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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> -

> > > > You are such an idiot. It DOES NOT MATTER WHAT WORD YOU USE;

YOU

> > > > IDIOT.

> > > > awareness consciousness in your case I would use idiotness, a

> > much

> > > > lower level of consciousness I would imagine,right above ant

> > > > conciousness

> > > >

> > > > Mark

> > > > Mark

> > >

> > > P: You, are losing your cool. Of what use is a spiritual

> > > knowledge that doesn't bring equanimity? Anyway,

> > > resorting to insults, as Werner noticed, is a sign

> > > that my words, and those of Werner, and bbb are

> > > beginning to work in your subconscious. Please, don't

> > > , now. Keep interacting with us. Soon your

> > > defense will collapse, and you'll see, there is not a

> > > thing to defend. Notice you're so upset you signed your

> > > name twice. Is that what you're defending, your identity?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > Is that you bill clinton?

> >

> > Mark

>

> P: You're out of ideas, and out of luck.

> You are getting close.

> >

>I reckon the " P " is for pointless.

 

Mark

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

>

> >

> > In German and in serveral other languages the word awareness does

not

> > exist, only consciousness.

> >

> > Pity on me: I am German and therfore awareness does not shine for

me.

> >

> > Besides that I think this " awareness " stuff Niz seemed to believe

is

> > nonsense. Maybe Niz was to much influenced by Ramana.

> >

> > Werner

>

>

> you are of course quite correct werner.

>

> neither niz nor ram man knew very much at all.

>

> they didn't clutter their minds with useless shit like you do.

>

> they are THERE man!

>

> silly science games of imagination are for children.

>

> talk about nonsense.

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

 

lol

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > In German and in serveral other languages the word awareness

does

> not

> > > exist, only consciousness.

> > >

> > > Pity on me: I am German and therfore awareness does not shine

for

> me.

> > >

> > > Besides that I think this " awareness " stuff Niz seemed to

believe

> is

> > > nonsense. Maybe Niz was to much influenced by Ramana.

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> >

> > you are of course quite correct werner.

> >

> > neither niz nor ram man knew very much at all.

> >

> > they didn't clutter their minds with useless shit like you do.

> >

> > they are THERE man!

> >

> > silly science games of imagination are for children.

> >

> > talk about nonsense.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

>

> lol

>

 

Ps: indeed, i think that Nis and Ramana had a much more peaceful life

than few ones here ever could imagine....

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

<marktimmins60 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone.

> > > > > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as

> > > > > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute,

> > > > > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to

> > > > > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if

> > > > > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading

> > > > > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The

> > > > > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the absolute

> > > > > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be

> > > > > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an

> > > > > > > > oxymoron.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are

> > > > > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the absolute,

> > > > > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness needs

> > > > > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs the

> > > > > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food-body

> > > > > > > > and will be gone when the body dies.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are

> > > > > > > > true Clingones. ;))

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to

Nisargadatta,

> > > > > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis says

that

> > > > > > > the absolute is not aware of itself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you

> > > > > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's

> > > > > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll

> > > > > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That,

> > > > > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I don't

> > > > > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his best,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he

> > > > > > differentiated both concepts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA%

> > > > > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm

> > > > > >

> > > > > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing.

> > > > > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did

> > > > > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know?

> > > > > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing

> > > > > about minderbating, it never ends ya know?

> > > > > And this one is starting to stink.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mark

> > > >

> > > > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because

> > > > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego!

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines immutably.

When

> > > there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " , mind,

> > > consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am aware " ,

it

> > only

> > > means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " . There is

> > no " I

> > > am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness goes

> with

> > > the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all separation

ceases.

> > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > >

> > > Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this some

kind

> of

> > > bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win this

> debate

> > > and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to really

grasp?

> > > Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will die

this

> > way

> > > then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of ego

> > > preservation.

> > >

> > >

> > > Mark

> > >

> >

> >

> > Pete got a little ego-minded Pittbull?....

> >

> > poor Pete...:)

> >

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > Ps: whats this discussions about consciousness and awareness

> > about?....means, why should there be any fantastic discussions

> about?

> >

> > there is nobody who care about such details....

> >

> > peace is peace, doesn't matter the subject.

> >

> > ....

> >

> > consciousness is related to an imaginary

> somebody.....acting & reacting

> > on an appearent

> > world....others....trees....fishes.....flowers....etc....

> >

> > and mainly on his/herself so.

> >

> > ....

> >

> > awareness isn't related to anybody.....to no fictions....to no

> > illusions.....to no " God " .....to Nobody......to Nothing....to No

> world

> > (s)

> >

> > awareness in the spiritual language, as far i see, is used as an

> > expression to what is behind this imaginay ego-bubble writing.

> >

> > (awareness of " this & that " is of No subject in here)

> >

> peace includes all war.

> Mark

>

 

 

where there is peace....there is no war ;)

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

<marktimmins60 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone.

> > > > > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as

> > > > > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute,

> > > > > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to

> > > > > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if

> > > > > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading

> > > > > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The

> > > > > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the absolute

> > > > > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be

> > > > > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an

> > > > > > > > oxymoron.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are

> > > > > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the absolute,

> > > > > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness needs

> > > > > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs the

> > > > > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food-body

> > > > > > > > and will be gone when the body dies.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are

> > > > > > > > true Clingones. ;))

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to

Nisargadatta,

> > > > > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis says

that

> > > > > > > the absolute is not aware of itself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you

> > > > > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's

> > > > > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll

> > > > > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That,

> > > > > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I don't

> > > > > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his best,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he

> > > > > > differentiated both concepts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA%

> > > > > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm

> > > > > >

> > > > > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing.

> > > > > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did

> > > > > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know?

> > > > > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing

> > > > > about minderbating, it never ends ya know?

> > > > > And this one is starting to stink.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mark

> > > >

> > > > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because

> > > > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego!

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines immutably.

When

> > > there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " , mind,

> > > consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am aware " ,

it

> > only

> > > means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " . There is

> > no " I

> > > am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness goes

> with

> > > the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all separation

ceases.

> > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > >

> > > Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this some

kind

> of

> > > bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win this

> debate

> > > and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to really

grasp?

> > > Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will die

this

> > way

> > > then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of ego

> > > preservation.

> > >

> > >

> > > Mark

> > >

> >

> >

> > Pete got a little ego-minded Pittbull?....

> >

> > poor Pete...:)

> >

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > Ps: whats this discussions about consciousness and awareness

> > about?....means, why should there be any fantastic discussions

> about?

> >

> > there is nobody who care about such details....

> >

> > peace is peace, doesn't matter the subject.

> >

> > ....

> >

> > consciousness is related to an imaginary

> somebody.....acting & reacting

> > on an appearent

> > world....others....trees....fishes.....flowers....etc....

> >

> > and mainly on his/herself so.

> >

> > ....

> >

> > awareness isn't related to anybody.....to no fictions....to no

> > illusions.....to no " God " .....to Nobody......to Nothing....to No

> world

> > (s)

> >

> > awareness in the spiritual language, as far i see, is used as an

> > expression to what is behind this imaginay ego-bubble writing.

> >

> > (awareness of " this & that " is of No subject in here)

> >

> peace includes all war.

> Mark

>

 

 

where there is peace....there is no war

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone.

> > > > > > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as

> > > > > > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute,

> > > > > > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to

> > > > > > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if

> > > > > > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading

> > > > > > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The

> > > > > > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the absolute

> > > > > > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be

> > > > > > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an

> > > > > > > > > oxymoron.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are

> > > > > > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the absolute,

> > > > > > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness needs

> > > > > > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs the

> > > > > > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food-body

> > > > > > > > > and will be gone when the body dies.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are

> > > > > > > > > true Clingones. ;))

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to

> Nisargadatta,

> > > > > > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis says

> that

> > > > > > > > the absolute is not aware of itself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you

> > > > > > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's

> > > > > > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll

> > > > > > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That,

> > > > > > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I don't

> > > > > > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his best,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he

> > > > > > > differentiated both concepts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA%

> > > > > > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing.

> > > > > > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did

> > > > > > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know?

> > > > > > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing

> > > > > > about minderbating, it never ends ya know?

> > > > > > And this one is starting to stink.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mark

> > > > >

> > > > > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because

> > > > > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego!

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines immutably.

> When

> > > > there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " , mind,

> > > > consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am aware " ,

> it

> > > only

> > > > means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " . There is

> > > no " I

> > > > am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness goes

> > with

> > > > the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all separation

> ceases.

> > > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > >

> > > > Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this some

> kind

> > of

> > > > bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win this

> > debate

> > > > and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to really

> grasp?

> > > > Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will die

> this

> > > way

> > > > then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of ego

> > > > preservation.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mark

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Pete got a little ego-minded Pittbull?....

> > >

> > > poor Pete...:)

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > Ps: whats this discussions about consciousness and awareness

> > > about?....means, why should there be any fantastic discussions

> > about?

> > >

> > > there is nobody who care about such details....

> > >

> > > peace is peace, doesn't matter the subject.

> > >

> > > ....

> > >

> > > consciousness is related to an imaginary

> > somebody.....acting & reacting

> > > on an appearent

> > > world....others....trees....fishes.....flowers....etc....

> > >

> > > and mainly on his/herself so.

> > >

> > > ....

> > >

> > > awareness isn't related to anybody.....to no fictions....to no

> > > illusions.....to no " God " .....to Nobody......to Nothing....to No

> > world

> > > (s)

> > >

> > > awareness in the spiritual language, as far i see, is used as an

> > > expression to what is behind this imaginay ego-bubble writing.

> > >

> > > (awareness of " this & that " is of No subject in here)

> > >

> > peace includes all war.

> > Mark

> >

>

>

> where there is peace....there is no war

>

>

> Marc

 

 

ok.

 

and marc mark my words...

 

where there's war there is no peace.

 

in fact..

 

where there's peace..there is no peace.

 

peace is kinda like santa claus..

 

a dreamer's dream.

 

peace,

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul "

<pedsie6@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone.

> > > > > > > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as

> > > > > > > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute,

> > > > > > > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to

> > > > > > > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if

> > > > > > > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading

> > > > > > > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The

> > > > > > > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the absolute

> > > > > > > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be

> > > > > > > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an

> > > > > > > > > > oxymoron.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are

> > > > > > > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the

absolute,

> > > > > > > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness needs

> > > > > > > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs the

> > > > > > > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food-body

> > > > > > > > > > and will be gone when the body dies.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are

> > > > > > > > > > true Clingones. ;))

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to

> > Nisargadatta,

> > > > > > > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis

says

> > that

> > > > > > > > > the absolute is not aware of itself.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you

> > > > > > > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's

> > > > > > > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll

> > > > > > > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That,

> > > > > > > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I don't

> > > > > > > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his best,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he

> > > > > > > > differentiated both concepts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA%

> > > > > > > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing.

> > > > > > > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did

> > > > > > > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know?

> > > > > > > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing

> > > > > > > about minderbating, it never ends ya know?

> > > > > > > And this one is starting to stink.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mark

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because

> > > > > > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines immutably.

> > When

> > > > > there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " ,

mind,

> > > > > consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am

aware " ,

> > it

> > > > only

> > > > > means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " . There

is

> > > > no " I

> > > > > am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness

goes

> > > with

> > > > > the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all separation

> > ceases.

> > > > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this some

> > kind

> > > of

> > > > > bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win this

> > > debate

> > > > > and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to really

> > grasp?

> > > > > Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will

die

> > this

> > > > way

> > > > > then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of

ego

> > > > > preservation.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Mark

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Pete got a little ego-minded Pittbull?....

> > > >

> > > > poor Pete...:)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ps: whats this discussions about consciousness and awareness

> > > > about?....means, why should there be any fantastic

discussions

> > > about?

> > > >

> > > > there is nobody who care about such details....

> > > >

> > > > peace is peace, doesn't matter the subject.

> > > >

> > > > ....

> > > >

> > > > consciousness is related to an imaginary

> > > somebody.....acting & reacting

> > > > on an appearent

> > > > world....others....trees....fishes.....flowers....etc....

> > > >

> > > > and mainly on his/herself so.

> > > >

> > > > ....

> > > >

> > > > awareness isn't related to anybody.....to no fictions....to

no

> > > > illusions.....to no " God " .....to Nobody......to Nothing....to

No

> > > world

> > > > (s)

> > > >

> > > > awareness in the spiritual language, as far i see, is used as

an

> > > > expression to what is behind this imaginay ego-bubble writing.

> > > >

> > > > (awareness of " this & that " is of No subject in here)

> > > >

> > > peace includes all war.

> > > Mark

> > >

> >

> >

> > where there is peace....there is no war

> >

> >

> > Marc

>

>

> ok.

>

> and marc mark my words...

>

> where there's war there is no peace.

>

> in fact..

>

> where there's peace..there is no peace.

>

> peace is kinda like santa claus..

>

> a dreamer's dream.

>

> peace,

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

ok

 

there is neither peace nor war for bbb

 

good

 

this deserve, again, all the love of all united non-dualists of the

whole world

 

.....

 

:)

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul "

<pedsie6@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone.

> > > > > > > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as

> > > > > > > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute,

> > > > > > > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to

> > > > > > > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if

> > > > > > > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading

> > > > > > > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The

> > > > > > > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the absolute

> > > > > > > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be

> > > > > > > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an

> > > > > > > > > > oxymoron.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are

> > > > > > > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the

absolute,

> > > > > > > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness needs

> > > > > > > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs the

> > > > > > > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food-body

> > > > > > > > > > and will be gone when the body dies.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are

> > > > > > > > > > true Clingones. ;))

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to

> > Nisargadatta,

> > > > > > > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis

says

> > that

> > > > > > > > > the absolute is not aware of itself.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you

> > > > > > > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's

> > > > > > > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll

> > > > > > > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That,

> > > > > > > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I don't

> > > > > > > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his best,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he

> > > > > > > > differentiated both concepts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA%

> > > > > > > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing.

> > > > > > > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did

> > > > > > > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know?

> > > > > > > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing

> > > > > > > about minderbating, it never ends ya know?

> > > > > > > And this one is starting to stink.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mark

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because

> > > > > > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines immutably.

> > When

> > > > > there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " ,

mind,

> > > > > consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am

aware " ,

> > it

> > > > only

> > > > > means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " . There

is

> > > > no " I

> > > > > am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness

goes

> > > with

> > > > > the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all separation

> > ceases.

> > > > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this some

> > kind

> > > of

> > > > > bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win this

> > > debate

> > > > > and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to really

> > grasp?

> > > > > Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will

die

> > this

> > > > way

> > > > > then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of

ego

> > > > > preservation.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Mark

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Pete got a little ego-minded Pittbull?....

> > > >

> > > > poor Pete...:)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ps: whats this discussions about consciousness and awareness

> > > > about?....means, why should there be any fantastic

discussions

> > > about?

> > > >

> > > > there is nobody who care about such details....

> > > >

> > > > peace is peace, doesn't matter the subject.

> > > >

> > > > ....

> > > >

> > > > consciousness is related to an imaginary

> > > somebody.....acting & reacting

> > > > on an appearent

> > > > world....others....trees....fishes.....flowers....etc....

> > > >

> > > > and mainly on his/herself so.

> > > >

> > > > ....

> > > >

> > > > awareness isn't related to anybody.....to no fictions....to

no

> > > > illusions.....to no " God " .....to Nobody......to Nothing....to

No

> > > world

> > > > (s)

> > > >

> > > > awareness in the spiritual language, as far i see, is used as

an

> > > > expression to what is behind this imaginay ego-bubble writing.

> > > >

> > > > (awareness of " this & that " is of No subject in here)

> > > >

> > > peace includes all war.

> > > Mark

> > >

> >

> >

> > where there is peace....there is no war

> >

> >

> > Marc

>

>

> ok.

>

> and marc mark my words...

>

> where there's war there is no peace.

>

> in fact..

>

> where there's peace..there is no peace.

>

> peace is kinda like santa claus..

>

> a dreamer's dream.

>

> peace,

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

messages are disappearing....:)

 

ok then

 

peace, no peace

war, no war

 

who cares...

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul "

> <pedsie6@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone.

> > > > > > > > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as

> > > > > > > > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute,

> > > > > > > > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to

> > > > > > > > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if

> > > > > > > > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading

> > > > > > > > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The

> > > > > > > > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the absolute

> > > > > > > > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be

> > > > > > > > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an

> > > > > > > > > > > oxymoron.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are

> > > > > > > > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the

> absolute,

> > > > > > > > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness needs

> > > > > > > > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs the

> > > > > > > > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food-body

> > > > > > > > > > > and will be gone when the body dies.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are

> > > > > > > > > > > true Clingones. ;))

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to

> > > Nisargadatta,

> > > > > > > > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis

> says

> > > that

> > > > > > > > > > the absolute is not aware of itself.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you

> > > > > > > > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's

> > > > > > > > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll

> > > > > > > > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That,

> > > > > > > > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I don't

> > > > > > > > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his best,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he

> > > > > > > > > differentiated both concepts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA%

> > > > > > > > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing.

> > > > > > > > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did

> > > > > > > > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know?

> > > > > > > > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing

> > > > > > > > about minderbating, it never ends ya know?

> > > > > > > > And this one is starting to stink.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mark

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because

> > > > > > > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines immutably.

> > > When

> > > > > > there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " ,

> mind,

> > > > > > consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am

> aware " ,

> > > it

> > > > > only

> > > > > > means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " . There

> is

> > > > > no " I

> > > > > > am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness

> goes

> > > > with

> > > > > > the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all separation

> > > ceases.

> > > > > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this some

> > > kind

> > > > of

> > > > > > bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win this

> > > > debate

> > > > > > and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to really

> > > grasp?

> > > > > > Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will

> die

> > > this

> > > > > way

> > > > > > then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of

> ego

> > > > > > preservation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mark

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Pete got a little ego-minded Pittbull?....

> > > > >

> > > > > poor Pete...:)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ps: whats this discussions about consciousness and awareness

> > > > > about?....means, why should there be any fantastic

> discussions

> > > > about?

> > > > >

> > > > > there is nobody who care about such details....

> > > > >

> > > > > peace is peace, doesn't matter the subject.

> > > > >

> > > > > ....

> > > > >

> > > > > consciousness is related to an imaginary

> > > > somebody.....acting & reacting

> > > > > on an appearent

> > > > > world....others....trees....fishes.....flowers....etc....

> > > > >

> > > > > and mainly on his/herself so.

> > > > >

> > > > > ....

> > > > >

> > > > > awareness isn't related to anybody.....to no fictions....to

> no

> > > > > illusions.....to no " God " .....to Nobody......to Nothing....to

> No

> > > > world

> > > > > (s)

> > > > >

> > > > > awareness in the spiritual language, as far i see, is used as

> an

> > > > > expression to what is behind this imaginay ego-bubble writing.

> > > > >

> > > > > (awareness of " this & that " is of No subject in here)

> > > > >

> > > > peace includes all war.

> > > > Mark

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > where there is peace....there is no war

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> >

> > ok.

> >

> > and marc mark my words...

> >

> > where there's war there is no peace.

> >

> > in fact..

> >

> > where there's peace..there is no peace.

> >

> > peace is kinda like santa claus..

> >

> > a dreamer's dream.

> >

> > peace,

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

> messages are disappearing....:)

>

> ok then

>

> peace, no peace

> war, no war

>

> who cares...

>

> Marc

 

 

the messages aren't disappearing.

 

guess they never were.

 

baba posted that (look at the posting) : Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:23 am

 

it appeared on the list : Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:57 pm

 

which left .b b.b. with days to write..

 

other non-existing stuff in between the two non-existent postings.

 

this is non-duality at it's best..and worst.

 

:-)

 

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul "

> <pedsie6@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone.

> > > > > > > > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as

> > > > > > > > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute,

> > > > > > > > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to

> > > > > > > > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if

> > > > > > > > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading

> > > > > > > > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The

> > > > > > > > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the absolute

> > > > > > > > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be

> > > > > > > > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an

> > > > > > > > > > > oxymoron.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are

> > > > > > > > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the

> absolute,

> > > > > > > > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness needs

> > > > > > > > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs the

> > > > > > > > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food-body

> > > > > > > > > > > and will be gone when the body dies.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are

> > > > > > > > > > > true Clingones. ;))

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to

> > > Nisargadatta,

> > > > > > > > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis

> says

> > > that

> > > > > > > > > > the absolute is not aware of itself.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you

> > > > > > > > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's

> > > > > > > > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll

> > > > > > > > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That,

> > > > > > > > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I don't

> > > > > > > > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his best,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he

> > > > > > > > > differentiated both concepts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA%

> > > > > > > > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing.

> > > > > > > > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did

> > > > > > > > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know?

> > > > > > > > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing

> > > > > > > > about minderbating, it never ends ya know?

> > > > > > > > And this one is starting to stink.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mark

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because

> > > > > > > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines immutably.

> > > When

> > > > > > there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " ,

> mind,

> > > > > > consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am

> aware " ,

> > > it

> > > > > only

> > > > > > means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " . There

> is

> > > > > no " I

> > > > > > am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness

> goes

> > > > with

> > > > > > the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all separation

> > > ceases.

> > > > > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this some

> > > kind

> > > > of

> > > > > > bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win this

> > > > debate

> > > > > > and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to really

> > > grasp?

> > > > > > Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will

> die

> > > this

> > > > > way

> > > > > > then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of

> ego

> > > > > > preservation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mark

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Pete got a little ego-minded Pittbull?....

> > > > >

> > > > > poor Pete...:)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ps: whats this discussions about consciousness and awareness

> > > > > about?....means, why should there be any fantastic

> discussions

> > > > about?

> > > > >

> > > > > there is nobody who care about such details....

> > > > >

> > > > > peace is peace, doesn't matter the subject.

> > > > >

> > > > > ....

> > > > >

> > > > > consciousness is related to an imaginary

> > > > somebody.....acting & reacting

> > > > > on an appearent

> > > > > world....others....trees....fishes.....flowers....etc....

> > > > >

> > > > > and mainly on his/herself so.

> > > > >

> > > > > ....

> > > > >

> > > > > awareness isn't related to anybody.....to no fictions....to

> no

> > > > > illusions.....to no " God " .....to Nobody......to Nothing....to

> No

> > > > world

> > > > > (s)

> > > > >

> > > > > awareness in the spiritual language, as far i see, is used as

> an

> > > > > expression to what is behind this imaginay ego-bubble writing.

> > > > >

> > > > > (awareness of " this & that " is of No subject in here)

> > > > >

> > > > peace includes all war.

> > > > Mark

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > where there is peace....there is no war

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> >

> > ok.

> >

> > and marc mark my words...

> >

> > where there's war there is no peace.

> >

> > in fact..

> >

> > where there's peace..there is no peace.

> >

> > peace is kinda like santa claus..

> >

> > a dreamer's dream.

> >

> > peace,

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

> messages are disappearing....:)

>

> ok then

>

> peace, no peace

> war, no war

>

> who cares...

>

> Marc

 

 

my first reply will appear later.

 

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like an experiment with a linear e+e- collider..

 

it's fractional luminosity near mximum energy..

 

in the presence of Beamstrahlung.

 

it eventually will show up.

 

LOL!

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul "

<pedsie6@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul "

> > <pedsie6@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone.

> > > > > > > > > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as

> > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute,

> > > > > > > > > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to

> > > > > > > > > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading

> > > > > > > > > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The

> > > > > > > > > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the

absolute

> > > > > > > > > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be

> > > > > > > > > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an

> > > > > > > > > > > > oxymoron.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are

> > > > > > > > > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the

> > absolute,

> > > > > > > > > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness

needs

> > > > > > > > > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs

the

> > > > > > > > > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food-

body

> > > > > > > > > > > > and will be gone when the body dies.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are

> > > > > > > > > > > > true Clingones. ;))

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to

> > > > Nisargadatta,

> > > > > > > > > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis

> > says

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > the absolute is not aware of itself.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you

> > > > > > > > > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's

> > > > > > > > > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll

> > > > > > > > > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That,

> > > > > > > > > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I

don't

> > > > > > > > > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his

best,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he

> > > > > > > > > > differentiated both concepts.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA%

> > > > > > > > > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing.

> > > > > > > > > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did

> > > > > > > > > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know?

> > > > > > > > > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing

> > > > > > > > > about minderbating, it never ends ya know?

> > > > > > > > > And this one is starting to stink.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mark

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because

> > > > > > > > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines

immutably.

> > > > When

> > > > > > > there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " ,

> > mind,

> > > > > > > consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am

> > aware " ,

> > > > it

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " .

There

> > is

> > > > > > no " I

> > > > > > > am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The witness

> > goes

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all

separation

> > > > ceases.

> > > > > > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this

some

> > > > kind

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win

this

> > > > > debate

> > > > > > > and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to

really

> > > > grasp?

> > > > > > > Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you will

> > die

> > > > this

> > > > > > way

> > > > > > > then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard of

> > ego

> > > > > > > preservation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mark

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pete got a little ego-minded Pittbull?....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > poor Pete...:)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ps: whats this discussions about consciousness and

awareness

> > > > > > about?....means, why should there be any fantastic

> > discussions

> > > > > about?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there is nobody who care about such details....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > peace is peace, doesn't matter the subject.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > consciousness is related to an imaginary

> > > > > somebody.....acting & reacting

> > > > > > on an appearent

> > > > > > world....others....trees....fishes.....flowers....etc....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and mainly on his/herself so.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > awareness isn't related to anybody.....to no

fictions....to

> > no

> > > > > > illusions.....to no " God " .....to Nobody......to

Nothing....to

> > No

> > > > > world

> > > > > > (s)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > awareness in the spiritual language, as far i see, is used

as

> > an

> > > > > > expression to what is behind this imaginay ego-bubble

writing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (awareness of " this & that " is of No subject in here)

> > > > > >

> > > > > peace includes all war.

> > > > > Mark

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > where there is peace....there is no war

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > ok.

> > >

> > > and marc mark my words...

> > >

> > > where there's war there is no peace.

> > >

> > > in fact..

> > >

> > > where there's peace..there is no peace.

> > >

> > > peace is kinda like santa claus..

> > >

> > > a dreamer's dream.

> > >

> > > peace,

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> >

> > messages are disappearing....:)

> >

> > ok then

> >

> > peace, no peace

> > war, no war

> >

> > who cares...

> >

> > Marc

>

>

> the messages aren't disappearing.

>

> guess they never were.

>

> baba posted that (look at the posting) : Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:23 am

>

> it appeared on the list : Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:57 pm

>

> which left .b b.b. with days to write..

>

> other non-existing stuff in between the two non-existent postings.

>

> this is non-duality at it's best..and worst.

>

> :-)

>

> .b b.b.

>

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul "

<pedsie6@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 "

> > > > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul "

> > <pedsie6@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > P: I agree, so I must be another Clingone.

> > > > > > > > > > > > People who prefer to use terms such as

> > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness for ultimate, infinite, absolute,

> > > > > > > > > > > > etc do it, generally, because they want to

> > > > > > > > > > > > survive death in one form or another. Even if

> > > > > > > > > > > > it's as an impersonal awareness pervading

> > > > > > > > > > > > reality, but Maharaj said quite clearly: " The

> > > > > > > > > > > > absolute is not aware of itself. "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean? It means, that if the

absolute

> > > > > > > > > > > > is not aware of itself, then it could not be

> > > > > > > > > > > > awareness. To pose an unaware awareness is an

> > > > > > > > > > > > oxymoron.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So, those in who, clinging to life is gone are

> > > > > > > > > > > > free to know that awareness raises in the

> > absolute,

> > > > > > > > > > > > but the absolute is not awareness. Awareness

needs

> > > > > > > > > > > > the beingness to be, and the beingness needs

the

> > > > > > > > > > > > body. Maharaj said your beingness is the food-

body

> > > > > > > > > > > > and will be gone when the body dies.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So, those who do not cling to awareness, are

> > > > > > > > > > > > true Clingones. ;))

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I realize you are a scholar when it comes to

> > > > Nisargadatta,

> > > > > > > > > > > could you refer to what page in " I am That " Nis

> > says

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > the absolute is not aware of itself.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > P: I'm not a scholar, nor I'm your nanny. When you

> > > > > > > > > > want to find something look it up yourself, that's

> > > > > > > > > > what search engines are for. But this once I'll

> > > > > > > > > > make an exception. He didn't say it in I Am That,

> > > > > > > > > > he said in " Consciousness and the Absolute. " I

don't

> > > > > > > > > > remember the page. Read the book is one of his

best,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Also, you can look at this webpage about how he

> > > > > > > > > > differentiated both concepts.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/premananda/essays/NISARGADATTA%

> > > > > > > > > 20CONSCIOUSNESS%20AND%20AWARENESS.htm

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Show me the quote I ain't researching nothing.

> > > > > > > > > But don't waste your time anyway cause if he did

> > > > > > > > > say it,he was wrong. He wasn't god you know?

> > > > > > > > > I am done with this thread anyway, the thing

> > > > > > > > > about minderbating, it never ends ya know?

> > > > > > > > > And this one is starting to stink.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mark

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Kicking the chessboard up because

> > > > > > > > you're losing the game? Typical of a childish ego!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Consciousness comes and goes, awareness shines

immutably.

> > > > When

> > > > > > > there is a person, there is also consciousness. " I am " ,

> > mind,

> > > > > > > consciousness denote the same state. If you say " I am

> > aware " ,

> > > > it

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > means " I am conscious of thinking about being aware " .

There

> > is

> > > > > > no " I

> > > > > > > am " in awareness. Witnessing is of the mind. The

witness

> > goes

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > the witnessed. In the state of non-duality, all

separation

> > > > ceases.

> > > > > > > Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you not understand something so simple? Or is this

some

> > > > kind

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > bullshit pride thing you got going here so you can win

this

> > > > > debate

> > > > > > > and save face? Is this really too subtle for you to

really

> > > > grasp?

> > > > > > > Or too fragile of an ego to not matter Perhaps you

will

> > die

> > > > this

> > > > > > way

> > > > > > > then. Ho Hum. Follow your ancestors to the graveyard

of

> > ego

> > > > > > > preservation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mark

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pete got a little ego-minded Pittbull?....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > poor Pete...:)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ps: whats this discussions about consciousness and

awareness

> > > > > > about?....means, why should there be any fantastic

> > discussions

> > > > > about?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there is nobody who care about such details....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > peace is peace, doesn't matter the subject.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > consciousness is related to an imaginary

> > > > > somebody.....acting & reacting

> > > > > > on an appearent

> > > > > > world....others....trees....fishes.....flowers....etc....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and mainly on his/herself so.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > awareness isn't related to anybody.....to no

fictions....to

> > no

> > > > > > illusions.....to no " God " .....to Nobody......to

Nothing....to

> > No

> > > > > world

> > > > > > (s)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > awareness in the spiritual language, as far i see, is

used as

> > an

> > > > > > expression to what is behind this imaginay ego-bubble

writing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (awareness of " this & that " is of No subject in here)

> > > > > >

> > > > > peace includes all war.

> > > > > Mark

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > where there is peace....there is no war

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > ok.

> > >

> > > and marc mark my words...

> > >

> > > where there's war there is no peace.

> > >

> > > in fact..

> > >

> > > where there's peace..there is no peace.

> > >

> > > peace is kinda like santa claus..

> > >

> > > a dreamer's dream.

> > >

> > > peace,

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> >

> > messages are disappearing....:)

> >

> > ok then

> >

> > peace, no peace

> > war, no war

> >

> > who cares...

> >

> > Marc

>

>

> my first reply will appear later.

>

> lost in the ether-sphere now.

>

> like an experiment with a linear e+e- collider..

>

> it's fractional luminosity near mximum energy..

>

> in the presence of Beamstrahlung.

>

> it eventually will show up.

>

> LOL!

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

lol

 

messages out of nowhere....

 

from where else?!?!

 

:)

 

Marc

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