Guest guest Report post Posted January 27, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > Could it be that which we have labeled altruism and compassion are > merely behavioral modalities that have evolved to promote to > propagation of the genes within the organism's gene pool? > > The vast amount of human evolution occurred within the confines of a > tribal unit.....in which there is a biological advantage for the > members to protect and care for each other. > > Could it be that the fairly recent advent of cities has not diminished > this biological predisposition to care and protect.......but the > inclination now is merely a reflex.....a misfiring of what had been an > effective survival mechanism. > > This is comparable to the fact that the sex urge is not diminished > when it is known that the spouse is on birth control pills. > > The machinery that drives survival of the organism is hormonal.....not > cerebral.....and it blindly grinds out that which has proved effective. > > > > toombaru > It could well be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 27, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be that which we have labeled altruism and compassion are > > merely behavioral modalities that have evolved to promote to > > propagation of the genes within the organism's gene pool? > > > > The vast amount of human evolution occurred within the confines of a > > tribal unit.....in which there is a biological advantage for the > > members to protect and care for each other. > > > > Could it be that the fairly recent advent of cities has not > diminished > > this biological predisposition to care and protect.......but the > > inclination now is merely a reflex.....a misfiring of what had been > an > > effective survival mechanism. > > > > This is comparable to the fact that the sex urge is not diminished > > when it is known that the spouse is on birth control pills. > > > > The machinery that drives survival of the organism is > hormonal.....not > > cerebral.....and it blindly grinds out that which has proved > effective. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > It could well be. well it could be...it could be well...not a sick joke...oh well! could be. it. ..b bobji baba Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 27, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be that which we have labeled altruism and compassion are > > > merely behavioral modalities that have evolved to promote to > > > propagation of the genes within the organism's gene pool? > > > > > > The vast amount of human evolution occurred within the confines of a > > > tribal unit.....in which there is a biological advantage for the > > > members to protect and care for each other. > > > > > > Could it be that the fairly recent advent of cities has not > > diminished > > > this biological predisposition to care and protect.......but the > > > inclination now is merely a reflex.....a misfiring of what had been > > an > > > effective survival mechanism. > > > > > > This is comparable to the fact that the sex urge is not diminished > > > when it is known that the spouse is on birth control pills. > > > > > > The machinery that drives survival of the organism is > > hormonal.....not > > > cerebral.....and it blindly grinds out that which has proved > > effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > It could well be. > > > > > well it could be...it could be well...not a sick joke...oh well! could > be. it. > > > .b bobji baba > let it be. Let it be, let it be. let it be. There will be an answer, let it be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 27, 2007 Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be that which we have labeled altruism and compassion > are > > > > merely behavioral modalities that have evolved to promote to > > > > propagation of the genes within the organism's gene pool? > > > > > > > > The vast amount of human evolution occurred within the confines > of a > > > > tribal unit.....in which there is a biological advantage for the > > > > members to protect and care for each other. > > > > > > > > Could it be that the fairly recent advent of cities has not > > > diminished > > > > this biological predisposition to care and protect.......but the > > > > inclination now is merely a reflex.....a misfiring of what had > been > > > an > > > > effective survival mechanism. > > > > > > > > This is comparable to the fact that the sex urge is not > diminished > > > > when it is known that the spouse is on birth control pills. > > > > > > > > The machinery that drives survival of the organism is > > > hormonal.....not > > > > cerebral.....and it blindly grinds out that which has proved > > > effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > It could well be. > > > > > > > > > > well it could be...it could be well...not a sick joke...oh well! > could > > be. it. > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > let it be. > Let it be, let it be. > let it be. > There will be an answer, let it be. > .........if there were an it..........and a me.......to let it be..... ..........i would...........if i could. .....i swear...........i would..........if there were a me to let it be..... toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 27, 2007 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be that which we have labeled altruism and compassion are > > > merely behavioral modalities that have evolved to promote to > > > propagation of the genes within the organism's gene pool? > > > > > > The vast amount of human evolution occurred within the confines of a > > > tribal unit.....in which there is a biological advantage for the > > > members to protect and care for each other. > > > > > > Could it be that the fairly recent advent of cities has not > > diminished > > > this biological predisposition to care and protect.......but the > > > inclination now is merely a reflex.....a misfiring of what had been > > an > > > effective survival mechanism. > > > > > > This is comparable to the fact that the sex urge is not diminished > > > when it is known that the spouse is on birth control pills. > > > > > > The machinery that drives survival of the organism is > > hormonal.....not > > > cerebral.....and it blindly grinds out that which has proved > > effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > It could well be. > > > > > well it could be...it could be well...not a sick joke...oh well! could > be. it. > > > .b bobji baba > Namaste, Love is neither emotion or sentiment....that is just pollyanna..Tony Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 27, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be that which we have labeled altruism and compassion > > are > > > > > merely behavioral modalities that have evolved to promote to > > > > > propagation of the genes within the organism's gene pool? > > > > > > > > > > The vast amount of human evolution occurred within the confines > > of a > > > > > tribal unit.....in which there is a biological advantage for the > > > > > members to protect and care for each other. > > > > > > > > > > Could it be that the fairly recent advent of cities has not > > > > diminished > > > > > this biological predisposition to care and protect.......but the > > > > > inclination now is merely a reflex.....a misfiring of what had > > been > > > > an > > > > > effective survival mechanism. > > > > > > > > > > This is comparable to the fact that the sex urge is not > > diminished > > > > > when it is known that the spouse is on birth control pills. > > > > > > > > > > The machinery that drives survival of the organism is > > > > hormonal.....not > > > > > cerebral.....and it blindly grinds out that which has proved > > > > effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > It could well be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well it could be...it could be well...not a sick joke...oh well! > > could > > > be. it. > > > > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > > let it be. > > Let it be, let it be. > > let it be. > > There will be an answer, let it be. > > > > > > ........if there were an it..........and a me.......to let it be..... > > > .........i would...........if i could. > > > ....i swear...........i would..........if there were a me to let it > be..... > > > > > toombaru > Then who is it that doesn't want to let it be? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 27, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be that which we have labeled altruism and > compassion > > > are > > > > > > merely behavioral modalities that have evolved to promote to > > > > > > propagation of the genes within the organism's gene pool? > > > > > > > > > > > > The vast amount of human evolution occurred within the > confines > > > of a > > > > > > tribal unit.....in which there is a biological advantage > for the > > > > > > members to protect and care for each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be that the fairly recent advent of cities has not > > > > > diminished > > > > > > this biological predisposition to care and > protect.......but the > > > > > > inclination now is merely a reflex.....a misfiring of what > had > > > been > > > > > an > > > > > > effective survival mechanism. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is comparable to the fact that the sex urge is not > > > diminished > > > > > > when it is known that the spouse is on birth control pills. > > > > > > > > > > > > The machinery that drives survival of the organism is > > > > > hormonal.....not > > > > > > cerebral.....and it blindly grinds out that which has > proved > > > > > effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > It could well be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well it could be...it could be well...not a sick joke...oh > well! > > > could > > > > be. it. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > > > > let it be. > > > Let it be, let it be. > > > let it be. > > > There will be an answer, let it be. > > > > > > > > > > > ........if there were an it..........and a me.......to let it > be..... > > > > > > .........i would...........if i could. > > > > > > ....i swear...........i would..........if there were a me to let it > > be..... > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > Then who is it that doesn't want to let it be? > The understanding is that there is no 'it'......and no 'one' to 'let it be'. The question looses all meaning in that context. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 27, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be that which we have labeled altruism and compassion > are > > > > merely behavioral modalities that have evolved to promote to > > > > propagation of the genes within the organism's gene pool? > > > > > > > > The vast amount of human evolution occurred within the confines > of a > > > > tribal unit.....in which there is a biological advantage for the > > > > members to protect and care for each other. > > > > > > > > Could it be that the fairly recent advent of cities has not > > > diminished > > > > this biological predisposition to care and protect.......but the > > > > inclination now is merely a reflex.....a misfiring of what had > been > > > an > > > > effective survival mechanism. > > > > > > > > This is comparable to the fact that the sex urge is not > diminished > > > > when it is known that the spouse is on birth control pills. > > > > > > > > The machinery that drives survival of the organism is > > > hormonal.....not > > > > cerebral.....and it blindly grinds out that which has proved > > > effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > It could well be. > > > > > > > > > > well it could be...it could be well...not a sick joke...oh well! > could > > be. it. > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > Namaste, > > Love is neither emotion or sentiment....that is just pollyanna..> huh? someone called? poly anna or the many sides of Anna included all of 'you', hehehaha, they're coming to take me away... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 27, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be that which we have labeled altruism and > > compassion > > > > are > > > > > > > merely behavioral modalities that have evolved to promote to > > > > > > > propagation of the genes within the organism's gene pool? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The vast amount of human evolution occurred within the > > confines > > > > of a > > > > > > > tribal unit.....in which there is a biological advantage > > for the > > > > > > > members to protect and care for each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be that the fairly recent advent of cities has not > > > > > > diminished > > > > > > > this biological predisposition to care and > > protect.......but the > > > > > > > inclination now is merely a reflex.....a misfiring of what > > had > > > > been > > > > > > an > > > > > > > effective survival mechanism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is comparable to the fact that the sex urge is not > > > > diminished > > > > > > > when it is known that the spouse is on birth control pills. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The machinery that drives survival of the organism is > > > > > > hormonal.....not > > > > > > > cerebral.....and it blindly grinds out that which has > > proved > > > > > > effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > It could well be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well it could be...it could be well...not a sick joke...oh > > well! > > > > could > > > > > be. it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > > > > > > let it be. > > > > Let it be, let it be. > > > > let it be. > > > > There will be an answer, let it be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........if there were an it..........and a me.......to let it > > be..... > > > > > > > > > .........i would...........if i could. > > > > > > > > > ....i swear...........i would..........if there were a me to let it > > > be..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Then who is it that doesn't want to let it be? > > > > > > > The understanding is that there is no 'it'......and no 'one' to 'let > it be'. > > > The question looses all meaning in that context. > > > > > toombaru the question loses all context in that meaning. a complimentary thought in blue for a world without comparisons. ..b bobji baba 'The Answer's Question' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 27, 2007 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be that which we have labeled altruism and > compassion > > are > > > > > merely behavioral modalities that have evolved to promote to > > > > > propagation of the genes within the organism's gene pool? > > > > > > > > > > The vast amount of human evolution occurred within the > confines > > of a > > > > > tribal unit.....in which there is a biological advantage for > the > > > > > members to protect and care for each other. > > > > > > > > > > Could it be that the fairly recent advent of cities has not > > > > diminished > > > > > this biological predisposition to care and protect.......but > the > > > > > inclination now is merely a reflex.....a misfiring of what > had > > been > > > > an > > > > > effective survival mechanism. > > > > > > > > > > This is comparable to the fact that the sex urge is not > > diminished > > > > > when it is known that the spouse is on birth control pills. > > > > > > > > > > The machinery that drives survival of the organism is > > > > hormonal.....not > > > > > cerebral.....and it blindly grinds out that which has proved > > > > effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > It could well be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well it could be...it could be well...not a sick joke...oh well! > > could > > > be. it. > > > > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > > Namaste, > > > > Love is neither emotion or sentiment....that is just pollyanna..> > > > huh? someone called? > > poly anna or the many sides of Anna included all of 'you', hehehaha, > they're coming to take me away... polly anna is a fabric like nile on and ray gun(also the name of a president who forgot that he was). ..b bobji baba Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 27, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be that which we have labeled altruism and > > compassion > > > > are > > > > > > > merely behavioral modalities that have evolved to promote to > > > > > > > propagation of the genes within the organism's gene pool? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The vast amount of human evolution occurred within the > > confines > > > > of a > > > > > > > tribal unit.....in which there is a biological advantage > > for the > > > > > > > members to protect and care for each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be that the fairly recent advent of cities has not > > > > > > diminished > > > > > > > this biological predisposition to care and > > protect.......but the > > > > > > > inclination now is merely a reflex.....a misfiring of what > > had > > > > been > > > > > > an > > > > > > > effective survival mechanism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is comparable to the fact that the sex urge is not > > > > diminished > > > > > > > when it is known that the spouse is on birth control pills. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The machinery that drives survival of the organism is > > > > > > hormonal.....not > > > > > > > cerebral.....and it blindly grinds out that which has > > proved > > > > > > effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > It could well be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well it could be...it could be well...not a sick joke...oh > > well! > > > > could > > > > > be. it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > > > > > > let it be. > > > > Let it be, let it be. > > > > let it be. > > > > There will be an answer, let it be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........if there were an it..........and a me.......to let it > > be..... > > > > > > > > > .........i would...........if i could. > > > > > > > > > ....i swear...........i would..........if there were a me to let it > > > be..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Then who is it that doesn't want to let it be? > > > > > > > The understanding is that there is no 'it'......and no 'one' to 'let > it be'. > > > The question looses all meaning in that context. > > > > > toombaru > If the understanding is that there is no 'it'...and no 'one'...and so on...and so on...then why these ongoing laborious and futile efforts trying to make 'it' and no 'one' understandable. and so on...enz...etc. Get with it!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 27, 2007 why not? its whats happening,it is what is Johan <yohansky wrote: Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be that which we have labeled altruism and > > compassion > > > > are > > > > > > > merely behavioral modalities that have evolved to promote to > > > > > > > propagation of the genes within the organism's gene pool? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The vast amount of human evolution occurred within the > > confines > > > > of a > > > > > > > tribal unit.....in which there is a biological advantage > > for the > > > > > > > members to protect and care for each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could it be that the fairly recent advent of cities has not > > > > > > diminished > > > > > > > this biological predisposition to care and > > protect.......but the > > > > > > > inclination now is merely a reflex.....a misfiring of what > > had > > > > been > > > > > > an > > > > > > > effective survival mechanism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is comparable to the fact that the sex urge is not > > > > diminished > > > > > > > when it is known that the spouse is on birth control pills. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The machinery that drives survival of the organism is > > > > > > hormonal.....not > > > > > > > cerebral.....and it blindly grinds out that which has > > proved > > > > > > effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > It could well be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well it could be...it could be well...not a sick joke...oh > > well! > > > > could > > > > > be. it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b bobji baba > > > > > > > > > let it be. > > > > Let it be, let it be. > > > > let it be. > > > > There will be an answer, let it be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........if there were an it..........and a me.......to let it > > be..... > > > > > > > > > .........i would...........if i could. > > > > > > > > > ....i swear...........i would..........if there were a me to let it > > > be..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Then who is it that doesn't want to let it be? > > > > > > > The understanding is that there is no 'it'......and no 'one' to 'let > it be'. > > > The question looses all meaning in that context. > > > > > toombaru > If the understanding is that there is no 'it'...and no 'one'...and so on...and so on...then why these ongoing laborious and futile efforts trying to make 'it' and no 'one' understandable. and so on...enz...etc. Get with it!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 28, 2007 Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam wrote: > > why not? its whats happening,it is what is > " It " would imply a separate, static object. All objects exist only in the conceptual realm. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 28, 2007 yes,as was your reply. an object too,theres looking at it right now,diana toombaru2006 <lastrain wrote: --- In Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam wrote: > > why not? its whats happening,it is what is > " It " would imply a separate, static object. All objects exist only in the conceptual realm. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 28, 2007 Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam wrote: > > yes,as was your reply. an object too,theres looking at it right now,diana > > Diana, It is very difficult......in a world that exists entirely of conceptual objects....to speak of a world that doesn't. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 28, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam@> > wrote: > > > > why not? its whats happening,it is what is > > > > > > " It " would imply a separate, static object. > > All objects exist only in the conceptual realm. > > > toombaru and from where doth this concept emanate from? the conceptual realm? or is it a static, separate, thing? is it the same kind of 'it' that you say implies this phantom, separated, and unchanging, 'thing in itself' or 'object'? why do you say what you say here. .b bobji in his eternal compassion and charming manner tries to indicate to the earnest but faltering student of the way ,that he is full of horse feathers ans stuff and vinegar....and he refers not his Most Holy Self, but to that bewildered pilgrim that pamphleteers this droll nonsense that the Holy baba makes comment on herein. onward nondual soldier toombaru!... someday you may get it close to right anyway. ..b bobji baba Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 28, 2007 yes i know. toombaru2006 <lastrain wrote: --- In Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam wrote: > > yes,as was your reply. an object too,theres looking at it right now,diana > > Diana, It is very difficult......in a world that exists entirely of conceptual objects....to speak of a world that doesn't. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 28, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam@> > wrote: > > > > why not? its whats happening,it is what is > > > > > > " It " would imply a separate, static object. > > All objects exist only in the conceptual realm. > > > toombaru > It is a word used to confuse, isn't it? Full of humor those chaps from the conceptual realm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > >It is very difficult......in a world that exists entirely of >conceptual objects....to speak of a world that doesn't. would you care to explain, what is a " conceptual object " ? Stefan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > >It is very difficult......in a world that exists entirely of > >conceptual objects....to speak of a world that doesn't. > > would you care to explain, what is a " conceptual object " ? > Stefan > Don't bother Stefan, only wannabee Gurus believe in conceptual and de/illussional objects. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > >It is very difficult......in a world that exists entirely of > >conceptual objects....to speak of a world that doesn't. > > would you care to explain, what is a " conceptual object " ? > Stefan > There are no separate " objects " in nature. What is a 'mountain'...a wave....a river'? Objects exist...and have a separate reality.... only within the conceptual mind. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > >It is very difficult......in a world that exists entirely of > > >conceptual objects....to speak of a world that doesn't. > > > > would you care to explain, what is a " conceptual object " ? > > Stefan > > > > > > There are no separate " objects " in nature. > > What is a 'mountain'...a wave....a river'? > > Objects exist...and have a separate reality.... only within the > conceptual mind. > > > toombaru does this notion 'move' you? is it important to you? does it make any difference to anything or anyone? are you just 'moved' to post it by 'life'? there is no 'conceptual mind' either. you just lose one ghost and pick up another one, and by doing so you think you have 'accomplished' 'something', and even more foolishly you entertain the idea that you 'know' 'something'...about 'anything'. oh foolish heart and soul and mind of man! sing on though...i've heard this tune so many times, playing on the same station, it's beginning to sound like a top ten hit played 12 times an hour on the am radio dial...sponsored by the writer. ..b bobji baba (King of R & R) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 29, 2007 without which there would be no expererences, diana. toombaru2006 <lastrain wrote: --- In Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > >It is very difficult......in a world that exists entirely of > >conceptual objects....to speak of a world that doesn't. > > would you care to explain, what is a " conceptual object " ? > Stefan > There are no separate " objects " in nature. What is a 'mountain'...a wave....a river'? Objects exist...and have a separate reality.... only within the conceptual mind. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 29, 2007 roberibus111 <Roberibus111 wrote: --- In Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > >It is very difficult......in a world that exists entirely of > > >conceptual objects....to speak of a world that doesn't. > > > > would you care to explain, what is a " conceptual object " ? > > Stefan > > > > > > There are no separate " objects " in nature. > > What is a 'mountain'...a wave....a river'? > > Objects exist...and have a separate reality.... only within the > conceptual mind. > > > toombaru does this notion 'move' you? is it important to you? does it make any difference to anything or anyone? are you just 'moved' to post it by 'life'? there is no 'conceptual mind' either. you just lose one ghost and pick up another one, and by doing so you think you have 'accomplished' 'something', and even more foolishly you entertain the idea that you 'know' 'something'...about 'anything'. oh foolish heart and soul and mind of man! sing on though...i've heard this tune so many times, playing on the same station, it's beginning to sound like a top ten hit played 12 times an hour on the am radio dial...sponsored by the writer. ..b bobji baba (King of R & R) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 29, 2007 Nisargadatta , diana shellam <diana.shellam wrote: > > without which there would be no expererences, diana. > " Experience " is an ideation. Does a deer have 'experiences'? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
