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souldreamone wrote:

>

> ****I believe I lost ya right at the end of my post. Of course, I

> wasn't suggesting coming to a conclusion. I'm suggesting looking

> intuitively to see if these ideas are actually so. Can you know this?

> Of course, you just have to be willing to see.

 

Can I know this intuitively? Yes, sort of.

 

The awareness is this intuition, in a manner of speaking. So we can't

really know it but rather we are it. If that makes any sense?

 

 

And don't worry about not following me in previous post, it was all

bullshit anyway.

 

 

 

>

> Realizing you don't need to do anything won't free you from suffering.

> You're not actually 'doing' anything now, and so nothing will change

> as long as there's still a 'you'.

>

>

>

>

> ------

Yeah of course, but I said I realise I don't " need " to do anything, I

didn't say I don't choose to do anything.

 

 

tyga

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Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote:

>

> souldreamone wrote:

> >

> > You might say I'm here to realize the futility of seeking.

>

> Isn't that what I was saying?

>

>

> > You begin with concepts and you make choices based on those

concepts,

> > and what happens is conceptual tail chasing. One of the beliefs you

> > have is that there is no I to believe anything, and yet you do

believe

> > there is na I, and those beliefs determine whether you experience

> > freedom or suffering for the rest of your life. At least notice the

> > contradiction. Preferably, look into that more closely and come to a

> > deeper understanding that really makes sense to 'you'.

> >

> > You have no need of seeking, and yet you feel a need to seek. Again,

> > look at the contradiction and see if you can really make some sense

> > out of it. You can, and that's what I do here. Sometimes I think of

> > what Buddha must have done. He obviouslty didn't latch onto some

> > religious concepts and give up before he found out what was really

> > going on. He questioned everything, checked out every possibility. Is

> > there a reason we can't do that? Isn't it in fact much easier for us

> > to do what he did, thanks to him and an army of gurus all pointing in

> > the same direction, saying " Look! "

> >

> > If there's nobody here and nothing to be done, then it's simple; just

> > stop pretending to be here doing stuff. Otherwise, ask yourself why

> > you're following beliefs you don't believe.

> >

> >

> >

> I don't feel a need to seek though, I seek because I choose to,

there is

> a difference. I enjoy the company of like minded people rather than

> doing it out of some compulsion. If there was no joy in what I do, then

> I would be happy to die, but as it is I have many joys, so why not hang

> around and enjoy the show?

>

> Besides, I was only making the point that if all we are going to say

> here is, " there is no this and there is no that " then there is no

> purpose of being here. I was making the point that we need to discuss

> ideas and concepts and that ideas and concepts are themselves illusory.

> So in order to have a forum worth frequenting, there has to be some

> entertainment, some reward. I enjoy the entertainment. I think it is

fun

> to hang around with people of like mindedness.

>

>

> tyga

 

 

all is fun when it's pointless..

 

no point made of that.

 

mindedness in mindlessness.

 

who you gonna call?

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote:

 

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> Yeah of course, but I said I realise I don't " need " to do anything, I

> didn't say I don't choose to do anything.

>

>

> tyga

 

So what makes you a seeker tyga?

What is lacking in your present state or what do you hope to find/become?

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In a message dated 08/11/2008 1:33:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, tyga writes:

Eric Paroissien wrote:> Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote:>> ------------------------------> >> Yeah of course, but I said I realise I don't "need" to do anything, I >> didn't say I don't choose to do anything. >>>>>> tyga>> >> So what makes you a seeker tyga?> What is lacking in your present state or what do you hope to find/become?>>>> --->> What makes me a seeker? The joy of seeking.Nothing is lacking in my present state and I do not hope to find/become anything, how could I, when I am already that which I seek? How could I hope to become anything but what I am?If I hid a wonderful treasure inside of myself, in order that I might have an amazing journey searching for that treasure, was that treasure really ever truly lost? No, I had it within me all of the time. It could not be lost, that treasure is me.tyga

 

The idea is not to become anything, but to realize what you are instead of conceptualizing that you already are what you seek. It's just a concept now, right? Concepts don't cause you to be Liberated. Is it really true that nothing is lacking, or is that just a story you tell yourself?

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Eric Paroissien wrote:

> Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote:

>

> ------------------------------

>

>> Yeah of course, but I said I realise I don't " need " to do anything, I

>> didn't say I don't choose to do anything.

>>

>>

>> tyga

>>

>

> So what makes you a seeker tyga?

> What is lacking in your present state or what do you hope to find/become?

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

 

What makes me a seeker? The joy of seeking.

 

 

Nothing is lacking in my present state and I do not hope to find/become

anything, how could I, when I am already that which I seek? How could I

hope to become anything but what I am?

 

If I hid a wonderful treasure inside of myself, in order that I might

have an amazing journey searching for that treasure, was that treasure

really ever truly lost? No, I had it within me all of the time. It could

not be lost, that treasure is me.

 

 

tyga

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In a message dated 08/11/2008 3:59:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, tyga writes:

 

> The idea is not to become anything, but to realize what you are > instead of conceptualizing that you already are what you seek. It's > just a concept now, right? Concepts don't cause you to be Liberated. > Is it really true that nothing is lacking, or is that just a story you > tell yourself?> >>>> ------Actually the conceptualisation IS the seeing.

 

 

 

*****Conceptualization is just conceptualization. It's not useful in a spiritual context.

 

 

 

Concepts do not indeed cause you to be liberated, that is correct. Liberation is the end of concepts.

 

****Liberated folks are free to conceptualize to their heart's content. What they have done is seen beyond the concepts. It is really true that there is nothing lacking and it is also true that this is just a story I tell myself.tyga

 

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In a message dated 08/11/2008 7:15:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, tyga writes:

> ****Are you certain there's nothing beyond the stories?>>What do want? More conceptualisations? You know as well as I do, that I can only offer you more concepts. That is the nature of words, thoughts and ideas.

 

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In a message dated 08/11/2008 8:03:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, tyga writes:

souldreamone wrote:> In a message dated 08/11/2008 7:15:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, > tyga writes:>> > ****Are you certain there's nothing beyond the stories?> >> >> What do want? More conceptualisations? You know as well as I do,> that I> can only offer you more concepts. That is the nature of words,> thoughts> and ideas.>> I'm just asking if you are certain there's nothing beyond the stories. > I'm not asking for any concepts. What's wrong with starting with yes > or no?>>>> ------Oh there is nothing wrong with a yes or no answer, but I didn't say there was nothing beyond the stories. You must have assumed that is what I was saying?tyga

 

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souldreamone wrote:

> In a message dated 08/11/2008 1:33:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> tyga writes:

>

> Eric Paroissien wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote:

> >

> > ------------------------------

> >

> >> Yeah of course, but I said I realise I don't " need " to do

> anything, I

> >> didn't say I don't choose to do anything.

> >>

> >>

> >> tyga

> >>

> >

> > So what makes you a seeker tyga?

> > What is lacking in your present state or what do you hope to

> find/become?

> >

> >

> >

> > ---

> >

> >

>

> What makes me a seeker? The joy of seeking.

>

>

> Nothing is lacking in my present state and I do not hope to

> find/become

> anything, how could I, when I am already that which I seek? How

> could I

> hope to become anything but what I am?

>

> If I hid a wonderful treasure inside of myself, in order that I might

> have an amazing journey searching for that treasure, was that

> treasure

> really ever truly lost? No, I had it within me all of the time. It

> could

> not be lost, that treasure is me.

>

>

> tyga

>

> The idea is not to become anything, but to realize what you are

> instead of conceptualizing that you already are what you seek. It's

> just a concept now, right? Concepts don't cause you to be Liberated.

> Is it really true that nothing is lacking, or is that just a story you

> tell yourself?

>

>

>

>

> ------

Actually the conceptualisation IS the seeing.

 

Concepts do not indeed cause you to be liberated, that is correct.

Liberation is the end of concepts.

 

It is really true that there is nothing lacking and it is also true that

this is just a story I tell myself.

 

tyga

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tyga wrote:

>

> Actually the conceptualisation IS the seeking.

>

> Concepts do not indeed cause you to be liberated, that is correct.

> Liberation is the end of concepts.

>

> It is really true that there is nothing lacking and it is also true that

> this is just a story I tell myself.

>

> tyga

>

> ---

>

>

Sorry, I accidentally put 'seeing' instead of 'seeking' in the first

sentenced. Isn't it funny how one little letter can completely change

the context of a sentence.

 

 

tyga

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souldreamone wrote:

> In a message dated 08/11/2008 3:59:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> tyga writes:

>

> > The idea is not to become anything, but to realize what you are

> > instead of conceptualizing that you already are what you seek. It's

> > just a concept now, right? Concepts don't cause you to be

> Liberated.

> > Is it really true that nothing is lacking, or is that just a

> story you

> > tell yourself?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> ------

> Actually the conceptualisation IS the seeing.

>

>

>

> *****Conceptualization is just conceptualization. It's not useful

> in a spiritual context.

>

 

Please explain?

 

>

>

>

>

>

> Concepts do not indeed cause you to be liberated, that is correct.

> Liberation is the end of concepts.

>

>

> ****Liberated folks are free to conceptualize to their heart's

> content. What they have done is seen beyond the concepts.

>

 

Yes, that is true. We are in agreement.

 

>

>

> It is really true that there is nothing lacking and it is also

> true that

> this is just a story I tell myself.

>

> tyga

>

> ****Are you certain there's nothing beyond the stories?

>

>

What do want? More conceptualisations? You know as well as I do, that I

can only offer you more concepts. That is the nature of words, thoughts

and ideas.

 

I think you might have misunderstood what I meant by " It is really true

that there is nothing lacking and it is also true that this is just a

story I tell myself. "

 

 

tyga

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souldreamone wrote:

> In a message dated 08/11/2008 7:15:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> tyga writes:

>

> > ****Are you certain there's nothing beyond the stories?

> >

> >

> What do want? More conceptualisations? You know as well as I do,

> that I

> can only offer you more concepts. That is the nature of words,

> thoughts

> and ideas.

>

> I'm just asking if you are certain there's nothing beyond the stories.

> I'm not asking for any concepts. What's wrong with starting with yes

> or no?

>

>

>

> ------

Oh there is nothing wrong with a yes or no answer, but I didn't say

there was nothing beyond the stories. You must have assumed that is what

I was saying?

 

tyga

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In a message dated 09/11/2008 11:03:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, ericparoissien writes:

Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote:...------> Actually the conceptualisation IS the seeing.> > Concepts do not indeed cause you to be liberated, that is correct. > Liberation is the end of concepts.> > It is really true that there is nothing lacking and it is also truethat > this is just a story I tell myself.> > tygatyga dear, if you lack the emergency impulse to get rid as soon aspossible of the fucking disease, then you'll be on that train for aslong as you wishPLUSjustify in your own eyes that you are a seeker (meaning lost) that hasit all figured out and is fine, is a lie or a delusion.THENdrop the act, drop the pretense, drop your opinions, drop the ideathat you are suffering but you are doing the right thing'CAUSEif you were doing the right thing, suffering would vanish in a blinkNEVER TO RETURN

 

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In a message dated 09/11/2008 11:48:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, tyga writes:

Eric Paroissien wrote:>>> tyga dear, if you lack the emergency impulse to get rid as soon as> possible of the fucking disease, then you'll be on that train for as> long as you wish> PLUS> justify in your own eyes that you are a seeker (meaning lost) that has> it all figured out and is fine, is a lie or a delusion.> THEN> drop the act, drop the pretense, drop your opinions, drop the idea> that you are suffering but you are doing the right thing> 'CAUSE> if you were doing the right thing, suffering would vanish in a blink> NEVER TO RETURN>>>>> ---> Thanks for the advice Eric. :)But you make many wild assumptions here about me and about what you believe I believe.If you are truly concerned with my welfare then I believe you ought to take the time to ask me questions and find who and what I am about before you assume you already know.Please feel free to pose some questions.tyga

 

***Welp, it seems clear from our discussion that there is no real impulse to be free or Awakened or however you want to talk about it, since you said you're just here to have fun and talk to like minded folks and such, so that part isn't wrong, right?

 

You haven't stated that you have it all figurd out, but you do seem to be satisfied with the contradictions as though the contradiction WERE the answer, and imply that there's nothing to be done about that. So, I see where he's going with the second part also.

 

What he's talking about in the third part is that you've reinforced yourself with various concepts that help you conclude that you're already free and there's nothing to be 'done', and yet suffering continues as it does for the rest of us chickens.

 

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In a message dated 09/11/2008 12:29:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, tyga writes:

souldreamone wrote:>>> tyga dear, if you lack the emergency impulse to get rid as soon as> possible of the fucking disease, then you'll be on that train for as> long as you wish> PLUS> justify in your own eyes that you are a seeker (meaning lost) that has> it all figured out and is fine, is a lie or a delusion.> THEN> drop the act, drop the pretense, drop your opinions, drop the idea> that you are suffering but you are doing the right thing> 'CAUSE> if you were doing the right thing, suffering would vanish in a blink> NEVER TO RETURN>> **Well, okay, yes, there's the clarity I was wanting to express but > couldn't get out of my tap dancing shoes. Hehe.>>>> ------The inability to communicate non-violently, is neither effective nor beneficial. I suggest that dancing effectively requires a great deal of agility and expertise, rather than simply stomping all over the place. :)tyga

 

***Yes, you're right about that. I admit that sometimes it just seems like too much work, though. One man's bluntness and straightforward approach is another man's violent attack. It all depends on how much personal attachment is present.

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Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote:

 

....

 

------

> Actually the conceptualisation IS the seeing.

>

> Concepts do not indeed cause you to be liberated, that is correct.

> Liberation is the end of concepts.

>

> It is really true that there is nothing lacking and it is also true

that

> this is just a story I tell myself.

>

> tyga

 

tyga dear, if you lack the emergency impulse to get rid as soon as

possible of the fucking disease, then you'll be on that train for as

long as you wish

PLUS

justify in your own eyes that you are a seeker (meaning lost) that has

it all figured out and is fine, is a lie or a delusion.

THEN

drop the act, drop the pretense, drop your opinions, drop the idea

that you are suffering but you are doing the right thing

'CAUSE

if you were doing the right thing, suffering would vanish in a blink

NEVER TO RETURN

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Eric Paroissien wrote:

>

>

> tyga dear, if you lack the emergency impulse to get rid as soon as

> possible of the fucking disease, then you'll be on that train for as

> long as you wish

> PLUS

> justify in your own eyes that you are a seeker (meaning lost) that has

> it all figured out and is fine, is a lie or a delusion.

> THEN

> drop the act, drop the pretense, drop your opinions, drop the idea

> that you are suffering but you are doing the right thing

> 'CAUSE

> if you were doing the right thing, suffering would vanish in a blink

> NEVER TO RETURN

>

>

>

>

> ---

>

Thanks for the advice Eric.

 

But you make many wild assumptions here about me and about what you

believe I believe.

 

If you are truly concerned with my welfare then I believe you ought to

take the time to ask me questions and find who and what I am about

before you assume you already know.

 

Please feel free to pose some questions.

 

 

 

tyga

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souldreamone wrote:

>

>

> tyga dear, if you lack the emergency impulse to get rid as soon as

> possible of the fucking disease, then you'll be on that train for as

> long as you wish

> PLUS

> justify in your own eyes that you are a seeker (meaning lost) that has

> it all figured out and is fine, is a lie or a delusion.

> THEN

> drop the act, drop the pretense, drop your opinions, drop the idea

> that you are suffering but you are doing the right thing

> 'CAUSE

> if you were doing the right thing, suffering would vanish in a blink

> NEVER TO RETURN

>

> **Well, okay, yes, there's the clarity I was wanting to express but

> couldn't get out of my tap dancing shoes. Hehe.

>

>

>

> ------

The inability to communicate non-violently, is neither effective nor

beneficial. I suggest that dancing effectively requires a great deal of

agility and expertise, rather than simply stomping all over the place.

 

 

tyga

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Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote:

 

....

 

------

> The inability to communicate non-violently, is neither effective nor

> beneficial. I suggest that dancing effectively requires a great deal of

> agility and expertise, rather than simply stomping all over the

place.

>

>

> tyga

 

Last week i took my two kids (Charles and Jeanne, 9 & 8) to the

spectacle " Stomp " here in Paris, it was a real treat for them, for

adults it's a bit ... ehr .. noisy!

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In a message dated 11/10/2008 12:18:37 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, tyga writes:

 

>> ***Welp, it seems clear from our discussion that there is no real > impulse to be free or Awakened or however you want to talk about it, > since you said you're just here to have fun and talk to like minded > folks and such, so that part isn't wrong, right?Yeah right, you are mostly correct. Only I think you might have been confused about the context.I was referring to the discussion, here, on this list, has constrained variables, which make the discussion limited in scope and functionality. Given these constraints, the forum here, forces me to treat the discussion as a kind of game of ideas and concepts, which is quite different to how I experience things intuitively and in real life relationships with people and my environment.The scope of discussion here and its limited functionality, is the initial reason I entered this thread and still remains my goal. If we are able to come to so understanding about what it is we are saying and attempting to convey at this juncture, I would love to return to that initial idea.The fact that I am here discussing these ideas, is evidence that I do indeed possess the impulse that Eric has described.> > You haven't stated that you have it all figurd out, but you do seem to > be satisfied with the contradictions as though the contradiction WERE > the answer, and imply that there's nothing to be done about that. So, > I see where he's going with the second part also.Yes, sort of correct.I don't see the contradictions as some sort of answer though. I see the contradictions as only contradictions that make for fun and entertaining discussion and contemplation. I see no answers in any concepts, only better and more ways to discuss and contemplate ideas, which is fun and entertaining, in the context of this discussion forum.I actually admitted that I am a seeker, I seek all of time, only I also admit that I enjoy it. I don't worry too much about whether my seeking is effective, I simply move on to the next level of seeking when I feel that this current level of seeking is no longer fulfilling.> > What he's talking about in the third part is that you've reinforced > yourself with various concepts that help you conclude that you're > already free and there's nothing to be 'done', and yet suffering > continues as it does for the rest of us chickens.No, not really. I think the words I use has made you and whoever else, come to conclusions about what you think I might have been saying.What I was attempting to convey, and not very well I suspect, is more or less what Eric has suggested."drop the act, drop the pretence, drop your opinions, drop the ideathat you are suffering but you are doing the right thing"> > What if you were to try to look for some truth in what was said > instead of looking for discrepancies? If it's basically true, but > you're okay with it, then that's what it is, and there's nothing more > to be said.>>>> ------Actually, I read what Eric said several times and did indeed try to find some truth, I just neglected to mention that.I was merely asking Eric to engage me in conversation before coming to conclusions.tyga

 

 

****Okay, thanks for clarifying.

It's strange. I hear you asking for folks to ask you questions and engage you in conversation, but I find myself hesitating because I remember you asking why I felt the need to ask you certain questions, which I didn't. That's kinda funny, huh?

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souldreamone wrote:

> In a message dated 09/11/2008 11:48:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> tyga writes:

>

> Eric Paroissien wrote:

> >

> >

> > tyga dear, if you lack the emergency impulse to get rid as soon as

> > possible of the fucking disease, then you'll be on that train for as

> > long as you wish

> > PLUS

> > justify in your own eyes that you are a seeker (meaning lost)

> that has

> > it all figured out and is fine, is a lie or a delusion.

> > THEN

> > drop the act, drop the pretense, drop your opinions, drop the idea

> > that you are suffering but you are doing the right thing

> > 'CAUSE

> > if you were doing the right thing, suffering would vanish in a blink

> > NEVER TO RETURN

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---

> >

> Thanks for the advice Eric.

>

> But you make many wild assumptions here about me and about what you

> believe I believe.

>

> If you are truly concerned with my welfare then I believe you

> ought to

> take the time to ask me questions and find who and what I am about

> before you assume you already know.

>

> Please feel free to pose some questions.

>

>

>

> tyga

>

> ***Welp, it seems clear from our discussion that there is no real

> impulse to be free or Awakened or however you want to talk about it,

> since you said you're just here to have fun and talk to like minded

> folks and such, so that part isn't wrong, right?

 

Yeah right, you are mostly correct. Only I think you might have been

confused about the context.

 

I was referring to the discussion, here, on this list, has constrained

variables, which make the discussion limited in scope and functionality.

Given these constraints, the forum here, forces me to treat the

discussion as a kind of game of ideas and concepts, which is quite

different to how I experience things intuitively and in real life

relationships with people and my environment.

 

The scope of discussion here and its limited functionality, is the

initial reason I entered this thread and still remains my goal. If we

are able to come to so understanding about what it is we are saying and

attempting to convey at this juncture, I would love to return to that

initial idea.

 

The fact that I am here discussing these ideas, is evidence that I do

indeed possess the impulse that Eric has described.

 

>

> You haven't stated that you have it all figurd out, but you do seem to

> be satisfied with the contradictions as though the contradiction WERE

> the answer, and imply that there's nothing to be done about that. So,

> I see where he's going with the second part also.

 

Yes, sort of correct.

 

I don't see the contradictions as some sort of answer though. I see the

contradictions as only contradictions that make for fun and entertaining

discussion and contemplation. I see no answers in any concepts, only

better and more ways to discuss and contemplate ideas, which is fun and

entertaining, in the context of this discussion forum.

 

I actually admitted that I am a seeker, I seek all of time, only I also

admit that I enjoy it. I don't worry too much about whether my seeking

is effective, I simply move on to the next level of seeking when I feel

that this current level of seeking is no longer fulfilling.

 

>

> What he's talking about in the third part is that you've reinforced

> yourself with various concepts that help you conclude that you're

> already free and there's nothing to be 'done', and yet suffering

> continues as it does for the rest of us chickens.

 

No, not really. I think the words I use has made you and whoever else,

come to conclusions about what you think I might have been saying.

 

What I was attempting to convey, and not very well I suspect, is more or

less what Eric has suggested.

 

" drop the act, drop the pretence, drop your opinions, drop the idea

that you are suffering but you are doing the right thing "

 

>

> What if you were to try to look for some truth in what was said

> instead of looking for discrepancies? If it's basically true, but

> you're okay with it, then that's what it is, and there's nothing more

> to be said.

>

>

>

> ------

Actually, I read what Eric said several times and did indeed try to find

some truth, I just neglected to mention that.

 

I was merely asking Eric to engage me in conversation before coming to

conclusions.

 

 

tyga

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Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien "

<ericparoissien wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote:

>

> ------------------------------

> > Yeah of course, but I said I realise I don't " need " to do

anything, I

> > didn't say I don't choose to do anything.

> >

> >

> > tyga

>

> So what makes you a seeker tyga?

> What is lacking in your present state or what do you hope to

find/become?

 

 

good question

 

maybe he don't know what he hope to find/become

 

Marc

>

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Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote:

>

> Eric Paroissien wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote:

> >

> > ------------------------------

> >

> >> Yeah of course, but I said I realise I don't " need " to do

anything, I

> >> didn't say I don't choose to do anything.

> >>

> >>

> >> tyga

> >>

> >

> > So what makes you a seeker tyga?

> > What is lacking in your present state or what do you hope to

find/become?

> >

> >

> >

> > ---

> >

> >

>

> What makes me a seeker? The joy of seeking.

>

>

> Nothing is lacking in my present state and I do not hope to

find/become

> anything, how could I, when I am already that which I seek? How

could I

> hope to become anything but what I am?

>

> If I hid a wonderful treasure inside of myself, in order that I

might

> have an amazing journey searching for that treasure, was that

treasure

> really ever truly lost? No, I had it within me all of the time. It

could

> not be lost, that treasure is me.

>

>

> tyga

 

 

 

so how possible that such a " treasure " is showing all the time his

ignorance about him & world...?...

 

how possible that this little ego-mind is constantly seeking many

excuses for his miserable words?....

 

Marc

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote:

 

....

 

> I was merely asking Eric to engage me in conversation before coming to

> conclusions.

>

>

> tyga

 

Oh yeah, no problem tyga, all this was well understood, only i did not

know what to add; sure we can deepen any issue you like, you can talk

about yourself more on these lines and we start a thread.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/11/2008 1:29:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, gyanarthi writes:

 

> ***Yes, you're right about that. I admit that sometimes it justseems like > too much work, though. One man's bluntness and straightforwardapproach is > another man's violent attack. It all depends on how much personalattachment is > present.> Don't we have to assume there is a mega-dose of "personal attachment"on the other side of everything we write? I don't expect to find any "enlightened" folks on-line. NoSelf hasNo-other it needs to converse with. Nothing to do, and nothing to say.

 

Hi Bennet

Well, I've met 3 or 4 folks over the years that I'm confident about, and they do love people and may have quite a bit to say to themSelves, but it's true, there's not a lot of casual, mindless chatting on the forums like we do. However, attachment isn't an all or nothing thing, with 'megadoses of attachment' on one side of Awakening and nothing on the other. I actually assume, though I'm often mistaken, that folks who are involved with nonduality have done some good ego work and are at least conscious and the ego's no longer particularly trigger happy. Where this isn't the case, the guru teachings aren't of any use and they need to go work with Byron Katie or read Tolle's 'A New Earth' or some other focus on ego work. Most gurus don't want to talk about ego and can't help with that. Ego can be made almost inert without having to 'Awaken' because there isn't really an ego functioning anyway.

 

 

 

Nonetheless, I come to a group like this for help. Perhaps just forthe right reflection at the right time... For myself, I have this tickle that needs scratching. It keeps comingup. I want to know the truth of "my" existence. I've heard all thewords over and over thousands of times, played the game forever, and Iam ready for the game to be over.I'm ready for it to be over in much the same way as a junkieapproaching the end of a long binge knows it can't go on forever, andmight as well stop soon... maybe just after that next hit... ... butmaybe... why not... why not? Just stop.N. says he believed his guru. And I believe him. The immanence of theendgame is the truth I found with N. He said we need to keep on asking questions, until we have no doubtsleft. So I keep looking, exploring, inquiring, and asking questions.

 

 

***Yeah, I can identify with all that. What I see as absolutely critical is that clarity be gained intuitively, or the answers will never come, or more to the point, the questions will never dissolve. I don't think there's a way to teach this intuitive seeing.

Re: the discussion group - I'm going to start a face-to-facediscussion group in Tallahassee - reading I Am That. I've ordered adozen books that I'll make available at cost, find a place, and gofrom there. I don't know whether such a group will be helpful for anyof us, but it comes up for me to do it. So I do it.\much lovebennett/gyanarthi

 

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