Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > <jasondedonno@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- jasondedonno <jasondedonno@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Neo-Advaita gives in fact boils down to the > seductive > > > > > > formula > > > > > > > > > that " there is nothing you can do or need to do, all you > > > have > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > know is that there is no one there. " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Alan Adam Jacobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That sounds wonderful. What a way to explain it! Jesus, > > Buddha, > > > > > > > > Krishna - no-one there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The operative word in the quote is " seductive " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, " SOUNDS wonderful " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > So, this is rubbish too then? It seems I can't open my mouth > hear > > > > > > without getting it wrong!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As soon as a word is spoken.......it is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speech is going to the river......with a teaspoon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > A teaspoon of your love goes a long way. > > > > > > ~ 8 ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's all water. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > All One, > Too, > Two, > Tu > > ~ 8 ~ > Oh, no it's Mr. Bill, it's toombaru down by the riverside, it's all rock n roll Pete it's Patricia flowing gently it's iietsa being Being it's werner knowing Knowing it's all hur it's all him it's all larry curley and moe it's all silver, it's all gold it's all niz, it's all naz it's all here, it's all there it's all ripe, it's all breaking shells it's all one song, it's all the song of One Love, lovin' spoonful, one taste at a time salt and sugar sugar and spice old spice and saffron MELLOW YELLOW *Donovan* I'm just mad about Saffron. A-Saffron's mad about me. I'm-a just mad about Saffron. She's just mad about me. They call me Mellow Yellow, Quite rightly. They call me Mellow Yellow, Quite rightly. They call me Mellow Yellow. I'm just mad about Frontine. A-Frontine's mad about me. I'm-a just mad about-a Frontine. A-She's just mad about me. They call me Mellow Yellow. They call me Mellow Yellow, Quite rightly. They call me Mellow Yellow. Born-a high forever to fly. Wind-a velocity nil. Born-a high forever to fly. If you want your cup, I will fill. They call me Mellow Yellow, Quite rightly. They call me Mellow Yellow, Quite rightly. They call me Mellow Yellow. So mellow yellow.. Electrical banana Is gonna be a sudden craze. Electrical banana Is bound to be the very next phase. They call it Mellow Yellow, Quite rightly. They call me Mellow Yellow, Quite rightly. They call me Mellow Yellow. Saffron, yeah. I'm just-a mad about her. I'm-a just-a mad about-a Saffron. She's just mad about me. They call me Mellow Yellow, Quite rightly. They call me Mellow Yellow, Quite rightly. They call me Mellow Yellow. Oh, so yellow.. Oh, so mellow.. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " > > <jasondedonno@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- jasondedonno <jasondedonno@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Neo-Advaita gives in fact boils down to the > > seductive > > > > > > > formula > > > > > > > > > > that " there is nothing you can do or need to do, > all you > > > > have > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > know is that there is no one there. " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Alan Adam Jacobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That sounds wonderful. What a way to explain it! > Jesus, > > > Buddha, > > > > > > > > > Krishna - no-one there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The operative word in the quote is " seductive " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, " SOUNDS wonderful " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, this is rubbish too then? It seems I can't open my > mouth > > hear > > > > > > > without getting it wrong!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As soon as a word is spoken.......it is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speech is going to the river......with a teaspoon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A teaspoon of your love goes a long way. > > > > > > > > ~ 8 ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's all water. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > All One, > > Too, > > Two, > > Tu > > > > ~ 8 ~ > > > > > > Oh, no it's Mr. Bill, > it's toombaru down by the riverside, > it's all rock n roll Pete > it's Patricia flowing gently > it's iietsa being Being > it's werner knowing Knowing > it's all hur it's all him > it's all larry curley and moe > it's all silver, it's all gold > > it's all niz, it's all naz > it's all here, it's all there > it's all ripe, it's all breaking shells > it's all one song, it's all the song of One > > Love, > > lovin' spoonful, > one taste at a time > salt and sugar > sugar and spice > old spice and saffron > > > MELLOW YELLOW *Donovan* > > I'm just mad about Saffron. > A-Saffron's mad about me. > I'm-a just mad about Saffron. > She's just mad about me. > > They call me Mellow Yellow, > Quite rightly. > They call me Mellow Yellow, > Quite rightly. > They call me Mellow Yellow. > > I'm just mad about Frontine. > A-Frontine's mad about me. > I'm-a just mad about-a Frontine. > A-She's just mad about me. > > They call me Mellow Yellow. > They call me Mellow Yellow, > Quite rightly. > They call me Mellow Yellow. > > Born-a high forever to fly. > Wind-a velocity nil. > Born-a high forever to fly. > If you want your cup, I will fill. > > They call me Mellow Yellow, > Quite rightly. > They call me Mellow Yellow, > Quite rightly. > They call me Mellow Yellow. > > So mellow yellow.. > > Electrical banana > Is gonna be a sudden craze. > Electrical banana > Is bound to be the very next phase. > > They call it Mellow Yellow, > Quite rightly. > They call me Mellow Yellow, > Quite rightly. > They call me Mellow Yellow. > > Saffron, yeah. > I'm just-a mad about her. > I'm-a just-a mad about-a Saffron. > She's just mad about me. > > They call me Mellow Yellow, > Quite rightly. > They call me Mellow Yellow, > Quite rightly. > They call me Mellow Yellow. > > Oh, so yellow.. > Oh, so mellow.. > > > ;-) > Much would be missed If the list hadn't Ana in it's midst ~ 8 ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 > > > > > > > > What Neo-Advaita gives in fact boils down to the > > seductive formula that " there is nothing you can do or need to do, > > all you have to know is that there is no one there. " ... 1) Be wary of getting stuck in formulaic thinking. 2) Isn't knowing, doing something? 3) There is nothing needed BUT you Need to know there is no one there? Other than these three points, I agree with the premise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 --- Richard <richarkar wrote: > > > > > > > > > What Neo-Advaita gives in fact boils down to the > > > seductive formula that " there is nothing you can do or need to do, > > > all you have to know is that there is no one there. " ... > > 1) Be wary of getting stuck in formulaic thinking. > 2) Isn't knowing, doing something? > 3) There is nothing needed BUT you Need to know there is no one there? > > Other than these three points, I agree with the premise. > One problem with the premise is the presumption that it all boils down to " what you need to know " . That is a very mental point of view, and a very limited one. Take that simple statement: " All you have to know is that there is no one there. " All you have to know for *what*? So much is left out. All you have to know to realize Complete Bliss? All you have to know to realize your true Self? Or what? And what does " know " mean in that statement? Does it mean just mentally accept as a *belief* that there is no one there/here? Clearly that would be useless. To *accept* that there is no one there/here and to *know* it are very different things. And any inquiry into what " to know it " means in this context goes very deep... so deep in fact that it amounts to " realizing your true Self " . In other words, the " premise " says not a damn thing. Oh... and one more thing: what about the contradiction in the " premise " . How can a no-one-there need to know anything, and realize to do or not do anything! It is one of those things that sounds good if you don't really investigate it. But as I have shown above, under the merest investigation it falls to pieces. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What Neo-Advaita gives in fact boils down to the > > > seductive formula that " there is nothing you can do or need to do, > > > all you have to know is that there is no one there. " ... > > 1) Be wary of getting stuck in formulaic thinking. > 2) Isn't knowing, doing something? > 3) There is nothing needed BUT you Need to know there is no one there? > > Other than these three points, I agree with the premise. > In the last sentence........the entire dream city was rebuilt. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart wrote: > > > > --- Richard <richarkar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > What Neo-Advaita gives in fact boils down to the > > > > seductive formula that " there is nothing you can do or need to do, > > > > all you have to know is that there is no one there. " ... > > > > 1) Be wary of getting stuck in formulaic thinking. > > 2) Isn't knowing, doing something? > > 3) There is nothing needed BUT you Need to know there is no one there? > > > > Other than these three points, I agree with the premise. > > > > One problem with the premise is the presumption that > it all boils down to " what you need to know " . > > That is a very mental point of view, and a very limited one. > > Take that simple statement: " All you have to know is that there > is no one there. " > All you have to know for *what*? > > So much is left out. > > All you have to know to realize Complete Bliss? > All you have to know to realize your true Self? > Or what? > > And what does " know " mean in that statement? > Does it mean just mentally accept as a *belief* that there > is no one there/here? Clearly that would be useless. > To *accept* that there is no one there/here and to *know* > it are very different things. And any inquiry into what > " to know it " means in this context goes very deep... > so deep in fact that it amounts to " realizing your true Self " . > > In other words, the " premise " says not a damn thing. > > Oh... and one more thing: what about the contradiction in > the " premise " . How can a no-one-there need to know anything, > and realize to do or not do anything! > > It is one of those things that sounds good if you don't really > investigate it. But as I have shown above, under the merest > investigation it falls to pieces. > > > Bill > > > All beliefs need a home......a place in which to live. In matters psychological......all homes are built of beliefs. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > All beliefs need a home......a place in which to live. > > In matters psychological......all homes are built of beliefs. > > > > toombaru A belief seeks to have a home in a belief... Ah, the endless tension, splitting, and attempting. And still, no home to be had, as the belief can't be sustained outside of the seeking, nor the seeking sustained outside of the belief. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > All beliefs need a home......a place in which to live. > > > > In matters psychological......all homes are built of beliefs. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > A belief seeks to have a home in a belief... > > Ah, the endless tension, splitting, and attempting. > > And still, no home to be had, as the belief can't be sustained > outside of the seeking, nor the seeking sustained outside of the > belief. > > -- D. > There is no place for man to rest his weary head. toombaru (and Christ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > All beliefs need a home......a place in which to live. > > > > > > In matters psychological......all homes are built of beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > A belief seeks to have a home in a belief... > > > > Ah, the endless tension, splitting, and attempting. > > > > And still, no home to be had, as the belief can't be sustained > > outside of the seeking, nor the seeking sustained outside of the > > belief. > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > There is no place for man to rest his weary head. > > > > toombaru > > > > (and Christ) > Only the best of all places: No-place: U-topia* *1551, from Mod.L. Utopia, lit. " nowhere, " coined by Thomas More (and used as title of his book, 1516, about an imaginary island enjoying perfect legal, social, and political systems), from Gk. ou " not " + topos " place. " Extended to " any perfect place, " 1613. Utopian, as a noun meaning " visionary idealist, " is first recorded c.1873. L8 ~~*****~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > All beliefs need a home......a place in which to live. > > > > > > > > In matters psychological......all homes are built of beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > A belief seeks to have a home in a belief... > > > > > > Ah, the endless tension, splitting, and attempting. > > > > > > And still, no home to be had, as the belief can't be sustained > > > outside of the seeking, nor the seeking sustained outside of the > > > belief. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no place for man to rest his weary head. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > (and Christ) > > > > > Only the best of all places: > No-place: > > U-topia* > > > *1551, from Mod.L. Utopia, lit. " nowhere, " coined by Thomas More (and > used as title of his book, 1516, about an imaginary island enjoying > perfect legal, social, and political systems), from Gk. ou " not " + > topos " place. " Extended to " any perfect place, " 1613. Utopian, as a > noun meaning " visionary idealist, " is first recorded c.1873. > > L8 > > ~~*****~~ > " There is a place of peace......joy and complete happiness.......but no one lives there. " Don Juan Matus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > All beliefs need a home......a place in which to live. > > > > > > In matters psychological......all homes are built of beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > A belief seeks to have a home in a belief... > > > > Ah, the endless tension, splitting, and attempting. > > > > And still, no home to be had, as the belief can't be sustained > > outside of the seeking, nor the seeking sustained outside of the > > belief. > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > There is no place for man to rest his weary head. > > > > toombaru > > > > (and Christ) and in this order of course :-)) ..........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All beliefs need a home......a place in which to live. > > > > > > > > > > In matters psychological......all homes are built of beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > A belief seeks to have a home in a belief... > > > > > > > > Ah, the endless tension, splitting, and attempting. > > > > > > > > And still, no home to be had, as the belief can't be sustained > > > > outside of the seeking, nor the seeking sustained outside of the > > > > belief. > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no place for man to rest his weary head. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > (and Christ) > > > > > > > > > Only the best of all places: > > No-place: > > > > U-topia* > > > > > > *1551, from Mod.L. Utopia, lit. " nowhere, " coined by Thomas More (and > > used as title of his book, 1516, about an imaginary island enjoying > > perfect legal, social, and political systems), from Gk. ou " not " + > > topos " place. " Extended to " any perfect place, " 1613. Utopian, as a > > noun meaning " visionary idealist, " is first recorded c.1873. > > > > L8 > > > > ~~*****~~ > > > > > > " There is a place of peace......joy and complete happiness.......but > no one lives there. " > > > > Don Juan Matus > Aged sage fish, Enraged wage fish A place Beyond oppression Outside this cage We call the ocean Evolution L8 ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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