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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>Yes, to identify the limiting boundaries of an idea is useful. This

can >be done with all ideas.

>Phil

 

for what can it be useful... what do you think?

Stefan

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ADHHUB

Nisargadatta

Monday, February 13, 2006 3:43 AM

Re: about you Werner??

 

 

 

In a message dated 2/12/2006 1:42:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" Anna Ruiz " <nli10u

Re: about you Werner??

 

 

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ADHHUB

Nisargadatta

Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:17 AM

Re: about you Werner??

 

 

 

In a message dated 2/11/2006 1:52:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" Stefan " <s.petersilge

Re: about you Werner??

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>That's the insanity of continuously calling folks on their falseness.

 

To call the false " false " has nothing to do with " calling folks on

their falseness " . Its not us folks who are false. But all those

unnecessary concepts... misunderstood spirituality... are forming the

cloud that surrounds us.

 

Phil, in the long run, I have profited much more from those who had

the courage to call my spiritual constructions " baloney " than from

those, who said " yes sir, you are right " .

 

But of course, short term the " false " will do everything to justify

itself. Understandable!

 

Greetings

Stefan

 

 

 

 

 

Possibly, I didn't make my point very clear. I often challenge the beliefs

of others and am challenged in turn. Contemplating both scenarios has been

very

useful to me. Truth is more important to me than any concepts I hold, which

are only stepping stones and crutches that perhaps I can do away with all

together at some point.

 

When I look at concepts, I don't see some concepts that are true and others

that are false, and when someone separates concepts in this way, it betrays

a

misunderstanding. I see concepts distributed on a continuum, not of right and

 

wrong or correct and incorrect, but one that is relative to the context of a

given understanding. IOW, as one's understanding evolves, the concepts

evolve along with it, and none of these concepts is actually true in the

absolute

sense and so it's not meaningful to call any of them false.

 

If I see a more expansive view of a concept, I offer it, not to make any

concept wrong, but just to reduce it's ability to limit as all concepts do.

 

 

Phil

 

 

This is what we do on these lists, dharmic battles. Honing our swords of

truth even as we speak. Some truths never change, some do no-thing but

change.

 

If there are any kinks in our armor, it will be seen.

 

Raise The Vibration,

Ana

 

 

 

 

If what is seen is battles, swords and armor, then perhaps bloodshed is

unavoidable. If what is seen is a dedication to our own divine nature and an

unconditional love of Truth, maybe the outcome would be different. Mayhaps

the

difference between the two is just a matter of raising one's vibration? ;)

 

Phil

 

Thank you for the clarification, Phil

 

In a strange way, both bloodshed and peace raise the vibration as it is what

it is, how it is.

how we can and do raise the vibration is in choosing love above the truth,

above and over what Is.

We see the inherent kinks, flaws, pockets of unloving Reality that would be

King.

 

I very much appreciate the opportunity know you all.

 

Love,

Ana

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u wrote:

 

>

> boom!!

>

>

> Darling, I'd say most of the world is functioning on quite a low

vibe.

> One person taking it higher can balance thousands on a low, or so

I have heard ;-)

 

 

 

Funny, my impression is that we we need to slow down and rather

watch then act. Hmmm...

 

 

 

 

> Thanks for your concern Len. Where are u from? Lisbon?

 

 

 

 

I wish I were. But it´s Netherlands, tough luck.

 

Len

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Monday, February 13, 2006 12:28 PM

Re: about you Werner??

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u wrote:

 

>

> boom!!

>

>

> Darling, I'd say most of the world is functioning on quite a low

vibe.

> One person taking it higher can balance thousands on a low, or so

I have heard ;-)

 

 

 

Funny, my impression is that we we need to slow down and rather

watch then act. Hmmm...

 

 

hmm. could we be doing both simultaneously?

 

I wonder....

 

 

 

 

 

> Thanks for your concern Len. Where are u from? Lisbon?

 

 

 

 

I wish I were. But it´s Netherlands, tough luck.

 

Len

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 2/11/2006 1:52:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u

> Re: Re: about you Werner??

>

> boom!!

>

>

> Darling, I'd say most of the world is functioning on quite a low

vibe.

> One person taking it higher can balance thousands on a low, or so

I have

> heard ;-)

>

> Thanks for your concern Len. Where are u from? Lisbon?

>

> Ana

>

>

>

> I basically agree with that, but allow me to offer my

understanding of what

> it means. It doesn't relate to behaving in some particular way or

to causing

> someone to understand something they don't already know. It's

about raising

> our own level of consciousness; our spiritual awareness, if you

will.

>

> In one context, all of humanity draw from what might be

conceptualized as a

> field of collective consciousness. As we know, we're not separate

in the

> context of consciousness. All of creation is continuously

manifested from and

> within consciousness. Ultimately, the human doesn't 'do' anything

to advance

> consciousness because it doesn't exist as an entity with

independent volition,

> and yet the experiential vehicle seemingly evolves. It does not

cause others to

> evolve. From a human perspective, we raise the consciousness of

humanity

> only by raising our own consciousness.

>

> Phil

 

 

And what does " raising your own consciousness " mean to you

practically?

 

Len

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Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u wrote:

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> lissbon2002

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, February 13, 2006 12:28 PM

> Re: about you Werner??

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@> wrote:

>

> >

> > boom!!

> >

> >

> > Darling, I'd say most of the world is functioning on quite a

low

> vibe.

> > One person taking it higher can balance thousands on a low, or

so

> I have heard ;-)

>

>

>

> Funny, my impression is that we we need to slow down and rather

> watch then act. Hmmm...

>

>

> hmm. could we be doing both simultaneously?

>

> I wonder....

 

 

 

I don´t think so.

Watching is more then enough, the rest happens by itself.

 

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In a message dated 2/13/2006 1:34:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,

lissbon2002 writes:

 

> Darling, I'd say most of the world is functioning on quite a

> low vibe.

>

 

L.E: Too bad. Guess it's the best the Infinite Universe can do.

Maybe if you pray, it will try harder.

 

Larry

 

 

 

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In a message dated 2/13/2006 4:35:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" Stefan " <s.petersilge

Re: about you Werner??

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>Yes, to identify the limiting boundaries of an idea is useful. This

can >be done with all ideas.

>Phil

 

for what can it be useful... what do you think?

Stefan

 

 

 

 

Well, see, here's how me mind cogitates on that there. All concepts limit

understanding by their nature because they're all mental constructs that obscure

the Truth, which is not a concept. Howsoever, conceptualizing is what the

mind does, and as much as some of us conceptualize that stopping the

conceptualizing is the thing to do, it's still just another concept. IOW, the

mind can

never be used to stop the mind, and we have nothing else to work with. There

goes the shortcut to realization.

 

What needs to occur is what occurs regardless of how the mind decides what

needs to occur. The possibility of acceptance is explored. The realization that

dualistic desire is a sham occurs. The questioning about God occurs until

there are no more questions. One gets the idea that the 'plan' is for ego/mind

to experience all of this for itself and it's going to occur regardless of

what ego wants to bypass.

 

Given that, the idea is not to pretend that the mind doesn't conceptualize

or pretend that the choice can be made to stop the thoughts or pretend that ego

doesn't exist in spite of our identification with it. These are all ego

tricks designed to avoid the inevitable experience. So, if the mind wants to

think, let it think with passion and clarity. Walk into the process that cannot

be avoided anyway. This is willingness and the acceptance of what is.

 

Once we stop trying to avoid the inevitable, we notice that all concepts are

not created equal. We start to recognize that, as we push at the conceptual

boundaries, those boundaries expand, along with awareness. We're no longer

locked in denial about all the paradoxes created by those comfy, simplistic

ideas. Ego and all it's shenanigans are challenged as the truth is revealed. The

mind starts to have difficulty grasping the concepts and slowly begins to

accept that it can never think it's way to God. The realization begins to gain

strength that what they say may actually be true; the ultimate realization of

Truth only occurs when the mind is finally ready to just stop. Not when we

choose to stop it, but when we truly understand that there's no other way out

of the illusion that mind itself creates.

 

It doesn't occur when ego decides it should occur. The exploring stops when

we're done exploring. God wins after all. Who woulda thunk it? Nobody, which

is exactly why the thunking must continue, until it doesn't. We can spend a

few more lifetimes pretending that we have a better plan than God, or we can

put the whole game on fast forward and be home by dinner time. When it comes to

Reality, choice is an illusion, but since time is also an illusion, you're

free to choose how much of it elapses between now and the final buzzer, but ya

gotta play the game.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 2/13/2006 4:35:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

This is what we do on these lists, dharmic battles. Honing our swords of

truth even as we speak. Some truths never change, some do no-thing but

change.

 

If there are any kinks in our armor, it will be seen.

 

Raise The Vibration,

Ana

 

 

 

 

If what is seen is battles, swords and armor, then perhaps bloodshed is

unavoidable. If what is seen is a dedication to our own divine nature and an

 

unconditional love of Truth, maybe the outcome would be different. Mayhaps

the

difference between the two is just a matter of raising one's vibration? ;)

 

Phil

 

Thank you for the clarification, Phil

 

In a strange way, both bloodshed and peace raise the vibration as it is what

it is, how it is.

how we can and do raise the vibration is in choosing love above the truth,

above and over what Is.

We see the inherent kinks, flaws, pockets of unloving Reality that would be

King.

 

I very much appreciate the opportunity know you all.

 

Love,

Ana

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, in fact great struggle is by far the most effective means of evolution

of consciousness. This is one reason I don't campaign to raise the vibration.

It will all occur in it's own good time, perhaps with the minimum daily

requirement of suffering.

 

 

What is meant by " choosing love above the truth " ? Surely I didn't hear you

right.

 

All I see is love seeking love where love seems not to be. Perhaps we

shouldn't confuse evolution with a mistake.

 

I'm very pleased to have made your acquaintance as well, Ana.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>Howsoever, conceptualizing is what the mind does, and as much as some

>of us conceptualize that stopping the conceptualizing is the thing to

>do, it's still just another concept. IOW, the mind can never be used

to >stop the mind, and we have nothing else to work with.

 

Thanks Phil for your answer... and I think the above is all that has

to be understood! Beyond this understanding all that can be done is:

live a life of dignity. The mind will go on conceptualizing: this is

its task, it is the survival mechanism.

 

What I called " baloney " (to come back to the original subject) is the

way how one conceptualizes the storeroom " mind " itself and put it into a

certain grandiose framework by inventing instances that " logically "

are behind it, or different " states " that are experienced: this is the

" baloney " especially when it is sold as spiritual wisdom, that has to

be " understood " (read: believed) in order to become " enlightened "

(read: a good boy). You know what I mean.

 

Greetings

Stefan

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In a message dated 2/14/2006 11:32:19 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" Stefan " <s.petersilge

Re: about you Werner??

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>Howsoever, conceptualizing is what the mind does, and as much as some

>of us conceptualize that stopping the conceptualizing is the thing to

>do, it's still just another concept. IOW, the mind can never be used

to >stop the mind, and we have nothing else to work with.

 

Thanks Phil for your answer... and I think the above is all that has

to be understood! Beyond this understanding all that can be done is:

live a life of dignity. The mind will go on conceptualizing: this is

its task, it is the survival mechanism.

 

What I called " baloney " (to come back to the original subject) is the

way how one conceptualizes the storeroom " mind " itself and put it into a

certain grandiose framework by inventing instances that " logically "

are behind it, or different " states " that are experienced: this is the

" baloney " especially when it is sold as spiritual wisdom, that has to

be " understood " (read: believed) in order to become " enlightened "

(read: a good boy). You know what I mean.

 

Greetings

Stefan

 

 

 

 

Sure, but it's just the seeming process of the evolution of human

consciousness (A concept). Humans usually mistake themselves for teachers as we

explore

our own consciousness, but it doesn't really matter.

 

The gurus teach us that nothing can be done to bring awareness, mostly

because there is nobody to do it. This is true, but this is yet another

concept,eh? I don't reject that concept, but I'm noticing some interesting

things. Even

the gurus notice that a disciplined mind and one that has actively explored

the illusory nature of it's experience is strongly correlated with

enlightenment. IOW, it very much matters what the mind does as it evolves toward

it's

own dissolution. There is indeed an evolutionary process and it's not really a

matter of waiting around for the grace of God to descend. Who's grace would

that really be?

 

The teaching is intended to assure ego that it is not in control of the

process of enlightenment, but this is not to say that there is no process

occurring. One might ask why the teaching is done if there is not some sort of

process going on. When ego hears that there is nothing to be done, it stops

exploring, which has the advantage of weakening ego's intent to cause

enlightenment

to occur and may facilitate a degree of surrender to God. However, human

consciousness is not done exploring and so believing that it must stop

thinking,

stop asking questions, stop looking within for the truth, amounts to

spiritual stagnation and resistance. This is yet another part of the evolution

over

which ego has no control, and so nothing can be done about this.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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Hi Phil, you are giving me food for thought :-)

 

As you speak about gurus and the teaching... what does " teaching "

mean? Lets look at the traditional way of a guru/desciple

relationship, as Nisargadatta has described it many times. The

rational aspect is not all. There is love, devotion, surrender and

trust. This is very strong tobacco for the mind, who thinks those are

opposed to freedom from beliefs. Especially hard for the western mind!

 

Anyway, the master knows the dilemma: when he emphasizes that the mind

is not in control of " waking up " , then there is danger that the

desciple becomes lazy and only decorates his suffering. When the

master encourages the desciple to use conscious effort then there is

danger that he postpones the goal ad infinitum and walking the path

becomes an end in itself.

 

The relationship between master and desciple can help. Notice how

Nisargadatta talks about his own master and how it was his trust that

made it happen. Being with someone of deep understanding does not

create the realization. But it can create a vision beyond the

incrossable line. It is like teaching music: a good teacher does not

mainly teach by explaining how to play. He teaches by playing.

 

In a deeper sense the master is already inside. But he needs love,

devotion and trust to manifest. Those are emotions that weaken the

strength of the ego which takes itself for the most important entity

of the world. And this aproach can be undertaken by an adult person

only, who does not anymore seek to be feeded... but seeks because he

knows that there is nothing to lose but his head.

 

Greetings

Stefan

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

 

>Sure, but it's just the seeming process of the evolution of human

>consciousness (A concept). Humans usually mistake themselves for

teachers as we explore

>our own consciousness, but it doesn't really matter.

>

>The gurus teach us that nothing can be done to bring awareness, mostly

> because there is nobody to do it. This is true, but this is yet

another

> concept,eh? I don't reject that concept, but I'm noticing some

interesting things. Even

> the gurus notice that a disciplined mind and one that has actively

explored

> the illusory nature of it's experience is strongly correlated with

> enlightenment. IOW, it very much matters what the mind does as it

evolves toward it's

> own dissolution. There is indeed an evolutionary process and it's

not really a

> matter of waiting around for the grace of God to descend. Who's

grace would

> that really be?

>

> The teaching is intended to assure ego that it is not in control of

the

> process of enlightenment, but this is not to say that there is no

process

> occurring. One might ask why the teaching is done if there is not

some sort of

> process going on. When ego hears that there is nothing to be done,

it stops

> exploring, which has the advantage of weakening ego's intent to

cause enlightenment

> to occur and may facilitate a degree of surrender to God. However,

human

> consciousness is not done exploring and so believing that it must

stop thinking,

> stop asking questions, stop looking within for the truth, amounts to

> spiritual stagnation and resistance. This is yet another part of the

evolution over

> which ego has no control, and so nothing can be done about this.

>

> Phil

>

>

>

>

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--- Stefan <s.petersilge a écrit :

 

 

 

Hi Phil, you are giving me food for thought :-)

 

As you speak about gurus and the teaching... what does

" teaching "

mean? Lets look at the traditional way of a

guru/desciple

relationship, as Nisargadatta has described it many

times. The

rational aspect is not all. There is love, devotion,

surrender and

trust. This is very strong tobacco for the mind, who

thinks those are

opposed to freedom from beliefs. Especially hard for

the western mind!

 

Anyway, the master knows the dilemma: when he

emphasizes that the mind

is not in control of " waking up " , then there is danger

that the

desciple becomes lazy and only decorates his

suffering. When the

master encourages the desciple to use conscious effort

then there is

danger that he postpones the goal ad infinitum and

walking the path

becomes an end in itself.

 

The relationship between master and desciple can help.

Notice how

Nisargadatta talks about his own master and how it was

his trust that

made it happen. Being with someone of deep

understanding does not

create the realization. But it can create a vision

beyond the

incrossable line. It is like teaching music: a good

teacher does not

mainly teach by explaining how to play. He teaches by

playing.

 

In a deeper sense the master is already inside. But he

needs love,

devotion and trust to manifest. Those are emotions

that weaken the

strength of the ego which takes itself for the most

important entity

of the world. And this aproach can be undertaken by an

adult person

only, who does not anymore seek to be feeded... but

seeks because he

knows that there is nothing to lose but his head.

 

Greetings

Stefan

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

 

>Sure, but it's just the seeming process of the

evolution of human

>consciousness (A concept). Humans usually mistake

themselves for

teachers as we explore

>our own consciousness, but it doesn't really matter.

>

>The gurus teach us that nothing can be done to bring

awareness, mostly

> because there is nobody to do it. This is true, but

this is yet

another

> concept,eh? I don't reject that concept, but I'm

noticing some

interesting things. Even

> the gurus notice that a disciplined mind and one

that has actively

explored

> the illusory nature of it's experience is strongly

correlated with

> enlightenment. IOW, it very much matters what the

mind does as it

evolves toward it's

> own dissolution. There is indeed an evolutionary

process and it's

not really a

> matter of waiting around for the grace of God to

descend. Who's

grace would

> that really be?

>

> The teaching is intended to assure ego that it is

not in control of

the

> process of enlightenment, but this is not to say

that there is no

process

> occurring. One might ask why the teaching is done if

there is not

some sort of

> process going on. When ego hears that there is

nothing to be done,

it stops

> exploring, which has the advantage of weakening

ego's intent to

cause enlightenment

> to occur and may facilitate a degree of surrender to

God. However,

human

> consciousness is not done exploring and so believing

that it must

stop thinking,

> stop asking questions, stop looking within for the

truth, amounts to

> spiritual stagnation and resistance. This is yet

another part of the

evolution over

> which ego has no control, and so nothing can be done

about this.

>

> Phil

.................................................................................

Devotion, trust, surrender, patience..........

All those are attributes from the heart aren`t they?

If those don`t have a part in our daily walk, it will

be sterile.

........dry........pretentious........and awfully

boring.

Patricia

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 2/15/2006 4:16:42 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" Stefan " <s.petersilge

Re: about you Werner??

 

Hi Phil, you are giving me food for thought :-)

 

As you speak about gurus and the teaching... what does " teaching "

mean? Lets look at the traditional way of a guru/desciple

relationship, as Nisargadatta has described it many times. The

rational aspect is not all. There is love, devotion, surrender and

trust. This is very strong tobacco for the mind, who thinks those are

opposed to freedom from beliefs. Especially hard for the western mind!

 

Anyway, the master knows the dilemma: when he emphasizes that the mind

is not in control of " waking up " , then there is danger that the

desciple becomes lazy and only decorates his suffering. When the

master encourages the desciple to use conscious effort then there is

danger that he postpones the goal ad infinitum and walking the path

becomes an end in itself.

 

The relationship between master and desciple can help. Notice how

Nisargadatta talks about his own master and how it was his trust that

made it happen. Being with someone of deep understanding does not

create the realization. But it can create a vision beyond the

incrossable line. It is like teaching music: a good teacher does not

mainly teach by explaining how to play. He teaches by playing.

 

In a deeper sense the master is already inside. But he needs love,

devotion and trust to manifest. Those are emotions that weaken the

strength of the ego which takes itself for the most important entity

of the world. And this aproach can be undertaken by an adult person

only, who does not anymore seek to be feeded... but seeks because he

knows that there is nothing to lose but his head.

 

Greetings

Stefan

 

 

 

Yes, well said and I agree.

You say:

 

 

 

" Anyway, the master knows the dilemma: when he emphasizes that the mind

is not in control of " waking up " , then there is danger that the

desciple becomes lazy and only decorates his suffering. When the

master encourages the desciple to use conscious effort then there is

danger that he postpones the goal ad infinitum and walking the path

becomes an end in itself. "

 

 

 

So, if mind believes it can do nothing, perhaps evolution ceases. If it

believes it can do something, ego reinforces it's illusory existence; an ego

trap

that also halts evolution. I believe the sort of evolution we're talking

about ends in ego surrender, and the paradox is that both doing nothing and

doing something can keep that from occurring.

 

It seems to me that what needs to occur is an exploration of truth that

weakens ego and it's attachments. Ego walks itself to the gallows and this is a

rare thing indeed, engaged in only by those who have a deep love of Truth.

Ultimately, ego puts it's own head on the chopping block, because nobody else

can cause that to occur.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige

wrote:

>

> --- Stefan <s.petersilge a écrit :

>

>

>

> Hi Phil, you are giving me food for thought :-)

>

> As you speak about gurus and the teaching... what does

> " teaching "

> mean? Lets look at the traditional way of a

> guru/desciple

> relationship, as Nisargadatta has described it many

> times. The

> rational aspect is not all. There is love, devotion,

> surrender and

> trust. This is very strong tobacco for the mind, who

> thinks those are

> opposed to freedom from beliefs. Especially hard for

> the western mind!

>

> Anyway, the master knows the dilemma: when he

> emphasizes that the mind

> is not in control of " waking up " , then there is danger

> that the

> desciple becomes lazy and only decorates his

> suffering. When the

> master encourages the desciple to use conscious effort

> then there is

> danger that he postpones the goal ad infinitum and

> walking the path

> becomes an end in itself.

>

> The relationship between master and desciple can help.

> Notice how

> Nisargadatta talks about his own master and how it was

> his trust that

> made it happen. Being with someone of deep

> understanding does not

> create the realization. But it can create a vision

> beyond the

> incrossable line. It is like teaching music: a good

> teacher does not

> mainly teach by explaining how to play. He teaches by

> playing.

>

> In a deeper sense the master is already inside. But he

> needs love,

> devotion and trust to manifest. Those are emotions

> that weaken the

> strength of the ego which takes itself for the most

> important entity

> of the world. And this aproach can be undertaken by an

> adult person

> only, who does not anymore seek to be feeded... but

> seeks because he

> knows that there is nothing to lose but his head.

>

> Greetings

> Stefan

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

>

> >Sure, but it's just the seeming process of the

> evolution of human

> >consciousness (A concept). Humans usually mistake

> themselves for

> teachers as we explore

> >our own consciousness, but it doesn't really matter.

> >

> >The gurus teach us that nothing can be done to bring

> awareness, mostly

> > because there is nobody to do it. This is true, but

> this is yet

> another

> > concept,eh? I don't reject that concept, but I'm

> noticing some

> interesting things. Even

> > the gurus notice that a disciplined mind and one

> that has actively

> explored

> > the illusory nature of it's experience is strongly

> correlated with

> > enlightenment. IOW, it very much matters what the

> mind does as it

> evolves toward it's

> > own dissolution. There is indeed an evolutionary

> process and it's

> not really a

> > matter of waiting around for the grace of God to

> descend. Who's

> grace would

> > that really be?

> >

> > The teaching is intended to assure ego that it is

> not in control of

> the

> > process of enlightenment, but this is not to say

> that there is no

> process

> > occurring. One might ask why the teaching is done if

> there is not

> some sort of

> > process going on. When ego hears that there is

> nothing to be done,

> it stops

> > exploring, which has the advantage of weakening

> ego's intent to

> cause enlightenment

> > to occur and may facilitate a degree of surrender to

> God. However,

> human

> > consciousness is not done exploring and so believing

> that it must

> stop thinking,

> > stop asking questions, stop looking within for the

> truth, amounts to

> > spiritual stagnation and resistance. This is yet

> another part of the

> evolution over

> > which ego has no control, and so nothing can be done

> about this.

> >

> > Phil

> ....................................................................

.............

> Devotion, trust, surrender, patience..........

> All those are attributes from the heart aren`t they?

> If those don`t have a part in our daily walk, it will

> be sterile.

> .......dry........pretentious........and awfully

> boring.

> Patricia

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Y-E-S!!!

 

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