Guest guest Report post Posted October 29, 2008 Hi all, I'm new to this group... And just found Nisargadatta Maharaj a couple months ago. I read " I Am That " and would like now to get with some folks and read it together a chapter at a time with discussion to follow. Questions: 1. Have any of you been in a face-to-face group like this, and if so, did group members find it helpful? 2. Do you know if there is a central listing of reading/discussion groups like this? 3. Are there any list members in the Tallahassee FL USA area interested in such a group? All the best, Bennett/Gyanarthi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 30, 2008 Nisargadatta , " bennett " <gyanarthi wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm new to this group... > > And just found Nisargadatta Maharaj a couple months ago. > > I read " I Am That " and would like now to get with some folks and read > it together a chapter at a time with discussion to follow. > > Questions: > > 1. Have any of you been in a face-to-face group like this, and if so, > did group members find it helpful? > > 2. Do you know if there is a central listing of reading/discussion > groups like this? > > 3. Are there any list members in the Tallahassee FL USA area > interested in such a group? > > All the best, > > Bennett/Gyanarthi > By the time you gets to Nisargadatta's house......you are on your own. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 30, 2008 bennett wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm new to this group... > > And just found Nisargadatta Maharaj a couple months ago. > > I read " I Am That " and would like now to get with some folks and read > it together a chapter at a time with discussion to follow. > Hi Benett, Welcome aboard. That sounds like a good idea, I would be willing to participate in such an exercise. > Questions: > > 1. Have any of you been in a face-to-face group like this, and if so, > did group members find it helpful? > > No I haven't. > 2. Do you know if there is a central listing of reading/discussion > groups like this? > No > 3. Are there any list members in the Tallahassee FL USA area > interested in such a group? > > All the best, > > Bennett/Gyanarthi > > > --- > regards, tyga Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 30, 2008 Dear Bennett/gyanrthi, you may find these links of mine useful: http://www.scribd.com/people/view/181537-pradeep-apte http://www.lulu.com/content/2194899 http://www.lulu.com/content/2469683 Love Pradeep--- On Thu, 10/30/08, bennett <gyanarthi wrote: bennett <gyanarthi "I Am That " discussion groupsNisargadatta Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:26 AM Hi all,I'm new to this group...And just found Nisargadatta Maharaj a couple months ago.I read "I Am That" and would like now to get with some folks and readit together a chapter at a time with discussion to follow.Questions:1. Have any of you been in a face-to-face group like this, and if so,did group members find it helpful?2. Do you know if there is a central listing of reading/discussiongroups like this?3. Are there any list members in the Tallahassee FL USA areainterested in such a group? All the best,Bennett/Gyanarthi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 31, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > Nisargadatta , " bennett " <gyanarthi@> wrote: > > Questions: > > 1. Have any of you been in a face-to-face group like this, and if so, did group members find it helpful? > > 2. Do you know if there is a central listing of reading/discussion > > groups like this? > > 3. Are there any list members in the Tallahassee FL USA area > > interested in such a group? > > All the best, > > Bennett/Gyanarthi > > > By the time you gets to Nisargadatta's house......you are on your own. > toombaru > True enough... but I find satsang helpful and enjoy the face-to-face play. bennett Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 31, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > bennett wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm new to this group... > > And just found Nisargadatta Maharaj a couple months ago. > > I read " I Am That " and would like now to get with some folks and read > > it together a chapter at a time with discussion to follow. > > Hi Benett, > Welcome aboard. > That sounds like a good idea, I would be willing to participate in such an exercise. > > > Questions: > > 1. Have any of you been in a face-to-face group like this, and if so,did group members find it helpful? > No I haven't. > > 2. Do you know if there is a central listing of reading/discussion > > groups like this? > No > > 3. Are there any list members in the Tallahassee FL USA area > > interested in such a group? > > All the best, > > Bennett/Gyanarthi > > --- > regards, > tyga thanks tyga, I was thinking about a face-to-face group, were you thinking of doing it on-line on the group, here, or do you live in the Tallahassee area? regards (I like that), bennett Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , Pradeep Apte <prdp_apte wrote: > > Dear Bennett/gyanrthi, > you may find these links of mine useful: > http://www.scribd.com/people/view/181537-pradeep-apte > http://www.lulu.com/content/2194899 > http://www.lulu.com/content/2469683 > Love > Pradeep thanks pradeep, Yes. thank you very much. Your chart is very beautiful, and interesting. I am reminded of diagrams of the Kabalistic Tree of Life .... the diagrams are similar in a way... mapping consciousness from the personal self back to the unknowable source. My first take of the kabbalistic tree was framed long ago, and somehow the notion of a path from " here to there " lurked always in the background of my mind. I became aware of that as I examined your graphic representation, and suddenly saw the kabbalistic tree in the same light as the diagram of N.'s teachings. Not that one moved from the bottom world to the top, but that one is all. Love bennett > > --- On Thu, 10/30/08, bennett <gyanarthi wrote: > > bennett <gyanarthi > " I Am That " discussion groups > Nisargadatta > Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:26 AM > Hi all, > I'm new to this group... > And just found Nisargadatta Maharaj a couple months ago. > I read " I Am That " and would like now to get with some folks and read > it together a chapter at a time with discussion to follow. > Questions: > 1. Have any of you been in a face-to-face group like this, and if so, did group members find it helpful? > 2. Do you know if there is a central listing of reading/discussion > groups like this? > 3. Are there any list members in the Tallahassee FL USA area > interested in such a group? > > All the best, > > Bennett/Gyanarthi > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , " bennett " <gyanarthi wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bennett " <gyanarthi@> wrote: > > > Questions: > > > 1. Have any of you been in a face-to-face group like this, and if > so, did group members find it helpful? > > > 2. Do you know if there is a central listing of reading/discussion > > > groups like this? > > > 3. Are there any list members in the Tallahassee FL USA area > > > interested in such a group? > > > All the best, > > > Bennett/Gyanarthi > > > > > > By the time you gets to Nisargadatta's house......you are on your own. > > toombaru > > > True enough... but I find satsang helpful and enjoy the face-to-face > play. > > bennett > You enjoy the little shots of feel-good chemicals that saturate your brain when it thinks it has found something that will help its imaginary sense of I amness. If you're enjoying it.....you ain't doin it right. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2008 In a message dated 31/10/2008 9:48:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote:>> toombaru2006 wrote:> >> >> >> > LOL> >> >> > I'm trying to save him thirty years of searching for something that> > exists only as an idea.> >> > Not to mention the thousands of dollars in books and trips to see> > people who claim to have reached the imaginary state.> >> > I am here to tell him that the only thing that will appease that> > persistent little tickle in his head lies much closer than he canimagine.> >> >> > toombaru> >> >> >> >> > ---> >> > > In his underpants?> > tyga>In a manner of speaking.:-)toombaru ***Is that what they mean by "the guru is within?"Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bennett " <gyanarthi@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " bennett " <gyanarthi@> wrote: > > > > Questions: > > > > 1. Have any of you been in a face-to-face group like this, and if > > so, did group members find it helpful? > > > > 2. Do you know if there is a central listing of reading/discussion > > > > groups like this? > > > > 3. Are there any list members in the Tallahassee FL USA area > > > > interested in such a group? > > > > All the best, > > > > Bennett/Gyanarthi > > > > > > > > > By the time you gets to Nisargadatta's house......you are on your own. > > > toombaru > > > > > True enough... but I find satsang helpful and enjoy the face-to-face > > play. > > > > bennett > > > > > > > You enjoy the little shots of feel-good chemicals that saturate your > brain when it thinks it has found something that will help its > imaginary sense of I amness. > > If you're enjoying it.....you ain't doin it right. > > > > > > toombaru > Did you dress up in a devil costume today? Don't lead the man astray.... ! ~A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bennett " <gyanarthi@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bennett " <gyanarthi@> wrote: > > > > > Questions: > > > > > 1. Have any of you been in a face-to-face group like this, and if > > > so, did group members find it helpful? > > > > > 2. Do you know if there is a central listing of reading/discussion > > > > > groups like this? > > > > > 3. Are there any list members in the Tallahassee FL USA area > > > > > interested in such a group? > > > > > All the best, > > > > > Bennett/Gyanarthi > > > > > > > > > > > > By the time you gets to Nisargadatta's house......you are on > your own. > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > True enough... but I find satsang helpful and enjoy the face-to-face > > > play. > > > > > > bennett > > > > > > > > > > > > > You enjoy the little shots of feel-good chemicals that saturate your > > brain when it thinks it has found something that will help its > > imaginary sense of I amness. > > > > If you're enjoying it.....you ain't doin it right. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Did you dress up in a devil costume today? > > Don't lead the man astray.... ! > > ~A > LOL I'm trying to save him thirty years of searching for something that exists only as an idea. Not to mention the thousands of dollars in books and trips to see people who claim to have reached the imaginary state. I am here to tell him that the only thing that will appease that persistent little tickle in his head lies much closer than he can imagine. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2008 toombaru2006 wrote: > > > > LOL > > > I'm trying to save him thirty years of searching for something that > exists only as an idea. > > Not to mention the thousands of dollars in books and trips to see > people who claim to have reached the imaginary state. > > I am here to tell him that the only thing that will appease that > persistent little tickle in his head lies much closer than he can imagine. > > > toombaru > > > > > --- > > In his underpants? tyga Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > toombaru2006 wrote: > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > I'm trying to save him thirty years of searching for something that > > exists only as an idea. > > > > Not to mention the thousands of dollars in books and trips to see > > people who claim to have reached the imaginary state. > > > > I am here to tell him that the only thing that will appease that > > persistent little tickle in his head lies much closer than he can imagine. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > In his underpants? > > tyga > In a manner of speaking. :-) toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 3, 2008 Sorry I missed all this - I was away - tickling myself at a drum gathering this weekend - quite delightful!! I'm afraid you're too late, toombaru... but I've got way more than that invested in the this cosmic-search-for-self dance.... more time, more money, and plenty books. Actually I'm selling all my books... listing/selling them at www.gyanarthibooks.com When I say invested, I don't mean with any sense of expected return. I don't believe I ever felt that. The search for self dance was just like a little St. Vitus tick that went off spontaneously some 43 years ago. And I've been dancing ever since. The 24 years that proceeded that tickle burst were mostly hell. And life since then has mostly been about letting go... and letting go of more... maybe it all goes one day... maybe not... I just know nothing else, and nothing else delights in quite the same way. peace and love, bennett/gyanarthi Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 31/10/2008 9:48:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > > toombaru2006 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to save him thirty years of searching for something that > > > exists only as an idea. > > > > > > Not to mention the thousands of dollars in books and trips to see > > > people who claim to have reached the imaginary state. > > > > > > I am here to tell him that the only thing that will appease that > > > persistent little tickle in his head lies much closer than he can > imagine. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > In his underpants? > > > > tyga > > > > > > > In a manner of speaking. > > :-) > > > > toombaru > > > > ***Is that what they mean by " the guru is within? " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 4, 2008 Nisargadatta , " bennett " <gyanarthi wrote: > > Sorry I missed all this - I was away - tickling myself at a drum > gathering this weekend - quite delightful!! > > I'm afraid you're too late, toombaru... but I've got way more than > that invested in the this cosmic-search-for-self dance.... more time, > more money, and plenty books. Actually I'm selling all my books... > listing/selling them at www.gyanarthibooks.com > > When I say invested, I don't mean with any sense of expected return. I > don't believe I ever felt that. The search for self dance was just > like a little St. Vitus tick that went off spontaneously some 43 years > ago. And I've been dancing ever since. The 24 years that proceeded > that tickle burst were mostly hell. > And life since then has mostly been about letting go... and letting go > of more... maybe it all goes one day... maybe not... I just know > nothing else, and nothing else delights in quite the same way. > > peace and love, > bennett/gyanarthi :-) The search will continue until it doesn't. Hey.......you gotta do sumthin......right? One thing to keep in mind about letting go: The attempt to let go isn't letting go. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 4, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bennett " <gyanarthi@> wrote: > > > > Sorry I missed all this - I was away - tickling myself at a drum > > gathering this weekend - quite delightful!! > > > > I'm afraid you're too late, toombaru... but I've got way more than > > that invested in the this cosmic-search-for-self dance.... more time, > > more money, and plenty books. Actually I'm selling all my books... > > listing/selling them at www.gyanarthibooks.com > > > > When I say invested, I don't mean with any sense of expected return. I > > don't believe I ever felt that. The search for self dance was just > > like a little St. Vitus tick that went off spontaneously some 43 years > > ago. And I've been dancing ever since. The 24 years that proceeded > > that tickle burst were mostly hell. > > And life since then has mostly been about letting go... and letting go > > of more... maybe it all goes one day... maybe not... I just know > > nothing else, and nothing else delights in quite the same way. > > > > peace and love, > > bennett/gyanarthi > > > :-) > > The search will continue until it doesn't. > > Hey.......you gotta do sumthin......right? > > One thing to keep in mind about letting go: > > The attempt to let go isn't letting go. > > > toombaru > yes... it seems that it all continues until it doesn't. It's very interesting. About a month ago I found myself throwing away my tobacco. I liked smoking, I didn't have any particular desire to stop. But I was curious to see how my mind/process would deal with it. And I wanted to watch the unwinding. interesting... it all continues until it doesn't... bennett/gyanarthi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 4, 2008 In a message dated 11/4/2008 2:07:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, yohansky writes: > > yes... it seems that it all continues until it doesn't. > > > > It's very interesting. About a month ago I found myself throwing away> > my tobacco. I liked smoking, I didn't have any particular desire to> > stop. But I was curious to see how my mind/process would deal with it.> > And I wanted to watch the unwinding.> > interesting... it all continues until it doesn't...> > bennett/gyanarthi> >> > > > We don't have addictions......We ARE addictions.> > > > > :-)> > > > toombaru>I'm listening...with close attention... 'We', of course, aren't the person, and addiction is just one of the dynamics contained in the belief structure that is the person, though you might say a dominant one. It seems an oversimplification to equate the egoic belief structure to addiction. Would we say we're addicted to not liking broccoli or scary movies? Are the enjoyment of creativity and beauty addictions? Maybe a 12 step program: 'Sunset Lovers Anonymous.?Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 4, 2008 Nisargadatta , " bennett " <gyanarthi wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bennett " <gyanarthi@> wrote: > > > > > > Sorry I missed all this - I was away - tickling myself at a drum > > > gathering this weekend - quite delightful!! > > > > > > I'm afraid you're too late, toombaru... but I've got way more than > > > that invested in the this cosmic-search-for-self dance.... more time, > > > more money, and plenty books. Actually I'm selling all my books... > > > listing/selling them at www.gyanarthibooks.com > > > > > > When I say invested, I don't mean with any sense of expected return. I > > > don't believe I ever felt that. The search for self dance was just > > > like a little St. Vitus tick that went off spontaneously some 43 years > > > ago. And I've been dancing ever since. The 24 years that proceeded > > > that tickle burst were mostly hell. > > > And life since then has mostly been about letting go... and letting go > > > of more... maybe it all goes one day... maybe not... I just know > > > nothing else, and nothing else delights in quite the same way. > > > > > > peace and love, > > > bennett/gyanarthi > > > > > > :-) > > > > The search will continue until it doesn't. > > > > Hey.......you gotta do sumthin......right? > > > > One thing to keep in mind about letting go: > > > > The attempt to let go isn't letting go. > > > > > > toombaru > > > yes... it seems that it all continues until it doesn't. > > It's very interesting. About a month ago I found myself throwing away > my tobacco. I liked smoking, I didn't have any particular desire to > stop. But I was curious to see how my mind/process would deal with it. > And I wanted to watch the unwinding. > interesting... it all continues until it doesn't... > bennett/gyanarthi > We don't have addictions......We ARE addictions. :-) toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 4, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bennett " <gyanarthi@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bennett " <gyanarthi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sorry I missed all this - I was away - tickling myself at a drum > > > > gathering this weekend - quite delightful!! > > > > > > > > I'm afraid you're too late, toombaru... but I've got way more than > > > > that invested in the this cosmic-search-for-self dance.... more > time, > > > > more money, and plenty books. Actually I'm selling all my books... > > > > listing/selling them at www.gyanarthibooks.com > > > > > > > > When I say invested, I don't mean with any sense of expected > return. I > > > > don't believe I ever felt that. The search for self dance was just > > > > like a little St. Vitus tick that went off spontaneously some 43 > years > > > > ago. And I've been dancing ever since. The 24 years that proceeded > > > > that tickle burst were mostly hell. > > > > And life since then has mostly been about letting go... and > letting go > > > > of more... maybe it all goes one day... maybe not... I just know > > > > nothing else, and nothing else delights in quite the same way. > > > > > > > > peace and love, > > > > bennett/gyanarthi > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > The search will continue until it doesn't. > > > > > > Hey.......you gotta do sumthin......right? > > > > > > One thing to keep in mind about letting go: > > > > > > The attempt to let go isn't letting go. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > yes... it seems that it all continues until it doesn't. > > > > It's very interesting. About a month ago I found myself throwing away > > my tobacco. I liked smoking, I didn't have any particular desire to > > stop. But I was curious to see how my mind/process would deal with it. > > And I wanted to watch the unwinding. > > interesting... it all continues until it doesn't... > > bennett/gyanarthi > > > > > > We don't have addictions......We ARE addictions. > > > > > :-) > > > > toombaru > I'm listening...with close attention... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 5, 2008 Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bennett " <gyanarthi@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bennett " <gyanarthi@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sorry I missed all this - I was away - tickling myself at a > drum > > > > > gathering this weekend - quite delightful!! > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid you're too late, toombaru... but I've got way more > than > > > > > that invested in the this cosmic-search-for-self dance.... > more > > time, > > > > > more money, and plenty books. Actually I'm selling all my > books... > > > > > listing/selling them at www.gyanarthibooks.com > > > > > > > > > > When I say invested, I don't mean with any sense of expected > > return. I > > > > > don't believe I ever felt that. The search for self dance was > just > > > > > like a little St. Vitus tick that went off spontaneously some > 43 > > years > > > > > ago. And I've been dancing ever since. The 24 years that > proceeded > > > > > that tickle burst were mostly hell. > > > > > And life since then has mostly been about letting go... and > > letting go > > > > > of more... maybe it all goes one day... maybe not... I just > know > > > > > nothing else, and nothing else delights in quite the same way. > > > > > > > > > > peace and love, > > > > > bennett/gyanarthi > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > The search will continue until it doesn't. > > > > > > > > Hey.......you gotta do sumthin......right? > > > > > > > > One thing to keep in mind about letting go: > > > > > > > > The attempt to let go isn't letting go. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > yes... it seems that it all continues until it doesn't. > > > > > > It's very interesting. About a month ago I found myself throwing > away > > > my tobacco. I liked smoking, I didn't have any particular desire > to > > > stop. But I was curious to see how my mind/process would deal > with it. > > > And I wanted to watch the unwinding. > > > interesting... it all continues until it doesn't... > > > bennett/gyanarthi > > > > > > > > > > > We don't have addictions......We ARE addictions. > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > I'm listening...with close attention... > The assumption that there is and entity at the center of the swirling mnemonic debris is unfounded. The sense of being a separate self is a by-product of the conceptualization process that is unique in the mind of man. It evolved to look outward and scan the horizon for those things that can help it or harm it. There is a good reason that when it looks inside......it seen nothing but roof brain chatter. Essentially is a complex of solidified habitual learned and acquired behaviors. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 5, 2008 In a message dated 11/4/2008 6:30:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lastrain writes: > > We don't have addictions......We ARE addictions.> > > > > > > > > > :-)> > > > > > > > toombaru> >> > I'm listening...with close attention... > > > 'We', of course, aren't the person, and addiction is just one of the > dynamics contained in the belief structure that is the person,though you might say > a dominant one. It seems an oversimplification to equate the egoicbelief > structure to addiction. Would we say we're addicted to not likingbroccoli or > scary movies? Are the enjoyment of creativity and beautyaddictions? Maybe a > 12 step program: 'Sunset Lovers Anonymous.?> > We are addicted to our preferences.We are the channels that direct the flow of our "choices".We are the groves worn into our imaginary world by our habitualtendencies.Yes......some of us are "addicted" to sunsets, kisses and chocolateice cream.The self is composed of nothing but preferences.toombaru The self is composed of an entire paradigm of separateness that implies opposition, fear, struggle, suffering, need, as well as loving kindness, compassion, astounding creativity, innovation, imagination and beauty. Tears of sorrow, longing and joy. When self is reduced to a single dimension of mechanical friction, something within objects to that oversimplification because it was never true. It doesn't ring true to the sacred aspect that is brilliantly present throughout all our wild, ignorant spinning to nowhere. We love the sunsets, kisses and chocolate ice cream, the grandkids and the politics and the 'save the whales' T-shirts and men who die in battle and women who break our hearts. To pretend it isn't so is to cleave our hearts in hopes of making them whole. When the dreamer awakens, insipid life is not abandoned as a product of swirling neumonic debris and addiction, it's embraced for the miracle that it always was. One does not finally come to understand the banality of human existence, but instead falls madly in love with the mystery. You will never recognize your divinity while doing battle with your humanity. They are the same. Set it all free or remain in prison. Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 5, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 11/4/2008 2:07:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > yohansky writes: > > > > yes... it seems that it all continues until it doesn't. > > > > > > It's very interesting. About a month ago I found myself throwing > away > > > my tobacco. I liked smoking, I didn't have any particular desire > to > > > stop. But I was curious to see how my mind/process would deal > with it. > > > And I wanted to watch the unwinding. > > > interesting... it all continues until it doesn't... > > > bennett/gyanarthi > > > > > > > > > > > We don't have addictions......We ARE addictions. > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > I'm listening...with close attention... > > > 'We', of course, aren't the person, and addiction is just one of the > dynamics contained in the belief structure that is the person, though you might say > a dominant one. It seems an oversimplification to equate the egoic belief > structure to addiction. Would we say we're addicted to not liking broccoli or > scary movies? Are the enjoyment of creativity and beauty addictions? Maybe a > 12 step program: 'Sunset Lovers Anonymous.? > > We are addicted to our preferences. We are the channels that direct the flow of our " choices " . We are the groves worn into our imaginary world by our habitual tendencies. Yes......some of us are " addicted " to sunsets, kisses and chocolate ice cream. The self is composed of nothing but preferences. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 5, 2008 In a message dated 11/5/2008 10:55:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, gyanarthi writes: > > I'm listening...with close attention... > > 'We', of course, aren't the person, and addiction is just one ofthe dynamics contained in the belief structure that is the person,though you might say a dominant one. It seems an oversimplificationto equate the egoic belief structure to addiction. Would we say we're addicted to not liking broccoli or scary movies? Are theenjoyment of creativity and beauty addictions? Maybe a 12 stepprogram: 'Sunset Lovers Anonymous.? > > We are addicted to our preferences.> We are the channels that direct the flow of our "choices".> We are the groves worn into our imaginary world by our habitual> tendencies.> Yes......some of us are "addicted" to sunsets, kisses and chocolate> ice cream.> The self is composed of nothing but preferences.> toombaru> > The self is composed of an entire paradigm of separateness thatimplies opposition, fear, struggle, suffering, need, as well asloving kindness, compassion, astounding creativity, innovation,imagination and beauty. Tears of sorrow, longing and joy. > When self is reduced to a single dimension of mechanical friction,something within objects to that oversimplification because it wasnever true. It doesn't ring true to the sacred aspect that isbrilliantly present throughout all our wild, ignorant spinning tonowhere. We love the sunsets, kisses and chocolate ice cream, the grandkids and the politics and the 'save the whales' T-shirts and menwho die in battle and women who break our hearts.To pretend it isn't so is to cleave our hearts in hopes of makingthem whole.When the dreamer awakens, insipid life is not abandoned as a productof swirling neumonic debris and addiction, it's embraced for themiracle that it always was. One does not finally come to understandthe banality of human existence, but instead falls madly in love withthe mystery. You will never recognize your divinity while doingbattle with your humanity. They are the same.Set it all free or remain in prison. > With all due respect...the question keeps coming up for me:Do you all really know what you are talking about? Or are youinferring it from the objective knowledge you have obtained?If I have stumbled onto a group of Jnani's here, perhaps I need tojust sit quietly in the back of the room and take it all in, until Iam told to leave because I am taking up too much space...please advise...much lovebennett/gyanarthi Hi Bennett I understand the dilemma and I shared it for a long time. Speaking generally, folks have a wide range of experiences and insights and are jabbering from a wide range of clarity and delusion, wisdom and ignorance, and it's up to you to find out which is which. Some speak from the mind, some from the heart, some with a mixture of both. Some are conscious and some unconscious. Some have read a lot of books and sound good but don't really get it, while others are not well read but have connected to something powerful inside. In my opinion, nobody here is Awakened, though some would like you to believe that. I've given up qualifying the source because it's not really possible to know for sure unless they admit that they're not Awakened and typically I'm the only one on a list willing to admit that. Besides, it all has to be seen by each individual anyhoo, and it's not a matter of trusting what one says. If it sounds good, maybe meditate/contemplate and see if it's really so. As far me, I'm kinda like the kid on "The Sixth Sense" who says 'I see dead people'. I see things, clearly as the back of my hand, and I talk from that place of seeing. I've had my share of experiences, but I'm not sure what experiences mean and I rarely talk about em. Again, there's no reason for you to believe me or anyone else, and I suggest you don't bother to try. I'd be delighted to read your perspective/insight on whatever you're inclined to talk about. Phil AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 5, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 11/4/2008 6:30:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > lastrain writes: > > > > We don't have addictions......We ARE addictions. > > > :-) > > > toombaru > > > > > > > I'm listening...with close attention... > > 'We', of course, aren't the person, and addiction is just one of the dynamics contained in the belief structure that is the person, though you might say a dominant one. It seems an oversimplification to equate the egoic belief structure to addiction. Would we say we're addicted to not liking broccoli or scary movies? Are the enjoyment of creativity and beauty addictions? Maybe a 12 step program: 'Sunset Lovers Anonymous.? > > We are addicted to our preferences. > We are the channels that direct the flow of our " choices " . > We are the groves worn into our imaginary world by our habitual > tendencies. > Yes......some of us are " addicted " to sunsets, kisses and chocolate > ice cream. > The self is composed of nothing but preferences. > toombaru > > The self is composed of an entire paradigm of separateness that implies opposition, fear, struggle, suffering, need, as well as loving kindness, compassion, astounding creativity, innovation, imagination and beauty. Tears of sorrow, longing and joy. > When self is reduced to a single dimension of mechanical friction, something within objects to that oversimplification because it was never true. It doesn't ring true to the sacred aspect that is brilliantly present throughout all our wild, ignorant spinning to nowhere. We love the sunsets, kisses and chocolate ice cream, the grandkids and the politics and the 'save the whales' T-shirts and men who die in battle and women who break our hearts. To pretend it isn't so is to cleave our hearts in hopes of making them whole. When the dreamer awakens, insipid life is not abandoned as a product of swirling neumonic debris and addiction, it's embraced for the miracle that it always was. One does not finally come to understand the banality of human existence, but instead falls madly in love with the mystery. You will never recognize your divinity while doing battle with your humanity. They are the same. Set it all free or remain in prison. > With all due respect... the question keeps coming up for me: Do you all really know what you are talking about? Or are you inferring it from the objective knowledge you have obtained? If I have stumbled onto a group of Jnani's here, perhaps I need to just sit quietly in the back of the room and take it all in, until I am told to leave because I am taking up too much space... please advise... much love bennett/gyanarthi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 5, 2008 souldreamone wrote: > > > > Hi Bennett > I understand the dilemma and I shared it for a long time. Speaking > generally, folks have a wide range of experiences and insights and > are jabbering from a wide range of clarity and delusion, wisdom > and ignorance, and it's up to you to find out which is which. Some > speak from the mind, some from the heart, some with a mixture of > both. Some are conscious and some unconscious. Some have read a > lot of books and sound good but don't really get it, while others > are not well read but have connected to something powerful inside. > > In my opinion, nobody here is Awakened, though some would like you > to believe that. I've given up qualifying the source because it's > not really possible to know for sure unless they admit that > they're not Awakened and typically I'm the only one on a list > willing to admit that. Besides, it all has to be seen by each > individual anyhoo, and it's not a matter of trusting what one > says. If it sounds good, maybe meditate/contemplate and see if > it's really so. As far me, I'm kinda like the kid on " The Sixth > Sense " who says 'I see dead people'. I see things, clearly as the > back of my hand, and I talk from that place of seeing. I've had my > share of experiences, but I'm not sure what experiences mean and I > rarely talk about em. Again, there's no reason for you to believe > me or anyone else, and I suggest you don't bother to try. I'd be > delighted to read your perspective/insight on whatever you're > inclined to talk about. > > Phil > > I agree with Phil and am also quite willing to admit that I am not 'Awakened', so that makes at least 2 people willing to admit that. The main reasons I come here Bennett, is to test out ideas that I have and ideas I have heard. I also know that this chase for knowledge that I wilfully participate in, will never get me any closer to being awakened, I do it simply because I find it entertaining, what else would I do with my spare time? I enjoy mental masturbation. The simplest truth I have learnt, is that the simple fact of 'awakendness' is that you already are who you seek, I'll let you know when I eventually decide to stop struggling and realise that for myself. tyga Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
