Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking > > > oneself > > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > one is > > > > > > > > > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one > > is > > > > not > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > one could say that from the true Self there > is > > > > never > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought is hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ may west > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the true Self is not ignorant... > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance does not even exist... > > > > > > > > > > > it is just an illusion... > > > > > > > > > > > but bliss...is the pure being itself > > > > > > > > > > > and pure being knows nothing about ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > to say ignorance is bliss is just a way to take > > what > > > is > > > > > > > false to > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > true... > > > > > > > > > > > and to judge thought " hell " ...is to take one > > thought > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > > truer > > > > > > > > > > > than all other thoughts... > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " One Law for the Ox and Lion is Oppression. " > William > > > Blake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek not to establish a common language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it will only lead up the tower of Babel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self, true self > > > > > > > > > > false self, selfish, shell fish > > > > > > > > > > can mean anything > > > > > > > > > > so, too, ignorance and > > > > > > > > > > hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are just fingers pointing > > > > > > > > > > or, hands shaking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel the power of the grip, > > > > > > > > > > the size of the hand > > > > > > > > > > the temperature of the skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules are made to be broken > > > > > > > > > > definitions are made to be overtaken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance can be bliss > > > > > > > > > > or hell > > > > > > > > > > or warm > > > > > > > > > > or cold > > > > > > > > > > good or bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets mold the language > > > > > > > > > > nonduality is poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only hacks are molded by language > > > > > > > > > > duality is for hacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...is what you are saying ... > > > > > > > > > why not use words in a different meaning > > > > > > > > > let orange juice mean cow dung > > > > > > > > > and let good mean tall tree > > > > > > > > > whats the point with a language if one word never > means > > > the > > > > > > > same ? > > > > > > > > > whats the use of a sign saying " london turn right > then > > > > > 5km " ... > > > > > > > > > if it is not actuly trying to point london out at > all ? > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, you must be kidding! you are yourself a poet. > > > stop > > > > > this > > > > > > > > pretending! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets lives and dies by words... > > > > > > > I am not a poet...stop calling me things please... > > > > > > > or you could start taking me for what I am not... > > > > > > > this is not a medicine...but the open openness you are... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, a poet does not live or die by words. words are merely > > > > > vessels. > > > > > > nor is a poet a poet. a poet is openness. and openness is > > > made > > > > > > visible through poetry. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes but a poet is a poet because of the poetry... > > > > > and openness is nothing...and it is not because of anything > > that > > > > > openness is nothing...it is just openness... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > ....one need also have a heart for poets.... > > > > > > > > ...openness for every possible appearences.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart loves all...but it emphasize nothing... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > yes.....all are loved by the heart..... > > > > even if the mind want to love or don't want to love anybody/anything > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: the heart of all.....is love > > > > the love of all....is at home in the heart > > > > > > > > You both are stuck in a competition with each other babbling an > endless mix of what you have read and what you suppose that imagined > heart does, but that's all just little mind games of two pathetic > souls which don't want to stop with all that nonsense instead of > better doing something meaningful like cleaning their room or doing > the dishes. > > Werner LOL hey Guru Werner..... (so i suppose your dishes are clean and your room is too....) but thats great news! Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 aru > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is not there is no > > > ignorance... > > > one could say that from the true Self there is never ignorance... > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > ........as is the true self. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > ....there are nothing but thoughts....? > > > > > Marc > > > For the conceptual me.......there is nothing but thoughts. Things (including self) exist only in thought. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking > > > oneself > > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > one is > > > > > > > > > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one > > is > > > > not > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > one could say that from the true Self there > is > > > > never > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought is hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ may west > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the true Self is not ignorant... > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance does not even exist... > > > > > > > > > > > it is just an illusion... > > > > > > > > > > > but bliss...is the pure being itself > > > > > > > > > > > and pure being knows nothing about ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > to say ignorance is bliss is just a way to take > > what > > > is > > > > > > > false to > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > true... > > > > > > > > > > > and to judge thought " hell " ...is to take one > > thought > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > > truer > > > > > > > > > > > than all other thoughts... > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " One Law for the Ox and Lion is Oppression. " > William > > > Blake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek not to establish a common language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it will only lead up the tower of Babel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self, true self > > > > > > > > > > false self, selfish, shell fish > > > > > > > > > > can mean anything > > > > > > > > > > so, too, ignorance and > > > > > > > > > > hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are just fingers pointing > > > > > > > > > > or, hands shaking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel the power of the grip, > > > > > > > > > > the size of the hand > > > > > > > > > > the temperature of the skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules are made to be broken > > > > > > > > > > definitions are made to be overtaken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance can be bliss > > > > > > > > > > or hell > > > > > > > > > > or warm > > > > > > > > > > or cold > > > > > > > > > > good or bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets mold the language > > > > > > > > > > nonduality is poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only hacks are molded by language > > > > > > > > > > duality is for hacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...is what you are saying ... > > > > > > > > > why not use words in a different meaning > > > > > > > > > let orange juice mean cow dung > > > > > > > > > and let good mean tall tree > > > > > > > > > whats the point with a language if one word never > means > > > the > > > > > > > same ? > > > > > > > > > whats the use of a sign saying " london turn right > then > > > > > 5km " ... > > > > > > > > > if it is not actuly trying to point london out at > all ? > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, you must be kidding! you are yourself a poet. > > > stop > > > > > this > > > > > > > > pretending! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets lives and dies by words... > > > > > > > I am not a poet...stop calling me things please... > > > > > > > or you could start taking me for what I am not... > > > > > > > this is not a medicine...but the open openness you are... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, a poet does not live or die by words. words are merely > > > > > vessels. > > > > > > nor is a poet a poet. a poet is openness. and openness is > > > made > > > > > > visible through poetry. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes but a poet is a poet because of the poetry... > > > > > and openness is nothing...and it is not because of anything > > that > > > > > openness is nothing...it is just openness... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > ....one need also have a heart for poets.... > > > > > > > > ...openness for every possible appearences.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart loves all...but it emphasize nothing... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > yes.....all are loved by the heart..... > > > > even if the mind want to love or don't want to love anybody/anything > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: the heart of all.....is love > > > > the love of all....is at home in the heart > > > > > > > > You both are stuck in a competition with each other babbling an > endless mix of what you have read and what you suppose that imagined > heart does, but that's all just little mind games of two pathetic > souls which don't want to stop with all that nonsense instead of > better doing something meaningful like cleaning their room or doing > the dishes. > > Werner > its always funny with appearing wanna be " besserwissers " ...dont you agree werner? marc and iietsa are not in a competition with each other... follow the words without resistance and there is the chance of seeing ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > aru > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is not there is no > > > > ignorance... > > > > one could say that from the true Self there is never ignorance... > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........as is the true self. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > ....there are nothing but thoughts....? > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > For the conceptual me.......there is nothing but thoughts. > > > Things (including self) exist only in thought. > > > > > toombaru > yes...yes...and yes... and thought can be seen by pure awareness... and this seeing is not a thought... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > aru > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is not there is no > > > > ignorance... > > > > one could say that from the true Self there is never ignorance... > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........as is the true self. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > ....there are nothing but thoughts....? > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > For the conceptual me.......there is nothing but thoughts. > > > Things (including self) exist only in thought. > > > > > toombaru what is the " conceptual me " ....? is it " toombaru " ....? this would mean: " things (including conceptual me) exist only in thought.....yes? Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > aru > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is not there is > no > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > one could say that from the true Self there is never > ignorance... > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........as is the true self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > ....there are nothing but thoughts....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the conceptual me.......there is nothing but thoughts. > > > > > > Things (including self) exist only in thought. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > what is the " conceptual me " ....? > > is it " toombaru " ....? > > this would mean: " things (including conceptual me) exist only in > thought.....yes? > > Marc > > > yes ...iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > aru > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is not there > is no > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > one could say that from the true Self there is never > ignorance... > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........as is the true self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > ....there are nothing but thoughts....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the conceptual me.......there is nothing but thoughts. > > > > > > Things (including self) exist only in thought. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > yes...yes...and yes... > and thought can be seen by pure awareness... > and this seeing is not a thought... > ...iietsa this your statements ..... " thought can be seen by pure awareness... > and this seeing is not a thought " sounds clear...yes but i don't know if toombaru's heart/mind....could agree with it.... it would be nearly miraculous if toombaru would agree with.....thoughts.....only Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > aru > > > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is not there > is > > no > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > one could say that from the true Self there is never > > ignorance... > > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........as is the true self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > ....there are nothing but thoughts....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the conceptual me.......there is nothing but thoughts. > > > > > > > > > Things (including self) exist only in thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > what is the " conceptual me " ....? > > > > is it " toombaru " ....? > > > > this would mean: " things (including conceptual me) exist only in > > thought.....yes? > > > > Marc > > > > > > yes > ..iietsa yes.... .....it's just the " imaginary self " ....which exist.....in/by/of thoughts....only (discussed yesterday...) Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > aru > > > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is not there > > is no > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > one could say that from the true Self there is never > > ignorance... > > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........as is the true self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > ....there are nothing but thoughts....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the conceptual me.......there is nothing but thoughts. > > > > > > > > > Things (including self) exist only in thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > yes...yes...and yes... > > and thought can be seen by pure awareness... > > and this seeing is not a thought... > > ...iietsa > > > this your statements ..... " thought can be seen by pure awareness... > > and this seeing is not a thought " > > sounds clear...yes > > but i don't know if toombaru's heart/mind....could agree with it.... > > it would be nearly miraculous if toombaru would agree > with.....thoughts.....only > > > > > Marc Ps: i mean....that maybe for toombaru......words/messages....whatever is the meanings of....the subjects.... ....are " thoughts " only > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking oneself > to be > > > > > what > > > > > > > one is > > > > > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > > > > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is not > > > there > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > one could say that from the true Self there is never > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought is hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ may west > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the true Self is not ignorant... > > > > > > > ignorance does not even exist... > > > > > > > it is just an illusion... > > > > > > > but bliss...is the pure being itself > > > > > > > and pure being knows nothing about ignorance... > > > > > > > to say ignorance is bliss is just a way to take what is > > > false to > > > > > be > > > > > > > true... > > > > > > > and to judge thought " hell " ...is to take one thought to > be > > > truer > > > > > > > than all other thoughts... > > > > > > > iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " One Law for the Ox and Lion is Oppression. " William Blake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek not to establish a common language > > > > > > > > > > > > it will only lead up the tower of Babel > > > > > > > > > > > > self, true self > > > > > > false self, selfish, shell fish > > > > > > can mean anything > > > > > > so, too, ignorance and > > > > > > hell > > > > > > > > > > > > words are just fingers pointing > > > > > > or, hands shaking > > > > > > > > > > > > feel the power of the grip, > > > > > > the size of the hand > > > > > > the temperature of the skin > > > > > > > > > > > > rules are made to be broken > > > > > > definitions are made to be overtaken > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance can be bliss > > > > > > or hell > > > > > > or warm > > > > > > or cold > > > > > > good or bad > > > > > > > > > > > > poets mold the language > > > > > > nonduality is poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > only hacks are molded by language > > > > > > duality is for hacks > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...is what you are saying ... > > > > > why not use words in a different meaning > > > > > let orange juice mean cow dung > > > > > and let good mean tall tree > > > > > whats the point with a language if one word never means the > > > same ? > > > > > whats the use of a sign saying " london turn right then > 5km " ... > > > > > if it is not actuly trying to point london out at all ? > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, you must be kidding! you are yourself a poet. stop > this > > > > pretending! > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > poets lives and dies by words... > > > I am not a poet...stop calling me things please... > > > or you could start taking me for what I am not... > > > this is not a medicine...but the open openness you are... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > no, a poet does not live or die by words. words are merely > vessels. > > nor is a poet a poet. a poet is openness. and openness is made > > visible through poetry. > > > > ~*~ > > > > yes but a poet is a poet because of the poetry... > and openness is nothing...and it is not because of anything that > openness is nothing...it is just openness... > ...iietsa > yes but we've been agreeing all along ~*~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking > > > oneself > > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > one is > > > > > > > > > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one > > is > > > > not > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > one could say that from the true Self there > is > > > > never > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought is hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ may west > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the true Self is not ignorant... > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance does not even exist... > > > > > > > > > > > it is just an illusion... > > > > > > > > > > > but bliss...is the pure being itself > > > > > > > > > > > and pure being knows nothing about ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > to say ignorance is bliss is just a way to take > > what > > > is > > > > > > > false to > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > true... > > > > > > > > > > > and to judge thought " hell " ...is to take one > > thought > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > > truer > > > > > > > > > > > than all other thoughts... > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " One Law for the Ox and Lion is Oppression. " > William > > > Blake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek not to establish a common language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it will only lead up the tower of Babel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self, true self > > > > > > > > > > false self, selfish, shell fish > > > > > > > > > > can mean anything > > > > > > > > > > so, too, ignorance and > > > > > > > > > > hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are just fingers pointing > > > > > > > > > > or, hands shaking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel the power of the grip, > > > > > > > > > > the size of the hand > > > > > > > > > > the temperature of the skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules are made to be broken > > > > > > > > > > definitions are made to be overtaken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance can be bliss > > > > > > > > > > or hell > > > > > > > > > > or warm > > > > > > > > > > or cold > > > > > > > > > > good or bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets mold the language > > > > > > > > > > nonduality is poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only hacks are molded by language > > > > > > > > > > duality is for hacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...is what you are saying ... > > > > > > > > > why not use words in a different meaning > > > > > > > > > let orange juice mean cow dung > > > > > > > > > and let good mean tall tree > > > > > > > > > whats the point with a language if one word never > means > > > the > > > > > > > same ? > > > > > > > > > whats the use of a sign saying " london turn right > then > > > > > 5km " ... > > > > > > > > > if it is not actuly trying to point london out at > all ? > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, you must be kidding! you are yourself a poet. > > > stop > > > > > this > > > > > > > > pretending! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets lives and dies by words... > > > > > > > I am not a poet...stop calling me things please... > > > > > > > or you could start taking me for what I am not... > > > > > > > this is not a medicine...but the open openness you are... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, a poet does not live or die by words. words are merely > > > > > vessels. > > > > > > nor is a poet a poet. a poet is openness. and openness is > > > made > > > > > > visible through poetry. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes but a poet is a poet because of the poetry... > > > > > and openness is nothing...and it is not because of anything > > that > > > > > openness is nothing...it is just openness... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > ....one need also have a heart for poets.... > > > > > > > > ...openness for every possible appearences.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart loves all...but it emphasize nothing... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > yes.....all are loved by the heart..... > > > > even if the mind want to love or don't want to love anybody/anything > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: the heart of all.....is love > > > > the love of all....is at home in the heart > > > > > > > > You both are stuck in a competition with each other babbling an > endless mix of what you have read and what you suppose that imagined > heart does, but that's all just little mind games of two pathetic > souls which don't want to stop with all that nonsense instead of > better doing something meaningful like cleaning their room or doing > the dishes. > > Werner > you heard your mother, now get to work! ~ dad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > aru > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is not there is > no > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > one could say that from the true Self there is never > ignorance... > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........as is the true self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > ....there are nothing but thoughts....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the conceptual me.......there is nothing but thoughts. > > > > > > Things (including self) exist only in thought. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > what is the " conceptual me " ....? > > is it " toombaru " ....? > > this would mean: " things (including conceptual me) exist only in > thought.....yes? > > Marc > > > Thought cannot create anything....and yet things exist only within thought. The illusory self emerges from within the conceptual overlay......fortifies its imaginary kingdom.....lives out its allotted time...and then dissolves back into the swirling mystery that is its true abode. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > aru > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is not there > is no > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > one could say that from the true Self there is never > ignorance... > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........as is the true self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > ....there are nothing but thoughts....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the conceptual me.......there is nothing but thoughts. > > > > > > Things (including self) exist only in thought. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > yes...yes...and yes... > and thought can be seen by pure awareness... > and this seeing is not a thought... > ...iietsa > it feels like ...... it seems like ......... it sounds like ........... it tastes like ........... (love) but that doesn't mean it ISN'T........ .......love ~ Van Morrison Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > aru > > > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is not there is > > no > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > one could say that from the true Self there is never > > ignorance... > > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........as is the true self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > ....there are nothing but thoughts....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the conceptual me.......there is nothing but thoughts. > > > > > > > > > Things (including self) exist only in thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > what is the " conceptual me " ....? > > > > is it " toombaru " ....? > > > > this would mean: " things (including conceptual me) exist only in > > thought.....yes? > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Thought cannot create anything....and yet things exist only within > thought. yes... > > > > The illusory self emerges from within the conceptual > overlay......fortifies its imaginary kingdom.....lives out its > allotted time...and then dissolves back into the swirling mystery that > is its true abode. nice description.... there is, in reality, no " swirling mystery " ..... for reality.....there is no mystery.... one can very well live.....here...and now.....in this more or less movementated environment....in this for imaginary selfs " mysterious world " ......and having clear and pure mind and heart.... having absolutly nothing in common....with emotional, and evoluating dream-world-bubble(s) Marc > > > toombaru > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > <iietsa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking oneself > > to be > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > one is > > > > > > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is not > > > > there > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > one could say that from the true Self there is never > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought is hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ may west > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the true Self is not ignorant... > > > > > > > > ignorance does not even exist... > > > > > > > > it is just an illusion... > > > > > > > > but bliss...is the pure being itself > > > > > > > > and pure being knows nothing about ignorance... > > > > > > > > to say ignorance is bliss is just a way to take what is > > > > false to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > true... > > > > > > > > and to judge thought " hell " ...is to take one thought to > > be > > > > truer > > > > > > > > than all other thoughts... > > > > > > > > iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " One Law for the Ox and Lion is Oppression. " William Blake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek not to establish a common language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it will only lead up the tower of Babel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self, true self > > > > > > > false self, selfish, shell fish > > > > > > > can mean anything > > > > > > > so, too, ignorance and > > > > > > > hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are just fingers pointing > > > > > > > or, hands shaking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel the power of the grip, > > > > > > > the size of the hand > > > > > > > the temperature of the skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules are made to be broken > > > > > > > definitions are made to be overtaken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance can be bliss > > > > > > > or hell > > > > > > > or warm > > > > > > > or cold > > > > > > > good or bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets mold the language > > > > > > > nonduality is poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only hacks are molded by language > > > > > > > duality is for hacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...is what you are saying ... > > > > > > why not use words in a different meaning > > > > > > let orange juice mean cow dung > > > > > > and let good mean tall tree > > > > > > whats the point with a language if one word never means the > > > > same ? > > > > > > whats the use of a sign saying " london turn right then > > 5km " ... > > > > > > if it is not actuly trying to point london out at all ? > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, you must be kidding! you are yourself a poet. stop > > this > > > > > pretending! > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > poets lives and dies by words... > > > > I am not a poet...stop calling me things please... > > > > or you could start taking me for what I am not... > > > > this is not a medicine...but the open openness you are... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > no, a poet does not live or die by words. words are merely > > vessels. > > > nor is a poet a poet. a poet is openness. and openness is made > > > visible through poetry. > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > yes but a poet is a poet because of the poetry... > > and openness is nothing...and it is not because of anything that > > openness is nothing...it is just openness... > > ...iietsa > > > > yes but we've been agreeing all along > > ~*~ > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > <iietsa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking > > > > > oneself > > > > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > one is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what > > one > > > > is > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one could say that from the true Self > > there > > > is > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought is hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ may west > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the true Self is not ignorant... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance does not even exist... > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is just an illusion... > > > > > > > > > > > > > but bliss...is the pure being itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > and pure being knows nothing about ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > to say ignorance is bliss is just a way to > > take > > > > what > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > false to > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > true... > > > > > > > > > > > > > and to judge thought " hell " ...is to take one > > > > thought > > > > > to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > truer > > > > > > > > > > > > > than all other thoughts... > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " One Law for the Ox and Lion is Oppression. " > > > William > > > > > Blake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek not to establish a common language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it will only lead up the tower of Babel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self, true self > > > > > > > > > > > > false self, selfish, shell fish > > > > > > > > > > > > can mean anything > > > > > > > > > > > > so, too, ignorance and > > > > > > > > > > > > hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are just fingers pointing > > > > > > > > > > > > or, hands shaking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel the power of the grip, > > > > > > > > > > > > the size of the hand > > > > > > > > > > > > the temperature of the skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules are made to be broken > > > > > > > > > > > > definitions are made to be overtaken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance can be bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > or hell > > > > > > > > > > > > or warm > > > > > > > > > > > > or cold > > > > > > > > > > > > good or bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets mold the language > > > > > > > > > > > > nonduality is poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only hacks are molded by language > > > > > > > > > > > > duality is for hacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...is what you are saying ... > > > > > > > > > > > why not use words in a different meaning > > > > > > > > > > > let orange juice mean cow dung > > > > > > > > > > > and let good mean tall tree > > > > > > > > > > > whats the point with a language if one word never > > > means > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same ? > > > > > > > > > > > whats the use of a sign saying " london turn right > > > then > > > > > > > 5km " ... > > > > > > > > > > > if it is not actuly trying to point london out at > > > all ? > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, you must be kidding! you are yourself a > > poet. > > > > > stop > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > pretending! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets lives and dies by words... > > > > > > > > > I am not a poet...stop calling me things please... > > > > > > > > > or you could start taking me for what I am not... > > > > > > > > > this is not a medicine...but the open openness you > > are... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, a poet does not live or die by words. words are > > merely > > > > > > > vessels. > > > > > > > > nor is a poet a poet. a poet is openness. and openness > > is > > > > > made > > > > > > > > visible through poetry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes but a poet is a poet because of the poetry... > > > > > > > and openness is nothing...and it is not because of > > anything > > > > that > > > > > > > openness is nothing...it is just openness... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....one need also have a heart for poets.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...openness for every possible appearences.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart loves all...but it emphasize nothing... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > yes.....all are loved by the heart..... > > > > > > > > even if the mind want to love or don't want to love > > anybody/anything > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: the heart of all.....is love > > > > > > > > the love of all....is at home in the heart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You both are stuck in a competition with each other babbling an > > > endless mix of what you have read and what you suppose that > > imagined > > > heart does, but that's all just little mind games of two pathetic > > > souls which don't want to stop with all that nonsense instead of > > > better doing something meaningful like cleaning their room or > > doing > > > the dishes. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > its always funny with appearing wanna be " besserwissers " ...dont you > > agree werner? > > marc and iietsa are not in a competition with each other... > > follow the words without resistance and there is the chance of seeing > > ...iietsa > > > > > even war is love, anna > > ~ nis > yeah...it could be the next go join bushman campaign... war is a process in duality... it takes time to fight a war... war is a struggle for a result...with an end in view... love is not end-gaining... why kill your enemies... when love can make them your best friends... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a > taking > > > > > > oneself > > > > > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be > what > > > one > > > > > is > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one could say that from the true Self > > > there > > > > is > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought is hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ may west > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the true Self is not ignorant... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance does not even exist... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is just an illusion... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but bliss...is the pure being itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and pure being knows nothing about > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to say ignorance is bliss is just a way to > > > take > > > > > what > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > false to > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and to judge thought " hell " ...is to take > one > > > > > thought > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > truer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than all other thoughts... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " One Law for the Ox and Lion is Oppression. " > > > > William > > > > > > Blake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek not to establish a common language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it will only lead up the tower of Babel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self, true self > > > > > > > > > > > > > false self, selfish, shell fish > > > > > > > > > > > > > can mean anything > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, too, ignorance and > > > > > > > > > > > > > hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are just fingers pointing > > > > > > > > > > > > > or, hands shaking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel the power of the grip, > > > > > > > > > > > > > the size of the hand > > > > > > > > > > > > > the temperature of the skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules are made to be broken > > > > > > > > > > > > > definitions are made to be overtaken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance can be bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > or hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > or warm > > > > > > > > > > > > > or cold > > > > > > > > > > > > > good or bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets mold the language > > > > > > > > > > > > > nonduality is poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only hacks are molded by language > > > > > > > > > > > > > duality is for hacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...is what you are saying ... > > > > > > > > > > > > why not use words in a different meaning > > > > > > > > > > > > let orange juice mean cow dung > > > > > > > > > > > > and let good mean tall tree > > > > > > > > > > > > whats the point with a language if one word > never > > > > means > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > same ? > > > > > > > > > > > > whats the use of a sign saying " london turn > right > > > > then > > > > > > > > 5km " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is not actuly trying to point london out > at > > > > all ? > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, you must be kidding! you are yourself a > > > poet. > > > > > > stop > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > pretending! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets lives and dies by words... > > > > > > > > > > I am not a poet...stop calling me things please... > > > > > > > > > > or you could start taking me for what I am not... > > > > > > > > > > this is not a medicine...but the open openness you > > > are... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, a poet does not live or die by words. words are > > > merely > > > > > > > > vessels. > > > > > > > > > nor is a poet a poet. a poet is openness. and > openness > > > is > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > visible through poetry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes but a poet is a poet because of the poetry... > > > > > > > > and openness is nothing...and it is not because of > > > anything > > > > > that > > > > > > > > openness is nothing...it is just openness... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....one need also have a heart for poets.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...openness for every possible appearences.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart loves all...but it emphasize nothing... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes.....all are loved by the heart..... > > > > > > > > > > even if the mind want to love or don't want to love > > > anybody/anything > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: the heart of all.....is love > > > > > > > > > > the love of all....is at home in the heart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You both are stuck in a competition with each other babbling > an > > > > endless mix of what you have read and what you suppose that > > > imagined > > > > heart does, but that's all just little mind games of two > pathetic > > > > souls which don't want to stop with all that nonsense instead > of > > > > better doing something meaningful like cleaning their room or > > > doing > > > > the dishes. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > its always funny with appearing wanna be " besserwissers " ...dont > you > > > agree werner? > > > marc and iietsa are not in a competition with each other... > > > follow the words without resistance and there is the chance of > seeing > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > even war is love, anna > > > > ~ nis > > > yeah...it could be the next go join bushman campaign... > war is a process in duality... > it takes time to fight a war... > war is a struggle for a result...with an end in view... > love is not end-gaining... > why kill your enemies... > when love can make them your best friends... > ...iietsa > because war is just a thought.... duality is just a thought... enemies is just a thought..... best friends is ......... love is behind everything..... ......iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > <iietsa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a > > taking > > > > > > > oneself > > > > > > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be > > what > > > > one > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one could say that from the true Self > > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought is hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ may west > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the true Self is not ignorant... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance does not even exist... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is just an illusion... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but bliss...is the pure being itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and pure being knows nothing about > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to say ignorance is bliss is just a way to > > > > take > > > > > > what > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > false to > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and to judge thought " hell " ...is to take > > one > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > truer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than all other thoughts... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " One Law for the Ox and Lion is Oppression. " > > > > > William > > > > > > > Blake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek not to establish a common language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it will only lead up the tower of Babel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self, true self > > > > > > > > > > > > > > false self, selfish, shell fish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can mean anything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, too, ignorance and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are just fingers pointing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or, hands shaking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel the power of the grip, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the size of the hand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the temperature of the skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules are made to be broken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > definitions are made to be overtaken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance can be bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or warm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or cold > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good or bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets mold the language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nonduality is poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only hacks are molded by language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duality is for hacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...is what you are saying ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > why not use words in a different meaning > > > > > > > > > > > > > let orange juice mean cow dung > > > > > > > > > > > > > and let good mean tall tree > > > > > > > > > > > > > whats the point with a language if one word > > never > > > > > means > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > same ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > whats the use of a sign saying " london turn > > right > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > 5km " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is not actuly trying to point london out > > at > > > > > all ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, you must be kidding! you are yourself a > > > > poet. > > > > > > > stop > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > pretending! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets lives and dies by words... > > > > > > > > > > > I am not a poet...stop calling me things please... > > > > > > > > > > > or you could start taking me for what I am not... > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a medicine...but the open openness you > > > > are... > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, a poet does not live or die by words. words are > > > > merely > > > > > > > > > vessels. > > > > > > > > > > nor is a poet a poet. a poet is openness. and > > openness > > > > is > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > visible through poetry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes but a poet is a poet because of the poetry... > > > > > > > > > and openness is nothing...and it is not because of > > > > anything > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > openness is nothing...it is just openness... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....one need also have a heart for poets.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...openness for every possible appearences.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart loves all...but it emphasize nothing... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes.....all are loved by the heart..... > > > > > > > > > > > > even if the mind want to love or don't want to love > > > > anybody/anything > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: the heart of all.....is love > > > > > > > > > > > > the love of all....is at home in the heart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You both are stuck in a competition with each other babbling > > an > > > > > endless mix of what you have read and what you suppose that > > > > imagined > > > > > heart does, but that's all just little mind games of two > > pathetic > > > > > souls which don't want to stop with all that nonsense instead > > of > > > > > better doing something meaningful like cleaning their room or > > > > doing > > > > > the dishes. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > its always funny with appearing wanna be " besserwissers " ...dont > > you > > > > agree werner? > > > > marc and iietsa are not in a competition with each other... > > > > follow the words without resistance and there is the chance of > > seeing > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > even war is love, anna > > > > > > ~ nis > > > > > yeah...it could be the next go join bushman campaign... > > war is a process in duality... > > it takes time to fight a war... > > war is a struggle for a result...with an end in view... > > love is not end-gaining... > > why kill your enemies... > > when love can make them your best friends... > > ...iietsa > > > > because war is just a thought.... > duality is just a thought... > enemies is just a thought..... > best friends is ......... > > love is behind everything..... > > .....iietsa > yes love loves all...even war... but war is a process of no-love... can you even imagine a loving mother killing her child...when there is nothing wrong with anything? ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware > of > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be > a > > > taking > > > > > > > > oneself > > > > > > > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to > be > > > what > > > > > one > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one could say that from the true > Self > > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought is hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ may west > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the true Self is not ignorant... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance does not even exist... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is just an illusion... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but bliss...is the pure being itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and pure being knows nothing about > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to say ignorance is bliss is just a > way to > > > > > take > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > false to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and to judge thought " hell " ...is to > take > > > one > > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > truer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than all other thoughts... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " One Law for the Ox and Lion is > Oppression. " > > > > > > William > > > > > > > > Blake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek not to establish a common language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it will only lead up the tower of Babel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self, true self > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > false self, selfish, shell fish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can mean anything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, too, ignorance and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are just fingers pointing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or, hands shaking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel the power of the grip, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the size of the hand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the temperature of the skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules are made to be broken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > definitions are made to be overtaken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance can be bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or warm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or cold > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good or bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets mold the language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nonduality is poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only hacks are molded by language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duality is for hacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...is what you are saying ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why not use words in a different meaning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let orange juice mean cow dung > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and let good mean tall tree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whats the point with a language if one > word > > > never > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > same ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whats the use of a sign saying " london > turn > > > right > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > 5km " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is not actuly trying to point london > out > > > at > > > > > > all ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, you must be kidding! you are > yourself a > > > > > poet. > > > > > > > > stop > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > pretending! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets lives and dies by words... > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not a poet...stop calling me things > please... > > > > > > > > > > > > or you could start taking me for what I am > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a medicine...but the open openness > you > > > > > are... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, a poet does not live or die by words. words > are > > > > > merely > > > > > > > > > > vessels. > > > > > > > > > > > nor is a poet a poet. a poet is openness. and > > > openness > > > > > is > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > visible through poetry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes but a poet is a poet because of the poetry... > > > > > > > > > > and openness is nothing...and it is not because of > > > > > anything > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > openness is nothing...it is just openness... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....one need also have a heart for poets.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...openness for every possible appearences.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart loves all...but it emphasize nothing... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes.....all are loved by the heart..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if the mind want to love or don't want to love > > > > > anybody/anything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: the heart of all.....is love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the love of all....is at home in the heart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You both are stuck in a competition with each other > babbling > > > an > > > > > > endless mix of what you have read and what you suppose > that > > > > > imagined > > > > > > heart does, but that's all just little mind games of two > > > pathetic > > > > > > souls which don't want to stop with all that nonsense > instead > > > of > > > > > > better doing something meaningful like cleaning their room > or > > > > > doing > > > > > > the dishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its always funny with appearing wanna > be " besserwissers " ...dont > > > you > > > > > agree werner? > > > > > marc and iietsa are not in a competition with each other... > > > > > follow the words without resistance and there is the chance > of > > > seeing > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even war is love, anna > > > > > > > > ~ nis > > > > > > > yeah...it could be the next go join bushman campaign... > > > war is a process in duality... > > > it takes time to fight a war... > > > war is a struggle for a result...with an end in view... > > > love is not end-gaining... > > > why kill your enemies... > > > when love can make them your best friends... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > because war is just a thought.... > > duality is just a thought... > > enemies is just a thought..... > > best friends is ......... > > > > love is behind everything..... > > > > .....iietsa > > > yes love loves all...even war... > but war is a process of no-love... > can you even imagine a loving mother killing her child...when there > is nothing wrong with anything? > ...iietsa > yes. because it is not her child she is killing, rather, she is loving something you do not see. love is not to be seen. the water does not see the water. ~ heraclitus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware > > of > > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be > > a > > > > taking > > > > > > > > > oneself > > > > > > > > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to > > be > > > > what > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one could say that from the true > > Self > > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought is hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ may west > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the true Self is not ignorant... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance does not even exist... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is just an illusion... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but bliss...is the pure being itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and pure being knows nothing about > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to say ignorance is bliss is just a > > way to > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > false to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and to judge thought " hell " ...is to > > take > > > > one > > > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > truer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than all other thoughts... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " One Law for the Ox and Lion is > > Oppression. " > > > > > > > William > > > > > > > > > Blake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek not to establish a common language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it will only lead up the tower of Babel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self, true self > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > false self, selfish, shell fish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can mean anything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, too, ignorance and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are just fingers pointing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or, hands shaking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel the power of the grip, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the size of the hand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the temperature of the skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules are made to be broken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > definitions are made to be overtaken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance can be bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or warm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or cold > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good or bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets mold the language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nonduality is poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only hacks are molded by language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duality is for hacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...is what you are saying ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why not use words in a different meaning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let orange juice mean cow dung > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and let good mean tall tree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whats the point with a language if one > > word > > > > never > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > same ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whats the use of a sign saying " london > > turn > > > > right > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > 5km " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is not actuly trying to point london > > out > > > > at > > > > > > > all ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, you must be kidding! you are > > yourself a > > > > > > poet. > > > > > > > > > stop > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pretending! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets lives and dies by words... > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not a poet...stop calling me things > > please... > > > > > > > > > > > > > or you could start taking me for what I am > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a medicine...but the open openness > > you > > > > > > are... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, a poet does not live or die by words. words > > are > > > > > > merely > > > > > > > > > > > vessels. > > > > > > > > > > > > nor is a poet a poet. a poet is openness. and > > > > openness > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > visible through poetry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes but a poet is a poet because of the poetry... > > > > > > > > > > > and openness is nothing...and it is not because of > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > openness is nothing...it is just openness... > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....one need also have a heart for poets.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...openness for every possible appearences.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart loves all...but it emphasize nothing... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes.....all are loved by the heart..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if the mind want to love or don't want to love > > > > > > anybody/anything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: the heart of all.....is love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the love of all....is at home in the heart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You both are stuck in a competition with each other > > babbling > > > > an > > > > > > > endless mix of what you have read and what you suppose > > that > > > > > > imagined > > > > > > > heart does, but that's all just little mind games of two > > > > pathetic > > > > > > > souls which don't want to stop with all that nonsense > > instead > > > > of > > > > > > > better doing something meaningful like cleaning their room > > or > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > the dishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its always funny with appearing wanna > > be " besserwissers " ...dont > > > > you > > > > > > agree werner? > > > > > > marc and iietsa are not in a competition with each other... > > > > > > follow the words without resistance and there is the chance > > of > > > > seeing > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even war is love, anna > > > > > > > > > > ~ nis > > > > > > > > > yeah...it could be the next go join bushman campaign... > > > > war is a process in duality... > > > > it takes time to fight a war... > > > > war is a struggle for a result...with an end in view... > > > > love is not end-gaining... > > > > why kill your enemies... > > > > when love can make them your best friends... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > because war is just a thought.... > > > duality is just a thought... > > > enemies is just a thought..... > > > best friends is ......... > > > > > > love is behind everything..... > > > > > > .....iietsa > > > > > yes love loves all...even war... > > but war is a process of no-love... > > can you even imagine a loving mother killing her child...when there > > is nothing wrong with anything? > > ...iietsa > > > > yes. because it is not her child she is killing, rather, she is > loving something you do not see. love is not to be seen. the water > does not see the water. > > ~ heraclitus there is nothing wrong...so why bring in killing ? why bring in war ? ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally > unaware > > > of > > > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to > be > > > a > > > > > taking > > > > > > > > > > oneself > > > > > > > > > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the > self is > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf > to > > > be > > > > > what > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one could say that from the > true > > > Self > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought is hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ may west > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the true Self is not ignorant... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance does not even exist... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is just an illusion... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but bliss...is the pure being > itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and pure being knows nothing about > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to say ignorance is bliss is just > a > > > way to > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > false to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and to judge thought " hell " ...is > to > > > take > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than all other thoughts... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " One Law for the Ox and Lion is > > > Oppression. " > > > > > > > > William > > > > > > > > > > Blake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek not to establish a common > language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it will only lead up the tower of > Babel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self, true self > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > false self, selfish, shell fish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can mean anything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, too, ignorance and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are just fingers pointing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or, hands shaking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel the power of the grip, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the size of the hand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the temperature of the skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules are made to be broken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > definitions are made to be overtaken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance can be bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or warm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or cold > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good or bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets mold the language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nonduality is poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only hacks are molded by language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duality is for hacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...is what you are saying ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why not use words in a different > meaning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let orange juice mean cow dung > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and let good mean tall tree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whats the point with a language if one > > > word > > > > > never > > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whats the use of a sign saying " london > > > turn > > > > > right > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > 5km " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it is not actuly trying to point > london > > > out > > > > > at > > > > > > > > all ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, you must be kidding! you are > > > yourself a > > > > > > > poet. > > > > > > > > > > stop > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pretending! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets lives and dies by words... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not a poet...stop calling me things > > > please... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or you could start taking me for what I am > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a medicine...but the open > openness > > > you > > > > > > > are... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, a poet does not live or die by words. > words > > > are > > > > > > > merely > > > > > > > > > > > > vessels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > nor is a poet a poet. a poet is openness. > and > > > > > openness > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > visible through poetry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes but a poet is a poet because of the > poetry... > > > > > > > > > > > > and openness is nothing...and it is not > because of > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > openness is nothing...it is just openness... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....one need also have a heart for poets.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...openness for every possible appearences.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart loves all...but it emphasize nothing... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes.....all are loved by the heart..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if the mind want to love or don't want to love > > > > > > > anybody/anything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: the heart of all.....is love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the love of all....is at home in the heart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You both are stuck in a competition with each other > > > babbling > > > > > an > > > > > > > > endless mix of what you have read and what you suppose > > > that > > > > > > > imagined > > > > > > > > heart does, but that's all just little mind games of > two > > > > > pathetic > > > > > > > > souls which don't want to stop with all that nonsense > > > instead > > > > > of > > > > > > > > better doing something meaningful like cleaning their > room > > > or > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > the dishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its always funny with appearing wanna > > > be " besserwissers " ...dont > > > > > you > > > > > > > agree werner? > > > > > > > marc and iietsa are not in a competition with each > other... > > > > > > > follow the words without resistance and there is the > chance > > > of > > > > > seeing > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even war is love, anna > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ nis > > > > > > > > > > > yeah...it could be the next go join bushman campaign... > > > > > war is a process in duality... > > > > > it takes time to fight a war... > > > > > war is a struggle for a result...with an end in view... > > > > > love is not end-gaining... > > > > > why kill your enemies... > > > > > when love can make them your best friends... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > because war is just a thought.... > > > > duality is just a thought... > > > > enemies is just a thought..... > > > > best friends is ......... > > > > > > > > love is behind everything..... > > > > > > > > .....iietsa > > > > > > > yes love loves all...even war... > > > but war is a process of no-love... > > > can you even imagine a loving mother killing her child...when > there > > > is nothing wrong with anything? > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > yes. because it is not her child she is killing, rather, she is > > loving something you do not see. love is not to be seen. the water > > does not see the water. > > > > ~ heraclitus > > there is nothing wrong...so why bring in killing ? > why bring in war ? > ...iietsa > because we are here to dis spell ill usion, my lovable friend. and war is such an illusion, that i say, " war is the father of all things. " thus, let us return from any thing to the no thing of your trueSelf. ~ heraclitus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2009 NondualitySalon , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: Have you ever been giddy, drunk on alcohol? The world runs in circles, going nowhere. So, too, is ignorance. The world moves, and moves, and moves, and moves, and moves, going... right where it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > NondualitySalon , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > Have you ever been giddy, drunk on alcohol? > > The world runs in circles, going nowhere. > > So, too, is ignorance. > > The world moves, and moves, and moves, and moves, and moves, going... right where it is. better stop with that drink right there timmy. however.. you've made clear here.. under what conditions most of your posts must are written. it's little wonder they don't move many. still..it's interesting watching your eyes rolling around. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > NondualitySalon , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Have you ever been giddy, drunk on alcohol? > > > > The world runs in circles, going nowhere. > > > > So, too, is ignorance. > > > > The world moves, and moves, and moves, and moves, and moves, going... right where it is. > > > > > > better stop with that drink right there timmy. > > however.. > > you've made clear here.. > > under what conditions most of your posts must are written. > > it's little wonder they don't move many. > > still..it's interesting watching your eyes rolling around. Sure, Bobby sees Tim (in his head) with his eyes rolling around ;-). Enjoy the imaginary playmate! He must be very interesting. Let us know what he does next. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > NondualitySalon , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Have you ever been giddy, drunk on alcohol? > > > > > > The world runs in circles, going nowhere. > > > > > > So, too, is ignorance. > > > > > > The world moves, and moves, and moves, and moves, and moves, going... right where it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > better stop with that drink right there timmy. > > > > however.. > > > > you've made clear here.. > > > > under what conditions most of your posts must are written. > > > > it's little wonder they don't move many. > > > > still..it's interesting watching your eyes rolling around. > > Sure, Bobby sees Tim (in his head) with his eyes rolling around ;-). > > Enjoy the imaginary playmate! > > He must be very interesting. > > Let us know what he does next. if i'm in your imagination.. imagining you.. what the fuck do you want to know? us " ??? c'mon timmy.. no one would want to be included with you. that's only in your imagination for fucking sure. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
