Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > > > No one can grow beyond their self. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > there is no such thing as 'self'. > > > > the fallacy is to believe that 'you' refers to a 'self'. > > > > it does not. > > > > but it's that 'ego' thing of 'yours' that cannot see this. > > > > we would take measures from this point to be careful to not disturb > > > > 'your' delusions. > > > > they seem to 'become' that 'you' that seems so in need of 'your' > > > > defenses. > > > > there there now..it's ok if you are more comfortable with ignorance. > > > > many are. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > And some are not? > > > toombaru when not some of the some, there is neither comfort nor discomfort. are 'you' comfortable with this? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > No one can grow beyond their self. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > there is no such thing as 'self'. > > > > > > the fallacy is to believe that 'you' refers to a 'self'. > > > > > > it does not. > > > > > > but it's that 'ego' thing of 'yours' that cannot see this. > > > > > > we would take measures from this point to be careful to not disturb > > > > > > 'your' delusions. > > > > > > they seem to 'become' that 'you' that seems so in need of 'your' > > > > > > defenses. > > > > > > there there now..it's ok if you are more comfortable with ignorance. > > > > > > many are. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > And some are not? > > > > > > toombaru > > > when not some of the some, > > there is neither comfort nor discomfort. > > are 'you' comfortable with this? > > .b b.b. > I am is the discomfort. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > No one can grow beyond their self. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > there is no such thing as 'self'. > > > > > > the fallacy is to believe that 'you' refers to a 'self'. > > > > > > it does not. > > > > > > but it's that 'ego' thing of 'yours' that cannot see this. > > > > > > we would take measures from this point to be careful to not disturb > > > > > > 'your' delusions. > > > > > > they seem to 'become' that 'you' that seems so in need of 'your' > > > > > > defenses. > > > > > > there there now..it's ok if you are more comfortable with ignorance. > > > > > > many are. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > There is something within the sense of self that is different than the > ignorance? > > > toombaru there is no such 'something'. 'self' has no within. it's too shallow and empty for that. 'you' can not 'sense' this. this is before and after and without reference to differences. Here neither ignorance nor knowledge interfere or delimit. those are but 'problems' of shadowy thoughts..that have no dominion. 'some' seem lost in that shadowland. and like 'yourself' must inquire. you are not other than your constant questioning. We are pleased to answer all calls for help and knowledge. again..some are yet not ready. the ripening will occur. We assure 'you' this. and then...all questions of 'sameness', 'difference', 'self', and 'sense', will be no more... as they always have been. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one can grow beyond their self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no such thing as 'self'. > > > > > > > > the fallacy is to believe that 'you' refers to a 'self'. > > > > > > > > it does not. > > > > > > > > but it's that 'ego' thing of 'yours' that cannot see this. > > > > > > > > we would take measures from this point to be careful to not disturb > > > > > > > > 'your' delusions. > > > > > > > > they seem to 'become' that 'you' that seems so in need of 'your' > > > > > > > > defenses. > > > > > > > > there there now..it's ok if you are more comfortable with ignorance. > > > > > > > > many are. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is something within the sense of self that is different than the > > ignorance? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > there is no such 'something'. > > 'self' has no within. > > it's too shallow and empty for that. > > 'you' can not 'sense' this. > > this is before and after and without reference to differences. > > Here neither ignorance nor knowledge interfere or delimit. > > those are but 'problems' of shadowy thoughts..that have no dominion. > > 'some' seem lost in that shadowland. > > and like 'yourself' must inquire. > > you are not other than your constant questioning. > > We are pleased to answer all calls for help and knowledge. > > again..some are yet not ready. > > the ripening will occur. > > We assure 'you' this. > > and then...all questions of 'sameness', 'difference', 'self', and > > 'sense', will be no more... > > as they always have been. > > > .b b.b. > The ripening of a group of ideas? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one can grow beyond their self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no such thing as 'self'. > > > > > > > > the fallacy is to believe that 'you' refers to a 'self'. > > > > > > > > it does not. > > > > > > > > but it's that 'ego' thing of 'yours' that cannot see this. > > > > > > > > we would take measures from this point to be careful to not disturb > > > > > > > > 'your' delusions. > > > > > > > > they seem to 'become' that 'you' that seems so in need of 'your' > > > > > > > > defenses. > > > > > > > > there there now..it's ok if you are more comfortable with ignorance. > > > > > > > > many are. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > And some are not? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > when not some of the some, > > > > there is neither comfort nor discomfort. > > > > are 'you' comfortable with this? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > I am is the discomfort. > > > toombaru Here there is neither comfort nor discomfort. didn't 'i' just say that? what is this " I am' business that 'you' refer too? neither 'being' nor 'non-being' are pertinent. but then..you are there..the 'Here' is here. We welcome 'you' whenever you are ready. ready to lose that lost 'self'. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one can grow beyond their self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no such thing as 'self'. > > > > > > > > > > the fallacy is to believe that 'you' refers to a 'self'. > > > > > > > > > > it does not. > > > > > > > > > > but it's that 'ego' thing of 'yours' that cannot see this. > > > > > > > > > > we would take measures from this point to be careful to not > disturb > > > > > > > > > > 'your' delusions. > > > > > > > > > > they seem to 'become' that 'you' that seems so in need of 'your' > > > > > > > > > > defenses. > > > > > > > > > > there there now..it's ok if you are more comfortable with > ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > many are. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And some are not? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > when not some of the some, > > > > > > there is neither comfort nor discomfort. > > > > > > are 'you' comfortable with this? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > I am is the discomfort. > > > > > > toombaru > > > Here there is neither comfort nor discomfort. > > didn't 'i' just say that? > > what is this " I am' business that 'you' refer too? > > neither 'being' nor 'non-being' are pertinent. > > but then..you are there..the 'Here' is here. > > We welcome 'you' whenever you are ready. > > ready to lose that lost 'self'. > > > .b b.b. > We? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one can grow beyond their self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no such thing as 'self'. > > > > > > > > > > the fallacy is to believe that 'you' refers to a 'self'. > > > > > > > > > > it does not. > > > > > > > > > > but it's that 'ego' thing of 'yours' that cannot see this. > > > > > > > > > > we would take measures from this point to be careful to not > disturb > > > > > > > > > > 'your' delusions. > > > > > > > > > > they seem to 'become' that 'you' that seems so in need of 'your' > > > > > > > > > > defenses. > > > > > > > > > > there there now..it's ok if you are more comfortable with > ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > many are. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is something within the sense of self that is different than the > > > ignorance? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no such 'something'. > > > > 'self' has no within. > > > > it's too shallow and empty for that. > > > > 'you' can not 'sense' this. > > > > this is before and after and without reference to differences. > > > > Here neither ignorance nor knowledge interfere or delimit. > > > > those are but 'problems' of shadowy thoughts..that have no dominion. > > > > 'some' seem lost in that shadowland. > > > > and like 'yourself' must inquire. > > > > you are not other than your constant questioning. > > > > We are pleased to answer all calls for help and knowledge. > > > > again..some are yet not ready. > > > > the ripening will occur. > > > > We assure 'you' this. > > > > and then...all questions of 'sameness', 'difference', 'self', and > > > > 'sense', will be no more... > > > > as they always have been. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > The ripening of a group of ideas? > > > toombaru 'ideas' have no reality nor ripening ability. you seem attached to them though. hows that working for you? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one can grow beyond their self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no such thing as 'self'. > > > > > > > > > > > > the fallacy is to believe that 'you' refers to a 'self'. > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > but it's that 'ego' thing of 'yours' that cannot see this. > > > > > > > > > > > > we would take measures from this point to be careful to not > > disturb > > > > > > > > > > > > 'your' delusions. > > > > > > > > > > > > they seem to 'become' that 'you' that seems so in need of > 'your' > > > > > > > > > > > > defenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > there there now..it's ok if you are more comfortable with > > ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > many are. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is something within the sense of self that is different > than the > > > > ignorance? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no such 'something'. > > > > > > 'self' has no within. > > > > > > it's too shallow and empty for that. > > > > > > 'you' can not 'sense' this. > > > > > > this is before and after and without reference to differences. > > > > > > Here neither ignorance nor knowledge interfere or delimit. > > > > > > those are but 'problems' of shadowy thoughts..that have no dominion. > > > > > > 'some' seem lost in that shadowland. > > > > > > and like 'yourself' must inquire. > > > > > > you are not other than your constant questioning. > > > > > > We are pleased to answer all calls for help and knowledge. > > > > > > again..some are yet not ready. > > > > > > the ripening will occur. > > > > > > We assure 'you' this. > > > > > > and then...all questions of 'sameness', 'difference', 'self', and > > > > > > 'sense', will be no more... > > > > > > as they always have been. > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > The ripening of a group of ideas? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > 'ideas' have no reality nor ripening ability. > > you seem attached to them though. > > hows that working for you? > > .b b.b. > I am nothing other than ideas.......It never works out well. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one can grow beyond their self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no such thing as 'self'. > > > > > > > > > > > > the fallacy is to believe that 'you' refers to a 'self'. > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > but it's that 'ego' thing of 'yours' that cannot see this. > > > > > > > > > > > > we would take measures from this point to be careful to not > > disturb > > > > > > > > > > > > 'your' delusions. > > > > > > > > > > > > they seem to 'become' that 'you' that seems so in need of > 'your' > > > > > > > > > > > > defenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > there there now..it's ok if you are more comfortable with > > ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > many are. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And some are not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > when not some of the some, > > > > > > > > there is neither comfort nor discomfort. > > > > > > > > are 'you' comfortable with this? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am is the discomfort. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Here there is neither comfort nor discomfort. > > > > didn't 'i' just say that? > > > > what is this " I am' business that 'you' refer too? > > > > neither 'being' nor 'non-being' are pertinent. > > > > but then..you are there..the 'Here' is here. > > > > We welcome 'you' whenever you are ready. > > > > ready to lose that lost 'self'. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > We? > > > > > toombaru a concession to your need for words and answers. 'you' wouldn't understand. the Actuality of this 'We' is beyond your ken. but it is within your fears. we have promised to be gentle with this feature of yours. remember?...just a few posts back? good stuff! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 > > good stuff! > > .b b.b. > For whom? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one can grow beyond their self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no such thing as 'self'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the fallacy is to believe that 'you' refers to a 'self'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but it's that 'ego' thing of 'yours' that cannot see this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we would take measures from this point to be careful to not > > > disturb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'your' delusions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they seem to 'become' that 'you' that seems so in need of > > 'your' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > defenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there there now..it's ok if you are more comfortable with > > > ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many are. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is something within the sense of self that is different > > than the > > > > > ignorance? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no such 'something'. > > > > > > > > 'self' has no within. > > > > > > > > it's too shallow and empty for that. > > > > > > > > 'you' can not 'sense' this. > > > > > > > > this is before and after and without reference to differences. > > > > > > > > Here neither ignorance nor knowledge interfere or delimit. > > > > > > > > those are but 'problems' of shadowy thoughts..that have no dominion. > > > > > > > > 'some' seem lost in that shadowland. > > > > > > > > and like 'yourself' must inquire. > > > > > > > > you are not other than your constant questioning. > > > > > > > > We are pleased to answer all calls for help and knowledge. > > > > > > > > again..some are yet not ready. > > > > > > > > the ripening will occur. > > > > > > > > We assure 'you' this. > > > > > > > > and then...all questions of 'sameness', 'difference', 'self', and > > > > > > > > 'sense', will be no more... > > > > > > > > as they always have been. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ripening of a group of ideas? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > 'ideas' have no reality nor ripening ability. > > > > you seem attached to them though. > > > > hows that working for you? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > I am nothing other than ideas.......It never works out well. > > > > toombaru there is a Way. it is without ideas or without other. it is where there is no such case of 'working out' or not. and All Shall Be Well. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 > > there is a Way. > > it is without ideas or without other. > > it is where there is no such case of 'working out' or not. > > and All Shall Be Well. > > .b b.b. > :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > good stuff! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > For whom? > > > > toombaru again with this 'for whom'? there is no such thing. why ask again and again. it's foolish. for no one. the truth of all fools...no one. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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