Guest guest Report post Posted October 4, 2006 Both Hur, and Toomb are right. Nis' wisdom is priceless, and Nis' ashes are worthless. Devotion is an emotion useful until the the division of good and bad, and me and the other are transcended. In complete nonduality, devotion, is narcissism. Pete Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > it takes a little more effort...but rewards can be longer lasting? > > > promised by whom? toomy the cyber guru for better and faster > method > > > of what? > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind searches outside of itself to alleviate the accumulated tension > > of identification. > > It creates gods and gurus to beseech and adore. > > What I am saying is that when focused on things outside......the > true > > glory and mystery of just being remains clouded over. > > > > The adoration of the guru is misplaced. > > > > When the eyes of the guru are seen in the grandchild.....in the > street > > urchin......in the grocery clerk.....and in the mirror......all > ideas > > of adoring any-thing....or any-one.....become a cleverly desguised > > attempt to continue the imaginary separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you also say that, " Speculating on the behavior of another > human... > > > only leads one only deeper into the labyrinth of the dream. " isn't > > > calling the devotion speculating behavior? it seems > you're " guilty " > > > of what you're accusing others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > I did not see that until now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > although i started this group out of love for maharaj, it's not a > > > requirement to be a member but it certainly would give you an > insight > > > into my motivation for action whether you call this devotion a > > > delusion or not. > > > > > > > > The entity is always unable to see its own 'motivation'. > > (only because it doesn't have one). > > > > I have read and re-read everything that I could find that came > through > > Maharaj. > > > > They have been....and continue to be....... a warm river flowing > > through this life. > > > > I adore their source......but not the mouth that spoke them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't get me wrong toomy, you're welcome to post here and your > views > > > can be entertaining just as the next joe/jane's views... > > > > > > as for the delusion of devotion, it's a beautiful love affair > while > > > it lasts and anyone is lucky to have it. > > > > > > > > > > A love affair requires two. > > > > Love is the last......and most difficult......illusion to evaporate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perspective which may even show the delusion of devotion itself > but > > > one is lucky to experience it in the so called dream till the > ideas > > > of the guru, me and devotion all turn into mashed potatos and one > > > goes around saying crazy things like, " all there is ...is mashed > > > potatos. " in the summer it's better to say " all there is...is ice > > > cream " since mashed potatos is on the winter menu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Devotion is a stage that lasts until unicity is > experienced............. > > > > ......where it disappears within the majesty of the moment. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Wish I could witness that delusional bubble burst of your learned > wisdom. > As long as you persist in attacking the concept that you have of this toombaru fellow......you are lost in a hall of mirrors. Do you have anything to add to the discussion on gurus? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > Both Hur, and Toomb are right. > Nis' wisdom is priceless, and Nis' > ashes are worthless. Devotion > is an emotion useful until the > the division of good and bad, > and me and the other are > transcended. In complete > nonduality, devotion, is narcissism. > > Pete > Falling in love with OneSelf is the great taboo, eh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > No one seems up to discussing the concept 'devotion is delusion'. > > " Devotion " .....in any form can only be directed to someone or > something that is imagined to be on the outside of the delusional > psychological center. Devotion away from the center can tend towards love. Stretched far and wide enough, the tether to the center broken, the imaginings rendered transparent and harmless. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " ericlonline " <ericlonline wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > No one seems up to discussing the concept 'devotion is delusion'. > > > > " Devotion " .....in any form can only be directed to someone or > > something that is imagined to be on the outside of the delusional > > psychological center. > > > Devotion away from the center > can tend towards love. Stretched > far and wide enough, the tether > to the center broken, the imaginings > rendered transparent and harmless. > Devotion is always away from the center. The center is always empty. ..........as the swirling mnemonic dream-debris collapses into itself.....the emptiness prevails...... the swirling continues.......but now...............IT is all swirling on the inside. Can that be shared? No..........it cannot. For one very good reason. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > Both Hur, and Toomb are right. > Nis' wisdom is priceless, and Nis' > ashes are worthless. Devotion > is an emotion useful until the > the division of good and bad, > and me and the other are > transcended. In complete > nonduality, devotion, is narcissism. > > Pete > Complete nonduality is complete narcissism; the most open and welcoming of narcissisms. Rubiolio Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: >Mind searches outside of itself to alleviate the accumulated tension >of identification. It creates gods and gurus to beseech and adore. >What I am saying is that when focused on things outside......the true >glory and mystery of just being remains clouded over. The adoration >of the guru is misplaced. Hi Toombaru, are you not aware that by the same reason you call those " things outside " delusional you have to call " true glory and mystery of just being " delusional as well? To me it seems you have made " just being " your god and " delusion " your devil. This way you can - like a real missioner - hammer on everybodys head (since every opinion is delusion!). But this way you are also hammering on your own head, because all you can offer are again only opinions. Even if something could be called " true " it would instantly lose its truth by praising it as opposed to " un-true " . When " unity " is praised as opposed to " duality " it is not unity anymore. To me, when the insight into the delusional nature of all perception dawned, I found that the potential to enjoy existence started to grow. " Delusional " ceased to be a " no-no word " . It simply became a description of how things are, not sooo important, after all. I have deepest respect for any ones delusional world, I know something about the struggle and suffering involved. I have to start from there, because how can something non-delusional be verbalized? To say to someone " what you say is delusional " is like saying " what you say is what you say " . So what? The very base of our communication is delusion. You wrote: >Devotion is a stage that lasts until unicity is experienced where >disappears within the majesty of the moment Toomb, this sounds really glorious and wonderful, but... there is no " majesty " in any moment, it cannot be. There is simply no space. All those attributes are made up by our fantasies as desperate attempts to escape the unescapable. All the best Stefan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > No one seems up to discussing the concept 'devotion is delusion'. > > > > > > " Devotion " .....in any form can only be directed to someone or > > > something that is imagined to be on the outside of the delusional > > > psychological center. > > Devotion away from the center > > can tend towards love. Stretched > > far and wide enough, the tether > > to the center broken, the imaginings > > rendered transparent and harmless. > Devotion is always away from the center. > > The center is always empty. Indeed. The tether snaps... ..........as the swirling mnemonic dream-debris collapses into > itself.....the emptiness prevails...... the swirling > continues.......but now...............IT is all swirling on the inside. ....the devotion (love) has been ful-filled. > Can that be shared? Talked about? > No..........it cannot. > > > For one very good reason. > > > > > toombaru > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > >Mind searches outside of itself to alleviate the accumulated tension > >of identification. It creates gods and gurus to beseech and adore. > >What I am saying is that when focused on things outside......the true > >glory and mystery of just being remains clouded over. The adoration > >of the guru is misplaced. > > > Hi Toombaru, > > are you not aware that by the same reason you call those " things > outside " delusional you have to call " true glory and mystery of just > being " delusional as well? One doesn't have to quess which 'thoughts' are delusional........they all are. Thoughts are about 'things' which exist only within the conceptual mentation of man. Are these thought delusional? Yes........but they point to the non-delusional. Nisargadatta means 'natural'. That is a pointing. > > To me it seems you have made " just being " your god and " delusion " your > devil. Conceptual mentation creates an overlay that some call the 'dream'. The sages speak of a 'naturalness' just beyond...and incompassing... the conceptual overlay. You remember...........don't you?......the Naturalness into which you were born. That's why you are here. Most people have never heard of Nisargadatta. Very few are brave enough to ponder the possibility of their own personal-emptiness. Fewer ever face the wind.....and are willing to look upon the face of God. This way you can - like a real missioner - hammer on everybodys > head (since every opinion is delusion!). The walls that surround the imaginary kingdom inhabited by the identified entity are well defended and fortified. They are eons thick.......and most often crumble only with the most vigorous assault. But this way you are also > hammering on your own head, because all you can offer are again only > opinions. Indeed. All Nisargadatta offered was opinions. All Ramana offered was opinions. All Christ offered was opinions. There is nothin else in the swirling mnemonic debris that makes up an identified entity. Toombaru is always and only attacking his own walls. He could care less about that walls of the assumed 'others'. > > Even if something could be called " true " it would instantly lose its > truth by praising it as opposed to " un-true " . When " unity " is praised > as opposed to " duality " it is not unity anymore. > > To me, when the insight into the delusional nature of all perception > dawned, I found that the potential to enjoy existence started to grow. > " Delusional " ceased to be a " no-no word " . It simply became a > description of how things are, not sooo important, after all. I agree. > > I have deepest respect for any ones delusional world, I know something > about the struggle and suffering involved. I have to start from there, > because how can something non-delusional be verbalized? To say to > someone " what you say is delusional " is like saying " what you say is > what you say " . So what? The very base of our communication is delusion. Everything within the dream of separation is delusional. .............and the dream is the only place where the search for the non-delusional can occur. Quite a conundrum eh? There is an 'understanding' in which the whole catastrophy collapses into an open field......and the 'problem' is seen as a multilayered delusional dream. The edges dissappear......mountains melt back into the earth.....one can no longer tell the difference between rivers and rain...everywhere One looks.......It sees ItsSelf smiling back.......and some Ever-Newness breaks out of its shell.......into a Whole-New world. and One wonders........Why on earth.... did I not see This before? > > You wrote: > >Devotion is a stage that lasts until unicity is experienced where > >disappears within the majesty of the moment > > Toomb, this sounds really glorious and wonderful, but... there is no > " majesty " in any moment, it cannot be. There is simply no space. All > those attributes are made up by our fantasies as desperate attempts to > escape the unescapable. And yet this breathless-majesty permeates this room....this Life. There is presently great turmoil in this family.......and yet...looking out from these eyes......the most glorious-sparkling.....a certain fearlessness.....steps up to the front lines.......holds the flag aloft........and whispers: " Yes " . > > All the best > Stefan > You are always the best.........always have been. :-) toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > >Mind searches outside of itself to alleviate the accumulated tension > >of identification. It creates gods and gurus to beseech and adore. > >What I am saying is that when focused on things outside......the true > >glory and mystery of just being remains clouded over. The adoration > >of the guru is misplaced. > > > Hi Toombaru, > > are you not aware that by the same reason you call those " things > outside " delusional you have to call " true glory and mystery of just > being " delusional as well? > > To me it seems you have made " just being " your god and " delusion " your > devil. This way you can - like a real missioner - hammer on everybodys > head (since every opinion is delusion!). But this way you are also > hammering on your own head, because all you can offer are again only > opinions. > > Even if something could be called " true " it would instantly lose its > truth by praising it as opposed to " un-true " . When " unity " is praised > as opposed to " duality " it is not unity anymore. > > To me, when the insight into the delusional nature of all perception > dawned, I found that the potential to enjoy existence started to grow. > " Delusional " ceased to be a " no-no word " . It simply became a > description of how things are, not sooo important, after all. > > I have deepest respect for any ones delusional world, I know something > about the struggle and suffering involved. I have to start from there, > because how can something non-delusional be verbalized? To say to > someone " what you say is delusional " is like saying " what you say is > what you say " . So what? The very base of our communication is delusion. > > You wrote: > >Devotion is a stage that lasts until unicity is experienced where > >disappears within the majesty of the moment > > Toomb, this sounds really glorious and wonderful, but... there is no > " majesty " in any moment, it cannot be. There is simply no space. All > those attributes are made up by our fantasies as desperate attempts to > escape the unescapable. > > All the best > Stefan > all words get in the way... unless I am is the way to cross on over to the other side: to fall madly in love with 'you'. yet there is no escape once one decides to be free and return to the Beloved. we decide, who, when and where... In my over-active imagination, in either case. ;-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2006 > > > Can that be shared? > > > Talked about? .........I am a deaf mute.......attempting to tell you how beautiful my lover is by drawing her face on the river............ toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > > Can that be shared? > > > > > > Talked about? > > ........I am a deaf mute.......attempting to tell you how beautiful my > lover is by drawing her face on the river............ Maybe I shouldn't tell you then!? Your lover has always been my lover. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: >...but they point to the non-delusional. A dream figure, sailing in a dream ship can only point to a dreamed shore >You remember... don't you?... the Naturalness into which you >were born. All I can remember is a stream of experiencing, essentially not different from now >...and the dream is the only place where the search for the >non-delusional can occur. It occurs only as long someone thinks something has to be changed Yes :-) S. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " ericlonline " <ericlonline wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Can that be shared? > > > > > > > > > Talked about? > > > > > > > ........I am a deaf mute.......attempting to tell you how > beautiful my > > lover is by drawing her face on the river............ > > > > > Maybe I shouldn't tell you then!? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your lover has always been my lover. Consciousness laughing out loud. The sun just broke through the clouds at the top of Strawberry Canyon. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > >...but they point to the non-delusional. > > A dream figure, sailing in a dream ship can only point to a dreamed shore > > >You remember... don't you?... the Naturalness into which you > >were born. > > All I can remember is a stream of experiencing, essentially not > different from now > > >...and the dream is the only place where the search for the > >non-delusional can occur. > > It occurs only as long someone thinks something has to be changed > > Yes :-) > S. > It occurs only as long as there is a someone who thinks that there is a someone who is doing the thinking. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > >...but they point to the non-delusional. > > > > A dream figure, sailing in a dream ship can only point to a dreamed > shore > > > > >You remember... don't you?... the Naturalness into which you > > >were born. > > > > All I can remember is a stream of experiencing, essentially not > > different from now > > > > >...and the dream is the only place where the search for the > > >non-delusional can occur. > > > > It occurs only as long someone thinks something has to be changed > > > > Yes :-) > > S. > > > > > > It occurs only as long as there is a someone who thinks that there is > a someone who is doing the thinking. > > > > > toombaru > Or as long there's someone telling us that there's someone doing the thinking. Its getting more crowded in that hall of mirrors by the day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > >...but they point to the non-delusional. > > > > > > A dream figure, sailing in a dream ship can only point to a > dreamed > > shore > > > > > > >You remember... don't you?... the Naturalness into which you > > > >were born. > > > > > > All I can remember is a stream of experiencing, essentially not > > > different from now > > > > > > >...and the dream is the only place where the search for the > > > >non-delusional can occur. > > > > > > It occurs only as long someone thinks something has to be changed > > > > > > Yes :-) > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > > It occurs only as long as there is a someone who thinks that there > is > > a someone who is doing the thinking. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Or as long there's someone telling us that there's someone doing the > thinking. > > Its getting more crowded in that hall of mirrors by the day. > When mirrors talk to each other......they speak of reflections. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >...but they point to the non-delusional. > > > > > > > > A dream figure, sailing in a dream ship can only point to a > > dreamed > > > shore > > > > > > > > >You remember... don't you?... the Naturalness into which you > > > > >were born. > > > > > > > > All I can remember is a stream of experiencing, essentially not > > > > different from now > > > > > > > > >...and the dream is the only place where the search for the > > > > >non-delusional can occur. > > > > > > > > It occurs only as long someone thinks something has to be changed > > > > > > > > Yes :-) > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It occurs only as long as there is a someone who thinks that there > > is > > > a someone who is doing the thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > Or as long there's someone telling us that there's someone doing the > > thinking. > > > > Its getting more crowded in that hall of mirrors by the day. > > > > > > When mirrors talk to each other......they speak of reflections. > > > > toombaru > Talking mirrors, speaking of reflections? For a moment I thought you would have been the only one who could have told us why we can't see ourselves in the mirror. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >...but they point to the non-delusional. > > > > > > > > > > A dream figure, sailing in a dream ship can only point to a > > > dreamed > > > > shore > > > > > > > > > > >You remember... don't you?... the Naturalness into which you > > > > > >were born. > > > > > > > > > > All I can remember is a stream of experiencing, essentially > not > > > > > different from now > > > > > > > > > > >...and the dream is the only place where the search for the > > > > > >non-delusional can occur. > > > > > > > > > > It occurs only as long someone thinks something has to be > changed > > > > > > > > > > Yes :-) > > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It occurs only as long as there is a someone who thinks that > there > > > is > > > > a someone who is doing the thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Or as long there's someone telling us that there's someone doing > the > > > thinking. > > > > > > Its getting more crowded in that hall of mirrors by the day. > > > > > > > > > > > When mirrors talk to each other......they speak of reflections. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Talking mirrors, speaking of reflections? > > For a moment I thought you would have been the only one who could > have told us why we can't see ourselves in the mirror. " You " can never see anything. toombaru > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >...but they point to the non-delusional. > > > > > > > > > > > > A dream figure, sailing in a dream ship can only point to a > > > > dreamed > > > > > shore > > > > > > > > > > > > >You remember... don't you?... the Naturalness into which you > > > > > > >were born. > > > > > > > > > > > > All I can remember is a stream of experiencing, essentially > > not > > > > > > different from now > > > > > > > > > > > > >...and the dream is the only place where the search for the > > > > > > >non-delusional can occur. > > > > > > > > > > > > It occurs only as long someone thinks something has to be > > changed > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes :-) > > > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It occurs only as long as there is a someone who thinks that > > there > > > > is > > > > > a someone who is doing the thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or as long there's someone telling us that there's someone doing > > the > > > > thinking. > > > > > > > > Its getting more crowded in that hall of mirrors by the day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When mirrors talk to each other......they speak of reflections. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > Talking mirrors, speaking of reflections? > > > > For a moment I thought you would have been the only one who could > > have told us why we can't see ourselves in the mirror. > > > > > " You " can never see anything. > > > toombaru > > > Wrong answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > <s.petersilge@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >...but they point to the non-delusional. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A dream figure, sailing in a dream ship can only point to > a > > > > > dreamed > > > > > > shore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You remember... don't you?... the Naturalness into which > you > > > > > > > >were born. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All I can remember is a stream of experiencing, > essentially > > > not > > > > > > > different from now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >...and the dream is the only place where the search for > the > > > > > > > >non-delusional can occur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It occurs only as long someone thinks something has to be > > > changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes :-) > > > > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It occurs only as long as there is a someone who thinks > that > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > a someone who is doing the thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or as long there's someone telling us that there's someone > doing > > > the > > > > > thinking. > > > > > > > > > > Its getting more crowded in that hall of mirrors by the day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When mirrors talk to each other......they speak of reflections. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Talking mirrors, speaking of reflections? > > > > > > For a moment I thought you would have been the only one who could > > > have told us why we can't see ourselves in the mirror. > > > > > > > > > > " You " can never see anything. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Wrong answer. > Ok.........One more try: Because there isn't one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: >...but they point to the non-delusional. A dream figure, sailing in a dream ship can only point to a dreamed shore >You remember... don't you?... the Naturalness into which you >were born. All I can remember is a stream of experiencing, essentially not different from now >...and the dream is the only place where the search for the >non-delusional can occur. It occurs only as long someone thinks something has to be changed Yes :-) S. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > >...but they point to the non-delusional. > > A dream figure, sailing in a dream ship can only point to a dreamed shore > > >You remember... don't you?... the Naturalness into which you > >were born. > > All I can remember is a stream of experiencing, essentially not > different from now > > >...and the dream is the only place where the search for the > >non-delusional can occur. > > It occurs only as long someone thinks something has to be changed > > Yes :-) > S. > There is an understanding........in which the whole structure collapses of its own weight. The 'someone thinking' becomes the thinking itself. The screen of consciousness becomes translucent and Life just outside of the theater is seen ...in Its sparkling ever-newness....and remembered as One's true abode. The show continues......but it is no longer personalized. Most people leave the theater at the time of their physical death...........a few........ leave before they die. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " ericlonline " <ericlonline@> > wrote: > > > Your lover has always been my lover. > Consciousness laughing out loud. > > > > > The sun just broke through the clouds at the top of Strawberry Canyon. (-: | :-) All in fun! P & L e Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: >The screen of consciousness becomes translucent and Life just outside >of the theater is seen ...in Its sparkling ever-newness....and >remembered as One's true abode. >The show continues......but it is no longer personalized. >Most people leave the theater at the time of their physical >death...........a few........ leave before they die. Toombaru, There is only the theatre What we see outside Is a projection of our dreams We search outside Where nothing can be found Because we love searching So much! The theatre is all No outside Everything is here Now One cannot leave Before one dies One dies When he leaves Greetings S. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
