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You must know much more then I do.

i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

 

But you say there is nothing to loose.

how come? all the colors i see i see through him

all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

 

And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

No hope?, I say...

What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

new ears to at least some sounds hear...

a new heart to feel.

....anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

 

O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this

empty bag, you say.

 

I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

 

You say all is well..

 

but I am in terror...I fear..

-geo-

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> You must know much more then I do.

> i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

>

> But you say there is nothing to loose.

> how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

>

> And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> No hope?, I say...

> What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> a new heart to feel.

> ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

>

> O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this

> empty bag, you say.

>

> I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

>

> You say all is well..

>

> but I am in terror...I fear..

> -geo-

 

 

who are you talking to?

 

..b b.b.

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> You must know much more then I do.

> i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

>

> But you say there is nothing to loose.

> how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

>

> And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> No hope?, I say...

> What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> a new heart to feel.

> ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

>

> O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this

> empty bag, you say.

>

> I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

>

> You say all is well..

>

> but I am in terror...I fear..

> -geo-

 

who are you talking to?

 

..b b.b.

 

To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself.

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> > You must know much more then I do.

> > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> > the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

> >

> > But you say there is nothing to loose.

> > how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

> >

> > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> > No hope?, I say...

> > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> > new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> > a new heart to feel.

> > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

> >

> > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this

> > empty bag, you say.

> >

> > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

> >

> > You say all is well..

> >

> > but I am in terror...I fear..

> > -geo-

>

> who are you talking to?

>

> .b b.b.

>

> To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself.

> -geo-

 

 

your fear " of " yourself?

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta

Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:46 AM

Re: You know more then I do

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> > You must know much more then I do.

> > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> > the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

> >

> > But you say there is nothing to loose.

> > how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

> >

> > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> > No hope?, I say...

> > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> > new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> > a new heart to feel.

> > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

> >

> > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this

> > empty bag, you say.

> >

> > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

> >

> > You say all is well..

> >

> > but I am in terror...I fear..

> > -geo-

>

> who are you talking to?

>

> .b b.b.

>

> To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself.

> -geo-

 

your fear " of " yourself?

 

..b b.b.

 

Is there not a kind of objective " hope " invoved in this?

If this human pattern appeared... is there not a kind of positive really

existing expectation...

or hope...that there WILL be another suitable pattern ? It could be

otherwise - you know -

amongst the infinite possibilities......;....;....;..;.;.;;;;;

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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>

> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:46 AM

> Re: You know more then I do

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > > You must know much more then I do.

> > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

> > >

> > > But you say there is nothing to loose.

> > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

> > >

> > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> > > No hope?, I say...

> > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> > > new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> > > a new heart to feel.

> > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

> > >

> > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this

> > > empty bag, you say.

> > >

> > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

> > >

> > > You say all is well..

> > >

> > > but I am in terror...I fear..

> > > -geo-

> >

> > who are you talking to?

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself.

> > -geo-

>

> your fear " of " yourself?

>

> .b b.b.

>

> Is there not a kind of objective " hope " invoved in this?

> If this human pattern appeared... is there not a kind of positive really

> existing expectation...

> or hope...that there WILL be another suitable pattern ? It could be

> otherwise - you know -

> amongst the infinite possibilities......;....;....;..;.;.;;;;;

> -geo-

 

 

there is the thought that there is hope.

 

that's the most that can be hoped for.

 

but...

 

who is this hope for hope..hoping for?

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta

Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:43 AM

Re: You know more then I do

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:46 AM

> Re: You know more then I do

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > > You must know much more then I do.

> > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

> > >

> > > But you say there is nothing to loose.

> > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

> > >

> > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> > > No hope?, I say...

> > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> > > new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> > > a new heart to feel.

> > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

> > >

> > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just

> > > this

> > > empty bag, you say.

> > >

> > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

> > >

> > > You say all is well..

> > >

> > > but I am in terror...I fear..

> > > -geo-

> >

> > who are you talking to?

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself.

> > -geo-

>

> your fear " of " yourself?

>

> .b b.b.

>

> Is there not a kind of objective " hope " invoved in this?

> If this human pattern appeared... is there not a kind of positive really

> existing expectation...

> or hope...that there WILL be another suitable pattern ? It could be

> otherwise - you know -

> amongst the infinite possibilities......;....;....;..;.;.;;;;;

> -geo-

 

there is the thought that there is hope.

 

that's the most that can be hoped for.

 

but...

 

who is this hope for hope..hoping for?

 

..b b.b.

 

Now i feel it is not a matter of who anymore. The fact is that without SOME

pattern

there is nothing.

Can existence be without a pattern? Even the question makes no sense...

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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>

> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:43 AM

> Re: You know more then I do

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > roberibus111

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:46 AM

> > Re: You know more then I do

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > You must know much more then I do.

> > > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> > > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

> > > >

> > > > But you say there is nothing to loose.

> > > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> > > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

> > > >

> > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> > > > No hope?, I say...

> > > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> > > > new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> > > > a new heart to feel.

> > > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

> > > >

> > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just

> > > > this

> > > > empty bag, you say.

> > > >

> > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

> > > >

> > > > You say all is well..

> > > >

> > > > but I am in terror...I fear..

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > who are you talking to?

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself.

> > > -geo-

> >

> > your fear " of " yourself?

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > Is there not a kind of objective " hope " invoved in this?

> > If this human pattern appeared... is there not a kind of positive really

> > existing expectation...

> > or hope...that there WILL be another suitable pattern ? It could be

> > otherwise - you know -

> > amongst the infinite possibilities......;....;....;..;.;.;;;;;

> > -geo-

>

> there is the thought that there is hope.

>

> that's the most that can be hoped for.

>

> but...

>

> who is this hope for hope..hoping for?

>

> .b b.b.

>

> Now i feel it is not a matter of who anymore. The fact is that without SOME

> pattern

> there is nothing.

> Can existence be without a pattern? Even the question makes no sense...

> -geo-

 

 

nothing makes sense.

 

to whom could " it " " make sense " ?

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> You must know much more then I do.

> i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

>

> But you say there is nothing to loose.

> how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

>

> And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> No hope?, I say...

> What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> a new heart to feel.

> ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

>

> O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this

> empty bag, you say.

>

> I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

>

> You say all is well..

>

> but I am in terror...I fear..

> -geo-

>

 

 

The self is solidified fear.

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:43 AM

> Re: You know more then I do

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > roberibus111

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:46 AM

> > Re: You know more then I do

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > You must know much more then I do.

> > > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> > > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

> > > >

> > > > But you say there is nothing to loose.

> > > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> > > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

> > > >

> > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> > > > No hope?, I say...

> > > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> > > > new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> > > > a new heart to feel.

> > > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

> > > >

> > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just

> > > > this

> > > > empty bag, you say.

> > > >

> > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

> > > >

> > > > You say all is well..

> > > >

> > > > but I am in terror...I fear..

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > who are you talking to?

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself.

> > > -geo-

> >

> > your fear " of " yourself?

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > Is there not a kind of objective " hope " invoved in this?

> > If this human pattern appeared... is there not a kind of positive really

> > existing expectation...

> > or hope...that there WILL be another suitable pattern ? It could be

> > otherwise - you know -

> > amongst the infinite possibilities......;....;....;..;.;.;;;;;

> > -geo-

>

> there is the thought that there is hope.

>

> that's the most that can be hoped for.

>

> but...

>

> who is this hope for hope..hoping for?

>

> .b b.b.

>

> Now i feel it is not a matter of who anymore. The fact is that without SOME

> pattern

> there is nothing.

> Can existence be without a pattern? Even the question makes no sense...

> -geo-

>

 

 

 

For the I am.....there is no hope.

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> You must know much more then I do.

> i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

>

> But you say there is nothing to loose.

> how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

>

> And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> No hope?, I say...

> What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> a new heart to feel.

> ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

>

> O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this

> empty bag, you say.

>

> I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

>

> You say all is well..

>

> but I am in terror...I fear..

> -geo-

 

No time to worry about it.

 

Just being the fear.

 

Now.

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > You must know much more then I do.

> > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> > the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

> >

> > But you say there is nothing to loose.

> > how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

> >

> > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> > No hope?, I say...

> > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> > new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> > a new heart to feel.

> > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

> >

> > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this

> > empty bag, you say.

> >

> > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

> >

> > You say all is well..

> >

> > but I am in terror...I fear..

> > -geo-

>

> No time to worry about it.

>

> Just being the fear.

>

> Now.

>

> -- Dan

 

 

if you have the time to say:

 

" no time to worry about it. " ...

 

your worried about it already..

 

and you have way too much time.

 

that's one fucked fear there.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy wrote:

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> > The self is solidified fear.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

>

> Today.......I intend to dress my shadow in fear!

>

> Kip

 

 

is it your intention that your shadow has a choice?

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta

Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:43 AM

Re: You know more then I do

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:46 AM

> Re: You know more then I do

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > > You must know much more then I do.

> > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

> > >

> > > But you say there is nothing to loose.

> > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

> > >

> > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> > > No hope?, I say...

> > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> > > new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> > > a new heart to feel.

> > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

> > >

> > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just

> > > this

> > > empty bag, you say.

> > >

> > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

> > >

> > > You say all is well..

> > >

> > > but I am in terror...I fear..

> > > -geo-

> >

> > who are you talking to?

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself.

> > -geo-

>

> your fear " of " yourself?

>

> .b b.b.

>

> Is there not a kind of objective " hope " invoved in this?

> If this human pattern appeared... is there not a kind of positive really

> existing expectation...

> or hope...that there WILL be another suitable pattern ? It could be

> otherwise - you know -

> amongst the infinite possibilities......;....;....;..;.;.;;;;;

> -geo-

 

there is the thought that there is hope.

 

that's the most that can be hoped for.

 

but...

 

who is this hope for hope..hoping for?

 

..b b.b.

 

Ahh.. although perhaps this is not what you wrote...just saw it:

" Hope " involves another from where the favor is expected to flow from.

Who could that other be??!!

 

O

 

-geo-

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> You must know much more then I do.

> i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

>

> But you say there is nothing to loose.

> how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

>

> And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> No hope?, I say...

> What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> a new heart to feel.

> ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

>

> O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this

> empty bag, you say.

>

> I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

>

> You say all is well..

>

> but I am in terror...I fear..

> -geo-

>

 

The self is solidified fear.

 

toombaru

 

Mainly that. Fear of ending.

-geo-

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Sunday, May 17, 2009 12:31 PM

Re: You know more then I do

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:43 AM

> Re: You know more then I do

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > roberibus111

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:46 AM

> > Re: You know more then I do

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > You must know much more then I do.

> > > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> > > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

> > > >

> > > > But you say there is nothing to loose.

> > > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> > > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

> > > >

> > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> > > > No hope?, I say...

> > > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> > > > new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> > > > a new heart to feel.

> > > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

> > > >

> > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just

> > > > this

> > > > empty bag, you say.

> > > >

> > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

> > > >

> > > > You say all is well..

> > > >

> > > > but I am in terror...I fear..

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > who are you talking to?

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself.

> > > -geo-

> >

> > your fear " of " yourself?

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > Is there not a kind of objective " hope " invoved in this?

> > If this human pattern appeared... is there not a kind of positive really

> > existing expectation...

> > or hope...that there WILL be another suitable pattern ? It could be

> > otherwise - you know -

> > amongst the infinite possibilities......;....;....;..;.;.;;;;;

> > -geo-

>

> there is the thought that there is hope.

>

> that's the most that can be hoped for.

>

> but...

>

> who is this hope for hope..hoping for?

>

> .b b.b.

>

> Now i feel it is not a matter of who anymore. The fact is that without

> SOME

> pattern

> there is nothing.

> Can existence be without a pattern? Even the question makes no sense...

> -geo-

>

 

For the I am.....there is no hope.

toomba

 

Now I am shaking in shear terror!!! I am going to !

-geo-

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Sunday, May 17, 2009 4:03 PM

Re: You know more then I do

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> You must know much more then I do.

> i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

>

> But you say there is nothing to loose.

> how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

>

> And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> No hope?, I say...

> What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> a new heart to feel.

> ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

>

> O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this

> empty bag, you say.

>

> I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

>

> You say all is well..

>

> but I am in terror...I fear..

> -geo-

 

No time to worry about it.

 

Just being the fear.

 

Now.

 

-- Dan

 

Yes...there is fear involved in death that is real. It is an energizing

cleansing fear.

Without it all is a bit grey.

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> >

> > You must know much more then I do.

> > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> > the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

> >

> > But you say there is nothing to loose.

> > how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

> >

> > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> > No hope?, I say...

> > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> > new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> > a new heart to feel.

> > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

> >

> > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this

> > empty bag, you say.

> >

> > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

> >

> > You say all is well..

> >

> > but I am in terror...I fear..

> > -geo-

> >

>

> The self is solidified fear.

>

> toombaru

>

> Mainly that. Fear of ending.

> -geo-

>

 

 

 

The ultimate fear is the fear of being.

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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>

> -

> toombaru2006

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, May 17, 2009 12:31 PM

> Re: You know more then I do

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > roberibus111

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:43 AM

> > Re: You know more then I do

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > roberibus111

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:46 AM

> > > Re: You know more then I do

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > You must know much more then I do.

> > > > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> > > > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

> > > > >

> > > > > But you say there is nothing to loose.

> > > > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> > > > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

> > > > >

> > > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> > > > > No hope?, I say...

> > > > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> > > > > new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> > > > > a new heart to feel.

> > > > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

> > > > >

> > > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just

> > > > > this

> > > > > empty bag, you say.

> > > > >

> > > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

> > > > >

> > > > > You say all is well..

> > > > >

> > > > > but I am in terror...I fear..

> > > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > > > who are you talking to?

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > > > To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself.

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > your fear " of " yourself?

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > Is there not a kind of objective " hope " invoved in this?

> > > If this human pattern appeared... is there not a kind of positive really

> > > existing expectation...

> > > or hope...that there WILL be another suitable pattern ? It could be

> > > otherwise - you know -

> > > amongst the infinite possibilities......;....;....;..;.;.;;;;;

> > > -geo-

> >

> > there is the thought that there is hope.

> >

> > that's the most that can be hoped for.

> >

> > but...

> >

> > who is this hope for hope..hoping for?

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > Now i feel it is not a matter of who anymore. The fact is that without

> > SOME

> > pattern

> > there is nothing.

> > Can existence be without a pattern? Even the question makes no sense...

> > -geo-

> >

>

> For the I am.....there is no hope.

> toomba

>

> Now I am shaking in shear terror!!! I am going to !

> -geo-

>

 

 

 

No......you won't.

 

You will see this through to the end.

 

 

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Sunday, May 17, 2009 5:53 PM

Re: You know more then I do

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> >

> > You must know much more then I do.

> > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> > the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

> >

> > But you say there is nothing to loose.

> > how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

> >

> > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> > No hope?, I say...

> > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> > new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> > a new heart to feel.

> > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

> >

> > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this

> > empty bag, you say.

> >

> > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

> >

> > You say all is well..

> >

> > but I am in terror...I fear..

> > -geo-

> >

>

> The self is solidified fear.

>

> toombaru

>

> Mainly that. Fear of ending.

> -geo-

>

 

The ultimate fear is the fear of being.

 

toombaru

 

True!

-geo-

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Sunday, May 17, 2009 5:54 PM

Re: You know more then I do

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> toombaru2006

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, May 17, 2009 12:31 PM

> Re: You know more then I do

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > roberibus111

> > Nisargadatta

> > Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:43 AM

> > Re: You know more then I do

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > roberibus111

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:46 AM

> > > Re: You know more then I do

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > You must know much more then I do.

> > > > > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> > > > > the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

> > > > >

> > > > > But you say there is nothing to loose.

> > > > > how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> > > > > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

> > > > >

> > > > > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> > > > > No hope?, I say...

> > > > > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> > > > > new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> > > > > a new heart to feel.

> > > > > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

> > > > >

> > > > > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then

> > > > > just

> > > > > this

> > > > > empty bag, you say.

> > > > >

> > > > > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

> > > > >

> > > > > You say all is well..

> > > > >

> > > > > but I am in terror...I fear..

> > > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > > > who are you talking to?

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > > > To myself. I am confessing my fear to myself.

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > your fear " of " yourself?

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > Is there not a kind of objective " hope " invoved in this?

> > > If this human pattern appeared... is there not a kind of positive

> > > really

> > > existing expectation...

> > > or hope...that there WILL be another suitable pattern ? It could be

> > > otherwise - you know -

> > > amongst the infinite possibilities......;....;....;..;.;.;;;;;

> > > -geo-

> >

> > there is the thought that there is hope.

> >

> > that's the most that can be hoped for.

> >

> > but...

> >

> > who is this hope for hope..hoping for?

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > Now i feel it is not a matter of who anymore. The fact is that without

> > SOME

> > pattern

> > there is nothing.

> > Can existence be without a pattern? Even the question makes no sense...

> > -geo-

> >

>

> For the I am.....there is no hope.

> toomba

>

> Now I am shaking in shear terror!!! I am going to !

> -geo-

>

 

No......you won't.

 

You will see this through to the end.

 

toombaru

 

Weird thing...we all are going to see this till the end.

Each one. (for those who dont like the we).

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> >

> > You must know much more then I do.

> > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> > the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

> >

> > But you say there is nothing to loose.

> > how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

> >

> > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> > No hope?, I say...

> > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> > new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> > a new heart to feel.

> > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

> >

> > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this

> > empty bag, you say.

> >

> > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

> >

> > You say all is well..

> >

> > but I am in terror...I fear..

> > -geo-

> >

>

> The self is solidified fear.

>

> toombaru

 

Yes. Fear made into a state, psychological fear.

 

Fear maintained as bodily tensioning, as contraction, as a sense of existing, as

being someone who has survived something threatening.

 

The sense of which is that very " solidification " : " I exist, something else

exists outside, and something can threaten me. "

 

 

> Mainly that. Fear of ending.

> -geo-

 

Yes.

 

And an assumption of having had a beginning, and having experienced something.

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > You must know much more then I do.

> > i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> > the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

> >

> > But you say there is nothing to loose.

> > how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> > all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

> >

> > And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> > No hope?, I say...

> > What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> > new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> > a new heart to feel.

> > ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

> >

> > O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just this

> > empty bag, you say.

> >

> > I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

> >

> > You say all is well..

> >

> > but I am in terror...I fear..

> > -geo-

> >

>

>

> The self is solidified fear.

>

 

> toombaru

 

That's good.

 

Appearance of solidity as born of fear.

 

Bill

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> You must know much more then I do.

> i see the human pattern standing at the edge of the cliff

> the last loose rock about go...taking it away.

>

> But you say there is nothing to loose.

> how come? all the colors i see i see through him

> all the sounds through his ears, his nose, his warmth...

>

> And then you go as far as to say: no hope you must have.

> No hope?, I say...

> What else then to hope that new eyes shell be give to me to see

> new ears to at least some sounds hear...

> a new heart to feel.

> ...anything...if after all all I am I am through it?

>

> O but there is the living emptiness...the only real..more then just

this

> empty bag, you say.

>

> I repeat: all i am, even the dreams i dream I owe to him.

>

> You say all is well..

>

> but I am in terror...I fear..

> -geo-

 

Nice bit of writing geo... which reminds me of a story:

 

One day a student asked his Master, " Tell me Master, what is it to

achieve enlightenment? "

 

The Master replied, " It is the dying the 'little death' "

 

" But tell me Master, " the student asked, " How can I die the 'little

death'? "

 

" Impossible! " the Master rebuked, " There's nothing you can do. Your

situation

is hopeless. "

 

The student was devastated, all his hopes of attaining enlightenment

drained

away.

 

Bill

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