > > > a new heart to feel. > > > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > > > > > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just > > > > this > > > > empty bag, you say. > > > > > > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > > > > > > > You say all is well.. > > > > > > > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > who are you talking to? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself. > > > -geo- > > > > your fear " of " yourself? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Is there not a kind of objective " hope " invoved in this? > > If this human pattern appeared... is there not a kind of positive really > > existing expectation... > > or hope...that there WILL be another suitable pattern ? It could be > > otherwise - you know - > > amongst the infinite possibilities......;....;....;..;.;.;;;;; > > -geo- > > there is the thought that there is hope. > > that's the most that can be hoped for. > > but... > > who is this hope for hope..hoping for? > > .b b.b. > > Now i feel it is not a matter of who anymore. The fact is that without SOME > pattern > there is nothing. > Can existence be without a pattern? Even the question makes no sense... > -geo- > For the I am.....there is no hope. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > You must know much more then I do. > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > No hope?, I say... > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > a new heart to feel. > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this > empty bag, you say. > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > You say all is well.. > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > -geo- No time to worry about it. Just being the fear. Now. -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 > The self is solidified fear. > > > > > toombaru > Today.......I intend to dress my shadow in fear! Kip Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > You must know much more then I do. > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > > No hope?, I say... > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > > a new heart to feel. > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this > > empty bag, you say. > > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > > > You say all is well.. > > > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > > -geo- > > No time to worry about it. > > Just being the fear. > > Now. > > -- Dan if you have the time to say: " no time to worry about it. " ... your worried about it already.. and you have way too much time. that's one fucked fear there. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy wrote: > > > The self is solidified fear. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Today.......I intend to dress my shadow in fear! > > Kip is it your intention that your shadow has a choice? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 -geo- - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:43 AM Re: You know more then I do Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:46 AM > Re: You know more then I do > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > You must know much more then I do. > > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > > > > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > > > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > > > No hope?, I say... > > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > > > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > > > a new heart to feel. > > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > > > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just > > > this > > > empty bag, you say. > > > > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > > > > > You say all is well.. > > > > > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > > > -geo- > > > > who are you talking to? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself. > > -geo- > > your fear " of " yourself? > > .b b.b. > > Is there not a kind of objective " hope " invoved in this? > If this human pattern appeared... is there not a kind of positive really > existing expectation... > or hope...that there WILL be another suitable pattern ? It could be > otherwise - you know - > amongst the infinite possibilities......;....;....;..;.;.;;;;; > -geo- there is the thought that there is hope. that's the most that can be hoped for. but... who is this hope for hope..hoping for? ..b b.b. Ahh.. although perhaps this is not what you wrote...just saw it: " Hope " involves another from where the favor is expected to flow from. Who could that other be??!! O -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 > > You must know much more then I do. > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > No hope?, I say... > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > a new heart to feel. > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this > empty bag, you say. > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > You say all is well.. > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > -geo- > The self is solidified fear. toombaru Mainly that. Fear of ending. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Sunday, May 17, 2009 12:31 PM Re: You know more then I do Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:43 AM > Re: You know more then I do > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:46 AM > > Re: You know more then I do > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You must know much more then I do. > > > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > > > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > > > > > > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > > > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > > > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > > > > > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > > > > No hope?, I say... > > > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > > > > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > > > > a new heart to feel. > > > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > > > > > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just > > > > this > > > > empty bag, you say. > > > > > > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > > > > > > > You say all is well.. > > > > > > > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > who are you talking to? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself. > > > -geo- > > > > your fear " of " yourself? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Is there not a kind of objective " hope " invoved in this? > > If this human pattern appeared... is there not a kind of positive really > > existing expectation... > > or hope...that there WILL be another suitable pattern ? It could be > > otherwise - you know - > > amongst the infinite possibilities......;....;....;..;.;.;;;;; > > -geo- > > there is the thought that there is hope. > > that's the most that can be hoped for. > > but... > > who is this hope for hope..hoping for? > > .b b.b. > > Now i feel it is not a matter of who anymore. The fact is that without > SOME > pattern > there is nothing. > Can existence be without a pattern? Even the question makes no sense... > -geo- > For the I am.....there is no hope. toomba Now I am shaking in shear terror!!! I am going to ! -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Sunday, May 17, 2009 4:03 PM Re: You know more then I do Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > You must know much more then I do. > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > No hope?, I say... > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > a new heart to feel. > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this > empty bag, you say. > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > You say all is well.. > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > -geo- No time to worry about it. Just being the fear. Now. -- Dan Yes...there is fear involved in death that is real. It is an energizing cleansing fear. Without it all is a bit grey. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > You must know much more then I do. > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > > No hope?, I say... > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > > a new heart to feel. > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this > > empty bag, you say. > > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > > > You say all is well.. > > > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > > -geo- > > > > The self is solidified fear. > > toombaru > > Mainly that. Fear of ending. > -geo- > The ultimate fear is the fear of being. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, May 17, 2009 12:31 PM > Re: You know more then I do > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:43 AM > > Re: You know more then I do > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:46 AM > > > Re: You know more then I do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must know much more then I do. > > > > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > > > > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > > > > > > > > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > > > > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > > > > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > > > > > > > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > > > > > No hope?, I say... > > > > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > > > > > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > > > > > a new heart to feel. > > > > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > > > > > > > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just > > > > > this > > > > > empty bag, you say. > > > > > > > > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > > > > > > > > > You say all is well.. > > > > > > > > > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > who are you talking to? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > your fear " of " yourself? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Is there not a kind of objective " hope " invoved in this? > > > If this human pattern appeared... is there not a kind of positive really > > > existing expectation... > > > or hope...that there WILL be another suitable pattern ? It could be > > > otherwise - you know - > > > amongst the infinite possibilities......;....;....;..;.;.;;;;; > > > -geo- > > > > there is the thought that there is hope. > > > > that's the most that can be hoped for. > > > > but... > > > > who is this hope for hope..hoping for? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Now i feel it is not a matter of who anymore. The fact is that without > > SOME > > pattern > > there is nothing. > > Can existence be without a pattern? Even the question makes no sense... > > -geo- > > > > For the I am.....there is no hope. > toomba > > Now I am shaking in shear terror!!! I am going to ! > -geo- > No......you won't. You will see this through to the end. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Sunday, May 17, 2009 5:53 PM Re: You know more then I do Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > You must know much more then I do. > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > > No hope?, I say... > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > > a new heart to feel. > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this > > empty bag, you say. > > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > > > You say all is well.. > > > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > > -geo- > > > > The self is solidified fear. > > toombaru > > Mainly that. Fear of ending. > -geo- > The ultimate fear is the fear of being. toombaru True! -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Sunday, May 17, 2009 5:54 PM Re: You know more then I do Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, May 17, 2009 12:31 PM > Re: You know more then I do > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:43 AM > > Re: You know more then I do > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:46 AM > > > Re: You know more then I do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must know much more then I do. > > > > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > > > > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > > > > > > > > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > > > > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > > > > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > > > > > > > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > > > > > No hope?, I say... > > > > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > > > > > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > > > > > a new heart to feel. > > > > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > > > > > > > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then > > > > > just > > > > > this > > > > > empty bag, you say. > > > > > > > > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > > > > > > > > > You say all is well.. > > > > > > > > > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > who are you talking to? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > your fear " of " yourself? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Is there not a kind of objective " hope " invoved in this? > > > If this human pattern appeared... is there not a kind of positive > > > really > > > existing expectation... > > > or hope...that there WILL be another suitable pattern ? It could be > > > otherwise - you know - > > > amongst the infinite possibilities......;....;....;..;.;.;;;;; > > > -geo- > > > > there is the thought that there is hope. > > > > that's the most that can be hoped for. > > > > but... > > > > who is this hope for hope..hoping for? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Now i feel it is not a matter of who anymore. The fact is that without > > SOME > > pattern > > there is nothing. > > Can existence be without a pattern? Even the question makes no sense... > > -geo- > > > > For the I am.....there is no hope. > toomba > > Now I am shaking in shear terror!!! I am going to ! > -geo- > No......you won't. You will see this through to the end. toombaru Weird thing...we all are going to see this till the end. Each one. (for those who dont like the we). -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > You must know much more then I do. > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > > No hope?, I say... > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > > a new heart to feel. > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this > > empty bag, you say. > > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > > > You say all is well.. > > > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > > -geo- > > > > The self is solidified fear. > > toombaru Yes. Fear made into a state, psychological fear. Fear maintained as bodily tensioning, as contraction, as a sense of existing, as being someone who has survived something threatening. The sense of which is that very " solidification " : " I exist, something else exists outside, and something can threaten me. " > Mainly that. Fear of ending. > -geo- Yes. And an assumption of having had a beginning, and having experienced something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > You must know much more then I do. > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > > No hope?, I say... > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > > a new heart to feel. > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this > > empty bag, you say. > > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > > > You say all is well.. > > > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > > -geo- > > > > > The self is solidified fear. > > toombaru That's good. Appearance of solidity as born of fear. Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > You must know much more then I do. > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff > the last loose rock about go...taking it away. > > But you say there is nothing to loose. > how come? all the colors i see i see through him > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth... > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have. > No hope?, I say... > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see > new ears to at least some sounds hear... > a new heart to feel. > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it? > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this > empty bag, you say. > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him. > > You say all is well.. > > but I am in terror...I fear.. > -geo- Nice bit of writing geo... which reminds me of a story: One day a student asked his Master, " Tell me Master, what is it to achieve enlightenment? " The Master replied, " It is the dying the 'little death' " " But tell me Master, " the student asked, " How can I die the 'little death'? " " Impossible! " the Master rebuked, " There's nothing you can do. Your situation is hopeless. " The student was devastated, all his hopes of attaining enlightenment drained away. Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
