Guest guest Report post Posted October 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > >The screen of consciousness becomes translucent and Life just outside > >of the theater is seen ...in Its sparkling ever-newness....and > >remembered as One's true abode. > >The show continues......but it is no longer personalized. > >Most people leave the theater at the time of their physical > >death...........a few........ leave before they die. > > Toombaru, > > > There is only the theatre > What we see outside > Is a projection of our dreams And if a bullet comes flying fron OUTSIDE and shmashes your head then the dream is over. Werner > > We search outside > Where nothing can be found > Because we love searching > So much! > > The theatre is all > No outside > Everything is here > Now > > One cannot leave > Before one dies > One dies > When he leaves > > Greetings > S. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > >The screen of consciousness becomes translucent and Life just > outside > > >of the theater is seen ...in Its sparkling ever-newness....and > > >remembered as One's true abode. > > >The show continues......but it is no longer personalized. > > >Most people leave the theater at the time of their physical > > >death...........a few........ leave before they die. > > > > Toombaru, > > > > > > There is only the theatre > > What we see outside > > Is a projection of our dreams > > > And if a bullet comes flying > fron OUTSIDE and shmashes your head > then the dream is over. > > Werner hi Werner, yes, true.... if a bullet take part of the dream...then the dream is modified... but will never end....even in the case of a second bullet..... and so on... Marc > > > > > > We search outside > > Where nothing can be found > > Because we love searching > > So much! > > > > The theatre is all > > No outside > > Everything is here > > Now > > > > One cannot leave > > Before one dies > > One dies > > When he leaves > > > > Greetings > > S. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > >The screen of consciousness becomes translucent and Life just outside > >of the theater is seen ...in Its sparkling ever-newness....and > >remembered as One's true abode. > >The show continues......but it is no longer personalized. > >Most people leave the theater at the time of their physical > >death...........a few........ leave before they die. > > Toombaru, > > > There is only the theatre > What we see outside > Is a projection of our dreams > > We search outside > Where nothing can be found > Because we love searching > So much! > > The theatre is all > No outside > Everything is here > Now > > One cannot leave > Before one dies > One dies > When he leaves > > Greetings > S. Hi Stefan, you write... " What we see Outside is the projection of our dreams " .... maybe it's also possible to say...: what we see outside is what we realy are....in the moment of Seeing something " outside " what we realy are...at this moment of Seeing....only ....but only for this little moment.... and then come the next... and next.... and so so on... as long there is the identification with this your mentionned " dreaming entity " ......there is the Dream of being " this or that " .... there is the dream of being a " dreaming entity " ..... when the right identification take place.....then this " outside " is same then " inside " ....no more difference whatever happen....it happen within " you " .... in fact " you " ....remain the silent witness....of all appearance of change Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > >The screen of consciousness becomes translucent and Life just > > outside > > > >of the theater is seen ...in Its sparkling ever-newness....and > > > >remembered as One's true abode. > > > >The show continues......but it is no longer personalized. > > > >Most people leave the theater at the time of their physical > > > >death...........a few........ leave before they die. > > > > > > Toombaru, > > > > > > > > > There is only the theatre > > > What we see outside > > > Is a projection of our dreams > > > > > > And if a bullet comes flying > > fron OUTSIDE and shmashes your head > > then the dream is over. > > > > Werner > > > hi Werner, > > yes, true.... > > if a bullet take part of the dream...then the dream is modified... > but will never end....even in the case of a second bullet..... > > and so on... > > > Marc Marc, What I wanted to say with that bullet example was that there is not only the dream but also a phyisical reality one cannot deny and escape from with the help of philosophical contructs. That inner and outer physical reality which appears as contents of consciousness we are only indirectly conscious of via the sensual apparatus and via the processes within the brain. These indirect conscious appearances of reality are what we call a dream. Werner > > > > > > > > > > We search outside > > > Where nothing can be found > > > Because we love searching > > > So much! > > > > > > The theatre is all > > > No outside > > > Everything is here > > > Now > > > > > > One cannot leave > > > Before one dies > > > One dies > > > When he leaves > > > > > > Greetings > > > S. > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > >The screen of consciousness becomes translucent and Life just > > > outside > > > > >of the theater is seen ...in Its sparkling ever- newness....and > > > > >remembered as One's true abode. > > > > >The show continues......but it is no longer personalized. > > > > >Most people leave the theater at the time of their physical > > > > >death...........a few........ leave before they die. > > > > > > > > Toombaru, > > > > > > > > > > > > There is only the theatre > > > > What we see outside > > > > Is a projection of our dreams > > > > > > > > > And if a bullet comes flying > > > fron OUTSIDE and shmashes your head > > > then the dream is over. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > hi Werner, > > > > yes, true.... > > > > if a bullet take part of the dream...then the dream is modified... > > but will never end....even in the case of a second bullet..... > > > > and so on... > > > > > > Marc > > > Marc, > > What I wanted to say with that bullet example was that there is not > only the dream but also a phyisical reality one cannot deny and > escape from with the help of philosophical contructs. > > That inner and outer physical reality which appears as contents of > consciousness we are only indirectly conscious of via the sensual > apparatus and via the processes within the brain. > > These indirect conscious appearances of reality are what we call a > dream. > > Werner Hi Werner, ....so if there were a " direct " consciousness of this " appearances of reality " .....you think that one could " escape " the bullet...? becoming Superman and run away....faster as the bullets....? the reason one is " shut down " by a bullet ....is " indirect consciousness " ....? i think it's easier to accept.....that certain life-circumstances are more dangerous than others.... the one " who " is involved in " danger " ....for whatever reason.....need to fight against this " bullets " ....... means....it would be of help....to live a less " dangerous " life....first.....and then.....by the help of some inner balance to " existance " .....by the help of inner peace and love..... .....melting with the " situation " ....however is the appearance.... Marc > > > > > > > > > > We search outside > > > > Where nothing can be found > > > > Because we love searching > > > > So much! > > > > > > > > The theatre is all > > > > No outside > > > > Everything is here > > > > Now > > > > > > > > One cannot leave > > > > Before one dies > > > > One dies > > > > When he leaves > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > >The screen of consciousness becomes translucent and Life > just > > > > outside > > > > > >of the theater is seen ...in Its sparkling ever- > newness....and > > > > > >remembered as One's true abode. > > > > > >The show continues......but it is no longer personalized. > > > > > >Most people leave the theater at the time of their physical > > > > > >death...........a few........ leave before they die. > > > > > > > > > > Toombaru, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is only the theatre > > > > > What we see outside > > > > > Is a projection of our dreams > > > > > > > > > > > > And if a bullet comes flying > > > > fron OUTSIDE and shmashes your head > > > > then the dream is over. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > hi Werner, > > > > > > yes, true.... > > > > > > if a bullet take part of the dream...then the dream is modified... > > > but will never end....even in the case of a second bullet..... > > > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Marc, > > > > What I wanted to say with that bullet example was that there is not > > only the dream but also a phyisical reality one cannot deny and > > escape from with the help of philosophical contructs. > > > > That inner and outer physical reality which appears as contents of > > consciousness we are only indirectly conscious of via the sensual > > apparatus and via the processes within the brain. > > > > These indirect conscious appearances of reality are what we call a > > dream. > > > > Werner > > > Hi Werner, > > ...so if there were a " direct " consciousness of this " appearances of > reality " .....you think that one could " escape " the bullet...? > > becoming Superman and run away....faster as the bullets....? > > the reason one is " shut down " by a bullet ....is " indirect > consciousness " ....? > Marc, All this questions you have put. And so you must answer them yourself. Werner > > i think it's easier to accept.....that certain life-circumstances are > more dangerous than others.... > > the one " who " is involved in " danger " ....for whatever reason.....need > to fight against this " bullets " ....... > > means....it would be of help....to live a less " dangerous " > life....first.....and then.....by the help of some inner balance > to " existance " .....by the help of inner peace and love..... > > ....melting with the " situation " ....however is the appearance.... > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We search outside > > > > > Where nothing can be found > > > > > Because we love searching > > > > > So much! > > > > > > > > > > The theatre is all > > > > > No outside > > > > > Everything is here > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > One cannot leave > > > > > Before one dies > > > > > One dies > > > > > When he leaves > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >The screen of consciousness becomes translucent and Life > > just > > > > > outside > > > > > > >of the theater is seen ...in Its sparkling ever- > > newness....and > > > > > > >remembered as One's true abode. > > > > > > >The show continues......but it is no longer personalized. > > > > > > >Most people leave the theater at the time of their physical > > > > > > >death...........a few........ leave before they die. > > > > > > > > > > > > Toombaru, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is only the theatre > > > > > > What we see outside > > > > > > Is a projection of our dreams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if a bullet comes flying > > > > > fron OUTSIDE and shmashes your head > > > > > then the dream is over. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > hi Werner, > > > > > > > > yes, true.... > > > > > > > > if a bullet take part of the dream...then the dream is > modified... > > > > but will never end....even in the case of a second bullet..... > > > > > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > What I wanted to say with that bullet example was that there is > not > > > only the dream but also a phyisical reality one cannot deny and > > > escape from with the help of philosophical contructs. > > > > > > That inner and outer physical reality which appears as contents > of > > > consciousness we are only indirectly conscious of via the sensual > > > apparatus and via the processes within the brain. > > > > > > These indirect conscious appearances of reality are what we call > a > > > dream. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > ...so if there were a " direct " consciousness of this " appearances > of > > reality " .....you think that one could " escape " the bullet...? > > > > becoming Superman and run away....faster as the bullets....? > > > > the reason one is " shut down " by a bullet ....is " indirect > > consciousness " ....? > > > > > Marc, > > All this questions you have put. And so you must answer them yourself. > > Werner Werner, would have been interesting to know your answers to this questions......because they are related to your concepts.... philosophie is not related to " bullets " ....in a direct way.... it has to do with Life.....and " who " is dreaming to live " this or that life " .... " bullets " aren't indeed an interesting factor to " escape " reality.... even if some ignorant entities are playing around with " bullets " Marc > > > > > > i think it's easier to accept.....that certain life-circumstances > are > > more dangerous than others.... > > > > the one " who " is involved in " danger " ....for whatever > reason.....need > > to fight against this " bullets " ....... > > > > means....it would be of help....to live a less " dangerous " > > life....first.....and then.....by the help of some inner balance > > to " existance " .....by the help of inner peace and love..... > > > > ....melting with the " situation " ....however is the appearance.... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We search outside > > > > > > Where nothing can be found > > > > > > Because we love searching > > > > > > So much! > > > > > > > > > > > > The theatre is all > > > > > > No outside > > > > > > Everything is here > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot leave > > > > > > Before one dies > > > > > > One dies > > > > > > When he leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >The screen of consciousness becomes translucent and Life > > > just > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > >of the theater is seen ...in Its sparkling ever- > > > newness....and > > > > > > > >remembered as One's true abode. > > > > > > > >The show continues......but it is no longer personalized. > > > > > > > >Most people leave the theater at the time of their > physical > > > > > > > >death...........a few........ leave before they die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toombaru, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is only the theatre > > > > > > > What we see outside > > > > > > > Is a projection of our dreams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if a bullet comes flying > > > > > > fron OUTSIDE and shmashes your head > > > > > > then the dream is over. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > yes, true.... > > > > > > > > > > if a bullet take part of the dream...then the dream is > > modified... > > > > > but will never end....even in the case of a second bullet..... > > > > > > > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > What I wanted to say with that bullet example was that there is > > not > > > > only the dream but also a phyisical reality one cannot deny and > > > > escape from with the help of philosophical contructs. > > > > > > > > That inner and outer physical reality which appears as contents > > of > > > > consciousness we are only indirectly conscious of via the > sensual > > > > apparatus and via the processes within the brain. > > > > > > > > These indirect conscious appearances of reality are what we > call > > a > > > > dream. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > ...so if there were a " direct " consciousness of this " appearances > > of > > > reality " .....you think that one could " escape " the bullet...? > > > > > > becoming Superman and run away....faster as the bullets....? > > > > > > the reason one is " shut down " by a bullet ....is " indirect > > > consciousness " ....? > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > All this questions you have put. And so you must answer them > yourself. > > > > Werner > > > Werner, > > would have been interesting to know your answers to this > questions......because they are related to your concepts.... > > philosophie is not related to " bullets " ....in a direct way.... > it has to do with Life.....and " who " is dreaming to live " this or > that life " .... > > " bullets " aren't indeed an interesting factor to " escape " reality.... > > even if some ignorant entities are playing around with " bullets " > > Marc Ps: i hope you don't have a gun > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think it's easier to accept.....that certain life- circumstances > > are > > > more dangerous than others.... > > > > > > the one " who " is involved in " danger " ....for whatever > > reason.....need > > > to fight against this " bullets " ....... > > > > > > means....it would be of help....to live a less " dangerous " > > > life....first.....and then.....by the help of some inner balance > > > to " existance " .....by the help of inner peace and love..... > > > > > > ....melting with the " situation " ....however is the appearance.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We search outside > > > > > > > Where nothing can be found > > > > > > > Because we love searching > > > > > > > So much! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The theatre is all > > > > > > > No outside > > > > > > > Everything is here > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot leave > > > > > > > Before one dies > > > > > > > One dies > > > > > > > When he leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >...but they point to the non-delusional. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A dream figure, sailing in a dream ship can only point to > > a > > > > > > dreamed > > > > > > > shore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You remember... don't you?... the Naturalness into which > > you > > > > > > > > >were born. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All I can remember is a stream of experiencing, > > essentially > > > > not > > > > > > > > different from now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >...and the dream is the only place where the search for > > the > > > > > > > > >non-delusional can occur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It occurs only as long someone thinks something has to be > > > > changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes :-) > > > > > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It occurs only as long as there is a someone who thinks > > that > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > a someone who is doing the thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or as long there's someone telling us that there's someone > > doing > > > > the > > > > > > thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > Its getting more crowded in that hall of mirrors by the day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When mirrors talk to each other......they speak of reflections. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talking mirrors, speaking of reflections? > > > > > > > > For a moment I thought you would have been the only one who could > > > > have told us why we can't see ourselves in the mirror. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You " can never see anything. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Wrong answer. > > > > > > Ok.........One more try: > > Because there isn't one. > Wrong answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >The screen of consciousness becomes translucent and > Life > > > > just > > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > > >of the theater is seen ...in Its sparkling ever- > > > > newness....and > > > > > > > > >remembered as One's true abode. > > > > > > > > >The show continues......but it is no longer > personalized. > > > > > > > > >Most people leave the theater at the time of their > > physical > > > > > > > > >death...........a few........ leave before they die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toombaru, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is only the theatre > > > > > > > > What we see outside > > > > > > > > Is a projection of our dreams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if a bullet comes flying > > > > > > > fron OUTSIDE and shmashes your head > > > > > > > then the dream is over. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, true.... > > > > > > > > > > > > if a bullet take part of the dream...then the dream is > > > modified... > > > > > > but will never end....even in the case of a second > bullet..... > > > > > > > > > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > What I wanted to say with that bullet example was that there > is > > > not > > > > > only the dream but also a phyisical reality one cannot deny > and > > > > > escape from with the help of philosophical contructs. > > > > > > > > > > That inner and outer physical reality which appears as > contents > > > of > > > > > consciousness we are only indirectly conscious of via the > > sensual > > > > > apparatus and via the processes within the brain. > > > > > > > > > > These indirect conscious appearances of reality are what we > > call > > > a > > > > > dream. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > > > ...so if there were a " direct " consciousness of > this " appearances > > > of > > > > reality " .....you think that one could " escape " the bullet...? > > > > > > > > becoming Superman and run away....faster as the bullets....? > > > > > > > > the reason one is " shut down " by a bullet ....is " indirect > > > > consciousness " ....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > All this questions you have put. And so you must answer them > > yourself. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Werner, > > > > would have been interesting to know your answers to this > > questions......because they are related to your concepts.... > > > > philosophie is not related to " bullets " ....in a direct way.... > > it has to do with Life.....and " who " is dreaming to live " this or > > that life " .... > > > > " bullets " aren't indeed an interesting factor to " escape " > reality.... > > > > even if some ignorant entities are playing around with " bullets " > > > > Marc > > > Ps: i hope you don't have a gun Reminds me of soldier who called his rifle a gun. As a sanction he had to undress and whenever a person was passing he had show his rifle and then to point at his dick and to yell: " This is my rifle and that is my gun. The one is for shooting and the other for fun " . Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think it's easier to accept.....that certain life- > circumstances > > > are > > > > more dangerous than others.... > > > > > > > > the one " who " is involved in " danger " ....for whatever > > > reason.....need > > > > to fight against this " bullets " ....... > > > > > > > > means....it would be of help....to live a less " dangerous " > > > > life....first.....and then.....by the help of some inner > balance > > > > to " existance " .....by the help of inner peace and love..... > > > > > > > > ....melting with the " situation " ....however is the > appearance.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We search outside > > > > > > > > Where nothing can be found > > > > > > > > Because we love searching > > > > > > > > So much! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The theatre is all > > > > > > > > No outside > > > > > > > > Everything is here > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot leave > > > > > > > > Before one dies > > > > > > > > One dies > > > > > > > > When he leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: >And if a bullet comes flying >fron OUTSIDE and shmashes your head >then the dream is over. > >Werner A smashed head A bloody bullet Who shot the piano player? Greetings Stefan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >The screen of consciousness becomes translucent and > > Life > > > > > just > > > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > > > >of the theater is seen ...in Its sparkling ever- > > > > > newness....and > > > > > > > > > >remembered as One's true abode. > > > > > > > > > >The show continues......but it is no longer > > personalized. > > > > > > > > > >Most people leave the theater at the time of their > > > physical > > > > > > > > > >death...........a few........ leave before they die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toombaru, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is only the theatre > > > > > > > > > What we see outside > > > > > > > > > Is a projection of our dreams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if a bullet comes flying > > > > > > > > fron OUTSIDE and shmashes your head > > > > > > > > then the dream is over. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, true.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a bullet take part of the dream...then the dream is > > > > modified... > > > > > > > but will never end....even in the case of a second > > bullet..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > What I wanted to say with that bullet example was that > there > > is > > > > not > > > > > > only the dream but also a phyisical reality one cannot deny > > and > > > > > > escape from with the help of philosophical contructs. > > > > > > > > > > > > That inner and outer physical reality which appears as > > contents > > > > of > > > > > > consciousness we are only indirectly conscious of via the > > > sensual > > > > > > apparatus and via the processes within the brain. > > > > > > > > > > > > These indirect conscious appearances of reality are what we > > > call > > > > a > > > > > > dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > ...so if there were a " direct " consciousness of > > this " appearances > > > > of > > > > > reality " .....you think that one could " escape " the bullet...? > > > > > > > > > > becoming Superman and run away....faster as the bullets....? > > > > > > > > > > the reason one is " shut down " by a bullet ....is " indirect > > > > > consciousness " ....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > All this questions you have put. And so you must answer them > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Werner, > > > > > > would have been interesting to know your answers to this > > > questions......because they are related to your concepts.... > > > > > > philosophie is not related to " bullets " ....in a direct way.... > > > it has to do with Life.....and " who " is dreaming to live " this or > > > that life " .... > > > > > > " bullets " aren't indeed an interesting factor to " escape " > > reality.... > > > > > > even if some ignorant entities are playing around with " bullets " > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: i hope you don't have a gun > > > Reminds me of soldier who called his rifle a gun. As a sanction he > had to undress and whenever a person was passing he had show his > rifle and then to point at his dick and to yell: > > " This is my rifle and that is my gun. The one is for shooting and the > other for fun " . > > > > Werner yeah....sounds already more peaceful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think it's easier to accept.....that certain life- > > circumstances > > > > are > > > > > more dangerous than others.... > > > > > > > > > > the one " who " is involved in " danger " ....for whatever > > > > reason.....need > > > > > to fight against this " bullets " ....... > > > > > > > > > > means....it would be of help....to live a less " dangerous " > > > > > life....first.....and then.....by the help of some inner > > balance > > > > > to " existance " .....by the help of inner peace and love..... > > > > > > > > > > ....melting with the " situation " ....however is the > > appearance.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We search outside > > > > > > > > > Where nothing can be found > > > > > > > > > Because we love searching > > > > > > > > > So much! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The theatre is all > > > > > > > > > No outside > > > > > > > > > Everything is here > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot leave > > > > > > > > > Before one dies > > > > > > > > > One dies > > > > > > > > > When he leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >The screen of consciousness becomes translucent > and > > > Life > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > > > > >of the theater is seen ...in Its sparkling ever- > > > > > > newness....and > > > > > > > > > > >remembered as One's true abode. > > > > > > > > > > >The show continues......but it is no longer > > > personalized. > > > > > > > > > > >Most people leave the theater at the time of their > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > >death...........a few........ leave before they > die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toombaru, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is only the theatre > > > > > > > > > > What we see outside > > > > > > > > > > Is a projection of our dreams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if a bullet comes flying > > > > > > > > > fron OUTSIDE and shmashes your head > > > > > > > > > then the dream is over. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, true.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a bullet take part of the dream...then the dream is > > > > > modified... > > > > > > > > but will never end....even in the case of a second > > > bullet..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I wanted to say with that bullet example was that > > there > > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > > only the dream but also a phyisical reality one cannot > deny > > > and > > > > > > > escape from with the help of philosophical contructs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That inner and outer physical reality which appears as > > > contents > > > > > of > > > > > > > consciousness we are only indirectly conscious of via the > > > > sensual > > > > > > > apparatus and via the processes within the brain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These indirect conscious appearances of reality are what > we > > > > call > > > > > a > > > > > > > dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > ...so if there were a " direct " consciousness of > > > this " appearances > > > > > of > > > > > > reality " .....you think that one could " escape " the > bullet...? > > > > > > > > > > > > becoming Superman and run away....faster as the bullets....? > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason one is " shut down " by a bullet ....is " indirect > > > > > > consciousness " ....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > All this questions you have put. And so you must answer them > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner, > > > > > > > > would have been interesting to know your answers to this > > > > questions......because they are related to your concepts.... > > > > > > > > philosophie is not related to " bullets " ....in a direct way.... > > > > it has to do with Life.....and " who " is dreaming to live " this > or > > > > that life " .... > > > > > > > > " bullets " aren't indeed an interesting factor to " escape " > > > reality.... > > > > > > > > even if some ignorant entities are playing around with " bullets " > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: i hope you don't have a gun > > > > > > Reminds me of soldier who called his rifle a gun. As a sanction he > > had to undress and whenever a person was passing he had show his > > rifle and then to point at his dick and to yell: > > > > " This is my rifle and that is my gun. The one is for shooting and > the > > other for fun " . > > > > > > > > Werner > > > yeah....sounds already more peaceful > > Great, Marc, That means you feel more peaceful now. And just another step further and you are peace. And then you no longer will see me with a rifle but with a halo Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >The screen of consciousness becomes translucent > > and > > > > Life > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > > > > > >of the theater is seen ...in Its sparkling ever- > > > > > > > newness....and > > > > > > > > > > > >remembered as One's true abode. > > > > > > > > > > > >The show continues......but it is no longer > > > > personalized. > > > > > > > > > > > >Most people leave the theater at the time of > their > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > >death...........a few........ leave before they > > die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toombaru, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is only the theatre > > > > > > > > > > > What we see outside > > > > > > > > > > > Is a projection of our dreams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if a bullet comes flying > > > > > > > > > > fron OUTSIDE and shmashes your head > > > > > > > > > > then the dream is over. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, true.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a bullet take part of the dream...then the dream > is > > > > > > modified... > > > > > > > > > but will never end....even in the case of a second > > > > bullet..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I wanted to say with that bullet example was that > > > there > > > > is > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > only the dream but also a phyisical reality one cannot > > deny > > > > and > > > > > > > > escape from with the help of philosophical contructs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That inner and outer physical reality which appears as > > > > contents > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > consciousness we are only indirectly conscious of via > the > > > > > sensual > > > > > > > > apparatus and via the processes within the brain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These indirect conscious appearances of reality are > what > > we > > > > > call > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...so if there were a " direct " consciousness of > > > > this " appearances > > > > > > of > > > > > > > reality " .....you think that one could " escape " the > > bullet...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoming Superman and run away....faster as the > bullets....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason one is " shut down " by a > bullet ....is " indirect > > > > > > > consciousness " ....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > All this questions you have put. And so you must answer > them > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner, > > > > > > > > > > would have been interesting to know your answers to this > > > > > questions......because they are related to your concepts.... > > > > > > > > > > philosophie is not related to " bullets " ....in a direct way.... > > > > > it has to do with Life.....and " who " is dreaming to > live " this > > or > > > > > that life " .... > > > > > > > > > > " bullets " aren't indeed an interesting factor to " escape " > > > > reality.... > > > > > > > > > > even if some ignorant entities are playing around > with " bullets " > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: i hope you don't have a gun > > > > > > > > > Reminds me of soldier who called his rifle a gun. As a sanction > he > > > had to undress and whenever a person was passing he had show his > > > rifle and then to point at his dick and to yell: > > > > > > " This is my rifle and that is my gun. The one is for shooting and > > the > > > other for fun " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > yeah....sounds already more peaceful > > > > > > Great, Marc, > > That means you feel more peaceful now. And just another step further > and you are peace. And then you no longer will see me with a rifle > but with a halo > > Werner in peace.....there is nothing but peace however you " name " it.....this doesn't make any change Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > > > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >The screen of consciousness becomes > translucent > > > and > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > > > > > > >of the theater is seen ...in Its sparkling > ever- > > > > > > > > newness....and > > > > > > > > > > > > >remembered as One's true abode. > > > > > > > > > > > > >The show continues......but it is no longer > > > > > personalized. > > > > > > > > > > > > >Most people leave the theater at the time of > > their > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > >death...........a few........ leave before > they > > > die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toombaru, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is only the theatre > > > > > > > > > > > > What we see outside > > > > > > > > > > > > Is a projection of our dreams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if a bullet comes flying > > > > > > > > > > > fron OUTSIDE and shmashes your head > > > > > > > > > > > then the dream is over. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, true.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a bullet take part of the dream...then the dream > > is > > > > > > > modified... > > > > > > > > > > but will never end....even in the case of a second > > > > > bullet..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I wanted to say with that bullet example was > that > > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > only the dream but also a phyisical reality one > cannot > > > deny > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > escape from with the help of philosophical contructs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That inner and outer physical reality which appears > as > > > > > contents > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > consciousness we are only indirectly conscious of via > > the > > > > > > sensual > > > > > > > > > apparatus and via the processes within the brain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These indirect conscious appearances of reality are > > what > > > we > > > > > > call > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...so if there were a " direct " consciousness of > > > > > this " appearances > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > reality " .....you think that one could " escape " the > > > bullet...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoming Superman and run away....faster as the > > bullets....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason one is " shut down " by a > > bullet ....is " indirect > > > > > > > > consciousness " ....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this questions you have put. And so you must answer > > them > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > would have been interesting to know your answers to this > > > > > > questions......because they are related to your concepts.... > > > > > > > > > > > > philosophie is not related to " bullets " ....in a direct > way.... > > > > > > it has to do with Life.....and " who " is dreaming to > > live " this > > > or > > > > > > that life " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > " bullets " aren't indeed an interesting factor to " escape " > > > > > reality.... > > > > > > > > > > > > even if some ignorant entities are playing around > > with " bullets " > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: i hope you don't have a gun > > > > > > > > > > > > Reminds me of soldier who called his rifle a gun. As a sanction > > he > > > > had to undress and whenever a person was passing he had show > his > > > > rifle and then to point at his dick and to yell: > > > > > > > > " This is my rifle and that is my gun. The one is for shooting > and > > > the > > > > other for fun " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > yeah....sounds already more peaceful > > > > > > > > > > Great, Marc, > > > > That means you feel more peaceful now. And just another step further > > and you are peace. And then you no longer will see me with a rifle > > but with a halo > > > > Werner > > > in peace.....there is nothing but peace > > however you " name " it.....this doesn't make any change > > Marc > > > No, there are also bullets smashing heads. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner > Woehr " > > > > > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The screen of consciousness becomes > > translucent > > > > and > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > > > > > > > >of the theater is seen ...in Its sparkling > > ever- > > > > > > > > > newness....and > > > > > > > > > > > > > >remembered as One's true abode. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The show continues......but it is no longer > > > > > > personalized. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Most people leave the theater at the time of > > > their > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > >death...........a few........ leave before > > they > > > > die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toombaru, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is only the theatre > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we see outside > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is a projection of our dreams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if a bullet comes flying > > > > > > > > > > > > fron OUTSIDE and shmashes your head > > > > > > > > > > > > then the dream is over. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, true.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a bullet take part of the dream...then the > dream > > > is > > > > > > > > modified... > > > > > > > > > > > but will never end....even in the case of a > second > > > > > > bullet..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I wanted to say with that bullet example was > > that > > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > only the dream but also a phyisical reality one > > cannot > > > > deny > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > escape from with the help of philosophical > contructs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That inner and outer physical reality which appears > > as > > > > > > contents > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > consciousness we are only indirectly conscious of > via > > > the > > > > > > > sensual > > > > > > > > > > apparatus and via the processes within the brain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These indirect conscious appearances of reality are > > > what > > > > we > > > > > > > call > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...so if there were a " direct " consciousness of > > > > > > this " appearances > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > reality " .....you think that one could " escape " the > > > > bullet...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoming Superman and run away....faster as the > > > bullets....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason one is " shut down " by a > > > bullet ....is " indirect > > > > > > > > > consciousness " ....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this questions you have put. And so you must answer > > > them > > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would have been interesting to know your answers to this > > > > > > > questions......because they are related to your > concepts.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > philosophie is not related to " bullets " ....in a direct > > way.... > > > > > > > it has to do with Life.....and " who " is dreaming to > > > live " this > > > > or > > > > > > > that life " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " bullets " aren't indeed an interesting factor to " escape " > > > > > > reality.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if some ignorant entities are playing around > > > with " bullets " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: i hope you don't have a gun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reminds me of soldier who called his rifle a gun. As a > sanction > > > he > > > > > had to undress and whenever a person was passing he had show > > his > > > > > rifle and then to point at his dick and to yell: > > > > > > > > > > " This is my rifle and that is my gun. The one is for shooting > > and > > > > the > > > > > other for fun " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah....sounds already more peaceful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great, Marc, > > > > > > That means you feel more peaceful now. And just another step > further > > > and you are peace. And then you no longer will see me with a > rifle > > > but with a halo > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > in peace.....there is nothing but peace > > > > however you " name " it.....this doesn't make any change > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > No, there are also bullets smashing heads. > > Werner sure that you are (in) peace?.... Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2006 The Bullet Example Here's an old story. A man's guru told him everything is God and the man believed it. One day a wild elephant came charging at the man. The elephant's trainer said, " Get out of the way, the elephant has gone mad " . The man said to himself, " I'm God, the elephant is God, everything is God " and stood his ground. The man wakes up in the hospital. His guru asks him, " Why didn't you get out of the way? " The man says, " But you told me everything is God " . " Yes " , replied the guru, " but the elephant trainer who told you to get out of the way, he is also God " . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar wrote: > > The Bullet Example > > Here's an old story. A man's guru told him everything is God and the > man believed it. One day a wild elephant came charging at the man. The > elephant's trainer said, " Get out of the way, the elephant has gone > mad " . The man said to himself, " I'm God, the elephant is God, > everything is God " and stood his ground. > > The man wakes up in the hospital. His guru asks him, " Why didn't you > get out of the way? " The man says, " But you told me everything is > God " . " Yes " , replied the guru, " but the elephant trainer who told you > to get out of the way, he is also God " . ....so there is a chance that " bullets " haven't the last word.... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >The screen of consciousness becomes translucent > > and > > > > Life > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > > > > > >of the theater is seen ...in Its sparkling ever- > > > > > > > newness....and > > > > > > > > > > > >remembered as One's true abode. > > > > > > > > > > > >The show continues......but it is no longer > > > > personalized. > > > > > > > > > > > >Most people leave the theater at the time of > their > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > >death...........a few........ leave before they > > die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toombaru, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is only the theatre > > > > > > > > > > > What we see outside > > > > > > > > > > > Is a projection of our dreams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if a bullet comes flying > > > > > > > > > > fron OUTSIDE and shmashes your head > > > > > > > > > > then the dream is over. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, true.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a bullet take part of the dream...then the dream > is > > > > > > modified... > > > > > > > > > but will never end....even in the case of a second > > > > bullet..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I wanted to say with that bullet example was that > > > there > > > > is > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > only the dream but also a phyisical reality one cannot > > deny > > > > and > > > > > > > > escape from with the help of philosophical contructs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That inner and outer physical reality which appears as > > > > contents > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > consciousness we are only indirectly conscious of via > the > > > > > sensual > > > > > > > > apparatus and via the processes within the brain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These indirect conscious appearances of reality are > what > > we > > > > > call > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...so if there were a " direct " consciousness of > > > > this " appearances > > > > > > of > > > > > > > reality " .....you think that one could " escape " the > > bullet...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoming Superman and run away....faster as the > bullets....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason one is " shut down " by a > bullet ....is " indirect > > > > > > > consciousness " ....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > All this questions you have put. And so you must answer > them > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner, > > > > > > > > > > would have been interesting to know your answers to this > > > > > questions......because they are related to your concepts.... > > > > > > > > > > philosophie is not related to " bullets " ....in a direct way.... > > > > > it has to do with Life.....and " who " is dreaming to > live " this > > or > > > > > that life " .... > > > > > > > > > > " bullets " aren't indeed an interesting factor to " escape " > > > > reality.... > > > > > > > > > > even if some ignorant entities are playing around > with " bullets " > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: i hope you don't have a gun > > > > > > > > > Reminds me of soldier who called his rifle a gun. As a sanction > he > > > had to undress and whenever a person was passing he had show his > > > rifle and then to point at his dick and to yell: > > > > > > " This is my rifle and that is my gun. The one is for shooting and > > the > > > other for fun " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > yeah....sounds already more peaceful > > > > > > Great, Marc, > > That means you feel more peaceful now. And just another step further > and you are peace. And then you no longer will see me with a rifle > but with a halo > > Werner > Well, Werner, I for one, wouldn't go quite that far.... wink. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner > Woehr " > > > > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >The screen of consciousness becomes > translucent > > > and > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > > > > > > >of the theater is seen ...in Its sparkling > ever- > > > > > > > > newness....and > > > > > > > > > > > > >remembered as One's true abode. > > > > > > > > > > > > >The show continues......but it is no longer > > > > > personalized. > > > > > > > > > > > > >Most people leave the theater at the time of > > their > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > >death...........a few........ leave before > they > > > die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toombaru, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is only the theatre > > > > > > > > > > > > What we see outside > > > > > > > > > > > > Is a projection of our dreams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if a bullet comes flying > > > > > > > > > > > fron OUTSIDE and shmashes your head > > > > > > > > > > > then the dream is over. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, true.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a bullet take part of the dream...then the > dream > > is > > > > > > > modified... > > > > > > > > > > but will never end....even in the case of a second > > > > > bullet..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I wanted to say with that bullet example was > that > > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > only the dream but also a phyisical reality one > cannot > > > deny > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > escape from with the help of philosophical contructs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That inner and outer physical reality which appears > as > > > > > contents > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > consciousness we are only indirectly conscious of > via > > the > > > > > > sensual > > > > > > > > > apparatus and via the processes within the brain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These indirect conscious appearances of reality are > > what > > > we > > > > > > call > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...so if there were a " direct " consciousness of > > > > > this " appearances > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > reality " .....you think that one could " escape " the > > > bullet...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoming Superman and run away....faster as the > > bullets....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason one is " shut down " by a > > bullet ....is " indirect > > > > > > > > consciousness " ....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this questions you have put. And so you must answer > > them > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > would have been interesting to know your answers to this > > > > > > questions......because they are related to your > concepts.... > > > > > > > > > > > > philosophie is not related to " bullets " ....in a direct > way.... > > > > > > it has to do with Life.....and " who " is dreaming to > > live " this > > > or > > > > > > that life " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > " bullets " aren't indeed an interesting factor to " escape " > > > > > reality.... > > > > > > > > > > > > even if some ignorant entities are playing around > > with " bullets " > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: i hope you don't have a gun > > > > > > > > > > > > Reminds me of soldier who called his rifle a gun. As a > sanction > > he > > > > had to undress and whenever a person was passing he had show > his > > > > rifle and then to point at his dick and to yell: > > > > > > > > " This is my rifle and that is my gun. The one is for shooting > and > > > the > > > > other for fun " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > yeah....sounds already more peaceful > > > > > > > > > > Great, Marc, > > > > That means you feel more peaceful now. And just another step > further > > and you are peace. And then you no longer will see me with a rifle > > but with a halo > > > > Werner > > > > > Well, Werner, I for one, wouldn't go quite that far.... > > wink. > Wink wink, Ana, I will tell you, it was about 35 years ago when making a walk with a friend I suddenly saw all passing people with a halo, everyone's body was radiating immense light and I said to my friend " Wow, look at those people, look, look, they are all gods " . But my friend didn't share my excitement and she menat that I am crazy. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner > > Woehr " > > > > > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The screen of consciousness becomes > > translucent > > > > and > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > > > > > > > >of the theater is seen ...in Its sparkling > > ever- > > > > > > > > > newness....and > > > > > > > > > > > > > >remembered as One's true abode. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The show continues......but it is no longer > > > > > > personalized. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Most people leave the theater at the time of > > > their > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > >death...........a few........ leave before > > they > > > > die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toombaru, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is only the theatre > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we see outside > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is a projection of our dreams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if a bullet comes flying > > > > > > > > > > > > fron OUTSIDE and shmashes your head > > > > > > > > > > > > then the dream is over. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, true.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a bullet take part of the dream...then the > > dream > > > is > > > > > > > > modified... > > > > > > > > > > > but will never end....even in the case of a > second > > > > > > bullet..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I wanted to say with that bullet example was > > that > > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > only the dream but also a phyisical reality one > > cannot > > > > deny > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > escape from with the help of philosophical > contructs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That inner and outer physical reality which appears > > as > > > > > > contents > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > consciousness we are only indirectly conscious of > > via > > > the > > > > > > > sensual > > > > > > > > > > apparatus and via the processes within the brain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These indirect conscious appearances of reality are > > > what > > > > we > > > > > > > call > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...so if there were a " direct " consciousness of > > > > > > this " appearances > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > reality " .....you think that one could " escape " the > > > > bullet...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoming Superman and run away....faster as the > > > bullets....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason one is " shut down " by a > > > bullet ....is " indirect > > > > > > > > > consciousness " ....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this questions you have put. And so you must answer > > > them > > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would have been interesting to know your answers to this > > > > > > > questions......because they are related to your > > concepts.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > philosophie is not related to " bullets " ....in a direct > > way.... > > > > > > > it has to do with Life.....and " who " is dreaming to > > > live " this > > > > or > > > > > > > that life " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " bullets " aren't indeed an interesting factor to " escape " > > > > > > reality.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if some ignorant entities are playing around > > > with " bullets " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: i hope you don't have a gun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reminds me of soldier who called his rifle a gun. As a > > sanction > > > he > > > > > had to undress and whenever a person was passing he had show > > his > > > > > rifle and then to point at his dick and to yell: > > > > > > > > > > " This is my rifle and that is my gun. The one is for shooting > > and > > > > the > > > > > other for fun " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah....sounds already more peaceful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great, Marc, > > > > > > That means you feel more peaceful now. And just another step > > further > > > and you are peace. And then you no longer will see me with a > rifle > > > but with a halo > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Well, Werner, I for one, wouldn't go quite that far.... > > > > wink. > > > > Wink wink, Ana, > > I will tell you, it was about 35 years ago when making a walk with a > friend I suddenly saw all passing people with a halo, everyone's body > was radiating immense light and I said to my friend " Wow, look at > those people, look, look, they are all gods " . But my friend didn't > share my excitement and she menat that I am crazy. > > Werner in peace....everything is exchange of light... in fights....everything is also an exchange of light.... to see the light....is to be in peace with what realy Is... means light Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > > > Wink wink, Ana, > > > > I will tell you, it was about 35 years ago when making a walk with > a > > friend I suddenly saw all passing people with a halo, everyone's > body > > was radiating immense light and I said to my friend " Wow, look at > > those people, look, look, they are all gods " . But my friend didn't > > share my excitement and she menat that I am crazy. > > > > Werner > > > in peace....everything is exchange of light... > > in fights....everything is also an exchange of light.... > > to see the light....is to be in peace with what realy Is... > > means light > > > Marc > > > Marc, Nice easy-going slogans: Peace is all there is, you are God, everything is the expression of the Divine, evetything is energy, everything is the exchange of light. All just slogans, bombasticisms, great words inhererited from books, teachers and gurus. Because I do not believe in all these spooky things, my explanation for that strange experience I had and wrote of: It was a halluzination. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Wink wink, Ana, > > > > > > I will tell you, it was about 35 years ago when making a walk > with > > a > > > friend I suddenly saw all passing people with a halo, everyone's > > body > > > was radiating immense light and I said to my friend " Wow, look at > > > those people, look, look, they are all gods " . But my friend > didn't > > > share my excitement and she menat that I am crazy. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > in peace....everything is exchange of light... > > > > in fights....everything is also an exchange of light.... > > > > to see the light....is to be in peace with what realy Is... > > > > means light > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Marc, > > Nice easy-going slogans: > > Peace is all there is, you are God, everything is the expression of > the Divine, evetything is energy, everything is the exchange of > light. All just slogans, bombasticisms, great words inhererited from > books, teachers and gurus. > > Because I do not believe in all these spooky things, my explanation > for that strange experience I had and wrote of: It was a > halluzination. > > Werner yes Werner... many halluzination....except this your " bullets " ....? Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 11, 2006 On Oct 11, 2006, at 3:57 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > Wink wink, Ana, > > I will tell you, it was about 35 years ago when making a walk with a > friend I suddenly saw all passing people with a halo, everyone's body > was radiating immense light and I said to my friend " Wow, look at > those people, look, look, they are all gods " . But my friend didn't > share my excitement and she menat that I am crazy. > > Werner > P; Were you on drugs at the time? Notice that the halo image was implanted in your mind by Christian iconography. If you have been an Amazon river native, you would have seen them with a tiara of jaguar teeth on their heads. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > > On Oct 11, 2006, at 3:57 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > > Wink wink, Ana, > > > > I will tell you, it was about 35 years ago when making a walk with a > > friend I suddenly saw all passing people with a halo, everyone's body > > was radiating immense light and I said to my friend " Wow, look at > > those people, look, look, they are all gods " . But my friend didn't > > share my excitement and she menat that I am crazy. > > > > Werner > > > > P; Were you on drugs at the time? Notice that the halo image > was implanted in your mind by Christian iconography. If > you have been an Amazon river native, you would have > seen them with a tiara of jaguar teeth on their heads. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
