Guest guest Report post Posted May 4, 2008 I was with you all the way until the moron statement. , " Era " <mi_nok wrote: > > Dear Harsha et al, I would love to compare the Western and Eastern > meaning of the word and term ego for harmony. > > Here is Gene and than Gopala: > > My best advice is to treat the word 'ego' > as a bit of jargon. > > As we may already know, 'jargon' is the > special vocabulary use by specialists, and > as such, is likely to be misused by non- > experts. > > In fact, it is my observation that if one > never, ever uses the word 'ego', one will > be far better for such a 'practice'. > > From my POV of years of study pre-internet, > and then from years online, the word 'ego' > is one of the most dangerous words that > can be used in text, speech and thought. > > Use of the word 'ego' is what is called, in > linguistics, a 'wastebasket term'. It was not > always this way, but thanks to popular > misuse, this is now the case. > > What is a 'wastebasket' term? It is a word > which is like a wastebasket; it is a catchall, > a summary, with such broad definition as > to be useless, except as a general pointer > or category. 'Schizophrenia' is another such > word, as is 'idiot' and 'fool'. > > More to the point; almost everyone 'thinks' > they know, what the word means. But in the > 'lingua Franca' or currency of language, 'ego' > has no determinate value. It is like a coin > which changes value randomly. So it is best > to take no stock of it; it is either worthless > or valuable, depending exactly on who is > speaking of it, and then, who is listening. > > As I have pointed out here and elsewhere > numerous times, the history of the misuse > of the word 'ego' became a factor of danger, > many years ago, when 'hipsters' (NOT hippies) > imported a few Indian 'Gurus' to speak here > in the USA. Such 'Beat' poets, writers and > social luminaries indulged in such altruistic > efforts, imagined that the 'Gurus' would be > the 'spiritual guides' for a nation starving > for higher truth. Little did they know how > wrong they were... > > The 'danger' of misuse of the word 'ego' > arose to the threat-level of 'RED' when the > Indian Gurus, searching for an English word > which could be interchanged with the 'Hindi' > words for 'false self', began using 'ego' as that > very descriptor. UNFORTUNATELY, those good- > hearted Gurus did not realize that the word 'ego' > was ALREADY IN USE in the west, as a term of > insult. 'Ego' was used to describe a person who > had an unrealistically high estimation of self-worth, > as in 'what an egotist!' and so on. All of us are > quite familiar with that colloquial use of the word, > are we not? > > Now why were these first few imported Gurus > going on and on about 'false self', using the word > 'ego' as a convenience? The answer is this, and it > may be hard to take, so be sure you are sitting > down as you read this... > > 'You do not know yourself', was the simple message > in the beginning. It was to say, that there is a level > of awareness to be attained, and there are means to > attain it. And when you attain it, you will look back > and realize you were more than a bit blinded by > your prior ignorance. It was that simple, in the beginning. > > But due to the misuse of the word 'ego', things got out of > hand very quickly. Popularized versions of the 'teachings' > were soon available, and soon, an entire mythos evolved > which was based upon THE MISUSE OF A WORD. And this > mythos had grown and amplified and has been trumpeted > hither and yon, the latest example of this idiocy being > exampled by Mr E Tolle, whose own misuse of 'ego' has > spawned an entire generation of newly hatched > spiritual morons... as though we did not have enough > already! > > Again, my best advice is to simply expunge the word > 'ego' from your vocabulary, and to carry on with your > studies and practices, using only PLAIN SPEAKING > instead of jargon. > > I have a dare for this group. I can reasonably state that > we have here, so many jargon-dependent persons, that > no matter what, the word 'ego' will be swatted back > and forth like a toxic shuttlecock, to no-one's benefit. > > So my dare is this, and it is aimed at you, the reader: > > TRY to have conversation here, using only plain words > and no jargon. > > TRY to converse about your favorite topics, without that > shortcut/wastebasket term 'ego'. You could even go so > far as to hold yourself responsible for producing complete > ideas which actually DESCRIBE what you are trying to say, > rather than chop it off with a word which is in fact a > signal of universal confusion. > > I dare you. Give it a try. The results could be 'enlightening'. > > > ==GP== > > > You do NOT know what it means > because it means " nothing " . > > Start there... > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > From : http://www.swamij.com/kundalini-awakening-6.htm > The student rejoices: In the text, Vivekachudamini (The Crest Jewel of > Discrimination), Adi Shankaracharya relates a symbolic story of the > interaction between a teacher and a student. Shankara writes of the > final joy of realization of the Absolute, where the student cries out: > > " The ego has disappeared. I have realized my identity with Brahman > [the word for the absolute reality] and so all my desires have melted > away. I have risen above my ignorance and my knowledge of this seeming > universe. What is this joy that I feel? Who shall measure it? I know > nothing but joy, limitless, unbounded! > " The ocean of Brahman is full of nectar--the joy of the Atman [the > individual Self]. The treasure I have found there cannot be described > in words. The mind cannot conceive of it. My mind fell like a > hailstone into that vast expanse of Brahman's ocean. Touching one drop > of it, I melted away and became one with Brahman. And now, though I > return to human consciousness, I abide in the joy of the Atman. > " Where is this universe? Who took it away? Has it merged into > something else? A while ago, I beheld it--now it exists no longer. > This is wonderful indeed! > " Here is the ocean of Brahman, full of endless joy. How can I > accept or reject anything? Is there anything apart or distinct from > Brahman? > " Now, finally and clearly, I know that I am the Atman, whose > nature is eternal joy. I see nothing, I hear nothing, I know nothing > that is separate from me. " > > OM, shanti, shanti, shanti > OM, peace, peace, peace > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 4, 2008 , " simonboyton " <simon.boyton wrote: > > I was with you all the way until the moron statement. I agree - swearing is entirely unnecessary. There's something egoic about using terms like this, even in everyday conversation. People don't seem to realize swearing is the ego asserting - why don't we use clear terms that don't trigger off other people in negative ways? Let's come to recognize that anytime we see words like this (even such as b**ls**t), it's always ego speaking. And more subtly, words such as 'struggle', 'effort', 'challenge' are also egoic terms that we can come to recognize as related to the ego. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 4, 2008 > > I was with you all the way until the moron statement. > > , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > Dear Harsha et al, I would love to compare the Western and > > Eastern > > meaning of the word and term ego for harmony. > > > > Here is Gene and than Gopala: Well Gene Poole is not a member here, so I'll not say more, than that I like his writings including using phrases as 'moron', he is an original thinker. I am sure Harsha ji agrees and so does Jerry Katcz: http://www.nonduality.com/gplogo5.jpg <http://us.f326.mail./ym/%20%20%20%20%20http://www.nonduality.c\ om/gplogo5.jpg> Gene Poole <gene_poole is intellectual, awakened, acutely insightful, intensely interested in communicating about nondual perspective outside the religious and even spiritual contexts. If anything, his specialty may be termed " pioneering nondualism. " --Jerry Katz Introductions to Gene Poole's Fundamental Perspectives * Defining Nonduality <http://www.nonduality.com/whatis3.htm#1> * Gnostica <http://www.nonduality.com/gene9.htm> * Identity and Compassion <http://www.nonduality.com/gene10.htm> * The Difference Between John Ashcroft and Gene Poole <http://www.nonduality.com/021001gp.htm> * Power Over the World <http://www.nonduality.com/1000gp.htm> * Abidance, Nonattachment, and Detachment <http://www.nonduality.com/1126gp.htm> * Criteria and Original Nature <http://www.nonduality.com/archive1.htm#21> * Criteria to Fine Dust <http://www.nonduality.com/archive2.htm#13> * The Original Gift <http://www.nonduality.com/archive1.htm#28> * Dreaming a Life <http://www.nonduality.com/archive3.htm#23> more: http://www.nonduality.com/gene.htm <http://www.nonduality.com/gene.htm> Era <http://us.f326.mail./ym/%20%20%20%20%20http://www.nonduality.c\ om/gplogo5.jpg> > > My best advice is to treat the word 'ego' > > as a bit of jargon. > > > > As we may already know, 'jargon' is the > > special vocabulary use by specialists, and > > as such, is likely to be misused by non- > > experts. > > > > In fact, it is my observation that if one > > never, ever uses the word 'ego', one will > > be far better for such a 'practice'. > > > > From my POV of years of study pre-internet, > > and then from years online, the word 'ego' > > is one of the most dangerous words that > > can be used in text, speech and thought. > > > > Use of the word 'ego' is what is called, in > > linguistics, a 'wastebasket term'. It was not > > always this way, but thanks to popular > > misuse, this is now the case. > > > > What is a 'wastebasket' term? It is a word > > which is like a wastebasket; it is a catchall, > > a summary, with such broad definition as > > to be useless, except as a general pointer > > or category. 'Schizophrenia' is another such > > word, as is 'idiot' and 'fool'. > > > > More to the point; almost everyone 'thinks' > > they know, what the word means. But in the > > 'lingua Franca' or currency of language, 'ego' > > has no determinate value. It is like a coin > > which changes value randomly. So it is best > > to take no stock of it; it is either worthless > > or valuable, depending exactly on who is > > speaking of it, and then, who is listening. > > > > As I have pointed out here and elsewhere > > numerous times, the history of the misuse > > of the word 'ego' became a factor of danger, > > many years ago, when 'hipsters' (NOT hippies) > > imported a few Indian 'Gurus' to speak here > > in the USA. Such 'Beat' poets, writers and > > social luminaries indulged in such altruistic > > efforts, imagined that the 'Gurus' would be > > the 'spiritual guides' for a nation starving > > for higher truth. Little did they know how > > wrong they were... > > > > The 'danger' of misuse of the word 'ego' > > arose to the threat-level of 'RED' when the > > Indian Gurus, searching for an English word > > which could be interchanged with the 'Hindi' > > words for 'false self', began using 'ego' as that > > very descriptor. UNFORTUNATELY, those good- > > hearted Gurus did not realize that the word 'ego' > > was ALREADY IN USE in the west, as a term of > > insult. 'Ego' was used to describe a person who > > had an unrealistically high estimation of self-worth, > > as in 'what an egotist!' and so on. All of us are > > quite familiar with that colloquial use of the word, > > are we not? > > > > Now why were these first few imported Gurus > > going on and on about 'false self', using the word > > 'ego' as a convenience? The answer is this, and it > > may be hard to take, so be sure you are sitting > > down as you read this... > > > > 'You do not know yourself', was the simple message > > in the beginning. It was to say, that there is a level > > of awareness to be attained, and there are means to > > attain it. And when you attain it, you will look back > > and realize you were more than a bit blinded by > > your prior ignorance. It was that simple, in the beginning. > > > > But due to the misuse of the word 'ego', things got out of > > hand very quickly. Popularized versions of the 'teachings' > > were soon available, and soon, an entire mythos evolved > > which was based upon THE MISUSE OF A WORD. And this > > mythos had grown and amplified and has been trumpeted > > hither and yon, the latest example of this idiocy being > > exampled by Mr E Tolle, whose own misuse of 'ego' has > > spawned an entire generation of newly hatched > > spiritual morons... as though we did not have enough > > already! > > > > Again, my best advice is to simply expunge the word > > 'ego' from your vocabulary, and to carry on with your > > studies and practices, using only PLAIN SPEAKING > > instead of jargon. > > > > I have a dare for this group. I can reasonably state that > > we have here, so many jargon-dependent persons, that > > no matter what, the word 'ego' will be swatted back > > and forth like a toxic shuttlecock, to no-one's benefit. > > > > So my dare is this, and it is aimed at you, the reader: > > > > TRY to have conversation here, using only plain words > > and no jargon. > > > > TRY to converse about your favorite topics, without that > > shortcut/wastebasket term 'ego'. You could even go so > > far as to hold yourself responsible for producing complete > > ideas which actually DESCRIBE what you are trying to say, > > rather than chop it off with a word which is in fact a > > signal of universal confusion. > > > > I dare you. Give it a try. The results could be 'enlightening'. > > > > > > ==GP== > > > > > > You do NOT know what it means > > because it means " nothing " . > > > > Start there... > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > > From : http://www.swamij.com/kundalini-awakening-6.htm > > The student rejoices: In the text, Vivekachudamini (The Crest Jewel of > > Discrimination), Adi Shankaracharya relates a symbolic story of the > > interaction between a teacher and a student. Shankara writes of the > > final joy of realization of the Absolute, where the student cries out: > > > > " The ego has disappeared. I have realized my identity with Brahman > > [the word for the absolute reality] and so all my desires have melted > > away. I have risen above my ignorance and my knowledge of this seeming > > universe. What is this joy that I feel? Who shall measure it? I know > > nothing but joy, limitless, unbounded! > > " The ocean of Brahman is full of nectar--the joy of the Atman [the > > individual Self]. The treasure I have found there cannot be described > > in words. The mind cannot conceive of it. My mind fell like a > > hailstone into that vast expanse of Brahman's ocean. Touching one drop > > of it, I melted away and became one with Brahman. And now, though I > > return to human consciousness, I abide in the joy of the Atman. > > " Where is this universe? Who took it away? Has it merged into > > something else? A while ago, I beheld it--now it exists no longer. > > This is wonderful indeed! > > " Here is the ocean of Brahman, full of endless joy. How can I > > accept or reject anything? Is there anything apart or distinct from > > Brahman? > > " Now, finally and clearly, I know that I am the Atman, whose > > nature is eternal joy. I see nothing, I hear nothing, I know nothing > > that is separate from me. " > > > > OM, shanti, shanti, shanti > > OM, peace, peace, peace > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2008 Dear Era, Usually we should not discuss conversations from other lists here as all the participants are missing. Yes, I agree with you that Gene is a very powerful and an original thinker. So is Jerry Katz. As far as the word " ego " goes, I do not gravitate towards using it much as it conveys a subtle sense of violence. In spiritual circles and by gurus such terms are sometimes used to make others feel unholy, inferior, and thereby control them. It is simply the old religion with its culture of fear in a new disguise. The philosophy we follow (of Sri Bhagavan's teaching) is very simple. That is to be natural and be aware of our sense of identity and where it arises from. So that is enough for us. The natural state, also known as Sahaj Samadhi, is beyond conflicts of concepts. Even if there are internal or external conflicts, we accept them as part of the human condition and do the best we can and surrender them to the feet of the Lord of the Heart. Everyone has their own unique spiritual path to lead them to self-understanding and Self-Realization. We need not be overly critical of others. When I left my teacher Chitrabhanu-ji to go back to graduate school, his parting advice to me was, " Live and let live. " You can read about Chitrabhanu-ji and Sri Ramana on the following link. Chitrabhanu-ji used to go visit the Sage in his teen years. 2007/01/13/sri-ramana-and-my-teacher-gurudev-sri-chitrabha nu-ji/ Here is a poem I wrote as a dedication to Chitrabhanu-ji for teaching me about the philosophy of nonviolence (Ahimsa). 2007/05/18/let-this-feeling-never-part/ Namaste and love to all Harsha On Behalf Of Era Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:27 PM Re: Ego Well Gene Poole is not a member here, so I'll not say more, than that I like his writings including using phrases as 'moron', he is an original thinker. I am sure Harsha ji agrees and so does Jerry Katcz: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2008 Dear Harsha Though I have used the term " ego " to refer to my own issues in previous posts, I am happy now to use the phrase " sense of identity " , as you suggest. May I ask, in Sri Bhagavan's teachings, is the sense of identity also understood to directly cause behaviour such as grasping / craving, judgment / aversion / rejection, superiority, relentless mental commentary, possessiveness and " negative " emotions generally or are those things said to have any other specific or intermediate cause(s)? I would be very grateful for any insights. Peace and love to all Raph , " Harsha " wrote: > > Dear Era, > > Usually we should not discuss conversations from other lists here as all the > participants are missing. > > Yes, I agree with you that Gene is a very powerful and an original thinker. > So is Jerry Katz. > > As far as the word " ego " goes, I do not gravitate towards using it much as > it conveys a subtle sense of violence. In spiritual circles and by gurus > such terms are sometimes used to make others feel unholy, inferior, and > thereby control them. It is simply the old religion with its culture of fear > in a new disguise. > > The philosophy we follow (of Sri Bhagavan's teaching) is very simple. That > is to be natural and be aware of our sense of identity and where it arises > from. So that is enough for us. The natural state, also known as Sahaj > Samadhi, is beyond conflicts of concepts. Even if there are internal or > external conflicts, we accept them as part of the human condition and do the > best we can and surrender them to the feet of the Lord of the Heart. > > Everyone has their own unique spiritual path to lead them to > self-understanding and Self-Realization. We need not be overly critical of > others. When I left my teacher Chitrabhanu-ji to go back to graduate school, > his parting advice to me was, " Live and let live. " > > You can read about Chitrabhanu-ji and Sri Ramana on the following link. > Chitrabhanu-ji used to go visit the Sage in his teen years. > > 2007/01/13/sri-ramana-and-my-teacher-gurudev-sri- chitrabha > nu-ji/ > > Here is a poem I wrote as a dedication to Chitrabhanu-ji for teaching me > about the philosophy of nonviolence (Ahimsa). > > 2007/05/18/let-this-feeling-never-part/ > > Namaste and love to all > Harsha > > > > > > On Behalf Of Era > Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:27 PM > > Re: Ego > > > Well Gene Poole is not a member here, so I'll not say more, than that I > like > his writings including using phrases as 'moron', he is an original > thinker. > > I am sure Harsha ji agrees and so does Jerry Katcz: > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2008 Hi Raph, From here, 'sense of identity' isn't perfect either (as Self could be considered *I*dentity), but then again even the word Self could be confused with 'self' (small S). I still use 'ego' myself, because it's in widespread use and I figure we might as well... it's too late to get everyone to agree on an alternate word :-). From a position of clarity or intuition, we can see what the " not-Self " is, so if we're coming from that perspective then 'ego' is clear - it's only when we aren't that the definition goes all over the place, if that makes any sense. Tim , " Raph " <beingnothing00 wrote: > > Dear Harsha > > Though I have used the term " ego " to refer to my own issues in > previous posts, I am happy now to use the phrase " sense of > identity " , as you suggest. > > May I ask, in Sri Bhagavan's teachings, is the sense of identity > also understood to directly cause behaviour such as grasping / > craving, judgment / aversion / rejection, superiority, relentless > mental commentary, possessiveness and " negative " emotions generally > or are those things said to have any other specific or intermediate > cause(s)? > > I would be very grateful for any insights. > > Peace and love to all > Raph > > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > Dear Era, > > > > Usually we should not discuss conversations from other lists here > as all the > > participants are missing. > > > > Yes, I agree with you that Gene is a very powerful and an original > thinker. > > So is Jerry Katz. > > > > As far as the word " ego " goes, I do not gravitate towards using it > much as > > it conveys a subtle sense of violence. In spiritual circles and by > gurus > > such terms are sometimes used to make others feel unholy, > inferior, and > > thereby control them. It is simply the old religion with its > culture of fear > > in a new disguise. > > > > The philosophy we follow (of Sri Bhagavan's teaching) is very > simple. That > > is to be natural and be aware of our sense of identity and where > it arises > > from. So that is enough for us. The natural state, also known as > Sahaj > > Samadhi, is beyond conflicts of concepts. Even if there are > internal or > > external conflicts, we accept them as part of the human condition > and do the > > best we can and surrender them to the feet of the Lord of the > Heart. > > > > Everyone has their own unique spiritual path to lead them to > > self-understanding and Self-Realization. We need not be overly > critical of > > others. When I left my teacher Chitrabhanu-ji to go back to > graduate school, > > his parting advice to me was, " Live and let live. " > > > > You can read about Chitrabhanu-ji and Sri Ramana on the following > link. > > Chitrabhanu-ji used to go visit the Sage in his teen years. > > > > 2007/01/13/sri-ramana-and-my-teacher-gurudev- sri- > chitrabha > > nu-ji/ > > > > Here is a poem I wrote as a dedication to Chitrabhanu-ji for > teaching me > > about the philosophy of nonviolence (Ahimsa). > > > > 2007/05/18/let-this-feeling-never-part/ > > > > Namaste and love to all > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Era > > Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:27 PM > > > > Re: Ego > > > > > > Well Gene Poole is not a member here, so I'll not say more, than > that I > > like > > his writings including using phrases as 'moron', he is an original > > thinker. > > > > I am sure Harsha ji agrees and so does Jerry Katcz: > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2008 Dear Raph, Please use whatever term seems natural to you to communicate without worry. Whether it is ego, personality, mind, etc., use the terms that seem right at the time. I only gave my view that's all. All conversations and words have a context in which these are understood. Thirty years ago, I often used the term " positive ego " and emphasized it to my friends. " A person should have a positive ego in order to transcend it. " That is what I used to say. My feeling was that one must have a good and positive sense of self and self-worth to move ahead on the spiritual path. Mantras and many other affirmation methods are used to create that positive energy within us. That is the yogic perspective I learned from my teacher. It can be quite effective. So one can use different terms. That is not important. How we use the terms like ego and other words, that is important. We can punish ourselves by judging ourselves too harshly and call ourselves egotistical and so on. We could do the same to others. But Ahimsa means to be gentle with one's own self as well as others. How do we overcome these type of negative responses from our karmic makeup or personality. We do it by good association of friends and positive affirmations and gradually that helps. One time when I was a very young yogi in my early 20s, I asked my friend to ask me something. I said, please ask me, " Are you holier than me? " He said, " Why should I ask you that Harsha? What is the point? " I said, " Just ask me. Just ask me if I am holier than you. " So my friend said, " Harsha, are you holier than me? " I said, " Yes, I am holier than thou. " That was a lot of fun to be able to say that and we had a great laugh. Simple pleasures of life. Namaste and love to all Harsh On Behalf Of Raph Sunday, May 04, 2008 8:07 PM Re: Ego Dear Harsha Though I have used the term " ego " to refer to my own issues in previous posts, I am happy now to use the phrase " sense of identity " , as you suggest. May I ask, in Sri Bhagavan's teachings, is the sense of identity also understood to directly cause behaviour such as grasping / craving, judgment / aversion / rejection, superiority, relentless mental commentary, possessiveness and " negative " emotions generally or are those things said to have any other specific or intermediate cause(s)? I would be very grateful for any insights. Peace and love to all Raph , " Harsha " wrote: > > Dear Era, > > Usually we should not discuss conversations from other lists here as all the > participants are missing. > > Yes, I agree with you that Gene is a very powerful and an original thinker. > So is Jerry Katz. > > As far as the word " ego " goes, I do not gravitate towards using it much as > it conveys a subtle sense of violence. In spiritual circles and by gurus > such terms are sometimes used to make others feel unholy, inferior, and > thereby control them. It is simply the old religion with its culture of fear > in a new disguise. > > The philosophy we follow (of Sri Bhagavan's teaching) is very simple. That > is to be natural and be aware of our sense of identity and where it arises > from. So that is enough for us. The natural state, also known as Sahaj > Samadhi, is beyond conflicts of concepts. Even if there are internal or > external conflicts, we accept them as part of the human condition and do the > best we can and surrender them to the feet of the Lord of the Heart. > > Everyone has their own unique spiritual path to lead them to > self-understanding and Self-Realization. We need not be overly critical of > others. When I left my teacher Chitrabhanu-ji to go back to graduate school, > his parting advice to me was, " Live and let live. " > > You can read about Chitrabhanu-ji and Sri Ramana on the following link. > Chitrabhanu-ji used to go visit the Sage in his teen years. > > 2007/01/13/sri-ramana-and-my-teacher-gurudev-sri- chitrabha > nu-ji/ > > Here is a poem I wrote as a dedication to Chitrabhanu-ji for teaching me > about the philosophy of nonviolence (Ahimsa). > > 2007/05/18/let-this-feeling-never-part/ > > Namaste and love to all > Harsha > > > > > > On Behalf Of Era > Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:27 PM > > Re: Ego > > > Well Gene Poole is not a member here, so I'll not say more, than that I > like > his writings including using phrases as 'moron', he is an original > thinker. > > I am sure Harsha ji agrees and so does Jerry Katcz: > --- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2008 , " Harsha " wrote: > > Dear Raph, > > Please use whatever term seems natural to you to communicate without worry. > Whether it is ego, personality, mind, etc., use the terms that seem right at > the time. I only gave my view that's all. > > All conversations and words have a context in which these are understood. > Thirty years ago, I often used the term " positive ego " and emphasized it to > my friends. " A person should have a positive ego in order to transcend it. " > That is what I used to say. My feeling was that one must have a good and > positive sense of self and self-worth to move ahead on the spiritual path. > Mantras and many other affirmation methods are used to create that positive > energy within us. That is the yogic perspective I learned from my teacher. > It can be quite effective. That's a nice view, Harsha, and relates to my comment about Bhaktas looking into 'loving oneself' in addition to the teacher. I agree that a positive ego will be more easily transcended than a 'negative one' where we're addicted to fighting, arguing and such. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2008 Dear Friends, I think the point here, which is difficult to get away from, is that all the Ramana Literature, including 'Talks' in which Bhagavan vetted the translation daily, uses the term 'ego', often for mind,'false sense of me', personal identity etc. etc. Ramana knew English well, having been educated up to the age of 16 at the American Mission, an English speaking school. So no matter how subtle our verbal discrimination may be, the word has been enshrined in all his published works and books about his Teaching. Regards to all, Alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2008 It's too bad the whole idea/teaching has become so convoluted. That humanity will always have inquiring minds into its own nature is a good thing...it helps us evolve individually and as a species. That the resulting Ego-as-a-elephant-in-the-living-room has devolved into *demonizing* the questioning personna by all religions, including the newest religion of Advaita is problematic at best. Thank God we can get through (so to speak) all of it if we have a " healthy " ego. Which after all, is no more than a sense of Self. ~a , " alan jacobs " <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > I think the point here, which is difficult to get away from, is that > all the Ramana Literature, including 'Talks' in which Bhagavan vetted > the translation daily, uses the term 'ego', often for mind,'false sense > of me', personal identity etc. etc. Ramana knew English well, having > been educated up to the age of 16 at the American Mission, an English > speaking school. So no matter how subtle our verbal discrimination may > be, the word has been enshrined in all his published works and books > about his Teaching. > > Regards to all, > > Alan > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2008 Dear Anabebe57 and all so the dream existence of the " Ego " is somehow doubted or defended? sorry - but this IS basis stuff to be absorbed....and lived by... as long as we do not watch our behaviour and and and as long we are unable to discover the poison of " mind " " ego " ... it s a health poison because someday everyone has to discover this ego and its influence but again isnt it basic stuff? as long as we are in the claws of " ego " we do not experiene/do not understand what LOVE I S and by the way ADVAITA is not a " new " " religion " its thousands of years old its a discovery and everybody who is able to understand it should try to put this conclusions in hisher daily practice but it seems as if many do not really know what Ramana said and what many highlevel real scienticst discovered only a very few indeed are able to grasp this KNOWLEDGE they speak about 3-5percent if at all can understand it really and from those only a few can put it in their daily practice all the best to all of us in HIS GRACE michael bindel - anabebe57 Monday, May 05, 2008 12:45 PM Re: Ego It's too bad the whole idea/teaching has become so convoluted. That humanity will always have inquiring minds into its own nature is a good thing...it helps us evolve individually and as a species. That the resulting Ego-as-a-elephant-in-the-living-room has devolved into *demonizing* the questioning personna by all religions, including the newest religion of Advaita is problematic at best. Thank God we can get through (so to speak) all of it if we have a " healthy " ego. Which after all, is no more than a sense of Self. ~a , " alan jacobs " <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > I think the point here, which is difficult to get away from, is that > all the Ramana Literature, including 'Talks' in which Bhagavan vetted > the translation daily, uses the term 'ego', often for mind,'false sense > of me', personal identity etc. etc. Ramana knew English well, having > been educated up to the age of 16 at the American Mission, an English > speaking school. So no matter how subtle our verbal discrimination may > be, the word has been enshrined in all his published works and books > about his Teaching. > > Regards to all, > > Alan > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1409 - Release 01/05/2008 8.39 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2008 Hi Michael, , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > Dear Anabebe57 and all > > so the dream existence of the " Ego " is somehow doubted or defended? > > sorry - but this IS basis stuff to be absorbed....and lived by... I posted a 'blog. entry on the ego recently I thought you might be interested in: omkaradatta/message/1832 My 'take' is that ego constitutes a false border between 'me' and 'you', as though there were two " me's " here when we're talking. In truth there isn't of course, but we like to divide that way so we can be individuals. Really there is only one Individual, not divisible - the Self. Tim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2008 , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > Dear Anabebe57 and all > > so the dream existence of the " Ego " is somehow doubted or defended? A. Does awakening *happen*? > > sorry - but this IS basis stuff to be absorbed....and lived by... > > as long as we do not watch our behaviour and and and as long we are unable to discover the poison of " mind " " ego " ... > it s a health poison because someday everyone has to discover this ego and its influence > > but again > > isnt it basic stuff? > > as long as we are in the claws of " ego " we do not experiene/do not understand what LOVE I S > > > and by the way > > ADVAITA is not a " new " " religion " A. Nothing is new, is it? It's just our *experience* of it that is new.. if we allow it. (Actually I meant Neo-Advaita which is the new religion, as it were, a la Tolle, Katie, Adya, Tony Parsons, etc. etc. etc. Not to mention the ones who frequent these lists:-) > > > its thousands of years old > > its a discovery and everybody who is able to understand it should try to put this conclusions in hisher daily practice > > but it seems as if many do not really know what Ramana said and what many highlevel real scienticst discovered > > only a very few indeed are able to grasp this KNOWLEDGE > > they speak about 3-5percent if at all can understand it really > > and from those only a few can put it in their daily practice > > all the best to all of us > > in HIS GRACE > > michael bindel A: I think you're neglecting something: when *you* get it, you notice everyone has *gotten* it. Kind of makes one smile a lot. > > > > - > anabebe57 > > Monday, May 05, 2008 12:45 PM > Re: Ego > > > It's too bad the whole idea/teaching has become so convoluted. > That humanity will always have inquiring minds into its own nature > is a good thing...it helps us evolve individually and as a species. > > That the resulting Ego-as-a-elephant-in-the-living-room has devolved > into *demonizing* the questioning personna by all religions, including > the newest religion of Advaita is problematic at best. > > Thank God we can get through (so to speak) all of it if we have a > " healthy " ego. Which after all, is no more than a sense of Self. > > ~a > > , " alan jacobs " > <alanadamsjacobs@> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > I think the point here, which is difficult to get away from, is that > > all the Ramana Literature, including 'Talks' in which Bhagavan vetted > > the translation daily, uses the term 'ego', often for mind,'false sense > > of me', personal identity etc. etc. Ramana knew English well, having > > been educated up to the age of 16 at the American Mission, an English > > speaking school. So no matter how subtle our verbal discrimination may > > be, the word has been enshrined in all his published works and books > > about his Teaching. > > > > Regards to all, > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1409 - Release Date: 01/05/2008 8.39 > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2008 : I think you're neglecting something: when *you* get it, you notice everyone has *gotten* it. do you mean: as soon as you are realized, you notice that everyone is realized, buth they do not realize it???? with this i would agree all the best - anabebe57 Monday, May 05, 2008 8:16 PM Re: Ego , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > Dear Anabebe57 and all > > so the dream existence of the " Ego " is somehow doubted or defended? A. Does awakening *happen*? > > sorry - but this IS basis stuff to be absorbed....and lived by... > > as long as we do not watch our behaviour and and and as long we are unable to discover the poison of " mind " " ego " ... > it s a health poison because someday everyone has to discover this ego and its influence > > but again > > isnt it basic stuff? > > as long as we are in the claws of " ego " we do not experiene/do not understand what LOVE I S > > > and by the way > > ADVAITA is not a " new " " religion " A. Nothing is new, is it? It's just our *experience* of it that is new.. if we allow it. (Actually I meant Neo-Advaita which is the new religion, as it were, a la Tolle, Katie, Adya, Tony Parsons, etc. etc. etc. Not to mention the ones who frequent these lists:-) > > > its thousands of years old > > its a discovery and everybody who is able to understand it should try to put this conclusions in hisher daily practice > > but it seems as if many do not really know what Ramana said and what many highlevel real scienticst discovered > > only a very few indeed are able to grasp this KNOWLEDGE > > they speak about 3-5percent if at all can understand it really > > and from those only a few can put it in their daily practice > > all the best to all of us > > in HIS GRACE > > michael bindel A: I think you're neglecting something: when *you* get it, you notice everyone has *gotten* it. Kind of makes one smile a lot. > > > > - > anabebe57 > > Monday, May 05, 2008 12:45 PM > Re: Ego > > > It's too bad the whole idea/teaching has become so convoluted. > That humanity will always have inquiring minds into its own nature > is a good thing...it helps us evolve individually and as a species. > > That the resulting Ego-as-a-elephant-in-the-living-room has devolved > into *demonizing* the questioning personna by all religions, including > the newest religion of Advaita is problematic at best. > > Thank God we can get through (so to speak) all of it if we have a > " healthy " ego. Which after all, is no more than a sense of Self. > > ~a > > , " alan jacobs " > <alanadamsjacobs@> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > I think the point here, which is difficult to get away from, is that > > all the Ramana Literature, including 'Talks' in which Bhagavan vetted > > the translation daily, uses the term 'ego', often for mind,'false sense > > of me', personal identity etc. etc. Ramana knew English well, having > > been educated up to the age of 16 at the American Mission, an English > > speaking school. So no matter how subtle our verbal discrimination may > > be, the word has been enshrined in all his published works and books > > about his Teaching. > > > > Regards to all, > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1409 - Release Date: 01/05/2008 8.39 > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2008 Yes. Even as the story has not ended...nor just begun. Namaste, Anna , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > : I think you're neglecting something: when *you* get it, you > notice everyone has *gotten* it. > > > do you mean: > > as soon as you are realized, you notice that everyone is realized, buth they do not realize it???? > > > with this i would agree > > all the best > > > > - > anabebe57 > > Monday, May 05, 2008 8:16 PM > Re: Ego > > > , " Michael Bindel " > <michael.bindel@> wrote: > > > > Dear Anabebe57 and all > > > > so the dream existence of the " Ego " is somehow doubted or defended? > > A. Does awakening *happen*? > > > > > sorry - but this IS basis stuff to be absorbed....and lived by... > > > > as long as we do not watch our behaviour and and and as long we are > unable to discover the poison of " mind " " ego " ... > > it s a health poison because someday everyone has to discover this > ego and its influence > > > > but again > > > > isnt it basic stuff? > > > > as long as we are in the claws of " ego " we do not experiene/do not > understand what LOVE I S > > > > > > and by the way > > > > ADVAITA is not a " new " " religion " > > A. Nothing is new, is it? It's just our *experience* of it that is > new.. if we allow it. (Actually I meant Neo-Advaita which is the new > religion, as it were, a la Tolle, Katie, Adya, Tony Parsons, etc. etc. > etc. Not to mention the ones who frequent these lists:-) > > > > > > > its thousands of years old > > > > its a discovery and everybody who is able to understand it should > try to put this conclusions in hisher daily practice > > > > but it seems as if many do not really know what Ramana said and what > many highlevel real scienticst discovered > > > > only a very few indeed are able to grasp this KNOWLEDGE > > > > they speak about 3-5percent if at all can understand it really > > > > and from those only a few can put it in their daily practice > > > > all the best to all of us > > > > in HIS GRACE > > > > michael bindel > > A: I think you're neglecting something: when *you* get it, you > notice everyone has *gotten* it. > > Kind of makes one smile a lot. > > > > > > > > > - > > anabebe57 > > > > Monday, May 05, 2008 12:45 PM > > Re: Ego > > > > > > It's too bad the whole idea/teaching has become so convoluted. > > That humanity will always have inquiring minds into its own nature > > is a good thing...it helps us evolve individually and as a species. > > > > That the resulting Ego-as-a-elephant-in-the-living-room has devolved > > into *demonizing* the questioning personna by all religions, including > > the newest religion of Advaita is problematic at best. > > > > Thank God we can get through (so to speak) all of it if we have a > > " healthy " ego. Which after all, is no more than a sense of Self. > > > > ~a > > > > , " alan jacobs " > > <alanadamsjacobs@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > I think the point here, which is difficult to get away from, is > that > > > all the Ramana Literature, including 'Talks' in which Bhagavan > vetted > > > the translation daily, uses the term 'ego', often for > mind,'false sense > > > of me', personal identity etc. etc. Ramana knew English well, > having > > > been educated up to the age of 16 at the American Mission, an > English > > > speaking school. So no matter how subtle our verbal > discrimination may > > > be, the word has been enshrined in all his published works and > books > > > about his Teaching. > > > > > > Regards to all, > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1409 - Release Date: > 01/05/2008 8.39 > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2008 Dear Tim what you wrote is right - but now its really of practical importance for your Sadhana to try to live accordingly thats the greatest challenge there is - specially when you are lucky to live in relationsships.... believe me - these are the most challenging and worthwhile lessons we experience in Ramana michael Really there is only one Individual, not divisible - the Self. and thats all what I S I AM WHO I AM michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2008 , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > Dear Tim > > what you wrote is right - but now its really of practical importance for your Sadhana to try to live accordingly > thats the greatest challenge there is - specially when you are lucky to live in relationsships.... That's true Michael... and of course, realizing the Self doesn't change one's relationships. After all we are already the Self. I think Sri Ramana set an example for all time about how relationship can happen in terms of Self-Realization. One need not become a sage 'after', and in fact most who awaken probably don't. > believe me - these are the most challenging and worthwhile lessons > we experience Agreed... > > in Ramana > > michael > > > Really there is only one Individual, not divisible - the Self. > > > > and thats all what I S > > > I AM WHO I AM > > > michael > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 7, 2008 Dear Harsha Many thanks for the feedback. Yes, as a stepping stone, a positive ego would indeed be preferable. Kind egos rather than cruel ones are easier for all human experience in / as Self. Alas, my karma has very definitely led me by the nose to the simple pleasures of life, like you and there is a sweetness of life possible here when less and less in demanded from existence. I think Era's point about ego being a waste bucket term does have some value - it may sometimes be better for people to refer to the specific function or issue within ego / sense of identity they are referring to - e.g. craving, aversion, personal image, etc, as this may make for a more clear inquiry at times. Dear Tim Pretty much agreed with what you said. Peace and love Raph , " Harsha " wrote: > > Dear Raph, > > Please use whatever term seems natural to you to communicate without worry. > Whether it is ego, personality, mind, etc., use the terms that seem right at > the time. I only gave my view that's all. > > All conversations and words have a context in which these are understood. > Thirty years ago, I often used the term " positive ego " and emphasized it to > my friends. " A person should have a positive ego in order to transcend it. " > That is what I used to say. My feeling was that one must have a good and > positive sense of self and self-worth to move ahead on the spiritual path. > Mantras and many other affirmation methods are used to create that positive > energy within us. That is the yogic perspective I learned from my teacher. > It can be quite effective. > > So one can use different terms. That is not important. How we use the terms > like ego and other words, that is important. We can punish ourselves by > judging ourselves too harshly and call ourselves egotistical and so on. We > could do the same to others. But Ahimsa means to be gentle with one's own > self as well as others. > > How do we overcome these type of negative responses from our karmic makeup > or personality. We do it by good association of friends and positive > affirmations and gradually that helps. > > One time when I was a very young yogi in my early 20s, I asked my friend to > ask me something. I said, please ask me, " Are you holier than me? " He said, > " Why should I ask you that Harsha? What is the point? " > > I said, " Just ask me. Just ask me if I am holier than you. " > > So my friend said, " Harsha, are you holier than me? " > > I said, " Yes, I am holier than thou. " > > That was a lot of fun to be able to say that and we had a great laugh. > Simple pleasures of life. > > Namaste and love to all > Harsh > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raph > Sunday, May 04, 2008 8:07 PM > > Re: Ego > > Dear Harsha > > Though I have used the term " ego " to refer to my own issues in > previous posts, I am happy now to use the phrase " sense of > identity " , as you suggest. > > May I ask, in Sri Bhagavan's teachings, is the sense of identity > also understood to directly cause behaviour such as grasping / > craving, judgment / aversion / rejection, superiority, relentless > mental commentary, possessiveness and " negative " emotions generally > or are those things said to have any other specific or intermediate > cause(s)? > > I would be very grateful for any insights. > > Peace and love to all > Raph > > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > Dear Era, > > > > Usually we should not discuss conversations from other lists here > as all the > > participants are missing. > > > > Yes, I agree with you that Gene is a very powerful and an original > thinker. > > So is Jerry Katz. > > > > As far as the word " ego " goes, I do not gravitate towards using it > much as > > it conveys a subtle sense of violence. In spiritual circles and by > gurus > > such terms are sometimes used to make others feel unholy, > inferior, and > > thereby control them. It is simply the old religion with its > culture of fear > > in a new disguise. > > > > The philosophy we follow (of Sri Bhagavan's teaching) is very > simple. That > > is to be natural and be aware of our sense of identity and where > it arises > > from. So that is enough for us. The natural state, also known as > Sahaj > > Samadhi, is beyond conflicts of concepts. Even if there are > internal or > > external conflicts, we accept them as part of the human condition > and do the > > best we can and surrender them to the feet of the Lord of the > Heart. > > > > Everyone has their own unique spiritual path to lead them to > > self-understanding and Self-Realization. We need not be overly > critical of > > others. When I left my teacher Chitrabhanu-ji to go back to > graduate school, > > his parting advice to me was, " Live and let live. " > > > > You can read about Chitrabhanu-ji and Sri Ramana on the following > link. > > Chitrabhanu-ji used to go visit the Sage in his teen years. > > > > 2007/01/13/sri-ramana-and-my-teacher-gurudev- sri- > chitrabha > > nu-ji/ > > > > Here is a poem I wrote as a dedication to Chitrabhanu-ji for > teaching me > > about the philosophy of nonviolence (Ahimsa). > > > > 2007/05/18/let-this-feeling-never-part/ > > > > Namaste and love to all > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Era > > Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:27 PM > > > > Re: Ego > > > > > > Well Gene Poole is not a member here, so I'll not say more, than > that I > > like > > his writings including using phrases as 'moron', he is an original > > thinker. > > > > I am sure Harsha ji agrees and so does Jerry Katcz: > > > > > > --- > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 7, 2008 Dear Tim please try to give examples of what you wrote: I think Sri Ramana set an example for all time about how relationship can happen in terms of Self-Realization. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2008 A posting requested by a friend. Dear Ken, I will post it for you to see what response we receive if any. Personaly I prefer 'bundle of thoughts'. The term 'thoughts' in Ramana's use of the word includes the emotional as well as the intellectual content. All regards, Alan --- On Fri, 26/9/08, Ken Maskey <kenmaskey wrote: > Ken Maskey <kenmaskey > Ego > " Alan Jacobs " <alanadamsjacobs > Friday, 26 September, 2008, 1:31 PM > Just browsing through the internet: > > To assist in the processing of the stimuli received from > the senses and the responses to the outside world, the mind > has created what is > referred to as the ego. One that is geared to take on the > onslaught of the > world. It has a defensive nature that is constantly on > alert for threats and > attacks. > > > > The ego interprets the information presented to it by the > senses and cognetively assesses them and through the mind, > produces thought. > These thoughts are then transformed, by the ego, into > emotions. Emotions are the > body’s response to thoughts. Our emotions arise out of > these thoughts. > > > > > The problems created in man’s responses to world are > created > by the ego going too far in its nature to perceive what is > threatening to the > organism and its self. It begins to believe it’s who we > really are. A > fallacy that creates untold damage to the world it > inhabits. By believing itself > to be who we are, it will also defend itself against all > possible threats. > > > > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Mind_over_Matter/Mind_Set_Is_ego_necessary/ar\ ticleshow/3508877.cms > > So is Ego 'thought' or 'mind' [bundle of > thoughts]...? or Neither. I prefer the idea of > 'emotion' as manifestation of ego... > > Would you please post the url of the forum you referred to > at Satsang. > > ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 27, 2008 , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > Dear Soul > > thank you for your clear-cut and in my opinion logical statement > > What is the problem with 'ego' if it is known it is not who you are? > > > michael > oh yes! elemantary. no ego - no problems! self evident truth stands to reason. yosy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2009 People are only intent on feeding the ego. They never think of knowing theSelf. To know the Self, one should starve the ego. But unfortunately, most people cannot starve the ego. Instead, they cling to it, ever increasingly.The predominant tendency in human beings is to attract as much attention aspossible. They want to be praised and recognized, believing that it is their birthright. This is all food for the ego which thrives on attention. How areyou going to know the Self if your ego is constantly craving attention? " Mata Amritanandamayi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , Ricardo Almon <ricardo.almon wrote: > > People are only intent on feeding the ego. They never think of knowing the > Self. To know the Self, one should starve the ego. But unfortunately, most > people cannot starve the ego. Instead, they cling to it, ever increasingly. > The predominant tendency in human beings is to attract as much attention as > possible. They want to be praised and recognized, believing that it is their > birthright. This is all food for the ego which thrives on attention. How are > you going to know the Self if your ego is constantly craving attention? " > > Mata Amritanandamay > Another New Age populist, Ricardo. It is the usual trick and procedure of most gurus to find and to establish an enemy, in this case the ego, and then offering a seducing teaching of eternal bliss or similar crap based on fighting that enemy. I wonder why you don't see that, Ricardo ? Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Ricardo Almon <ricardo.almon@> wrote: > > > > > > People are only intent on feeding the ego. They never think of knowing the > > > Self. To know the Self, one should starve the ego. But unfortunately, most > > > people cannot starve the ego. Instead, they cling to it, ever increasingly. > > > The predominant tendency in human beings is to attract as much attention as > > > possible. They want to be praised and recognized, believing that it is their > > > birthright. This is all food for the ego which thrives on attention. How are > > > you going to know the Self if your ego is constantly craving attention? " > > > > > > Mata Amritanandamay > > > > > > > > > Another New Age populist, Ricardo. > > > > It is the usual trick and procedure of most gurus to find and to establish an enemy, in this case the ego, and then offering a seducing teaching of eternal bliss or similar crap based on fighting that enemy. > > > > I wonder why you don't see that, Ricardo ? > > > > Werner > > > You're right, Werner! I found this citation somewhere and thought it isn't that bad. I don't know who Mata A. is! > > Indeed, the promise of an eternal orgasm! > > The ego........reflective self-awareness; ideal-ego and ego-ideal! > > I accept everything! > > Ricardo > Fine, Ricardo, What else can one do besides accepting and letting go ? Have you ever read or watched the vidoes of UG ? He was calling those brand of gurus and people BASTADRS ! http://www.ugkrishnamurti.org/ Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Ricardo Almon <ricardo.almon@> wrote: > > > > > > > > People are only intent on feeding the ego. They never think of knowing the > > > > Self. To know the Self, one should starve the ego. But unfortunately, most > > > > people cannot starve the ego. Instead, they cling to it, ever increasingly. > > > > The predominant tendency in human beings is to attract as much attention as > > > > possible. They want to be praised and recognized, believing that it is their > > > > birthright. This is all food for the ego which thrives on attention. How are > > > > you going to know the Self if your ego is constantly craving attention? " > > > > > > > > Mata Amritanandamay > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another New Age populist, Ricardo. > > > > > > It is the usual trick and procedure of most gurus to find and to establish an enemy, in this case the ego, and then offering a seducing teaching of eternal bliss or similar crap based on fighting that enemy. > > > > > > I wonder why you don't see that, Ricardo ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > You're right, Werner! I found this citation somewhere and thought it isn't that bad. I don't know who Mata A. is! > > > > Indeed, the promise of an eternal orgasm! > > > > The ego........reflective self-awareness; ideal-ego and ego-ideal! > > > > I accept everything! > > > > Ricardo > > > whiner wernie just can't accept that he's an asshole. > > he creates enemy dogs to fight. > > and he picks up stray cats to befriend. > > he's too serious about himself. > > he doesn't know what fun is about. > > at least he's not a hyperventilating hispanic hokum hissy... > > like his new friend. > > he's a nazi. > > and damn proud of it too! > > :-) > > .b b.b. say! wait one darn minute here.. now it's beginning to make sense. this affinity between wernie and ~sky. didn't a lot of the boys from the swastika go to south america? yeah..that's it! that's why those two loony tunes resonate so well. it's an in the blood with nothing in the brain affinity. so... to affinity and beyond boys. wernie and sky as charlie10 forever together! :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
