Trapped in a Bubble of Consciousness...

February 5, 2006

Lol, Werner!!!! I shall have to write home to " Mom Earth " about that

one.

I thought I was the Supreme Being. Fuck! I'm going to have to

contend with another rival.

" Silver "

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr

wrote:

>

> Only partly playing with Google, Siver,

>

> I was searching " Maharaj Supreme Self " and found Omikron23 on

> Wikipedia (in German).

>

> Werner

>

> Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

> 1069@> wrote:

> >

> > Werner, are you playing with your google again?

> >

> > Okay, I admit it: I was playing with mine, too. Square wave,

> > Omikron?

> >

> > " Silver "

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Omikron23

> > >

> > > As I could see on Wikipedia you called yourself a " spiritual

> > > Anarchist " . Do such people als have a Supreme Self ?

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " omikron23 " <omikron23@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " omikron23 "

<omikron23@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >>>I really need some help.

> > > > > >>W: guess who is gonna give it to you!

> > > > > >You won't apparently. You cannot give what you don't have.

> > > > >

> > > > > Look a bit deeper into what you just said and you may find

> the

> > > deeper

> > > > > meaning of it all:

> > > >

> > > > I look much deeler than you can possibly imagine.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > who knows no-thing

> > > >

> > > > Nobody knows nothing.

> > > >

> > > > No mind knows nothing.

> > > >

> > > > > how should he be able

> > > >

> > > > Nothing cannot give.

> > > >

> > > > > to give it to you...

> > > >

> > > > Nothing is not supposed to give it to something.

> > > >

> > > > > how should one be able

> > > >

> > > > Ability belongs to the something.

> > > >

> > > > > even if he wanted

> > > >

> > > > Will is of the mind.

> > > >

> > > > > to give what cannot be

> > > >

> > > > The Supreme is destined to give meaning.

> > > >

> > > > > possessed

> > > >

> > > > Illusions may be possessed

> > > >

> > > > for a while

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >>>I may also put this differently: Why am I only aware of

> what

> > I

> > > am

> > > > > >>>aware of, and not what you and everybody else is aware

of

> at

> > > the

> > > > > >>>same time?

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>W: Because you are the Supreme Self.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hey, thats the best answer one could give... much better

than

> my

> > > > > detailed reply on your question. If you think a bit more

> about

> > it

> > > you

> > > > > may find that you have answered that question already

> yourself,

> > > > > several times.

> > > >

> > > > No I have not.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >Imitating Nisargadatta doesn't fit you well.

> > > > >

> > > > > He surely doesn't, you dont know him yet. Did not you bring

> the

> > > > > " supreme self " onto the table here? ;-)))

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta did.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > have a nice sunday

> > > > > stefan

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nothing I ever have neither sunday nor the sun.

> > > >

> > > > Sometimes it may touch me

> > > >

> > > > for I give meaning to it.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 5, 2006

Nisargadatta , " omikron23 " <omikron23

wrote:

>

> Well I guess the sickness nowadays seems to be universal. Humanity

> seems to be caught up in some kind of collective madness. Actually

> there are three states of mind:

>

> 1: insane

> 2: normal

> 3: healthy

>

> As far is I am concerned I would call myself unsane. But then in a

> world having gone insane it may be a really bad sign being called

normal.

>

> I may look into your group. Thanks for your reply.

>

*********

You're quite welcome. Having had your first taste,

now you can begin the " courageous " work in earnest.

Like Nisargadatta said, to go beyond yourself, you have to know

yourself.

Judi

TheEndOfTheRopeRanch/

February 5, 2006

Nisargadatta , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " omikron23 " <omikron23@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Well I guess the sickness nowadays seems to be universal. Humanity

> > seems to be caught up in some kind of collective madness. Actually

> > there are three states of mind:

> >

> > 1: insane

> > 2: normal

> > 3: healthy

> >

> > As far is I am concerned I would call myself unsane. But then in a

> > world having gone insane it may be a really bad sign being called

> normal.

> >

> > I may look into your group. Thanks for your reply.

> >

>

> *********

> You're quite welcome. Having had your first taste,

> now you can begin the " courageous " work in earnest.

>

> Like Nisargadatta said, to go beyond yourself, you have to know

> yourself.

>

> Judi

> TheEndOfTheRopeRanch/

>

***************

" Separateness " is lack of integrity, and inquiry into one's own " lack

of integrity " brings about, or " accomplishes " one's own end,

a " dismantling " . So, understanding, " death " of the separate one,

comes down to a matter of integrity, brutal self honesty.

And if you'll notice also, these folks have no shame of themselves

when they're shown their lovelesness. And if they have no shame,

there is no way on god's green earth that they'll ever be able to

transcend it, they live in denial. No conscience. And without

conscience, the self-structure cannot be dismantled.

Without conscience, without shame of themselves, it keeps them

forever going in " angry " circles. If there is to be an end to it,

what is to be bring it down, other than through the shame of it

themselves?

Judi

February 5, 2006

" omikron23 " <omikron23

Re: Trapped in a Bubble of Consciousness...

I may also put this differently: Why am I only aware of what I am

> > aware of, and not what you and everybody else is aware of at the

> same

> > time?

Hey, I found out sumthin interesting yesterday; my brow chakra calibrates

well into the range of enlightenment on the Hawkins calibration of

consciousness scale. WooHooo!! My brow is enlightened! Hehe. Oh, but........the

rest of

me isn't. Oops! Hehe.

So what's the point? Only that, if we can all agree that none of us knows

our ass from a hole in the ground, we can sit around and have some fun with

concepts that have nothing at all to do with Absolute Truth. For example, we can

ponder just what it is that Awareness is " aware of " . Hmmmm, awareness is the

totality of all that is and there is nothing but awareness. Given that

hypothetical contextual conceptualization, awareness is not " aware of " anything;

it simply IS awareness itself.

To be 'aware of' something, one must seemingly not be that which one is

aware of. Since Awareness itself can't play that game, consciousness arises out

of awareness as the experiential aspect of God. Why do it do dat? God is

infinite potentiality, and consciousness is one of those potentialities, and

potentialities tend to actualize. IOW, it does it cause it can.

So, what is required in order to be qualified for the job of experiential

aspect of God? Well, first you have to give up your day job as supreme,

omnipotent, omniscient Allness and become a somethingness that can sit behind

the

counter and witness other bits and pieces of somethingness come in and out the

door. IOW, experiencing, by it's nature, is the experience of something that

denies the experience of everything. Experiencing is the birth of separation

and the creation of endless dualities, stuff being experienced through the

perceiving mind that identifies stuff by comparing stuff to other stuff and

figuring out what stuff it's like and what stuff it's just the opposite to,

stuff like that.

So the silly question might arise, why can't an experiencer experience

everything that everyone else experiences since all the experiencers are just

pimples growing on the same consciousness, and consciousness is what we all

really are, rather than individual experiencers? We could say that the total

summed experience of all experiencers is equivalent to the total experiential

aspect of God, or consciousness itself, but take a gander at what that consists

of. There are 6.5 billion human experiencers alone. Although the kind of

consciousness is different, animals, plants minerals and even subatomic

particles

are part of the experiential aspect of God. Multiply this by every celestial

object in every universe in every dimension throughout all time and cram that

into the single moment of Now and tell me what that experience looks like.

Damn, I have trouble slowing my own thoughts down! I'm not even gonna go

there, and God can't go there either, which is why you are here and why you

will

never know the experiential reality of anybody else's experience but your own.

God is not a concept, not a thought, not a perception, not an experience.

God IS, I AM, get over it. It's far too simple for any of us to comprehend,

which never stopped us from trying.

Phil

PS, on that 'enjoying flaming others' thang, I highly recommend taking a

really close look see at that one.

February 6, 2006

whenever one is trapped in a bubble of consciousness...

it's time to go out of trap...

the only time to step out of consciousness.....means, to step out of

being trapped.....is.....now

different ways to loose " consciousness about... " ......means, time and

space - consciousness.....(included boby-mind-intellect)....

1) fall in love to another (trapped) consciousness....

this would fill up the heart with some peace and timelessness....

for some duration of time

2)fall in love to " God " ....the only " real being " ......because is

formless, changless,infinite....and so, a secure place " to be "

3)getting in touch to Self....by the effect of 1) and 2)

4) " understanding " truth by the teachings of (inner) Self....

5)development of " awareness " .....means, to make the difference

between " trapp and non-trapp " ....between Self and Non-Self

6)just be yourSelf, always

only few bubbles of consciousness.....

so i don't believe that it's possible to get out of bubbles.....in

reading other bubbles....

wish a nice day

Marc

February 6, 2006

Marc,

Did you ever step out of 'trapped consciousness' ? No ? Then why do

you give advices you yourself can't fulfill ?

And, what kind of nonsense is that 'trapped consciousness' ? I would

say it is absolute unbelievable baloney, bla bla gobbledygook.

Werner

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> whenever one is trapped in a bubble of consciousness...

> it's time to go out of trap...

>

> the only time to step out of consciousness.....means, to step out

of

> being trapped.....is.....now

>

> different ways to loose " consciousness about... " ......means, time

and

> space - consciousness.....(included boby-mind-intellect)....

>

> 1) fall in love to another (trapped) consciousness....

> this would fill up the heart with some peace and timelessness....

> for some duration of time

> 2)fall in love to " God " ....the only " real being " ......because is

> formless, changless,infinite....and so, a secure place " to be "

> 3)getting in touch to Self....by the effect of 1) and 2)

> 4) " understanding " truth by the teachings of (inner) Self....

> 5)development of " awareness " .....means, to make the difference

> between " trapp and non-trapp " ....between Self and Non-Self

> 6)just be yourSelf, always

>

> only few bubbles of consciousness.....

> so i don't believe that it's possible to get out of bubbles.....in

> reading other bubbles....

>

> wish a nice day

>

> Marc

>

February 6, 2006

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr

wrote:

>

Hi Werner,

how are you?

you seem to know everything about the subject....about

me......and...and.....

i'm wondering if you also know everything about yourSelf.....

Werner, please tell me..... " who are you " ....?

thanks for a sincere answer

Marc

> Marc,

>

> Did you ever step out of 'trapped consciousness' ? No ? Then why do

> you give advices you yourself can't fulfill ?

>

> And, what kind of nonsense is that 'trapped consciousness' ? I

would

> say it is absolute unbelievable baloney, bla bla gobbledygook.

>

> Werner

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > whenever one is trapped in a bubble of consciousness...

> > it's time to go out of trap...

> >

> > the only time to step out of consciousness.....means, to step out

> of

> > being trapped.....is.....now

> >

> > different ways to loose " consciousness about... " ......means, time

> and

> > space - consciousness.....(included boby-mind-intellect)....

> >

> > 1) fall in love to another (trapped) consciousness....

> > this would fill up the heart with some peace and timelessness....

> > for some duration of time

> > 2)fall in love to " God " ....the only " real being " ......because is

> > formless, changless,infinite....and so, a secure place " to be "

> > 3)getting in touch to Self....by the effect of 1) and 2)

> > 4) " understanding " truth by the teachings of (inner) Self....

> > 5)development of " awareness " .....means, to make the difference

> > between " trapp and non-trapp " ....between Self and Non-Self

> > 6)just be yourSelf, always

> >

> > only few bubbles of consciousness.....

> > so i don't believe that it's possible to get out of

bubbles.....in

> > reading other bubbles....

> >

> > wish a nice day

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

February 6, 2006

Marc,

What kind of crap is this 'trapped consiousness' ?

1) There is consciousness

2) There is a trap

And wooooom - dumb consciousness fell into that trap, how come ?

Werner

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> >

>

> Hi Werner,

>

> how are you?

>

> you seem to know everything about the subject....about

> me......and...and.....

>

> i'm wondering if you also know everything about yourSelf.....

>

> Werner, please tell me..... " who are you " ....?

>

> thanks for a sincere answer

>

> Marc

>

> > Marc,

> >

> > Did you ever step out of 'trapped consciousness' ? No ? Then why

do

> > you give advices you yourself can't fulfill ?

> >

> > And, what kind of nonsense is that 'trapped consciousness' ? I

> would

> > say it is absolute unbelievable baloney, bla bla gobbledygook.

> >

> > Werner

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > whenever one is trapped in a bubble of consciousness...

> > > it's time to go out of trap...

> > >

> > > the only time to step out of consciousness.....means, to step

out

> > of

> > > being trapped.....is.....now

> > >

> > > different ways to loose " consciousness about... " ......means,

time

> > and

> > > space - consciousness.....(included boby-mind-intellect)....

> > >

> > > 1) fall in love to another (trapped) consciousness....

> > > this would fill up the heart with some peace and

timelessness....

> > > for some duration of time

> > > 2)fall in love to " God " ....the only " real being " ......because

is

> > > formless, changless,infinite....and so, a secure place " to be "

> > > 3)getting in touch to Self....by the effect of 1) and 2)

> > > 4) " understanding " truth by the teachings of (inner) Self....

> > > 5)development of " awareness " .....means, to make the difference

> > > between " trapp and non-trapp " ....between Self and Non-Self

> > > 6)just be yourSelf, always

> > >

> > > only few bubbles of consciousness.....

> > > so i don't believe that it's possible to get out of

> bubbles.....in

> > > reading other bubbles....

> > >

> > > wish a nice day

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> >

>

February 6, 2006

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr

wrote:

>

Werner,

what is your consciousness about?

Marc

> Marc,

>

> What kind of crap is this 'trapped consiousness' ?

>

> 1) There is consciousness

> 2) There is a trap

>

> And wooooom - dumb consciousness fell into that trap, how come ?

>

> Werner

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> >

> > Hi Werner,

> >

> > how are you?

> >

> > you seem to know everything about the subject....about

> > me......and...and.....

> >

> > i'm wondering if you also know everything about yourSelf.....

> >

> > Werner, please tell me..... " who are you " ....?

> >

> > thanks for a sincere answer

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > > Marc,

> > >

> > > Did you ever step out of 'trapped consciousness' ? No ? Then

why

> do

> > > you give advices you yourself can't fulfill ?

> > >

> > > And, what kind of nonsense is that 'trapped consciousness' ? I

> > would

> > > say it is absolute unbelievable baloney, bla bla gobbledygook.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > whenever one is trapped in a bubble of consciousness...

> > > > it's time to go out of trap...

> > > >

> > > > the only time to step out of consciousness.....means, to step

> out

> > > of

> > > > being trapped.....is.....now

> > > >

> > > > different ways to loose " consciousness about... " ......means,

> time

> > > and

> > > > space - consciousness.....(included boby-mind-intellect)....

> > > >

> > > > 1) fall in love to another (trapped) consciousness....

> > > > this would fill up the heart with some peace and

> timelessness....

> > > > for some duration of time

> > > > 2)fall in love to " God " ....the only " real being " ......because

> is

> > > > formless, changless,infinite....and so, a secure place " to be "

> > > > 3)getting in touch to Self....by the effect of 1) and 2)

> > > > 4) " understanding " truth by the teachings of (inner) Self....

> > > > 5)development of " awareness " .....means, to make the

difference

> > > > between " trapp and non-trapp " ....between Self and Non-Self

> > > > 6)just be yourSelf, always

> > > >

> > > > only few bubbles of consciousness.....

> > > > so i don't believe that it's possible to get out of

> > bubbles.....in

> > > > reading other bubbles....

> > > >

> > > > wish a nice day

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 6, 2006

Marc,

Consciousness is its content. No content, no consciousness.

Read the following and think about it:

There are cases of people whose complete visual functions are ok but

these people nevertheless are blind. They are blind because the

conncection between that part of the brain which is processing visual

data and the visual part of the frontal lobe is demaged.

The processed data cannot get conscious and so the result is

blindness.

The interesting thing now is that these people can walk in a room

without bumnping against furniture or at any objects there. If one

hits

with one's fist towards their face they quickly will bend their head

aside and when asked why they did that they don't know, they just

felt to act that way.

Which means, these people do see but they cannot communicate what they

see because that consciousness for vision is dead. But their body

reacts in a normal autonomous way as if seeing.

Then what for does one need consciousness ? The answer is simple,

consciousness is only needed for communcation.

Consciousness is a social function.

All those wonderful godly, holy and great spiritual ideas about

consciousness are just fancy romantic illusions.

We are social beings, the larger part of our brain just exists for

social reasons.

Consciousness is one's subjective personal view of the world and this

world human beings are exchanging and communicating amomg themselves.

Werner

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> >

>

> Werner,

>

> what is your consciousness about?

>

> Marc

>

> > Marc,

> >

> > What kind of crap is this 'trapped consiousness' ?

> >

> > 1) There is consciousness

> > 2) There is a trap

> >

> > And wooooom - dumb consciousness fell into that trap, how come ?

> >

> > Werner

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > >

> > > Hi Werner,

> > >

> > > how are you?

> > >

> > > you seem to know everything about the subject....about

> > > me......and...and.....

> > >

> > > i'm wondering if you also know everything about yourSelf.....

> > >

> > > Werner, please tell me..... " who are you " ....?

> > >

> > > thanks for a sincere answer

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > > > Marc,

> > > >

> > > > Did you ever step out of 'trapped consciousness' ? No ? Then

> why

> > do

> > > > you give advices you yourself can't fulfill ?

> > > >

> > > > And, what kind of nonsense is that 'trapped consciousness' ?

I

> > > would

> > > > say it is absolute unbelievable baloney, bla bla gobbledygook.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > whenever one is trapped in a bubble of consciousness...

> > > > > it's time to go out of trap...

> > > > >

> > > > > the only time to step out of consciousness.....means, to

step

> > out

> > > > of

> > > > > being trapped.....is.....now

> > > > >

> > > > > different ways to loose " consciousness

about... " ......means,

> > time

> > > > and

> > > > > space - consciousness.....(included boby-mind-intellect)....

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) fall in love to another (trapped) consciousness....

> > > > > this would fill up the heart with some peace and

> > timelessness....

> > > > > for some duration of time

> > > > > 2)fall in love to " God " ....the only " real

being " ......because

> > is

> > > > > formless, changless,infinite....and so, a secure place " to

be "

> > > > > 3)getting in touch to Self....by the effect of 1) and 2)

> > > > > 4) " understanding " truth by the teachings of (inner) Self....

> > > > > 5)development of " awareness " .....means, to make the

> difference

> > > > > between " trapp and non-trapp " ....between Self and Non-Self

> > > > > 6)just be yourSelf, always

> > > > >

> > > > > only few bubbles of consciousness.....

> > > > > so i don't believe that it's possible to get out of

> > > bubbles.....in

> > > > > reading other bubbles....

> > > > >

> > > > > wish a nice day

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 6, 2006

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr

wrote:

>

> Marc,

>

> Consciousness is its content. No content, no consciousness.

>

yes....thats it....

sure that one need consciousness to communicate.....

some people they live in emptyness....nothingness.....no-mind.....

they prefer Silence.....because it's not possible for them to

communicate with others.....because they are not conscious

about " others " ......for them....there are " no others " ......

I don't believe that this people are " trapped " ......because there is

No content.....means, no world-consciousness

and maybe, at this point.....we have different " views " .....

but i don't feel to describe your words as " crap " for this reason....

anyway....the consciousness of an individual person....is always in

conflict with " others " .......because in reality.....this others are

fiction only

we are One......Self.....

" Werner " .... " Marc " ......is nothing but illusion......

Marc

February 6, 2006

Marc,

What a crap all that is. We convers about consciousness and not if

you or me or Mr. Bush is an illusion - when looking at Iraq then G.W.

Bush definitely is no illusion.

Back to this:

The content of your consciousness is absolute subjective and there is

no second consciousness in this world containing the same content.

During communication your subjectivity (in respect to these contents)

and my subjectivity meet and we are exchanging and sharing our

private view of the world and it is most likely that we never will

have a consensus.

You cannot deny this.

So, all that incredible spiritual fancy gibbersih about consciousness

is just day-dreaming rubbish.

Werner

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Marc,

> >

> > Consciousness is its content. No content, no consciousness.

> >

>

> yes....thats it....

>

> sure that one need consciousness to communicate.....

>

> some people they live in emptyness....nothingness.....no-mind.....

> they prefer Silence.....because it's not possible for them to

> communicate with others.....because they are not conscious

> about " others " ......for them....there are " no others " ......

>

> I don't believe that this people are " trapped " ......because there

is

> No content.....means, no world-consciousness

>

> and maybe, at this point.....we have different " views " .....

>

> but i don't feel to describe your words as " crap " for this

reason....

>

> anyway....the consciousness of an individual person....is always in

> conflict with " others " .......because in reality.....this others are

> fiction only

>

> we are One......Self.....

>

> " Werner " .... " Marc " ......is nothing but illusion......

>

> Marc

>

February 6, 2006

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr

wrote:

>

Werner,

" What a crap all that is. We convers about consciousness and not if

> you or me or Mr. Bush is an illusion - when looking at Iraq then

G.W.

> Bush definitely is no illusion. "

- if your world consciousness is switch On....yes, this our forms

appear to be real.....like the form of Bush does

and yes....now that we talk " illusion " .....this your mentionned

person is maybe one of the most famous....trapped person existing.....

inside this our consciousness....

" Back to this:

> The content of your consciousness is absolute subjective and there

is

> no second consciousness in this world containing the same content.

-yes....but due to the Fact that we communicate.....there must exist

a consciousness of Oneness.....which let all this " different and

individual " consciousness relate....and so, is responsible to

solve " conflicts " .....which only arise....because of " individual

consiousness "

>

" During communication your subjectivity (in respect to these

contents)

> and my subjectivity meet and we are exchanging and sharing our

> private view of the world and it is most likely that we never will

> have a consensus.

>

> You cannot deny this.

-i don't agree....

due to this One consciousness....which relate all with all.....in

this world bubble.......

there is no other chance to become.....one day.....aware of this

Oneness-consciousness.......and so, by chance.....dissolve this

illusion of individual consciousness....

which create full time conflicts......with mind-fictions

" So, all that incredible spiritual fancy gibbersih about

consciousness

> is just day-dreaming rubbish. "

no...it's the only way out of this your ego-minded fiction

called " Werner " ....or " Marc "

Marc

>

> Werner

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Marc,

> > >

> > > Consciousness is its content. No content, no consciousness.

> > >

> >

> > yes....thats it....

> >

> > sure that one need consciousness to communicate.....

> >

> > some people they live in emptyness....nothingness.....no-mind.....

> > they prefer Silence.....because it's not possible for them to

> > communicate with others.....because they are not conscious

> > about " others " ......for them....there are " no others " ......

> >

> > I don't believe that this people are " trapped " ......because there

> is

> > No content.....means, no world-consciousness

> >

> > and maybe, at this point.....we have different " views " .....

> >

> > but i don't feel to describe your words as " crap " for this

> reason....

> >

> > anyway....the consciousness of an individual person....is always

in

> > conflict with " others " .......because in reality.....this others

are

> > fiction only

> >

> > we are One......Self.....

> >

> > " Werner " .... " Marc " ......is nothing but illusion......

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

February 6, 2006

Sorry Marc,

I will end here.

I never discuss the same topic more than two or three times.

Werner

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> >

> Werner,

>

> " What a crap all that is. We convers about consciousness and not

if

> > you or me or Mr. Bush is an illusion - when looking at Iraq then

> G.W.

> > Bush definitely is no illusion. "

>

> - if your world consciousness is switch On....yes, this our forms

> appear to be real.....like the form of Bush does

> and yes....now that we talk " illusion " .....this your mentionned

> person is maybe one of the most famous....trapped person

existing.....

> inside this our consciousness....

>

> " Back to this:

> > The content of your consciousness is absolute subjective and

there

> is

> > no second consciousness in this world containing the same content.

>

> -yes....but due to the Fact that we communicate.....there must

exist

> a consciousness of Oneness.....which let all this " different and

> individual " consciousness relate....and so, is responsible to

> solve " conflicts " .....which only arise....because of " individual

> consiousness "

> >

>

> " During communication your subjectivity (in respect to these

> contents)

> > and my subjectivity meet and we are exchanging and sharing our

> > private view of the world and it is most likely that we never

will

> > have a consensus.

> >

> > You cannot deny this.

>

> -i don't agree....

> due to this One consciousness....which relate all with all.....in

> this world bubble.......

> there is no other chance to become.....one day.....aware of this

> Oneness-consciousness.......and so, by chance.....dissolve this

> illusion of individual consciousness....

> which create full time conflicts......with mind-fictions

>

> " So, all that incredible spiritual fancy gibbersih about

> consciousness

> > is just day-dreaming rubbish. "

>

> no...it's the only way out of this your ego-minded fiction

> called " Werner " ....or " Marc "

>

> Marc

> >

> > Werner

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Marc,

> > > >

> > > > Consciousness is its content. No content, no consciousness.

> > > >

> > >

> > > yes....thats it....

> > >

> > > sure that one need consciousness to communicate.....

> > >

> > > some people they live in emptyness....nothingness.....no-

mind.....

> > > they prefer Silence.....because it's not possible for them to

> > > communicate with others.....because they are not conscious

> > > about " others " ......for them....there are " no others " ......

> > >

> > > I don't believe that this people are " trapped " ......because

there

> > is

> > > No content.....means, no world-consciousness

> > >

> > > and maybe, at this point.....we have different " views " .....

> > >

> > > but i don't feel to describe your words as " crap " for this

> > reason....

> > >

> > > anyway....the consciousness of an individual person....is

always

> in

> > > conflict with " others " .......because in reality.....this others

> are

> > > fiction only

> > >

> > > we are One......Self.....

> > >

> > > " Werner " .... " Marc " ......is nothing but illusion......

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> >

>

February 6, 2006

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr

wrote:

>

Sorry for you Werner....

but i hope that your conflicts....one day.....will have an end...

Marc

> Sorry Marc,

>

> I will end here.

>

> I never discuss the same topic more than two or three times.

>

> Werner

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > Werner,

> >

> > " What a crap all that is. We convers about consciousness and not

> if

> > > you or me or Mr. Bush is an illusion - when looking at Iraq

then

> > G.W.

> > > Bush definitely is no illusion. "

> >

> > - if your world consciousness is switch On....yes, this our forms

> > appear to be real.....like the form of Bush does

> > and yes....now that we talk " illusion " .....this your mentionned

> > person is maybe one of the most famous....trapped person

> existing.....

> > inside this our consciousness....

> >

> > " Back to this:

> > > The content of your consciousness is absolute subjective and

> there

> > is

> > > no second consciousness in this world containing the same

content.

> >

> > -yes....but due to the Fact that we communicate.....there must

> exist

> > a consciousness of Oneness.....which let all this " different and

> > individual " consciousness relate....and so, is responsible to

> > solve " conflicts " .....which only arise....because of " individual

> > consiousness "

> > >

> >

> > " During communication your subjectivity (in respect to these

> > contents)

> > > and my subjectivity meet and we are exchanging and sharing our

> > > private view of the world and it is most likely that we never

> will

> > > have a consensus.

> > >

> > > You cannot deny this.

> >

> > -i don't agree....

> > due to this One consciousness....which relate all with all.....in

> > this world bubble.......

> > there is no other chance to become.....one day.....aware of this

> > Oneness-consciousness.......and so, by chance.....dissolve this

> > illusion of individual consciousness....

> > which create full time conflicts......with mind-fictions

> >

> > " So, all that incredible spiritual fancy gibbersih about

> > consciousness

> > > is just day-dreaming rubbish. "

> >

> > no...it's the only way out of this your ego-minded fiction

> > called " Werner " ....or " Marc "

> >

> > Marc

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc,

> > > > >

> > > > > Consciousness is its content. No content, no consciousness.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > yes....thats it....

> > > >

> > > > sure that one need consciousness to communicate.....

> > > >

> > > > some people they live in emptyness....nothingness.....no-

> mind.....

> > > > they prefer Silence.....because it's not possible for them to

> > > > communicate with others.....because they are not conscious

> > > > about " others " ......for them....there are " no others " ......

> > > >

> > > > I don't believe that this people are " trapped " ......because

> there

> > > is

> > > > No content.....means, no world-consciousness

> > > >

> > > > and maybe, at this point.....we have different " views " .....

> > > >

> > > > but i don't feel to describe your words as " crap " for this

> > > reason....

> > > >

> > > > anyway....the consciousness of an individual person....is

> always

> > in

> > > > conflict with " others " .......because in reality.....this

others

> > are

> > > > fiction only

> > > >

> > > > we are One......Self.....

> > > >

> > > > " Werner " .... " Marc " ......is nothing but illusion......

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 6, 2006

> >

> > W: if you are the Supreme Self as you say you are fucked up!

> > All your situation is based on this concept, whatever it is.

> > but if you are it, what can i do?

>

> Of course I'm not the Supreme Self. My mind is talking to you and my

> mind surely is not the Supreme Self. But I'm not the mind. I watch the

> mind talk and I watch the mind utter the words 'I AM the Supreme

> Self'. I'm not the talking mind and you're not the listening mind.

W: this is weak omikron. the witness is just another concept.

but if you like it...go on with it.

February 6, 2006

> but i hope that your conflicts....one day.....will have an end...

>

> Marc

>

oh, that's a certainty. they end together with hopes.

February 6, 2006

Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote:

>

> > but i hope that your conflicts....one day.....will have an end...

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

> oh, that's a certainty. they end together with hopes.

are you trapped in something....?.....

Marc

February 6, 2006

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote:

> >

> > > but i hope that your conflicts....one day.....will have an

end...

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> >

> > oh, that's a certainty. they end together with hopes.

>

> are you trapped in something....?.....

>

> Marc

>

no

February 6, 2006

-

dennis_travis33

Nisargadatta

Monday, February 06, 2006 6:41 AM

Re: Trapped in a Bubble of Consciousness...

Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote:

>

> > but i hope that your conflicts....one day.....will have an end...

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

> oh, that's a certainty. they end together with hopes.

are you trapped in something....?.....

Marc

....a bubble of Consciousness perhaps? LOL

Good morning gentlemen,

Infinite Love,

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Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u wrote:

>

> -

> dennis_travis33

> Nisargadatta

> Monday, February 06, 2006 6:41 AM

> Re: Trapped in a Bubble of

Consciousness...

>

> Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote:

> >

> > > but i hope that your conflicts....one day.....will have an

end...

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> >

> > oh, that's a certainty. they end together with hopes.

>

> are you trapped in something....?.....

>

> Marc

>

> ....a bubble of Consciousness perhaps? LOL

>

> Good morning gentlemen,

>

> Infinite Love,

> Ana

hello the Infinite Love,

bubbles flowing this morning.....yes

ping-pong.....ping-pong.....

LOL

ok....let's use the entrence (exit)door.......and loose

consciousness....

again....

Marc

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > dennis_travis33

> > Nisargadatta

> > Monday, February 06, 2006 6:41 AM

> > Re: Trapped in a Bubble of

> Consciousness...

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > > but i hope that your conflicts....one day.....will have an

> end...

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > >

> > > oh, that's a certainty. they end together with hopes.

> >

> > are you trapped in something....?.....

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > ....a bubble of Consciousness perhaps? LOL

> >

> > Good morning gentlemen,

> >

> > Infinite Love,

> > Ana

>

> hello the Infinite Love,

>

> bubbles flowing this morning.....yes

> ping-pong.....ping-pong.....

>

> LOL

>

> ok....let's use the entrence (exit)door.......and loose

> consciousness....

>

> again....

>

> Marc

marc loves to play hide and seek

> >

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Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -

> > > dennis_travis33

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Monday, February 06, 2006 6:41 AM

> > > Re: Trapped in a Bubble of

> > Consciousness...

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > but i hope that your conflicts....one day.....will have

an

> > end...

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > oh, that's a certainty. they end together with hopes.

> > >

> > > are you trapped in something....?.....

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > > ....a bubble of Consciousness perhaps? LOL

> > >

> > > Good morning gentlemen,

> > >

> > > Infinite Love,

> > > Ana

> >

> > hello the Infinite Love,

> >

> > bubbles flowing this morning.....yes

> > ping-pong.....ping-pong.....

> >

> > LOL

> >

> > ok....let's use the entrence (exit)door.......and loose

> > consciousness....

> >

> > again....

> >

> > Marc

>

> marc loves to play hide and seek

you could tell about the result of your seek.....instead to be full

time trapped in some consciousness......playing word games.....

writing non-sense.....

Marc

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Monday, February 06, 2006 6:41 AM

> > > > Re: Trapped in a Bubble of

> > > Consciousness...

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > but i hope that your conflicts....one day.....will have

> an

> > > end...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > oh, that's a certainty. they end together with hopes.

> > > >

> > > > are you trapped in something....?.....

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > ....a bubble of Consciousness perhaps? LOL

> > > >

> > > > Good morning gentlemen,

> > > >

> > > > Infinite Love,

> > > > Ana

> > >

> > > hello the Infinite Love,

> > >

> > > bubbles flowing this morning.....yes

> > > ping-pong.....ping-pong.....

> > >

> > > LOL

> > >

> > > ok....let's use the entrence (exit)door.......and loose

> > > consciousness....

> > >

> > > again....

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> > marc loves to play hide and seek

>

> you could tell about the result of your seek.....instead to be full

> time trapped in some consciousness......playing word games.....

> writing non-sense.....

>

> Marc

>

that is the result Marc!

>

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Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > dennis_travis33

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Monday, February 06, 2006 6:41 AM

> > > > > Re: Trapped in a Bubble of

> > > > Consciousness...

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba "

<bigwaaba@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > but i hope that your conflicts....one day.....will

have

> > an

> > > > end...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > oh, that's a certainty. they end together with hopes.

> > > > >

> > > > > are you trapped in something....?.....

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > > ....a bubble of Consciousness perhaps? LOL

> > > > >

> > > > > Good morning gentlemen,

> > > > >

> > > > > Infinite Love,

> > > > > Ana

> > > >

> > > > hello the Infinite Love,

> > > >

> > > > bubbles flowing this morning.....yes

> > > > ping-pong.....ping-pong.....

> > > >

> > > > LOL

> > > >

> > > > ok....let's use the entrence (exit)door.......and loose

> > > > consciousness....

> > > >

> > > > again....

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > >

> > > marc loves to play hide and seek

> >

> > you could tell about the result of your seek.....instead to be

full

> > time trapped in some consciousness......playing word games.....

> > writing non-sense.....

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

> that is the result Marc!

the result is non-sense?....

Marc

>

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