Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking oneself to be what one is > not... > > ...iietsa > > > yes.... > > Marc > > > sure. as seen from the point of view of someone on the outside, looking in, as an omniscient god. which you all are, of course, or else you wouldn't say this. but from the point of view of a poor ignorant fool, how does s/he know that she's ignorant? because you tell her/him? or do you all just wait for her/him to join you in wisdom? or, might we just say, join you in the self-satisfaction of once having been ignorant, now wise? ~ Diogenes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking oneself to be what one is > > not... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > yes.... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > sure. as seen from the point of view of someone on the outside, > looking in, as an omniscient god. which you all are, of course, or > else you wouldn't say this. but from the point of view of a poor > ignorant fool, how does s/he know that she's ignorant? because you > tell her/him? or do you all just wait for her/him to join you in > wisdom? or, might we just say, join you in the self-satisfaction of > once having been ignorant, now wise? > > ~ Diogenes it's the Fate, Kismet, and Karma of bio genes, Diogenes........Io seen with Ganymede...... and Callisto and Europa tonite.....ah the moons of Jupiter....blissful and awesome. I'm ignorant of the others as I have no telescope....but binoculars are all you need for those baby dolls.......somewhat less than a mystical experience of the omnicient god, but looking from the outside, they look pretty good. But I admit that having seen them I am still not wise....just awestruck and left pondering the vastness of the vastness. .........bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking oneself to be what one is > > not... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > yes.... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > sure. as seen from the point of view of someone on the outside, > looking in, as an omniscient god. which you all are, of course, or > else you wouldn't say this. but from the point of view of a poor > ignorant fool, how does s/he know that she's ignorant? because you > tell her/him? or do you all just wait for her/him to join you in > wisdom? or, might we just say, join you in the self-satisfaction of > once having been ignorant, now wise? > > ~ Diogenes the one who believe that the individual body-mind-intellect, bubbling some words to an imaginary world.....(so without awareness of real Self)..., is God..... yes is surely living in a nice dream-bubble of ignorance.... whoever has a restless mind....and is unaware of some reality...... will surely cause " conflicts " and " problems " ....again and again.... until the day.....on which this entity start to seek.... " who he/she realy is " ..... whenever the heart and mind is open for some " reality " .....reality is there..... here.... and now Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking oneself to be what one is > > not... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is not there is no > > ignorance... > > one could say that from the true Self there is never ignorance... > > ignorance is just a thought... > > ...iietsa > > > > > > ........as is the true self. > > > > toombaru .....there are nothing but thoughts....? Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking oneself to be what > > one is > > > > not... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is not there is no > > > > ignorance... > > > > one could say that from the true Self there is never ignorance... > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > ignorance is bliss > > > > > > > > > thought is hell > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ may west > > > > > the true Self is not ignorant... > > ignorance does not even exist... > > it is just an illusion... > > but bliss...is the pure being itself > > and pure being knows nothing about ignorance... > > to say ignorance is bliss is just a way to take what is false to be > > true... > > and to judge thought " hell " ...is to take one thought to be truer > > than all other thoughts... > > iietsa > > > > > > " One Law for the Ox and Lion is Oppression. " William Blake > > > seek not to establish a common language > > it will only lead up the tower of Babel > > self, true self > false self, selfish, shell fish > can mean anything > so, too, ignorance and > hell > > words are just fingers pointing > or, hands shaking > > feel the power of the grip, > the size of the hand > the temperature of the skin > > rules are made to be broken > definitions are made to be overtaken > > ignorance can be bliss > or hell > or warm > or cold > good or bad > > poets mold the language > nonduality is poetry > > only hacks are molded by language > duality is for hacks > > ~*~ > ....is what you are saying ... why not use words in a different meaning let orange juice mean cow dung and let good mean tall tree whats the point with a language if one word never means the same ? whats the use of a sign saying " london turn right then 5km " ... if it is not actuly trying to point london out at all ? ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking oneself to be what one > is > > > not... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > yes.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure. as seen from the point of view of someone on the outside, > > looking in, as an omniscient god. which you all are, of course, or > > else you wouldn't say this. but from the point of view of a poor > > ignorant fool, how does s/he know that she's ignorant? because you > > tell her/him? or do you all just wait for her/him to join you in > > wisdom? or, might we just say, join you in the self-satisfaction of > > once having been ignorant, now wise? > > > > ~ Diogenes > > > > the one who believe that the individual body-mind-intellect, bubbling > some words to an imaginary world.....(so without awareness of real > Self)..., is God..... > > yes > > is surely living in a nice dream-bubble of ignorance.... > > > whoever has a restless mind....and is unaware of some reality...... > will surely cause " conflicts " and " problems " ....again and again.... > > until the day.....on which this entity start to seek.... " who he/she > realy is " ..... > > whenever the heart and mind is open for some " reality " .....reality is > there..... > > here.... > > and > > now > > Marc > so, when you know that you don't know, and you therefore OPEN, then you are no longer ignorant? then, who is not OPEN? (CLOSED for lunch?). is it possible to be CLOSED (even on weekdays)? we open and close, all the time. so, are we ignorant then wise, in cycles? ~ diogenes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking oneself to be > what > > > one is > > > > > not... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is not there > is no > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > one could say that from the true Self there is never > ignorance... > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > thought is hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ may west > > > > > > > the true Self is not ignorant... > > > ignorance does not even exist... > > > it is just an illusion... > > > but bliss...is the pure being itself > > > and pure being knows nothing about ignorance... > > > to say ignorance is bliss is just a way to take what is false to > be > > > true... > > > and to judge thought " hell " ...is to take one thought to be truer > > > than all other thoughts... > > > iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > " One Law for the Ox and Lion is Oppression. " William Blake > > > > > > seek not to establish a common language > > > > it will only lead up the tower of Babel > > > > self, true self > > false self, selfish, shell fish > > can mean anything > > so, too, ignorance and > > hell > > > > words are just fingers pointing > > or, hands shaking > > > > feel the power of the grip, > > the size of the hand > > the temperature of the skin > > > > rules are made to be broken > > definitions are made to be overtaken > > > > ignorance can be bliss > > or hell > > or warm > > or cold > > good or bad > > > > poets mold the language > > nonduality is poetry > > > > only hacks are molded by language > > duality is for hacks > > > > ~*~ > > > > ...is what you are saying ... > why not use words in a different meaning > let orange juice mean cow dung > and let good mean tall tree > whats the point with a language if one word never means the same ? > whats the use of a sign saying " london turn right then 5km " ... > if it is not actuly trying to point london out at all ? > ...iietsa > iietsa, you must be kidding! you are yourself a poet. stop this pretending! LOL ~*~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking oneself to be what one is > > not... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > yes.... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > sure. as seen from the point of view of someone on the outside, > looking in, as an omniscient god. which you all are, of course, or > else you wouldn't say this. but from the point of view of a poor > ignorant fool, how does s/he know that she's ignorant? because you > tell her/him? or do you all just wait for her/him to join you in > wisdom? or, might we just say, join you in the self-satisfaction of > once having been ignorant, now wise? > > ~ Diogenes > the so called poor ignorant fool... the taking to be what one is not... must be seen from god...by seeing the identification reflex... when this is seen...the one who sees this is free... then be the seeing... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking oneself to be what one > > is > > > > not... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > yes.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure. as seen from the point of view of someone on the outside, > > > looking in, as an omniscient god. which you all are, of course, or > > > else you wouldn't say this. but from the point of view of a poor > > > ignorant fool, how does s/he know that she's ignorant? because you > > > tell her/him? or do you all just wait for her/him to join you in > > > wisdom? or, might we just say, join you in the self- satisfaction of > > > once having been ignorant, now wise? > > > > > > ~ Diogenes > > > > > > > > the one who believe that the individual body-mind-intellect, bubbling > > some words to an imaginary world.....(so without awareness of real > > Self)..., is God..... > > > > yes > > > > is surely living in a nice dream-bubble of ignorance.... > > > > > > whoever has a restless mind....and is unaware of some reality...... > > will surely cause " conflicts " and " problems " ....again and again.... > > > > until the day.....on which this entity start to seek.... " who he/she > > realy is " ..... > > > > whenever the heart and mind is open for some " reality " .....reality is > > there..... > > > > here.... > > > > and > > > > now > > > > Marc > > > > > so, when you know that you don't know, and you therefore OPEN, then > you are no longer ignorant? then, who is not OPEN? (CLOSED for > lunch?). is it possible to be CLOSED (even on weekdays)? > > we open and close, all the time. so, are we ignorant then wise, in > cycles? > > ~ diogenes when you know that you don't know.....is already a great point of view...... it could be endlessly discussed if there is no more ignorance....or still is.....or less.....or whatever.... this is not the point.... this your mentionned " cyles " repeat as often....as there is still some ignorance appearing.....yes after this " cycles " of fabuloes experiences......and shopping....on weekdays....and sundays....and why not saturdays...... there come a time on which the shops are always....open.....here and now...... means.....one is aware.....then..... " who " is doing shopping ....for real..... and " who " was it..... " who " never made any shopping....for real Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking oneself to be what one > > is > > > > not... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > yes.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure. as seen from the point of view of someone on the outside, > > > looking in, as an omniscient god. which you all are, of course, or > > > else you wouldn't say this. but from the point of view of a poor > > > ignorant fool, how does s/he know that she's ignorant? because you > > > tell her/him? or do you all just wait for her/him to join you in > > > wisdom? or, might we just say, join you in the self- satisfaction of > > > once having been ignorant, now wise? > > > > > > ~ Diogenes > > > > > > > > the one who believe that the individual body-mind-intellect, bubbling > > some words to an imaginary world.....(so without awareness of real > > Self)..., is God..... > > > > yes > > > > is surely living in a nice dream-bubble of ignorance.... > > > > > > whoever has a restless mind....and is unaware of some reality...... > > will surely cause " conflicts " and " problems " ....again and again.... > > > > until the day.....on which this entity start to seek.... " who he/she > > realy is " ..... > > > > whenever the heart and mind is open for some " reality " .....reality is > > there..... > > > > here.... > > > > and > > > > now > > > > Marc > > > > > so, when you know that you don't know, and you therefore OPEN, then > you are no longer ignorant? then, who is not OPEN? (CLOSED for > lunch?). is it possible to be CLOSED (even on weekdays)? > > we open and close, all the time. so, are we ignorant then wise, in > cycles? > > ~ diogenes > shop open and close... I am not shop... I am openness...wherein the shop is opening and closing... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking oneself to be > > what > > > > one is > > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is not there > > is no > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > one could say that from the true Self there is never > > ignorance... > > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought is hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ may west > > > > > > > > > the true Self is not ignorant... > > > > ignorance does not even exist... > > > > it is just an illusion... > > > > but bliss...is the pure being itself > > > > and pure being knows nothing about ignorance... > > > > to say ignorance is bliss is just a way to take what is false to > > be > > > > true... > > > > and to judge thought " hell " ...is to take one thought to be truer > > > > than all other thoughts... > > > > iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " One Law for the Ox and Lion is Oppression. " William Blake > > > > > > > > > seek not to establish a common language > > > > > > it will only lead up the tower of Babel > > > > > > self, true self > > > false self, selfish, shell fish > > > can mean anything > > > so, too, ignorance and > > > hell > > > > > > words are just fingers pointing > > > or, hands shaking > > > > > > feel the power of the grip, > > > the size of the hand > > > the temperature of the skin > > > > > > rules are made to be broken > > > definitions are made to be overtaken > > > > > > ignorance can be bliss > > > or hell > > > or warm > > > or cold > > > good or bad > > > > > > poets mold the language > > > nonduality is poetry > > > > > > only hacks are molded by language > > > duality is for hacks > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > ...is what you are saying ... > > why not use words in a different meaning > > let orange juice mean cow dung > > and let good mean tall tree > > whats the point with a language if one word never means the same ? > > whats the use of a sign saying " london turn right then 5km " ... > > if it is not actuly trying to point london out at all ? > > ...iietsa > > > > > iietsa, you must be kidding! you are yourself a poet. stop this > pretending! > > LOL > > ~*~ > poets lives and dies by words... I am not a poet...stop calling me things please... or you could start taking me for what I am not... this is not a medicine...but the open openness you are... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking oneself to be what > one > > > is > > > > > not... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure. as seen from the point of view of someone on the outside, > > > > looking in, as an omniscient god. which you all are, of > course, or > > > > else you wouldn't say this. but from the point of view of a > poor > > > > ignorant fool, how does s/he know that she's ignorant? because > you > > > > tell her/him? or do you all just wait for her/him to join you > in > > > > wisdom? or, might we just say, join you in the self- > satisfaction of > > > > once having been ignorant, now wise? > > > > > > > > ~ Diogenes > > > > > > > > > > > > the one who believe that the individual body-mind-intellect, > bubbling > > > some words to an imaginary world.....(so without awareness of > real > > > Self)..., is God..... > > > > > > yes > > > > > > is surely living in a nice dream-bubble of ignorance.... > > > > > > > > > whoever has a restless mind....and is unaware of some > reality...... > > > will surely cause " conflicts " and " problems " ....again and > again.... > > > > > > until the day.....on which this entity start to seek.... " who > he/she > > > realy is " ..... > > > > > > whenever the heart and mind is open for > some " reality " .....reality is > > > there..... > > > > > > here.... > > > > > > and > > > > > > now > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > so, when you know that you don't know, and you therefore OPEN, then > > you are no longer ignorant? then, who is not OPEN? (CLOSED for > > lunch?). is it possible to be CLOSED (even on weekdays)? > > > > we open and close, all the time. so, are we ignorant then wise, in > > cycles? > > > > ~ diogenes > > when you know that you don't know.....is already a great point of > view...... > > it could be endlessly discussed if there is no more ignorance....or > still is.....or less.....or whatever.... > > this is not the point.... > > this your mentionned " cyles " repeat as often....as there is still > some ignorance appearing.....yes > > after this " cycles " of fabuloes experiences......and shopping....on > weekdays....and sundays....and why not saturdays...... > > there come a time on which the shops are always....open.....here and > now...... > > means.....one is aware.....then..... " who " is doing shopping ....for > real..... > > and " who " was it..... " who " never made any shopping....for real > > > Marc > > ((-; ..........so, when Diogenes finds Diogenes to be all that he was looking for, and that there never was a Diogenes in the first place: .........poof * (the poof * of the pudding) ~ poof * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking oneself to be what one is > > not... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is not there is no > > ignorance... > > one could say that from the true Self there is never ignorance... > > ignorance is just a thought... > > ...iietsa > > > > > > ........as is the true self. > > > > toombaru > I am the fundamental Reality.... and you take yourself to be the one that is stuck with the idea that the real Self is just an idea... and of course this is true til you realise the whole thing... then you see that you are the same fundamental Reality... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking oneself to be > > > what > > > > > one is > > > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is not > there > > > is no > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > one could say that from the true Self there is never > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought is hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ may west > > > > > > > > > > > the true Self is not ignorant... > > > > > ignorance does not even exist... > > > > > it is just an illusion... > > > > > but bliss...is the pure being itself > > > > > and pure being knows nothing about ignorance... > > > > > to say ignorance is bliss is just a way to take what is > false to > > > be > > > > > true... > > > > > and to judge thought " hell " ...is to take one thought to be > truer > > > > > than all other thoughts... > > > > > iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " One Law for the Ox and Lion is Oppression. " William Blake > > > > > > > > > > > > seek not to establish a common language > > > > > > > > it will only lead up the tower of Babel > > > > > > > > self, true self > > > > false self, selfish, shell fish > > > > can mean anything > > > > so, too, ignorance and > > > > hell > > > > > > > > words are just fingers pointing > > > > or, hands shaking > > > > > > > > feel the power of the grip, > > > > the size of the hand > > > > the temperature of the skin > > > > > > > > rules are made to be broken > > > > definitions are made to be overtaken > > > > > > > > ignorance can be bliss > > > > or hell > > > > or warm > > > > or cold > > > > good or bad > > > > > > > > poets mold the language > > > > nonduality is poetry > > > > > > > > only hacks are molded by language > > > > duality is for hacks > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > ...is what you are saying ... > > > why not use words in a different meaning > > > let orange juice mean cow dung > > > and let good mean tall tree > > > whats the point with a language if one word never means the > same ? > > > whats the use of a sign saying " london turn right then 5km " ... > > > if it is not actuly trying to point london out at all ? > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > iietsa, you must be kidding! you are yourself a poet. stop this > > pretending! > > > > LOL > > > > ~*~ > > > poets lives and dies by words... > I am not a poet...stop calling me things please... > or you could start taking me for what I am not... > this is not a medicine...but the open openness you are... > ...iietsa > no, a poet does not live or die by words. words are merely vessels. nor is a poet a poet. a poet is openness. and openness is made visible through poetry. ~*~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking oneself to be what > > one > > > > is > > > > > > not... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure. as seen from the point of view of someone on the outside, > > > > > looking in, as an omniscient god. which you all are, of > > course, or > > > > > else you wouldn't say this. but from the point of view of a > > poor > > > > > ignorant fool, how does s/he know that she's ignorant? because > > you > > > > > tell her/him? or do you all just wait for her/him to join you > > in > > > > > wisdom? or, might we just say, join you in the self- > > satisfaction of > > > > > once having been ignorant, now wise? > > > > > > > > > > ~ Diogenes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the one who believe that the individual body-mind-intellect, > > bubbling > > > > some words to an imaginary world.....(so without awareness of > > real > > > > Self)..., is God..... > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > is surely living in a nice dream-bubble of ignorance.... > > > > > > > > > > > > whoever has a restless mind....and is unaware of some > > reality...... > > > > will surely cause " conflicts " and " problems " ....again and > > again.... > > > > > > > > until the day.....on which this entity start to seek.... " who > > he/she > > > > realy is " ..... > > > > > > > > whenever the heart and mind is open for > > some " reality " .....reality is > > > > there..... > > > > > > > > here.... > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > now > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, when you know that you don't know, and you therefore OPEN, then > > > you are no longer ignorant? then, who is not OPEN? (CLOSED for > > > lunch?). is it possible to be CLOSED (even on weekdays)? > > > > > > we open and close, all the time. so, are we ignorant then wise, in > > > cycles? > > > > > > ~ diogenes > > > > when you know that you don't know.....is already a great point of > > view...... > > > > it could be endlessly discussed if there is no more ignorance....or > > still is.....or less.....or whatever.... > > > > this is not the point.... > > > > this your mentionned " cyles " repeat as often....as there is still > > some ignorance appearing.....yes > > > > after this " cycles " of fabuloes experiences......and shopping....on > > weekdays....and sundays....and why not saturdays...... > > > > there come a time on which the shops are always....open.....here and > > now...... > > > > means.....one is aware.....then..... " who " is doing shopping ....for > > real..... > > > > and " who " was it..... " who " never made any shopping....for real > > > > > > Marc > > > > > ((-; > > .........so, when Diogenes finds Diogenes to be all that he was > looking for, and that there never was a Diogenes in the first place: > > > ........poof * > > (the poof * of the pudding) > > > ~ poof * yes...... poof poof poof....!!! and one is free form puddings Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > thank God I'm aware of this already. It's wonderful to be > > wonderful > > > > isn't it? > > > > > > > > .....bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > > > > There is no psychological center to be aware of anything. > > > > > > > > > You've come a long way to get to the edge of the world.......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......It's time to jump now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Toombaru, > > > > How are you aware of this? I'm at the center of a circle > > without circumferance....there is no place to jump.....and without > > boundaries, this wonderful state sure has no edges. If you still are > > in a place of geometry and angles and edges....I bid you join > > Me....you will lose your illusory meat modality as soon as you become > > Me. I'm here always, and am always free for the taking and for the > > Freedom offered, given freely and already the case.....Try and > > realize what you are and you will find there is no longer this > > imagined need of your's to give advice....THIS IS NOT advice.....this > > is an invitation from yourSelf. > > > > ......bob > > > > > > Bob, > > I just re-read this post and I found it fresh and genuine. > > > Thank you > > > > toombaru > Thank you Bob and toomie, .....this is, after all, what desire desires. to be known as the presence of one another is the stateless state of being One. .....it has often been referred to as Love.... YIL, Anna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank God I'm aware of this already. It's wonderful to be > > > wonderful > > > > > isn't it? > > > > > > > > > > .....bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no psychological center to be aware of anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > You've come a long way to get to the edge of the > world.......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......It's time to jump now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Toombaru, > > > > > > How are you aware of this? I'm at the center of a > circle > > > without circumferance....there is no place to jump.....and > without > > > boundaries, this wonderful state sure has no edges. If you still > are > > > in a place of geometry and angles and edges....I bid you join > > > Me....you will lose your illusory meat modality as soon as you > become > > > Me. I'm here always, and am always free for the taking and for > the > > > Freedom offered, given freely and already the case.....Try and > > > realize what you are and you will find there is no longer this > > > imagined need of your's to give advice....THIS IS NOT > advice.....this > > > is an invitation from yourSelf. > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > I just re-read this post and I found it fresh and genuine. > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Thank you Bob and toomie, > > ....this is, after all, what desire desires. to be known as the > presence of one another is the stateless state of being One. > > ....it has often been referred to as Love.... > > YIL, > Anna yes....desire is the prove of missing desireless peace and happiness.....and desireless ( and unconditionel) love thanks also to bob for this clear words ....coming from ....here Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > <iietsa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking oneself to be > > > > what > > > > > > one is > > > > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > > > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is not > > there > > > > is no > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > one could say that from the true Self there is never > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought is hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ may west > > > > > > > > > > > > > the true Self is not ignorant... > > > > > > ignorance does not even exist... > > > > > > it is just an illusion... > > > > > > but bliss...is the pure being itself > > > > > > and pure being knows nothing about ignorance... > > > > > > to say ignorance is bliss is just a way to take what is > > false to > > > > be > > > > > > true... > > > > > > and to judge thought " hell " ...is to take one thought to be > > truer > > > > > > than all other thoughts... > > > > > > iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " One Law for the Ox and Lion is Oppression. " William Blake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek not to establish a common language > > > > > > > > > > it will only lead up the tower of Babel > > > > > > > > > > self, true self > > > > > false self, selfish, shell fish > > > > > can mean anything > > > > > so, too, ignorance and > > > > > hell > > > > > > > > > > words are just fingers pointing > > > > > or, hands shaking > > > > > > > > > > feel the power of the grip, > > > > > the size of the hand > > > > > the temperature of the skin > > > > > > > > > > rules are made to be broken > > > > > definitions are made to be overtaken > > > > > > > > > > ignorance can be bliss > > > > > or hell > > > > > or warm > > > > > or cold > > > > > good or bad > > > > > > > > > > poets mold the language > > > > > nonduality is poetry > > > > > > > > > > only hacks are molded by language > > > > > duality is for hacks > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...is what you are saying ... > > > > why not use words in a different meaning > > > > let orange juice mean cow dung > > > > and let good mean tall tree > > > > whats the point with a language if one word never means the > > same ? > > > > whats the use of a sign saying " london turn right then 5km " ... > > > > if it is not actuly trying to point london out at all ? > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, you must be kidding! you are yourself a poet. stop this > > > pretending! > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > poets lives and dies by words... > > I am not a poet...stop calling me things please... > > or you could start taking me for what I am not... > > this is not a medicine...but the open openness you are... > > ...iietsa > > > > no, a poet does not live or die by words. words are merely vessels. > nor is a poet a poet. a poet is openness. and openness is made > visible through poetry. > > ~*~ > yes but a poet is a poet because of the poetry... and openness is nothing...and it is not because of anything that openness is nothing...it is just openness... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking oneself > to be > > > > > what > > > > > > > one is > > > > > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > > > > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is not > > > there > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > one could say that from the true Self there is never > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought is hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ may west > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the true Self is not ignorant... > > > > > > > ignorance does not even exist... > > > > > > > it is just an illusion... > > > > > > > but bliss...is the pure being itself > > > > > > > and pure being knows nothing about ignorance... > > > > > > > to say ignorance is bliss is just a way to take what is > > > false to > > > > > be > > > > > > > true... > > > > > > > and to judge thought " hell " ...is to take one thought to > be > > > truer > > > > > > > than all other thoughts... > > > > > > > iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " One Law for the Ox and Lion is Oppression. " William Blake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek not to establish a common language > > > > > > > > > > > > it will only lead up the tower of Babel > > > > > > > > > > > > self, true self > > > > > > false self, selfish, shell fish > > > > > > can mean anything > > > > > > so, too, ignorance and > > > > > > hell > > > > > > > > > > > > words are just fingers pointing > > > > > > or, hands shaking > > > > > > > > > > > > feel the power of the grip, > > > > > > the size of the hand > > > > > > the temperature of the skin > > > > > > > > > > > > rules are made to be broken > > > > > > definitions are made to be overtaken > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance can be bliss > > > > > > or hell > > > > > > or warm > > > > > > or cold > > > > > > good or bad > > > > > > > > > > > > poets mold the language > > > > > > nonduality is poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > only hacks are molded by language > > > > > > duality is for hacks > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...is what you are saying ... > > > > > why not use words in a different meaning > > > > > let orange juice mean cow dung > > > > > and let good mean tall tree > > > > > whats the point with a language if one word never means the > > > same ? > > > > > whats the use of a sign saying " london turn right then > 5km " ... > > > > > if it is not actuly trying to point london out at all ? > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, you must be kidding! you are yourself a poet. stop > this > > > > pretending! > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > poets lives and dies by words... > > > I am not a poet...stop calling me things please... > > > or you could start taking me for what I am not... > > > this is not a medicine...but the open openness you are... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > no, a poet does not live or die by words. words are merely > vessels. > > nor is a poet a poet. a poet is openness. and openness is made > > visible through poetry. > > > > ~*~ > > > > yes but a poet is a poet because of the poetry... > and openness is nothing...and it is not because of anything that > openness is nothing...it is just openness... > ...iietsa .....one need also have a heart for poets.... ....openness for every possible appearences.... 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > <iietsa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking oneself > > to be > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > one is > > > > > > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is > not > > > > there > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > one could say that from the true Self there is > never > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought is hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ may west > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the true Self is not ignorant... > > > > > > > > ignorance does not even exist... > > > > > > > > it is just an illusion... > > > > > > > > but bliss...is the pure being itself > > > > > > > > and pure being knows nothing about ignorance... > > > > > > > > to say ignorance is bliss is just a way to take what is > > > > false to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > true... > > > > > > > > and to judge thought " hell " ...is to take one thought to > > be > > > > truer > > > > > > > > than all other thoughts... > > > > > > > > iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " One Law for the Ox and Lion is Oppression. " William Blake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek not to establish a common language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it will only lead up the tower of Babel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self, true self > > > > > > > false self, selfish, shell fish > > > > > > > can mean anything > > > > > > > so, too, ignorance and > > > > > > > hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are just fingers pointing > > > > > > > or, hands shaking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel the power of the grip, > > > > > > > the size of the hand > > > > > > > the temperature of the skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules are made to be broken > > > > > > > definitions are made to be overtaken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance can be bliss > > > > > > > or hell > > > > > > > or warm > > > > > > > or cold > > > > > > > good or bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets mold the language > > > > > > > nonduality is poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only hacks are molded by language > > > > > > > duality is for hacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...is what you are saying ... > > > > > > why not use words in a different meaning > > > > > > let orange juice mean cow dung > > > > > > and let good mean tall tree > > > > > > whats the point with a language if one word never means the > > > > same ? > > > > > > whats the use of a sign saying " london turn right then > > 5km " ... > > > > > > if it is not actuly trying to point london out at all ? > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, you must be kidding! you are yourself a poet. stop > > this > > > > > pretending! > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > poets lives and dies by words... > > > > I am not a poet...stop calling me things please... > > > > or you could start taking me for what I am not... > > > > this is not a medicine...but the open openness you are... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > no, a poet does not live or die by words. words are merely > > vessels. > > > nor is a poet a poet. a poet is openness. and openness is made > > > visible through poetry. > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > yes but a poet is a poet because of the poetry... > > and openness is nothing...and it is not because of anything that > > openness is nothing...it is just openness... > > ...iietsa > > > ....one need also have a heart for poets.... > > ...openness for every possible appearences.... > > > Marc > > > the heart loves all...but it emphasize nothing... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorance is totally unaware of itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance could be said to be a taking > oneself > > > to be > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > one is > > > > > > > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self IS the ignorance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to take yourself to be the self is ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > if there is not taking oneSelf to be what one is > > not > > > > > there > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > one could say that from the true Self there is > > never > > > > > > > ignorance... > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is just a thought... > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance is bliss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought is hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ may west > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the true Self is not ignorant... > > > > > > > > > ignorance does not even exist... > > > > > > > > > it is just an illusion... > > > > > > > > > but bliss...is the pure being itself > > > > > > > > > and pure being knows nothing about ignorance... > > > > > > > > > to say ignorance is bliss is just a way to take what > is > > > > > false to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > true... > > > > > > > > > and to judge thought " hell " ...is to take one thought > to > > > be > > > > > truer > > > > > > > > > than all other thoughts... > > > > > > > > > iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " One Law for the Ox and Lion is Oppression. " William > Blake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek not to establish a common language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it will only lead up the tower of Babel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self, true self > > > > > > > > false self, selfish, shell fish > > > > > > > > can mean anything > > > > > > > > so, too, ignorance and > > > > > > > > hell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are just fingers pointing > > > > > > > > or, hands shaking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel the power of the grip, > > > > > > > > the size of the hand > > > > > > > > the temperature of the skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules are made to be broken > > > > > > > > definitions are made to be overtaken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance can be bliss > > > > > > > > or hell > > > > > > > > or warm > > > > > > > > or cold > > > > > > > > good or bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poets mold the language > > > > > > > > nonduality is poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only hacks are molded by language > > > > > > > > duality is for hacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...is what you are saying ... > > > > > > > why not use words in a different meaning > > > > > > > let orange juice mean cow dung > > > > > > > and let good mean tall tree > > > > > > > whats the point with a language if one word never means > the > > > > > same ? > > > > > > > whats the use of a sign saying " london turn right then > > > 5km " ... > > > > > > > if it is not actuly trying to point london out at all ? > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa, you must be kidding! you are yourself a poet. > stop > > > this > > > > > > pretending! > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > poets lives and dies by words... > > > > > I am not a poet...stop calling me things please... > > > > > or you could start taking me for what I am not... > > > > > this is not a medicine...but the open openness you are... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > no, a poet does not live or die by words. words are merely > > > vessels. > > > > nor is a poet a poet. a poet is openness. and openness is > made > > > > visible through poetry. > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > yes but a poet is a poet because of the poetry... > > > and openness is nothing...and it is not because of anything that > > > openness is nothing...it is just openness... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > ....one need also have a heart for poets.... > > > > ...openness for every possible appearences.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > the heart loves all...but it emphasize nothing... > ...iietsa yes.....all are loved by the heart..... even if the mind want to love or don't want to love anybody/anything Marc Ps: the heart of all.....is love the love of all....is at home in the heart > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar@> wrote: > > > > Knowledge is the highest ignorance. Reality is beyond knowledge and > > ignorance. (thanks to Siddharameshwar) > > > where there is light....there is no darkness.... > > Marc > > > no light no darkness, no darkness no light Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar@> wrote: > > > > > > Knowledge is the highest ignorance. Reality is beyond knowledge > and > > > ignorance. (thanks to Siddharameshwar) > > > > > > where there is light....there is no darkness.... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > no light no darkness, no darkness no light reality is beyond....darkness & light Marc Ps: once i heard someone talking about his spiritual experiences, that when someone grow (out of ignorance....or darkness & light....)......getting awareness of reality..... the positive....as well as the negative sides of the personality is growing.....simulaniously.... means..... " dark and light " side of the personality are growing...... .....that therefore, it's necessary to " prepare the field/ground " ....first......in order to grow more " balanced " ..... indeed, ....sometimes there are spiritual teachers appearing.... " who " seem to have highly developed positive sides.....but still are catched by their negative sides....which got endless stronger too few words only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Knowledge is the highest ignorance. Reality is beyond knowledge > > and > > > > ignorance. (thanks to Siddharameshwar) > > > > > > > > > where there is light....there is no darkness.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > no light no darkness, no darkness no light > > > reality is beyond....darkness & light > > Marc > > > Ps: once i heard someone talking about his spiritual experiences, > that when someone grow (out of ignorance....or > darkness & light....)......getting awareness of reality..... > > the positive....as well as the negative sides of the personality is > growing.....simulaniously.... > > means..... " dark and light " side of the personality are growing...... > > ....that therefore, it's necessary to " prepare the > field/ground " ....first......in order to grow more " balanced " ..... > > indeed, ....sometimes there are spiritual teachers appearing.... " who " > seem to have highly developed positive sides.....but still are > catched by their negative sides....which got endless stronger too > > few words only > mind is the two sides of everything... and it could be said that all thoughts... or all sides... or the one mind... is constantly in YOU... but YOU are never in the mind... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge is the highest ignorance. Reality is beyond > knowledge > > > and > > > > > ignorance. (thanks to Siddharameshwar) > > > > > > > > > > > > where there is light....there is no darkness.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no light no darkness, no darkness no light > > > > > > reality is beyond....darkness & light > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: once i heard someone talking about his spiritual experiences, > > that when someone grow (out of ignorance....or > > darkness & light....)......getting awareness of reality..... > > > > the positive....as well as the negative sides of the personality > is > > growing.....simulaniously.... > > > > means..... " dark and light " side of the personality are > growing...... > > > > ....that therefore, it's necessary to " prepare the > > field/ground " ....first......in order to grow more " balanced " ..... > > > > indeed, ....sometimes there are spiritual teachers > appearing.... " who " > > seem to have highly developed positive sides.....but still are > > catched by their negative sides....which got endless stronger too > > > > few words only > > > > mind is the two sides of everything... > and it could be said that all thoughts... > or all sides... > or the one mind... > is constantly in YOU... > but YOU are never in the mind... > > ...iietsa agree with this clear words... thank you Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
