Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > Until u pay Tax > > Paying tax is a _feeling_, but that is also only an idea, one could > say. Everything that has to do with the future are only ideas. To > really see for oneself that the future is only an idea is the > beginning of the waking up from the dream of thought. > > /AL Anders - When did you wake up from the dream and what was that like for you? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE > > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > Until u pay Tax > > > > Paying tax is a _feeling_, but that is also only an idea, one could > > say. Everything that has to do with the future are only ideas. To > > really see for oneself that the future is only an idea is the > > beginning of the waking up from the dream of thought. > > > > /AL > > Anders - > > When did you wake up from the dream and what was that like > for you? > > -- Dan I have not woken up yet, I am only stirring in my slumber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE > > > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > > Until u pay Tax > > > > > > Paying tax is a _feeling_, but that is also only an idea, one could > > > say. Everything that has to do with the future are only ideas. To > > > really see for oneself that the future is only an idea is the > > > beginning of the waking up from the dream of thought. > > > > > > /AL > > > > Anders - > > > > When did you wake up from the dream and what was that like > > for you? > > > > -- Dan > > I have not woken up yet, I am only stirring in my slumber. So one is speculating, and then getting fascinated by the products of one's speculation into further speculations. On and on and on. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE > > > > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > > > Until u pay Tax > > > > > > > > Paying tax is a _feeling_, but that is also only an idea, one > could > > > > say. Everything that has to do with the future are only ideas. > To > > > > really see for oneself that the future is only an idea is the > > > > beginning of the waking up from the dream of thought. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > Anders - > > > > > > When did you wake up from the dream and what was that like > > > for you? > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > I have not woken up yet, I am only stirring in my slumber. > > So one is speculating, and then getting fascinated > by the products of one's speculation into further > speculations. On and on and on. > > -- Dan One has to see one's own speculating as thought and see all thought as one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE > > > > > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Until u pay Tax > > > > > > > > > > Paying tax is a _feeling_, but that is also only an idea, one > > could > > > > > say. Everything that has to do with the future are only ideas. > > To > > > > > really see for oneself that the future is only an idea is the > > > > > beginning of the waking up from the dream of thought. > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > Anders - > > > > > > > > When did you wake up from the dream and what was that like > > > > for you? > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > I have not woken up yet, I am only stirring in my slumber. > > > > So one is speculating, and then getting fascinated > > by the products of one's speculation into further > > speculations. On and on and on. > > > > -- Dan > > One has to see one's own speculating as thought and see all thought as > one. Hi Anders, You were the first I spoke to when I arrived here at Niz. At that time you were going on time - present, past and future and fear. And you were working hard on it or so it seemed. I worked with you on it for awhile and off and on came to visit you for a sentence or two a question here and there to see how you were doing. And each time you seem to be doing well in mentation, cogitation, intellection, reflection and so on with a dash of hilarity every now and then as you reflected many of the thoughts and appearances that appeared here in your posts like a mirror and all ideas would go in and come out the same and different. One day I put something in front of you to see what you would reflect and got back a surprise and it made me curious. Do you have a favorite flavor of ice cream? Lewis Do you like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE > > > > > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Until u pay Tax > > > > > > > > > > Paying tax is a _feeling_, but that is also only an idea, one > > could > > > > > say. Everything that has to do with the future are only ideas. > > To > > > > > really see for oneself that the future is only an idea is the > > > > > beginning of the waking up from the dream of thought. > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > Anders - > > > > > > > > When did you wake up from the dream and what was that like > > > > for you? > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > I have not woken up yet, I am only stirring in my slumber. > > > > So one is speculating, and then getting fascinated > > by the products of one's speculation into further > > speculations. On and on and on. > > > > -- Dan > > One has to see one's own speculating as thought and see all thought as > one. Where does this " has to " come from? Just more speculation about what one supposedly " has to " do -- On and on it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > One has to see one's own speculating as thought and see all > thought as > > one. > > Where does this " has to " come from? > > Just more speculation about what one supposedly " has to " > do -- > > On and on it goes. Yeah. I get the feeling I'm just typing to some computer. Oh, wait... I am! :-) Silly me. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE > > > > > > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > Until u pay Tax > > > > > > > > > > > > Paying tax is a _feeling_, but that is also only an idea, one > > > could > > > > > > say. Everything that has to do with the future are only ideas. > > > To > > > > > > really see for oneself that the future is only an idea is the > > > > > > beginning of the waking up from the dream of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > Anders - > > > > > > > > > > When did you wake up from the dream and what was that like > > > > > for you? > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > I have not woken up yet, I am only stirring in my slumber. > > > > > > So one is speculating, and then getting fascinated > > > by the products of one's speculation into further > > > speculations. On and on and on. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > One has to see one's own speculating as thought and see all thought as > > one. > > > Hi Anders, > > You were the first I spoke to when I arrived here at Niz. At that time > you were going on time - present, past and future and fear. And you > were working hard on it or so it seemed. I worked with you on it for > awhile and off and on came to visit you for a sentence or two a > question here and there to see how you were doing. And each time you > seem to be doing well in mentation, cogitation, intellection, > reflection and so on with a dash of hilarity every now and then as you > reflected many of the thoughts and appearances that appeared here in > your posts like a mirror and all ideas would go in and come out the > same and different. One day I put something in front of you to see > what you would reflect and got back a surprise and it made me curious. > > Do you have a favorite flavor of ice cream? > > Lewis Rocky Road t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE > > > > > > > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Until u pay Tax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paying tax is a _feeling_, but that is also only an idea, one > > > > could > > > > > > > say. Everything that has to do with the future are only ideas. > > > > To > > > > > > > really see for oneself that the future is only an idea is the > > > > > > > beginning of the waking up from the dream of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > Anders - > > > > > > > > > > > > When did you wake up from the dream and what was that like > > > > > > for you? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > I have not woken up yet, I am only stirring in my slumber. > > > > > > > > So one is speculating, and then getting fascinated > > > > by the products of one's speculation into further > > > > speculations. On and on and on. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > One has to see one's own speculating as thought and see all thought as > > > one. > > > > > > Hi Anders, > > > > You were the first I spoke to when I arrived here at Niz. At that time > > you were going on time - present, past and future and fear. And you > > were working hard on it or so it seemed. I worked with you on it for > > awhile and off and on came to visit you for a sentence or two a > > question here and there to see how you were doing. And each time you > > seem to be doing well in mentation, cogitation, intellection, > > reflection and so on with a dash of hilarity every now and then as you > > reflected many of the thoughts and appearances that appeared here in > > your posts like a mirror and all ideas would go in and come out the > > same and different. One day I put something in front of you to see > > what you would reflect and got back a surprise and it made me curious. > > > > Do you have a favorite flavor of ice cream? > > > > Lewis > > > > > Rocky Road Chunky Monkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE > > > > > > > > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Until u pay Tax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paying tax is a _feeling_, but that is also only an idea, one > > > > > could > > > > > > > > say. Everything that has to do with the future are only ideas. > > > > > To > > > > > > > > really see for oneself that the future is only an idea is the > > > > > > > > beginning of the waking up from the dream of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anders - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When did you wake up from the dream and what was that like > > > > > > > for you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not woken up yet, I am only stirring in my slumber. > > > > > > > > > > So one is speculating, and then getting fascinated > > > > > by the products of one's speculation into further > > > > > speculations. On and on and on. > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > One has to see one's own speculating as thought and see all thought as > > > > one. > > > > > > > > > Hi Anders, > > > > > > You were the first I spoke to when I arrived here at Niz. At that time > > > you were going on time - present, past and future and fear. And you > > > were working hard on it or so it seemed. I worked with you on it for > > > awhile and off and on came to visit you for a sentence or two a > > > question here and there to see how you were doing. And each time you > > > seem to be doing well in mentation, cogitation, intellection, > > > reflection and so on with a dash of hilarity every now and then as you > > > reflected many of the thoughts and appearances that appeared here in > > > your posts like a mirror and all ideas would go in and come out the > > > same and different. One day I put something in front of you to see > > > what you would reflect and got back a surprise and it made me curious. > > > > > > Do you have a favorite flavor of ice cream? > > > > > > Lewis > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Road > > > > Chunky Monkey Half Baked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE > > > > > > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > Until u pay Tax > > > > > > > > > > > > Paying tax is a _feeling_, but that is also only an idea, one > > > could > > > > > > say. Everything that has to do with the future are only ideas. > > > To > > > > > > really see for oneself that the future is only an idea is the > > > > > > beginning of the waking up from the dream of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > Anders - > > > > > > > > > > When did you wake up from the dream and what was that like > > > > > for you? > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > I have not woken up yet, I am only stirring in my slumber. > > > > > > So one is speculating, and then getting fascinated > > > by the products of one's speculation into further > > > speculations. On and on and on. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > One has to see one's own speculating as thought and see all thought as > > one. > > > Hi Anders, > > You were the first I spoke to when I arrived here at Niz. At that time > you were going on time - present, past and future and fear. And you > were working hard on it or so it seemed. I worked with you on it for > awhile and off and on came to visit you for a sentence or two a > question here and there to see how you were doing. And each time you > seem to be doing well in mentation, cogitation, intellection, > reflection and so on with a dash of hilarity every now and then as you > reflected many of the thoughts and appearances that appeared here in > your posts like a mirror and all ideas would go in and come out the > same and different. One day I put something in front of you to see > what you would reflect and got back a surprise and it made me curious. > > Do you have a favorite flavor of ice cream? > > Lewis > > > > Do you like Anything to do with favorite and liking is the snare, because that's what's create bondage to the rigid structure of the Thought Matrix. Every such rigid structure which is the foundation for liking holds conflict in place. The thinking mind sees liking and disliking as all there is, while the vast field of the " unknown " os by the thinking mind put mostly in the category of " dislike " . The category " like " consists of a confined, narrow and very limited frozen structure called the " me " . /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > <dan330033> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H > \(GE > > > > > > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > Until u pay Tax > > > > > > > > > > > > Paying tax is a _feeling_, but that is also only an idea, > one > > > could > > > > > > say. Everything that has to do with the future are only > ideas. > > > To > > > > > > really see for oneself that the future is only an idea is > the > > > > > > beginning of the waking up from the dream of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > Anders - > > > > > > > > > > When did you wake up from the dream and what was that like > > > > > for you? > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > I have not woken up yet, I am only stirring in my slumber. > > > > > > So one is speculating, and then getting fascinated > > > by the products of one's speculation into further > > > speculations. On and on and on. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > One has to see one's own speculating as thought and see all > thought as > > one. > > Where does this " has to " come from? > > Just more speculation about what one supposedly " has to " > do -- > > On and on it goes. You _must_ begin to see thought as thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 anders_lindman wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > >>Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " >><anders_lindman> wrote: >> >>>Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > >>>>Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " >>>><anders_lindman> wrote: >>>> >>>>>Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> >>>> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>>>Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " >>>>>><anders_lindman> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE >>>>>>>Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Until u pay Tax >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Paying tax is a _feeling_, but that is also only an idea, one >>>> >>>>could >>>> >>>>>>>say. Everything that has to do with the future are only > > ideas. > >>>>To >>>> >>>>>>>really see for oneself that the future is only an idea is the >>>>>>>beginning of the waking up from the dream of thought. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>/AL >>>>>> >>>>>>Anders - >>>>>> >>>>>>When did you wake up from the dream and what was that like >>>>>> for you? >>>>>> >>>>>>-- Dan >>>>> >>>>>I have not woken up yet, I am only stirring in my slumber. >>>> >>>>So one is speculating, and then getting fascinated >>>> by the products of one's speculation into further >>>> speculations. On and on and on. >>>> >>>>-- Dan >>> >>>One has to see one's own speculating as thought and see all thought as >>>one. >> >> >>Hi Anders, >> >>You were the first I spoke to when I arrived here at Niz. At that time >>you were going on time - present, past and future and fear. And you >>were working hard on it or so it seemed. I worked with you on it for >>awhile and off and on came to visit you for a sentence or two a >>question here and there to see how you were doing. And each time you >>seem to be doing well in mentation, cogitation, intellection, >>reflection and so on with a dash of hilarity every now and then as you >>reflected many of the thoughts and appearances that appeared here in >>your posts like a mirror and all ideas would go in and come out the >>same and different. One day I put something in front of you to see >>what you would reflect and got back a surprise and it made me curious. >> >>Do you have a favorite flavor of ice cream? >> >>Lewis >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Do you like > > > > Anything to do with favorite and liking is the snare, because that's > what's create bondage to the rigid structure of the Thought Matrix. > Every such rigid structure which is the foundation for liking holds > conflict in place. The thinking mind sees liking and disliking as all > there is, while the vast field of the " unknown " os by the thinking > mind put mostly in the category of " dislike " . The category " like " > consists of a confined, narrow and very limited frozen structure > called the " me " . > > /AL Very good Anders. The reflection system is working well. Is " ME " a confined, narrow and very limited frozen structure? Yes. ME is a confined, narrow and very limited frozen structure. " ME " also is a personal pronoun. ME is mean error. ME is abbreviation for Maine. ME is Myalgic Encephalitis. ME is Market Equity. ME is Mecury. ME is Anders. ME is everyone. Me is no one. Me is winter. ME is rain. ME is all things. ME is memory. ME is Time. ME is now. ME is past. ME is future. ME is death. ME is life. ME is short-circuited one day to be ME. ME is creator. ME is destroyer. ME is fear. ME is circus. ME is a brain. ME is consciousness. ME is mentation. ME is feelings. ME is emotions. ME is desires. ME is Love. ME is truth. ME is lies. ME is falsehood. ME is anger. ME is compassion. ME is a joke. ME is an actor. ME is person. ME is not a person. ME is SELF. ME is NO SELF. ME is chicken liver. ME is XYZ. ME is what is. ME is what is not. ME is God. ME is Devil. ME is :-( ME is :-| ME is :-D ME is (?). ME is YOU. ME is US. ME is I. ME is ME. ME is Soul. ME is mind. ME is body. ME is not. Me is. ME is no thing. ME is everything. ME is anything and so on for all things conceptual; ME is all that and ME is not all that and ME is both all that and not all that and neither all that nor not all that. And ME is other than all that that comes before that and after that. Please add these one by one or all at once to the tetralemma with all the concepts known to exist and all those to be created and those that have been destroyed and those yet to be made for all of it is ME and none of it is ME and both all and none is ME and neither all nor none is ME. Yes. ME is a confined, narrow and very limited frozen structure and it can be more or less or everything or nothing if it is allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > <dan330033> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H > > \(GE > > > > > > > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Until u pay Tax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paying tax is a _feeling_, but that is also only an idea, > > one > > > > could > > > > > > > say. Everything that has to do with the future are only > > ideas. > > > > To > > > > > > > really see for oneself that the future is only an idea is > > the > > > > > > > beginning of the waking up from the dream of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > Anders - > > > > > > > > > > > > When did you wake up from the dream and what was that like > > > > > > for you? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > I have not woken up yet, I am only stirring in my slumber. > > > > > > > > So one is speculating, and then getting fascinated > > > > by the products of one's speculation into further > > > > speculations. On and on and on. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > One has to see one's own speculating as thought and see all > > thought as > > > one. > > > > Where does this " has to " come from? > > > > Just more speculation about what one supposedly " has to " > > do -- > > > > On and on it goes. > > You _must_ begin to see thought as thought. You must begin to see your self as thought. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > <dan330033> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H > > \(GE > > > > > > > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Until u pay Tax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paying tax is a _feeling_, but that is also only an idea, > > one > > > > could > > > > > > > say. Everything that has to do with the future are only > > ideas. > > > > To > > > > > > > really see for oneself that the future is only an idea is > > the > > > > > > > beginning of the waking up from the dream of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > Anders - > > > > > > > > > > > > When did you wake up from the dream and what was that like > > > > > > for you? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > I have not woken up yet, I am only stirring in my slumber. > > > > > > > > So one is speculating, and then getting fascinated > > > > by the products of one's speculation into further > > > > speculations. On and on and on. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > One has to see one's own speculating as thought and see all > > thought as > > > one. > > > > Where does this " has to " come from? > > > > Just more speculation about what one supposedly " has to " > > do -- > > > > On and on it goes. > > You _must_ begin to see thought as thought. Bologna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > anders_lindman wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > >>Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > >><anders_lindman> wrote: > >> > >>>Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > > > wrote: > > > >>>>Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > >>>><anders_lindman> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > >>>> > >>>>wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>>Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > >>>>>><anders_lindman> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE > >>>>>>>Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Until u pay Tax > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Paying tax is a _feeling_, but that is also only an idea, one > >>>> > >>>>could > >>>> > >>>>>>>say. Everything that has to do with the future are only > > > > ideas. > > > >>>>To > >>>> > >>>>>>>really see for oneself that the future is only an idea is the > >>>>>>>beginning of the waking up from the dream of thought. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>/AL > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Anders - > >>>>>> > >>>>>>When did you wake up from the dream and what was that like > >>>>>> for you? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>-- Dan > >>>>> > >>>>>I have not woken up yet, I am only stirring in my slumber. > >>>> > >>>>So one is speculating, and then getting fascinated > >>>> by the products of one's speculation into further > >>>> speculations. On and on and on. > >>>> > >>>>-- Dan > >>> > >>>One has to see one's own speculating as thought and see all thought as > >>>one. > >> > >> > >>Hi Anders, > >> > >>You were the first I spoke to when I arrived here at Niz. At that time > >>you were going on time - present, past and future and fear. And you > >>were working hard on it or so it seemed. I worked with you on it for > >>awhile and off and on came to visit you for a sentence or two a > >>question here and there to see how you were doing. And each time you > >>seem to be doing well in mentation, cogitation, intellection, > >>reflection and so on with a dash of hilarity every now and then as you > >>reflected many of the thoughts and appearances that appeared here in > >>your posts like a mirror and all ideas would go in and come out the > >>same and different. One day I put something in front of you to see > >>what you would reflect and got back a surprise and it made me curious. > >> > >>Do you have a favorite flavor of ice cream? > >> > >>Lewis > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Do you like > > > > > > > > Anything to do with favorite and liking is the snare, because that's > > what's create bondage to the rigid structure of the Thought Matrix. > > Every such rigid structure which is the foundation for liking holds > > conflict in place. The thinking mind sees liking and disliking as all > > there is, while the vast field of the " unknown " os by the thinking > > mind put mostly in the category of " dislike " . The category " like " > > consists of a confined, narrow and very limited frozen structure > > called the " me " . > > > > /AL > > Very good Anders. The reflection system is working well. > > Is " ME " a confined, narrow and very limited frozen structure? Yes. ME is > a confined, narrow and very limited frozen structure. " ME " also is a > personal pronoun. ME is mean error. ME is abbreviation for Maine. ME is > Myalgic Encephalitis. ME is Market Equity. ME is Mecury. ME is Anders. > ME is everyone. Me is no one. Me is winter. ME is rain. ME is all > things. ME is memory. ME is Time. ME is now. ME is past. ME is future. > ME is death. ME is life. ME is short-circuited one day to be ME. ME is > creator. ME is destroyer. ME is fear. ME is circus. ME is a brain. ME is > consciousness. ME is mentation. ME is feelings. ME is emotions. ME is > desires. ME is Love. ME is truth. ME is lies. ME is falsehood. ME is > anger. ME is compassion. ME is a joke. ME is an actor. ME is person. ME > is not a person. ME is SELF. ME is NO SELF. ME is chicken liver. ME is > XYZ. ME is what is. ME is what is not. ME is God. ME is Devil. ME is :-( > ME is :-| ME is :-D ME is (?). ME is YOU. ME is US. ME is I. ME is ME. > ME is Soul. ME is mind. ME is body. ME is not. Me is. ME is no thing. ME > is everything. ME is anything and so on for all things conceptual; ME is > all that and ME is not all that and ME is both all that and not all that > and neither all that nor not all that. And ME is other than all that > that comes before that and after that. > > Please add these one by one or all at once to the tetralemma with all > the concepts known to exist and all those to be created and those that > have been destroyed and those yet to be made for all of it is ME and > none of it is ME and both all and none is ME and neither all nor none is > ME. Yes. ME is a confined, narrow and very limited frozen structure and > it can be more or less or everything or nothing if it is allowed. Melting the ME is the goal of this moment. Time's job is to soften the frozen structure without taking out the freeze-ability of the mind. When the mind is too confined and rigid, it becomes like a block of ice. When the mind is softened, it becomes like ice cream. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > <dan330033> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H > > > \(GE > > > > > > > > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Until u pay Tax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paying tax is a _feeling_, but that is also only an idea, > > > one > > > > > could > > > > > > > > say. Everything that has to do with the future are only > > > ideas. > > > > > To > > > > > > > > really see for oneself that the future is only an idea is > > > the > > > > > > > > beginning of the waking up from the dream of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anders - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When did you wake up from the dream and what was that like > > > > > > > for you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not woken up yet, I am only stirring in my slumber. > > > > > > > > > > So one is speculating, and then getting fascinated > > > > > by the products of one's speculation into further > > > > > speculations. On and on and on. > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > One has to see one's own speculating as thought and see all > > > thought as > > > > one. > > > > > > Where does this " has to " come from? > > > > > > Just more speculation about what one supposedly " has to " > > > do -- > > > > > > On and on it goes. > > > > You _must_ begin to see thought as thought. > > > > > You must begin to see your self as thought. > > > toombaru But not limited to _only_ thought. People today are obsessed with thinking. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > <dan330033> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > <dan330033> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali > H > > > \(GE > > > > > > > > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Until u pay Tax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paying tax is a _feeling_, but that is also only an > idea, > > > one > > > > > could > > > > > > > > say. Everything that has to do with the future are > only > > > ideas. > > > > > To > > > > > > > > really see for oneself that the future is only an idea > is > > > the > > > > > > > > beginning of the waking up from the dream of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anders - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When did you wake up from the dream and what was that > like > > > > > > > for you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not woken up yet, I am only stirring in my > slumber. > > > > > > > > > > So one is speculating, and then getting fascinated > > > > > by the products of one's speculation into further > > > > > speculations. On and on and on. > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > One has to see one's own speculating as thought and see all > > > thought as > > > > one. > > > > > > Where does this " has to " come from? > > > > > > Just more speculation about what one supposedly " has to " > > > do -- > > > > > > On and on it goes. > > > > You _must_ begin to see thought as thought. > > Bologna. You must recognize the differwence between the idea of bologna, and actually smelling bologna - IN TH MOMENT. The writer is aware of his own use of words, of ideas about things, and thereby fully aware of the second-hand nature of what is written. You too should be aware of the third-hand nature when reading this. ;-----------) Haha! /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > You must recognize the differwence between the idea of bologna, and > actually smelling bologna - IN TH MOMENT. The writer is aware of his > own use of words, of ideas about things, and thereby fully aware of > the second-hand nature of what is written. You too should be aware of > the third-hand nature when reading this. ;-----------) > > Haha! > > /AL " You, too, should ... " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > You must recognize the differwence between the idea of bologna, and > > actually smelling bologna - IN TH MOMENT. The writer is aware of > his > > own use of words, of ideas about things, and thereby fully aware of > > the second-hand nature of what is written. You too should be aware > of > > the third-hand nature when reading this. ;-----------) > > > > Haha! > > > > /AL > > " You, too, should ... " As the writer already has written; the writer is aware of his own use of words. LOL! Insidently, the writer are also fully aware of the words from others, but they are not as important as the words from the writer. )))))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > You must recognize the differwence between the idea of bologna, and > > > actually smelling bologna - IN TH MOMENT. The writer is aware of > > his > > > own use of words, of ideas about things, and thereby fully aware of > > > the second-hand nature of what is written. You too should be aware > > of > > > the third-hand nature when reading this. ;-----------) > > > > > > Haha! > > > > > > /AL > > > > " You, too, should ... " > > As the writer already has written; the writer is aware of his own use > of words. LOL! Insidently, the writer are also fully aware of the > words from others, but they are not as important as the words from the > writer. )))))) The writer has access only to his own words. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > You must recognize the differwence between the idea of bologna, and > > > > actually smelling bologna - IN TH MOMENT. The writer is aware of > > > his > > > > own use of words, of ideas about things, and thereby fully aware of > > > > the second-hand nature of what is written. You too should be aware > > > of > > > > the third-hand nature when reading this. ;-----------) > > > > > > > > Haha! > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > " You, too, should ... " > > > > As the writer already has written; the writer is aware of his own use > > of words. LOL! Insidently, the writer are also fully aware of the > > words from others, but they are not as important as the words from the > > writer. )))))) > > > > > The writer has access only to his own words. > > > toombaru The writer can clearly identify that the previous writer indeed believes the prison of ideas to be the whole world. Since the writer is not plugged into the Matrix as the previous writer he can but to clarify the condition of the previous writer: the Matrix has you... :-) /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must recognize the differwence between the idea of > bologna, and > > > > > actually smelling bologna - IN TH MOMENT. The writer is aware of > > > > his > > > > > own use of words, of ideas about things, and thereby fully > aware of > > > > > the second-hand nature of what is written. You too should be > aware > > > > of > > > > > the third-hand nature when reading this. ;-----------) > > > > > > > > > > Haha! > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > " You, too, should ... " > > > > > > As the writer already has written; the writer is aware of his own use > > > of words. LOL! Insidently, the writer are also fully aware of the > > > words from others, but they are not as important as the words from the > > > writer. )))))) > > > > > > > > > > The writer has access only to his own words. > > > > > > toombaru > > The writer can clearly identify that the previous writer indeed > believes the prison of ideas to be the whole world. Since the writer > is not plugged into the Matrix as the previous writer he can but to > clarify the condition of the previous writer: the Matrix has you... > > :-) > > /AL matrix.....smatrix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > You must recognize the differwence between the idea of bologna, and > > > actually smelling bologna - IN TH MOMENT. The writer is aware of > > his > > > own use of words, of ideas about things, and thereby fully aware of > > > the second-hand nature of what is written. You too should be aware > > of > > > the third-hand nature when reading this. ;-----------) > > > > > > Haha! > > > > > > /AL > > > > " You, too, should ... " > > As the writer already has written; the writer is aware of his own use > of words. LOL! Insidently, the writer are also fully aware of the > words from others, but they are not as important as the words from the > writer. )))))) Which word is the most important? Can we find that one and just keep posting it over and over? Sort of a short-cut to truth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must recognize the differwence between the idea of > > bologna, and > > > > > > actually smelling bologna - IN TH MOMENT. The writer is aware of > > > > > his > > > > > > own use of words, of ideas about things, and thereby fully > > aware of > > > > > > the second-hand nature of what is written. You too should be > > aware > > > > > of > > > > > > the third-hand nature when reading this. ;-----------) > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha! > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > " You, too, should ... " > > > > > > > > As the writer already has written; the writer is aware of his own use > > > > of words. LOL! Insidently, the writer are also fully aware of the > > > > words from others, but they are not as important as the words from the > > > > writer. )))))) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The writer has access only to his own words. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > The writer can clearly identify that the previous writer indeed > > believes the prison of ideas to be the whole world. Since the writer > > is not plugged into the Matrix as the previous writer he can but to > > clarify the condition of the previous writer: the Matrix has you... > > > > :-) > > > > /AL > > > matrix.....smatrix You don't see it, do you? You cannot see your own thoughts as being a prison. You are so used to this prison. You even think you _are_ this prison. See through you I can. Can you see through yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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