Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THE original attitude of the American Indian toward the > > > Eternal, > > > > > > > > the " Great Mystery " that surrounds and embraces us, was > as > > > simple > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > it was exalted. To him it was the supreme conception, > > > bringing > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > it the fullest measure of joy and satisfaction possible > in > > > this > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter how refined the perception of the 'Supreme' > > > is.....it is > > > > > > > merly more of the same ole me and God duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed........same with all the pontifications that you > seem to > > > enjoy > > > > > > spouting....in fact toombaru, from seeing your incessant > need > > > to be > > > > > > a 'topper', I would say 'you' seem to be the most noticable > old > > > me > > > > > > (toombaru) and other(god or other) dualist in the bunch > here > > > and on > > > > > > most of the 'spiritual' lists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The worship of the " Great Mystery " was silent, > solitary, > > > free > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > all self-seeking. It was silent, because all speech is > of > > > > > > necessity > > > > > > > > feeble and imperfect; therefore the souls of my > ancestors > > > > > > ascended to > > > > > > > > God in wordless adoration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Worship of the 'Great Mystery'....even silent > worship...is > > > self > > > > > > seeking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wordless adoration is adoration of something that the > mind > > > made up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again agreed. re Part one......who the hell would disagree, > > > that > > > > > > seems to be the main point of the endeavor...no need to > state > > > the > > > > > > obvious guy. Re part 2.......this is something you are > making > > > up and > > > > > > is simply WRONG. no matter how hard you try to pretend > fella, > > > you > > > > > > adore sounding like some sort of above it all who can > enlighen > > > the > > > > > > lesser beings with his gifts of wisdom. That's about as > much > > > the make- > > > > > > up of 'adoration' as anything is. Please inform now: What > is > > > mind? > > > > > > what is 'making up' opposed to? how does the 'mind' 'do' > this > > > making > > > > > > up thing? what is not 'of the mind'? what's the REAL deal > that > > > you > > > > > > are trying to talk about but fail so miserably at with > these > > > > > > superficial nonsense sound and word-bytes. and don't just > walk > > > away > > > > > > from these questions as is your wont, or come up with some > > > spiffy one- > > > > > > liner to try and further impress. ANSWER them. You love > > > solipsism and > > > > > > tautology as I have stated time and again......that really > says > > > > > > nothing at all and is refuted just as easily by mere > > > denial.......as > > > > > > valid, as honest, as enlightened sounding, and as useless > as > > > > > > your 'pop' posts......you really are a child of Esalen > aren't > > > > > > you.......the seventies are over sport. these little > ditties > > > don't > > > > > > impress anyone anymore......they merely date you my dear > friend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was solitary, because they believed that He is > nearer to > > > us in > > > > > > > > solitude, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Nearer to us " is the clever trick of cutting the > distance in > > > > > > > half....without putting the self in jeopardy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I suppose this snippet is NOT a clever little trick at > > > trying > > > > > > to 'cut to the quick'? give us a break! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and there were no priests authorized to come between a > man > > > > > > > > and his Maker. None might exhort or confess or in any > way > > > meddle > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the religious experience of another. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That keeps the delusional fantasy intact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are fantasising here......are you feeling delusional or > is > > > it > > > > > > happening without your 'mind' being cognizant of that fact? > It > > > would > > > > > > likely keep 'you' intact, if that is the case....if not, > you > > > can see > > > > > > how what you say really falls apart under intelligent > > > > > > examination.Give it a try rather than trying to just negate > > > > > > everything in order to come off as more knowl;edgable or > wise > > > than > > > > > > anyone else.....again, it reall doesn't impress anyone, it > > > doesn't > > > > > > work, and God toombaru.....it's getting so OLD and BORING. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Among us all men were created > > > > > > > > sons of God and stood erect, as conscious of their > divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conscious but separate....and of slightly less stature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ho Ho Ho!........you looking in the mirror again? not so > > > handsome is > > > > > > it handsome.....hehehehe.......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Religion is religion is religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > absolutely......but religion is what Lao tse, Buddha, the > > > Christ, all > > > > > > zemasters and students, Advaitans, nondualists, > Nisargadatta, > > > > > > Ramana..........and a whole mess of others (may I include > the > > > boys > > > > > > herein considered, the American Natives), walked away > > > from.....they > > > > > > didn't attend 'religious' schools or temples or > > > churches........did > > > > > > you somehow miss this in the above or are you just trying > to > > > sound > > > > > > cool again? Spirituality is NOT religion......and if the > whole > > > thing > > > > > > is so far below you, why on earth or heaven do you spend > all > > > your > > > > > > time on these 'spiritual' lists talking your > nonsense......is > > > > > > something missing in your life. May I suggest a fishing > > > trip....i > > > > > > love to fish and it adds some real gusto and reality to the > > > living > > > > > > time of the nobodies we all are and know we are and don't > need > > > some > > > > > > Priest of the Nondual Truth church preaching in sound bytes > all > > > the > > > > > > time about......try a real life and see if some of your > > > delusions of > > > > > > granduer can be shed......you are becoming rather crusty > with > > > them > > > > > > chum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...............bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > p.s. I've copied this onto notepad so if has a > problem > > > with > > > > > > database again, I can just keep posting till it makes > > > it....thought > > > > > > you'd like to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My response was pointed at the childlike glamorization of the > > > > > 'primitive spiritual mind'. > > > > > > > > > > The idea of the " noble savage' has great appeal to the > confused > > > modern > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > It likes to believe that at one time it existed in a more > pure and > > > > > simple form. > > > > > > > > > > But a little research in to the behavior if native peoples > > > everywhere > > > > > would quickly dispell such romanticism. > > > > > > > > > > When the American indians captured a member from a > neighboring > > > tribe > > > > > they tortured them unmercifully. > > > > > > > > > > The rivers of Hawaii ran red with blood for eons. > > > > > > > > > > Mind is mind. > > > > > > > > > > It likes to think that is better then it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Religion and spirituality......are no different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are nothing other then the solcitation of an imaginary > Other > > > in a > > > > desperate attempt to secure the survival of the imaginary self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Nope..... However your post here is exactly and only > that " desperate > > > attempt to secure the survival of the imaginary self. " > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like Nisargadatta? > > > > > > toombaru > > > so now your equating yourself and feel you are right up there with > Niz and Gautama and Lao tse and Jesus and the whole gang > eh?.........you know I also know that no enlightenment is greater > than mine as well as you do(who else IS there?)....but when you start > comparing the personal man toom, with those cats.......I gotta say > your gone daddyo. > > :-)) > > .........bob > We have the same mother. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > LOL.....'begs'?.......I don't, I didn't, I wouldn't, I will not, EVER > > beg for anything.....particularily correction or forgivness.....how > > Catholic you are getting to be. And just a quickie on this > > humdinger.....who elected you to be the corrector of > > anything.......try a little humility and also try to get real. Nobody > > is need of correction from you or any other quarter....are you saying > > something is WRONG? whenever 'wrong' is around, then there gotta be > > something 'right'.....I guess your assuming that that > > something 'right' is your opinion.......sorry guy.... that dog don't > > hunt......you better get a better grip on things man.You say there > > are no things, no people, no nothing, but then you turn right around > > and are going to correct something called agreement with > > delusion......methinks toomey that YOU are going delusional. Have a > > scone like a nice lad and come up with something better than this or > > teacher may have to sit you on that high chair in front of the > > classroom wearing that funny cone hat again. > > > > .........bob > The belief that some have a better handle on 'spirituality' then > others is delusional. good for you toombaru, you are finally getting the picture. > Oh I know....You have a lot of ideas what religion and spirituality > are all about.......but they are all made up Bob. of course...I even made up you. and I enjoy playing with my fantasies....I always win...even though there are no winners and losers...I make it up to be so and so it is fun. > There really is no such thing....and no one to whom they could pertain. you talkin' to someone?.....I think Iheard a noise. > toombaru > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THE original attitude of the American Indian toward the > > > > Eternal, > > > > > > > > > the " Great Mystery " that surrounds and embraces us, was > > as > > > > simple > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > it was exalted. To him it was the supreme conception, > > > > bringing > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > it the fullest measure of joy and satisfaction possible > > in > > > > this > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter how refined the perception of the 'Supreme' > > > > is.....it is > > > > > > > > merly more of the same ole me and God duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed........same with all the pontifications that you > > seem to > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > spouting....in fact toombaru, from seeing your incessant > > need > > > > to be > > > > > > > a 'topper', I would say 'you' seem to be the most noticable > > old > > > > me > > > > > > > (toombaru) and other(god or other) dualist in the bunch > > here > > > > and on > > > > > > > most of the 'spiritual' lists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The worship of the " Great Mystery " was silent, > > solitary, > > > > free > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > all self-seeking. It was silent, because all speech is > > of > > > > > > > necessity > > > > > > > > > feeble and imperfect; therefore the souls of my > > ancestors > > > > > > > ascended to > > > > > > > > > God in wordless adoration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Worship of the 'Great Mystery'....even silent > > worship...is > > > > self > > > > > > > seeking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wordless adoration is adoration of something that the > > mind > > > > made up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again agreed. re Part one......who the hell would disagree, > > > > that > > > > > > > seems to be the main point of the endeavor...no need to > > state > > > > the > > > > > > > obvious guy. Re part 2.......this is something you are > > making > > > > up and > > > > > > > is simply WRONG. no matter how hard you try to pretend > > fella, > > > > you > > > > > > > adore sounding like some sort of above it all who can > > enlighen > > > > the > > > > > > > lesser beings with his gifts of wisdom. That's about as > > much > > > > the make- > > > > > > > up of 'adoration' as anything is. Please inform now: What > > is > > > > mind? > > > > > > > what is 'making up' opposed to? how does the 'mind' 'do' > > this > > > > making > > > > > > > up thing? what is not 'of the mind'? what's the REAL deal > > that > > > > you > > > > > > > are trying to talk about but fail so miserably at with > > these > > > > > > > superficial nonsense sound and word-bytes. and don't just > > walk > > > > away > > > > > > > from these questions as is your wont, or come up with some > > > > spiffy one- > > > > > > > liner to try and further impress. ANSWER them. You love > > > > solipsism and > > > > > > > tautology as I have stated time and again......that really > > says > > > > > > > nothing at all and is refuted just as easily by mere > > > > denial.......as > > > > > > > valid, as honest, as enlightened sounding, and as useless > > as > > > > > > > your 'pop' posts......you really are a child of Esalen > > aren't > > > > > > > you.......the seventies are over sport. these little > > ditties > > > > don't > > > > > > > impress anyone anymore......they merely date you my dear > > friend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was solitary, because they believed that He is > > nearer to > > > > us in > > > > > > > > > solitude, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Nearer to us " is the clever trick of cutting the > > distance in > > > > > > > > half....without putting the self in jeopardy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I suppose this snippet is NOT a clever little trick at > > > > trying > > > > > > > to 'cut to the quick'? give us a break! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and there were no priests authorized to come between a > > man > > > > > > > > > and his Maker. None might exhort or confess or in any > > way > > > > meddle > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > the religious experience of another. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That keeps the delusional fantasy intact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are fantasising here......are you feeling delusional or > > is > > > > it > > > > > > > happening without your 'mind' being cognizant of that fact? > > It > > > > would > > > > > > > likely keep 'you' intact, if that is the case....if not, > > you > > > > can see > > > > > > > how what you say really falls apart under intelligent > > > > > > > examination.Give it a try rather than trying to just negate > > > > > > > everything in order to come off as more knowl;edgable or > > wise > > > > than > > > > > > > anyone else.....again, it reall doesn't impress anyone, it > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > work, and God toombaru.....it's getting so OLD and BORING. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Among us all men were created > > > > > > > > > sons of God and stood erect, as conscious of their > > divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conscious but separate....and of slightly less stature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ho Ho Ho!........you looking in the mirror again? not so > > > > handsome is > > > > > > > it handsome.....hehehehe.......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Religion is religion is religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > absolutely......but religion is what Lao tse, Buddha, the > > > > Christ, all > > > > > > > zemasters and students, Advaitans, nondualists, > > Nisargadatta, > > > > > > > Ramana..........and a whole mess of others (may I include > > the > > > > boys > > > > > > > herein considered, the American Natives), walked away > > > > from.....they > > > > > > > didn't attend 'religious' schools or temples or > > > > churches........did > > > > > > > you somehow miss this in the above or are you just trying > > to > > > > sound > > > > > > > cool again? Spirituality is NOT religion......and if the > > whole > > > > thing > > > > > > > is so far below you, why on earth or heaven do you spend > > all > > > > your > > > > > > > time on these 'spiritual' lists talking your > > nonsense......is > > > > > > > something missing in your life. May I suggest a fishing > > > > trip....i > > > > > > > love to fish and it adds some real gusto and reality to the > > > > living > > > > > > > time of the nobodies we all are and know we are and don't > > need > > > > some > > > > > > > Priest of the Nondual Truth church preaching in sound bytes > > all > > > > the > > > > > > > time about......try a real life and see if some of your > > > > delusions of > > > > > > > granduer can be shed......you are becoming rather crusty > > with > > > > them > > > > > > > chum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...............bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > p.s. I've copied this onto notepad so if has a > > problem > > > > with > > > > > > > database again, I can just keep posting till it makes > > > > it....thought > > > > > > > you'd like to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My response was pointed at the childlike glamorization of the > > > > > > 'primitive spiritual mind'. > > > > > > > > > > > > The idea of the " noble savage' has great appeal to the > > confused > > > > modern > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > It likes to believe that at one time it existed in a more > > pure and > > > > > > simple form. > > > > > > > > > > > > But a little research in to the behavior if native peoples > > > > everywhere > > > > > > would quickly dispell such romanticism. > > > > > > > > > > > > When the American indians captured a member from a > > neighboring > > > > tribe > > > > > > they tortured them unmercifully. > > > > > > > > > > > > The rivers of Hawaii ran red with blood for eons. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > It likes to think that is better then it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Religion and spirituality......are no different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are nothing other then the solcitation of an imaginary > > Other > > > > in a > > > > > desperate attempt to secure the survival of the imaginary self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope..... However your post here is exactly and only > > that " desperate > > > > attempt to secure the survival of the imaginary self. " > > > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like Nisargadatta? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > so now your equating yourself and feel you are right up there with > > Niz and Gautama and Lao tse and Jesus and the whole gang > > eh?.........you know I also know that no enlightenment is greater > > than mine as well as you do(who else IS there?)....but when you start > > comparing the personal man toom, with those cats.......I gotta say > > your gone daddyo. > > > > :-)) > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > We have the same mother. > > > toombaru oh yes....the barren lady....please note here toomberu.....as I always tell my students...if one or another of your parents was sterile, chances are that you may be as well....toss of the gentic dice in the gene poole (oops!). ........bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > THE original attitude of the American Indian toward the Eternal, > > > > the " Great Mystery " that surrounds and embraces us, was as > > simple as > > > > it was exalted. To him it was the supreme conception, bringing > > with > > > > it the fullest measure of joy and satisfaction possible in this > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter how refined the perception of the 'Supreme' is.....it is > > > merly more of the same ole me and God duality. > > > > > > > > That may be true on one level, Toomie, but the native peoples did > > not live at odds with their environment, the most elementental > > beginning of duality. > > > > I/we live my/our life(s) here in this space called earth. Most folks > > never consider it, let alone pay hommage. > > > > And most of us never experience the joy of nature, or its inherent > > Silence. > > > > Anna > > The most elemental beginning of duality is when you first believed you > had encountered something outside of yourself. > > When you experienced (nonverbally) a situation in which there could be > a threat to someone and someone to be threatened. > > This is formed from and as the basic nonverbal survival program -- > which " later on " leads to words being believed. > > When you believed a word must signify something existing, there was > duality. > > When you " later " came to believe there were those who lived in harmony > with the earth, and those who didn't, there was an additional duality. > > And if you came to believe there is duality, and then there is > nonduality -- that belief certainly constitutes a duality. > > So, to resolve dualities is not to find a nonduality that is outside > of duality. > > It is to re-cognize the nondual in and as the dualities. > > And it is to " undermine " the basis for taking the survival program as > a bedrock establishment of what reality is -- on a nonverbal basis. > > -- Dan > Great Dan, How did/does it appear to you when you make/made this recognition? It is not a one-time occurrence. Everything that arises in consciousness 24/7 is some sort of recognition, some of it being logical and necessary for healthy 'survival of the ego-mechanism', and some of it the mattering off matters that are self-promoting at the expense of our " natural " nature. I have spoken of it since day one. For me recognition was in the here-to-fore appearances of dualities. And balancing them in the mind of " Anna " where only the heart of One appears, so to speak. lst: consciousness assumes its separateness in the act of being alive as an individual 2nd: consciousness lives in separateness in the nature of being separated in/as/of the fabric of our lives: in our surroundsings: being the following: 3rd: In our surroundings, having made the separation between this and that, we fall into our bodies that give credibility to certain 'patterns' that are promoted as sexual orientation. 4th: In our bodies of man or woman, we give weight to the minor, or major issues inherent with being alive in our physical bodies, monthly cycles, issues of power and strength, etc. 5th: In our bodies we buy into thought patterns handed down by society religion and parental influence as to how these bodies should act, behave, think and be. Sexually or otherwise. Habitual thinking. 6th: In buying into these thought patterns, everyone at different times in different ways tries to escape being 'type-cast'. How this evolves is the evolution of each human being. Refined thinking. 7th: In the evolution of each human being--the individual, the intense fire of desire to unite appears as all types of worldly or indivual events. The play of Life. Lila. 8th: In the conscious participation in the play of life, the One decides to play For All. have to go now, later, Anna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > THE original attitude of the American Indian toward the > Eternal, > > > > > the " Great Mystery " that surrounds and embraces us, was as > > > simple as > > > > > it was exalted. To him it was the supreme conception, > bringing > > > with > > > > > it the fullest measure of joy and satisfaction possible in > this > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter how refined the perception of the 'Supreme' > is.....it is > > > > merly more of the same ole me and God duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > That may be true on one level, Toomie, but the native peoples > did > > > not live at odds with their environment, the most elementental > > > beginning of duality. > > > > > > I/we live my/our life(s) here in this space called earth. Most > folks > > > never consider it, let alone pay hommage. > > > > > > And most of us never experience the joy of nature, or its > inherent > > > Silence. > > > > > > Anna > > > > The most elemental beginning of duality is when you first believed > you > > had encountered something outside of yourself. > > > > When you experienced (nonverbally) a situation in which there > could be > > a threat to someone and someone to be threatened. > > > > This is formed from and as the basic nonverbal survival program - - > > which " later on " leads to words being believed. > > > > When you believed a word must signify something existing, there was > > duality. > > > > When you " later " came to believe there were those who lived in > harmony > > with the earth, and those who didn't, there was an additional > duality. > > > > And if you came to believe there is duality, and then there is > > nonduality -- that belief certainly constitutes a duality. > > > > So, to resolve dualities is not to find a nonduality that is > outside > > of duality. > > > > It is to re-cognize the nondual in and as the dualities. > > > > And it is to " undermine " the basis for taking the survival program > as > > a bedrock establishment of what reality is -- on a nonverbal basis. > > > > -- Dan > > > > > Great Dan, > > > How did/does it appear to you when you make/made this recognition? > It is not a one-time occurrence. Everything that arises in > consciousness 24/7 is some sort of recognition, some of it being > logical and necessary for healthy 'survival of the ego-mechanism', > and some of it the mattering off matters that are self-promoting at > the expense of our " natural " nature. > > I have spoken of it since day one. For me recognition was in the > here-to-fore appearances of dualities. And balancing them in the > mind of " Anna " where only the heart of One appears, so to speak. > > > lst: consciousness assumes its separateness in the act of being > alive as an individual > > 2nd: consciousness lives in separateness in the nature of being > separated in/as/of the fabric of our lives: in our surroundsings: > being the following: > > 3rd: In our surroundings, having made the separation between this > and that, we fall into our bodies that give credibility to > certain 'patterns' that are promoted as sexual orientation. > > 4th: In our bodies of man or woman, we give weight to the minor, or > major issues inherent with being alive in our physical bodies, > monthly cycles, issues of power and strength, etc. > > 5th: In our bodies we buy into thought patterns handed down by > society religion and parental influence as to how these bodies > should act, behave, think and be. Sexually or otherwise. Habitual > thinking. > > 6th: In buying into these thought patterns, everyone at different > times in different ways tries to escape being 'type-cast'. How this > evolves is the evolution of each human being. Refined thinking. > > 7th: In the evolution of each human being--the individual, the > intense fire of desire to unite appears as all types of worldly or > indivual events. The play of Life. Lila. > > 8th: In the conscious participation in the play of life, the One > decides to play For All. > > > have to go now, > later, > Anna > " And what is a word knowledge but a shadow of wordless knowledge. " Kahlil Gibran Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > THE original attitude of the American Indian toward the > Eternal, > > > > > the " Great Mystery " that surrounds and embraces us, was as > > > simple as > > > > > it was exalted. To him it was the supreme conception, > bringing > > > with > > > > > it the fullest measure of joy and satisfaction possible in > this > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter how refined the perception of the 'Supreme' > is.....it is > > > > merly more of the same ole me and God duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > That may be true on one level, Toomie, but the native peoples > did > > > not live at odds with their environment, the most elementental > > > beginning of duality. > > > > > > I/we live my/our life(s) here in this space called earth. Most > folks > > > never consider it, let alone pay hommage. > > > > > > And most of us never experience the joy of nature, or its > inherent > > > Silence. > > > > > > Anna > > > > The most elemental beginning of duality is when you first believed > you > > had encountered something outside of yourself. > > > > When you experienced (nonverbally) a situation in which there > could be > > a threat to someone and someone to be threatened. > > > > This is formed from and as the basic nonverbal survival program -- > > which " later on " leads to words being believed. > > > > When you believed a word must signify something existing, there was > > duality. > > > > When you " later " came to believe there were those who lived in > harmony > > with the earth, and those who didn't, there was an additional > duality. > > > > And if you came to believe there is duality, and then there is > > nonduality -- that belief certainly constitutes a duality. > > > > So, to resolve dualities is not to find a nonduality that is > outside > > of duality. > > > > It is to re-cognize the nondual in and as the dualities. > > > > And it is to " undermine " the basis for taking the survival program > as > > a bedrock establishment of what reality is -- on a nonverbal basis. > > > > -- Dan > > > > > Great Dan, > > > How did/does it appear to you when you make/made this recognition? > It is not a one-time occurrence. Everything that arises in > consciousness 24/7 is some sort of recognition, some of it being > logical and necessary for healthy 'survival of the ego-mechanism', > and some of it the mattering off matters that are self-promoting at > the expense of our " natural " nature. > > I have spoken of it since day one. For me recognition was in the > here-to-fore appearances of dualities. And balancing them in the > mind of " Anna " where only the heart of One appears, so to speak. > > > lst: consciousness assumes its separateness in the act of being > alive as an individual > > 2nd: consciousness lives in separateness in the nature of being > separated in/as/of the fabric of our lives: in our surroundsings: > being the following: > > 3rd: In our surroundings, having made the separation between this > and that, we fall into our bodies that give credibility to > certain 'patterns' that are promoted as sexual orientation. > > 4th: In our bodies of man or woman, we give weight to the minor, or > major issues inherent with being alive in our physical bodies, > monthly cycles, issues of power and strength, etc. > > 5th: In our bodies we buy into thought patterns handed down by > society religion and parental influence as to how these bodies > should act, behave, think and be. Sexually or otherwise. Habitual > thinking. > > 6th: In buying into these thought patterns, everyone at different > times in different ways tries to escape being 'type-cast'. How this > evolves is the evolution of each human being. Refined thinking. > > 7th: In the evolution of each human being--the individual, the > intense fire of desire to unite appears as all types of worldly or > indivual events. The play of Life. Lila. > > 8th: In the conscious participation in the play of life, the One > decides to play For All. > > > have to go now, > later, > Anna > " :-0 " the chakras only burn with passion with the illusion of self and other other wise there is merely the warm and gentle flow of pure and simple subtle and infinite love no? (-; ~*~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > LOL.....'begs'?.......I don't, I didn't, I wouldn't, I will not, EVER > > beg for anything.....particularily correction or forgivness.....how > > Catholic you are getting to be. And just a quickie on this > > humdinger.....who elected you to be the corrector of > > anything.......try a little humility and also try to get real. Nobody > > is need of correction from you or any other quarter....are you saying > > something is WRONG? whenever 'wrong' is around, then there gotta be > > something 'right'.....I guess your assuming that that > > something 'right' is your opinion.......sorry guy.... that dog don't > > hunt......you better get a better grip on things man.You say there > > are no things, no people, no nothing, but then you turn right around > > and are going to correct something called agreement with > > delusion......methinks toomey that YOU are going delusional. Have a > > scone like a nice lad and come up with something better than this or > > teacher may have to sit you on that high chair in front of the > > classroom wearing that funny cone hat again. > > > > .........bob > The belief that some have a better handle on 'spirituality' then > others is delusional. > > > Oh I know....You have a lot of ideas what religion and spirituality > are all about.......but they are all made up Bob. > > > There really is no such thing....and no one to whom they could pertain. > > > > toombaru > Of all the living creatures on earth.......only one has come up with religion (spirituality). That should tell you all you need to know. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > LOL.....'begs'?.......I don't, I didn't, I wouldn't, I will not, EVER > > > beg for anything.....particularily correction or forgivness.....how > > > Catholic you are getting to be. And just a quickie on this > > > humdinger.....who elected you to be the corrector of > > > anything.......try a little humility and also try to get real. Nobody > > > is need of correction from you or any other quarter....are you saying > > > something is WRONG? whenever 'wrong' is around, then there gotta be > > > something 'right'.....I guess your assuming that that > > > something 'right' is your opinion.......sorry guy.... that dog don't > > > hunt......you better get a better grip on things man.You say there > > > are no things, no people, no nothing, but then you turn right around > > > and are going to correct something called agreement with > > > delusion......methinks toomey that YOU are going delusional. Have a > > > scone like a nice lad and come up with something better than this or > > > teacher may have to sit you on that high chair in front of the > > > classroom wearing that funny cone hat again. > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The belief that some have a better handle on 'spirituality' then > > others is delusional. > > > > > > Oh I know....You have a lot of ideas what religion and spirituality > > are all about.......but they are all made up Bob. > > > > > > There really is no such thing....and no one to whom they could pertain. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Of all the living creatures on earth.......only one has come up with > religion (spirituality). > > That should tell you all you need to know. > > > toombaru > you mean, ants or bees, as they worship the queen, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL.....'begs'?.......I don't, I didn't, I wouldn't, I will not, > EVER > > > > beg for anything.....particularily correction or forgivness.....how > > > > Catholic you are getting to be. And just a quickie on this > > > > humdinger.....who elected you to be the corrector of > > > > anything.......try a little humility and also try to get real. > Nobody > > > > is need of correction from you or any other quarter....are you > saying > > > > something is WRONG? whenever 'wrong' is around, then there gotta be > > > > something 'right'.....I guess your assuming that that > > > > something 'right' is your opinion.......sorry guy.... that dog > don't > > > > hunt......you better get a better grip on things man.You say there > > > > are no things, no people, no nothing, but then you turn right > around > > > > and are going to correct something called agreement with > > > > delusion......methinks toomey that YOU are going delusional. Have a > > > > scone like a nice lad and come up with something better than > this or > > > > teacher may have to sit you on that high chair in front of the > > > > classroom wearing that funny cone hat again. > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The belief that some have a better handle on 'spirituality' then > > > others is delusional. > > > > > > > > > Oh I know....You have a lot of ideas what religion and spirituality > > > are all about.......but they are all made up Bob. > > > > > > > > > There really is no such thing....and no one to whom they could > pertain. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Of all the living creatures on earth.......only one has come up with > > religion (spirituality). > > > > That should tell you all you need to know. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > you mean, ants or bees, as they worship the queen, right? > When the queen dies.......they make another. Worship is unique to humans. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > LOL.....'begs'?.......I don't, I didn't, I wouldn't, I will not, EVER > > > beg for anything.....particularily correction or forgivness.....how > > > Catholic you are getting to be. And just a quickie on this > > > humdinger.....who elected you to be the corrector of > > > anything.......try a little humility and also try to get real. Nobody > > > is need of correction from you or any other quarter....are you saying > > > something is WRONG? whenever 'wrong' is around, then there gotta be > > > something 'right'.....I guess your assuming that that > > > something 'right' is your opinion.......sorry guy.... that dog don't > > > hunt......you better get a better grip on things man.You say there > > > are no things, no people, no nothing, but then you turn right around > > > and are going to correct something called agreement with > > > delusion......methinks toomey that YOU are going delusional. Have a > > > scone like a nice lad and come up with something better than this or > > > teacher may have to sit you on that high chair in front of the > > > classroom wearing that funny cone hat again. > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The belief that some have a better handle on 'spirituality' then > > others is delusional. > > > > > > Oh I know....You have a lot of ideas what religion and spirituality > > are all about.......but they are all made up Bob. > > > > > > There really is no such thing....and no one to whom they could pertain. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Of all the living creatures on earth.......only one has come up with > religion (spirituality). > > That should tell you all you need to know. > > > toombaru only on Earth?.....well sir, and this is also true of art, mathematics, farming,architecture, road building, cooking jam, making up atomic theory, ditto the theory of relativity....well dang it all, this seems to be the case for everything.....not just religion which as we know is not spirituality which, is a birthright and exists even before the earth and sun..... and that brings me back to the deal about it only having to be one who comes up with all the stuff (except spirituality which is in fact that somewhat which even allows us to 'be' or discuss these things)......what about on extraterrestial planetoids where there exist(by sheer probability and sense) other beings....do they need several people(or beings of their type)to come up with this stuff? I need to know. would you have the answer for other planets as well....by the way if it's the same you can see you need to make your list of things that " only one has come up with " , a heck of a lot longer than to include just religion(which of course is not spirituality)........and THAT should tell you all you need to know. .........bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL.....'begs'?.......I don't, I didn't, I wouldn't, I will not, > EVER > > > > beg for anything.....particularily correction or forgivness.....how > > > > Catholic you are getting to be. And just a quickie on this > > > > humdinger.....who elected you to be the corrector of > > > > anything.......try a little humility and also try to get real. > Nobody > > > > is need of correction from you or any other quarter....are you > saying > > > > something is WRONG? whenever 'wrong' is around, then there gotta be > > > > something 'right'.....I guess your assuming that that > > > > something 'right' is your opinion.......sorry guy.... that dog > don't > > > > hunt......you better get a better grip on things man.You say there > > > > are no things, no people, no nothing, but then you turn right > around > > > > and are going to correct something called agreement with > > > > delusion......methinks toomey that YOU are going delusional. Have a > > > > scone like a nice lad and come up with something better than > this or > > > > teacher may have to sit you on that high chair in front of the > > > > classroom wearing that funny cone hat again. > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The belief that some have a better handle on 'spirituality' then > > > others is delusional. > > > > > > > > > Oh I know....You have a lot of ideas what religion and spirituality > > > are all about.......but they are all made up Bob. > > > > > > > > > There really is no such thing....and no one to whom they could > pertain. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Of all the living creatures on earth.......only one has come up with > > religion (spirituality). > > > > That should tell you all you need to know. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > you mean, ants or bees, as they worship the queen, right? " Just Right " ... ;-));-)));-)))) ......the Big Bear.................bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL.....'begs'?.......I don't, I didn't, I wouldn't, I will not, > > EVER > > > > > beg for anything.....particularily correction or > forgivness.....how > > > > > Catholic you are getting to be. And just a quickie on this > > > > > humdinger.....who elected you to be the corrector of > > > > > anything.......try a little humility and also try to get real. > > Nobody > > > > > is need of correction from you or any other quarter....are you > > saying > > > > > something is WRONG? whenever 'wrong' is around, then there > gotta be > > > > > something 'right'.....I guess your assuming that that > > > > > something 'right' is your opinion.......sorry guy.... that dog > > don't > > > > > hunt......you better get a better grip on things man.You say > there > > > > > are no things, no people, no nothing, but then you turn right > > around > > > > > and are going to correct something called agreement with > > > > > delusion......methinks toomey that YOU are going delusional. > Have a > > > > > scone like a nice lad and come up with something better than > > this or > > > > > teacher may have to sit you on that high chair in front of the > > > > > classroom wearing that funny cone hat again. > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The belief that some have a better handle on 'spirituality' then > > > > others is delusional. > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh I know....You have a lot of ideas what religion and spirituality > > > > are all about.......but they are all made up Bob. > > > > > > > > > > > > There really is no such thing....and no one to whom they could > > pertain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of all the living creatures on earth.......only one has come up with > > > religion (spirituality). > > > > > > That should tell you all you need to know. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > you mean, ants or bees, as they worship the queen, right? > > > > > > When the queen dies.......they make another. > > Worship is unique to humans. > > > toombaru now about those other planets............. ....bob(from the planet Krypton) ..you know me by my other name) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL.....'begs'?.......I don't, I didn't, I wouldn't, I will not, > > EVER > > > > > beg for anything.....particularily correction or > forgivness.....how > > > > > Catholic you are getting to be. And just a quickie on this > > > > > humdinger.....who elected you to be the corrector of > > > > > anything.......try a little humility and also try to get real. > > Nobody > > > > > is need of correction from you or any other quarter....are you > > saying > > > > > something is WRONG? whenever 'wrong' is around, then there > gotta be > > > > > something 'right'.....I guess your assuming that that > > > > > something 'right' is your opinion.......sorry guy.... that dog > > don't > > > > > hunt......you better get a better grip on things man.You say > there > > > > > are no things, no people, no nothing, but then you turn right > > around > > > > > and are going to correct something called agreement with > > > > > delusion......methinks toomey that YOU are going delusional. > Have a > > > > > scone like a nice lad and come up with something better than > > this or > > > > > teacher may have to sit you on that high chair in front of the > > > > > classroom wearing that funny cone hat again. > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The belief that some have a better handle on 'spirituality' then > > > > others is delusional. > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh I know....You have a lot of ideas what religion and spirituality > > > > are all about.......but they are all made up Bob. > > > > > > > > > > > > There really is no such thing....and no one to whom they could > > pertain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of all the living creatures on earth.......only one has come up with > > > religion (spirituality). > > > > > > That should tell you all you need to know. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > you mean, ants or bees, as they worship the queen, right? > > > > > > When the queen dies.......they make another. > > Worship is unique to humans. > > > toombaru > when jesus dies....... ((-; Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > THE original attitude of the American Indian toward the > Eternal, > > > > > the " Great Mystery " that surrounds and embraces us, was as > > > simple as > > > > > it was exalted. To him it was the supreme conception, > bringing > > > with > > > > > it the fullest measure of joy and satisfaction possible in > this > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter how refined the perception of the 'Supreme' > is.....it is > > > > merly more of the same ole me and God duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > That may be true on one level, Toomie, but the native peoples > did > > > not live at odds with their environment, the most elementental > > > beginning of duality. > > > > > > I/we live my/our life(s) here in this space called earth. Most > folks > > > never consider it, let alone pay hommage. > > > > > > And most of us never experience the joy of nature, or its > inherent > > > Silence. > > > > > > Anna > > > > The most elemental beginning of duality is when you first believed > you > > had encountered something outside of yourself. > > > > When you experienced (nonverbally) a situation in which there > could be > > a threat to someone and someone to be threatened. > > > > This is formed from and as the basic nonverbal survival program - - > > which " later on " leads to words being believed. > > > > When you believed a word must signify something existing, there was > > duality. > > > > When you " later " came to believe there were those who lived in > harmony > > with the earth, and those who didn't, there was an additional > duality. > > > > And if you came to believe there is duality, and then there is > > nonduality -- that belief certainly constitutes a duality. > > > > So, to resolve dualities is not to find a nonduality that is > outside > > of duality. > > > > It is to re-cognize the nondual in and as the dualities. > > > > And it is to " undermine " the basis for taking the survival program > as > > a bedrock establishment of what reality is -- on a nonverbal basis. > > > > -- Dan > > > > > Great Dan, > > > How did/does it appear to you when you make/made this recognition? > It is not a one-time occurrence. Everything that arises in > consciousness 24/7 is some sort of recognition, some of it being > logical and necessary for healthy 'survival of the ego-mechanism', > and some of it the mattering off matters that are self-promoting at > the expense of our " natural " nature. > > I have spoken of it since day one. For me recognition was in the > here-to-fore appearances of dualities. And balancing them in the > mind of " Anna " where only the heart of One appears, so to speak. > > > lst: consciousness assumes its separateness in the act of being > alive as an individual > > 2nd: consciousness lives in separateness in the nature of being > separated in/as/of the fabric of our lives: in our surroundsings: > being the following: > > 3rd: In our surroundings, having made the separation between this > and that, we fall into our bodies that give credibility to > certain 'patterns' that are promoted as sexual orientation. > > 4th: In our bodies of man or woman, we give weight to the minor, or > major issues inherent with being alive in our physical bodies, > monthly cycles, issues of power and strength, etc. > > 5th: In our bodies we buy into thought patterns handed down by > society religion and parental influence as to how these bodies > should act, behave, think and be. Sexually or otherwise. Habitual > thinking. > > 6th: In buying into these thought patterns, everyone at different > times in different ways tries to escape being 'type-cast'. How this > evolves is the evolution of each human being. Refined thinking. > > 7th: In the evolution of each human being--the individual, the > intense fire of desire to unite appears as all types of worldly or > indivual events. The play of Life. Lila. > > 8th: In the conscious participation in the play of life, the One > decides to play For All. > > > have to go now, > later, > Anna > Its a hard day's work, maintaining all those forums on the net, isn't it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL.....'begs'?.......I don't, I didn't, I wouldn't, I will > not, EVER > > > > beg for anything.....particularily correction or > forgivness.....how > > > > Catholic you are getting to be. And just a quickie on this > > > > humdinger.....who elected you to be the corrector of > > > > anything.......try a little humility and also try to get real. > Nobody > > > > is need of correction from you or any other quarter....are you > saying > > > > something is WRONG? whenever 'wrong' is around, then there > gotta be > > > > something 'right'.....I guess your assuming that that > > > > something 'right' is your opinion.......sorry guy.... that dog > don't > > > > hunt......you better get a better grip on things man.You say > there > > > > are no things, no people, no nothing, but then you turn right > around > > > > and are going to correct something called agreement with > > > > delusion......methinks toomey that YOU are going delusional. > Have a > > > > scone like a nice lad and come up with something better than > this or > > > > teacher may have to sit you on that high chair in front of the > > > > classroom wearing that funny cone hat again. > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The belief that some have a better handle on 'spirituality' then > > > others is delusional. > > > > > > > > > Oh I know....You have a lot of ideas what religion and > spirituality > > > are all about.......but they are all made up Bob. > > > > > > > > > There really is no such thing....and no one to whom they could > pertain. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Of all the living creatures on earth.......only one has come up with > > religion (spirituality). > > > > That should tell you all you need to know. > > > > > > toombaru > > > only on Earth?.....well sir, and this is also true of art, > mathematics, farming,architecture, road building, cooking jam, making > up atomic theory, ditto the theory of relativity....well dang it all, > this seems to be the case for everything.....not just religion which > as we know is not spirituality which, is a birthright and exists > even before the earth and sun..... and that brings me back to the > deal about it only having to be one who comes up with all the stuff > (except spirituality which is in fact that somewhat which even allows > us to 'be' or discuss these things)......what about on > extraterrestial planetoids where there exist(by sheer probability and > sense) other beings....do they need several people(or beings of their > type)to come up with this stuff? I need to know. would you have the > answer for other planets as well....by the way if it's the same you > can see you need to make your list of things that " only one has come > up with " , a heck of a lot longer than to include just religion(which > of course is not spirituality)........and THAT should tell you all > you need to know. > > .........bob > too hot! ........)..: ~ goldy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL.....'begs'?.......I don't, I didn't, I wouldn't, I will > > not, EVER > > > > > beg for anything.....particularily correction or > > forgivness.....how > > > > > Catholic you are getting to be. And just a quickie on this > > > > > humdinger.....who elected you to be the corrector of > > > > > anything.......try a little humility and also try to get real. > > Nobody > > > > > is need of correction from you or any other quarter....are you > > saying > > > > > something is WRONG? whenever 'wrong' is around, then there > > gotta be > > > > > something 'right'.....I guess your assuming that that > > > > > something 'right' is your opinion.......sorry guy.... that dog > > don't > > > > > hunt......you better get a better grip on things man.You say > > there > > > > > are no things, no people, no nothing, but then you turn right > > around > > > > > and are going to correct something called agreement with > > > > > delusion......methinks toomey that YOU are going delusional. > > Have a > > > > > scone like a nice lad and come up with something better than > > this or > > > > > teacher may have to sit you on that high chair in front of the > > > > > classroom wearing that funny cone hat again. > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The belief that some have a better handle on 'spirituality' then > > > > others is delusional. > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh I know....You have a lot of ideas what religion and > > spirituality > > > > are all about.......but they are all made up Bob. > > > > > > > > > > > > There really is no such thing....and no one to whom they could > > pertain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of all the living creatures on earth.......only one has come up with > > > religion (spirituality). > > > > > > That should tell you all you need to know. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > only on Earth?.....well sir, and this is also true of art, > > mathematics, farming,architecture, road building, cooking jam, making > > up atomic theory, ditto the theory of relativity....well dang it all, > > this seems to be the case for everything.....not just religion which > > as we know is not spirituality which, is a birthright and exists > > even before the earth and sun..... and that brings me back to the > > deal about it only having to be one who comes up with all the stuff > > (except spirituality which is in fact that somewhat which even allows > > us to 'be' or discuss these things)......what about on > > extraterrestial planetoids where there exist(by sheer probability and > > sense) other beings....do they need several people(or beings of their > > type)to come up with this stuff? I need to know. would you have the > > answer for other planets as well....by the way if it's the same you > > can see you need to make your list of things that " only one has come > > up with " , a heck of a lot longer than to include just religion (which > > of course is not spirituality)........and THAT should tell you all > > you need to know. > > > > .........bob > > > > > too hot! > > .......)..: > > ~ goldy It's meant for Big Bears......which makes it Just So and Just Right Ms. Locks...... ;> ......bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > THE original attitude of the American Indian toward the > > Eternal, > > > > > > the " Great Mystery " that surrounds and embraces us, was as > > > > simple as > > > > > > it was exalted. To him it was the supreme conception, > > bringing > > > > with > > > > > > it the fullest measure of joy and satisfaction possible in > > this > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter how refined the perception of the 'Supreme' > > is.....it is > > > > > merly more of the same ole me and God duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That may be true on one level, Toomie, but the native peoples > > did > > > > not live at odds with their environment, the most elementental > > > > beginning of duality. > > > > > > > > I/we live my/our life(s) here in this space called earth. Most > > folks > > > > never consider it, let alone pay hommage. > > > > > > > > And most of us never experience the joy of nature, or its > > inherent > > > > Silence. > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > The most elemental beginning of duality is when you first > believed > > you > > > had encountered something outside of yourself. > > > > > > When you experienced (nonverbally) a situation in which there > > could be > > > a threat to someone and someone to be threatened. > > > > > > This is formed from and as the basic nonverbal survival program - > - > > > which " later on " leads to words being believed. > > > > > > When you believed a word must signify something existing, there > was > > > duality. > > > > > > When you " later " came to believe there were those who lived in > > harmony > > > with the earth, and those who didn't, there was an additional > > duality. > > > > > > And if you came to believe there is duality, and then there is > > > nonduality -- that belief certainly constitutes a duality. > > > > > > So, to resolve dualities is not to find a nonduality that is > > outside > > > of duality. > > > > > > It is to re-cognize the nondual in and as the dualities. > > > > > > And it is to " undermine " the basis for taking the survival > program > > as > > > a bedrock establishment of what reality is -- on a nonverbal > basis. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > Great Dan, > > > > > > How did/does it appear to you when you make/made this recognition? > > It is not a one-time occurrence. Everything that arises in > > consciousness 24/7 is some sort of recognition, some of it being > > logical and necessary for healthy 'survival of the ego-mechanism', > > and some of it the mattering off matters that are self-promoting > at > > the expense of our " natural " nature. > > > > I have spoken of it since day one. For me recognition was in the > > here-to-fore appearances of dualities. And balancing them in the > > mind of " Anna " where only the heart of One appears, so to speak. > > > > > > lst: consciousness assumes its separateness in the act of being > > alive as an individual > > > > 2nd: consciousness lives in separateness in the nature of being > > separated in/as/of the fabric of our lives: in our > surroundsings: > > being the following: > > > > 3rd: In our surroundings, having made the separation between this > > and that, we fall into our bodies that give credibility to > > certain 'patterns' that are promoted as sexual orientation. > > > > 4th: In our bodies of man or woman, we give weight to the minor, > or > > major issues inherent with being alive in our physical bodies, > > monthly cycles, issues of power and strength, etc. > > > > 5th: In our bodies we buy into thought patterns handed down by > > society religion and parental influence as to how these bodies > > should act, behave, think and be. Sexually or otherwise. > Habitual > > thinking. > > > > 6th: In buying into these thought patterns, everyone at different > > times in different ways tries to escape being 'type-cast'. How > this > > evolves is the evolution of each human being. Refined thinking. > > > > 7th: In the evolution of each human being--the individual, the > > intense fire of desire to unite appears as all types of worldly or > > indivual events. The play of Life. Lila. > > > > 8th: In the conscious participation in the play of life, the One > > decides to play For All. > > > > > > have to go now, > > later, > > Anna > > > > Its a hard day's work, maintaining all those forums on the net, > isn't it? must be a killer job reading " all those forums " too...long, full, laborious work keeping d, posted, and up to date eh Spartacus. .......bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL.....'begs'?.......I don't, I didn't, I wouldn't, I will > > > not, EVER > > > > > > beg for anything.....particularily correction or > > > forgivness.....how > > > > > > Catholic you are getting to be. And just a quickie on this > > > > > > humdinger.....who elected you to be the corrector of > > > > > > anything.......try a little humility and also try to get > real. > > > Nobody > > > > > > is need of correction from you or any other quarter....are > you > > > saying > > > > > > something is WRONG? whenever 'wrong' is around, then there > > > gotta be > > > > > > something 'right'.....I guess your assuming that that > > > > > > something 'right' is your opinion.......sorry guy.... that > dog > > > don't > > > > > > hunt......you better get a better grip on things man.You > say > > > there > > > > > > are no things, no people, no nothing, but then you turn > right > > > around > > > > > > and are going to correct something called agreement with > > > > > > delusion......methinks toomey that YOU are going > delusional. > > > Have a > > > > > > scone like a nice lad and come up with something better > than > > > this or > > > > > > teacher may have to sit you on that high chair in front of > the > > > > > > classroom wearing that funny cone hat again. > > > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The belief that some have a better handle on 'spirituality' > then > > > > > others is delusional. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh I know....You have a lot of ideas what religion and > > > spirituality > > > > > are all about.......but they are all made up Bob. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There really is no such thing....and no one to whom they > could > > > pertain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of all the living creatures on earth.......only one has come up > with > > > > religion (spirituality). > > > > > > > > That should tell you all you need to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > only on Earth?.....well sir, and this is also true of art, > > > mathematics, farming,architecture, road building, cooking jam, > making > > > up atomic theory, ditto the theory of relativity....well dang it > all, > > > this seems to be the case for everything.....not just religion > which > > > as we know is not spirituality which, is a birthright and exists > > > even before the earth and sun..... and that brings me back to the > > > deal about it only having to be one who comes up with all the > stuff > > > (except spirituality which is in fact that somewhat which even > allows > > > us to 'be' or discuss these things)......what about on > > > extraterrestial planetoids where there exist(by sheer probability > and > > > sense) other beings....do they need several people(or beings of > their > > > type)to come up with this stuff? I need to know. would you have > the > > > answer for other planets as well....by the way if it's the same > you > > > can see you need to make your list of things that " only one has > come > > > up with " , a heck of a lot longer than to include just religion > (which > > > of course is not spirituality)........and THAT should tell you > all > > > you need to know. > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > too hot! > > > > .......)..: > > > > ~ goldy > > > It's meant for Big Bears......which makes it Just So and Just Right > Ms. Locks...... > > ;> > > ......bob > but i'm thy soul, kind sire.........please....i'm always here...with thee..... ~~~(~:! ~ golden one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THE original attitude of the American Indian toward the > > > Eternal, > > > > > > > the " Great Mystery " that surrounds and embraces us, was > as > > > > > simple as > > > > > > > it was exalted. To him it was the supreme conception, > > > bringing > > > > > with > > > > > > > it the fullest measure of joy and satisfaction possible > in > > > this > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter how refined the perception of the 'Supreme' > > > is.....it is > > > > > > merly more of the same ole me and God duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That may be true on one level, Toomie, but the native peoples > > > did > > > > > not live at odds with their environment, the most > elementental > > > > > beginning of duality. > > > > > > > > > > I/we live my/our life(s) here in this space called earth. > Most > > > folks > > > > > never consider it, let alone pay hommage. > > > > > > > > > > And most of us never experience the joy of nature, or its > > > inherent > > > > > Silence. > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > The most elemental beginning of duality is when you first > > believed > > > you > > > > had encountered something outside of yourself. > > > > > > > > When you experienced (nonverbally) a situation in which there > > > could be > > > > a threat to someone and someone to be threatened. > > > > > > > > This is formed from and as the basic nonverbal survival > program - > > - > > > > which " later on " leads to words being believed. > > > > > > > > When you believed a word must signify something existing, there > > was > > > > duality. > > > > > > > > When you " later " came to believe there were those who lived in > > > harmony > > > > with the earth, and those who didn't, there was an additional > > > duality. > > > > > > > > And if you came to believe there is duality, and then there is > > > > nonduality -- that belief certainly constitutes a duality. > > > > > > > > So, to resolve dualities is not to find a nonduality that is > > > outside > > > > of duality. > > > > > > > > It is to re-cognize the nondual in and as the dualities. > > > > > > > > And it is to " undermine " the basis for taking the survival > > program > > > as > > > > a bedrock establishment of what reality is -- on a nonverbal > > basis. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great Dan, > > > > > > > > > How did/does it appear to you when you make/made this recognition? > > > It is not a one-time occurrence. Everything that arises in > > > consciousness 24/7 is some sort of recognition, some of it being > > > logical and necessary for healthy 'survival of the ego- mechanism', > > > and some of it the mattering off matters that are self- promoting > > at > > > the expense of our " natural " nature. > > > > > > I have spoken of it since day one. For me recognition was in the > > > here-to-fore appearances of dualities. And balancing them in the > > > mind of " Anna " where only the heart of One appears, so to speak. > > > > > > > > > lst: consciousness assumes its separateness in the act of being > > > alive as an individual > > > > > > 2nd: consciousness lives in separateness in the nature of being > > > separated in/as/of the fabric of our lives: in our > > surroundsings: > > > being the following: > > > > > > 3rd: In our surroundings, having made the separation between > this > > > and that, we fall into our bodies that give credibility to > > > certain 'patterns' that are promoted as sexual orientation. > > > > > > 4th: In our bodies of man or woman, we give weight to the minor, > > or > > > major issues inherent with being alive in our physical bodies, > > > monthly cycles, issues of power and strength, etc. > > > > > > 5th: In our bodies we buy into thought patterns handed down by > > > society religion and parental influence as to how these bodies > > > should act, behave, think and be. Sexually or otherwise. > > Habitual > > > thinking. > > > > > > 6th: In buying into these thought patterns, everyone at > different > > > times in different ways tries to escape being 'type-cast'. How > > this > > > evolves is the evolution of each human being. Refined thinking. > > > > > > 7th: In the evolution of each human being--the individual, the > > > intense fire of desire to unite appears as all types of worldly > or > > > indivual events. The play of Life. Lila. > > > > > > 8th: In the conscious participation in the play of life, the One > > > decides to play For All. > > > > > > > > > have to go now, > > > later, > > > Anna > > > > > > > Its a hard day's work, maintaining all those forums on the net, > > isn't it? > > > must be a killer job reading " all those forums " too...long, full, > laborious work keeping d, posted, and up to date eh > Spartacus. > > .......bob > Did you really think...? Mel is the name, Bob. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL.....'begs'?.......I don't, I didn't, I wouldn't, I will > > > > not, EVER > > > > > > > beg for anything.....particularily correction or > > > > forgivness.....how > > > > > > > Catholic you are getting to be. And just a quickie on this > > > > > > > humdinger.....who elected you to be the corrector of > > > > > > > anything.......try a little humility and also try to get > > real. > > > > Nobody > > > > > > > is need of correction from you or any other quarter....are > > you > > > > saying > > > > > > > something is WRONG? whenever 'wrong' is around, then there > > > > gotta be > > > > > > > something 'right'.....I guess your assuming that that > > > > > > > something 'right' is your opinion.......sorry guy.... that > > dog > > > > don't > > > > > > > hunt......you better get a better grip on things man.You > > say > > > > there > > > > > > > are no things, no people, no nothing, but then you turn > > right > > > > around > > > > > > > and are going to correct something called agreement with > > > > > > > delusion......methinks toomey that YOU are going > > delusional. > > > > Have a > > > > > > > scone like a nice lad and come up with something better > > than > > > > this or > > > > > > > teacher may have to sit you on that high chair in front of > > the > > > > > > > classroom wearing that funny cone hat again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The belief that some have a better handle on 'spirituality' > > then > > > > > > others is delusional. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh I know....You have a lot of ideas what religion and > > > > spirituality > > > > > > are all about.......but they are all made up Bob. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There really is no such thing....and no one to whom they > > could > > > > pertain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of all the living creatures on earth.......only one has come up > > with > > > > > religion (spirituality). > > > > > > > > > > That should tell you all you need to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > only on Earth?.....well sir, and this is also true of art, > > > > mathematics, farming,architecture, road building, cooking jam, > > making > > > > up atomic theory, ditto the theory of relativity....well dang it > > all, > > > > this seems to be the case for everything.....not just religion > > which > > > > as we know is not spirituality which, is a birthright and exists > > > > even before the earth and sun..... and that brings me back to the > > > > deal about it only having to be one who comes up with all the > > stuff > > > > (except spirituality which is in fact that somewhat which even > > allows > > > > us to 'be' or discuss these things)......what about on > > > > extraterrestial planetoids where there exist(by sheer probability > > and > > > > sense) other beings....do they need several people(or beings of > > their > > > > type)to come up with this stuff? I need to know. would you have > > the > > > > answer for other planets as well....by the way if it's the same > > you > > > > can see you need to make your list of things that " only one has > > come > > > > up with " , a heck of a lot longer than to include just religion > > (which > > > > of course is not spirituality)........and THAT should tell you > > all > > > > you need to know. > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > too hot! > > > > > > .......)..: > > > > > > ~ goldy > > > > > > It's meant for Big Bears......which makes it Just So and Just Right > > Ms. Locks...... > > > > ;> > > > > ......bob > > > > > but i'm thy soul, kind sire.........please....i'm always here...with > thee..... > > > > ~~~(~:! > > ~ golden one ,':-) ;-S ..bob ....goin' < " }}}><\ = in a bit ;-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > <kailashana@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THE original attitude of the American Indian toward > the > > > > Eternal, > > > > > > > > the " Great Mystery " that surrounds and embraces us, > was > > as > > > > > > simple as > > > > > > > > it was exalted. To him it was the supreme conception, > > > > bringing > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > it the fullest measure of joy and satisfaction > possible > > in > > > > this > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter how refined the perception of the 'Supreme' > > > > is.....it is > > > > > > > merly more of the same ole me and God duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That may be true on one level, Toomie, but the native > peoples > > > > did > > > > > > not live at odds with their environment, the most > > elementental > > > > > > beginning of duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > I/we live my/our life(s) here in this space called earth. > > Most > > > > folks > > > > > > never consider it, let alone pay hommage. > > > > > > > > > > > > And most of us never experience the joy of nature, or its > > > > inherent > > > > > > Silence. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > The most elemental beginning of duality is when you first > > > believed > > > > you > > > > > had encountered something outside of yourself. > > > > > > > > > > When you experienced (nonverbally) a situation in which > there > > > > could be > > > > > a threat to someone and someone to be threatened. > > > > > > > > > > This is formed from and as the basic nonverbal survival > > program - > > > - > > > > > which " later on " leads to words being believed. > > > > > > > > > > When you believed a word must signify something existing, > there > > > was > > > > > duality. > > > > > > > > > > When you " later " came to believe there were those who lived > in > > > > harmony > > > > > with the earth, and those who didn't, there was an > additional > > > > duality. > > > > > > > > > > And if you came to believe there is duality, and then there > is > > > > > nonduality -- that belief certainly constitutes a duality. > > > > > > > > > > So, to resolve dualities is not to find a nonduality that is > > > > outside > > > > > of duality. > > > > > > > > > > It is to re-cognize the nondual in and as the dualities. > > > > > > > > > > And it is to " undermine " the basis for taking the survival > > > program > > > > as > > > > > a bedrock establishment of what reality is -- on a nonverbal > > > basis. > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > How did/does it appear to you when you make/made this > recognition? > > > > It is not a one-time occurrence. Everything that arises in > > > > consciousness 24/7 is some sort of recognition, some of it > being > > > > logical and necessary for healthy 'survival of the ego- > mechanism', > > > > and some of it the mattering off matters that are self- > promoting > > > at > > > > the expense of our " natural " nature. > > > > > > > > I have spoken of it since day one. For me recognition was in > the > > > > here-to-fore appearances of dualities. And balancing them in > the > > > > mind of " Anna " where only the heart of One appears, so to > speak. > > > > > > > > > > > > lst: consciousness assumes its separateness in the act of > being > > > > alive as an individual > > > > > > > > 2nd: consciousness lives in separateness in the nature of > being > > > > separated in/as/of the fabric of our lives: in our > > > surroundsings: > > > > being the following: > > > > > > > > 3rd: In our surroundings, having made the separation between > > this > > > > and that, we fall into our bodies that give credibility to > > > > certain 'patterns' that are promoted as sexual orientation. > > > > > > > > 4th: In our bodies of man or woman, we give weight to the > minor, > > > or > > > > major issues inherent with being alive in our physical bodies, > > > > monthly cycles, issues of power and strength, etc. > > > > > > > > 5th: In our bodies we buy into thought patterns handed down > by > > > > society religion and parental influence as to how these bodies > > > > should act, behave, think and be. Sexually or otherwise. > > > Habitual > > > > thinking. > > > > > > > > 6th: In buying into these thought patterns, everyone at > > different > > > > times in different ways tries to escape being 'type-cast'. > How > > > this > > > > evolves is the evolution of each human being. Refined > thinking. > > > > > > > > 7th: In the evolution of each human being--the individual, > the > > > > intense fire of desire to unite appears as all types of > worldly > > or > > > > indivual events. The play of Life. Lila. > > > > > > > > 8th: In the conscious participation in the play of life, the > One > > > > decides to play For All. > > > > > > > > > > > > have to go now, > > > > later, > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > Its a hard day's work, maintaining all those forums on the net, > > > isn't it? > > > > > > must be a killer job reading " all those forums " too...long, full, > > laborious work keeping d, posted, and up to date eh > > Spartacus. > > > > .......bob > > > > Did you really think...? > > Mel is the name, Bob. I like that name Mel......I like it even better that you can have fun with a joke........have you noticed some participants can't seem to even get the idea one has been given, let alone 'getting' the joke? oh well...such is hell for the cool....even eden could be east of elsewhere. ;-) .......bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL.....'begs'?.......I don't, I didn't, I wouldn't, I > will > > > > > not, EVER > > > > > > > > beg for anything.....particularily correction or > > > > > forgivness.....how > > > > > > > > Catholic you are getting to be. And just a quickie on > this > > > > > > > > humdinger.....who elected you to be the corrector of > > > > > > > > anything.......try a little humility and also try to > get > > > real. > > > > > Nobody > > > > > > > > is need of correction from you or any other > quarter....are > > > you > > > > > saying > > > > > > > > something is WRONG? whenever 'wrong' is around, then > there > > > > > gotta be > > > > > > > > something 'right'.....I guess your assuming that that > > > > > > > > something 'right' is your opinion.......sorry guy.... > that > > > dog > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > hunt......you better get a better grip on things > man.You > > > say > > > > > there > > > > > > > > are no things, no people, no nothing, but then you turn > > > right > > > > > around > > > > > > > > and are going to correct something called agreement > with > > > > > > > > delusion......methinks toomey that YOU are going > > > delusional. > > > > > Have a > > > > > > > > scone like a nice lad and come up with something better > > > than > > > > > this or > > > > > > > > teacher may have to sit you on that high chair in front > of > > > the > > > > > > > > classroom wearing that funny cone hat again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The belief that some have a better handle > on 'spirituality' > > > then > > > > > > > others is delusional. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh I know....You have a lot of ideas what religion and > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > are all about.......but they are all made up Bob. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There really is no such thing....and no one to whom they > > > could > > > > > pertain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of all the living creatures on earth.......only one has > come up > > > with > > > > > > religion (spirituality). > > > > > > > > > > > > That should tell you all you need to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only on Earth?.....well sir, and this is also true of art, > > > > > mathematics, farming,architecture, road building, cooking > jam, > > > making > > > > > up atomic theory, ditto the theory of relativity....well dang > it > > > all, > > > > > this seems to be the case for everything.....not just > religion > > > which > > > > > as we know is not spirituality which, is a birthright and > exists > > > > > even before the earth and sun..... and that brings me back to > the > > > > > deal about it only having to be one who comes up with all the > > > stuff > > > > > (except spirituality which is in fact that somewhat which > even > > > allows > > > > > us to 'be' or discuss these things)......what about on > > > > > extraterrestial planetoids where there exist(by sheer > probability > > > and > > > > > sense) other beings....do they need several people(or beings > of > > > their > > > > > type)to come up with this stuff? I need to know. would you > have > > > the > > > > > answer for other planets as well....by the way if it's the > same > > > you > > > > > can see you need to make your list of things that " only one > has > > > come > > > > > up with " , a heck of a lot longer than to include just religion > > > (which > > > > > of course is not spirituality)........and THAT should tell > you > > > all > > > > > you need to know. > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too hot! > > > > > > > > .......)..: > > > > > > > > ~ goldy > > > > > > > > > It's meant for Big Bears......which makes it Just So and Just > Right > > > Ms. Locks...... > > > > > > ;> > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > > > but i'm thy soul, kind sire.........please....i'm always here...with > > thee..... > > > > > > > > ~~~(~:! > > > > ~ golden one > > > ,':-) > > ;-S > > ..bob ....goin' < " }}}><\ = in a bit ;-) > you an' anna bob anna bob the same spelled forwards and backwards they got you coming and going always on the run polindrome, palindrome where do you all roam? ~*~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL.....'begs'?.......I don't, I didn't, I wouldn't, I > > will > > > > > > not, EVER > > > > > > > > > beg for anything.....particularily correction or > > > > > > forgivness.....how > > > > > > > > > Catholic you are getting to be. And just a quickie on > > this > > > > > > > > > humdinger.....who elected you to be the corrector of > > > > > > > > > anything.......try a little humility and also try to > > get > > > > real. > > > > > > Nobody > > > > > > > > > is need of correction from you or any other > > quarter....are > > > > you > > > > > > saying > > > > > > > > > something is WRONG? whenever 'wrong' is around, then > > there > > > > > > gotta be > > > > > > > > > something 'right'.....I guess your assuming that that > > > > > > > > > something 'right' is your opinion.......sorry guy.... > > that > > > > dog > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > hunt......you better get a better grip on things > > man.You > > > > say > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > are no things, no people, no nothing, but then you turn > > > > right > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > and are going to correct something called agreement > > with > > > > > > > > > delusion......methinks toomey that YOU are going > > > > delusional. > > > > > > Have a > > > > > > > > > scone like a nice lad and come up with something better > > > > than > > > > > > this or > > > > > > > > > teacher may have to sit you on that high chair in front > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > > > classroom wearing that funny cone hat again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The belief that some have a better handle > > on 'spirituality' > > > > then > > > > > > > > others is delusional. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh I know....You have a lot of ideas what religion and > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > are all about.......but they are all made up Bob. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There really is no such thing....and no one to whom they > > > > could > > > > > > pertain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of all the living creatures on earth.......only one has > > come up > > > > with > > > > > > > religion (spirituality). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That should tell you all you need to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only on Earth?.....well sir, and this is also true of art, > > > > > > mathematics, farming,architecture, road building, cooking > > jam, > > > > making > > > > > > up atomic theory, ditto the theory of relativity....well dang > > it > > > > all, > > > > > > this seems to be the case for everything.....not just > > religion > > > > which > > > > > > as we know is not spirituality which, is a birthright and > > exists > > > > > > even before the earth and sun..... and that brings me back to > > the > > > > > > deal about it only having to be one who comes up with all the > > > > stuff > > > > > > (except spirituality which is in fact that somewhat which > > even > > > > allows > > > > > > us to 'be' or discuss these things)......what about on > > > > > > extraterrestial planetoids where there exist(by sheer > > probability > > > > and > > > > > > sense) other beings....do they need several people(or beings > > of > > > > their > > > > > > type)to come up with this stuff? I need to know. would you > > have > > > > the > > > > > > answer for other planets as well....by the way if it's the > > same > > > > you > > > > > > can see you need to make your list of things that " only one > > has > > > > come > > > > > > up with " , a heck of a lot longer than to include just religion > > > > (which > > > > > > of course is not spirituality)........and THAT should tell > > you > > > > all > > > > > > you need to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too hot! > > > > > > > > > > .......)..: > > > > > > > > > > ~ goldy > > > > > > > > > > > > It's meant for Big Bears......which makes it Just So and Just > > Right > > > > Ms. Locks...... > > > > > > > > ;> > > > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > but i'm thy soul, kind sire.........please....i'm always here...with > > > thee..... > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~(~:! > > > > > > ~ golden one > > > > > > ,':-) > > > > ;-S > > > > ..bob ....goin' < " }}}><\ = in a bit ;-) > > > > > you an' anna bob anna bob > the same spelled > forwards and backwards > > they got you coming and going > > always on the run > > polindrome, > palindrome > where do you all > roam? > > ~*~ where the buffalo do.....home on range......not so strange, and a change, from the mange of the dear deer......who roam with the words and the bison and Plaindromes of Paladins. ........ bobanna(bob-bob-bob-bob-bob-a-ran) also related to Rosanne Rosaneadana " it's always somethin! 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > <kailashana@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THE original attitude of the American Indian toward > > the > > > > > Eternal, > > > > > > > > > the " Great Mystery " that surrounds and embraces us, > > was > > > as > > > > > > > simple as > > > > > > > > > it was exalted. To him it was the supreme conception, > > > > > bringing > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > it the fullest measure of joy and satisfaction > > possible > > > in > > > > > this > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter how refined the perception of the 'Supreme' > > > > > is.....it is > > > > > > > > merly more of the same ole me and God duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That may be true on one level, Toomie, but the native > > peoples > > > > > did > > > > > > > not live at odds with their environment, the most > > > elementental > > > > > > > beginning of duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I/we live my/our life(s) here in this space called earth. > > > Most > > > > > folks > > > > > > > never consider it, let alone pay hommage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And most of us never experience the joy of nature, or its > > > > > inherent > > > > > > > Silence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > The most elemental beginning of duality is when you first > > > > believed > > > > > you > > > > > > had encountered something outside of yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > When you experienced (nonverbally) a situation in which > > there > > > > > could be > > > > > > a threat to someone and someone to be threatened. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is formed from and as the basic nonverbal survival > > > program - > > > > - > > > > > > which " later on " leads to words being believed. > > > > > > > > > > > > When you believed a word must signify something existing, > > there > > > > was > > > > > > duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > When you " later " came to believe there were those who lived > > in > > > > > harmony > > > > > > with the earth, and those who didn't, there was an > > additional > > > > > duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > And if you came to believe there is duality, and then there > > is > > > > > > nonduality -- that belief certainly constitutes a duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, to resolve dualities is not to find a nonduality that > is > > > > > outside > > > > > > of duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is to re-cognize the nondual in and as the dualities. > > > > > > > > > > > > And it is to " undermine " the basis for taking the survival > > > > program > > > > > as > > > > > > a bedrock establishment of what reality is -- on a > nonverbal > > > > basis. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How did/does it appear to you when you make/made this > > recognition? > > > > > It is not a one-time occurrence. Everything that arises in > > > > > consciousness 24/7 is some sort of recognition, some of it > > being > > > > > logical and necessary for healthy 'survival of the ego- > > mechanism', > > > > > and some of it the mattering off matters that are self- > > promoting > > > > at > > > > > the expense of our " natural " nature. > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken of it since day one. For me recognition was in > > the > > > > > here-to-fore appearances of dualities. And balancing them in > > the > > > > > mind of " Anna " where only the heart of One appears, so to > > speak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lst: consciousness assumes its separateness in the act of > > being > > > > > alive as an individual > > > > > > > > > > 2nd: consciousness lives in separateness in the nature of > > being > > > > > separated in/as/of the fabric of our lives: in our > > > > surroundsings: > > > > > being the following: > > > > > > > > > > 3rd: In our surroundings, having made the separation between > > > this > > > > > and that, we fall into our bodies that give credibility to > > > > > certain 'patterns' that are promoted as sexual orientation. > > > > > > > > > > 4th: In our bodies of man or woman, we give weight to the > > minor, > > > > or > > > > > major issues inherent with being alive in our physical > bodies, > > > > > monthly cycles, issues of power and strength, etc. > > > > > > > > > > 5th: In our bodies we buy into thought patterns handed down > > by > > > > > society religion and parental influence as to how these > bodies > > > > > should act, behave, think and be. Sexually or otherwise. > > > > Habitual > > > > > thinking. > > > > > > > > > > 6th: In buying into these thought patterns, everyone at > > > different > > > > > times in different ways tries to escape being 'type- cast'. > > How > > > > this > > > > > evolves is the evolution of each human being. Refined > > thinking. > > > > > > > > > > 7th: In the evolution of each human being--the individual, > > the > > > > > intense fire of desire to unite appears as all types of > > worldly > > > or > > > > > indivual events. The play of Life. Lila. > > > > > > > > > > 8th: In the conscious participation in the play of life, the > > One > > > > > decides to play For All. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to go now, > > > > > later, > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its a hard day's work, maintaining all those forums on the net, > > > > isn't it? > > > > > > > > > must be a killer job reading " all those forums " too...long, full, > > > laborious work keeping d, posted, and up to date eh > > > Spartacus. > > > > > > .......bob > > > > > > > Did you really think...? > > > > Mel is the name, Bob. > > > I like that name Mel......I like it even better that you can have fun > with a joke........have you noticed some participants can't seem to > even get the idea one has been given, let alone 'getting' the joke? > oh well...such is hell for the cool....even eden could be east of > elsewhere. > > ;-) > > .......bob I have observed this list from the fence for a bit and noticed and followed quite a few of the regulars, especially the Guru's and the Hamlet's, but also the sincere students. 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " > <mstrdmmlbrn@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > <kailashana@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > <dan330033@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THE original attitude of the American Indian > toward > > > the > > > > > > Eternal, > > > > > > > > > > the " Great Mystery " that surrounds and embraces > us, > > > was > > > > as > > > > > > > > simple as > > > > > > > > > > it was exalted. To him it was the supreme > conception, > > > > > > bringing > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > it the fullest measure of joy and satisfaction > > > possible > > > > in > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter how refined the perception of > the 'Supreme' > > > > > > is.....it is > > > > > > > > > merly more of the same ole me and God duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That may be true on one level, Toomie, but the native > > > peoples > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > not live at odds with their environment, the most > > > > elementental > > > > > > > > beginning of duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I/we live my/our life(s) here in this space called > earth. > > > > Most > > > > > > folks > > > > > > > > never consider it, let alone pay hommage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And most of us never experience the joy of nature, or > its > > > > > > inherent > > > > > > > > Silence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most elemental beginning of duality is when you > first > > > > > believed > > > > > > you > > > > > > > had encountered something outside of yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you experienced (nonverbally) a situation in which > > > there > > > > > > could be > > > > > > > a threat to someone and someone to be threatened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is formed from and as the basic nonverbal survival > > > > program - > > > > > - > > > > > > > which " later on " leads to words being believed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you believed a word must signify something > existing, > > > there > > > > > was > > > > > > > duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you " later " came to believe there were those who > lived > > > in > > > > > > harmony > > > > > > > with the earth, and those who didn't, there was an > > > additional > > > > > > duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if you came to believe there is duality, and then > there > > > is > > > > > > > nonduality -- that belief certainly constitutes a > duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, to resolve dualities is not to find a nonduality > that > > is > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > of duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is to re-cognize the nondual in and as the dualities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it is to " undermine " the basis for taking the > survival > > > > > program > > > > > > as > > > > > > > a bedrock establishment of what reality is -- on a > > nonverbal > > > > > basis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How did/does it appear to you when you make/made this > > > recognition? > > > > > > It is not a one-time occurrence. Everything that arises > in > > > > > > consciousness 24/7 is some sort of recognition, some of it > > > being > > > > > > logical and necessary for healthy 'survival of the ego- > > > mechanism', > > > > > > and some of it the mattering off matters that are self- > > > promoting > > > > > at > > > > > > the expense of our " natural " nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken of it since day one. For me recognition was > in > > > the > > > > > > here-to-fore appearances of dualities. And balancing them > in > > > the > > > > > > mind of " Anna " where only the heart of One appears, so to > > > speak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lst: consciousness assumes its separateness in the act of > > > being > > > > > > alive as an individual > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd: consciousness lives in separateness in the nature of > > > being > > > > > > separated in/as/of the fabric of our lives: in our > > > > > surroundsings: > > > > > > being the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd: In our surroundings, having made the separation > between > > > > this > > > > > > and that, we fall into our bodies that give credibility to > > > > > > certain 'patterns' that are promoted as sexual orientation. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th: In our bodies of man or woman, we give weight to the > > > minor, > > > > > or > > > > > > major issues inherent with being alive in our physical > > bodies, > > > > > > monthly cycles, issues of power and strength, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th: In our bodies we buy into thought patterns handed > down > > > by > > > > > > society religion and parental influence as to how these > > bodies > > > > > > should act, behave, think and be. Sexually or otherwise. > > > > > Habitual > > > > > > thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th: In buying into these thought patterns, everyone at > > > > different > > > > > > times in different ways tries to escape being 'type- > cast'. > > > How > > > > > this > > > > > > evolves is the evolution of each human being. Refined > > > thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th: In the evolution of each human being--the > individual, > > > the > > > > > > intense fire of desire to unite appears as all types of > > > worldly > > > > or > > > > > > indivual events. The play of Life. Lila. > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th: In the conscious participation in the play of life, > the > > > One > > > > > > decides to play For All. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to go now, > > > > > > later, > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its a hard day's work, maintaining all those forums on the > net, > > > > > isn't it? > > > > > > > > > > > > must be a killer job reading " all those forums " too...long, > full, > > > > laborious work keeping d, posted, and up to date eh > > > > Spartacus. > > > > > > > > .......bob > > > > > > > > > > Did you really think...? > > > > > > Mel is the name, Bob. > > > > > > I like that name Mel......I like it even better that you can have > fun > > with a joke........have you noticed some participants can't seem > to > > even get the idea one has been given, let alone 'getting' the > joke? > > oh well...such is hell for the cool....even eden could be east of > > elsewhere. > > > > ;-) > > > > .......bob > > I have observed this list from the fence for a bit and noticed and > followed quite a few of the regulars, especially the Guru's and the > Hamlet's, but also the sincere students. > Can only conclude; Its an awesome comedy. > like everything else Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
