Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2007 There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. I was reading both and I came to think: The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different and opposing positions. The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the aspirant) am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all this is I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant can actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to happen the aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I AM THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you and your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to be " I AM THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. hsin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang wrote: > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different and > opposing positions. > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the aspirant) > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all this is > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant can > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to happen the > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I AM > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you and > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to be " I AM > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > hsin there is neither a " minority " nor a " majority " existing...... except in a little thinking mind..... lost in time & space.... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang wrote: > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different and > opposing positions. > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the aspirant) > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all this is > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant can > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to happen the > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I AM > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you and > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to be " I AM > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > hsin > There is a third possibility.....if we undersrand THAT as BRAHMAN, SO...I am Brahman or I am God. Yarden Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " yarden12000 " <garden1 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > wrote: > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different and > > opposing positions. > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > aspirant) > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all this > is > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant can > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to happen > the > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I AM > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you and > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to be " I > AM > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > hsin > > > > There is a third possibility.....if we undersrand THAT as BRAHMAN, > SO...I am Brahman or I am God. > > Yarden it seem that there are many many ways to see It God is necessary to " see " Brahman.... Brahman allow to find God.... here & now... where else?... what else? Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " yarden12000 " <garden1 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > wrote: > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different and > > opposing positions. > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > aspirant) > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all this > is > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant can > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to happen > the > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I AM > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you and > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to be " I > AM > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > hsin > > > > There is a third possibility.....if we undersrand THAT as BRAHMAN, > SO...I am Brahman or I am God. > > Yarden in order to succeed.. 'you' must have more imagination and ambition than that. don't limit the possibilities. lose the middleman....no matter how profound the name or notion. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " yarden12000 " <garden1@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > > wrote: > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different and > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > > aspirant) > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all this > > is > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant can > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to happen > > the > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I AM > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you and > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to be " I > > AM > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > There is a third possibility.....if we undersrand THAT as BRAHMAN, > > SO...I am Brahman or I am God. > > > > Yarden > > > > > in order to succeed.. > > 'you' must have more imagination and ambition than that. > > don't limit the possibilities. > > lose the middleman....no matter how profound the name or notion. > > .b b.b. yes....that's the only possibility in order to succeed! Marc Ps: if not, a great Fishing & Satsang could/would help to fall asleep nicely......lol > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " yarden12000 " <garden1@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by > > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different > and > > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > > > aspirant) > > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all > this > > > is > > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant > can > > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to > happen > > > the > > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I > AM > > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you > and > > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to > be " I > > > AM > > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > > There is a third possibility.....if we undersrand THAT as BRAHMAN, > > > SO...I am Brahman or I am God. > > > > > > Yarden > > > > > > > > > > in order to succeed.. > > > > 'you' must have more imagination and ambition than that. > > > > don't limit the possibilities. > > > > lose the middleman....no matter how profound the name or notion. > > > > .b b.b. > > > yes....that's the only possibility in order to succeed! > > > > Marc > > Ps: if not, a great Fishing & Satsang could/would help to fall asleep > nicely......lol sorry, should be Fishing & Friends Satsang what else?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > wrote: > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different and > > opposing positions. > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > aspirant) > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all this > is > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant can > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to happen > the > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I AM > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you and > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to be " I > AM > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > hsin > > > there is neither a " minority " nor a " majority " existing...... > > except in a little thinking mind..... > > lost in time & space.... > > > > Marc > BOYS! You can't KNOW " I AM THAT " unless you KNOW I AM (THIS)!! First things first. :-D xoxoxoxo, Anna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " yarden12000 " <garden1@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > > wrote: > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different and > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > > aspirant) > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all this > > is > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant can > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to happen > > the > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I AM > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you and > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to be " I > > AM > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > There is a third possibility.....if we undersrand THAT as BRAHMAN, > > SO...I am Brahman or I am God. > > > > Yarden > > > > > in order to succeed.. > > 'you' must have more imagination and ambition than that. > > don't limit the possibilities. > > lose the middleman....no matter how profound the name or notion. > > .b b.b. > is it possible to be beyond I AM THAT, which is still a beingness ??? yarden Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2007 Nisargadatta , " yarden12000 " <garden1 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " yarden12000 " <garden1@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by > > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different > and > > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > > > aspirant) > > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all > this > > > is > > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant > can > > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to > happen > > > the > > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I > AM > > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you > and > > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to > be " I > > > AM > > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > > There is a third possibility.....if we undersrand THAT as BRAHMAN, > > > SO...I am Brahman or I am God. > > > > > > Yarden > > > > > > > > > > in order to succeed.. > > > > 'you' must have more imagination and ambition than that. > > > > don't limit the possibilities. > > > > lose the middleman....no matter how profound the name or notion. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > is it possible to be beyond I AM THAT, which is still a beingness ??? > > yarden oh way beyond AND before..... that even. the only impossibility is no possibility. Being is but the Beginning. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " yarden12000 " <garden1@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " yarden12000 " <garden1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by > > > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different > > and > > > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > > > > aspirant) > > > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all > > this > > > > is > > > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant > > can > > > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to > > happen > > > > the > > > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I > > AM > > > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you > > and > > > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to > > be " I > > > > AM > > > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a third possibility.....if we undersrand THAT as BRAHMAN, > > > > SO...I am Brahman or I am God. > > > > > > > > Yarden > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in order to succeed.. > > > > > > 'you' must have more imagination and ambition than that. > > > > > > don't limit the possibilities. > > > > > > lose the middleman....no matter how profound the name or notion. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > is it possible to be beyond I AM THAT, which is still a beingness ??? > > > > yarden oh way beyond AND before..... that even. > > the only impossibility is no possibility. > > Being is but the Beginning. > > > .b b.b. > No " there is no beginning " ...for a change? Doesn't matter, that's exactly where you are, at the Beginning, so there's hope for the Donkey wanting to become a Monkey! Did you need your fantasy for that, or did you 'gamble' a bit in the Big Book of Cliches? Clippety Clop, Clippety Clop, Clippety Clop... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > > wrote: > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different and > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > > aspirant) > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all this > > is > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant can > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to happen > > the > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I AM > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you and > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to be " I > > AM > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > there is neither a " minority " nor a " majority " existing...... > > > > except in a little thinking mind..... > > > > lost in time & space.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > BOYS! You can't KNOW " I AM THAT " unless you KNOW I AM (THIS)!! > > First things first. > > :-D > > xoxoxoxo, > Anna > sounds right.... as long there isn't awareness of the little thinking ego-mind..... means of ignorance about real Being..... there is no hope to escape the misunderstandings (illusions).... due to a restless mind.....means, world Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " yarden12000 " <garden1@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " yarden12000 " <garden1@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " > <hsin_shang@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now > is by > > > > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two > different > > > and > > > > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > > > > > aspirant) > > > > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, > all > > > this > > > > > is > > > > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self > is > > > > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor > aspirant > > > can > > > > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to > > > happen > > > > > the > > > > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self > Says I > > > AM > > > > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA > YOU > > > > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, > you > > > and > > > > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self > to > > > be " I > > > > > AM > > > > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a third possibility.....if we undersrand THAT as > BRAHMAN, > > > > > SO...I am Brahman or I am God. > > > > > > > > > > Yarden > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in order to succeed.. > > > > > > > > 'you' must have more imagination and ambition than that. > > > > > > > > don't limit the possibilities. > > > > > > > > lose the middleman....no matter how profound the name or > notion. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > is it possible to be beyond I AM THAT, which is still a > beingness ??? > > > > > > yarden > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh way beyond AND before..... that even. > > > > the only impossibility is no possibility. > > > > Being is but the Beginning. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > No " there is no beginning " ...for a change? > > Doesn't matter, that's exactly where you are, at the Beginning, so > there's hope for the Donkey wanting to become a Monkey! > > Did you need your fantasy for that, or did you 'gamble' a bit in the > Big Book of Cliches? > > Clippety Clop, Clippety Clop, Clippety Clop... say what? what the fuck is the little boy trying to say? christ you're stupid son. if you can't make sense shut the fuck up kid. or for your private 'entertainment'.. get a plastic 'charli' doll and dream on you depraved degenerate. ROFLMAO! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang wrote: > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different and > opposing positions. > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the aspirant) > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all this is > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant can > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to happen the > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I AM > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you and > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to be " I AM > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > hsin > I think it is the BIG GUY saying to the asirant: " I AM THAT " " that " being all and everything blessed thing and the words spoken by such a wild and vibrant voice naturally vibrate in the throat of the aspirant and start to break him down. Z Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " tom " <jeusisbuen wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > wrote: > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different and > > opposing positions. > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > aspirant) > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all this > is > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant can > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to happen > the > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I AM > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you and > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to be " I > AM > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > hsin > > > I think it is the BIG GUY > saying to the asirant: > " I AM THAT " > " that " being all and everything blessed thing > and the words > spoken by such a wild and vibrant voice > naturally vibrate in the throat > of the aspirant > and start > to break him down. Z the aspirant aspires to that which it can never attain. at the twinkling of 'time' it is as if it never was. it wasn't. it isn't....... nor will it ever be. there is no division between aspired by and aspired to. as long as either one obtain... " THAT " does not. " THAT " doesn't care. everyday life is the obvious yet invisible pathway. there is nothing before nor anything after. THIS IS IT! that's " THAT " . twelve bar blues turnaround... ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang wrote: > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different and > opposing positions. > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the aspirant) > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all this is > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant can > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to happen the > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I AM > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you and > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to be " I AM > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > hsin > When your attention is not fixed on things...you are " I AM THAT " ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 20, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > wrote: > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different and > > opposing positions. > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > aspirant) > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all this > is > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant can > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to happen > the > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I AM > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you and > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to be " I > AM > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > hsin > > > > When your attention is not fixed on things...you are " I AM THAT " > ...iietsa whose attention? " I AM THAT " is hopelessly tied up with and fixed on 'things'.. one or many. what utter nonsense this is! don't suffer silly crap and all is well. put a little lemon on the fish. eat. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 21, 2007 > > > > > BOYS! You can't KNOW " I AM THAT " unless you KNOW I AM (THIS)!! > > First things first. > > :-D > > xoxoxoxo, > Anna > ... " this " and " that " - is one of them first? Hi! igor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > > wrote: > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different and > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > > aspirant) > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all this > > is > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant can > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to happen > > the > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I AM > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you and > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to be " I > > AM > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > When your attention is not fixed on things...you are " I AM THAT " > > ...iietsa > > > > > > whose attention? > > " I AM THAT " is hopelessly tied up with and fixed on 'things'.. > > one or many. > > what utter nonsense this is! > > don't suffer silly crap and all is well. > > put a little lemon on the fish. > > eat. > > .b b.b. > Gawd,I am so hungry, But the fish caught and ate me instead. Joe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > > wrote: > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different and > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > > aspirant) > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all this > > is > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant can > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to happen > > the > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I AM > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you and > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to be " I > > AM > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > When your attention is not fixed on things...you are " I AM THAT " > > ...iietsa > > > > > > whose attention? > > " I AM THAT " is hopelessly tied up with and fixed on 'things'.. > > one or many. > > what utter nonsense this is! > > don't suffer silly crap and all is well. > > put a little lemon on the fish. > > eat. > > .b b.b. > -No lack... " I AM THAT " is hopelessly tied up with and fixed on 'things'.. " -Did you work THAT out in a day? Of course you did, didn't you? After all, living in a fishbowl should be an 'easy' task for a Donkey who wants to be a Monkey. Did you ask the fish if it likes lemmon? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by > > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different > and > > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > > > aspirant) > > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all > this > > > is > > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant > can > > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to > happen > > > the > > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I > AM > > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you > and > > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to > be " I > > > AM > > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > > When your attention is not fixed on things...you are " I AM THAT " > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > whose attention? > > > > " I AM THAT " is hopelessly tied up with and fixed on 'things'.. > > > > one or many. > > > > what utter nonsense this is! > > > > don't suffer silly crap and all is well. > > > > put a little lemon on the fish. > > > > eat. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > -No lack... > > " I AM THAT " is hopelessly tied up with and fixed on 'things'.. " > > -Did you work THAT out in a day? Of course you did, didn't you? After > all, living in a fishbowl should be an 'easy' task for a Donkey who > wants to be a Monkey. > > Did you ask the fish if it likes lemmon? " lemmon " ?????????? what the fuck is a 'lemmon'? that makes about as much sense as it is funny...NOT. are you continuously stupid........ or do you on occasion show some signs of intelligence? so far that has not been evident from what you scribble. but i bet those scratches on paper amuse you. so now that you've made a mess.. both on the screen and in your pants... go have a nap poopy pants. you stink! ROFLMAO! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > > wrote: > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different and > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > > aspirant) > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all this > > is > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant can > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to happen > > the > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I AM > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you and > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to be " I > > AM > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > When your attention is not fixed on things...you are " I AM THAT " > > ...iietsa > > > > > > whose attention? > > " I AM THAT " is hopelessly tied up with and fixed on 'things'.. > > one or many. > > what utter nonsense this is! > > don't suffer silly crap and all is well. > > put a little lemon on the fish. > > eat. > > .b b.b. > (this might be how it appears...from your point of view...) if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, and fixed on one or many things... you will see that duality was just a way to ignore this... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " <joe.irrelevant wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is by > > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different > and > > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > > > aspirant) > > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all > this > > > is > > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant > can > > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to > happen > > > the > > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I > AM > > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you > and > > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to > be " I > > > AM > > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > > When your attention is not fixed on things...you are " I AM THAT " > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > whose attention? > > > > " I AM THAT " is hopelessly tied up with and fixed on 'things'.. > > > > one or many. > > > > what utter nonsense this is! > > > > don't suffer silly crap and all is well. > > > > put a little lemon on the fish. > > > > eat. > > > > .b b.b. > > > Gawd,I am so hungry, > But the fish caught and ate me instead. > Joe. > in the body there is a feeling that is labeled " hungry " ... this feeling appears and disappear, from time to time... but you, you are there when it comes and when it leaves... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " <hsin_shang@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is > by > > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two different > and > > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > > > aspirant) > > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all > this > > > is > > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant > can > > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to > happen > > > the > > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says I > AM > > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you > and > > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to > be " I > > > AM > > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > > When your attention is not fixed on things...you are " I AM THAT " > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > whose attention? > > > > " I AM THAT " is hopelessly tied up with and fixed on 'things'.. > > > > one or many. > > > > what utter nonsense this is! > > > > don't suffer silly crap and all is well. > > > > put a little lemon on the fish. > > > > eat. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > (this might be how it appears...from your point of view...) > > if you clean the " I AM THAT " ...from all things... > including the idea that you are hopelessly tied up with, > and fixed on one or many things... > you will see that duality was just a way to ignore this... > ...iietsa you're really way out there. truly lost. if i was capable of feeling pity i would in your case. but i really can't feel anything so i'll just laugh at you instead. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 21, 2007 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " joe.irrelevant " > <joe.irrelevant@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " hsin_shang " > <hsin_shang@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There are many books about I AM THAT. The most famous now is > by > > > > > Nisargadatta Mahraj, there is another one by Rajneesh. > > > > > > > > > > I was reading both and I came to think: > > > > > > > > > > The statment I AM THAT, could be understood from two > different > > and > > > > > opposing positions. > > > > > > > > > > The first -adopted by the majority of aspirants- is I (the > > > > aspirant) > > > > > am all that,I (the aspirant) am all what is experienced, all > > this > > > > is > > > > > I. Here " I " refers to my " I " , the aspirant's " I " . > > > > > > > > > > The second -adopted by a minority- is that The True Self is > > > > > describig ItSelf to the aspirant; so that this poor aspirant > > can > > > > > actualize the True Self in his everyday life. For this to > > happen > > > > the > > > > > aspirant's " I " has to be nothing, becuse the True Self Says > I > > AM > > > > > THAT meaning I AM ALL THESE MANIFESTATIONS AND PHENOMENA YOU > > > > > EXPERIENCE. You and your poor creations have no reality, you > > and > > > > > your petty creations have to evaporate for the True Self to > > be " I > > > > AM > > > > > THAT " actualized in the everyday life of the aspirant. > > > > > > > > > > hsin > > > > > > > > > > > > > When your attention is not fixed on things...you are " I AM > THAT " > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose attention? > > > > > > " I AM THAT " is hopelessly tied up with and fixed on 'things'.. > > > > > > one or many. > > > > > > what utter nonsense this is! > > > > > > don't suffer silly crap and all is well. > > > > > > put a little lemon on the fish. > > > > > > eat. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > Gawd,I am so hungry, > > But the fish caught and ate me instead. > > Joe. > > > > > in the body there is a feeling that is labeled " hungry " ... > this feeling appears and disappear, from time to time... > but you, you are there when it comes and when it leaves... > ...iietsa ok..wait a second.. what the hell are you trying to communicate here? whatever nonsense it must be..you are failing to communicate anything. do you just like to hear yourself talk? christ that must be boring as hell! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
