Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:34 PM > Re: no pattern > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:05 PM > > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > > The self cannot awaken. > > > > > > > > The self IS the dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > And the self can't step out of the dream to compare it to some other > > > reality. > > > > > > So: self, reality, dream, illusion, falling asleep, waking up = the same > > > nonsense. > > > > > > Non. Sense. > > > > > > === > > > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who am I? > > > -geo- > > > > That question is an empty pattern. > > why do you seek patterns? > > .b b.b. > > I dont. It falled upon me like a black sheet of cloth. NO idea when. > -geo- no it didn't. that's why the when isn't seen there never was a when. nor a you. i'm not telling you anything you don't already know.. and are just telling yourself again... so that you can forget it.. and then get straight on with it..as " you " .. and " your " great big real world... full of important stuff.. in regards to.. " you " . ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:41 PM > Re: no pattern > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who > > > > > am I? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > That question is an empty pattern. > > > > It can serve to focus awareness on awareness. > > awareness is at times out of focus? > > .b b.b. > > It seems to focus on details and loose the whole. How is that? > -geo- i've got no fucking idea. " who " does " it " .. " seem " to focus on details and loose the whole. " ? maybe it's the same dude. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who > am I? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > That question is an empty pattern. > > > > It can serve to focus awareness on awareness. > > > > > Awareness can see anything.............but itself. Awareness is content to *be* itself. Particularly when it sees nothing apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who > am I? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > That question is an empty pattern. > > > > > > It can serve to focus awareness on awareness. > > > > > > > > > Awareness can see anything.............but itself. > > Awareness is content to *be* itself. Particularly when it sees nothing apart. > It needs something apart to see. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who > am I? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > That question is an empty pattern. > > > > > > > > It can serve to focus awareness on awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness can see anything.............but itself. > > > > Awareness is content to *be* itself. Particularly when it sees nothing apart. > > It needs something apart to see. No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who > am I? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > That question is an empty pattern. > > > > > > > > > > It can serve to focus awareness on awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness can see anything.............but itself. > > > > > > Awareness is content to *be* itself. Particularly when it sees nothing apart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It needs something apart to see. > > No. > You have unlearned nothing since we last met. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:38 PM > > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > -- In NondualitySalon , Bill Rishel <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no pattern > > > > > > that applies in the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To understand this is not a knowledge, > > > > > > but a freedom from knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > P: Those who don't understand that > > > > > existence itself is a pattern, don't > > > > > understand, period. Manifestation > > > > > is itself pattern. Consciousness is > > > > > the contrast between chaos and pattern. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > And pattern is the contrast between what is included in the pattern, and > > > > what isn't included ( " chaos " as you term it). > > > > > > > > And the boundary of inclusion/exclusion is only as real as the tension one > > > > is able to maintain regarding including and excluding. > > > > > > > > So-called human life. > > > > > > > > Thus, the teaching was offered: " Life is suffering. And there is freedom > > > > from suffering. " > > > > > > > > > > A Beautiful glimpse of the Emptiness. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > What bothers me here is that now I count three: > > > Consciousness, pattern and chaos. > > > But there is the gound yet. The ultimate. It is beyond all that... > > > -geo- > > > > No offense, but " the ground, the ultimate " are meaningless words. > > > > They point to nothing. > > > > The beyond is this, right here, right now. > > > no offense.. > > but why do you say " no offense " .. > > than try and out dual nondually another nobody? > > talk about meaningless falderol. > > .b b.b. that's not what happened, bob. but that's what happened for you. you projected your own competitiveness and missed the message. so, it's not for you. and if someone heard the message, it's for that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:29 PM > Re: no pattern > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:38 PM > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > -- In NondualitySalon , Bill Rishel <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is no pattern > > > > > that applies in the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To understand this is not a knowledge, > > > > > but a freedom from knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > P: Those who don't understand that > > > > existence itself is a pattern, don't > > > > understand, period. Manifestation > > > > is itself pattern. Consciousness is > > > > the contrast between chaos and pattern. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > And pattern is the contrast between what is included in the pattern, and > > > what isn't included ( " chaos " as you term it). > > > > > > And the boundary of inclusion/exclusion is only as real as the tension > > > one > > > is able to maintain regarding including and excluding. > > > > > > So-called human life. > > > > > > Thus, the teaching was offered: " Life is suffering. And there is freedom > > > from suffering. " > > > > > > > A Beautiful glimpse of the Emptiness. > > > > toombaru > > > > What bothers me here is that now I count three: > > Consciousness, pattern and chaos. > > But there is the gound yet. The ultimate. It is beyond all that... > > -geo- > > No offense, but " the ground, the ultimate " are meaningless words. > > They point to nothing. > > The beyond is this, right here, right now. > > geo> It is. And this isness patterns. Thats all. > Patterns include chaos, consciousness. Yes, patterns is a verb, in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who > am I? > > > -geo- > > > > That question is an empty pattern. > > It can serve to focus awareness on awareness. One can have a focus or lose that focus. What has never been had, is never lost. Lose everything that can be lost: one's focus, the " I, " orientation. What remains, is. Beyond is or is not. Yet here, now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:31 PM > Re: no pattern > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:05 PM > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > The self cannot awaken. > > > > > > The self IS the dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Yes. > > > > And the self can't step out of the dream to compare it to some other > > reality. > > > > So: self, reality, dream, illusion, falling asleep, waking up = the same > > nonsense. > > > > Non. Sense. > > > > === > > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who am I? > > -geo- > > That question is an empty pattern. > == > Only if answered. It is the ending of the patterns by not beginning. don't pick it up, and you won't get burned. pick it up, and you have to look for blister ointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:42 PM > Re: Re: no pattern - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:31 PM > Re: no pattern > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:05 PM > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > The self cannot awaken. > > > > > > The self IS the dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Yes. > > > > And the self can't step out of the dream to compare it to some other > > reality. > > > > So: self, reality, dream, illusion, falling asleep, waking up = the same > > nonsense. > > > > Non. Sense. > > > > === > > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who am I? > > -geo- > > That question is an empty pattern. > == > Only if answered. It is the ending of the patterns > No. It is the awareness of the empty patterns. awareness and the pattern aren't two. awareness of, and that of which it is aware, are never two. whatever name you give to the object doesn't matter. if you name the object as " awareness " and the subject as " nothing " ... it doesn't matter. subject/object not-two. say what you will, it's not a matter of how it's said. it's instantaneous or not at all. all or nothing. one seeing this sees all at once, all objects and all awarenesses included. awareness isn't a singular thing. there are many awarenesses. there is no unifying awareness. just this. as no actual division ever occurred, there is no need to provide a unifying concept. poing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:34 PM > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:05 PM > > > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > The self cannot awaken. > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > And the self can't step out of the dream to compare it to some other > > > > reality. > > > > > > > > So: self, reality, dream, illusion, falling asleep, waking up = the same > > > > nonsense. > > > > > > > > Non. Sense. > > > > > > > > === > > > > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who am I? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > That question is an empty pattern. > > > > why do you seek patterns? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > I dont. It falled upon me like a black sheet of cloth. NO idea when. > > -geo- > > > no it didn't. > > that's why the when isn't seen > > there never was a when. > > nor a you. > > i'm not telling you anything you don't already know.. > > and are just telling yourself again... > > so that you can forget it.. > > and then get straight on with it..as " you " .. > > and " your " great big real world... > > full of important stuff.. > > in regards to.. > > " you " . > > > .b b.b. kill it before it multiplies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > awareness and the pattern aren't two. > > awareness of, and that of which it is aware, are never two. > > whatever name you give to the object doesn't matter. > > if you name the object as " awareness " and the subject as " nothing " ... it doesn't matter. > > subject/object not-two. Absolutely. > one seeing this sees all at once, all objects and all awarenesses > included. > > awareness isn't a singular thing. > > there are many awarenesses. Where are the other ones? Behind my back? On the ceiling? Stuck to a frozen lamppost after licking it? ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > awareness and the pattern aren't two. > > > > awareness of, and that of which it is aware, are never two. > > > > whatever name you give to the object doesn't matter. > > > > if you name the object as " awareness " and the subject as " nothing " ... it doesn't matter. > > > > subject/object not-two. > > Absolutely. > > > one seeing this sees all at once, all objects and all awarenesses > > included. > > > > awareness isn't a singular thing. > > > > there are many awarenesses. > > Where are the other ones? Behind my back? On the ceiling? Stuck to a frozen lamppost after licking it? ;-). each object has its awareness that goes with it. nothing is unifying the awarenesses. there is no need for unification. nothing has been split. there is no need for a unifying underlying concept or quality, such as an imaginary singular " awareness " -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > awareness and the pattern aren't two. > > > > > > awareness of, and that of which it is aware, are never two. > > > > > > whatever name you give to the object doesn't matter. > > > > > > if you name the object as " awareness " and the subject as " nothing " ... it doesn't matter. > > > > > > subject/object not-two. > > > > Absolutely. > > > > > one seeing this sees all at once, all objects and all awarenesses > > > included. > > > > > > awareness isn't a singular thing. > > > > > > there are many awarenesses. > > > > Where are the other ones? Behind my back? On the ceiling? Stuck to a frozen lamppost after licking it? ;-). > > each object has its awareness that goes with it. " Objects " suggest objectivity, which is mental. Objects don't exist. I don't know what you mean by " each object " , apart from mental labeling. > nothing is unifying the awarenesses. > > there is no need for unification. > > nothing has been split. Has someone suggested something has? :-p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > awareness and the pattern aren't two. > > > > > > awareness of, and that of which it is aware, are never two. > > > > > > whatever name you give to the object doesn't matter. > > > > > > if you name the object as " awareness " and the subject as " nothing " ... it doesn't matter. > > > > > > subject/object not-two. > > > > Absolutely. > > > > > one seeing this sees all at once, all objects and all awarenesses > > > included. > > > > > > awareness isn't a singular thing. > > > > > > there are many awarenesses. > > > > Where are the other ones? Behind my back? On the ceiling? Stuck to a frozen lamppost after licking it? ;-). > > each object has its awareness that goes with it. " Objects " suggest objectivity, which is mental. Objects don't exist. I don't know what you mean by " each object " , apart from mental labeling. > nothing is unifying the awarenesses. > > there is no need for unification. > > nothing has been split. Has someone suggested something has? :-p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > awareness and the pattern aren't two. > > > > > > > > awareness of, and that of which it is aware, are never two. > > > > > > > > whatever name you give to the object doesn't matter. > > > > > > > > if you name the object as " awareness " and the subject as " nothing " ... it doesn't matter. > > > > > > > > subject/object not-two. > > > > > > Absolutely. > > > > > > > one seeing this sees all at once, all objects and all awarenesses > > > > included. > > > > > > > > awareness isn't a singular thing. > > > > > > > > there are many awarenesses. > > > > > > Where are the other ones? Behind my back? On the ceiling? Stuck to a frozen lamppost after licking it? ;-). > > > > each object has its awareness that goes with it. > > " Objects " suggest objectivity, which is mental. Objects don't exist. I don't know what you mean by " each object " , apart from mental labeling. I don't know what you mean, you don't know what you mean. All these words are " mental labelling. " Do you think a " subject " is less of a mental label than an " object " ? > > nothing is unifying the awarenesses. > > > > there is no need for unification. > > > > nothing has been split. > > Has someone suggested something has? :-p. Then toss out the unifying constructs, who needs 'em? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > > Where are the other ones? Behind my back? On the ceiling? Stuck to a frozen lamppost after licking it? ;-). > > > > > > each object has its awareness that goes with it. > > > > " Objects " suggest objectivity, which is mental. Objects don't exist. I don't know what you mean by " each object " , apart from mental labeling. > > I don't know what you mean, you don't know what you mean. > > All these words are " mental labelling. " > > Do you think a " subject " is less of a mental label than an " object " ? I don't see the relevance. What objects are you talking about? > > Has someone suggested something has? :-p. > > Then toss out the unifying constructs, who needs 'em? What unifying constructs? I don't see multiple " awarenesses " , therefore I don't talk of " awarenesses " . Simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:38 PM > > > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In NondualitySalon , Bill Rishel <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no pattern > > > > > > > that applies in the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To understand this is not a knowledge, > > > > > > > but a freedom from knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Those who don't understand that > > > > > > existence itself is a pattern, don't > > > > > > understand, period. Manifestation > > > > > > is itself pattern. Consciousness is > > > > > > the contrast between chaos and pattern. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > And pattern is the contrast between what is included in the pattern, and > > > > > what isn't included ( " chaos " as you term it). > > > > > > > > > > And the boundary of inclusion/exclusion is only as real as the tension one > > > > > is able to maintain regarding including and excluding. > > > > > > > > > > So-called human life. > > > > > > > > > > Thus, the teaching was offered: " Life is suffering. And there is freedom > > > > > from suffering. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Beautiful glimpse of the Emptiness. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > What bothers me here is that now I count three: > > > > Consciousness, pattern and chaos. > > > > But there is the gound yet. The ultimate. It is beyond all that... > > > > -geo- > > > > > > No offense, but " the ground, the ultimate " are meaningless words. > > > > > > They point to nothing. > > > > > > The beyond is this, right here, right now. > > > > > > no offense.. > > > > but why do you say " no offense " .. > > > > than try and out dual nondually another nobody? > > > > talk about meaningless falderol. > > > > .b b.b. > > that's not what happened, bob. > > but that's what happened for you. > > you projected your own competitiveness and missed the message. > > so, it's not for you. > > and if someone heard the message, it's for that one. yes that's what happened. it did not happen for me. i projected nothing. i am not for it to be. what message oh swami? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > geo > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:42 PM > > Re: Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:31 PM > > Re: no pattern > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:05 PM > > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > > The self cannot awaken. > > > > > > > > The self IS the dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > And the self can't step out of the dream to compare it to some other > > > reality. > > > > > > So: self, reality, dream, illusion, falling asleep, waking up = the same > > > nonsense. > > > > > > Non. Sense. > > > > > > === > > > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who am I? > > > -geo- > > > > That question is an empty pattern. > > == > > Only if answered. It is the ending of the patterns > > No. It is the awareness of the empty patterns. > > awareness and the pattern aren't two. > > awareness of, and that of which it is aware, are never two. > > whatever name you give to the object doesn't matter. > > if you name the object as " awareness " and the subject as " nothing " ... it doesn't matter. > > subject/object not-two. > > say what you will, it's not a matter of how it's said. > > it's instantaneous or not at all. > > all or nothing. > > one seeing this sees all at once, all objects and all awarenesses included. > > awareness isn't a singular thing. > > there are many awarenesses. > > there is no unifying awareness. > > just this. > > as no actual division ever occurred, there is no need to provide a unifying concept. > > poing! pathetic puke. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:34 PM > > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, May 16, 2009 5:05 PM > > > > > Re: no pattern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > The self cannot awaken. > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > And the self can't step out of the dream to compare it to some other > > > > > reality. > > > > > > > > > > So: self, reality, dream, illusion, falling asleep, waking up = the same > > > > > nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > Non. Sense. > > > > > > > > > > === > > > > > Waking up: all patterns are seen as they are...empty patterns. Who am I? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > That question is an empty pattern. > > > > > > why do you seek patterns? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > I dont. It falled upon me like a black sheet of cloth. NO idea when. > > > -geo- > > > > > > no it didn't. > > > > that's why the when isn't seen > > > > there never was a when. > > > > nor a you. > > > > i'm not telling you anything you don't already know.. > > > > and are just telling yourself again... > > > > so that you can forget it.. > > > > and then get straight on with it..as " you " .. > > > > and " your " great big real world... > > > > full of important stuff.. > > > > in regards to.. > > > > " you " . > > > > > > .b b.b. > > kill it before it multiplies. what's to kill and who's to do the killing? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > awareness and the pattern aren't two. > > > > > > awareness of, and that of which it is aware, are never two. > > > > > > whatever name you give to the object doesn't matter. > > > > > > if you name the object as " awareness " and the subject as " nothing " ... it doesn't matter. > > > > > > subject/object not-two. > > > > Absolutely. > > > > > one seeing this sees all at once, all objects and all awarenesses > > > included. > > > > > > awareness isn't a singular thing. > > > > > > there are many awarenesses. > > > > Where are the other ones? Behind my back? On the ceiling? Stuck to a frozen lamppost after licking it? ;-). > > each object has its awareness that goes with it. > > nothing is unifying the awarenesses. > > there is no need for unification. > > nothing has been split. > > there is no need for a unifying underlying concept or quality, such as an imaginary singular " awareness " -- why so much gab about that which isn't? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > Where are the other ones? Behind my back? On the ceiling? Stuck to a frozen lamppost after licking it? ;-). > > > > > > > > each object has its awareness that goes with it. > > > > > > " Objects " suggest objectivity, which is mental. Objects don't exist. I don't know what you mean by " each object " , apart from mental labeling. > > > > I don't know what you mean, you don't know what you mean. > > > > All these words are " mental labelling. " > > > > Do you think a " subject " is less of a mental label than an " object " ? > > I don't see the relevance. What objects are you talking about? > > > > Has someone suggested something has? :-p. > > > > Then toss out the unifying constructs, who needs 'em? > > What unifying constructs? I don't see multiple " awarenesses " , therefore I don't talk of " awarenesses " . Simple. Toss out " I " while you're at it. What do you see that isn't a construct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > yes that's what happened. > > it did not happen for me. > > i projected nothing. > > i am not for it to be. > > what message oh swami? > > .b b.b. who cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > pathetic puke. > > .b b.b. here, try some Alka Seltzer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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