Guest guest Report post Posted December 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: .... > (this might be how it appears...from your point of view...) > > if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... > including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, > and fixed on one or many things... > you will see that duality was just a way to ignore this... > ...iietsa And nonduality an arena for hyperactive restless types. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " > > <hsin_shang@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is > > by > > > > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two > > different > > > and > > > > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > > > > > aspirant) > > > > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all > > > this > > > > > is > > > > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > > > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant > > > can > > > > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to > > > happen > > > > > the > > > > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says > > I > > > AM > > > > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > > > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you > > > and > > > > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to > > > be " I > > > > > AM > > > > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When your attention is not fixed on things...you are " I AM > > THAT " > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose attention? > > > > > > > > " I AM THAT " is hopelessly tied up with and fixed on 'things'.. > > > > > > > > one or many. > > > > > > > > what utter nonsense this is! > > > > > > > > don't suffer silly crap and all is well. > > > > > > > > put a little lemon on the fish. > > > > > > > > eat. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > Gawd,I am so hungry, > > > But the fish caught and ate me instead. > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > in the body there is a feeling that is labeled " hungry " ... > > this feeling appears and disappear, from time to time... > > but you, you are there when it comes and when it leaves... > > ...iietsa > > > > > > ok..wait a second.. > > what the hell are you trying to communicate here? > > whatever nonsense it must be..you are failing to communicate anything. > > do you just like to hear yourself talk? > > christ that must be boring as hell! > > .b b.b. > Whatever it was he was communicating it was worth a reply...hey? It must have been the level you're comfortable with, you couldn't resist, did you not...DonkMonk? It must be so boring in your fishbowl. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > ... > > > (this might be how it appears...from your point of view...) > > > > if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... > > including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, > > and fixed on one or many things... > > you will see that duality was just a way to ignore this... > > ...iietsa > > And nonduality an arena for hyperactive restless types. > Welcome, join the club... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " > > > <hsin_shang@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous > now is > > > by > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two > > > different > > > > and > > > > > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I > (the > > > > > > aspirant) > > > > > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, > all > > > > this > > > > > > is > > > > > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self > is > > > > > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor > aspirant > > > > can > > > > > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this > to > > > > happen > > > > > > the > > > > > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self > Says > > > I > > > > AM > > > > > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA > YOU > > > > > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, > you > > > > and > > > > > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self > to > > > > be " I > > > > > > AM > > > > > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When your attention is not fixed on things...you are " I AM > > > THAT " > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose attention? > > > > > > > > > > " I AM THAT " is hopelessly tied up with and fixed > on 'things'.. > > > > > > > > > > one or many. > > > > > > > > > > what utter nonsense this is! > > > > > > > > > > don't suffer silly crap and all is well. > > > > > > > > > > put a little lemon on the fish. > > > > > > > > > > eat. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > Gawd,I am so hungry, > > > > But the fish caught and ate me instead. > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the body there is a feeling that is labeled " hungry " ... > > > this feeling appears and disappear, from time to time... > > > but you, you are there when it comes and when it leaves... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > ok..wait a second.. > > > > what the hell are you trying to communicate here? > > > > whatever nonsense it must be..you are failing to communicate > anything. > > > > do you just like to hear yourself talk? > > > > christ that must be boring as hell! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Whatever it was he was communicating it was worth a reply...hey? It > must have been the level you're comfortable with, you couldn't > resist, did you not...DonkMonk? > > It must be so boring in your fishbowl. you seem preoccupied looking at that fishbowl. it obviously doesn't take much to amuse you. could be because you yourself are boring. and stupid..and a loser...and friendless...and weirdly nerdy too. for you the saying is true: life's a bitch, then you die.. then everyone and everything is better off without you around. such a sap! ROFLMAO! bye ~sky............harghhhhhhh har ha haaaaaaaa haahaa!!! your Master, ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > (this might be how it appears...from your point of view...) > > > > > > if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... > > > including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, > > > and fixed on one or many things... > > > you will see that duality was just a way to ignore this... > > > ...iietsa > > > > And nonduality an arena for hyperactive restless types. > > > > Welcome, join the club... no one would want to be a member of a club that you are in. keep your dumb welcomes to yourself asshole. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > (this might be how it appears...from your point of view...) > > > > > > > > if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... > > > > including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, > > > > and fixed on one or many things... > > > > you will see that duality was just a way to ignore this... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > And nonduality an arena for hyperactive restless types. > > > > > > > Welcome, join the club... > > > > no one would want to be a member of a club that you are in. > > keep your dumb welcomes to yourself asshole. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > Did you feel left out Donkey with Monkey Mind? Well...welcome to the club DonkMonk, altough its hard to lift yourself from your fishbowl, isn't it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " > > > > <hsin_shang@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous > > now is > > > > by > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two > > > > different > > > > > and > > > > > > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I > > (the > > > > > > > aspirant) > > > > > > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, > > all > > > > > this > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self > > is > > > > > > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor > > aspirant > > > > > can > > > > > > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this > > to > > > > > happen > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self > > Says > > > > I > > > > > AM > > > > > > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA > > YOU > > > > > > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, > > you > > > > > and > > > > > > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self > > to > > > > > be " I > > > > > > > AM > > > > > > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When your attention is not fixed on things...you are " I AM > > > > THAT " > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose attention? > > > > > > > > > > > > " I AM THAT " is hopelessly tied up with and fixed > > on 'things'.. > > > > > > > > > > > > one or many. > > > > > > > > > > > > what utter nonsense this is! > > > > > > > > > > > > don't suffer silly crap and all is well. > > > > > > > > > > > > put a little lemon on the fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > eat. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > Gawd,I am so hungry, > > > > > But the fish caught and ate me instead. > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the body there is a feeling that is labeled " hungry " ... > > > > this feeling appears and disappear, from time to time... > > > > but you, you are there when it comes and when it leaves... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok..wait a second.. > > > > > > what the hell are you trying to communicate here? > > > > > > whatever nonsense it must be..you are failing to communicate > > anything. > > > > > > do you just like to hear yourself talk? > > > > > > christ that must be boring as hell! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > Whatever it was he was communicating it was worth a reply...hey? It > > must have been the level you're comfortable with, you couldn't > > resist, did you not...DonkMonk? > > > > It must be so boring in your fishbowl. > > > you seem preoccupied looking at that fishbowl. > > it obviously doesn't take much to amuse you. > > could be because you yourself are boring. > > and stupid..and a loser...and friendless...and weirdly nerdy too. > > for you the saying is true: > > life's a bitch, then you die.. > > then everyone and everything is better off without you around. > > such a sap! > > ROFLMAO! > > bye ~sky............harghhhhhhh har ha haaaaaaaa haahaa!!! > > your Master, > > .b b.b. > ''harghhhhhhh har ha haaaaaaaa haahaa!!!'', -Growled the Donkey, whilst trying to escape his fishbowl. ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > (this might be how it appears...from your point of view...) > > > > > > > > > > if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... > > > > > including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, > > > > > and fixed on one or many things... > > > > > you will see that duality was just a way to ignore this... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > And nonduality an arena for hyperactive restless types. > > > > > > > > > > Welcome, join the club... > > > > > > > > no one would want to be a member of a club that you are in. > > > > keep your dumb welcomes to yourself asshole. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Did you feel left out Donkey with Monkey Mind? > > Well...welcome to the club DonkMonk, altough its hard to lift > yourself from your fishbowl, isn't it? jesus you're stupid. " keep your dumb welcomes to yourself asshole " ... hardly sounds 'left out'. what gives with you skyzie? i know you need me..but shit kid..make some sense. now go clean up.. you're all wet in the pants again because of baba. clean up your act you little filthy animal. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " > > > > > <hsin_shang@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous > > > now is > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two > > > > > different > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I > > > (the > > > > > > > > aspirant) > > > > > > > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is > experienced, > > > all > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True > Self > > > is > > > > > > > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor > > > aspirant > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For > this > > > to > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True > Self > > > Says > > > > > I > > > > > > AM > > > > > > > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND > PHENOMENA > > > YOU > > > > > > > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no > reality, > > > you > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True > Self > > > to > > > > > > be " I > > > > > > > > AM > > > > > > > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the > aspirant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When your attention is not fixed on things...you are " I > AM > > > > > THAT " > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose attention? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I AM THAT " is hopelessly tied up with and fixed > > > on 'things'.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one or many. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what utter nonsense this is! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't suffer silly crap and all is well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put a little lemon on the fish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gawd,I am so hungry, > > > > > > But the fish caught and ate me instead. > > > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the body there is a feeling that is labeled " hungry " ... > > > > > this feeling appears and disappear, from time to time... > > > > > but you, you are there when it comes and when it leaves... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok..wait a second.. > > > > > > > > what the hell are you trying to communicate here? > > > > > > > > whatever nonsense it must be..you are failing to communicate > > > anything. > > > > > > > > do you just like to hear yourself talk? > > > > > > > > christ that must be boring as hell! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > Whatever it was he was communicating it was worth a reply...hey? > It > > > must have been the level you're comfortable with, you couldn't > > > resist, did you not...DonkMonk? > > > > > > It must be so boring in your fishbowl. > > > > > > you seem preoccupied looking at that fishbowl. > > > > it obviously doesn't take much to amuse you. > > > > could be because you yourself are boring. > > > > and stupid..and a loser...and friendless...and weirdly nerdy too. > > > > for you the saying is true: > > > > life's a bitch, then you die.. > > > > then everyone and everything is better off without you around. > > > > such a sap! > > > > ROFLMAO! > > > > bye ~sky............harghhhhhhh har ha haaaaaaaa haahaa!!! > > > > your Master, > > > > .b b.b. > > > > ''harghhhhhhh har ha haaaaaaaa haahaa!!!'', > > -Growled the Donkey, whilst trying to escape his fishbowl. > > ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) donkeys " growl " ??????? exactly what planet are you residing on? and only fish-brains see fishbowls everywhere...all the time. this explains your puffy fish lips too mr.amory. those lips go with your 'brain' type. ok mr. fishy..now we finally get you. ROFLMAO! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is > > by > > > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different > > and > > > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > > > > aspirant) > > > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all > > this > > > > is > > > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant > > can > > > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to > > happen > > > > the > > > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I > > AM > > > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you > > and > > > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to > > be " I > > > > AM > > > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > > > > > When your attention is not fixed on things...you are " I AM THAT " > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose attention? > > > > > > " I AM THAT " is hopelessly tied up with and fixed on 'things'.. > > > > > > one or many. > > > > > > what utter nonsense this is! > > > > > > don't suffer silly crap and all is well. > > > > > > put a little lemon on the fish. > > > > > > eat. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > (this might be how it appears...from your point of view...) > > > > if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... > > including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, > > and fixed on one or many things... > > you will see that duality was just a way to ignore this... > > ...iietsa you're really way out there. > > truly lost. > > if i was capable of feeling pity i would in your case. > > but i really can't feel anything so i'll just laugh at you instead. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > go ahead and identify yourself with one laugh, or many... I am not concerned... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " > > <hsin_shang@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is > > by > > > > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two > > different > > > and > > > > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > > > > > aspirant) > > > > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all > > > this > > > > > is > > > > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > > > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant > > > can > > > > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to > > > happen > > > > > the > > > > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says > > I > > > AM > > > > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > > > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you > > > and > > > > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to > > > be " I > > > > > AM > > > > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When your attention is not fixed on things...you are " I AM > > THAT " > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose attention? > > > > > > > > " I AM THAT " is hopelessly tied up with and fixed on 'things'.. > > > > > > > > one or many. > > > > > > > > what utter nonsense this is! > > > > > > > > don't suffer silly crap and all is well. > > > > > > > > put a little lemon on the fish. > > > > > > > > eat. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > Gawd,I am so hungry, > > > But the fish caught and ate me instead. > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > in the body there is a feeling that is labeled " hungry " ... > > this feeling appears and disappear, from time to time... > > but you, you are there when it comes and when it leaves... > > ...iietsa > > > > > > ok..wait a second.. > > what the hell are you trying to communicate here? > > whatever nonsense it must be..you are failing to communicate anything. > > do you just like to hear yourself talk? > > christ that must be boring as hell! > > .b b.b. > what you label " boring as hell " is seen with an dirty eye... clean the eye and you will not see anything boring as hell... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > ... > > > (this might be how it appears...from your point of view...) > > > > if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... > > including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, > > and fixed on one or many things... > > you will see that duality was just a way to ignore this... > > ...iietsa > > And nonduality an arena for hyperactive restless types. > this is only one of many ideas of the thing called nonduality... ....dont hold on to it any more than to a bag of garbage... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " > <hsin_shang@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now > is > > > by > > > > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two > different > > > and > > > > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > > > > > aspirant) > > > > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, > all > > > this > > > > > is > > > > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self > is > > > > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor > aspirant > > > can > > > > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to > > > happen > > > > > the > > > > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self > Says I > > > AM > > > > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA > YOU > > > > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, > you > > > and > > > > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self > to > > > be " I > > > > > AM > > > > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When your attention is not fixed on things...you are " I AM > THAT " > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose attention? > > > > > > > > " I AM THAT " is hopelessly tied up with and fixed on 'things'.. > > > > > > > > one or many. > > > > > > > > what utter nonsense this is! > > > > > > > > don't suffer silly crap and all is well. > > > > > > > > put a little lemon on the fish. > > > > > > > > eat. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > (this might be how it appears...from your point of view...) > > > > > > if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... > > > including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, > > > and fixed on one or many things... > > > you will see that duality was just a way to ignore this... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you're really way out there. > > > > truly lost. > > > > if i was capable of feeling pity i would in your case. > > > > but i really can't feel anything so i'll just laugh at you instead. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > go ahead and identify yourself with one laugh, or many... > I am not concerned... > ...iietsa oh i see. that's why you responded. that is laughable..excuse me but it is son. do you always get so involved with what doesn't concern you? damn it must be somethin'... to see you get excited over that which does concern you! LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > > > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " > > > <hsin_shang@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous > now is > > > by > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two > > > different > > > > and > > > > > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I > (the > > > > > > aspirant) > > > > > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, > all > > > > this > > > > > > is > > > > > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self > is > > > > > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor > aspirant > > > > can > > > > > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this > to > > > > happen > > > > > > the > > > > > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self > Says > > > I > > > > AM > > > > > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA > YOU > > > > > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, > you > > > > and > > > > > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self > to > > > > be " I > > > > > > AM > > > > > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When your attention is not fixed on things...you are " I AM > > > THAT " > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose attention? > > > > > > > > > > " I AM THAT " is hopelessly tied up with and fixed > on 'things'.. > > > > > > > > > > one or many. > > > > > > > > > > what utter nonsense this is! > > > > > > > > > > don't suffer silly crap and all is well. > > > > > > > > > > put a little lemon on the fish. > > > > > > > > > > eat. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > Gawd,I am so hungry, > > > > But the fish caught and ate me instead. > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the body there is a feeling that is labeled " hungry " ... > > > this feeling appears and disappear, from time to time... > > > but you, you are there when it comes and when it leaves... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > ok..wait a second.. > > > > what the hell are you trying to communicate here? > > > > whatever nonsense it must be..you are failing to communicate > anything. > > > > do you just like to hear yourself talk? > > > > christ that must be boring as hell! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > what you label " boring as hell " is seen with an dirty eye... > clean the eye and you will not see anything boring as hell... > ...iietsa okey dokey.. cleaning eye.. looking again.. nope... still boring. must not be the perceiver but what is perceived that's boring. and that would be you iietsa poo. but say! you could use a cleaning up yourself. there you go again with that phony bullshit of yours. wash up kid. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > (this might be how it appears...from your point of view...) > > > > > > if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... > > > including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, > > > and fixed on one or many things... > > > you will see that duality was just a way to ignore this... > > > ...iietsa > > > > And nonduality an arena for hyperactive restless types. > > > > this is only one of many ideas of the thing called nonduality... > ...dont hold on to it any more than to a bag of garbage... > ...iietsa what garbage! :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > (this might be how it appears...from your point of view...) > > > > > > > > if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... > > > > including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, > > > > and fixed on one or many things... > > > > you will see that duality was just a way to ignore this... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > And nonduality an arena for hyperactive restless types. > > > > > > > this is only one of many ideas of the thing called nonduality... > > ...dont hold on to it any more than to a bag of garbage... > > ...iietsa what garbage! > > :-) > > .b b.b. > why ask a me... when you are like a storehouse for it yourself... like the one that things are boring as hell... or that there is dumb assholes around... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > (this might be how it appears...from your point of view...) > > > > > > > > > > if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... > > > > > including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, > > > > > and fixed on one or many things... > > > > > you will see that duality was just a way to ignore this... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > And nonduality an arena for hyperactive restless types. > > > > > > > > > > this is only one of many ideas of the thing called nonduality... > > > ...dont hold on to it any more than to a bag of garbage... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what garbage! > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > why ask a me... > when you are like a storehouse for it yourself... > like the one that things are boring as hell... > or that there is dumb assholes around... > ...iietsa i didn't ask you anything. did you see a question mark? i made the statement: what you had previously said was garbage.. a full bag of it as usual. read more carefully you dumb asshole. maybe you'll begin to understand what's being said. you'll never understand what's going on. that's obvious by now. but slow down and at least try and hear... something besides what's in your own dumb head. you'll never learn anything this way dumbo. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > (this might be how it appears...from your point of view...) > > > > > > > > > > > > if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... > > > > > > including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, > > > > > > and fixed on one or many things... > > > > > > you will see that duality was just a way to ignore this... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > And nonduality an arena for hyperactive restless types. > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is only one of many ideas of the thing called nonduality... > > > > ...dont hold on to it any more than to a bag of garbage... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what garbage! > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > why ask a me... > > when you are like a storehouse for it yourself... > > like the one that things are boring as hell... > > or that there is dumb assholes around... > > ...iietsa i didn't ask you anything. > > did you see a question mark? > > i made the statement: what you had previously said was garbage.. > > a full bag of it as usual. > > read more carefully you dumb asshole. > > maybe you'll begin to understand what's being said. > > you'll never understand what's going on. > > that's obvious by now. > > but slow down and at least try and hear... > > something besides what's in your own dumb head. > > you'll never learn anything this way dumbo. > > .b b.b. > I can see how you can easely mix up a dumb asshole with a dumb head in your own case... just listen to yourself, and what is coming out of your head and you will see what I am pointing at...exactly...it appears as an asshole... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 22, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > (this might be how it appears...from your point of > view...) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... > > > > > > > including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, > > > > > > > and fixed on one or many things... > > > > > > > you will see that duality was just a way to ignore > this... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > And nonduality an arena for hyperactive restless types. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is only one of many ideas of the thing called > nonduality... > > > > > ...dont hold on to it any more than to a bag of garbage... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what garbage! > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask a me... > > > when you are like a storehouse for it yourself... > > > like the one that things are boring as hell... > > > or that there is dumb assholes around... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i didn't ask you anything. > > > > did you see a question mark? > > > > i made the statement: what you had previously said was garbage.. > > > > a full bag of it as usual. > > > > read more carefully you dumb asshole. > > > > maybe you'll begin to understand what's being said. > > > > you'll never understand what's going on. > > > > that's obvious by now. > > > > but slow down and at least try and hear... > > > > something besides what's in your own dumb head. > > > > you'll never learn anything this way dumbo. > > > > .b b.b. > > > I can see how you can easely mix up a dumb asshole with a dumb head > in your own case... > just listen to yourself, and what is coming out of your head and you > will see what I am pointing at...exactly...it appears as an > asshole... > ...iietsa no no..you are the dumb asshole. reading comprehension skills are badly needed on your part. you should be learning this in the elementary school you attend. i'm writing your teacher and your parents. this non-learning behavior on your part is unacceptable. i would feel sorry for you, but damn you're great for laughs. keep coming back with proof that you are just stupid. if your brains were dynamite you couldn't blow up a paper bag. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > (this might be how it appears...from your point of view...) > > > > > > > > if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... > > > > including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, > > > > and fixed on one or many things... > > > > you will see that duality was just a way to ignore this... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > And nonduality an arena for hyperactive restless types. > > > > > > > this is only one of many ideas of the thing called nonduality... > > ...dont hold on to it any more than to a bag of garbage... > > ...iietsa what garbage! > > :-) > > .b b.b. > Cabbage Donkey, he's feeding you cabbage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > (this might be how it appears...from your point of view...) > > > > > > > > > > if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... > > > > > including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, > > > > > and fixed on one or many things... > > > > > you will see that duality was just a way to ignore this... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > And nonduality an arena for hyperactive restless types. > > > > > > > > > > this is only one of many ideas of the thing called nonduality... > > > ...dont hold on to it any more than to a bag of garbage... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what garbage! > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Cabbage Donkey, he's feeding you cabbage. another dumb response from the peanut gallery. the friendless begging bum kid in the back. little ~mstrdmmlbrn skygirl spitting bitter, jealous, epithets. so typically funny to watch! ROFLMAO! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > ... > > > (this might be how it appears...from your point of view...) > > > > if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... > > including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, > > and fixed on one or many things... > > you will see that duality was just a way to ignore this... > > ...iietsa > > And nonduality an arena for hyperactive restless types. LOL nonduality is like a black hole for some.... they imagine to leave all of their spiritual/intellectual garbage into/within such black hole.... they don't know that there is no such black hole...and even no identity who could/should leave anything there....or wherever....whenever Marc Ps: another spiritual movement will be born..... titled.... " I AM THAT garbage " .... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > (this might be how it appears...from your point of view...) > > > > > > if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... > > > including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, > > > and fixed on one or many things... > > > you will see that duality was just a way to ignore this... > > > ...iietsa > > > > And nonduality an arena for hyperactive restless types. > > > LOL > > nonduality is like a black hole for some.... > > they imagine to leave all of their spiritual/intellectual garbage > into/within such black hole.... > > they don't know that there is no such black hole...and even no > identity who could/should leave anything there....or > wherever....whenever > > Marc > > > Ps: another spiritual movement will be born..... > > titled.... " I AM THAT garbage " .... > > > label it as you like... but why take those labels for real and get lost in them... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > (this might be how it appears...from your point of view...) > > > > > > > > if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... > > > > including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, > > > > and fixed on one or many things... > > > > you will see that duality was just a way to ignore this... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > And nonduality an arena for hyperactive restless types. > > > > > > LOL > > > > nonduality is like a black hole for some.... > > > > they imagine to leave all of their spiritual/intellectual garbage > > into/within such black hole.... > > > > they don't know that there is no such black hole...and even no > > identity who could/should leave anything there....or > > wherever....whenever > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: another spiritual movement will be born..... > > > > titled.... " I AM THAT garbage " .... > > > > > > > > label it as you like... > but why take those labels for real and get lost in them... > ...iietsa the only one in danger of getting lost in 'labels' et al... is the one who constantly shouts " beware of taking labels for real " .. it's obviously that he is justifiably worried.. the " iietsas " of the world get lost so easily. LOL! ..b b.b.b Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 23, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > (this might be how it appears...from your point of view...) > > > > > > > > > > if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... > > > > > including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, > > > > > and fixed on one or many things... > > > > > you will see that duality was just a way to ignore this... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > And nonduality an arena for hyperactive restless types. > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > nonduality is like a black hole for some.... > > > > > > they imagine to leave all of their spiritual/intellectual garbage > > > into/within such black hole.... > > > > > > they don't know that there is no such black hole...and even no > > > identity who could/should leave anything there....or > > > wherever....whenever > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: another spiritual movement will be born..... > > > > > > titled.... " I AM THAT garbage " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > label it as you like... > > but why take those labels for real and get lost in them... > > ...iietsa > > > the only one in danger of getting lost in 'labels' et al... > > is the one who constantly shouts " beware of taking labels for real " .. > > it's obviously that he is justifiably worried.. > > the " iietsas " of the world get lost so easily. > > LOL! > > .b b.b.b Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
