Changing the future

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It's easy to change the future. Just think in differently. ))))

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In a message dated 3/16/05 6:27:55 PM, cptc writes:

 

 

> Oh....ok........let's change the present....yeah...change the present into

> something more

> beneficial.

>

> It's soooooo simple.......We're gonna change the present into something that

> it already

> isn't......

>

>

> I'm changin it......I can feel it changing......yup...I think i did

> it........

>

>

> toombaru

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

P: Now that's funny. I'm laughing inside my present box.

 

 

 

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Seems you smoke to much dope, Anders.

 

 

Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

>

> It's easy to change the future. Just think in differently. ))))

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

wrote:

>

> Seems you smoke to much dope, Anders.

>

 

Big W, leave AL alone!

Can't you see, he's

just adorable and sweet

and harmless. ;-)

 

~freyja

 

 

>

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > It's easy to change the future. Just think in differently. ))))

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote:

>

> Seems you smoke to much dope, Anders.

 

Haha. That would be cheating, and probably would not make a lasting

ability to alter one's thoughts.

 

/AL

 

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > It's easy to change the future. Just think in differently. ))))

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Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Seems you smoke to much dope, Anders.

> >

>

> Big W, leave AL alone!

> Can't you see, he's

> just adorable and sweet

> and harmless. ;-)

>

> ~freyja

 

 

He is harmless.......... only if you see the lunacy of his proposition.

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 "

<freyjartist@a...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Seems you smoke to much dope, Anders.

> > >

> >

> > Big W, leave AL alone!

> > Can't you see, he's

> > just adorable and sweet

> > and harmless. ;-)

> >

> > ~freyja

>

>

> He is harmless.......... only if you see the lunacy of his

proposition.

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

Why pick on HIS proposition?

 

From here, I both agree and don't agree

with everything I read here.

 

~freyja

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Yes freyja,

 

I know this since longer and in addition he has much humour. We all

have friendly feelings for him. He is a good boy. For me he is like a

little bird still enclosed in its eggshell and everytime he is

posting then for me it is kind of promise that it could be the

beginning of the fledling's breakthrough. And so I sometime do knock

a little bit against the eggshell. It is so cute ...

 

But perhaps you are right and I should be patient and stop that

knocking and wait til the birdy find its way out without any backing.

 

Werner

 

 

Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 "

<freyjartist@a...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Seems you smoke to much dope, Anders.

> >

>

> Big W, leave AL alone!

> Can't you see, he's

> just adorable and sweet

> and harmless. ;-)

>

> ~freyja

>

>

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > >

> > > It's easy to change the future. Just think in

differently. ))))

[Guest guest]

What if it is already out, Werner?

 

Flying in the blue sky and coming down to knock on... your... and

my... and all our cute little eggshells?

 

All the best, and dont get angry, pleeease :-)))

 

Stefan

 

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

wrote:

>

> Yes freyja,

>

> I know this since longer and in addition he has much humour. We all

> have friendly feelings for him. He is a good boy. For me he is like

a

> little bird still enclosed in its eggshell and everytime he is

> posting then for me it is kind of promise that it could be the

> beginning of the fledling's breakthrough. And so I sometime do

knock

> a little bit against the eggshell. It is so cute ...

>

> But perhaps you are right and I should be patient and stop that

> knocking and wait til the birdy find its way out without any

backing.

>

> Werner

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 "

> <freyjartist@a...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Seems you smoke to much dope, Anders.

> > >

> >

> > Big W, leave AL alone!

> > Can't you see, he's

> > just adorable and sweet

> > and harmless. ;-)

> >

> > ~freyja

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > It's easy to change the future. Just think in

> differently. ))))

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

>

> It's easy to change the future. Just think in differently. ))))

 

If we could change our thoughts we would be able to change the future.

 

If we could change the future we would be able to change our thoughts.

 

If we cannot change our thoughts the future must be predetermined.

 

If the future is predetermined our thoughts are predetermined.

 

If our thoughts are predetermined we cannot change the future.

 

If we cannot change the future we are not able to change our thoughts.

 

If we could change our thoughts we would be able to change the future.

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

 

>He is harmless.......... only if you see the lunacy of his

proposition.

 

so, if you could not see it, what would be the harm.

 

S.

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > It's easy to change the future. Just think in differently. ))))

>

> If we could change our thoughts we would be able to change the future.

>

> If we could change the future we would be able to change our thoughts.

>

> If we cannot change our thoughts the future must be predetermined.

>

> If the future is predetermined our thoughts are predetermined.

>

> If our thoughts are predetermined we cannot change the future.

>

> If we cannot change the future we are not able to change our thoughts.

>

> If we could change our thoughts we would be able to change the future.

 

 

 

 

 

It there were a we.....we might be able to do all of that.................and

more!

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

> >He is harmless.......... only if you see the lunacy of his

> proposition.

>

> so, if you could not see it, what would be the harm.

>

> S.

 

 

Fuel for the suffering.

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > >

> > > It's easy to change the future. Just think in differently.

))))

> >

> > If we could change our thoughts we would be able to change the

future.

> >

> > If we could change the future we would be able to change our

thoughts.

> >

> > If we cannot change our thoughts the future must be predetermined.

> >

> > If the future is predetermined our thoughts are predetermined.

> >

> > If our thoughts are predetermined we cannot change the future.

> >

> > If we cannot change the future we are not able to change our

thoughts.

> >

> > If we could change our thoughts we would be able to change the

future.

>

>

>

>

>

> It there were a we.....we might be able to do all of

that.................and more!

 

I wonder what you mean, we would be able to do what?

 

S.

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Me:

>so, if you could not see it, what would be the harm.

 

You:

>Fuel for the suffering.

 

Me:

 

In Toombarus language I would say:

 

only if there would be suffering it could be fueld...

 

S.

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > It's easy to change the future. Just think in differently.

> ))))

> > >

> > > If we could change our thoughts we would be able to change the

> future.

> > >

> > > If we could change the future we would be able to change our

> thoughts.

> > >

> > > If we cannot change our thoughts the future must be predetermined.

> > >

> > > If the future is predetermined our thoughts are predetermined.

> > >

> > > If our thoughts are predetermined we cannot change the future.

> > >

> > > If we cannot change the future we are not able to change our

> thoughts.

> > >

> > > If we could change our thoughts we would be able to change the

> future.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > It there were a we.....we might be able to do all of

> that.................and more!

>

> I wonder what you mean, we would be able to do what?

>

> S.

 

 

 

 

You start off with this " we " thing as a given,....and then speculate about the

powers that it

has to influence its assumed personal reality...

 

 

You talk of it as if it were real.

 

You speak of something called " thoughts' as they were tangible objects,

 

You talk of the " future " as it it were a reality.....somehow opposed to the

" now " .

 

You combine these concepts...... and more.....into a speculation that

meaningless.

 

 

Ultimately there is no harm in doing so.. this supposed " you " has no

choice.......and...

 

 

 

...........It will continue this dream state ....floundering...........until it

doesn't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote:

>

> Me:

> >so, if you could not see it, what would be the harm.

>

> You:

> >Fuel for the suffering.

>

> Me:

>

> In Toombarus language I would say:

>

> only if there would be suffering it could be fueld...

>

> S.

 

 

Identification is suffering.

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

>You start off with this " we " thing as a given,....and then speculate

>about the powers that it has to influence its assumed personal

>reality...

 

No no, I would advice you to reread my posting. I said " If we " and the

" If we " ended up in a loop.

 

>You talk of it as if it were real.

 

Me? No way. Explicitly not.

 

>You speak of something called " thoughts' as they were tangible

>objects,

>You talk of the " future " as it it were a reality.....somehow opposed

to the " now " .

>You combine these concepts...... and more.....into a speculation that

meaningless.

 

Here you finally got the point. I have showed how meaningless such

speculation is. I have showed it because this was also the message I

have got from Anders beautiful posting.

 

The funny thing is your reactions: some still inevitably become

entangled in predictable speculations when speculation itself is

questioned with a twinkling of both eyes.

 

>Ultimately there is no harm in doing so.. this supposed " you " has no

choice.......and...

 

> ..........It will continue this dream state

.....floundering...........until it doesn't.

 

 

See, YOU are the one who brought the " harm " thing in here and I wonder

WHY you are so much concerned about WHAT all the time. What happened

to " all is laughing " ? Already forgotten? Thats why I have asked. Some

eggshells are hard like stones tonight. So hard that even all those

smileys cannot get through. And so easily loughter can change into

tears. How good that every moment is new.

 

Om shanti, om shanti, om shanti

the sky is open, the stars and the silver moon are floating through my

heart... no " if " no " we " anymore, I will stop it right now, promised.

Stefan

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

wrote:

> >

> > Me:

> > >so, if you could not see it, what would be the harm.

> >

> > You:

> > >Fuel for the suffering.

> >

> > Me:

> >

> > In Toombarus language I would say:

> >

> > only if there would be suffering it could be fueld...

> >

> > S.

>

>

> Identification is suffering.

 

 

Do you still believe in some entity that could commit an act like

" identification " ?

 

Then think about it. There is no suffering and there is no

harmfulness.

 

Greetings

Stefan

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Stefan <s.petersilge wrote:

 

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

wrote:

> >

> > Me:

> > >so, if you could not see it, what would be the harm.

> >

> > You:

> > >Fuel for the suffering.

> >

> > Me:

> >

> > In Toombarus language I would say:

> >

> > only if there would be suffering it could be fueld...

> >

> > S.

>

>

> Identification is suffering.

 

 

Do you still believe in some entity that could commit an act like

" identification " ?

 

Then think about it. There is no suffering and there is no

harmfulness.

 

Greetings

Stefan

 

 

 

 

Who is it you are asking to think about it?

 

r.

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 "

<freyjartist@a...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Yes freyja,

> >

> > I know this since longer and in addition he has much humour. We

all

> > have friendly feelings for him. He is a good boy. For me he is

like

> a

> > little bird still enclosed in its eggshell and everytime he is

> > posting then for me it is kind of promise that it could be the

> > beginning of the fledling's breakthrough. And so I sometime do

> knock

> > a little bit against the eggshell. It is so cute ...

> >

> > But perhaps you are right and I should be patient and stop that

> > knocking and wait til the birdy find its way out without any

> backing.

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

> No, I think there is nothing wrong with your

> knocking, Werner, I was not telling you what

> to do,

> and a great mind you have, it is no intention

> of mine to put a clamp on your expression to

> anyone..

> I was just having a protective mother moment,

> because AL seems to get picked on a lot.

> I do not think he minds much though, in fact,

> most likely welcomes it. All of it serves,

> I would say.

>

> ~freyja

>

>

 

 

G.R.R.: I heard that birds need to peck there way through the shell

for that is how they develop their body strength. If you break it

for them they may die from underdeveloped muscles. Nature teaches if

we pay attention. It's also another bird trait of the strongest

surviving and therefore the weakest of the group get pecked on by

other birds and animals. It either makes them strong or kills

them. It's the natural selection survival of the fittest animal

instinct and humans are animals, albeit the top of the food chain.

 

Al mirrors the game we all play but mirrors it on a different level

which makes it difficult for one to identify. If there was nothing

to identify then there would be no game, no planet earth on which to

play --> end game. Once understanding this identifying takes on a

different angle. Learning takes on a different angle.

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

>

> It's easy to change the future. Just think it differently. ))))

 

G.R.R.: I totally agree with you Al. I guess I'm smokin what

you're smokin. (smile)

To acknowledge this is toooo simple. People want something far

more complicated, like say, the future doesn't exist or nothing is

real, etc. etc. etc. Intense distractions that ultimately move them

away from simplicity. Choice, change and experience so

Source/Origin can have experience wherewith to " know " Itself or it's

capabilities is far too Non-complex for people to accept. But, Al,

you have reached what all the Masters finally understand. And then

they toss all the endless debate and discussion and questions about

reality vs non-reality out the window and go on to the task of

experiencing. If anyone actually understands that they can think

and choose differently then they release the ego/victim helpless

role and become <gasp> the master, and for all of people's talk, in

the end most don't really want it. It's toooooooo simple. They'd

rather have complicated mind stuff. Change, think, choose --> that's

how this planet earth was brought into experience. And y'all think

the laws that hold it and choose the laws that hold it into motion

otherwise it would vanish. Reality then doesn't become the pounding

question,,,but rather,,,experience in master state. And isn't that

why most of the people are " seeking " ? To become the guru, self-

realization, and enlightened? They want to master their

experience. The situation is that you've put out so much

intellectual mind stuff that when you do hit on a simple truth

behind human experience people pass it over already expecting more

of the same. You've thrown out dirt, dirt, dirt and then a diamond,

so people pass over the diamond responding in habit.

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Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider "

<laughterx8@h...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > It's easy to change the future. Just think it differently. ))))

>

> G.R.R.: I totally agree with you Al. I guess I'm smokin what

> you're smokin. (smile)

> To acknowledge this is toooo simple. People want something far

> more complicated, like say, the future doesn't exist or nothing is

> real, etc. etc. etc. Intense distractions that ultimately move

them

> away from simplicity. Choice, change and experience so

> Source/Origin can have experience wherewith to " know " Itself or

it's

> capabilities is far too Non-complex for people to accept. But,

Al,

> you have reached what all the Masters finally understand. And

then

> they toss all the endless debate and discussion and questions

about

> reality vs non-reality out the window and go on to the task of

> experiencing. If anyone actually understands that they can think

> and choose differently then they release the ego/victim helpless

> role and become <gasp> the master, and for all of people's talk,

in

> the end most don't really want it. It's toooooooo simple. They'd

> rather have complicated mind stuff. Change, think, choose -->

that's

> how this planet earth was brought into experience. And y'all

think

> the laws that hold it and choose the laws that hold it into motion

> otherwise it would vanish. Reality then doesn't become the

pounding

> question,,,but rather,,,experience in master state. And isn't

that

> why most of the people are " seeking " ? To become the guru, self-

> realization, and enlightened? They want to master their

> experience. The situation is that you've put out so much

> intellectual mind stuff that when you do hit on a simple truth

> behind human experience people pass it over already expecting more

> of the same. You've thrown out dirt, dirt, dirt and then a

diamond,

> so people pass over the diamond responding in habit.

 

GRR: well, actually you're not really changing the future, you're

changing the present.

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Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider "

<laughterx8@h...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider "

> <laughterx8@h...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > >

> > > It's easy to change the future. Just think it

differently. ))))

> >

> > G.R.R.: I totally agree with you Al. I guess I'm smokin what

> > you're smokin. (smile)

> > To acknowledge this is toooo simple. People want something far

> > more complicated, like say, the future doesn't exist or nothing

is

> > real, etc. etc. etc. Intense distractions that ultimately move

> them

> > away from simplicity. Choice, change and experience so

> > Source/Origin can have experience wherewith to " know " Itself or

> it's

> > capabilities is far too Non-complex for people to accept. But,

> Al,

> > you have reached what all the Masters finally understand. And

> then

> > they toss all the endless debate and discussion and questions

> about

> > reality vs non-reality out the window and go on to the task of

> > experiencing. If anyone actually understands that they can

think

> > and choose differently then they release the ego/victim helpless

> > role and become <gasp> the master, and for all of people's talk,

> in

> > the end most don't really want it. It's toooooooo simple.

They'd

> > rather have complicated mind stuff. Change, think, choose -->

> that's

> > how this planet earth was brought into experience. And y'all

> think

> > the laws that hold it and choose the laws that hold it into

motion

> > otherwise it would vanish. Reality then doesn't become the

> pounding

> > question,,,but rather,,,experience in master state. And isn't

> that

> > why most of the people are " seeking " ? To become the guru, self-

> > realization, and enlightened? They want to master their

> > experience. The situation is that you've put out so much

> > intellectual mind stuff that when you do hit on a simple truth

> > behind human experience people pass it over already expecting

more

> > of the same. You've thrown out dirt, dirt, dirt and then a

> diamond,

> > so people pass over the diamond responding in habit.

>

> GRR: well, actually you're not really changing the future, you're

> changing the present.

 

GRR: And it can be done. It's done all the time. You're a living

testament of the experience irregardless of weather it's an illusion

or a non-illusion. Experience doesn't ask if it's illusion or non-

illusion. It just experiences, which is why you're here

experiencing this dual/non-dual/duel experience. More often this

change/choice/experience is done subconsciously rather than

consciously, but then that's another topic that has been discussed -

conscious vs unconscious. And for those who get hung up on the

endless debate of weather or not the experience is " real " are so

focused on that they forget that they are having a very interesting

experience in the present.

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Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > It's easy to change the future. Just think it differently. ))))

>

> G.R.R.: I totally agree with you Al. I guess I'm smokin what

> you're smokin. (smile)

> To acknowledge this is toooo simple. People want something far

> more complicated, like say, the future doesn't exist or nothing is

> real, etc. etc. etc. Intense distractions that ultimately move them

> away from simplicity. Choice, change and experience so

> Source/Origin can have experience wherewith to " know " Itself or it's

> capabilities is far too Non-complex for people to accept. But, Al,

> you have reached what all the Masters finally understand. And then

> they toss all the endless debate and discussion and questions about

> reality vs non-reality out the window and go on to the task of

> experiencing. If anyone actually understands that they can think

> and choose differently then they release the ego/victim helpless

> role and become <gasp> the master, and for all of people's talk, in

> the end most don't really want it. It's toooooooo simple. They'd

> rather have complicated mind stuff. Change, think, choose --> that's

> how this planet earth was brought into experience. And y'all think

> the laws that hold it and choose the laws that hold it into motion

> otherwise it would vanish. Reality then doesn't become the pounding

> question,,,but rather,,,experience in master state. And isn't that

> why most of the people are " seeking " ? To become the guru, self-

> realization, and enlightened? They want to master their

> experience. The situation is that you've put out so much

> intellectual mind stuff that when you do hit on a simple truth

> behind human experience people pass it over already expecting more

> of the same. You've thrown out dirt, dirt, dirt and then a diamond,

> so people pass over the diamond responding in habit.

 

 

 

 

Well..If it's sooooo simple....Why don't you just do it?

 

 

Just change your future....change it for the better...Yeah....that's a good

idea.

 

 

 

toombaru