How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for Attaining Salvation?

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I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments

which is rare but is somewhere -Gita 7(19).

 

God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4

(11). My message is how can I think of God & remember God by true

sentiments so that i can get salvation at the end at least as per

Gita 8(5).

 

pawan kumar singhal

Ram Ram

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[Guest guest]

I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments

which is rare but is somewhere -Gita 7(19).

 

God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4

(11). My message is how can I think of God & remember God by true

sentiments so that i can get salvation at the end at least as per

Gita 8(5).

 

pawan kumar singhal

Ram Ram

-------------------------------

NEW POSTING

 

Dear Pawan Kumar ji,

I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.

Love is God.

God is Love.

Love all

Serve all.

See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.

Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who is

given this blessed Birth.

Think Good

See Good

Hear Good

Do Good.

 

Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , so

thank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIS

creation.

 

By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice is

with you but to do this you always need the blessings of that

Supreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path of

salvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIM

to decide.

 

It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.

 

One need to have a strong determination and go step by step and

drop by drop you can fill the ocean.

 

I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any way

With Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal Love

KAMLESH KUMAR

HELP EVER HURT NEVER

LOVE ALL SERVE ALL

HAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAY

 

Kamlesh Kumar

------------------------------

 

 

Dear Sadhakas, namaste!

Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?

Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When " I " who

expect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to be

one and the same, salvation has happened.

In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,

duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desire

anything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,

Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of

desire!

when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, " I " also

end at the same time, not later!

See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!

Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

 

----------------------------

 

Dear Sadak,

pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over and

if you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.

Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, " Aninya Chitayayome " , means

constant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Your

responsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HIS

responsibility takes over.

This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE will

liberate HIS baktha in same birth.

Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, making

garlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listening

scriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleep

and practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lighting

lamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walking

around HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri Krishanaya

Vasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In all

moments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan

 

-------------------------------

Dear Sadhak,

 

Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form of

human being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 million

different forms of births. If we know we will always remember Him

because we are obligated to Him

 

Secondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us some

sixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life and

we will be happy.

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

 

----------------------------

We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritual

practices will definitely lead us in the right direction.

Hari Shanker Deo

 

 

-------------------------------

SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS

- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.

See God in All. God in you is the God in All.

Serve All.

Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.

Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing to

serve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice is

yours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.

- " Aninya Chitayayome " , means constant thought on ME, that soul I

(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha in

same birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.

- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'

- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!

- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,

experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living in

Salvation

- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we are

eternally obligated to Bhagwaan

 

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[Guest guest]

I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments

which is rare but is somewhere -Gita 7(19).

 

God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4

(11). My message is how can I think of God & remember God by true

sentiments so that i can get salvation at the end at least as per

Gita 8(5).

 

pawan kumar singhal

Ram Ram

-------------------------------

NEW POSTING

 

Priy sadhak

In my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in every

little bit of action happening in & around U.

Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?

Like breathing.

Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.

Can U do all this?

Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our life

without interruption and without any noise. also without showing any

ehsan.

Doesnt it make u believe & love god?

If yes love more

if no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.

Sorry if I hurt U.

I didnt mean it.

thanx

Raja Gurdasani

------------------------

 

 

Dear Sadaks,

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.

Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress and

asked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songs

were Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6

enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was with

Sri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they were

highly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left an

atom of thought any part of their life that they are already in

salvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is not

tracable.

But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.

Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares for

food. Those great men we recognised them as " Chitta Braman " , (metaly

handicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes they

will be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.

 

B.Sathyanarayan

 

-------------------------------

 

PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Pawan Kumar ji,

I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.

Love is God.

God is Love.

Love all

Serve all.

See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.

Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who is

given this blessed Birth.

Think Good

See Good

Hear Good

Do Good.

 

Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , so

thank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIS

creation.

 

By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice is

with you but to do this you always need the blessings of that

Supreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path of

salvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIM

to decide.

 

It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.

 

One need to have a strong determination and go step by step and

drop by drop you can fill the ocean.

 

I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any way

With Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal Love

KAMLESH KUMAR

HELP EVER HURT NEVER

LOVE ALL SERVE ALL

HAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAY

 

Kamlesh Kumar

------------------------------

 

 

Dear Sadhakas, namaste!

Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?

Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When " I " who

expect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to be

one and the same, salvation has happened.

In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,

duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desire

anything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,

Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of

desire!

when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, " I " also

end at the same time, not later!

See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!

Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

 

----------------------------

 

Dear Sadak,

pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over and

if you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.

Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, " Aninya Chitayayome " , means

constant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Your

responsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HIS

responsibility takes over.

This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE will

liberate HIS baktha in same birth.

Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, making

garlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listening

scriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleep

and practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lighting

lamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walking

around HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri Krishanaya

Vasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In all

moments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan

 

-------------------------------

Dear Sadhak,

 

Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form of

human being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 million

different forms of births. If we know we will always remember Him

because we are obligated to Him

 

Secondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us some

sixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life and

we will be happy.

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

 

----------------------------

We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritual

practices will definitely lead us in the right direction.

Hari Shanker Deo

 

 

-------------------------------

SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS

- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.

See God in All. God in you is the God in All.

Serve All.

Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.

Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing to

serve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice is

yours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.

- " Aninya Chitayayome " , means constant thought on ME, that soul I

(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha in

same birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.

- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'

- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!

- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,

experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living in

Salvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruption

and without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.

- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we are

eternally obligated to Bhagwaan

 

-------------------------

 

GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE -

1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.

2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible..

3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the

extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas

4. Be as concise, to the point, respecting sadhaka's time.

5. Focus on subject at hand only.

6. Do not include links to the other sites.

7. Do not include your personal information (Ph #, address etc).

8. Do not personalize message

9. All responses may not be posted.

10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting.

11. Take into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-

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MODERATOR

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[Guest guest]

I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments

which is rare but is somewhere -Gita 7(19).

 

God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4

(11). My message is how can I think of God & remember God by true

sentiments so that i can get salvation at the end at least as per

Gita 8(5).

 

pawan kumar singhal

Ram Ram

-------------------------------

NEW POSTING

 

Q: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for Attaining

Salvation?

 

Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not be

attained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are no

sentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.

Remembering The God is another myth.

 

Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!

Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-

present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataract

in terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude

(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of its

hinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignorance

and inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of the

ignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception and

experience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.

Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist for

their approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is so

strong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.

Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealed

here!

 

Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishads

make it very clear:

 

Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |

 

The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such as

listening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of the

self-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects as

well as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.

Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far as

there is insistence for seeing everything through the lens of

cognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what it

sees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmitted

may not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatial

boundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The image

sensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien to

each other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.

Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality is

futile in the first place.

 

But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest to

be attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort of

seeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is the

insistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. The

insistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.

The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever could

just escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fears

cocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one could

just drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for every

one!

 

Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanum

swaam ||

 

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … just

perceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which is

The You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at your

death, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT reveals

itself within and around.

 

Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:

 

Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?

Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.

Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?

Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||

 

I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannada

equivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefit

from,

 

Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?

Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.

Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?

Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.

 

Grossly, it means,

 

How can there be a sense of existence without something being

within?

The being within remains " as is " NOT seeking anything.

How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can ever

attain That?

Understand that you can attain the one within by just being within

seeking nothing.

 

Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strength

within to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality in

his revelation on " Bhagavattattva " (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):

 

1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop Antah

Karana (intrinsic awareness).

2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innate

awareness).

3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute

(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)

 

I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in this

regard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar he

generously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is being

currently circulated.

 

Respects.

 

Naga Narayana

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Hari Om

 

Pawanji ! You " become " of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practice

a wife " becomes " of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simple

heart: I am of the God, only God is mine.

 

Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The " karta "

(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have become

Godly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God is

that which " happens " effortlessly and which is not " done " .

 

Look at the status today. We " have to " think/remember about God,

while thinking/remembering about the world " happens automatically " .

 

Why? Because at " subtle ego level " we continue to be of world. Hence

thoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the world

only , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experience

problems in concentrating.

 

CHANGE YOUR EGO from " I am of world " to " I am of God " ! Thereupon

bhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will " have

to be done " !

 

As simple as that !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God so

that we can do many good things in life and we will be happy as

posting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.

I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life without

interruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.

I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the posting

of all sadhak

Ram Ram

 

pawan singhal

--------------------------------

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

Pawanji, kindly post " sixteen powers by God " as separate question.

From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

 

Priy sadhak

In my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in every

little bit of action happening in & around U.

Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?

Like breathing.

Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.

Can U do all this?

Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our life

without interruption and without any noise. also without showing any

ehsan.

Doesnt it make u believe & love god?

If yes love more

if no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.

Sorry if I hurt U.

I didnt mean it.

thanx

Raja Gurdasani

------------------------

 

 

Dear Sadaks,

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.

Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress and

asked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songs

were Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6

enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was with

Sri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they were

highly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left an

atom of thought any part of their life that they are already in

salvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is not

tracable.

But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.

Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares for

food. Those great men we recognised them as " Chitta Braman " , (metaly

handicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes they

will be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.

 

B.Sathyanarayan

 

-------------------------------

 

PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Pawan Kumar ji,

I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.

Love is God.

God is Love.

Love all

Serve all.

See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.

Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who is

given this blessed Birth.

Think Good

See Good

Hear Good

Do Good.

 

Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , so

thank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIS

creation.

 

By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice is

with you but to do this you always need the blessings of that

Supreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path of

salvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIM

to decide.

 

It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.

 

One need to have a strong determination and go step by step and

drop by drop you can fill the ocean.

 

I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any way

With Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal Love

KAMLESH KUMAR

HELP EVER HURT NEVER

LOVE ALL SERVE ALL

HAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAY

 

Kamlesh Kumar

------------------------------

 

 

Dear Sadhakas, namaste!

Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?

Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When " I " who

expect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to be

one and the same, salvation has happened.

In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,

duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desire

anything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,

Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of

desire!

when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, " I " also

end at the same time, not later!

See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!

Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

 

----------------------------

 

Dear Sadak,

pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over and

if you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.

Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, " Aninya Chitayayome " , means

constant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Your

responsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HIS

responsibility takes over.

This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE will

liberate HIS baktha in same birth.

Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, making

garlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listening

scriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleep

and practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lighting

lamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walking

around HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri Krishanaya

Vasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In all

moments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan

 

-------------------------------

Dear Sadhak,

 

Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form of

human being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 million

different forms of births. If we know we will always remember Him

because we are obligated to Him

 

Secondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us some

sixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life and

we will be happy.

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

 

----------------------------

We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritual

practices will definitely lead us in the right direction.

Hari Shanker Deo

 

 

-------------------------------

SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS

- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.

See God in All. God in you is the God in All.

Serve All.

Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.

Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing to

serve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice is

yours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.

- " Aninya Chitayayome " , means constant thought on ME, that soul I

(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha in

same birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.

- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'

- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!

- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,

experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living in

Salvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruption

and without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.

- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we are

eternally obligated to Bhagwaan

- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignorance

and inertia are removed.

- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not be

attained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannot

withold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional

reality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty in

realizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is the

insistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. The

insistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … just

perceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.

Remain " as is " NOT seeking anything. Simply be!

Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsic

awareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to

remain in The Tattva … The Absolute

- Become of " Paramatma " , then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'

has become of God. Our problem is that at " subtle ego level " we

continue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.

Change YOUR EGO from " I am of world " to " I am of God " !

 

 

 

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I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments

which is rare but is somewhere -Gita 7(19).

 

God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4

(11). My message is how can I think of God & remember God by true

sentiments so that i can get salvation at the end at least as per

Gita 8(5).

 

pawan kumar singhal

Ram Ram

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NEW POSTING

 

Dear Sadak,

You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but in

Veerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR

problem ends.

B.Sathyanarayan

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Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explained

by Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh Kumar

Pawan Singhal

Ram Ram

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Dear Sadhaks ,

The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Path

of a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on two

different points of time , are given below. Both are related .

 

In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated as

follows :

 

1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never have

been ( and , can never be )otherwise .

 

2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answers

are available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); it

is ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be known

at a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available to

The Knower of the Self by Existence .

 

3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). It

is always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.

Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.

 

4.The sense of Doership disappears .

 

5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows to

the Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.

Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussion

is only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

 

6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (

Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power---

--not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......

to transform the seeker ).

 

7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, we

were already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( we

shall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is the

Test ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basic

principles shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remain

Blissful, and Peaceful .

 

8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , with

the intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . The

shortest Way.

No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition of

ones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),

respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .

 

9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way to

Light is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but your

willingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).

Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truth

of Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It is

already present in YOU, You are already That .

 

 

ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )

 

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For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union with

that great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :

 

1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on the

sacred Path of love and Light.

 

2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personal

experience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable

 

3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in that

experience.

 

4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where

˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Grace

and yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.

there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any more

running away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. Existences

Play , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part of

Existential Play and Doing

 

5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is the

Knowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strive

for Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜

Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (

devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scriptures

speak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seeking

heart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma

 

6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is to

judge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movement

of the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to

die to the self , to realise the Self.

 

the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when it

arrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,

knows now , that he does not know.

 

Narinder bhandari

 

AUM

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previous

post!

I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time to

ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?

 

I say this to emphasize " remembering God and not expecting

anything " , just unconditional love for God goes a long way.

No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilation

of " me " . Without " me " , all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) have

no footing. " me " is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!

Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinly

say they are, to pay our respect!

Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,

it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,

isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have different

approaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired by

such Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique in

their own way is the proof of different expressions of the same

truth.

Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Q: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for Attaining

Salvation?

 

Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not be

attained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are no

sentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.

Remembering The God is another myth.

 

Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!

Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-

present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataract

in terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude

(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of its

hinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignorance

and inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of the

ignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception and

experience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.

Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist for

their approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is so

strong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.

Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealed

here!

 

Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishads

make it very clear:

 

Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |

 

The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such as

listening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of the

self-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects as

well as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.

Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far as

there is insistence for seeing everything through the lens of

cognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what it

sees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmitted

may not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatial

boundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The image

sensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien to

each other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.

Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality is

futile in the first place.

 

But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest to

be attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort of

seeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is the

insistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. The

insistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.

The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever could

just escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fears

cocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one could

just drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for every

one!

 

Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanum

swaam ||

 

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … just

perceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which is

The You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at your

death, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT reveals

itself within and around.

 

Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:

 

Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?

Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.

Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?

Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||

 

I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannada

equivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefit

from,

 

Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?

Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.

Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?

Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.

 

Grossly, it means,

 

How can there be a sense of existence without something being

within?

The being within remains " as is " NOT seeking anything.

How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can ever

attain That?

Understand that you can attain the one within by just being within

seeking nothing.

 

Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strength

within to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality in

his revelation on " Bhagavattattva " (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):

 

1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop Antah

Karana (intrinsic awareness).

2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innate

awareness).

3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute

(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)

 

I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in this

regard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar he

generously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is being

currently circulated.

 

Respects.

 

Naga Narayana

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Hari Om

 

Pawanji ! You " become " of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practice

a wife " becomes " of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simple

heart: I am of the God, only God is mine.

 

Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The " karta "

(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have become

Godly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God is

that which " happens " effortlessly and which is not " done " .

 

Look at the status today. We " have to " think/remember about God,

while thinking/remembering about the world " happens automatically " .

 

Why? Because at " subtle ego level " we continue to be of world. Hence

thoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the world

only , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experience

problems in concentrating.

 

CHANGE YOUR EGO from " I am of world " to " I am of God " ! Thereupon

bhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will " have

to be done " !

 

As simple as that !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God so

that we can do many good things in life and we will be happy as

posting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.

I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life without

interruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.

I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the posting

of all sadhak

Ram Ram

 

pawan singhal

--------------------------------

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

Pawanji, kindly post " sixteen powers by God " as separate question.

From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

 

Priy sadhak

In my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in every

little bit of action happening in & around U.

Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?

Like breathing.

Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.

Can U do all this?

Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our life

without interruption and without any noise. also without showing any

ehsan.

Doesnt it make u believe & love god?

If yes love more

if no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.

Sorry if I hurt U.

I didnt mean it.

thanx

Raja Gurdasani

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Dear Sadaks,

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.

Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress and

asked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songs

were Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6

enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was with

Sri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they were

highly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left an

atom of thought any part of their life that they are already in

salvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is not

tracable.

But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.

Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares for

food. Those great men we recognised them as " Chitta Braman " , (metaly

handicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes they

will be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.

 

B.Sathyanarayan

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Pawan Kumar ji,

I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.

Love is God.

God is Love.

Love all

Serve all.

See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.

Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who is

given this blessed Birth.

Think Good

See Good

Hear Good

Do Good.

 

Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , so

thank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIS

creation.

 

By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice is

with you but to do this you always need the blessings of that

Supreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path of

salvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIM

to decide.

 

It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.

 

One need to have a strong determination and go step by step and

drop by drop you can fill the ocean.

 

I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any way

With Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal Love

KAMLESH KUMAR

HELP EVER HURT NEVER

LOVE ALL SERVE ALL

HAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAY

 

Kamlesh Kumar

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Dear Sadhakas, namaste!

Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?

Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When " I " who

expect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to be

one and the same, salvation has happened.

In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,

duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desire

anything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,

Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of

desire!

when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, " I " also

end at the same time, not later!

See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!

Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

 

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Dear Sadak,

pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over and

if you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.

Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, " Aninya Chitayayome " , means

constant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Your

responsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HIS

responsibility takes over.

This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE will

liberate HIS baktha in same birth.

Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, making

garlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listening

scriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleep

and practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lighting

lamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walking

around HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri Krishanaya

Vasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In all

moments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan

 

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Dear Sadhak,

 

Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form of

human being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 million

different forms of births. If we know we will always remember Him

because we are obligated to Him

 

Secondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us some

sixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life and

we will be happy.

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

 

----------------------------

We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritual

practices will definitely lead us in the right direction.

Hari Shanker Deo

 

 

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SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS

- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.

See God in All. God in you is the God in All.

Serve All.

Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.

Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing to

serve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice is

yours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.

- " Aninya Chitayayome " , means constant thought on ME, that soul I

(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha in

same birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.

- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'

- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!

- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,

experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living in

Salvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruption

and without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.

- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we are

eternally obligated to Bhagwaan

- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignorance

and inertia are removed.

- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not be

attained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannot

withold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional

reality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty in

realizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is the

insistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. The

insistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … just

perceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.

Remain " as is " NOT seeking anything. Simply be!

Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsic

awareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to

remain in The Tattva … The Absolute

- Become of " Paramatma " , then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'

has become of God. Our problem is that at " subtle ego level " we

continue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.

Change YOUR EGO from " I am of world " to " I am of God " !

- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditional

love for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead

to anhilation of " me " . Without " me " , all six enemies (anger,

jealousy, etc) have no footing.

- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.

- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.

- living in the present, Now and here.

- sense of Doership disappears

- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows to

the Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.

Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussion

is only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

- Words become Fewer

- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. Minimum

Discussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone's

Being ( SEE 1 Above ),

- and finally... drop all Knowledge

- longing for God is Existence Gift

- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to the self , to

realise the Self. when it

arrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,

knows now , that he does not know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments

which is rare but is somewhere -Gita 7(19).

 

God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4

(11). My message is how can I think of God & remember God by true

sentiments so that i can get salvation at the end at least as per

Gita 8(5).

 

pawan kumar singhal

Ram Ram

-------------------------------

NEW POSTING

 

Sree Pratabji, Kindly bear with me for my mistake. Your goodness

said-- say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have

time to ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in

Salvation?. Baktha is in constant thought of GOD that is why he has

full time to ask

GOD why that HE is delaying salvation. Worldly man partly with God

has time to ask GOD for his desires to be fullfilled one after the

other until death. Such man Geetha has said Kamiyartha Baktha, whom

GOD gives him long rope fulfilling his desires one after other, GOD

hoping he will become Jignasu. That hope of GOD is benovolence. Once

again pardon me if I am wrong and enlighten me.

 

Salvation is that I thought is attained stage, not living in

salvation. Salvation is to be attained and not living in it. Means

trying for salvation. Once salvation is attained there is no

desires. You are very right Sir.

B.Sathyanarayan

-------------------------------

 

 

God is available only when we become His and remember His Glories

and His name many times continuously, then and then we will feel His

presence within your hearts. He will be seen but his presence will

be felt. This is how Mirabai, Narsinh Mehta and Chaitainya Maha

Prabhu realized God.

This is what I feel everyday while offering prayers

 

Truly yours

S S Bhatt

 

-------------------------------

 

PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Sadak,

You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but in

Veerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR

problem ends.

B.Sathyanarayan

-----------------------------

Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explained

by Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh Kumar

Pawan Singhal

Ram Ram

-------------------------------

Dear Sadhaks ,

The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Path

of a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on two

different points of time , are given below. Both are related .

 

In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated as

follows :

 

1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never have

been ( and , can never be )otherwise .

 

2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answers

are available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); it

is ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be known

at a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available to

The Knower of the Self by Existence .

 

3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). It

is always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.

Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.

 

4.The sense of Doership disappears .

 

5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows to

the Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.

Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussion

is only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

 

6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (

Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power---

--not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......

to transform the seeker ).

 

7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, we

were already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( we

shall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is the

Test ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basic

principles shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remain

Blissful, and Peaceful .

 

8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , with

the intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . The

shortest Way.

No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition of

ones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),

respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .

 

9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way to

Light is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but your

willingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).

Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truth

of Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It is

already present in YOU, You are already That .

 

 

ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )

 

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For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union with

that great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :

 

1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on the

sacred Path of love and Light.

 

2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personal

experience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable

 

3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in that

experience.

 

4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where

˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Grace

and yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.

there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any more

running away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. Existences

Play , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part of

Existential Play and Doing

 

5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is the

Knowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strive

for Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜

Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (

devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scriptures

speak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seeking

heart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma

 

6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is to

judge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movement

of the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to

die to the self , to realise the Self.

 

the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when it

arrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,

knows now , that he does not know.

 

Narinder bhandari

 

AUM

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previous

post!

I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time to

ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?

 

I say this to emphasize " remembering God and not expecting

anything " , just unconditional love for God goes a long way.

No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilation

of " me " . Without " me " , all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) have

no footing. " me " is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!

Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinly

say they are, to pay our respect!

Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,

it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,

isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have different

approaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired by

such Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique in

their own way is the proof of different expressions of the same

truth.

Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Q: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for Attaining

Salvation?

 

Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not be

attained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are no

sentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.

Remembering The God is another myth.

 

Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!

Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-

present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataract

in terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude

(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of its

hinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignorance

and inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of the

ignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception and

experience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.

Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist for

their approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is so

strong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.

Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealed

here!

 

Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishads

make it very clear:

 

Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |

 

The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such as

listening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of the

self-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects as

well as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.

Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far as

there is insistence for seeing everything through the lens of

cognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what it

sees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmitted

may not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatial

boundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The image

sensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien to

each other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.

Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality is

futile in the first place.

 

But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest to

be attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort of

seeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is the

insistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. The

insistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.

The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever could

just escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fears

cocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one could

just drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for every

one!

 

Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanum

swaam ||

 

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … just

perceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which is

The You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at your

death, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT reveals

itself within and around.

 

Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:

 

Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?

Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.

Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?

Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||

 

I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannada

equivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefit

from,

 

Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?

Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.

Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?

Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.

 

Grossly, it means,

 

How can there be a sense of existence without something being

within?

The being within remains " as is " NOT seeking anything.

How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can ever

attain That?

Understand that you can attain the one within by just being within

seeking nothing.

 

Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strength

within to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality in

his revelation on " Bhagavattattva " (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):

 

1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop Antah

Karana (intrinsic awareness).

2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innate

awareness).

3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute

(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)

 

I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in this

regard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar he

generously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is being

currently circulated.

 

Respects.

 

Naga Narayana

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Hari Om

 

Pawanji ! You " become " of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practice

a wife " becomes " of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simple

heart: I am of the God, only God is mine.

 

Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The " karta "

(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have become

Godly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God is

that which " happens " effortlessly and which is not " done " .

 

Look at the status today. We " have to " think/remember about God,

while thinking/remembering about the world " happens automatically " .

 

Why? Because at " subtle ego level " we continue to be of world. Hence

thoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the world

only , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experience

problems in concentrating.

 

CHANGE YOUR EGO from " I am of world " to " I am of God " ! Thereupon

bhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will " have

to be done " !

 

As simple as that !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God so

that we can do many good things in life and we will be happy as

posting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.

I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life without

interruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.

I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the posting

of all sadhak

Ram Ram

 

pawan singhal

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

Pawanji, kindly post " sixteen powers by God " as separate question.

From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

 

Priy sadhak

In my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in every

little bit of action happening in & around U.

Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?

Like breathing.

Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.

Can U do all this?

Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our life

without interruption and without any noise. also without showing any

ehsan.

Doesnt it make u believe & love god?

If yes love more

if no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.

Sorry if I hurt U.

I didnt mean it.

thanx

Raja Gurdasani

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Dear Sadaks,

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.

Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress and

asked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songs

were Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6

enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was with

Sri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they were

highly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left an

atom of thought any part of their life that they are already in

salvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is not

tracable.

But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.

Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares for

food. Those great men we recognised them as " Chitta Braman " , (metaly

handicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes they

will be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.

 

B.Sathyanarayan

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Pawan Kumar ji,

I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.

Love is God.

God is Love.

Love all

Serve all.

See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.

Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who is

given this blessed Birth.

Think Good

See Good

Hear Good

Do Good.

 

Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , so

thank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIS

creation.

 

By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice is

with you but to do this you always need the blessings of that

Supreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path of

salvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIM

to decide.

 

It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.

 

One need to have a strong determination and go step by step and

drop by drop you can fill the ocean.

 

I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any way

With Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal Love

KAMLESH KUMAR

HELP EVER HURT NEVER

LOVE ALL SERVE ALL

HAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAY

 

Kamlesh Kumar

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Dear Sadhakas, namaste!

Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?

Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When " I " who

expect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to be

one and the same, salvation has happened.

In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,

duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desire

anything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,

Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of

desire!

when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, " I " also

end at the same time, not later!

See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!

Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

 

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Dear Sadak,

pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over and

if you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.

Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, " Aninya Chitayayome " , means

constant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Your

responsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HIS

responsibility takes over.

This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE will

liberate HIS baktha in same birth.

Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, making

garlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listening

scriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleep

and practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lighting

lamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walking

around HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri Krishanaya

Vasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In all

moments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan

 

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Dear Sadhak,

 

Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form of

human being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 million

different forms of births. If we know we will always remember Him

because we are obligated to Him

 

Secondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us some

sixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life and

we will be happy.

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

 

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We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritual

practices will definitely lead us in the right direction.

Hari Shanker Deo

 

 

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SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS

- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.

See God in All. God in you is the God in All.

Serve All.

Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.

Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing to

serve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice is

yours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.

- " Aninya Chitayayome " , means constant thought on ME, that soul I

(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha in

same birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.

- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'

- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!

- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,

experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living in

Salvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruption

and without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.

- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we are

eternally obligated to Bhagwaan

- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignorance

and inertia are removed.

- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not be

attained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannot

withold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional

reality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty in

realizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is the

insistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. The

insistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … just

perceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.

Remain " as is " NOT seeking anything. Simply be!

Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsic

awareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to

remain in The Tattva … The Absolute

- Become of " Paramatma " , then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'

has become of God. Our problem is that at " subtle ego level " we

continue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.

Change YOUR EGO from " I am of world " to " I am of God " !

- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditional

love for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead

to anhilation of " me " . Without " me " , all six enemies (anger,

jealousy, etc) have no footing.

- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.

- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.

- living in the present, Now and here.

- sense of Doership disappears

- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows to

the Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.

Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussion

is only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

- Words become Fewer

- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. Minimum

Discussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone's

Being ( SEE 1 Above ),

- and finally... drop all Knowledge

- longing for God is Existence Gift

- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to the

self , to

realise the Self. when it

arrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,

knows now , that he does not know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments

which is rare but is somewhere -Gita 7(19).

 

God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4

(11). My message is how can I think of God & remember God by true

sentiments so that i can get salvation at the end at least as per

Gita 8(5).

 

pawan kumar singhal

Ram Ram

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NEW POSTING

 

 

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!

In my understanding Bhakta can ask God " why He is delaying

salvation " or he may not even need to ask. God would know all true

Bhaktas' heartfelt desires for merging in Him.

What I mean is the when you are in love with God, unconditionally,

you wouldn't want to make loving Him as a means to the end

(salvation). Such love or remembering God constantly is in itself

the means and end, without duality even though on-lookers may feel

Bhagwaan and Bhakta as separate.

I consider salvation as Moksha or liberation from a false sense

of " me " , non existent ego and establishment in Atman our true Self.

Thus salvation is what we already are. If you remember Swamiji says

Paramatma is already attained, how can you attain that whihc is

attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what we are, not

we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, not

attaining.

In attaining anything there is duality of someone who attains and

something to be attained, not the case here in this Bhakti (loving

devotion).

Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa......Karishye tavachanam....

" I remember my true Self now Lord, will do what you say " .

One lives free of " me " as Sat-Chit-Ananda only.

In salavation no individual entity survives, it is living

impersonally, as Intelligence, Love, Peace, Steadfastness! Karmas

are done when needed without doer!

Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadhak,

I am remember the boon of Kunti in Mahabharat.She requested Lord

Krishna to keep them in poverty so that she can remember almighty

God.Still however we should keep that spirit and in spite of all

troubles and our condition we should never avoid offering prayers at

least or twice.We should learn as to hoe to prayer.Please refer to

my book on 'Prayers of all Religions of the world. This is what I

feel

Truly yours

 

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Sree Pratabji, Kindly bear with me for my mistake. Your goodness

said-- say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have

time to ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in

Salvation?. Baktha is in constant thought of GOD that is why he has

full time to ask

GOD why that HE is delaying salvation. Worldly man partly with God

has time to ask GOD for his desires to be fullfilled one after the

other until death. Such man Geetha has said Kamiyartha Baktha, whom

GOD gives him long rope fulfilling his desires one after other, GOD

hoping he will become Jignasu. That hope of GOD is benovolence. Once

again pardon me if I am wrong and enlighten me.

 

Salvation is that I thought is attained stage, not living in

salvation. Salvation is to be attained and not living in it. Means

trying for salvation. Once salvation is attained there is no

desires. You are very right Sir.

B.Sathyanarayan

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God is available only when we become His and remember His Glories

and His name many times continuously, then and then we will feel His

presence within your hearts. He will be seen but his presence will

be felt. This is how Mirabai, Narsinh Mehta and Chaitainya Maha

Prabhu realized God.

This is what I feel everyday while offering prayers

 

Truly yours

S S Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Sadak,

You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but in

Veerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR

problem ends.

B.Sathyanarayan

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Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explained

by Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh Kumar

Pawan Singhal

Ram Ram

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Dear Sadhaks ,

The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Path

of a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on two

different points of time , are given below. Both are related .

 

In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated as

follows :

 

1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never have

been ( and , can never be )otherwise .

 

2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answers

are available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); it

is ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be known

at a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available to

The Knower of the Self by Existence .

 

3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). It

is always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.

Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.

 

4.The sense of Doership disappears .

 

5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows to

the Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.

Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussion

is only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

 

6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (

Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power---

--not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......

to transform the seeker ).

 

7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, we

were already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( we

shall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is the

Test ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basic

principles shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remain

Blissful, and Peaceful .

 

8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , with

the intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . The

shortest Way.

No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition of

ones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),

respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .

 

9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way to

Light is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but your

willingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).

Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truth

of Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It is

already present in YOU, You are already That .

 

 

ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )

 

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For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union with

that great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :

 

1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on the

sacred Path of love and Light.

 

2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personal

experience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable

 

3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in that

experience.

 

4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where

˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Grace

and yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.

there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any more

running away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. Existences

Play , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part of

Existential Play and Doing

 

5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is the

Knowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strive

for Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜

Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (

devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scriptures

speak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seeking

heart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma

 

6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is to

judge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movement

of the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to

die to the self , to realise the Self.

 

the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when it

arrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,

knows now , that he does not know.

 

Narinder bhandari

 

AUM

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previous

post!

I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time to

ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?

 

I say this to emphasize " remembering God and not expecting

anything " , just unconditional love for God goes a long way.

No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilation

of " me " . Without " me " , all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) have

no footing. " me " is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!

Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinly

say they are, to pay our respect!

Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,

it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,

isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have different

approaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired by

such Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique in

their own way is the proof of different expressions of the same

truth.

Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Q: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for Attaining

Salvation?

 

Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not be

attained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are no

sentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.

Remembering The God is another myth.

 

Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!

Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-

present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataract

in terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude

(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of its

hinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignorance

and inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of the

ignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception and

experience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.

Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist for

their approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is so

strong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.

Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealed

here!

 

Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishads

make it very clear:

 

Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |

 

The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such as

listening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of the

self-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects as

well as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.

Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far as

there is insistence for seeing everything through the lens of

cognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what it

sees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmitted

may not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatial

boundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The image

sensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien to

each other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.

Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality is

futile in the first place.

 

But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest to

be attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort of

seeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is the

insistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. The

insistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.

The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever could

just escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fears

cocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one could

just drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for every

one!

 

Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanum

swaam ||

 

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … just

perceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which is

The You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at your

death, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT reveals

itself within and around.

 

Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:

 

Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?

Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.

Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?

Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||

 

I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannada

equivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefit

from,

 

Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?

Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.

Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?

Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.

 

Grossly, it means,

 

How can there be a sense of existence without something being

within?

The being within remains " as is " NOT seeking anything.

How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can ever

attain That?

Understand that you can attain the one within by just being within

seeking nothing.

 

Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strength

within to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality in

his revelation on " Bhagavattattva " (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):

 

1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop Antah

Karana (intrinsic awareness).

2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innate

awareness).

3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute

(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)

 

I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in this

regard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar he

generously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is being

currently circulated.

 

Respects.

 

Naga Narayana

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Hari Om

 

Pawanji ! You " become " of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practice

a wife " becomes " of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simple

heart: I am of the God, only God is mine.

 

Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The " karta "

(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have become

Godly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God is

that which " happens " effortlessly and which is not " done " .

 

Look at the status today. We " have to " think/remember about God,

while thinking/remembering about the world " happens automatically " .

 

Why? Because at " subtle ego level " we continue to be of world. Hence

thoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the world

only , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experience

problems in concentrating.

 

CHANGE YOUR EGO from " I am of world " to " I am of God " ! Thereupon

bhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will " have

to be done " !

 

As simple as that !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God so

that we can do many good things in life and we will be happy as

posting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.

I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life without

interruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.

I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the posting

of all sadhak

Ram Ram

 

pawan singhal

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

Pawanji, kindly post " sixteen powers by God " as separate question.

From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

 

Priy sadhak

In my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in every

little bit of action happening in & around U.

Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?

Like breathing.

Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.

Can U do all this?

Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our life

without interruption and without any noise. also without showing any

ehsan.

Doesnt it make u believe & love god?

If yes love more

if no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.

Sorry if I hurt U.

I didnt mean it.

thanx

Raja Gurdasani

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Dear Sadaks,

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.

Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress and

asked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songs

were Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6

enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was with

Sri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they were

highly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left an

atom of thought any part of their life that they are already in

salvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is not

tracable.

But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.

Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares for

food. Those great men we recognised them as " Chitta Braman " , (metaly

handicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes they

will be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.

 

B.Sathyanarayan

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Pawan Kumar ji,

I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.

Love is God.

God is Love.

Love all

Serve all.

See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.

Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who is

given this blessed Birth.

Think Good

See Good

Hear Good

Do Good.

 

Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , so

thank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIS

creation.

 

By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice is

with you but to do this you always need the blessings of that

Supreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path of

salvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIM

to decide.

 

It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.

 

One need to have a strong determination and go step by step and

drop by drop you can fill the ocean.

 

I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any way

With Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal Love

KAMLESH KUMAR

HELP EVER HURT NEVER

LOVE ALL SERVE ALL

HAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAY

 

Kamlesh Kumar

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Dear Sadhakas, namaste!

Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?

Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When " I " who

expect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to be

one and the same, salvation has happened.

In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,

duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desire

anything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,

Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of

desire!

when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, " I " also

end at the same time, not later!

See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!

Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

 

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Dear Sadak,

pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over and

if you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.

Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, " Aninya Chitayayome " , means

constant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Your

responsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HIS

responsibility takes over.

This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE will

liberate HIS baktha in same birth.

Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, making

garlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listening

scriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleep

and practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lighting

lamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walking

around HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri Krishanaya

Vasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In all

moments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan

 

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Dear Sadhak,

 

Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form of

human being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 million

different forms of births. If we know we will always remember Him

because we are obligated to Him

 

Secondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us some

sixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life and

we will be happy.

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

 

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We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritual

practices will definitely lead us in the right direction.

Hari Shanker Deo

 

 

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SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS

- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.

See God in All. God in you is the God in All.

Serve All.

Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.

Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing to

serve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice is

yours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.

- " Aninya Chitayayome " , means constant thought on ME, that soul I

(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha in

same birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.

- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'

- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!

- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,

experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living in

Salvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruption

and without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.

- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we are

eternally obligated to Bhagwaan

- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignorance

and inertia are removed.

- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not be

attained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannot

withold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional

reality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty in

realizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is the

insistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. The

insistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … just

perceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.

Remain " as is " NOT seeking anything. Simply be!

Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsic

awareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to

remain in The Tattva … The Absolute

- Become of " Paramatma " , then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'

has become of God. Our problem is that at " subtle ego level " we

continue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.

Change YOUR EGO from " I am of world " to " I am of God " !

- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditional

love for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead

to anhilation of " me " . Without " me " , all six enemies (anger,

jealousy, etc) have no footing.

- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.

- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.

- living in the present, Now and here.

- sense of Doership disappears

- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows to

the Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.

Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussion

is only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

- Words become Fewer

- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. Minimum

Discussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone's

Being ( SEE 1 Above ),

- and finally... drop all Knowledge

- longing for God is Existence Gift

- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to the

self , to

realise the Self. when it

arrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,

knows now , that he does not know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments

which is rare but is somewhere -Gita 7(19).

 

God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4

(11). My message is how can I think of God & remember God by true

sentiments so that i can get salvation at the end at least as per

Gita 8(5).

 

pawan kumar singhal

Ram Ram

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NEW POSTING

 

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Swamiji incessantly, relentlessly, persistently spoke about " Vasudeva Sarvam "

(All is God) in the final years in His mortal body. He repeated this many times

- PLEASE READ CAREFUL AND ACCEPT IMMEDIATELY! If there is no questions or

doubts, then PLEASE ACCEPT RIGHT NOW!

 

Swamiji said -

Whatever is perceived with mind, speech, sight and other senses is only God.

Accept this immediately. The active, inactive, conscious, matter, [born of egg,

sweat and sprouting from earth] - all are God and nothing else. Good or bad,

wicked or virtuous, all are God. There is nothing else besides God. He who

wishes to attain God should accept this fact. As Shri Jaydayalji Goyandka used

to say that " Whatever is seen is God's divine form and whatever is experienced

and activities undertaken is His divine play/pastime (lila).

 

If you are very serious about your question, if you believe in Gita 4:11 (that

however a devotee worships Me, so do I approach them) and have an ardent and

intense longing to find the answer to this question, it does not matter if it is

at the end of life or not, SIMPLY FROM NOW ONWARDS - EVERYTHING YOU SEE IS

BHAGWAAN'S SWAROOP (God's Divine Form) AND EVERYTHING YOU EXPERIENCE/DO IS HIS

LILA (Divine Play/Pastime).

 

Now if a devotee worship Bhagwaan in this manner, where can Bhagwaanji HIDE?

Tell me one place he will not be? Tell me how at the end of this life, end of

this human body, He will not be there as Yamdoot (God of Death)? Tell me where

you will need to go searching for this rare Devotee of God by true & heartfelt

sentiments? If your sentiments are true and heartfelt, can you not accept what

Gita says and what Swamiji says that Bhagwaan (Vasudeva) is everywhere, in

everything, in all that you see, think, feel, do, experience and more, because

there is only " Vasudeva " and this is clearly stated in the Gita 7:19 and through

out the Gita in Chapter 11 and more!

 

Do you have any further questions or doubts? Please bring them out!

 

Meera Das

Ram Ram

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Dear Sri Pawan kumar

 

I remember the words of a man who is an ardent devotee of Sri

Ramana. He used to say 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN

IF YOU DO NOT THINK OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE.

 

Please contemplate on that

 

vrsarma podury

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!

In my understanding Bhakta can ask God " why He is delaying

salvation " or he may not even need to ask. God would know all true

Bhaktas' heartfelt desires for merging in Him.

What I mean is the when you are in love with God, unconditionally,

you wouldn't want to make loving Him as a means to the end

(salvation). Such love or remembering God constantly is in itself

the means and end, without duality even though on-lookers may feel

Bhagwaan and Bhakta as separate.

I consider salvation as Moksha or liberation from a false sense

of " me " , non existent ego and establishment in Atman our true Self.

Thus salvation is what we already are. If you remember Swamiji says

Paramatma is already attained, how can you attain that whihc is

attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what we are, not

we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, not

attaining.

In attaining anything there is duality of someone who attains and

something to be attained, not the case here in this Bhakti (loving

devotion).

Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa......Karishye tavachanam....

" I remember my true Self now Lord, will do what you say " .

One lives free of " me " as Sat-Chit-Ananda only.

In salavation no individual entity survives, it is living

impersonally, as Intelligence, Love, Peace, Steadfastness! Karmas

are done when needed without doer!

Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadhak,

I am remember the boon of Kunti in Mahabharat.She requested Lord

Krishna to keep them in poverty so that she can remember almighty

God.Still however we should keep that spirit and in spite of all

troubles and our condition we should never avoid offering prayers at

least or twice.We should learn as to hoe to prayer.Please refer to

my book on 'Prayers of all Religions of the world. This is what I

feel

Truly yours

 

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Sree Pratabji, Kindly bear with me for my mistake. Your goodness

said-- say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have

time to ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in

Salvation?. Baktha is in constant thought of GOD that is why he has

full time to ask

GOD why that HE is delaying salvation. Worldly man partly with God

has time to ask GOD for his desires to be fullfilled one after the

other until death. Such man Geetha has said Kamiyartha Baktha, whom

GOD gives him long rope fulfilling his desires one after other, GOD

hoping he will become Jignasu. That hope of GOD is benovolence. Once

again pardon me if I am wrong and enlighten me.

 

Salvation is that I thought is attained stage, not living in

salvation. Salvation is to be attained and not living in it. Means

trying for salvation. Once salvation is attained there is no

desires. You are very right Sir.

B.Sathyanarayan

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God is available only when we become His and remember His Glories

and His name many times continuously, then and then we will feel His

presence within your hearts. He will be seen but his presence will

be felt. This is how Mirabai, Narsinh Mehta and Chaitainya Maha

Prabhu realized God.

This is what I feel everyday while offering prayers

 

Truly yours

S S Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Sadak,

You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but in

Veerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR

problem ends.

B.Sathyanarayan

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Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explained

by Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh Kumar

Pawan Singhal

Ram Ram

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Dear Sadhaks ,

The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Path

of a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on two

different points of time , are given below. Both are related .

 

In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated as

follows :

 

1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never have

been ( and , can never be )otherwise .

 

2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answers

are available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); it

is ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be known

at a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available to

The Knower of the Self by Existence .

 

3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). It

is always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.

Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.

 

4.The sense of Doership disappears .

 

5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows to

the Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.

Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussion

is only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

 

6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (

Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power---

--not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......

to transform the seeker ).

 

7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, we

were already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( we

shall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is the

Test ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basic

principles shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remain

Blissful, and Peaceful .

 

8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , with

the intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . The

shortest Way.

No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition of

ones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),

respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .

 

9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way to

Light is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but your

willingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).

Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truth

of Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It is

already present in YOU, You are already That .

 

 

ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )

 

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For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union with

that great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :

 

1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on the

sacred Path of love and Light.

 

2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personal

experience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable

 

3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in that

experience.

 

4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where

˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Grace

and yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.

there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any more

running away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. Existences

Play , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part of

Existential Play and Doing

 

5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is the

Knowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strive

for Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜

Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (

devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scriptures

speak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seeking

heart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma

 

6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is to

judge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movement

of the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to

die to the self , to realise the Self.

 

the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when it

arrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,

knows now , that he does not know.

 

Narinder bhandari

 

AUM

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previous

post!

I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time to

ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?

 

I say this to emphasize " remembering God and not expecting

anything " , just unconditional love for God goes a long way.

No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilation

of " me " . Without " me " , all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) have

no footing. " me " is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!

Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinly

say they are, to pay our respect!

Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,

it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,

isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have different

approaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired by

such Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique in

their own way is the proof of different expressions of the same

truth.

Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Q: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for Attaining

Salvation?

 

Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not be

attained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are no

sentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.

Remembering The God is another myth.

 

Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!

Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-

present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataract

in terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude

(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of its

hinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignorance

and inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of the

ignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception and

experience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.

Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist for

their approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is so

strong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.

Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealed

here!

 

Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishads

make it very clear:

 

Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |

 

The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such as

listening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of the

self-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects as

well as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.

Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far as

there is insistence for seeing everything through the lens of

cognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what it

sees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmitted

may not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatial

boundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The image

sensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien to

each other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.

Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality is

futile in the first place.

 

But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest to

be attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort of

seeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is the

insistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. The

insistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.

The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever could

just escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fears

cocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one could

just drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for every

one!

 

Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanum

swaam ||

 

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … just

perceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which is

The You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at your

death, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT reveals

itself within and around.

 

Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:

 

Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?

Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.

Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?

Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||

 

I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannada

equivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefit

from,

 

Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?

Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.

Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?

Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.

 

Grossly, it means,

 

How can there be a sense of existence without something being

within?

The being within remains " as is " NOT seeking anything.

How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can ever

attain That?

Understand that you can attain the one within by just being within

seeking nothing.

 

Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strength

within to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality in

his revelation on " Bhagavattattva " (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):

 

1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop Antah

Karana (intrinsic awareness).

2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innate

awareness).

3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute

(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)

 

I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in this

regard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar he

generously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is being

currently circulated.

 

Respects.

 

Naga Narayana

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Hari Om

 

Pawanji ! You " become " of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practice

a wife " becomes " of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simple

heart: I am of the God, only God is mine.

 

Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The " karta "

(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have become

Godly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God is

that which " happens " effortlessly and which is not " done " .

 

Look at the status today. We " have to " think/remember about God,

while thinking/remembering about the world " happens automatically " .

 

Why? Because at " subtle ego level " we continue to be of world. Hence

thoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the world

only , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experience

problems in concentrating.

 

CHANGE YOUR EGO from " I am of world " to " I am of God " ! Thereupon

bhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will " have

to be done " !

 

As simple as that !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God so

that we can do many good things in life and we will be happy as

posting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.

I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life without

interruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.

I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the posting

of all sadhak

Ram Ram

 

pawan singhal

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

Pawanji, kindly post " sixteen powers by God " as separate question.

From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

 

Priy sadhak

In my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in every

little bit of action happening in & around U.

Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?

Like breathing.

Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.

Can U do all this?

Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our life

without interruption and without any noise. also without showing any

ehsan.

Doesnt it make u believe & love god?

If yes love more

if no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.

Sorry if I hurt U.

I didnt mean it.

thanx

Raja Gurdasani

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Dear Sadaks,

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.

Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress and

asked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songs

were Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6

enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was with

Sri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they were

highly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left an

atom of thought any part of their life that they are already in

salvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is not

tracable.

But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.

Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares for

food. Those great men we recognised them as " Chitta Braman " , (metaly

handicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes they

will be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.

 

B.Sathyanarayan

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Pawan Kumar ji,

I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.

Love is God.

God is Love.

Love all

Serve all.

See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.

Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who is

given this blessed Birth.

Think Good

See Good

Hear Good

Do Good.

 

Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , so

thank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIS

creation.

 

By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice is

with you but to do this you always need the blessings of that

Supreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path of

salvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIM

to decide.

 

It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.

 

One need to have a strong determination and go step by step and

drop by drop you can fill the ocean.

 

I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any way

With Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal Love

KAMLESH KUMAR

HELP EVER HURT NEVER

LOVE ALL SERVE ALL

HAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAY

 

Kamlesh Kumar

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Dear Sadhakas, namaste!

Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?

Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When " I " who

expect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to be

one and the same, salvation has happened.

In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,

duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desire

anything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,

Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of

desire!

when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, " I " also

end at the same time, not later!

See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!

Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

 

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Dear Sadak,

pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over and

if you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.

Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, " Aninya Chitayayome " , means

constant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Your

responsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HIS

responsibility takes over.

This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE will

liberate HIS baktha in same birth.

Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, making

garlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listening

scriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleep

and practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lighting

lamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walking

around HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri Krishanaya

Vasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In all

moments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan

 

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Dear Sadhak,

 

Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form of

human being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 million

different forms of births. If we know we will always remember Him

because we are obligated to Him

 

Secondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us some

sixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life and

we will be happy.

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

 

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We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritual

practices will definitely lead us in the right direction.

Hari Shanker Deo

 

 

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SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS

- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.

See God in All. God in you is the God in All.

Serve All.

Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.

Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing to

serve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice is

yours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.

- " Aninya Chitayayome " , means constant thought on ME, that soul I

(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha in

same birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.

- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'

- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!

- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,

experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living in

Salvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruption

and without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.

- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we are

eternally obligated to Bhagwaan

- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignorance

and inertia are removed.

- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not be

attained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannot

withold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional

reality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty in

realizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is the

insistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. The

insistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … just

perceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.

Remain " as is " NOT seeking anything. Simply be!

Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsic

awareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to

remain in The Tattva … The Absolute

- Become of " Paramatma " , then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'

has become of God. Our problem is that at " subtle ego level " we

continue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.

Change YOUR EGO from " I am of world " to " I am of God " !

- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditional

love for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead

to anhilation of " me " . Without " me " , all six enemies (anger,

jealousy, etc) have no footing.

- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.

- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.

- living in the present, Now and here.

- sense of Doership disappears

- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows to

the Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.

Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussion

is only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

- Words become Fewer

- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. Minimum

Discussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone's

Being ( SEE 1 Above ),

- and finally... drop all Knowledge

- longing for God is Existence Gift

- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to the

self , to

realise the Self. when it

arrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,

knows now , that he does not know.

- 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINK

OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE

 

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I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments

which is rare but is somewhere -Gita 7(19).

 

God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4

(11). My message is how can I think of God & remember God by true

sentiments so that i can get salvation at the end at least as per

Gita 8(5).

 

pawan kumar singhal

Ram Ram

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NEW POSTING

 

Hari Om

 

Pawanji ! You have received sterling in sights in response to your

Qs, the last one from Mira Dassji. Truth and only truth is there in

her last message to you. If you just " accept " with a simple heart

what she has so eloquently recommended to you, your search gets over

effortlessly, then and there !! Where can Paramatma hide when you

start with goal of BG 7:19? Can ice hidden behind ice ever remain

hidden?

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Dear Sadhak,

Why think to achieve salvation at the " end " ? It cannot be a future

goal. It is HERE and NOW as stated by sadhak Narinderji.

Only effort needed is to be present Here and Now with a deep longing

to reach HIM. Now is the eternity zone. All spiritual practices like

breath control, name chanting, mala japa etc leads sadhak to remain

in present moment.

The whole world is nothing but an illusion, a web of our thinking

mind. When a sadhak practices living in here and now, he is out of

the grip of his thinking mind and all doing becomes happenings.

" Sarva Dharma Paritjya, mamekam sharanam vrij " Gitaji. when sadhak

surrender to Krishna, he accept every moment As IT IS and remains

submerged in the ocean of Love, Bliss and Peace.

with Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

 

 

Shri Hari

I am asking question due to my nature-Gita 5(14) & Gita 2(7) but

before Gita 18(73) & because I know the truth-everything belongs to

Bhagwan, the essence, I say this but I do not believe the truth, the

essence as i say in prayer written by Swami Shri Ramsukhdasji

Maharaj.

Meera Das & Pratap Bhatt has explained after Gita 18(73)

Ram Ram

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PRIOR POSTING

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Swamiji incessantly, relentlessly, persistently spoke

about " Vasudeva Sarvam "

(All is God) in the final years in His mortal body. He repeated this

many times

- PLEASE READ CAREFUL AND ACCEPT IMMEDIATELY! If there is no

questions or

doubts, then PLEASE ACCEPT RIGHT NOW!

 

Swamiji said -

Whatever is perceived with mind, speech, sight and other senses is

only God.

Accept this immediately. The active, inactive, conscious, matter,

[born of egg,

sweat and sprouting from earth] - all are God and nothing else. Good

or bad,

wicked or virtuous, all are God. There is nothing else besides God.

He who

wishes to attain God should accept this fact. As Shri Jaydayalji

Goyandka used

to say that " Whatever is seen is God's divine form and whatever is

experienced

and activities undertaken is His divine play/pastime (lila).

 

If you are very serious about your question, if you believe in Gita

4:11 (that

however a devotee worships Me, so do I approach them) and have an

ardent and

intense longing to find the answer to this question, it does not

matter if it is

at the end of life or not, SIMPLY FROM NOW ONWARDS - EVERYTHING YOU

SEE IS

BHAGWAAN'S SWAROOP (God's Divine Form) AND EVERYTHING YOU

EXPERIENCE/DO IS HIS

LILA (Divine Play/Pastime).

 

Now if a devotee worship Bhagwaan in this manner, where can

Bhagwaanji HIDE?

Tell me one place he will not be? Tell me how at the end of this

life, end of

this human body, He will not be there as Yamdoot (God of Death)?

Tell me where

you will need to go searching for this rare Devotee of God by true &

heartfelt

sentiments? If your sentiments are true and heartfelt, can you not

accept what

Gita says and what Swamiji says that Bhagwaan (Vasudeva) is

everywhere, in

everything, in all that you see, think, feel, do, experience and

more, because

there is only " Vasudeva " and this is clearly stated in the Gita 7:19

and through

out the Gita in Chapter 11 and more!

 

Do you have any further questions or doubts? Please bring them out!

 

Meera Das

Ram Ram

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Dear Sri Pawan kumar

 

I remember the words of a man who is an ardent devotee of Sri

Ramana. He used to say 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN

IF YOU DO NOT THINK OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE.

 

Please contemplate on that

 

vrsarma podury

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!

In my understanding Bhakta can ask God " why He is delaying

salvation " or he may not even need to ask. God would know all true

Bhaktas' heartfelt desires for merging in Him.

What I mean is the when you are in love with God, unconditionally,

you wouldn't want to make loving Him as a means to the end

(salvation). Such love or remembering God constantly is in itself

the means and end, without duality even though on-lookers may feel

Bhagwaan and Bhakta as separate.

I consider salvation as Moksha or liberation from a false sense

of " me " , non existent ego and establishment in Atman our true Self.

Thus salvation is what we already are. If you remember Swamiji says

Paramatma is already attained, how can you attain that whihc is

attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what we are, not

we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, not

attaining.

In attaining anything there is duality of someone who attains and

something to be attained, not the case here in this Bhakti (loving

devotion).

Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa......Karishye tavachanam....

" I remember my true Self now Lord, will do what you say " .

One lives free of " me " as Sat-Chit-Ananda only.

In salavation no individual entity survives, it is living

impersonally, as Intelligence, Love, Peace, Steadfastness! Karmas

are done when needed without doer!

Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadhak,

I am remember the boon of Kunti in Mahabharat.She requested Lord

Krishna to keep them in poverty so that she can remember almighty

God.Still however we should keep that spirit and in spite of all

troubles and our condition we should never avoid offering prayers at

least or twice.We should learn as to hoe to prayer.Please refer to

my book on 'Prayers of all Religions of the world. This is what I

feel

Truly yours

 

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Sree Pratabji, Kindly bear with me for my mistake. Your goodness

said-- say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have

time to ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in

Salvation?. Baktha is in constant thought of GOD that is why he has

full time to ask

GOD why that HE is delaying salvation. Worldly man partly with God

has time to ask GOD for his desires to be fullfilled one after the

other until death. Such man Geetha has said Kamiyartha Baktha, whom

GOD gives him long rope fulfilling his desires one after other, GOD

hoping he will become Jignasu. That hope of GOD is benovolence. Once

again pardon me if I am wrong and enlighten me.

 

Salvation is that I thought is attained stage, not living in

salvation. Salvation is to be attained and not living in it. Means

trying for salvation. Once salvation is attained there is no

desires. You are very right Sir.

B.Sathyanarayan

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God is available only when we become His and remember His Glories

and His name many times continuously, then and then we will feel His

presence within your hearts. He will be seen but his presence will

be felt. This is how Mirabai, Narsinh Mehta and Chaitainya Maha

Prabhu realized God.

This is what I feel everyday while offering prayers

 

Truly yours

S S Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Sadak,

You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but in

Veerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR

problem ends.

B.Sathyanarayan

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Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explained

by Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh Kumar

Pawan Singhal

Ram Ram

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Dear Sadhaks ,

The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Path

of a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on two

different points of time , are given below. Both are related .

 

In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated as

follows :

 

1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never have

been ( and , can never be )otherwise .

 

2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answers

are available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); it

is ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be known

at a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available to

The Knower of the Self by Existence .

 

3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). It

is always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.

Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.

 

4.The sense of Doership disappears .

 

5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows to

the Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.

Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussion

is only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

 

6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (

Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power---

--not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......

to transform the seeker ).

 

7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, we

were already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( we

shall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is the

Test ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basic

principles shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remain

Blissful, and Peaceful .

 

8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , with

the intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . The

shortest Way.

No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition of

ones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),

respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .

 

9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way to

Light is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but your

willingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).

Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truth

of Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It is

already present in YOU, You are already That .

 

 

ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )

 

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For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union with

that great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :

 

1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on the

sacred Path of love and Light.

 

2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personal

experience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable

 

3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in that

experience.

 

4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where

˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Grace

and yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.

there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any more

running away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. Existences

Play , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part of

Existential Play and Doing

 

5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is the

Knowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strive

for Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜

Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (

devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scriptures

speak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seeking

heart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma

 

6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is to

judge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movement

of the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to

die to the self , to realise the Self.

 

the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when it

arrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,

knows now , that he does not know.

 

Narinder bhandari

 

AUM

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previous

post!

I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time to

ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?

 

I say this to emphasize " remembering God and not expecting

anything " , just unconditional love for God goes a long way.

No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilation

of " me " . Without " me " , all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) have

no footing. " me " is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!

Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinly

say they are, to pay our respect!

Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,

it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,

isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have different

approaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired by

such Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique in

their own way is the proof of different expressions of the same

truth.

Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Q: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for Attaining

Salvation?

 

Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not be

attained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are no

sentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.

Remembering The God is another myth.

 

Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!

Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-

present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataract

in terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude

(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of its

hinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignorance

and inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of the

ignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception and

experience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.

Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist for

their approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is so

strong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.

Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealed

here!

 

Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishads

make it very clear:

 

Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |

 

The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such as

listening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of the

self-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects as

well as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.

Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far as

there is insistence for seeing everything through the lens of

cognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what it

sees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmitted

may not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatial

boundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The image

sensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien to

each other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.

Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality is

futile in the first place.

 

But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest to

be attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort of

seeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is the

insistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. The

insistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.

The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever could

just escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fears

cocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one could

just drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for every

one!

 

Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanum

swaam ||

 

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … just

perceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which is

The You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at your

death, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT reveals

itself within and around.

 

Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:

 

Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?

Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.

Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?

Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||

 

I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannada

equivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefit

from,

 

Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?

Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.

Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?

Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.

 

Grossly, it means,

 

How can there be a sense of existence without something being

within?

The being within remains " as is " NOT seeking anything.

How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can ever

attain That?

Understand that you can attain the one within by just being within

seeking nothing.

 

Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strength

within to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality in

his revelation on " Bhagavattattva " (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):

 

1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop Antah

Karana (intrinsic awareness).

2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innate

awareness).

3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute

(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)

 

I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in this

regard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar he

generously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is being

currently circulated.

 

Respects.

 

Naga Narayana

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Hari Om

 

Pawanji ! You " become " of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practice

a wife " becomes " of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simple

heart: I am of the God, only God is mine.

 

Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The " karta "

(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have become

Godly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God is

that which " happens " effortlessly and which is not " done " .

 

Look at the status today. We " have to " think/remember about God,

while thinking/remembering about the world " happens automatically " .

 

Why? Because at " subtle ego level " we continue to be of world. Hence

thoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the world

only , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experience

problems in concentrating.

 

CHANGE YOUR EGO from " I am of world " to " I am of God " ! Thereupon

bhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will " have

to be done " !

 

As simple as that !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God so

that we can do many good things in life and we will be happy as

posting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.

I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life without

interruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.

I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the posting

of all sadhak

Ram Ram

 

pawan singhal

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

Pawanji, kindly post " sixteen powers by God " as separate question.

From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

 

Priy sadhak

In my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in every

little bit of action happening in & around U.

Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?

Like breathing.

Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.

Can U do all this?

Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our life

without interruption and without any noise. also without showing any

ehsan.

Doesnt it make u believe & love god?

If yes love more

if no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.

Sorry if I hurt U.

I didnt mean it.

thanx

Raja Gurdasani

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Dear Sadaks,

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.

Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress and

asked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songs

were Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6

enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was with

Sri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they were

highly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left an

atom of thought any part of their life that they are already in

salvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is not

tracable.

But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.

Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares for

food. Those great men we recognised them as " Chitta Braman " , (metaly

handicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes they

will be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.

 

B.Sathyanarayan

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Pawan Kumar ji,

I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.

Love is God.

God is Love.

Love all

Serve all.

See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.

Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who is

given this blessed Birth.

Think Good

See Good

Hear Good

Do Good.

 

Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , so

thank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIS

creation.

 

By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice is

with you but to do this you always need the blessings of that

Supreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path of

salvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIM

to decide.

 

It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.

 

One need to have a strong determination and go step by step and

drop by drop you can fill the ocean.

 

I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any way

With Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal Love

KAMLESH KUMAR

HELP EVER HURT NEVER

LOVE ALL SERVE ALL

HAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAY

 

Kamlesh Kumar

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Dear Sadhakas, namaste!

Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?

Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When " I " who

expect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to be

one and the same, salvation has happened.

In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,

duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desire

anything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,

Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of

desire!

when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, " I " also

end at the same time, not later!

See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!

Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

 

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Dear Sadak,

pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over and

if you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.

Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, " Aninya Chitayayome " , means

constant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Your

responsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HIS

responsibility takes over.

This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE will

liberate HIS baktha in same birth.

Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, making

garlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listening

scriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleep

and practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lighting

lamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walking

around HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri Krishanaya

Vasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In all

moments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan

 

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Dear Sadhak,

 

Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form of

human being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 million

different forms of births. If we know we will always remember Him

because we are obligated to Him

 

Secondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us some

sixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life and

we will be happy.

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

 

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We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritual

practices will definitely lead us in the right direction.

Hari Shanker Deo

 

 

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SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS

- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.

See God in All. God in you is the God in All.

Serve All.

Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.

Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing to

serve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice is

yours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.

- " Aninya Chitayayome " , means constant thought on ME, that soul I

(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha in

same birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.

- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'

- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!

- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,

experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living in

Salvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruption

and without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.

- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we are

eternally obligated to Bhagwaan

- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignorance

and inertia are removed.

- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not be

attained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannot

withold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional

reality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty in

realizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is the

insistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. The

insistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … just

perceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.

Remain " as is " NOT seeking anything. Simply be!

Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsic

awareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to

remain in The Tattva … The Absolute

- Become of " Paramatma " , then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'

has become of God. Our problem is that at " subtle ego level " we

continue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.

Change YOUR EGO from " I am of world " to " I am of God " !

- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditional

love for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead

to anhilation of " me " . Without " me " , all six enemies (anger,

jealousy, etc) have no footing.

- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.

- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.

- living in the present, Now and here.

- sense of Doership disappears

- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows to

the Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.

Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussion

is only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

- Words become Fewer

- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. Minimum

Discussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone's

Being ( SEE 1 Above ),

- and finally... drop all Knowledge

- longing for God is Existence Gift

- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to the

self , to

realise the Self. when it

arrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,

knows now , that he does not know.

- 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINK

OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE

 

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I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments

which is rare but is somewhere -Gita 7(19).

 

God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4

(11). My message is how can I think of God & remember God by true

sentiments so that i can get salvation at the end at least as per

Gita 8(5).

 

pawan kumar singhal

Ram Ram

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NEW POSTING

 

Shree Hari

I accept Gita 7(19) that God is everywhere and in everything but I

can not realise God due to lack of understanding of Gita 18(48) &

false asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things that

come & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti).

I am trying to make relationship with self but in vain. Other way is

only to meet the devotee of God in physical form as guided in Gita 4

(34). I realise swamiji as Giani -Gita 4(34) & take benefit till

association with Him. Now I am trying those benefit through gita-

talk grooup that is insant satsang. I have already requested to

sadhakas of this group but in vain.

I believe in association of great soul in physical form to get

spiritual guidance as I feel with Swamiji at Rishikesh & Kolkatta.

Please assist me to meet divine sadhaka & other realised great

soul/Giani/devotee of God

 

pawan singhal

Ram Ram

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Dear Pawanji, Swamiji has said that such experience of the presence

of God, the rememberance of God, your Beloved One by true sentiments, is only

possible by one's own Self. Not by mind/ intellect and not by trying to

remember. It is only when this longing is by the Self, that it happens on it's

own simply, naturally, and involuntarily (Swabhavik). Swamiji says this is so

innate that it happens even in one's sleep. Rather it happens naturally all the

time. Intense attachment and longing for God - round the clock. It is not about

" doing " but simply " being " . It simply and naturally " IS " . Absolutely nothing

has to be done to remember our Beloved One.

 

Just like when our Beloved is going to arrive by train, and we have

not seen him for a long time and we are waiting at the railway

station for Him, and we feel the anxiety, the longing - When will my

Beloved come? When will I see Him? How much longer will it be before

our eyes meet? This anticipation, this longing is so intense that

one simply cannot wait even a moment. It is consuming ! Just that

one thought.. when will I see my Beloved!

 

Just like when we are intensely thirsty and are consumed with the thought of a

sip of water. Do you have such enthusiasm? Such drive? Such Zeal? Such

Intensity? Such Sentiments to meet Your Beloved One, God? - asks Swamiji

 

Meera Das

Ram Ram

 

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Krishna and His song

 

 

The Heart,

 

In longing pain

 

Cries out

 

Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!

 

The Soul rejoices.

 

 

 

The Mind

 

In love's ecstasy

 

Bows at the feet of the Beloved

 

The Soul rejoices.

 

 

 

And Krishna smiles,

 

The flute rising to his lips.

 

Ah! The symphony of the soundless sound,

 

Where

 

The seven disappear into the Light of lights

 

Where

 

Time disappears into Timelessness

 

 

 

And

 

The Heart,

 

In longing's pain

 

Keeps Crying out

 

Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!

 

And

 

Thence comes the Lords song of songs

 

The Bhagavad geetha, ah !

 

To assuage the hearts pain

 

And, the Minds thirst for Knowledge, and Light

 

aum

 

narinder bhandari

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Hari Om

 

Pawanji ! You have received sterling in sights in response to your

Qs, the last one from Mira Dassji. Truth and only truth is there in

her last message to you. If you just " accept " with a simple heart

what she has so eloquently recommended to you, your search gets over

effortlessly, then and there !! Where can Paramatma hide when you

start with goal of BG 7:19? Can ice hidden behind ice ever remain

hidden?

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Dear Sadhak,

Why think to achieve salvation at the " end " ? It cannot be a future

goal. It is HERE and NOW as stated by sadhak Narinderji.

Only effort needed is to be present Here and Now with a deep longing

to reach HIM. Now is the eternity zone. All spiritual practices like

breath control, name chanting, mala japa etc leads sadhak to remain

in present moment.

The whole world is nothing but an illusion, a web of our thinking

mind. When a sadhak practices living in here and now, he is out of

the grip of his thinking mind and all doing becomes happenings.

" Sarva Dharma Paritjya, mamekam sharanam vrij " Gitaji. when sadhak

surrender to Krishna, he accept every moment As IT IS and remains

submerged in the ocean of Love, Bliss and Peace.

with Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

 

 

Shri Hari

I am asking question due to my nature-Gita 5(14) & Gita 2(7) but

before Gita 18(73) & because I know the truth-everything belongs to

Bhagwan, the essence, I say this but I do not believe the truth, the

essence as i say in prayer written by Swami Shri Ramsukhdasji

Maharaj.

Meera Das & Pratap Bhatt has explained after Gita 18(73)

Ram Ram

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PRIOR POSTING

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Swamiji incessantly, relentlessly, persistently spoke

about " Vasudeva Sarvam "

(All is God) in the final years in His mortal body. He repeated this

many times

- PLEASE READ CAREFUL AND ACCEPT IMMEDIATELY! If there is no

questions or

doubts, then PLEASE ACCEPT RIGHT NOW!

 

Swamiji said -

Whatever is perceived with mind, speech, sight and other senses is

only God.

Accept this immediately. The active, inactive, conscious, matter,

[born of egg,

sweat and sprouting from earth] - all are God and nothing else. Good

or bad,

wicked or virtuous, all are God. There is nothing else besides God.

He who

wishes to attain God should accept this fact. As Shri Jaydayalji

Goyandka used

to say that " Whatever is seen is God's divine form and whatever is

experienced

and activities undertaken is His divine play/pastime (lila).

 

If you are very serious about your question, if you believe in Gita

4:11 (that

however a devotee worships Me, so do I approach them) and have an

ardent and

intense longing to find the answer to this question, it does not

matter if it is

at the end of life or not, SIMPLY FROM NOW ONWARDS - EVERYTHING YOU

SEE IS

BHAGWAAN'S SWAROOP (God's Divine Form) AND EVERYTHING YOU

EXPERIENCE/DO IS HIS

LILA (Divine Play/Pastime).

 

Now if a devotee worship Bhagwaan in this manner, where can

Bhagwaanji HIDE?

Tell me one place he will not be? Tell me how at the end of this

life, end of

this human body, He will not be there as Yamdoot (God of Death)?

Tell me where

you will need to go searching for this rare Devotee of God by true &

heartfelt

sentiments? If your sentiments are true and heartfelt, can you not

accept what

Gita says and what Swamiji says that Bhagwaan (Vasudeva) is

everywhere, in

everything, in all that you see, think, feel, do, experience and

more, because

there is only " Vasudeva " and this is clearly stated in the Gita 7:19

and through

out the Gita in Chapter 11 and more!

 

Do you have any further questions or doubts? Please bring them out!

 

Meera Das

Ram Ram

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Dear Sri Pawan kumar

 

I remember the words of a man who is an ardent devotee of Sri

Ramana. He used to say 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN

IF YOU DO NOT THINK OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE.

 

Please contemplate on that

 

vrsarma podury

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!

In my understanding Bhakta can ask God " why He is delaying

salvation " or he may not even need to ask. God would know all true

Bhaktas' heartfelt desires for merging in Him.

What I mean is the when you are in love with God, unconditionally,

you wouldn't want to make loving Him as a means to the end

(salvation). Such love or remembering God constantly is in itself

the means and end, without duality even though on-lookers may feel

Bhagwaan and Bhakta as separate.

I consider salvation as Moksha or liberation from a false sense

of " me " , non existent ego and establishment in Atman our true Self.

Thus salvation is what we already are. If you remember Swamiji says

Paramatma is already attained, how can you attain that whihc is

attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what we are, not

we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, not

attaining.

In attaining anything there is duality of someone who attains and

something to be attained, not the case here in this Bhakti (loving

devotion).

Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa......Karishye tavachanam....

" I remember my true Self now Lord, will do what you say " .

One lives free of " me " as Sat-Chit-Ananda only.

In salavation no individual entity survives, it is living

impersonally, as Intelligence, Love, Peace, Steadfastness! Karmas

are done when needed without doer!

Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadhak,

I am remember the boon of Kunti in Mahabharat.She requested Lord

Krishna to keep them in poverty so that she can remember almighty

God.Still however we should keep that spirit and in spite of all

troubles and our condition we should never avoid offering prayers at

least or twice.We should learn as to hoe to prayer.Please refer to

my book on 'Prayers of all Religions of the world. This is what I

feel

Truly yours

 

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Sree Pratabji, Kindly bear with me for my mistake. Your goodness

said-- say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have

time to ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in

Salvation?. Baktha is in constant thought of GOD that is why he has

full time to ask

GOD why that HE is delaying salvation. Worldly man partly with God

has time to ask GOD for his desires to be fullfilled one after the

other until death. Such man Geetha has said Kamiyartha Baktha, whom

GOD gives him long rope fulfilling his desires one after other, GOD

hoping he will become Jignasu. That hope of GOD is benovolence. Once

again pardon me if I am wrong and enlighten me.

 

Salvation is that I thought is attained stage, not living in

salvation. Salvation is to be attained and not living in it. Means

trying for salvation. Once salvation is attained there is no

desires. You are very right Sir.

B.Sathyanarayan

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God is available only when we become His and remember His Glories

and His name many times continuously, then and then we will feel His

presence within your hearts. He will be seen but his presence will

be felt. This is how Mirabai, Narsinh Mehta and Chaitainya Maha

Prabhu realized God.

This is what I feel everyday while offering prayers

 

Truly yours

S S Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Sadak,

You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but in

Veerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR

problem ends.

B.Sathyanarayan

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Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explained

by Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh Kumar

Pawan Singhal

Ram Ram

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Dear Sadhaks ,

The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Path

of a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on two

different points of time , are given below. Both are related .

 

In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated as

follows :

 

1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never have

been ( and , can never be )otherwise .

 

2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answers

are available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); it

is ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be known

at a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available to

The Knower of the Self by Existence .

 

3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). It

is always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.

Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.

 

4.The sense of Doership disappears .

 

5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows to

the Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.

Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussion

is only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

 

6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (

Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power---

--not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......

to transform the seeker ).

 

7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, we

were already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( we

shall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is the

Test ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basic

principles shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remain

Blissful, and Peaceful .

 

8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , with

the intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . The

shortest Way.

No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition of

ones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),

respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .

 

9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way to

Light is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but your

willingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).

Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truth

of Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It is

already present in YOU, You are already That .

 

 

ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )

 

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For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union with

that great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :

 

1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on the

sacred Path of love and Light.

 

2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personal

experience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable

 

3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in that

experience.

 

4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where

˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Grace

and yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.

there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any more

running away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. Existences

Play , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part of

Existential Play and Doing

 

5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is the

Knowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strive

for Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜

Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (

devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scriptures

speak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seeking

heart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma

 

6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is to

judge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movement

of the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to

die to the self , to realise the Self.

 

the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when it

arrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,

knows now , that he does not know.

 

Narinder bhandari

 

AUM

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previous

post!

I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time to

ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?

 

I say this to emphasize " remembering God and not expecting

anything " , just unconditional love for God goes a long way.

No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilation

of " me " . Without " me " , all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) have

no footing. " me " is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!

Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinly

say they are, to pay our respect!

Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,

it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,

isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have different

approaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired by

such Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique in

their own way is the proof of different expressions of the same

truth.

Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Q: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for Attaining

Salvation?

 

Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not be

attained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are no

sentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.

Remembering The God is another myth.

 

Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!

Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-

present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataract

in terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude

(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of its

hinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignorance

and inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of the

ignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception and

experience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.

Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist for

their approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is so

strong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.

Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealed

here!

 

Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishads

make it very clear:

 

Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |

 

The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such as

listening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of the

self-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects as

well as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.

Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far as

there is insistence for seeing everything through the lens of

cognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what it

sees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmitted

may not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatial

boundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The image

sensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien to

each other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.

Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality is

futile in the first place.

 

But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest to

be attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort of

seeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is the

insistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. The

insistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.

The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever could

just escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fears

cocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one could

just drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for every

one!

 

Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanum

swaam ||

 

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … just

perceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which is

The You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at your

death, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT reveals

itself within and around.

 

Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:

 

Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?

Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.

Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?

Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||

 

I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannada

equivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefit

from,

 

Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?

Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.

Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?

Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.

 

Grossly, it means,

 

How can there be a sense of existence without something being

within?

The being within remains " as is " NOT seeking anything.

How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can ever

attain That?

Understand that you can attain the one within by just being within

seeking nothing.

 

Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strength

within to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality in

his revelation on " Bhagavattattva " (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):

 

1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop Antah

Karana (intrinsic awareness).

2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innate

awareness).

3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute

(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)

 

I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in this

regard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar he

generously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is being

currently circulated.

 

Respects.

 

Naga Narayana

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Hari Om

 

Pawanji ! You " become " of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practice

a wife " becomes " of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simple

heart: I am of the God, only God is mine.

 

Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The " karta "

(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have become

Godly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God is

that which " happens " effortlessly and which is not " done " .

 

Look at the status today. We " have to " think/remember about God,

while thinking/remembering about the world " happens automatically " .

 

Why? Because at " subtle ego level " we continue to be of world. Hence

thoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the world

only , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experience

problems in concentrating.

 

CHANGE YOUR EGO from " I am of world " to " I am of God " ! Thereupon

bhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will " have

to be done " !

 

As simple as that !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God so

that we can do many good things in life and we will be happy as

posting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.

I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life without

interruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.

I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the posting

of all sadhak

Ram Ram

 

pawan singhal

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

Pawanji, kindly post " sixteen powers by God " as separate question.

From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

 

Priy sadhak

In my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in every

little bit of action happening in & around U.

Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?

Like breathing.

Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.

Can U do all this?

Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our life

without interruption and without any noise. also without showing any

ehsan.

Doesnt it make u believe & love god?

If yes love more

if no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.

Sorry if I hurt U.

I didnt mean it.

thanx

Raja Gurdasani

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Dear Sadaks,

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.

Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress and

asked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songs

were Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6

enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was with

Sri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they were

highly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left an

atom of thought any part of their life that they are already in

salvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is not

tracable.

But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.

Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares for

food. Those great men we recognised them as " Chitta Braman " , (metaly

handicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes they

will be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.

 

B.Sathyanarayan

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Pawan Kumar ji,

I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.

Love is God.

God is Love.

Love all

Serve all.

See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.

Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who is

given this blessed Birth.

Think Good

See Good

Hear Good

Do Good.

 

Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , so

thank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIS

creation.

 

By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice is

with you but to do this you always need the blessings of that

Supreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path of

salvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIM

to decide.

 

It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.

 

One need to have a strong determination and go step by step and

drop by drop you can fill the ocean.

 

I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any way

With Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal Love

KAMLESH KUMAR

HELP EVER HURT NEVER

LOVE ALL SERVE ALL

HAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAY

 

Kamlesh Kumar

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Dear Sadhakas, namaste!

Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?

Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When " I " who

expect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to be

one and the same, salvation has happened.

In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,

duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desire

anything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,

Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of

desire!

when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, " I " also

end at the same time, not later!

See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!

Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

 

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Dear Sadak,

pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over and

if you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.

Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, " Aninya Chitayayome " , means

constant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Your

responsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HIS

responsibility takes over.

This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE will

liberate HIS baktha in same birth.

Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, making

garlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listening

scriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleep

and practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lighting

lamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walking

around HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri Krishanaya

Vasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In all

moments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan

 

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Dear Sadhak,

 

Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form of

human being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 million

different forms of births. If we know we will always remember Him

because we are obligated to Him

 

Secondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us some

sixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life and

we will be happy.

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

 

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We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritual

practices will definitely lead us in the right direction.

Hari Shanker Deo

 

 

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SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS

- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.

See God in All. God in you is the God in All.

Serve All.

Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.

Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing to

serve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice is

yours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.

- " Aninya Chitayayome " , means constant thought on ME, that soul I

(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha in

same birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.

- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'

- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!

- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,

experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living in

Salvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruption

and without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.

- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we are

eternally obligated to Bhagwaan

- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignorance

and inertia are removed.

- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not be

attained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannot

withold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional

reality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty in

realizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is the

insistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. The

insistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … just

perceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.

Remain " as is " NOT seeking anything. Simply be!

Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsic

awareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to

remain in The Tattva … The Absolute

- Become of " Paramatma " , then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'

has become of God. Our problem is that at " subtle ego level " we

continue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.

Change YOUR EGO from " I am of world " to " I am of God " !

- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditional

love for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead

to anhilation of " me " . Without " me " , all six enemies (anger,

jealousy, etc) have no footing.

- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.

- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.

- living in the present, Now and here.

- sense of Doership disappears

- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows to

the Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.

Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussion

is only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

- Words become Fewer

- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. Minimum

Discussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone's

Being ( SEE 1 Above ),

- and finally... drop all Knowledge

- longing for God is Existence Gift

- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to the

self , to

realise the Self. when it

arrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,

knows now , that he does not know.

- 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINK

OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE

 

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I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments

which is rare but is somewhere -Gita 7(19).

 

God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4

(11). My message is how can I think of God & remember God by true

sentiments so that i can get salvation at the end at least as per

Gita 8(5).

 

pawan kumar singhal

Ram Ram

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NEW POSTING

 

Shree Hari

I accept Gita 7(19) that God is everywhere and in everything but I

can not realise God due to lack of understanding of Gita 18(48) &

false asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things that

come & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti).

I am trying to make relationship with self but in vain. Other way is

only to meet the devotee of God in physical form as guided in Gita 4

(34). I realise swamiji as Giani -Gita 4(34) & take benefit till

association with Him. Now I am trying those benefit through gita-

talk group that is insant satsang. I have already requested to

sadhakas of this group but in vain.

I believe in association of great soul in physical form to get

spiritual guidance as I feel with Swamiji at Rishikesh & Kolkatta.

Please assist me to meet divine sadhaka & other realised great

soul/Giani/devotee of God

 

pawan singhal

Ram Ram

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NEW POSTING

 

Shri Hari

Longing is by the Self is answer of my question as explained by

Meera Das. I request to Sh. Meera Das & all sadhaks please explain

How it will happen? I can only pray to God. I am helpless.

Ram Ram

pawan singhal

 

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Here are simple, clear and very easy words spoken in Hindi by

Swamiji -

 

" Sabse pehle sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hoon. Ek baar saral

hriday se dridhta poorvak sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hi

hoon. Jab aap bhagwaan ke ho to aapko unki smriti ke liye kuch karna

hi nahin padega. Aapki har kriya unki pooja hogi. "

 

Meager attempt at translating these simple words -

 

" First of all, accept that I am Bhagwaan's (I belong to God). Just

once, with a simple, straight forward heart, accept with a firm

conviction, that I am only Bhagwaan's (I belong to only God). When

you become Bhagwaan's then you will have to do absolutely nothing

for His rememberance. All your activities will become His worship. "

 

Now the Panchamrit (Five Golden Principles) just happens on it's

own -

1) I am only God's

2) I reside in His kingdom only

3) I do His work (good and auspicious) only

4) I receive only His prasad (blessing/offering)

5) With the prasad received from Him, I serve only His family.

 

Now what will cause you to forgot Bhagwaan (God)? When you become

someone's do you have to remember you belong to them? Do you have

to recite at night I belong to Him, I belong to Him, I belong to

Him? Do you have to study to remind yourself, since I belong to my

Beloved, I must cook and do other work for Him? Do you have to

remind yourself that since I belong to Him, I must take care of His

children? and so on?

 

Become Bhagwaan's (God's) ONLY ONCE !!!! .... says Swamiji... Magic

follows... undoubtedly.

 

Meera Das

Ram Ram

 

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In India we are lucky to have amongst us God realised souls who are

showing others the path to salvation. These gurus by shunning

worldly comforts and possessions are showing us the way. Once we

realise that every thing that we see is maya or illusion and that

the only truth is the Soul or Atma within each of us whose only goal

is to unite with the Parmatma, we can attain salvation. What we are

today is the result of our past karmas but we can control what we

will become through through the result of our present karmas. So if

we follow the right path of sewa or helping others, satsang or

seeking the company of good people, sadhna or spiritual practices

and dhyan or meditation to connect with our Soul then we will be on

the right path.

Hari Shanker Deo

--------------------------

 

Thank You Narinder Bhandariji. I bow to YOU and The Krishna

rejoicing your Rejoice.

 

Respects.

 

Naga Narayana

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Dear Sadaks,

One says Salvation/Mukthi is always there. Another point said that

you that Sat Chit and Anandham. Then why one has to suffer? Because

reason

 

1) One knows not to tell lies, but says- Mind level.

2) One knows drinking alcohol is wrong, but drinks -Body level.

3) One knows that he has to Sadhana, but does not do, intellect

level.

 

These 3 are called Trikarna Sudhi (Clealiness of body mind and

intellect) How to achieve it? By guidance - God/Guru. Salvation

Mukthi is there, but one is not living in it as the qualities are

not there. A person with eye sight is unable to read. But then he

needs spectacles. So the body, mind and intellect is not in form, it

is spoilt. He needs Gyan (Spectacle) to see within (Athuman) his

swaroop.

He gets from Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh. Until then he does not

realize that he is easily reachable to God/Salvation/Mukthi. That is

why without Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh he undergoes birth after

birth. The man who obtained Gyan knows preyty well that his Swaroop

is itself divine and because of curtain of Maya he lost valuable

life time.

What is wrong in learning from the saint's teachings? In fact their

teaching are there for one to follow. Otherwise those histories

could not have been written. In fact it is easy to follow a saint

path to reach God faster. Saints showed easy methods that could make

one realize.

There were so many disciples who followed the instructions of their

Guru and obtained Mukthi. Example: Sant Ekanath. In Kaliyug it is

difficult for man to read scriptures/Sanskrit Etc and then know the

path. In Srimath Bagavath says in Kaliyug Namasankeerthan is enough

to get liberated. Each yuga Dharma is there in Scripts. If someone

tells me easy and quick and fast way to reach Badrinath, what is

wrong in following his advise. So are Bakthas who guides us. Just by

presenting a flower Mala daily with faith and love to God a saint

(Vishnu Chithar) says it will pave path to Vaikunt. It seems easy

but if one tries that somewhere or other he fails in timely pooja or

loose a day without, or gets stuck to some business or occupied in a

family function Etc. So sincerity, faith, love towards God setting

aside even a great need of family produces realization. Sadaks, many

of us go temple say certain day Friday/Saterday. How punctual are we?

 

Hiranyakasipu and Prahald had argument where is GOD. Prahald said HE

is everywhere. His father asked is HE in this pillar. Prahalad

says, " Drusyate " (Yes I see God). His father says " Nah Durshyate " (I

can not see HIM). Why? One has Gyan the other has Agyan. Though

Paramathuma there , one could see and other could not see. Most of

us are still in Agyan. Here Guru was Prahalad who showed GOd and

Hiranyakasipu obtained Mukthi.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

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PRIOR POSTING

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Dear Pawanji, Swamiji has said that such experience of the presence

of God, the rememberance of God, your Beloved One by true

sentiments, is only possible by one's own Self. Not by mind/

intellect and not by trying to remember. It is only when this

longing is by the Self, that it happens on it's own simply,

naturally, and involuntarily (Swabhavik). Swamiji says this is so

innate that it happens even in one's sleep. Rather it happens

naturally all the time. Intense attachment and longing for God -

round the clock. It is not about " doing " but simply " being " . It

simply and naturally " IS " . Absolutely nothing has to be done to

remember our Beloved One.

 

Just like when our Beloved is going to arrive by train, and we have

not seen him for a long time and we are waiting at the railway

station for Him, and we feel the anxiety, the longing - When will my

Beloved come? When will I see Him? How much longer will it be before

our eyes meet? This anticipation, this longing is so intense that

one simply cannot wait even a moment. It is consuming ! Just that

one thought.. when will I see my Beloved!

 

Just like when we are intensely thirsty and are consumed with the

thought of a sip of water. Do you have such enthusiasm? Such drive?

Such Zeal? Such Intensity? Such Sentiments to meet Your Beloved One,

God? - asks Swamiji

 

Meera Das

Ram Ram

 

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Krishna and His song

 

 

The Heart,

 

In longing pain

 

Cries out

 

Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!

 

The Soul rejoices.

 

 

 

The Mind

 

In love's ecstasy

 

Bows at the feet of the Beloved

 

The Soul rejoices.

 

 

 

And Krishna smiles,

 

The flute rising to his lips.

 

Ah! The symphony of the soundless sound,

 

Where

 

The seven disappear into the Light of lights

 

Where

 

Time disappears into Timelessness

 

 

 

And

 

The Heart,

 

In longing's pain

 

Keeps Crying out

 

Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!

 

And

 

Thence comes the Lords song of songs

 

The Bhagavad geetha, ah !

 

To assuage the hearts pain

 

And, the Minds thirst for Knowledge, and Light

 

aum

 

narinder bhandari

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Hari Om

 

Pawanji ! You have received sterling in sights in response to your

Qs, the last one from Mira Dassji. Truth and only truth is there in

her last message to you. If you just " accept " with a simple heart

what she has so eloquently recommended to you, your search gets over

effortlessly, then and there !! Where can Paramatma hide when you

start with goal of BG 7:19? Can ice hidden behind ice ever remain

hidden?

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Dear Sadhak,

Why think to achieve salvation at the " end " ? It cannot be a future

goal. It is HERE and NOW as stated by sadhak Narinderji.

Only effort needed is to be present Here and Now with a deep longing

to reach HIM. Now is the eternity zone. All spiritual practices like

breath control, name chanting, mala japa etc leads sadhak to remain

in present moment.

The whole world is nothing but an illusion, a web of our thinking

mind. When a sadhak practices living in here and now, he is out of

the grip of his thinking mind and all doing becomes happenings.

" Sarva Dharma Paritjya, mamekam sharanam vrij " Gitaji. when sadhak

surrender to Krishna, he accept every moment As IT IS and remains

submerged in the ocean of Love, Bliss and Peace.

with Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

 

 

Shri Hari

I am asking question due to my nature-Gita 5(14) & Gita 2(7) but

before Gita 18(73) & because I know the truth-everything belongs to

Bhagwan, the essence, I say this but I do not believe the truth, the

essence as i say in prayer written by Swami Shri Ramsukhdasji

Maharaj.

Meera Das & Pratap Bhatt has explained after Gita 18(73)

Ram Ram

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PRIOR POSTING

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Swamiji incessantly, relentlessly, persistently spoke

about " Vasudeva Sarvam "

(All is God) in the final years in His mortal body. He repeated this

many times

- PLEASE READ CAREFUL AND ACCEPT IMMEDIATELY! If there is no

questions or

doubts, then PLEASE ACCEPT RIGHT NOW!

 

Swamiji said -

Whatever is perceived with mind, speech, sight and other senses is

only God.

Accept this immediately. The active, inactive, conscious, matter,

[born of egg,

sweat and sprouting from earth] - all are God and nothing else. Good

or bad,

wicked or virtuous, all are God. There is nothing else besides God.

He who

wishes to attain God should accept this fact. As Shri Jaydayalji

Goyandka used

to say that " Whatever is seen is God's divine form and whatever is

experienced

and activities undertaken is His divine play/pastime (lila).

 

If you are very serious about your question, if you believe in Gita

4:11 (that

however a devotee worships Me, so do I approach them) and have an

ardent and

intense longing to find the answer to this question, it does not

matter if it is

at the end of life or not, SIMPLY FROM NOW ONWARDS - EVERYTHING YOU

SEE IS

BHAGWAAN'S SWAROOP (God's Divine Form) AND EVERYTHING YOU

EXPERIENCE/DO IS HIS

LILA (Divine Play/Pastime).

 

Now if a devotee worship Bhagwaan in this manner, where can

Bhagwaanji HIDE?

Tell me one place he will not be? Tell me how at the end of this

life, end of

this human body, He will not be there as Yamdoot (God of Death)?

Tell me where

you will need to go searching for this rare Devotee of God by true &

heartfelt

sentiments? If your sentiments are true and heartfelt, can you not

accept what

Gita says and what Swamiji says that Bhagwaan (Vasudeva) is

everywhere, in

everything, in all that you see, think, feel, do, experience and

more, because

there is only " Vasudeva " and this is clearly stated in the Gita 7:19

and through

out the Gita in Chapter 11 and more!

 

Do you have any further questions or doubts? Please bring them out!

 

Meera Das

Ram Ram

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Dear Sri Pawan kumar

 

I remember the words of a man who is an ardent devotee of Sri

Ramana. He used to say 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN

IF YOU DO NOT THINK OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE.

 

Please contemplate on that

 

vrsarma podury

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!

In my understanding Bhakta can ask God " why He is delaying

salvation " or he may not even need to ask. God would know all true

Bhaktas' heartfelt desires for merging in Him.

What I mean is the when you are in love with God, unconditionally,

you wouldn't want to make loving Him as a means to the end

(salvation). Such love or remembering God constantly is in itself

the means and end, without duality even though on-lookers may feel

Bhagwaan and Bhakta as separate.

I consider salvation as Moksha or liberation from a false sense

of " me " , non existent ego and establishment in Atman our true Self.

Thus salvation is what we already are. If you remember Swamiji says

Paramatma is already attained, how can you attain that whihc is

attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what we are, not

we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, not

attaining.

In attaining anything there is duality of someone who attains and

something to be attained, not the case here in this Bhakti (loving

devotion).

Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa......Karishye tavachanam....

" I remember my true Self now Lord, will do what you say " .

One lives free of " me " as Sat-Chit-Ananda only.

In salavation no individual entity survives, it is living

impersonally, as Intelligence, Love, Peace, Steadfastness! Karmas

are done when needed without doer!

Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadhak,

I am remember the boon of Kunti in Mahabharat.She requested Lord

Krishna to keep them in poverty so that she can remember almighty

God.Still however we should keep that spirit and in spite of all

troubles and our condition we should never avoid offering prayers at

least or twice.We should learn as to hoe to prayer.Please refer to

my book on 'Prayers of all Religions of the world. This is what I

feel

Truly yours

 

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Sree Pratabji, Kindly bear with me for my mistake. Your goodness

said-- say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have

time to ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in

Salvation?. Baktha is in constant thought of GOD that is why he has

full time to ask

GOD why that HE is delaying salvation. Worldly man partly with God

has time to ask GOD for his desires to be fullfilled one after the

other until death. Such man Geetha has said Kamiyartha Baktha, whom

GOD gives him long rope fulfilling his desires one after other, GOD

hoping he will become Jignasu. That hope of GOD is benovolence. Once

again pardon me if I am wrong and enlighten me.

 

Salvation is that I thought is attained stage, not living in

salvation. Salvation is to be attained and not living in it. Means

trying for salvation. Once salvation is attained there is no

desires. You are very right Sir.

B.Sathyanarayan

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God is available only when we become His and remember His Glories

and His name many times continuously, then and then we will feel His

presence within your hearts. He will be seen but his presence will

be felt. This is how Mirabai, Narsinh Mehta and Chaitainya Maha

Prabhu realized God.

This is what I feel everyday while offering prayers

 

Truly yours

S S Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Sadak,

You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but in

Veerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR

problem ends.

B.Sathyanarayan

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Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explained

by Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh Kumar

Pawan Singhal

Ram Ram

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Dear Sadhaks ,

The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Path

of a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on two

different points of time , are given below. Both are related .

 

In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated as

follows :

 

1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never have

been ( and , can never be )otherwise .

 

2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answers

are available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); it

is ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be known

at a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available to

The Knower of the Self by Existence .

 

3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). It

is always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.

Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.

 

4.The sense of Doership disappears .

 

5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows to

the Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.

Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussion

is only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

 

6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (

Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power---

--not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......

to transform the seeker ).

 

7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, we

were already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( we

shall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is the

Test ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basic

principles shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remain

Blissful, and Peaceful .

 

8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , with

the intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . The

shortest Way.

No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition of

ones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),

respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .

 

9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way to

Light is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but your

willingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).

Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truth

of Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It is

already present in YOU, You are already That .

 

 

ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )

 

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For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union with

that great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :

 

1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on the

sacred Path of love and Light.

 

2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personal

experience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable

 

3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in that

experience.

 

4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where

˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Grace

and yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.

there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any more

running away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. Existences

Play , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part of

Existential Play and Doing

 

5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is the

Knowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strive

for Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜

Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (

devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scriptures

speak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seeking

heart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma

 

6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is to

judge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movement

of the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to

die to the self , to realise the Self.

 

the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when it

arrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,

knows now , that he does not know.

 

Narinder bhandari

 

AUM

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previous

post!

I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time to

ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?

 

I say this to emphasize " remembering God and not expecting

anything " , just unconditional love for God goes a long way.

No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilation

of " me " . Without " me " , all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) have

no footing. " me " is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!

Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinly

say they are, to pay our respect!

Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,

it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,

isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have different

approaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired by

such Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique in

their own way is the proof of different expressions of the same

truth.

Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Q: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for Attaining

Salvation?

 

Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not be

attained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are no

sentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.

Remembering The God is another myth.

 

Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!

Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-

present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataract

in terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude

(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of its

hinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignorance

and inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of the

ignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception and

experience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.

Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist for

their approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is so

strong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.

Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealed

here!

 

Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishads

make it very clear:

 

Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |

 

The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such as

listening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of the

self-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects as

well as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.

Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far as

there is insistence for seeing everything through the lens of

cognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what it

sees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmitted

may not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatial

boundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The image

sensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien to

each other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.

Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality is

futile in the first place.

 

But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest to

be attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort of

seeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is the

insistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. The

insistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.

The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever could

just escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fears

cocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one could

just drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for every

one!

 

Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanum

swaam ||

 

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … just

perceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which is

The You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at your

death, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT reveals

itself within and around.

 

Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:

 

Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?

Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.

Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?

Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||

 

I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannada

equivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefit

from,

 

Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?

Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.

Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?

Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.

 

Grossly, it means,

 

How can there be a sense of existence without something being

within?

The being within remains " as is " NOT seeking anything.

How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can ever

attain That?

Understand that you can attain the one within by just being within

seeking nothing.

 

Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strength

within to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality in

his revelation on " Bhagavattattva " (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):

 

1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop Antah

Karana (intrinsic awareness).

2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innate

awareness).

3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute

(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)

 

I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in this

regard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar he

generously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is being

currently circulated.

 

Respects.

 

Naga Narayana

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Hari Om

 

Pawanji ! You " become " of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practice

a wife " becomes " of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simple

heart: I am of the God, only God is mine.

 

Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The " karta "

(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have become

Godly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God is

that which " happens " effortlessly and which is not " done " .

 

Look at the status today. We " have to " think/remember about God,

while thinking/remembering about the world " happens automatically " .

 

Why? Because at " subtle ego level " we continue to be of world. Hence

thoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the world

only , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experience

problems in concentrating.

 

CHANGE YOUR EGO from " I am of world " to " I am of God " ! Thereupon

bhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will " have

to be done " !

 

As simple as that !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God so

that we can do many good things in life and we will be happy as

posting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.

I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life without

interruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.

I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the posting

of all sadhak

Ram Ram

 

pawan singhal

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

Pawanji, kindly post " sixteen powers by God " as separate question.

From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

 

Priy sadhak

In my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in every

little bit of action happening in & around U.

Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?

Like breathing.

Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.

Can U do all this?

Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our life

without interruption and without any noise. also without showing any

ehsan.

Doesnt it make u believe & love god?

If yes love more

if no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.

Sorry if I hurt U.

I didnt mean it.

thanx

Raja Gurdasani

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Dear Sadaks,

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.

Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress and

asked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songs

were Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6

enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was with

Sri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they were

highly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left an

atom of thought any part of their life that they are already in

salvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is not

tracable.

But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.

Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares for

food. Those great men we recognised them as " Chitta Braman " , (metaly

handicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes they

will be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.

 

B.Sathyanarayan

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Pawan Kumar ji,

I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.

Love is God.

God is Love.

Love all

Serve all.

See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.

Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who is

given this blessed Birth.

Think Good

See Good

Hear Good

Do Good.

 

Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , so

thank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIS

creation.

 

By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice is

with you but to do this you always need the blessings of that

Supreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path of

salvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIM

to decide.

 

It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.

 

One need to have a strong determination and go step by step and

drop by drop you can fill the ocean.

 

I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any way

With Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal Love

KAMLESH KUMAR

HELP EVER HURT NEVER

LOVE ALL SERVE ALL

HAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAY

 

Kamlesh Kumar

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Dear Sadhakas, namaste!

Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?

Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When " I " who

expect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to be

one and the same, salvation has happened.

In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,

duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desire

anything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,

Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of

desire!

when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, " I " also

end at the same time, not later!

See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!

Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

 

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Dear Sadak,

pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over and

if you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.

Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, " Aninya Chitayayome " , means

constant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Your

responsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HIS

responsibility takes over.

This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE will

liberate HIS baktha in same birth.

Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, making

garlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listening

scriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleep

and practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lighting

lamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walking

around HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri Krishanaya

Vasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In all

moments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan

 

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Dear Sadhak,

 

Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form of

human being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 million

different forms of births. If we know we will always remember Him

because we are obligated to Him

 

Secondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us some

sixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life and

we will be happy.

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

 

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We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritual

practices will definitely lead us in the right direction.

Hari Shanker Deo

 

 

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SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS

- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.

See God in All. God in you is the God in All.

Serve All.

Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.

Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing to

serve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice is

yours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.

- " Aninya Chitayayome " , means constant thought on ME, that soul I

(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha in

same birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.

- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'

- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!

- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,

experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living in

Salvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruption

and without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.

- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we are

eternally obligated to Bhagwaan

- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignorance

and inertia are removed.

- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not be

attained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannot

withold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional

reality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty in

realizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is the

insistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. The

insistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … just

perceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.

Remain " as is " NOT seeking anything. Simply be!

Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsic

awareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to

remain in The Tattva … The Absolute

- Become of " Paramatma " , then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'

has become of God. Our problem is that at " subtle ego level " we

continue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.

Change YOUR EGO from " I am of world " to " I am of God " !

- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditional

love for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead

to anhilation of " me " . Without " me " , all six enemies (anger,

jealousy, etc) have no footing.

- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.

- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.

- living in the present, Now and here.

- sense of Doership disappears

- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows to

the Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.

Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussion

is only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

- Words become Fewer

- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. Minimum

Discussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone's

Being ( SEE 1 Above ),

- and finally... drop all Knowledge

- longing for God is Existence Gift

- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to the

self , to

realise the Self. when it

arrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,

knows now , that he does not know.

- 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINK

OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE

 

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I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments

which is rare but is somewhere -Gita 7(19).

 

God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4

(11). My message is how can I think of God & remember God by true

sentiments so that i can get salvation at the end at least as per

Gita 8(5).

 

pawan kumar singhal

Ram Ram

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NEW POSTING

 

Shri Hari

I belong to God -I accepted it first of all. One could see who has gyan & other

could not see who has agyan.

I and my-ness is main obstacle which i find difficult to conquer to get

peace(Gita 2.71). I am trying as sadhak.

Ram Ram

pawan singhal

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Dear sadak, (pawan singhal )

Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind nature to be in

constant search. Search of worldly matters and things/ Or Search of divinity.

Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly on

worldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce your

activity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,

Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind will

automatically diverse from world to divinity to great extent. Once retired

renounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takes

place. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Sadaks,

Sri Pratab Bhatt says, " " To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!

In my understanding Bhakta can ask God " why He is delaying salvation " or he may

not even need to ask. God would know all true Bhaktas' heartfelt desires for

merging in Him. " " But Swamiji said

Goswamiji has said `Lord, give me your devotion and free me of desires, anger

and faults'. Only `Give me your devotion as that alone will suffice.' 3rd March,

2009, Tuesday Falgun Shukla Panchami, Vikram Samvat 2065, Mangalvar

 

Sri Pratab I know he will have answer for Sadhaks

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Sadaks,

 

Sri Pratabji thus said so is absolutely correct, Thus salvation is what we

already are. If you remember Swamiji says Paramatma is already attained, how can

you attain that which is attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what

we are, not we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, not

attaining.

 

Now the question comes from ordinary men. -

1) I am fraud, doing all underhand dealings, I cheat people and bank or even

nation, I know how bad I am. Sir, you are telling me that I already attained

Paramathuma .

2) Politician said, I know what I am doing and Sir you call me I attained

Paramathuma. Don’t be kidding.

3) Student said, I have to achieve so much in life Sir you say I attained

Paramathuma.

4) Householder said, I have to get my children married and see that they get

settled, don’t be joking I attained Paramathuma.

 

What Swamiji said was also correct. Then where came the difference?

 

Human alone is blessed with such a body and intellect that can discriminate good

and bad, body and the soul, jeeva and paramathuma. Now a boy is told that he is

fit to become doctor. He studies hard and gets Degree as a doctor. He did not

know he can become doctor until told. He then studied well and became doctor

only on listening to advisor (Guru). So Swamiji shares the teachings of the Gita

and scriptures saying human has in built capacity and ability to attain God.

Which means that one need not fear that he cannot attain GOD, as he has all

provisions to attain God. But human does not know this power within is there.

Now take animals they don't have that power to attain God, except in exceptional

cases. Animals have to raise to human level to attain God. Referance; Kapila

Geetha told by Bagavan to Deva Hoothi. Even devatas, Indra etc are to take human

birth and get salvation says Vedas. This valuable life gift (Godliness) is

attained, but unaware of the birth of a human birth gift obtained by passing

through various birth from tree to animals. Misuse this birth and go back to a

worm in a dust bin says Vivekachudamani. Narayana Batadri a famous sant of

Guruvayuralso wrote that the human body is invaluable gift, if misused one takes

birth as animals. Referance: Srimath Narayiniyam. Bagavan in Geetha also said,

" Aneka Jalma Samshidayaha----- " Gyan is that you now accept that you are in a

attained position of Paramathuma. Vig (Scientifically- Science of Creation) is

applied to Gyan and one becomes Vig Gyani where by he can never ever commit

mistake after becoming so. A Gyani has committed mistake but Vig Gyani does not.

Best Example: Adi Sankara was Gyani but his Gyan was incomplete, until Bagavan

Shiva came in disguise as Chandala with 4 dogs in street of Kasi and gave Vig

Gyan. Referance : Manisha Panchakam.

 

Sri Pratabji wrote that " Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa. .....Karishye

tavachanam.. ..

" I remember my true Self now Lord, I will do what you say " .

 

So every human needs Sri Krishna. the Guru to say these, then he will say, I

remember my true self until then he is in maya.

 

Sadaks, body is a vital tool to attain Paramathuma. Bhramaji was jealous in

heaven when he saw Sri Krishna eating along with his friends in Vridavan, one

feeding each other. He thought what a gift to be a child in Vrindavan along with

Sri Krishna. My post is useless. Devas and devathas where still more jealous and

it would have best to be a calf or cow there rather than in this Bog lok wasting

time.

 

Sadaks we are blessed to be in human form on earth to the extent to serve Sri

Krishna in Pooja, in making Mala, in giving HIM fruits, in prostrating at his

feet, in singing HIS songs, in seeing HIM blissfully. This NO ONE else in 13

Loks can do. Referance : Sants of Panderpur, Shenayi, Chota Mela, Sakubai etc.

and also written in Gyanapaana of the great sant who flew to Vaikunt by Puspaka

Viman in 1650 at Malapuram in public view Sant Sri Poothanam.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

 

B.Sathyanarayan

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False asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things that

come & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti) Said Sri pawan singhal.

How many times happiness came and gone?. How many times unhappiness came and

gone? It will come and go, so be aware of this truth.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

 

 

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Shree Hari

I accept Gita 7(19) that God is everywhere and in everything but I

can not realise God due to lack of understanding of Gita 18(48) &

false asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things that

come & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti).

I am trying to make relationship with self but in vain. Other way is

only to meet the devotee of God in physical form as guided in Gita 4

(34). I realise swamiji as Giani -Gita 4(34) & take benefit till

association with Him. Now I am trying those benefit through gita-

talk group that is insant satsang. I have already requested to

sadhakas of this group but in vain.

I believe in association of great soul in physical form to get

spiritual guidance as I feel with Swamiji at Rishikesh & Kolkatta.

Please assist me to meet divine sadhaka & other realised great

soul/Giani/devotee of God

 

pawan singhal

Ram Ram

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NEW POSTING

 

Shri Hari

Longing is by the Self is answer of my question as explained by

Meera Das. I request to Sh. Meera Das & all sadhaks please explain

How it will happen? I can only pray to God. I am helpless.

Ram Ram

pawan singhal

 

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Here are simple, clear and very easy words spoken in Hindi by

Swamiji -

 

" Sabse pehle sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hoon. Ek baar saral

hriday se dridhta poorvak sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hi

hoon. Jab aap bhagwaan ke ho to aapko unki smriti ke liye kuch karna

hi nahin padega. Aapki har kriya unki pooja hogi. "

 

Meager attempt at translating these simple words -

 

" First of all, accept that I am Bhagwaan's (I belong to God). Just

once, with a simple, straight forward heart, accept with a firm

conviction, that I am only Bhagwaan's (I belong to only God). When

you become Bhagwaan's then you will have to do absolutely nothing

for His rememberance. All your activities will become His worship. "

 

Now the Panchamrit (Five Golden Principles) just happens on it's

own -

1) I am only God's

2) I reside in His kingdom only

3) I do His work (good and auspicious) only

4) I receive only His prasad (blessing/offering)

5) With the prasad received from Him, I serve only His family.

 

Now what will cause you to forgot Bhagwaan (God)? When you become

someone's do you have to remember you belong to them? Do you have

to recite at night I belong to Him, I belong to Him, I belong to

Him? Do you have to study to remind yourself, since I belong to my

Beloved, I must cook and do other work for Him? Do you have to

remind yourself that since I belong to Him, I must take care of His

children? and so on?

 

Become Bhagwaan's (God's) ONLY ONCE !!!! .... says Swamiji... Magic

follows... undoubtedly.

 

Meera Das

Ram Ram

 

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In India we are lucky to have amongst us God realised souls who are

showing others the path to salvation. These gurus by shunning

worldly comforts and possessions are showing us the way. Once we

realise that every thing that we see is maya or illusion and that

the only truth is the Soul or Atma within each of us whose only goal

is to unite with the Parmatma, we can attain salvation. What we are

today is the result of our past karmas but we can control what we

will become through through the result of our present karmas. So if

we follow the right path of sewa or helping others, satsang or

seeking the company of good people, sadhna or spiritual practices

and dhyan or meditation to connect with our Soul then we will be on

the right path.

Hari Shanker Deo

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Thank You Narinder Bhandariji. I bow to YOU and The Krishna

rejoicing your Rejoice.

 

Respects.

 

Naga Narayana

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Dear Sadaks,

One says Salvation/Mukthi is always there. Another point said that

you that Sat Chit and Anandham. Then why one has to suffer? Because

reason

 

1) One knows not to tell lies, but says- Mind level.

2) One knows drinking alcohol is wrong, but drinks -Body level.

3) One knows that he has to Sadhana, but does not do, intellect

level.

 

These 3 are called Trikarna Sudhi (Clealiness of body mind and

intellect) How to achieve it? By guidance - God/Guru. Salvation

Mukthi is there, but one is not living in it as the qualities are

not there. A person with eye sight is unable to read. But then he

needs spectacles. So the body, mind and intellect is not in form, it

is spoilt. He needs Gyan (Spectacle) to see within (Athuman) his

swaroop.

He gets from Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh. Until then he does not

realize that he is easily reachable to God/Salvation/Mukthi. That is

why without Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh he undergoes birth after

birth. The man who obtained Gyan knows preyty well that his Swaroop

is itself divine and because of curtain of Maya he lost valuable

life time.

What is wrong in learning from the saint's teachings? In fact their

teaching are there for one to follow. Otherwise those histories

could not have been written. In fact it is easy to follow a saint

path to reach God faster. Saints showed easy methods that could make

one realize.

There were so many disciples who followed the instructions of their

Guru and obtained Mukthi. Example: Sant Ekanath. In Kaliyug it is

difficult for man to read scriptures/Sanskrit Etc and then know the

path. In Srimath Bagavath says in Kaliyug Namasankeerthan is enough

to get liberated. Each yuga Dharma is there in Scripts. If someone

tells me easy and quick and fast way to reach Badrinath, what is

wrong in following his advise. So are Bakthas who guides us. Just by

presenting a flower Mala daily with faith and love to God a saint

(Vishnu Chithar) says it will pave path to Vaikunt. It seems easy

but if one tries that somewhere or other he fails in timely pooja or

loose a day without, or gets stuck to some business or occupied in a

family function Etc. So sincerity, faith, love towards God setting

aside even a great need of family produces realization. Sadaks, many

of us go temple say certain day Friday/Saterday. How punctual are we?

 

Hiranyakasipu and Prahald had argument where is GOD. Prahald said HE

is everywhere. His father asked is HE in this pillar. Prahalad

says, " Drusyate " (Yes I see God). His father says " Nah Durshyate " (I

can not see HIM). Why? One has Gyan the other has Agyan. Though

Paramathuma there , one could see and other could not see. Most of

us are still in Agyan. Here Guru was Prahalad who showed GOd and

Hiranyakasipu obtained Mukthi.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

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PRIOR POSTING

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Dear Pawanji, Swamiji has said that such experience of the presence

of God, the rememberance of God, your Beloved One by true

sentiments, is only possible by one's own Self. Not by mind/

intellect and not by trying to remember. It is only when this

longing is by the Self, that it happens on it's own simply,

naturally, and involuntarily (Swabhavik). Swamiji says this is so

innate that it happens even in one's sleep. Rather it happens

naturally all the time. Intense attachment and longing for God -

round the clock. It is not about " doing " but simply " being " . It

simply and naturally " IS " . Absolutely nothing has to be done to

remember our Beloved One.

 

Just like when our Beloved is going to arrive by train, and we have

not seen him for a long time and we are waiting at the railway

station for Him, and we feel the anxiety, the longing - When will my

Beloved come? When will I see Him? How much longer will it be before

our eyes meet? This anticipation, this longing is so intense that

one simply cannot wait even a moment. It is consuming ! Just that

one thought.. when will I see my Beloved!

 

Just like when we are intensely thirsty and are consumed with the

thought of a sip of water. Do you have such enthusiasm? Such drive?

Such Zeal? Such Intensity? Such Sentiments to meet Your Beloved One,

God? - asks Swamiji

 

Meera Das

Ram Ram

 

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Krishna and His song

 

 

The Heart,

 

In longing pain

 

Cries out

 

Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!

 

The Soul rejoices.

 

 

 

The Mind

 

In love's ecstasy

 

Bows at the feet of the Beloved

 

The Soul rejoices.

 

 

 

And Krishna smiles,

 

The flute rising to his lips.

 

Ah! The symphony of the soundless sound,

 

Where

 

The seven disappear into the Light of lights

 

Where

 

Time disappears into Timelessness

 

 

 

And

 

The Heart,

 

In longing's pain

 

Keeps Crying out

 

Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!

 

And

 

Thence comes the Lords song of songs

 

The Bhagavad geetha, ah !

 

To assuage the hearts pain

 

And, the Minds thirst for Knowledge, and Light

 

aum

 

narinder bhandari

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Hari Om

 

Pawanji ! You have received sterling in sights in response to your

Qs, the last one from Mira Dassji. Truth and only truth is there in

her last message to you. If you just " accept " with a simple heart

what she has so eloquently recommended to you, your search gets over

effortlessly, then and there !! Where can Paramatma hide when you

start with goal of BG 7:19? Can ice hidden behind ice ever remain

hidden?

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Dear Sadhak,

Why think to achieve salvation at the " end " ? It cannot be a future

goal. It is HERE and NOW as stated by sadhak Narinderji.

Only effort needed is to be present Here and Now with a deep longing

to reach HIM. Now is the eternity zone. All spiritual practices like

breath control, name chanting, mala japa etc leads sadhak to remain

in present moment.

The whole world is nothing but an illusion, a web of our thinking

mind. When a sadhak practices living in here and now, he is out of

the grip of his thinking mind and all doing becomes happenings.

" Sarva Dharma Paritjya, mamekam sharanam vrij " Gitaji. when sadhak

surrender to Krishna, he accept every moment As IT IS and remains

submerged in the ocean of Love, Bliss and Peace.

with Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

 

 

Shri Hari

I am asking question due to my nature-Gita 5(14) & Gita 2(7) but

before Gita 18(73) & because I know the truth-everything belongs to

Bhagwan, the essence, I say this but I do not believe the truth, the

essence as i say in prayer written by Swami Shri Ramsukhdasji

Maharaj.

Meera Das & Pratap Bhatt has explained after Gita 18(73)

Ram Ram

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PRIOR POSTING

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Swamiji incessantly, relentlessly, persistently spoke

about " Vasudeva Sarvam "

(All is God) in the final years in His mortal body. He repeated this

many times

- PLEASE READ CAREFUL AND ACCEPT IMMEDIATELY! If there is no

questions or

doubts, then PLEASE ACCEPT RIGHT NOW!

 

Swamiji said -

Whatever is perceived with mind, speech, sight and other senses is

only God.

Accept this immediately. The active, inactive, conscious, matter,

[born of egg,

sweat and sprouting from earth] - all are God and nothing else. Good

or bad,

wicked or virtuous, all are God. There is nothing else besides God.

He who

wishes to attain God should accept this fact. As Shri Jaydayalji

Goyandka used

to say that " Whatever is seen is God's divine form and whatever is

experienced

and activities undertaken is His divine play/pastime (lila).

 

If you are very serious about your question, if you believe in Gita

4:11 (that

however a devotee worships Me, so do I approach them) and have an

ardent and

intense longing to find the answer to this question, it does not

matter if it is

at the end of life or not, SIMPLY FROM NOW ONWARDS - EVERYTHING YOU

SEE IS

BHAGWAAN'S SWAROOP (God's Divine Form) AND EVERYTHING YOU

EXPERIENCE/DO IS HIS

LILA (Divine Play/Pastime).

 

Now if a devotee worship Bhagwaan in this manner, where can

Bhagwaanji HIDE?

Tell me one place he will not be? Tell me how at the end of this

life, end of

this human body, He will not be there as Yamdoot (God of Death)?

Tell me where

you will need to go searching for this rare Devotee of God by true &

heartfelt

sentiments? If your sentiments are true and heartfelt, can you not

accept what

Gita says and what Swamiji says that Bhagwaan (Vasudeva) is

everywhere, in

everything, in all that you see, think, feel, do, experience and

more, because

there is only " Vasudeva " and this is clearly stated in the Gita 7:19

and through

out the Gita in Chapter 11 and more!

 

Do you have any further questions or doubts? Please bring them out!

 

Meera Das

Ram Ram

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Dear Sri Pawan kumar

 

I remember the words of a man who is an ardent devotee of Sri

Ramana. He used to say 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN

IF YOU DO NOT THINK OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE.

 

Please contemplate on that

 

vrsarma podury

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!

In my understanding Bhakta can ask God " why He is delaying

salvation " or he may not even need to ask. God would know all true

Bhaktas' heartfelt desires for merging in Him.

What I mean is the when you are in love with God, unconditionally,

you wouldn't want to make loving Him as a means to the end

(salvation). Such love or remembering God constantly is in itself

the means and end, without duality even though on-lookers may feel

Bhagwaan and Bhakta as separate.

I consider salvation as Moksha or liberation from a false sense

of " me " , non existent ego and establishment in Atman our true Self.

Thus salvation is what we already are. If you remember Swamiji says

Paramatma is already attained, how can you attain that whihc is

attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what we are, not

we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, not

attaining.

In attaining anything there is duality of someone who attains and

something to be attained, not the case here in this Bhakti (loving

devotion).

Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa......Karishye tavachanam....

" I remember my true Self now Lord, will do what you say " .

One lives free of " me " as Sat-Chit-Ananda only.

In salavation no individual entity survives, it is living

impersonally, as Intelligence, Love, Peace, Steadfastness! Karmas

are done when needed without doer!

Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadhak,

I am remember the boon of Kunti in Mahabharat.She requested Lord

Krishna to keep them in poverty so that she can remember almighty

God.Still however we should keep that spirit and in spite of all

troubles and our condition we should never avoid offering prayers at

least or twice.We should learn as to hoe to prayer.Please refer to

my book on 'Prayers of all Religions of the world. This is what I

feel

Truly yours

 

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Sree Pratabji, Kindly bear with me for my mistake. Your goodness

said-- say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have

time to ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in

Salvation?. Baktha is in constant thought of GOD that is why he has

full time to ask

GOD why that HE is delaying salvation. Worldly man partly with God

has time to ask GOD for his desires to be fullfilled one after the

other until death. Such man Geetha has said Kamiyartha Baktha, whom

GOD gives him long rope fulfilling his desires one after other, GOD

hoping he will become Jignasu. That hope of GOD is benovolence. Once

again pardon me if I am wrong and enlighten me.

 

Salvation is that I thought is attained stage, not living in

salvation. Salvation is to be attained and not living in it. Means

trying for salvation. Once salvation is attained there is no

desires. You are very right Sir.

B.Sathyanarayan

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God is available only when we become His and remember His Glories

and His name many times continuously, then and then we will feel His

presence within your hearts. He will be seen but his presence will

be felt. This is how Mirabai, Narsinh Mehta and Chaitainya Maha

Prabhu realized God.

This is what I feel everyday while offering prayers

 

Truly yours

S S Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Sadak,

You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but in

Veerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR

problem ends.

B.Sathyanarayan

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Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explained

by Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh Kumar

Pawan Singhal

Ram Ram

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Dear Sadhaks ,

The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Path

of a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on two

different points of time , are given below. Both are related .

 

In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated as

follows :

 

1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never have

been ( and , can never be )otherwise .

 

2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answers

are available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); it

is ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be known

at a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available to

The Knower of the Self by Existence .

 

3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). It

is always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.

Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.

 

4.The sense of Doership disappears .

 

5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows to

the Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.

Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussion

is only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

 

6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (

Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power---

--not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......

to transform the seeker ).

 

7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, we

were already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( we

shall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is the

Test ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basic

principles shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remain

Blissful, and Peaceful .

 

8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , with

the intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . The

shortest Way.

No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition of

ones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),

respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .

 

9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way to

Light is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but your

willingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).

Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truth

of Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It is

already present in YOU, You are already That .

 

 

ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )

 

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For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union with

that great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :

 

1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on the

sacred Path of love and Light.

 

2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personal

experience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable

 

3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in that

experience.

 

4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where

˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Grace

and yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.

there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any more

running away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. Existences

Play , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part of

Existential Play and Doing

 

5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is the

Knowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strive

for Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜

Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (

devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scriptures

speak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seeking

heart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma

 

6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is to

judge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movement

of the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to

die to the self , to realise the Self.

 

the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when it

arrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,

knows now , that he does not know.

 

Narinder bhandari

 

AUM

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previous

post!

I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time to

ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?

 

I say this to emphasize " remembering God and not expecting

anything " , just unconditional love for God goes a long way.

No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilation

of " me " . Without " me " , all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) have

no footing. " me " is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!

Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinly

say they are, to pay our respect!

Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,

it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,

isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have different

approaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired by

such Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique in

their own way is the proof of different expressions of the same

truth.

Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Q: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for Attaining

Salvation?

 

Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not be

attained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are no

sentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.

Remembering The God is another myth.

 

Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!

Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-

present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataract

in terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude

(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of its

hinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignorance

and inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of the

ignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception and

experience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.

Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist for

their approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is so

strong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.

Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealed

here!

 

Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishads

make it very clear:

 

Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |

 

The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such as

listening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of the

self-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects as

well as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.

Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far as

there is insistence for seeing everything through the lens of

cognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what it

sees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmitted

may not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatial

boundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The image

sensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien to

each other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.

Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality is

futile in the first place.

 

But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest to

be attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort of

seeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is the

insistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. The

insistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.

The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever could

just escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fears

cocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one could

just drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for every

one!

 

Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanum

swaam ||

 

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … just

perceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which is

The You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at your

death, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT reveals

itself within and around.

 

Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:

 

Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?

Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.

Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?

Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||

 

I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannada

equivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefit

from,

 

Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?

Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.

Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?

Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.

 

Grossly, it means,

 

How can there be a sense of existence without something being

within?

The being within remains " as is " NOT seeking anything.

How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can ever

attain That?

Understand that you can attain the one within by just being within

seeking nothing.

 

Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strength

within to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality in

his revelation on " Bhagavattattva " (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):

 

1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop Antah

Karana (intrinsic awareness).

2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innate

awareness).

3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute

(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)

 

I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in this

regard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar he

generously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is being

currently circulated.

 

Respects.

 

Naga Narayana

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Hari Om

 

Pawanji ! You " become " of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practice

a wife " becomes " of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simple

heart: I am of the God, only God is mine.

 

Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The " karta "

(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have become

Godly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God is

that which " happens " effortlessly and which is not " done " .

 

Look at the status today. We " have to " think/remember about God,

while thinking/remembering about the world " happens automatically " .

 

Why? Because at " subtle ego level " we continue to be of world. Hence

thoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the world

only , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experience

problems in concentrating.

 

CHANGE YOUR EGO from " I am of world " to " I am of God " ! Thereupon

bhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will " have

to be done " !

 

As simple as that !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God so

that we can do many good things in life and we will be happy as

posting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.

I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life without

interruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.

I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the posting

of all sadhak

Ram Ram

 

pawan singhal

--------------------------------

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

Pawanji, kindly post " sixteen powers by God " as separate question.

From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

 

Priy sadhak

In my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in every

little bit of action happening in & around U.

Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?

Like breathing.

Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.

Can U do all this?

Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our life

without interruption and without any noise. also without showing any

ehsan.

Doesnt it make u believe & love god?

If yes love more

if no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.

Sorry if I hurt U.

I didnt mean it.

thanx

Raja Gurdasani

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Dear Sadaks,

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.

Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress and

asked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songs

were Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6

enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was with

Sri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they were

highly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left an

atom of thought any part of their life that they are already in

salvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is not

tracable.

But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.

Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares for

food. Those great men we recognised them as " Chitta Braman " , (metaly

handicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes they

will be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.

 

B.Sathyanarayan

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Pawan Kumar ji,

I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.

Love is God.

God is Love.

Love all

Serve all.

See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.

Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who is

given this blessed Birth.

Think Good

See Good

Hear Good

Do Good.

 

Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , so

thank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIS

creation.

 

By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice is

with you but to do this you always need the blessings of that

Supreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path of

salvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIM

to decide.

 

It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.

 

One need to have a strong determination and go step by step and

drop by drop you can fill the ocean.

 

I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any way

With Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal Love

KAMLESH KUMAR

HELP EVER HURT NEVER

LOVE ALL SERVE ALL

HAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAY

 

Kamlesh Kumar

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Dear Sadhakas, namaste!

Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?

Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When " I " who

expect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to be

one and the same, salvation has happened.

In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,

duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desire

anything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,

Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of

desire!

when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, " I " also

end at the same time, not later!

See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!

Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

 

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Dear Sadak,

pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over and

if you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.

Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, " Aninya Chitayayome " , means

constant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Your

responsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HIS

responsibility takes over.

This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE will

liberate HIS baktha in same birth.

Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, making

garlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listening

scriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleep

and practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lighting

lamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walking

around HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri Krishanaya

Vasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In all

moments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan

 

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Dear Sadhak,

 

Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form of

human being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 million

different forms of births. If we know we will always remember Him

because we are obligated to Him

 

Secondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us some

sixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life and

we will be happy.

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

 

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We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritual

practices will definitely lead us in the right direction.

Hari Shanker Deo

 

 

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SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS

- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.

See God in All. God in you is the God in All.

Serve All.

Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.

Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing to

serve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice is

yours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.

- " Aninya Chitayayome " , means constant thought on ME, that soul I

(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha in

same birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.

- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'

- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!

- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,

experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living in

Salvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruption

and without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.

- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we are

eternally obligated to Bhagwaan

- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignorance

and inertia are removed.

- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not be

attained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannot

withold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional

reality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty in

realizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is the

insistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. The

insistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … just

perceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.

Remain " as is " NOT seeking anything. Simply be!

Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsic

awareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to

remain in The Tattva … The Absolute

- Become of " Paramatma " , then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'

has become of God. Our problem is that at " subtle ego level " we

continue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.

Change YOUR EGO from " I am of world " to " I am of God " !

- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditional

love for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead

to anhilation of " me " . Without " me " , all six enemies (anger,

jealousy, etc) have no footing.

- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.

- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.

- living in the present, Now and here.

- sense of Doership disappears

- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows to

the Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.

Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussion

is only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

- Words become Fewer

- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. Minimum

Discussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone's

Being ( SEE 1 Above ),

- and finally... drop all Knowledge

- longing for God is Existence Gift

- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to the

self , to

realise the Self. when it

arrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,

knows now , that he does not know.

- 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINK

OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE

 

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Shree Hari... Pending queue clean up today...few extra emails. Ram Ram--------------------------------I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentimentswhich is rare but is somewhere -Gita 7(19).God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4(11). My message is how can I think of God & remember God by truesentiments so that i can get salvation at the end at least as perGita 8(5).pawan kumar singhalRam Ram-------------------------------FOLLOW-UPShri HariI belong to God -I accepted it first of all. One could see who has gyan & othercould not see who has agyan.I and my-ness is main obstacle which i find difficult to conquer, to get peace(Gita 2.71). I am trying as sadhak.Ram Rampawan singhal

 

 

 

 

----------Hari OmPawanji. Why you should consider some thing to be difficult to conquer? What is the difficulty?What is yours? A thing/body over which you have no independent control , can that be yours? By what yardstick you consider some thing/body to be yours? A thing/body which was not yours in the past, not going to be yours in the future, at present also it is constantly drifting away from you, how that thing can be yours? Where is the difficulty in understanding this simple fact?Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B -------

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

Pawanji, since you mentioned the words "PEACE" in your follow-up, then I would like to share with you what Swamiji has guaranteed us all. He has said - If we leave all that we want and desire, we shall attain real and everlasting Peace instantly [faster than instant coffee]. This is if you are more inclined to the path of Knowledge (Jnana Yog).

But if you are more inclined towards Bhakti (devotion) then Swamiji says - Become God's "Yes Man" and attain True Peace, instantly. HAA MAHARAJ. HAA MAHARAJ. HAA MAHARAJ. Simply say - YES Maharaj to Bhagwaan. Make Him your master. Does servant have any loss of peace when house is on fire? when master loses the estate? when something breaks in the house or if the roof leaks? If you sincerely become His servant... where is the moha (attraction/attachment) and where is the ahankaar (egoism)?

Bhagwaan's words can NEVER be false. Swamiji has put His rubber stamp guaranteeing one can be free of "moha" and "ahankaar". Swamiji has said - Yes, we can be Nirmamoha Nirahankara. If one could not become free of egoism and attachment, then why would Bhagwaan say in the Gita, to become free of egoism and attachment? Bhagwaan has said many times -

"Nirmamoha Nirahankara, sa shaantimadhigacchyati." (Gita 2:71); Definitely PEACE will follow...

"Nirmamoha Nirahankara samadukhasukha kshami," (Gita 12:13);

"Ahankaaram...... vimuchya nirmamah" (Gita 18:53).

But Swamiji explains even further, that we can only give up what is not ours in the first place. What is inherently ours we cannot give up. So all we are doing is giving up the false belief that something is ours. HOw difficult is it to give up a false belief, once you are told it is false? Please ask if there are any further doubts.

Meera Das

Ram Ram

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!I don't know what exactly Sathyanarayanji is asking me to answer about what Swamiji said about Goswamiji asking God to give him Devotion whereas I said that Bhakta may or may not ask of anything but God always knows his/her heartfelt desires! I don't see any inconsistency here! But if he is implying something of that sort, I agree with whatever Swamiji says, his are final words!In his earlier posting he is commenting on the statement I made "Paramatman is ever attained" reminding that Swamiji also said the same. He is asking how can it be possible in cases of 4 examples he gives: fraudulant people, student who has to study, politician, householders having to do so much etc etc. Then he explains what Swamiji meant is that all of us have potential to attain Paramatman, until we do, we are in Maya!My answer is that right you are! BUT how many of us know Paramatman is already attained, and He IS what WE ARE? Certainly those 4 categories of people more than likely don't know it.Even if one provisionally accepts that "oh God is Attained, I am already God, I am Atman, Consciousness" it will go a long way to self inquiry and ultimately Realization.We make such statements as "until you realize Self or Paramatman, you are in Maya, bondage! But I say until you choose to remain bind in Maya, you may not realize God.Paradoxical as it may sound, there is difference in the two statements, later starts with what you know: you are bound, suffering etc, making it easier to start with where you are while in former case you are in unknown area-Maya and God, even though you can get there. Another point: One should Realize first, that one is such Consciousness or God or true meaning of "I", or one is Being having no limitaions of any kind. Then see whether or not you can indulge in any wrong doings. You just cannot! People offer this excuse "If I am God, I can do anything including murder?" Again first Realize and see for yourself! All such speculative questions have no meaning in spirituality, here God tells you what to do when and how when He wants it done!Sathyanarayanji has answered those questions and I do respect them. However, to me,Swamiji means what he said "Paramatman is already attained", is a statement of fact we need to discover for ourselves! Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

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Dear sadak, (pawan singhal )Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind nature to be inconstant search. Search of worldly matters and things/ Or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically diverse from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan--------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Sri Pratab Bhatt says, To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delaying salvation" or he maynot even need to ask. God would know all true Bhaktas' heartfelt desires formerging in Him."" But Swamiji saidGoswamiji has said `Lord, give me your devotion and free me of desires, angerand faults'. Only `Give me your devotion as that alone will suffice.' 3rd March,2009, Tuesday Falgun Shukla Panchami, Vikram Samvat 2065, MangalvarSri Pratab I know he will have answer for SadhaksJai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Sri Pratabji thus said so is absolutely correct, Thus salvation is what wealready are. If you remember Swamiji says Paramatma is already attained, how canyou attain that which is attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is whatwe are, not we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.Now the question comes from ordinary men. -1) I am fraud, doing all underhand dealings, I cheat people and bank or evennation, I know how bad I am. Sir, you are telling me that I already attainedParamathuma .2) Politician said, I know what I am doing and Sir you call me I attainedParamathuma. Don’t be kidding.3) Student said, I have to achieve so much in life Sir you say I attainedParamathuma.4) Householder said, I have to get my children married and see that they getsettled, don’t be joking I attained Paramathuma.What Swamiji said was also correct. Then where came the difference?Human alone is blessed with such a body and intellect that can discriminate goodand bad, body and the soul, jeeva and paramathuma. Now a boy is told that he isfit to become doctor. He studies hard and gets Degree as a doctor. He did notknow he can become doctor until told. He then studied well and became doctoronly on listening to advisor (Guru). So Swamiji shares the teachings of the Gitaand scriptures saying human has in built capacity and ability to attain God.Which means that one need not fear that he cannot attain GOD, as he has allprovisions to attain God. But human does not know this power within is there.Now take animals they don't have that power to attain God, except in exceptionalcases. Animals have to raise to human level to attain God. Referance; KapilaGeetha told by Bagavan to Deva Hoothi. Even devatas, Indra etc are to take humanbirth and get salvation says Vedas. This valuable life gift (Godliness) isattained, but unaware of the birth of a human birth gift obtained by passingthrough various birth from tree to animals. Misuse this birth and go back to a worm in a dust bin says Vivekachudamani. Narayana Batadri a famous sant ofGuruvayuralso wrote that the human body is invaluable gift, if misused one takesbirth as animals. Referance: Srimath Narayiniyam. Bagavan in Geetha also said,"Aneka Jalma Samshidayaha-----" Gyan is that you now accept that you are in aattained position of Paramathuma. Vig (Scientifically- Science of Creation) isapplied to Gyan and one becomes Vig Gyani where by he can never ever commitmistake after becoming so. A Gyani has committed mistake but Vig Gyani does not.Best Example: Adi Sankara was Gyani but his Gyan was incomplete, until BagavanShiva came in disguise as Chandala with 4 dogs in street of Kasi and gave VigGyan. Referance : Manisha Panchakam.Sri Pratabji wrote that "Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa. .....Karishyetavachanam.. .."I remember my true Self now Lord, I will do what you say".So every human needs Sri Krishna. the Guru to say these, then he will say, Iremember my true self until then he is in maya.Sadaks, body is a vital tool to attain Paramathuma. Bhramaji was jealous inheaven when he saw Sri Krishna eating along with his friends in Vridavan, onefeeding each other. He thought what a gift to be a child in Vrindavan along withSri Krishna. My post is useless. Devas and devathas where still more jealous andit would have best to be a calf or cow there rather than in this Bog lok wastingtime.Sadaks we are blessed to be in human form on earth to the extent to serve SriKrishna in Pooja, in making Mala, in giving HIM fruits, in prostrating at hisfeet, in singing HIS songs, in seeing HIM blissfully. This NO ONE else in 13Loks can do. Referance : Sants of Panderpur, Shenayi, Chota Mela, Sakubai etc.and also written in Gyanapaana of the great sant who flew to Vaikunt by PuspakaViman in 1650 at Malapuram in public view Sant Sri Poothanam.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------False asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti) Said Sri pawan singhal.How many times happiness came and gone?. How many times unhappiness came andgone? It will come and go, so be aware of this truth.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariI accept Gita 7(19) that God is everywhere and in everything but Ican not realise God due to lack of understanding of Gita 18(48) & false asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti).I am trying to make relationship with self but in vain. Other way isonly to meet the devotee of God in physical form as guided in Gita 4(34). I realise swamiji as Giani -Gita 4(34) & take benefit tillassociation with Him. Now I am trying those benefit through group that is insant satsang. I have already requested tosadhakas of this group but in vain.I believe in association of great soul in physical form to getspiritual guidance as I feel with Swamiji at Rishikesh & Kolkatta.Please assist me to meet divine sadhaka & other realised greatsoul/Giani/devotee of Godpawan singhalRam Ram----------------------------NEW POSTINGShri HariLonging is by the Self is answer of my question as explained byMeera Das. I request to Sh. Meera Das & all sadhaks please explainHow it will happen? I can only pray to God. I am helpless.Ram Rampawan singhal------------------------Shree HariRam RamHere are simple, clear and very easy words spoken in Hindi bySwamiji -"Sabse pehle sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hoon. Ek baar saralhriday se dridhta poorvak sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hihoon. Jab aap bhagwaan ke ho to aapko unki smriti ke liye kuch karnahi nahin padega. Aapki har kriya unki pooja hogi."Meager attempt at translating these simple words -"First of all, accept that I am Bhagwaan's (I belong to God). Justonce, with a simple, straight forward heart, accept with a firmconviction, that I am only Bhagwaan's (I belong to only God). Whenyou become Bhagwaan's then you will have to do absolutely nothingfor His rememberance. All your activities will become His worship."Now the Panchamrit (Five Golden Principles) just happens on it'sown -1) I am only God's2) I reside in His kingdom only3) I do His work (good and auspicious) only4) I receive only His prasad (blessing/offering)5) With the prasad received from Him, I serve only His family.Now what will cause you to forgot Bhagwaan (God)? When you becomesomeone's do you have to remember you belong to them? Do you haveto recite at night I belong to Him, I belong to Him, I belong toHim? Do you have to study to remind yourself, since I belong to myBeloved, I must cook and do other work for Him? Do you have toremind yourself that since I belong to Him, I must take care of Hischildren? and so on?Become Bhagwaan's (God's) ONLY ONCE !!!! .... says Swamiji... Magicfollows... undoubtedly.Meera DasRam Ram---------------------------In India we are lucky to have amongst us God realised souls who areshowing others the path to salvation. These gurus by shunningworldly comforts and possessions are showing us the way. Once werealise that every thing that we see is maya or illusion and thatthe only truth is the Soul or Atma within each of us whose only goalis to unite with the Parmatma, we can attain salvation. What we aretoday is the result of our past karmas but we can control what wewill become through through the result of our present karmas. So ifwe follow the right path of sewa or helping others, satsang orseeking the company of good people, sadhna or spiritual practicesand dhyan or meditation to connect with our Soul then we will be onthe right path.Hari Shanker Deo--------------------------Thank You Narinder Bhandariji. I bow to YOU and The Krishnarejoicing your Rejoice.Respects.Naga Narayana----------------------------Dear Sadaks,One says Salvation/Mukthi is always there. Another point said thatyou that Sat Chit and Anandham. Then why one has to suffer? Becausereason1) One knows not to tell lies, but says- Mind level.2) One knows drinking alcohol is wrong, but drinks -Body level.3) One knows that he has to Sadhana, but does not do, intellectlevel.These 3 are called Trikarna Sudhi (Clealiness of body mind andintellect) How to achieve it? By guidance - God/Guru. SalvationMukthi is there, but one is not living in it as the qualities arenot there. A person with eye sight is unable to read. But then heneeds spectacles. So the body, mind and intellect is not in form, itis spoilt. He needs Gyan (Spectacle) to see within (Athuman) hisswaroop.He gets from Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh. Until then he does notrealize that he is easily reachable to God/Salvation/Mukthi. That iswhy without Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh he undergoes birth afterbirth. The man who obtained Gyan knows preyty well that his Swaroopis itself divine and because of curtain of Maya he lost valuablelife time.What is wrong in learning from the saint's teachings? In fact theirteaching are there for one to follow. Otherwise those historiescould not have been written. In fact it is easy to follow a saintpath to reach God faster. Saints showed easy methods that could makeone realize.There were so many disciples who followed the instructions of theirGuru and obtained Mukthi. Example: Sant Ekanath. In Kaliyug it isdifficult for man to read scriptures/Sanskrit Etc and then know thepath. In Srimath Bagavath says in Kaliyug Namasankeerthan is enoughto get liberated. Each yuga Dharma is there in Scripts. If someonetells me easy and quick and fast way to reach Badrinath, what iswrong in following his advise. So are Bakthas who guides us. Just bypresenting a flower Mala daily with faith and love to God a saint(Vishnu Chithar) says it will pave path to Vaikunt. It seems easybut if one tries that somewhere or other he fails in timely pooja orloose a day without, or gets stuck to some business or occupied in afamily function Etc. So sincerity, faith, love towards God settingaside even a great need of family produces realization. Sadaks, manyof us go temple say certain day Friday/Saterday. How punctual are we?Hiranyakasipu and Prahald had argument where is GOD. Prahald said HEis everywhere. His father asked is HE in this pillar. Prahaladsays, "Drusyate" (Yes I see God). His father says "Nah Durshyate" (Ican not see HIM). Why? One has Gyan the other has Agyan. ThoughParamathuma there , one could see and other could not see. Most ofus are still in Agyan. Here Guru was Prahalad who showed GOd andHiranyakasipu obtained Mukthi.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam RamDear Pawanji, Swamiji has said that such experience of the presenceof God, the rememberance of God, your Beloved One by truesentiments, is only possible by one's own Self. Not by mind/intellect and not by trying to remember. It is only when thislonging is by the Self, that it happens on it's own simply,naturally, and involuntarily (Swabhavik). Swamiji says this is soinnate that it happens even in one's sleep. Rather it happensnaturally all the time. Intense attachment and longing for God -round the clock. It is not about "doing" but simply "being". Itsimply and naturally "IS". Absolutely nothing has to be done toremember our Beloved One.Just like when our Beloved is going to arrive by train, and we havenot seen him for a long time and we are waiting at the railwaystation for Him, and we feel the anxiety, the longing - When will myBeloved come? When will I see Him? How much longer will it be beforeour eyes meet? This anticipation, this longing is so intense thatone simply cannot wait even a moment. It is consuming ! Just thatone thought.. when will I see my Beloved!Just like when we are intensely thirsty and are consumed with thethought of a sip of water. Do you have such enthusiasm? Such drive?Such Zeal? Such Intensity? Such Sentiments to meet Your Beloved One,God? - asks SwamijiMeera DasRam Ram-----------------------------Krishna and His songThe Heart,In longing painCries outKrishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!The Soul rejoices.The MindIn love's ecstasyBows at the feet of the BelovedThe Soul rejoices.And Krishna smiles,The flute rising to his lips.Ah! The symphony of the soundless sound,WhereThe seven disappear into the Light of lightsWhereTime disappears into TimelessnessAndThe Heart,In longing's painKeeps Crying outKrishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!AndThence comes the Lords song of songsThe Bhagavad geetha, ah !To assuage the hearts painAnd, the Minds thirst for Knowledge, and Lightaumnarinder bhandari-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGHari OmPawanji ! You have received sterling in sights in response to yourQs, the last one from Mira Dassji. Truth and only truth is there inher last message to you. If you just "accept" with a simple heartwhat she has so eloquently recommended to you, your search gets overeffortlessly, then and there !! Where can Paramatma hide when youstart with goal of BG 7:19? Can ice hidden behind ice ever remainhidden?Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B------------------------------Dear Sadhak,Why think to achieve salvation at the "end" ? It cannot be a futuregoal. It is HERE and NOW as stated by sadhak Narinderji.Only effort needed is to be present Here and Now with a deep longingto reach HIM. Now is the eternity zone. All spiritual practices likebreath control, name chanting, mala japa etc leads sadhak to remainin present moment.The whole world is nothing but an illusion, a web of our thinkingmind. When a sadhak practices living in here and now, he is out ofthe grip of his thinking mind and all doing becomes happenings."Sarva Dharma Paritjya, mamekam sharanam vrij"Gitaji. when sadhaksurrender to Krishna, he accept every moment As IT IS and remainssubmerged in the ocean of Love, Bliss and Peace.with Love,a sadhikaSadhna KarigarShri HariI am asking question due to my nature-Gita 5(14) & Gita 2(7) butbefore Gita 18(73) & because I know the truth-everything belongs toBhagwan, the essence, I say this but I do not believe the truth, theessence as i say in prayer written by Swami Shri RamsukhdasjiMaharaj.Meera Das & Pratap Bhatt has explained after Gita 18(73)Ram Ram----------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam RamSwamiji incessantly, relentlessly, persistently spokeabout "Vasudeva Sarvam"(All is God) in the final years in His mortal body. He repeated thismany times- PLEASE READ CAREFUL AND ACCEPT IMMEDIATELY! If there is noquestions ordoubts, then PLEASE ACCEPT RIGHT NOW!Swamiji said -Whatever is perceived with mind, speech, sight and other senses isonly God.Accept this immediately. The active, inactive, conscious, matter,[born of egg,sweat and sprouting from earth] - all are God and nothing else. Goodor bad,wicked or virtuous, all are God. There is nothing else besides God.He whowishes to attain God should accept this fact. As Shri JaydayaljiGoyandka usedto say that "Whatever is seen is God's divine form and whatever isexperiencedand activities undertaken is His divine play/pastime (lila).If you are very serious about your question, if you believe in Gita4:11 (thathowever a devotee worships Me, so do I approach them) and have anardent andintense longing to find the answer to this question, it does notmatter if it isat the end of life or not, SIMPLY FROM NOW ONWARDS - EVERYTHING YOUSEE ISBHAGWAAN'S SWAROOP (God's Divine Form) AND EVERYTHING YOUEXPERIENCE/DO IS HISLILA (Divine Play/Pastime).Now if a devotee worship Bhagwaan in this manner, where canBhagwaanji HIDE?Tell me one place he will not be? Tell me how at the end of thislife, end ofthis human body, He will not be there as Yamdoot (God of Death)?Tell me whereyou will need to go searching for this rare Devotee of God by true & heartfeltsentiments? If your sentiments are true and heartfelt, can you notaccept whatGita says and what Swamiji says that Bhagwaan (Vasudeva) iseverywhere, ineverything, in all that you see, think, feel, do, experience andmore, becausethere is only "Vasudeva" and this is clearly stated in the Gita 7:19and throughout the Gita in Chapter 11 and more!Do you have any further questions or doubts? Please bring them out!Meera DasRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sri Pawan kumarI remember the words of a man who is an ardent devotee of SriRamana. He used to say 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVENIF YOU DO NOT THINK OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE.Please contemplate on thatvrsarma poduryPRIOR POSTINGDear Sadhakas, Namaste!To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delayingsalvation" or he may not even need to ask. God would know all trueBhaktas' heartfelt desires for merging in Him.What I mean is the when you are in love with God, unconditionally,you wouldn't want to make loving Him as a means to the end(salvation). Such love or remembering God constantly is in itselfthe means and end, without duality even though on-lookers may feelBhagwaan and Bhakta as separate.I consider salvation as Moksha or liberation from a false senseof "me", non existent ego and establishment in Atman our true Self.Thus salvation is what we already are. If you remember Swamiji saysParamatma is already attained, how can you attain that whihc isattained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what we are, notwe will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.In attaining anything there is duality of someone who attains andsomething to be attained, not the case here in this Bhakti (lovingdevotion).Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa......Karishye tavachanam...."I remember my true Self now Lord, will do what you say".One lives free of "me" as Sat-Chit-Ananda only.In salavation no individual entity survives, it is livingimpersonally, as Intelligence, Love, Peace, Steadfastness! Karmasare done when needed without doer!Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt------------------------------Dear Sadhak,I am remember the boon of Kunti in Mahabharat.She requested LordKrishna to keep them in poverty so that she can remember almightyGod.Still however we should keep that spirit and in spite of alltroubles and our condition we should never avoid offering prayers atleast or twice.We should learn as to hoe to prayer.Please refer tomy book on 'Prayers of all Religions of the world. This is what IfeelTruly yoursShankerprasad S Bhatt--------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGSree Pratabji, Kindly bear with me for my mistake. Your goodnesssaid-- say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he havetime to ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living inSalvation?. Baktha is in constant thought of GOD that is why he hasfull time to askGOD why that HE is delaying salvation. Worldly man partly with Godhas time to ask GOD for his desires to be fullfilled one after theother until death. Such man Geetha has said Kamiyartha Baktha, whomGOD gives him long rope fulfilling his desires one after other, GODhoping he will become Jignasu. That hope of GOD is benovolence. Onceagain pardon me if I am wrong and enlighten me.Salvation is that I thought is attained stage, not living insalvation. Salvation is to be attained and not living in it. Meanstrying for salvation. Once salvation is attained there is nodesires. You are very right Sir.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------God is available only when we become His and remember His Gloriesand His name many times continuously, then and then we will feel Hispresence within your hearts. He will be seen but his presence willbe felt. This is how Mirabai, Narsinh Mehta and Chaitainya MahaPrabhu realized God.This is what I feel everyday while offering prayersTruly yoursS S Bhatt-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear Sadak,You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but inVeerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youRproblem ends.B.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explainedby Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh KumarPawan SinghalRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sadhaks ,The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Pathof a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on twodifferent points of time , are given below. Both are related .In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated asfollows :1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never havebeen ( and , can never be )otherwise .2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answersare available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); itis ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be knownat a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available toThe Knower of the Self by Existence .3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). Itis always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.4.The sense of Doership disappears .5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power-----not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......to transform the seeker ).7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, wewere already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( weshall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is theTest ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basicprinciples shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remainBlissful, and Peaceful .8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , withthe intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . Theshortest Way.No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition ofones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way toLight is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but yourwillingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truthof Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It isalready present in YOU, You are already That .ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )-------------For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union withthat great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on thesacred Path of love and Light.2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personalexperience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in thatexperience.4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Graceand yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any morerunning away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. ExistencesPlay , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part ofExistential Play and Doing5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is theKnowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strivefor Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scripturesspeak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seekingheart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is tojudge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movementof the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses todie to the self , to realise the Self.the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.Narinder bhandariAUM----------------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previouspost!I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time toask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?I say this to emphasize "remembering God and not expectinganything", just unconditional love for God goes a long way.No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilationof "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) haveno footing. "me" is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinlysay they are, to pay our respect!Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have differentapproaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired bysuch Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique intheir own way is the proof of different expressions of the sametruth.Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGQ: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for AttainingSalvation?Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are nosentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.Remembering The God is another myth.Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataractin terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of itshinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of theignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception andexperience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist fortheir approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is sostrong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealedhere!Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishadsmake it very clear:Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such aslistening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of theself-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects aswell as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far asthere is insistence for seeing everything through the lens ofcognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what itsees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmittedmay not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatialboundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The imagesensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien toeach other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality isfutile in the first place.But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest tobe attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort ofseeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever couldjust escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fearscocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one couldjust drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for everyone!Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanumswaam ||Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which isThe You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at yourdeath, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT revealsitself within and around.Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannadaequivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefitfrom,Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.Grossly, it means,How can there be a sense of existence without something beingwithin?The being within remains "as is" NOT seeking anything.How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can everattain That?Understand that you can attain the one within by just being withinseeking nothing.Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strengthwithin to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality inhis revelation on "Bhagavattattva" (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop AntahKarana (intrinsic awareness).2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innateawareness).3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in thisregard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar hegenerously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is beingcurrently circulated.Respects.Naga Narayana------------------------------Hari OmPawanji ! You "become" of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practicea wife "becomes" of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simpleheart: I am of the God, only God is mine.Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The "karta"(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have becomeGodly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God isthat which "happens" effortlessly and which is not "done" .Look at the status today. We "have to" think/remember about God,while thinking/remembering about the world "happens automatically".Why? Because at "subtle ego level" we continue to be of world. Hencethoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the worldonly , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experienceproblems in concentrating.CHANGE YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" ! Thereuponbhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will "haveto be done"!As simple as that !Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B------------------------------Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God sothat we can do many good things in life and we will be happy asposting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life withoutinterruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the postingof all sadhakRam Rampawan singhal--------------------------------Shree HariRam RamPawanji, kindly post "sixteen powers by God" as separate question.From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram RamPRIOR POSTINGPriy sadhakIn my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in everylittle bit of action happening in & around U.Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?Like breathing.Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.Can U do all this?Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our lifewithout interruption and without any noise. also without showing anyehsan.Doesnt it make u believe & love god?If yes love moreif no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.Sorry if I hurt U.I didnt mean it.thanxRaja Gurdasani------------------------Dear Sadaks,Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress andasked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songswere Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was withSri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they werehighly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left anatom of thought any part of their life that they are already insalvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is nottracable.But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares forfood. Those great men we recognised them as "Chitta Braman", (metalyhandicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes theywill be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear Pawan Kumar ji,I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.Love is God.God is Love.Love allServe all.See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who isgiven this blessed Birth.Think GoodSee GoodHear GoodDo Good.Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , sothank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIScreation.By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice iswith you but to do this you always need the blessings of thatSupreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path ofsalvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIMto decide.It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.One need to have a strong determination and go step by step anddrop by drop you can fill the ocean.I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any wayWith Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal LoveKAMLESH KUMARHELP EVER HURT NEVERLOVE ALL SERVE ALLHAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAYKamlesh Kumar------------------------------Dear Sadhakas, namaste!Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When "I" whoexpect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to beone and the same, salvation has happened.In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desireanything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,Beauty, Harmony, Joy!Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object ofdesire!when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, "I" alsoend at the same time, not later!See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt----------------------------Dear Sadak,pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over andif you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, "Aninya Chitayayome", meansconstant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Yourresponsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HISresponsibility takes over.This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE willliberate HIS baktha in same birth.Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, makinggarlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listeningscriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleepand practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lightinglamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walkingaround HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri KrishanayaVasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In allmoments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------Dear Sadhak,Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form ofhuman being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 milliondifferent forms of births. If we know we will always remember Himbecause we are obligated to HimSecondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us somesixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life andwe will be happy.Shankerprasad S Bhatt----------------------------We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritualpractices will definitely lead us in the right direction.Hari Shanker Deo-------------------------------SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.See God in All. God in you is the God in All.Serve All.Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing toserve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice isyours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.- "Aninya Chitayayome", means constant thought on ME, that soul I(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha insame birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living inSalvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruptionand without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we areeternally obligated to Bhagwaan- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed.- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannotwithold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptionalreality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty inrealizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.Remain "as is" NOT seeking anything. Simply be!Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsicawareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti toremain in The Tattva … The Absolute- Become of "Paramatma", then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'has become of God. Our problem is that at "subtle ego level" wecontinue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.Change YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" !- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditionallove for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) leadto anhilation of "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger,jealousy, etc) have no footing.- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.- living in the present, Now and here.- sense of Doership disappears- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.- Words become Fewer- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. MinimumDiscussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone'sBeing ( SEE 1 Above ),- and finally... drop all Knowledge- longing for God is Existence Gift- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to theself , torealise the Self. when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.- 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINKOF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE-------------------------GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE -1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible..3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to theextent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. 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Shree Hari... Pending queue clean up today...few extra emails. Ram Ram--------------------------------I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentimentswhich is rare but is somewhere -Gita 7(19).God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4(11). My message is how can I think of God & remember God by truesentiments so that i can get salvation at the end at least as perGita 8(5).pawan kumar singhalRam Ram-------------------------------NEW POSTINGShri HariI belong to God -I accepted it first of all. One could see who has gyan & othercould not see who has agyan.I and my-ness is main obstacle which i find difficult to conquer to getpeace(Gita 2.71). I am trying as sadhak.Ram Rampawan singhal------------------

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I am devotee of God and have never had doubts of his existence. I attain God this way. I put in different places little post it notes, Please do not let me forget You even for a moment, I say He Naath, He Mere Naath, I think on Bagwaan, Paramatma and Vasudev Sarvam all times. I use prayer of Oh Father let me never forget you even for a moment, oh Compassionate One, let Your sweet memory be always with me.Oh kind hearted my Father, my Master there is no one else, let me not forget you even in my dreams,while walking, eating, sleeping let me only think of You.In whatever I do let me always think of You.Your sweet, sweet memories ever remain.Please grace me with this remembrance.. whatever work that is being done yet in my heart, in my mind there is only God. Please I lie at your lotus feet entreating let not even a moment pass without me remembering you, let me think of you every second, HE NAATH HE MERE NAATH Let me never forget, let me remember all times...

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Hari OmPawanji. Why you should consider some thing to be difficult to conquer? What is the difficulty?What is yours? A thing/body over which you have no independent control , can that be yours? By what yardstick you consider some thing/body to be yours? A thing/body which was not yours in the past, not going to be yours in the future, at present also it is constantly drifting away from you, how that thing can be yours? Where is the difficulty in understanding this simple fact?Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B ---

 

 

 

Dear sadaks,I first beg pardon from Sri Pratabji. Sri Pratabji, Sri Vyasji, Sri Mikeji, and all those NAMES mentioned by Sri Vyasji are one of Paramathuma` s and not differant. Only names divides to produce sounds. Sri Pratabji, it is not me who implied on you. Where is you or me? We are one and the same as said by you. Sri Pratabji you have answered in your posting. That is, ""We make such statements as "until you realize Self or Paramatman, you are in Maya, bondage! But I say until you choose to remain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" I knew you will precisely answer and only in that sense I requested you.One more clarification from sadaks on the above line,""until you choose to remain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" Does Maya bind us or we are binded by Maya. That is, "is Maya making us to be bonded or are we getting ourselves into Maya" Some sadak has written about Naradhji getting monkey face because he said he won Maya. Maya has played with Paramathuma when HE decended to earth as Badrinarayana, and with Bagavan Shiva and Maya lost & went back in shame.""Swamiji means what he said "Paramatman is already attained", is a statement of fact we need to discover for ourselves!"" promtly said by SriPratabji Bagavan said in Geetha that line, ""Aneka Samshidayah-------". That man does attain me in one of the several births."" which means that man already attained, but when is the question (Time factor).Dear Sadaks, kindly enlighten me on the line starting with ""Name Baktha-----"" said in Geetha. Please be precise in answer with a story example if possible.Namaste to Sri Pratabji and all other sadaks.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan

--------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear sadak, (pawan singhal )Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind nature to be inconstant search. Search of worldly matters and things/ Or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically diverse from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan--------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Sri Pratab Bhatt says, To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delaying salvation" or he maynot even need to ask. God would know all true Bhaktas' heartfelt desires formerging in Him."" But Swamiji saidGoswamiji has said `Lord, give me your devotion and free me of desires, angerand faults'. Only `Give me your devotion as that alone will suffice.' 3rd March,2009, Tuesday Falgun Shukla Panchami, Vikram Samvat 2065, MangalvarSri Pratab I know he will have answer for SadhaksJai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Sri Pratabji thus said so is absolutely correct, Thus salvation is what wealready are. If you remember Swamiji says Paramatma is already attained, how canyou attain that which is attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is whatwe are, not we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.Now the question comes from ordinary men. -1) I am fraud, doing all underhand dealings, I cheat people and bank or evennation, I know how bad I am. Sir, you are telling me that I already attainedParamathuma .2) Politician said, I know what I am doing and Sir you call me I attainedParamathuma. Don’t be kidding.3) Student said, I have to achieve so much in life Sir you say I attainedParamathuma.4) Householder said, I have to get my children married and see that they getsettled, don’t be joking I attained Paramathuma.What Swamiji said was also correct. Then where came the difference?Human alone is blessed with such a body and intellect that can discriminate goodand bad, body and the soul, jeeva and paramathuma. Now a boy is told that he isfit to become doctor. He studies hard and gets Degree as a doctor. He did notknow he can become doctor until told. He then studied well and became doctoronly on listening to advisor (Guru). So Swamiji shares the teachings of the Gitaand scriptures saying human has in built capacity and ability to attain God.Which means that one need not fear that he cannot attain GOD, as he has allprovisions to attain God. But human does not know this power within is there.Now take animals they don't have that power to attain God, except in exceptionalcases. Animals have to raise to human level to attain God. Referance; KapilaGeetha told by Bagavan to Deva Hoothi. Even devatas, Indra etc are to take humanbirth and get salvation says Vedas. This valuable life gift (Godliness) isattained, but unaware of the birth of a human birth gift obtained by passingthrough various birth from tree to animals. Misuse this birth and go back to a worm in a dust bin says Vivekachudamani. Narayana Batadri a famous sant ofGuruvayuralso wrote that the human body is invaluable gift, if misused one takesbirth as animals. Referance: Srimath Narayiniyam. Bagavan in Geetha also said,"Aneka Jalma Samshidayaha-----" Gyan is that you now accept that you are in aattained position of Paramathuma. Vig (Scientifically- Science of Creation) isapplied to Gyan and one becomes Vig Gyani where by he can never ever commitmistake after becoming so. A Gyani has committed mistake but Vig Gyani does not.Best Example: Adi Sankara was Gyani but his Gyan was incomplete, until BagavanShiva came in disguise as Chandala with 4 dogs in street of Kasi and gave VigGyan. Referance : Manisha Panchakam.Sri Pratabji wrote that "Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa. .....Karishyetavachanam.. .."I remember my true Self now Lord, I will do what you say".So every human needs Sri Krishna. the Guru to say these, then he will say, Iremember my true self until then he is in maya.Sadaks, body is a vital tool to attain Paramathuma. Bhramaji was jealous inheaven when he saw Sri Krishna eating along with his friends in Vridavan, onefeeding each other. He thought what a gift to be a child in Vrindavan along withSri Krishna. My post is useless. Devas and devathas where still more jealous andit would have best to be a calf or cow there rather than in this Bog lok wastingtime.Sadaks we are blessed to be in human form on earth to the extent to serve SriKrishna in Pooja, in making Mala, in giving HIM fruits, in prostrating at hisfeet, in singing HIS songs, in seeing HIM blissfully. This NO ONE else in 13Loks can do. Referance : Sants of Panderpur, Shenayi, Chota Mela, Sakubai etc.and also written in Gyanapaana of the great sant who flew to Vaikunt by PuspakaViman in 1650 at Malapuram in public view Sant Sri Poothanam.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------False asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti) Said Sri pawan singhal.How many times happiness came and gone?. How many times unhappiness came andgone? It will come and go, so be aware of this truth.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariI accept Gita 7(19) that God is everywhere and in everything but Ican not realise God due to lack of understanding of Gita 18(48) & false asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti).I am trying to make relationship with self but in vain. Other way isonly to meet the devotee of God in physical form as guided in Gita 4(34). I realise swamiji as Giani -Gita 4(34) & take benefit tillassociation with Him. Now I am trying those benefit through group that is insant satsang. I have already requested tosadhakas of this group but in vain.I believe in association of great soul in physical form to getspiritual guidance as I feel with Swamiji at Rishikesh & Kolkatta.Please assist me to meet divine sadhaka & other realised greatsoul/Giani/devotee of Godpawan singhalRam Ram----------------------------NEW POSTINGShri HariLonging is by the Self is answer of my question as explained byMeera Das. I request to Sh. Meera Das & all sadhaks please explainHow it will happen? I can only pray to God. I am helpless.Ram Rampawan singhal------------------------Shree HariRam RamHere are simple, clear and very easy words spoken in Hindi bySwamiji -"Sabse pehle sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hoon. Ek baar saralhriday se dridhta poorvak sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hihoon. Jab aap bhagwaan ke ho to aapko unki smriti ke liye kuch karnahi nahin padega. Aapki har kriya unki pooja hogi."Meager attempt at translating these simple words -"First of all, accept that I am Bhagwaan's (I belong to God). Justonce, with a simple, straight forward heart, accept with a firmconviction, that I am only Bhagwaan's (I belong to only God). Whenyou become Bhagwaan's then you will have to do absolutely nothingfor His rememberance. All your activities will become His worship."Now the Panchamrit (Five Golden Principles) just happens on it'sown -1) I am only God's2) I reside in His kingdom only3) I do His work (good and auspicious) only4) I receive only His prasad (blessing/offering)5) With the prasad received from Him, I serve only His family.Now what will cause you to forgot Bhagwaan (God)? When you becomesomeone's do you have to remember you belong to them? Do you haveto recite at night I belong to Him, I belong to Him, I belong toHim? Do you have to study to remind yourself, since I belong to myBeloved, I must cook and do other work for Him? Do you have toremind yourself that since I belong to Him, I must take care of Hischildren? and so on?Become Bhagwaan's (God's) ONLY ONCE !!!! .... says Swamiji... Magicfollows... undoubtedly.Meera DasRam Ram---------------------------In India we are lucky to have amongst us God realised souls who areshowing others the path to salvation. These gurus by shunningworldly comforts and possessions are showing us the way. Once werealise that every thing that we see is maya or illusion and thatthe only truth is the Soul or Atma within each of us whose only goalis to unite with the Parmatma, we can attain salvation. What we aretoday is the result of our past karmas but we can control what wewill become through through the result of our present karmas. So ifwe follow the right path of sewa or helping others, satsang orseeking the company of good people, sadhna or spiritual practicesand dhyan or meditation to connect with our Soul then we will be onthe right path.Hari Shanker Deo--------------------------Thank You Narinder Bhandariji. I bow to YOU and The Krishnarejoicing your Rejoice.Respects.Naga Narayana----------------------------Dear Sadaks,One says Salvation/Mukthi is always there. Another point said thatyou that Sat Chit and Anandham. Then why one has to suffer? Becausereason1) One knows not to tell lies, but says- Mind level.2) One knows drinking alcohol is wrong, but drinks -Body level.3) One knows that he has to Sadhana, but does not do, intellectlevel.These 3 are called Trikarna Sudhi (Clealiness of body mind andintellect) How to achieve it? By guidance - God/Guru. SalvationMukthi is there, but one is not living in it as the qualities arenot there. A person with eye sight is unable to read. But then heneeds spectacles. So the body, mind and intellect is not in form, itis spoilt. He needs Gyan (Spectacle) to see within (Athuman) hisswaroop.He gets from Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh. Until then he does notrealize that he is easily reachable to God/Salvation/Mukthi. That iswhy without Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh he undergoes birth afterbirth. The man who obtained Gyan knows preyty well that his Swaroopis itself divine and because of curtain of Maya he lost valuablelife time.What is wrong in learning from the saint's teachings? In fact theirteaching are there for one to follow. Otherwise those historiescould not have been written. In fact it is easy to follow a saintpath to reach God faster. Saints showed easy methods that could makeone realize.There were so many disciples who followed the instructions of theirGuru and obtained Mukthi. Example: Sant Ekanath. In Kaliyug it isdifficult for man to read scriptures/Sanskrit Etc and then know thepath. In Srimath Bagavath says in Kaliyug Namasankeerthan is enoughto get liberated. Each yuga Dharma is there in Scripts. If someonetells me easy and quick and fast way to reach Badrinath, what iswrong in following his advise. So are Bakthas who guides us. Just bypresenting a flower Mala daily with faith and love to God a saint(Vishnu Chithar) says it will pave path to Vaikunt. It seems easybut if one tries that somewhere or other he fails in timely pooja orloose a day without, or gets stuck to some business or occupied in afamily function Etc. So sincerity, faith, love towards God settingaside even a great need of family produces realization. Sadaks, manyof us go temple say certain day Friday/Saterday. How punctual are we?Hiranyakasipu and Prahald had argument where is GOD. Prahald said HEis everywhere. His father asked is HE in this pillar. Prahaladsays, "Drusyate" (Yes I see God). His father says "Nah Durshyate" (Ican not see HIM). Why? One has Gyan the other has Agyan. ThoughParamathuma there , one could see and other could not see. Most ofus are still in Agyan. Here Guru was Prahalad who showed GOd andHiranyakasipu obtained Mukthi.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam RamDear Pawanji, Swamiji has said that such experience of the presenceof God, the rememberance of God, your Beloved One by truesentiments, is only possible by one's own Self. Not by mind/intellect and not by trying to remember. It is only when thislonging is by the Self, that it happens on it's own simply,naturally, and involuntarily (Swabhavik). Swamiji says this is soinnate that it happens even in one's sleep. Rather it happensnaturally all the time. Intense attachment and longing for God -round the clock. It is not about "doing" but simply "being". Itsimply and naturally "IS". Absolutely nothing has to be done toremember our Beloved One.Just like when our Beloved is going to arrive by train, and we havenot seen him for a long time and we are waiting at the railwaystation for Him, and we feel the anxiety, the longing - When will myBeloved come? When will I see Him? How much longer will it be beforeour eyes meet? This anticipation, this longing is so intense thatone simply cannot wait even a moment. It is consuming ! Just thatone thought.. when will I see my Beloved!Just like when we are intensely thirsty and are consumed with thethought of a sip of water. Do you have such enthusiasm? Such drive?Such Zeal? Such Intensity? Such Sentiments to meet Your Beloved One,God? - asks SwamijiMeera DasRam Ram-----------------------------Krishna and His songThe Heart,In longing painCries outKrishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!The Soul rejoices.The MindIn love's ecstasyBows at the feet of the BelovedThe Soul rejoices.And Krishna smiles,The flute rising to his lips.Ah! The symphony of the soundless sound,WhereThe seven disappear into the Light of lightsWhereTime disappears into TimelessnessAndThe Heart,In longing's painKeeps Crying outKrishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!AndThence comes the Lords song of songsThe Bhagavad geetha, ah !To assuage the hearts painAnd, the Minds thirst for Knowledge, and Lightaumnarinder bhandari-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGHari OmPawanji ! You have received sterling in sights in response to yourQs, the last one from Mira Dassji. Truth and only truth is there inher last message to you. If you just "accept" with a simple heartwhat she has so eloquently recommended to you, your search gets overeffortlessly, then and there !! Where can Paramatma hide when youstart with goal of BG 7:19? Can ice hidden behind ice ever remainhidden?Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B------------------------------Dear Sadhak,Why think to achieve salvation at the "end" ? It cannot be a futuregoal. It is HERE and NOW as stated by sadhak Narinderji.Only effort needed is to be present Here and Now with a deep longingto reach HIM. Now is the eternity zone. All spiritual practices likebreath control, name chanting, mala japa etc leads sadhak to remainin present moment.The whole world is nothing but an illusion, a web of our thinkingmind. When a sadhak practices living in here and now, he is out ofthe grip of his thinking mind and all doing becomes happenings."Sarva Dharma Paritjya, mamekam sharanam vrij"Gitaji. when sadhaksurrender to Krishna, he accept every moment As IT IS and remainssubmerged in the ocean of Love, Bliss and Peace.with Love,a sadhikaSadhna KarigarShri HariI am asking question due to my nature-Gita 5(14) & Gita 2(7) butbefore Gita 18(73) & because I know the truth-everything belongs toBhagwan, the essence, I say this but I do not believe the truth, theessence as i say in prayer written by Swami Shri RamsukhdasjiMaharaj.Meera Das & Pratap Bhatt has explained after Gita 18(73)Ram Ram----------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam RamSwamiji incessantly, relentlessly, persistently spokeabout "Vasudeva Sarvam"(All is God) in the final years in His mortal body. He repeated thismany times- PLEASE READ CAREFUL AND ACCEPT IMMEDIATELY! If there is noquestions ordoubts, then PLEASE ACCEPT RIGHT NOW!Swamiji said -Whatever is perceived with mind, speech, sight and other senses isonly God.Accept this immediately. The active, inactive, conscious, matter,[born of egg,sweat and sprouting from earth] - all are God and nothing else. Goodor bad,wicked or virtuous, all are God. There is nothing else besides God.He whowishes to attain God should accept this fact. As Shri JaydayaljiGoyandka usedto say that "Whatever is seen is God's divine form and whatever isexperiencedand activities undertaken is His divine play/pastime (lila).If you are very serious about your question, if you believe in Gita4:11 (thathowever a devotee worships Me, so do I approach them) and have anardent andintense longing to find the answer to this question, it does notmatter if it isat the end of life or not, SIMPLY FROM NOW ONWARDS - EVERYTHING YOUSEE ISBHAGWAAN'S SWAROOP (God's Divine Form) AND EVERYTHING YOUEXPERIENCE/DO IS HISLILA (Divine Play/Pastime).Now if a devotee worship Bhagwaan in this manner, where canBhagwaanji HIDE?Tell me one place he will not be? Tell me how at the end of thislife, end ofthis human body, He will not be there as Yamdoot (God of Death)?Tell me whereyou will need to go searching for this rare Devotee of God by true & heartfeltsentiments? If your sentiments are true and heartfelt, can you notaccept whatGita says and what Swamiji says that Bhagwaan (Vasudeva) iseverywhere, ineverything, in all that you see, think, feel, do, experience andmore, becausethere is only "Vasudeva" and this is clearly stated in the Gita 7:19and throughout the Gita in Chapter 11 and more!Do you have any further questions or doubts? Please bring them out!Meera DasRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sri Pawan kumarI remember the words of a man who is an ardent devotee of SriRamana. He used to say 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVENIF YOU DO NOT THINK OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE.Please contemplate on thatvrsarma poduryPRIOR POSTINGDear Sadhakas, Namaste!To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delayingsalvation" or he may not even need to ask. God would know all trueBhaktas' heartfelt desires for merging in Him.What I mean is the when you are in love with God, unconditionally,you wouldn't want to make loving Him as a means to the end(salvation). Such love or remembering God constantly is in itselfthe means and end, without duality even though on-lookers may feelBhagwaan and Bhakta as separate.I consider salvation as Moksha or liberation from a false senseof "me", non existent ego and establishment in Atman our true Self.Thus salvation is what we already are. If you remember Swamiji saysParamatma is already attained, how can you attain that whihc isattained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what we are, notwe will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.In attaining anything there is duality of someone who attains andsomething to be attained, not the case here in this Bhakti (lovingdevotion).Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa......Karishye tavachanam...."I remember my true Self now Lord, will do what you say".One lives free of "me" as Sat-Chit-Ananda only.In salavation no individual entity survives, it is livingimpersonally, as Intelligence, Love, Peace, Steadfastness! Karmasare done when needed without doer!Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt------------------------------Dear Sadhak,I am remember the boon of Kunti in Mahabharat.She requested LordKrishna to keep them in poverty so that she can remember almightyGod.Still however we should keep that spirit and in spite of alltroubles and our condition we should never avoid offering prayers atleast or twice.We should learn as to hoe to prayer.Please refer tomy book on 'Prayers of all Religions of the world. This is what IfeelTruly yoursShankerprasad S Bhatt--------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGSree Pratabji, Kindly bear with me for my mistake. Your goodnesssaid-- say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he havetime to ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living inSalvation?. Baktha is in constant thought of GOD that is why he hasfull time to askGOD why that HE is delaying salvation. Worldly man partly with Godhas time to ask GOD for his desires to be fullfilled one after theother until death. Such man Geetha has said Kamiyartha Baktha, whomGOD gives him long rope fulfilling his desires one after other, GODhoping he will become Jignasu. That hope of GOD is benovolence. Onceagain pardon me if I am wrong and enlighten me.Salvation is that I thought is attained stage, not living insalvation. Salvation is to be attained and not living in it. Meanstrying for salvation. Once salvation is attained there is nodesires. You are very right Sir.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------God is available only when we become His and remember His Gloriesand His name many times continuously, then and then we will feel Hispresence within your hearts. He will be seen but his presence willbe felt. This is how Mirabai, Narsinh Mehta and Chaitainya MahaPrabhu realized God.This is what I feel everyday while offering prayersTruly yoursS S Bhatt-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear Sadak,You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but inVeerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youRproblem ends.B.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explainedby Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh KumarPawan SinghalRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sadhaks ,The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Pathof a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on twodifferent points of time , are given below. Both are related .In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated asfollows :1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never havebeen ( and , can never be )otherwise .2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answersare available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); itis ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be knownat a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available toThe Knower of the Self by Existence .3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). Itis always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.4.The sense of Doership disappears .5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power-----not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......to transform the seeker ).7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, wewere already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( weshall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is theTest ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basicprinciples shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remainBlissful, and Peaceful .8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , withthe intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . Theshortest Way.No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition ofones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way toLight is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but yourwillingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truthof Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It isalready present in YOU, You are already That .ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )-------------For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union withthat great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on thesacred Path of love and Light.2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personalexperience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in thatexperience.4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Graceand yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any morerunning away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. ExistencesPlay , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part ofExistential Play and Doing5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is theKnowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strivefor Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scripturesspeak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seekingheart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is tojudge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movementof the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses todie to the self , to realise the Self.the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.Narinder bhandariAUM----------------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previouspost!I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time toask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?I say this to emphasize "remembering God and not expectinganything", just unconditional love for God goes a long way.No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilationof "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) haveno footing. "me" is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinlysay they are, to pay our respect!Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have differentapproaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired bysuch Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique intheir own way is the proof of different expressions of the sametruth.Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGQ: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for AttainingSalvation?Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are nosentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.Remembering The God is another myth.Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataractin terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of itshinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of theignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception andexperience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist fortheir approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is sostrong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealedhere!Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishadsmake it very clear:Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such aslistening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of theself-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects aswell as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far asthere is insistence for seeing everything through the lens ofcognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what itsees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmittedmay not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatialboundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The imagesensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien toeach other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality isfutile in the first place.But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest tobe attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort ofseeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever couldjust escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fearscocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one couldjust drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for everyone!Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanumswaam ||Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which isThe You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at yourdeath, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT revealsitself within and around.Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannadaequivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefitfrom,Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.Grossly, it means,How can there be a sense of existence without something beingwithin?The being within remains "as is" NOT seeking anything.How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can everattain That?Understand that you can attain the one within by just being withinseeking nothing.Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strengthwithin to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality inhis revelation on "Bhagavattattva" (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop AntahKarana (intrinsic awareness).2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innateawareness).3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in thisregard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar hegenerously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is beingcurrently circulated.Respects.Naga Narayana------------------------------Hari OmPawanji ! You "become" of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practicea wife "becomes" of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simpleheart: I am of the God, only God is mine.Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The "karta"(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have becomeGodly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God isthat which "happens" effortlessly and which is not "done" .Look at the status today. We "have to" think/remember about God,while thinking/remembering about the world "happens automatically".Why? Because at "subtle ego level" we continue to be of world. Hencethoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the worldonly , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experienceproblems in concentrating.CHANGE YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" ! Thereuponbhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will "haveto be done"!As simple as that !Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B------------------------------Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God sothat we can do many good things in life and we will be happy asposting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life withoutinterruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the postingof all sadhakRam Rampawan singhal--------------------------------Shree HariRam RamPawanji, kindly post "sixteen powers by God" as separate question.From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram RamPRIOR POSTINGPriy sadhakIn my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in everylittle bit of action happening in & around U.Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?Like breathing.Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.Can U do all this?Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our lifewithout interruption and without any noise. also without showing anyehsan.Doesnt it make u believe & love god?If yes love moreif no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.Sorry if I hurt U.I didnt mean it.thanxRaja Gurdasani------------------------Dear Sadaks,Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress andasked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songswere Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was withSri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they werehighly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left anatom of thought any part of their life that they are already insalvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is nottracable.But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares forfood. Those great men we recognised them as "Chitta Braman", (metalyhandicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes theywill be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear Pawan Kumar ji,I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.Love is God.God is Love.Love allServe all.See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who isgiven this blessed Birth.Think GoodSee GoodHear GoodDo Good.Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , sothank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIScreation.By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice iswith you but to do this you always need the blessings of thatSupreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path ofsalvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIMto decide.It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.One need to have a strong determination and go step by step anddrop by drop you can fill the ocean.I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any wayWith Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal LoveKAMLESH KUMARHELP EVER HURT NEVERLOVE ALL SERVE ALLHAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAYKamlesh Kumar------------------------------Dear Sadhakas, namaste!Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When "I" whoexpect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to beone and the same, salvation has happened.In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desireanything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,Beauty, Harmony, Joy!Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object ofdesire!when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, "I" alsoend at the same time, not later!See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt----------------------------Dear Sadak,pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over andif you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, "Aninya Chitayayome", meansconstant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Yourresponsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HISresponsibility takes over.This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE willliberate HIS baktha in same birth.Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, makinggarlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listeningscriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleepand practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lightinglamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walkingaround HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri KrishanayaVasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In allmoments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------Dear Sadhak,Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form ofhuman being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 milliondifferent forms of births. If we know we will always remember Himbecause we are obligated to HimSecondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us somesixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life andwe will be happy.Shankerprasad S Bhatt----------------------------We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritualpractices will definitely lead us in the right direction.Hari Shanker Deo-------------------------------SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.See God in All. God in you is the God in All.Serve All.Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing toserve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice isyours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.- "Aninya Chitayayome", means constant thought on ME, that soul I(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha insame birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living inSalvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruptionand without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we areeternally obligated to Bhagwaan- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed.- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannotwithold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptionalreality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty inrealizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.Remain "as is" NOT seeking anything. Simply be!Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsicawareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti toremain in The Tattva … The Absolute- Become of "Paramatma", then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'has become of God. Our problem is that at "subtle ego level" wecontinue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.Change YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" !- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditionallove for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) leadto anhilation of "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger,jealousy, etc) have no footing.- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.- living in the present, Now and here.- sense of Doership disappears- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.- Words become Fewer- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. MinimumDiscussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone'sBeing ( SEE 1 Above ),- and finally... drop all Knowledge- longing for God is Existence Gift- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to theself , torealise the Self. when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.- 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINKOF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE-------------------------GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE -1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible..3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to theextent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. 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Shree Hari... Pending queue clean up today...few extra emails. We would like to bring closure to this discussion topic at this time. Ram Ram--------------------------------I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments which is rare but is somewhere -Gita 7(19).God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4(11). My message is how can I think of God & remember God by true sentiments so that i can get salvation at the end at least as per Gita 8(5).pawan kumar singhalRam Ram-------------------------------NEW POSTINGShri HariI belong to God -I accepted it first of all. One could see who has gyan & other could not see who has agyan. I and my-ness is main obstacle which i find difficult to conquer to get peace(Gita 2.71). I am trying as sadhak.Ram Rampawan singhal------------------

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Thank you all for your insights and co-operation. On having satsang with devotees of Swamiji in Vrindavan (Shri Nawal Ram ji and consulting Shri Rameshji Maharaj by telephone), I learned the following -

 

Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind's nature to be in constant search. Search of worldly matters and things or Search of divinity. Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly on worldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce your activity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh, Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind will automatically divert from world to divinity to great extent. Once retired renounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takes place. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.

Jai Sri Krishna

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It is so divine to read message of Catherine to Sadhaks. Nothing more needs to be done. Nothing more needs to be known. Nothing more needs to be got. Such is the power in what she is practicing. You have caught the nerve of Satsanga- Sadhika Catherine. My pranaams to you.

Sathyanarainji ! Are you referring Sir to BG 9:31- Na me bhaktah pransyati? There Lord Krishna asks Arjuna to take a vow that there will never be a downfall of His devotee. He asks Arjuna to take oath !! Because Krishna ( God) can deviate fron His oath but not from the oath of His Bhakta, viz Arjuna. It is a guarantee of highest order by Paramatma to the Sadhaks. If you turn towards Me , you shall never fall thereafter ! Krishna had, before Mahabharat War had taken an oath that he shall not lift weapon in the war. When Bheesma Pitamah knew, then he took the oath that I will make Krishna lift the weapon. Krishna forgot about His oath and ensured that Bhishma Pitamah's oath is protected and lifted the wheel of a broken Ratha ( chariot) and ran after Bhisma. . Such is the God, Dear Sadhaks.

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Dear Sathyanarayanji, you need not beg pardon. We are exchanging our understanding on this wisdom platform! God is really playing by being us in our roles, I am sure of this as you are! I am not attached to what I share with sadhakas, and never insist it is the only truth! It has and is helping me to go deep within to feel the hidden, invisible Presence and put few words around it as if finger is pointing at Moon. Just as finger cannot touch the moon, mind cannot conceive the Presence, SELF! This may sound like bad news. but the good news is: since Self is already what "I" is, ever attained! So "I" cannot attain "SELF", just as eyes cannot see eyes even as they see everything. The Grace points to the eyes "my dear, the fact that you see everything is the proof of your Being more than what you see, so stop searching and just be!". The eyes heed and realize, not that they will see themselves ever, but the need to see themselves disappear altogether! Mind is pointed the same truth "you cannot see God separate from you, You ARE IT!It is the same here, all attempts to attain Paramatman by "me", non existent entity, stops. Then all notions, beliefs which are images in the mind of God being separate from "me" drop away in this Realization! In that Realization, mind becomes quiet, peaceful on its own in which Glimpse of Atman is natural. So, I don't entertain any ideas about separate God right at the outset, not wait for Realization to happen! This is what I understand by Paramatman is already attained! Vasudeva Sarvam from the beginning!Unfortunately mind comes back and claims that Glimpse(of God) to be his own experience, not realizing that it was absent when Glimpse was Present. Kabirji puts this as "Either Hari or "me", both cannot be present on the path of LOVE"(Prem gali ati sankari, tame na samay do................).The Grace by the way, takes the guise of Swamiji or like him or scripture or devotion or Satsang with spiritual friends like thhis forum.So why don't we realize now? Realization is like glimpses, like lightening, flashes here and flashes there, in time frame from the point of mind, but not due to time really! When someone realizes SELF, it has nothing to do with elapsed time, because suppose if the same one didn't realize then also time would have elapsed, right? So time is not the independent variable in the equation at all, only understanding brings it! Understanding means Devotion or Self-less Karmas or any combinations, but finally only Grace will do it! You can only go to the Gateless Gate and wait, and the doors open when God wants it! This is the reason Saints say that you do sadhana, and in time You will realize. Time is just a thought which references a point in the past and thought arise in us such as "oh, it took 5 years to realize or change" etc etc. No one can experience the time in chronological way(it is running river), we experience only interveals of time as thoughts only. Thought is psychological time, thoughts creates time(and space too)! see for yourself.Few more clarifications later!Namaskar.........Pratap Bhatt--------

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I am devotee of God and have never had doubts of his existence. I attain God this way. I put in different places little post it notes, Please do not let me forget You even for a moment, I say He Naath, He Mere Naath, I think on Bagwaan, Paramatma and Vasudev Sarvam all times. I use prayer of Oh Father let me never forget you even for a moment, oh Compassionate One, let Your sweet memory be always with me.Oh kind hearted my Father, my Master there is no one else, let me not forget you even in my dreams,while walking, eating, sleeping let me only think of You.In whatever I do let me always think of You.Your sweet, sweet memories ever remain.Please grace me with this remembrance.. whatever work that is being done yet in my heart, in my mind there is only God. Please I lie at your lotus feet entreating let not even a moment pass without me remembering you, let me think of you every second, HE NAATH HE MERE NAATH Let me never forget, let me remember all times...

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Hari OmPawanji. Why you should consider some thing to be difficult to conquer? What is the difficulty?What is yours? A thing/body over which you have no independent control , can that be yours? By what yardstick you consider some thing/body to be yours? A thing/body which was not yours in the past, not going to be yours in the future, at present also it is constantly drifting away from you, how that thing can be yours? Where is the difficulty in understanding this simple fact?Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B ---

 

 

 

Dear sadaks,I first beg pardon from Sri Pratabji. Sri Pratabji, Sri Vyasji, Sri Mikeji, and all those NAMES mentioned by Sri Vyasji are one of Paramathuma` s and not differant. Only names divides to produce sounds. Sri Pratabji, it is not me who implied on you. Where is you or me? We are one and the same as said by you. Sri Pratabji you have answered in your posting. That is, ""We make such statements as "until you realize Self or Paramatman, you are in Maya, bondage! But I say until you choose to remain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" I knew you will precisely answer and only in that sense I requested you.One more clarification from sadaks on the above line,""until you choose to remain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" Does Maya bind us or we are binded by Maya. That is, "is Maya making us to be bonded or are we getting ourselves into Maya" Some sadak has written about Naradhji getting monkey face because he said he won Maya. Maya has played with Paramathuma when HE decended to earth as Badrinarayana, and with Bagavan Shiva and Maya lost & went back in shame.""Swamiji means what he said "Paramatman is already attained", is a statement of fact we need to discover for ourselves!"" promtly said by SriPratabji Bagavan said in Geetha that line, ""Aneka Samshidayah-------". That man does attain me in one of the several births."" which means that man already attained, but when is the question (Time factor).Dear Sadaks, kindly enlighten me on the line starting with ""Name Baktha-----"" said in Geetha. Please be precise in answer with a story example if possible.Namaste to Sri Pratabji and all other sadaks.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan

--------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear sadak, (pawan singhal )Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind nature to be inconstant search. Search of worldly matters and things/ Or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically diverse from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan--------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Sri Pratab Bhatt says, To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delaying salvation" or he maynot even need to ask. God would know all true Bhaktas' heartfelt desires formerging in Him."" But Swamiji saidGoswamiji has said `Lord, give me your devotion and free me of desires, angerand faults'. Only `Give me your devotion as that alone will suffice.' 3rd March,2009, Tuesday Falgun Shukla Panchami, Vikram Samvat 2065, MangalvarSri Pratab I know he will have answer for SadhaksJai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Sri Pratabji thus said so is absolutely correct, Thus salvation is what wealready are. If you remember Swamiji says Paramatma is already attained, how canyou attain that which is attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is whatwe are, not we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.Now the question comes from ordinary men. -1) I am fraud, doing all underhand dealings, I cheat people and bank or evennation, I know how bad I am. Sir, you are telling me that I already attainedParamathuma .2) Politician said, I know what I am doing and Sir you call me I attainedParamathuma. Don’t be kidding.3) Student said, I have to achieve so much in life Sir you say I attainedParamathuma.4) Householder said, I have to get my children married and see that they getsettled, don’t be joking I attained Paramathuma.What Swamiji said was also correct. Then where came the difference?Human alone is blessed with such a body and intellect that can discriminate goodand bad, body and the soul, jeeva and paramathuma. Now a boy is told that he isfit to become doctor. He studies hard and gets Degree as a doctor. He did notknow he can become doctor until told. He then studied well and became doctoronly on listening to advisor (Guru). So Swamiji shares the teachings of the Gitaand scriptures saying human has in built capacity and ability to attain God.Which means that one need not fear that he cannot attain GOD, as he has allprovisions to attain God. But human does not know this power within is there.Now take animals they don't have that power to attain God, except in exceptionalcases. Animals have to raise to human level to attain God. Referance; KapilaGeetha told by Bagavan to Deva Hoothi. Even devatas, Indra etc are to take humanbirth and get salvation says Vedas. This valuable life gift (Godliness) isattained, but unaware of the birth of a human birth gift obtained by passingthrough various birth from tree to animals. Misuse this birth and go back to a worm in a dust bin says Vivekachudamani. Narayana Batadri a famous sant ofGuruvayuralso wrote that the human body is invaluable gift, if misused one takesbirth as animals. Referance: Srimath Narayiniyam. Bagavan in Geetha also said,"Aneka Jalma Samshidayaha-----" Gyan is that you now accept that you are in aattained position of Paramathuma. Vig (Scientifically- Science of Creation) isapplied to Gyan and one becomes Vig Gyani where by he can never ever commitmistake after becoming so. A Gyani has committed mistake but Vig Gyani does not.Best Example: Adi Sankara was Gyani but his Gyan was incomplete, until BagavanShiva came in disguise as Chandala with 4 dogs in street of Kasi and gave VigGyan. Referance : Manisha Panchakam.Sri Pratabji wrote that "Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa. .....Karishyetavachanam.. .."I remember my true Self now Lord, I will do what you say".So every human needs Sri Krishna. the Guru to say these, then he will say, Iremember my true self until then he is in maya.Sadaks, body is a vital tool to attain Paramathuma. Bhramaji was jealous inheaven when he saw Sri Krishna eating along with his friends in Vridavan, onefeeding each other. He thought what a gift to be a child in Vrindavan along withSri Krishna. My post is useless. Devas and devathas where still more jealous andit would have best to be a calf or cow there rather than in this Bog lok wastingtime.Sadaks we are blessed to be in human form on earth to the extent to serve SriKrishna in Pooja, in making Mala, in giving HIM fruits, in prostrating at hisfeet, in singing HIS songs, in seeing HIM blissfully. This NO ONE else in 13Loks can do. Referance : Sants of Panderpur, Shenayi, Chota Mela, Sakubai etc.and also written in Gyanapaana of the great sant who flew to Vaikunt by PuspakaViman in 1650 at Malapuram in public view Sant Sri Poothanam.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------False asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti) Said Sri pawan singhal.How many times happiness came and gone?. How many times unhappiness came andgone? It will come and go, so be aware of this truth.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariI accept Gita 7(19) that God is everywhere and in everything but Ican not realise God due to lack of understanding of Gita 18(48) & false asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti).I am trying to make relationship with self but in vain. Other way isonly to meet the devotee of God in physical form as guided in Gita 4(34). I realise swamiji as Giani -Gita 4(34) & take benefit tillassociation with Him. Now I am trying those benefit through group that is insant satsang. I have already requested tosadhakas of this group but in vain.I believe in association of great soul in physical form to getspiritual guidance as I feel with Swamiji at Rishikesh & Kolkatta.Please assist me to meet divine sadhaka & other realised greatsoul/Giani/devotee of Godpawan singhalRam Ram----------------------------NEW POSTINGShri HariLonging is by the Self is answer of my question as explained byMeera Das. I request to Sh. Meera Das & all sadhaks please explainHow it will happen? I can only pray to God. I am helpless.Ram Rampawan singhal------------------------Shree HariRam RamHere are simple, clear and very easy words spoken in Hindi bySwamiji -"Sabse pehle sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hoon. Ek baar saralhriday se dridhta poorvak sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hihoon. Jab aap bhagwaan ke ho to aapko unki smriti ke liye kuch karnahi nahin padega. Aapki har kriya unki pooja hogi."Meager attempt at translating these simple words -"First of all, accept that I am Bhagwaan's (I belong to God). Justonce, with a simple, straight forward heart, accept with a firmconviction, that I am only Bhagwaan's (I belong to only God). Whenyou become Bhagwaan's then you will have to do absolutely nothingfor His rememberance. All your activities will become His worship."Now the Panchamrit (Five Golden Principles) just happens on it'sown -1) I am only God's2) I reside in His kingdom only3) I do His work (good and auspicious) only4) I receive only His prasad (blessing/offering)5) With the prasad received from Him, I serve only His family.Now what will cause you to forgot Bhagwaan (God)? When you becomesomeone's do you have to remember you belong to them? Do you haveto recite at night I belong to Him, I belong to Him, I belong toHim? Do you have to study to remind yourself, since I belong to myBeloved, I must cook and do other work for Him? Do you have toremind yourself that since I belong to Him, I must take care of Hischildren? and so on?Become Bhagwaan's (God's) ONLY ONCE !!!! .... says Swamiji... Magicfollows... undoubtedly.Meera DasRam Ram---------------------------In India we are lucky to have amongst us God realised souls who areshowing others the path to salvation. These gurus by shunningworldly comforts and possessions are showing us the way. Once werealise that every thing that we see is maya or illusion and thatthe only truth is the Soul or Atma within each of us whose only goalis to unite with the Parmatma, we can attain salvation. What we aretoday is the result of our past karmas but we can control what wewill become through through the result of our present karmas. So ifwe follow the right path of sewa or helping others, satsang orseeking the company of good people, sadhna or spiritual practicesand dhyan or meditation to connect with our Soul then we will be onthe right path.Hari Shanker Deo--------------------------Thank You Narinder Bhandariji. I bow to YOU and The Krishnarejoicing your Rejoice.Respects.Naga Narayana----------------------------Dear Sadaks,One says Salvation/Mukthi is always there. Another point said thatyou that Sat Chit and Anandham. Then why one has to suffer? Becausereason1) One knows not to tell lies, but says- Mind level.2) One knows drinking alcohol is wrong, but drinks -Body level.3) One knows that he has to Sadhana, but does not do, intellectlevel.These 3 are called Trikarna Sudhi (Clealiness of body mind andintellect) How to achieve it? By guidance - God/Guru. SalvationMukthi is there, but one is not living in it as the qualities arenot there. A person with eye sight is unable to read. But then heneeds spectacles. So the body, mind and intellect is not in form, itis spoilt. He needs Gyan (Spectacle) to see within (Athuman) hisswaroop.He gets from Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh. Until then he does notrealize that he is easily reachable to God/Salvation/Mukthi. That iswhy without Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh he undergoes birth afterbirth. The man who obtained Gyan knows preyty well that his Swaroopis itself divine and because of curtain of Maya he lost valuablelife time.What is wrong in learning from the saint's teachings? In fact theirteaching are there for one to follow. Otherwise those historiescould not have been written. In fact it is easy to follow a saintpath to reach God faster. Saints showed easy methods that could makeone realize.There were so many disciples who followed the instructions of theirGuru and obtained Mukthi. Example: Sant Ekanath. In Kaliyug it isdifficult for man to read scriptures/Sanskrit Etc and then know thepath. In Srimath Bagavath says in Kaliyug Namasankeerthan is enoughto get liberated. Each yuga Dharma is there in Scripts. If someonetells me easy and quick and fast way to reach Badrinath, what iswrong in following his advise. So are Bakthas who guides us. Just bypresenting a flower Mala daily with faith and love to God a saint(Vishnu Chithar) says it will pave path to Vaikunt. It seems easybut if one tries that somewhere or other he fails in timely pooja orloose a day without, or gets stuck to some business or occupied in afamily function Etc. So sincerity, faith, love towards God settingaside even a great need of family produces realization. Sadaks, manyof us go temple say certain day Friday/Saterday. How punctual are we?Hiranyakasipu and Prahald had argument where is GOD. Prahald said HEis everywhere. His father asked is HE in this pillar. Prahaladsays, "Drusyate" (Yes I see God). His father says "Nah Durshyate" (Ican not see HIM). Why? One has Gyan the other has Agyan. ThoughParamathuma there , one could see and other could not see. Most ofus are still in Agyan. Here Guru was Prahalad who showed GOd andHiranyakasipu obtained Mukthi.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam RamDear Pawanji, Swamiji has said that such experience of the presenceof God, the rememberance of God, your Beloved One by truesentiments, is only possible by one's own Self. Not by mind/intellect and not by trying to remember. It is only when thislonging is by the Self, that it happens on it's own simply,naturally, and involuntarily (Swabhavik). Swamiji says this is soinnate that it happens even in one's sleep. Rather it happensnaturally all the time. Intense attachment and longing for God -round the clock. It is not about "doing" but simply "being". Itsimply and naturally "IS". Absolutely nothing has to be done toremember our Beloved One.Just like when our Beloved is going to arrive by train, and we havenot seen him for a long time and we are waiting at the railwaystation for Him, and we feel the anxiety, the longing - When will myBeloved come? When will I see Him? How much longer will it be beforeour eyes meet? This anticipation, this longing is so intense thatone simply cannot wait even a moment. It is consuming ! Just thatone thought.. when will I see my Beloved!Just like when we are intensely thirsty and are consumed with thethought of a sip of water. Do you have such enthusiasm? Such drive?Such Zeal? Such Intensity? Such Sentiments to meet Your Beloved One,God? - asks SwamijiMeera DasRam Ram-----------------------------Krishna and His songThe Heart,In longing painCries outKrishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!The Soul rejoices.The MindIn love's ecstasyBows at the feet of the BelovedThe Soul rejoices.And Krishna smiles,The flute rising to his lips.Ah! The symphony of the soundless sound,WhereThe seven disappear into the Light of lightsWhereTime disappears into TimelessnessAndThe Heart,In longing's painKeeps Crying outKrishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!AndThence comes the Lords song of songsThe Bhagavad geetha, ah !To assuage the hearts painAnd, the Minds thirst for Knowledge, and Lightaumnarinder bhandari-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGHari OmPawanji ! You have received sterling in sights in response to yourQs, the last one from Mira Dassji. Truth and only truth is there inher last message to you. If you just "accept" with a simple heartwhat she has so eloquently recommended to you, your search gets overeffortlessly, then and there !! Where can Paramatma hide when youstart with goal of BG 7:19? Can ice hidden behind ice ever remainhidden?Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B------------------------------Dear Sadhak,Why think to achieve salvation at the "end" ? It cannot be a futuregoal. It is HERE and NOW as stated by sadhak Narinderji.Only effort needed is to be present Here and Now with a deep longingto reach HIM. Now is the eternity zone. All spiritual practices likebreath control, name chanting, mala japa etc leads sadhak to remainin present moment.The whole world is nothing but an illusion, a web of our thinkingmind. When a sadhak practices living in here and now, he is out ofthe grip of his thinking mind and all doing becomes happenings."Sarva Dharma Paritjya, mamekam sharanam vrij"Gitaji. when sadhaksurrender to Krishna, he accept every moment As IT IS and remainssubmerged in the ocean of Love, Bliss and Peace.with Love,a sadhikaSadhna KarigarShri HariI am asking question due to my nature-Gita 5(14) & Gita 2(7) butbefore Gita 18(73) & because I know the truth-everything belongs toBhagwan, the essence, I say this but I do not believe the truth, theessence as i say in prayer written by Swami Shri RamsukhdasjiMaharaj.Meera Das & Pratap Bhatt has explained after Gita 18(73)Ram Ram----------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam RamSwamiji incessantly, relentlessly, persistently spokeabout "Vasudeva Sarvam"(All is God) in the final years in His mortal body. He repeated thismany times- PLEASE READ CAREFUL AND ACCEPT IMMEDIATELY! If there is noquestions ordoubts, then PLEASE ACCEPT RIGHT NOW!Swamiji said -Whatever is perceived with mind, speech, sight and other senses isonly God.Accept this immediately. The active, inactive, conscious, matter,[born of egg,sweat and sprouting from earth] - all are God and nothing else. Goodor bad,wicked or virtuous, all are God. There is nothing else besides God.He whowishes to attain God should accept this fact. As Shri JaydayaljiGoyandka usedto say that "Whatever is seen is God's divine form and whatever isexperiencedand activities undertaken is His divine play/pastime (lila).If you are very serious about your question, if you believe in Gita4:11 (thathowever a devotee worships Me, so do I approach them) and have anardent andintense longing to find the answer to this question, it does notmatter if it isat the end of life or not, SIMPLY FROM NOW ONWARDS - EVERYTHING YOUSEE ISBHAGWAAN'S SWAROOP (God's Divine Form) AND EVERYTHING YOUEXPERIENCE/DO IS HISLILA (Divine Play/Pastime).Now if a devotee worship Bhagwaan in this manner, where canBhagwaanji HIDE?Tell me one place he will not be? Tell me how at the end of thislife, end ofthis human body, He will not be there as Yamdoot (God of Death)?Tell me whereyou will need to go searching for this rare Devotee of God by true & heartfeltsentiments? If your sentiments are true and heartfelt, can you notaccept whatGita says and what Swamiji says that Bhagwaan (Vasudeva) iseverywhere, ineverything, in all that you see, think, feel, do, experience andmore, becausethere is only "Vasudeva" and this is clearly stated in the Gita 7:19and throughout the Gita in Chapter 11 and more!Do you have any further questions or doubts? Please bring them out!Meera DasRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sri Pawan kumarI remember the words of a man who is an ardent devotee of SriRamana. He used to say 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVENIF YOU DO NOT THINK OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE.Please contemplate on thatvrsarma poduryPRIOR POSTINGDear Sadhakas, Namaste!To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delayingsalvation" or he may not even need to ask. God would know all trueBhaktas' heartfelt desires for merging in Him.What I mean is the when you are in love with God, unconditionally,you wouldn't want to make loving Him as a means to the end(salvation). Such love or remembering God constantly is in itselfthe means and end, without duality even though on-lookers may feelBhagwaan and Bhakta as separate.I consider salvation as Moksha or liberation from a false senseof "me", non existent ego and establishment in Atman our true Self.Thus salvation is what we already are. If you remember Swamiji saysParamatma is already attained, how can you attain that whihc isattained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what we are, notwe will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.In attaining anything there is duality of someone who attains andsomething to be attained, not the case here in this Bhakti (lovingdevotion).Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa......Karishye tavachanam...."I remember my true Self now Lord, will do what you say".One lives free of "me" as Sat-Chit-Ananda only.In salavation no individual entity survives, it is livingimpersonally, as Intelligence, Love, Peace, Steadfastness! Karmasare done when needed without doer!Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt------------------------------Dear Sadhak,I am remember the boon of Kunti in Mahabharat.She requested LordKrishna to keep them in poverty so that she can remember almightyGod.Still however we should keep that spirit and in spite of alltroubles and our condition we should never avoid offering prayers atleast or twice.We should learn as to hoe to prayer.Please refer tomy book on 'Prayers of all Religions of the world. This is what IfeelTruly yoursShankerprasad S Bhatt--------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGSree Pratabji, Kindly bear with me for my mistake. Your goodnesssaid-- say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he havetime to ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living inSalvation?. Baktha is in constant thought of GOD that is why he hasfull time to askGOD why that HE is delaying salvation. Worldly man partly with Godhas time to ask GOD for his desires to be fullfilled one after theother until death. Such man Geetha has said Kamiyartha Baktha, whomGOD gives him long rope fulfilling his desires one after other, GODhoping he will become Jignasu. That hope of GOD is benovolence. Onceagain pardon me if I am wrong and enlighten me.Salvation is that I thought is attained stage, not living insalvation. Salvation is to be attained and not living in it. Meanstrying for salvation. Once salvation is attained there is nodesires. You are very right Sir.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------God is available only when we become His and remember His Gloriesand His name many times continuously, then and then we will feel Hispresence within your hearts. He will be seen but his presence willbe felt. This is how Mirabai, Narsinh Mehta and Chaitainya MahaPrabhu realized God.This is what I feel everyday while offering prayersTruly yoursS S Bhatt-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear Sadak,You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but inVeerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youRproblem ends.B.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explainedby Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh KumarPawan SinghalRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sadhaks ,The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Pathof a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on twodifferent points of time , are given below. Both are related .In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated asfollows :1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never havebeen ( and , can never be )otherwise .2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answersare available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); itis ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be knownat a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available toThe Knower of the Self by Existence .3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). Itis always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.4.The sense of Doership disappears .5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power-----not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......to transform the seeker ).7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, wewere already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( weshall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is theTest ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basicprinciples shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remainBlissful, and Peaceful .8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , withthe intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . Theshortest Way.No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition ofones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way toLight is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but yourwillingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truthof Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It isalready present in YOU, You are already That .ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )-------------For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union withthat great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on thesacred Path of love and Light.2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personalexperience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in thatexperience.4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Graceand yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any morerunning away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. ExistencesPlay , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part ofExistential Play and Doing5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is theKnowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strivefor Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scripturesspeak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seekingheart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is tojudge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movementof the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses todie to the self , to realise the Self.the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.Narinder bhandariAUM----------------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previouspost!I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time toask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?I say this to emphasize "remembering God and not expectinganything", just unconditional love for God goes a long way.No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilationof "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) haveno footing. "me" is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinlysay they are, to pay our respect!Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have differentapproaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired bysuch Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique intheir own way is the proof of different expressions of the sametruth.Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGQ: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for AttainingSalvation?Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are nosentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.Remembering The God is another myth.Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataractin terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of itshinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of theignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception andexperience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist fortheir approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is sostrong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealedhere!Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishadsmake it very clear:Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such aslistening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of theself-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects aswell as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far asthere is insistence for seeing everything through the lens ofcognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what itsees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmittedmay not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatialboundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The imagesensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien toeach other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality isfutile in the first place.But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest tobe attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort ofseeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever couldjust escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fearscocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one couldjust drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for everyone!Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanumswaam ||Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which isThe You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at yourdeath, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT revealsitself within and around.Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannadaequivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefitfrom,Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.Grossly, it means,How can there be a sense of existence without something beingwithin?The being within remains "as is" NOT seeking anything.How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can everattain That?Understand that you can attain the one within by just being withinseeking nothing.Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strengthwithin to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality inhis revelation on "Bhagavattattva" (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop AntahKarana (intrinsic awareness).2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innateawareness).3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in thisregard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar hegenerously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is beingcurrently circulated.Respects.Naga Narayana------------------------------Hari OmPawanji ! You "become" of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practicea wife "becomes" of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simpleheart: I am of the God, only God is mine.Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The "karta"(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have becomeGodly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God isthat which "happens" effortlessly and which is not "done" .Look at the status today. We "have to" think/remember about God,while thinking/remembering about the world "happens automatically".Why? Because at "subtle ego level" we continue to be of world. Hencethoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the worldonly , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experienceproblems in concentrating.CHANGE YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" ! Thereuponbhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will "haveto be done"!As simple as that !Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B------------------------------Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God sothat we can do many good things in life and we will be happy asposting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life withoutinterruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the postingof all sadhakRam Rampawan singhal--------------------------------Shree HariRam RamPawanji, kindly post "sixteen powers by God" as separate question.From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram RamPRIOR POSTINGPriy sadhakIn my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in everylittle bit of action happening in & around U.Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?Like breathing.Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.Can U do all this?Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our lifewithout interruption and without any noise. also without showing anyehsan.Doesnt it make u believe & love god?If yes love moreif no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.Sorry if I hurt U.I didnt mean it.thanxRaja Gurdasani------------------------Dear Sadaks,Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress andasked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songswere Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was withSri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they werehighly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left anatom of thought any part of their life that they are already insalvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is nottracable.But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares forfood. Those great men we recognised them as "Chitta Braman", (metalyhandicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes theywill be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear Pawan Kumar ji,I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.Love is God.God is Love.Love allServe all.See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who isgiven this blessed Birth.Think GoodSee GoodHear GoodDo Good.Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , sothank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIScreation.By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice iswith you but to do this you always need the blessings of thatSupreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path ofsalvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIMto decide.It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.One need to have a strong determination and go step by step anddrop by drop you can fill the ocean.I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any wayWith Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal LoveKAMLESH KUMARHELP EVER HURT NEVERLOVE ALL SERVE ALLHAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAYKamlesh Kumar------------------------------Dear Sadhakas, namaste!Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When "I" whoexpect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to beone and the same, salvation has happened.In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desireanything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,Beauty, Harmony, Joy!Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object ofdesire!when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, "I" alsoend at the same time, not later!See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt----------------------------Dear Sadak,pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over andif you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, "Aninya Chitayayome", meansconstant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Yourresponsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HISresponsibility takes over.This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE willliberate HIS baktha in same birth.Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, makinggarlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listeningscriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleepand practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lightinglamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walkingaround HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri KrishanayaVasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In allmoments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------Dear Sadhak,Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form ofhuman being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 milliondifferent forms of births. If we know we will always remember Himbecause we are obligated to HimSecondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us somesixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life andwe will be happy.Shankerprasad S Bhatt----------------------------We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritualpractices will definitely lead us in the right direction.Hari Shanker Deo-------------------------------SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.See God in All. God in you is the God in All.Serve All.Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing toserve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice isyours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.- "Aninya Chitayayome", means constant thought on ME, that soul I(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha insame birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living inSalvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruptionand without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we areeternally obligated to Bhagwaan- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed.- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannotwithold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptionalreality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty inrealizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.Remain "as is" NOT seeking anything. Simply be!Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsicawareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti toremain in The Tattva … The Absolute- Become of "Paramatma", then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'has become of God. Our problem is that at "subtle ego level" wecontinue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.Change YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" !- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditionallove for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) leadto anhilation of "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger,jealousy, etc) have no footing.- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.- living in the present, Now and here.- sense of Doership disappears- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.- Words become Fewer- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. MinimumDiscussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone'sBeing ( SEE 1 Above ),- and finally... drop all Knowledge- longing for God is Existence Gift- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to theself , torealise the Self. when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.- 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINKOF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE-------------------------GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE -1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible..3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to theextent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. 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I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments which is rare

but is somewhere -Gita 7(19).

 

God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4(11). My

message is how can I think of God & remember God by true sentiments so that i

can get salvation at the end at least as per Gita 8(5).

 

pawan kumar singhal

Ram Ram

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

One more point I want to share on Sathyanarayanji's post on Geeta saying " that

man does attain me in one of several births " , so God is already attained but

when is the question(time factor).

If we look closely, that which we really are, Atman-Self-Consciousness never

takes birth nor dies. Our ignorance as desires, latent tendencies-vaasanas

acquired while in physical body forms subtle body(sanskaras) and it merges with

cosmic subtle body or mass karmas of all beings upon death. It gets recycled

through another body and ignorance continues its journey further until it

realizes its true nature in some human birth. So that which we truly are never

takes re-birth. Thus by the time one realizes many births may have gone, but

only in ignorance, like in a dream! This is what I think Krishnaji may have

meant.

Upon realizing Atman how does it matter how many births have gone? Again we say

this to emphasize the immediacy of the Realization. From the point of view of

mind, time is there, but time has not played any part in realization.

How can it, it is not real. It is a simplistic and pragmatic assumptions. Even

an hour by clock time is experienced differently by different people, some find

it too long when perceived boring, some find it too quick when perceived

interesting! Time which is of Maya is flowing, and can never be experienced by

mind. Thus what we call NOW is not mind's experience, it is mind's concept of

zero duration! Like in a dream we can experience whole life in few minutes, but

upon waking up, there was no reality! So by saying it takes several births to

realize we don't convey any value to those on the path of inquiry, on the

contrary it discourages.

Besides, several births are only almost zero second to God, whose Grace bestows

Realization to those who are in fit to receive in His judgment!

 

Namaskar.............Pratap Bhatt

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Dear sadaks,

Sri Vyasji has given nice explanation to my query BG 9:31- Na me bhaktah

pransyati? Thank you.

B.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

Dear Sathyanarayanji, please accept my pranaam, you need not beg pardon! we are

only exchanging our understanding! Let us be in the spirit of oneness as you

said and freely exchange!

Let me do the best I can to clarify. " Does Maya bind us or we are binded by

Maya. That is, " is Maya making us to be bonded or are we getting ourselves into

Maya " , you asked.

Maya binds us as long as we don't inquire who we truly ARE! We consider us as

body-mind limited entity and it continues as long as we allow it to go

unchecked! We do have freedom for this inquiry! We can be free of such

ignorance, and stop Maya at individual level. However, if we don't exercise this

freedom in this birth, we continue to live in ignorance of Maya! So, Maya has

power only if we give it to! Maya stays away from True Bhaktas you give examples

of many times! Those bent on inquiry are Bhaktas of TRUTH!

Maya also refers to illusion at cosmic level, is universal for all of us! For

example, rainbow is illusion in the sense seven colors are seen as magnificent

bow(of Rama as some say) just from rain water and sunlight, or mirrage seen in

desert etc etc. Even when we know the truth we continue to see Rainbow and

mirrages, however, it cannot bind us anymore, on the contrary it is joy all the

way.

Stories in our puranas are to emphasize the importance of stepping out of Maya,

and some dramatization always help in such stories. Narada has this big ego of

winning Maya, so, he was fooled is one such example!

When we look at the world and take objects as real, not knowing it as Ishwara,

its reality, it is due to Maya principle, it is said. It means, Maya is not a

problem, but to consider it REAL is the ignorance! If Maya can end, it is

appearance and not permanent, that which appears but is not, Permanent is THAT

which never ceases to be. BG 2:16.

Namaskar...............Pratap Bhatt

 

 

 

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Shri Hari

I belong to God -I accepted it first of all. One could see who has gyan & other

could not see who has agyan. I and my-ness is main obstacle which i find

difficult to conquer to get peace(Gita 2.71). I am trying as sadhak.

Ram Ram

pawan singhal

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Thank you all for your insights and co-operation. On having satsang with

devotees of Swamiji in Vrindavan (Shri Nawal Ram ji and consulting Shri

Rameshji Maharaj by telephone), I learned the following -

 

Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind's nature to be

in constant search. Search of worldly matters and things or Search of divinity.

Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly on

worldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce your

activity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,

Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind will

automatically divert from world to divinity to great extent. Once retired

renounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takes

place. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

pawan singhal

 

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Hari Om

 

It is so divine to read message of Catherine to Sadhaks. Nothing more needs to

be done. Nothing more needs to be known. Nothing more needs to be got. Such is

the power in what she is practicing. You have caught the nerve of Satsanga-

Sadhika Catherine. My pranaams to you.

 

Sathyanarainji ! Are you referring Sir to BG 9:31- Na me bhaktah pransyati?

There Lord Krishna asks Arjuna to take a vow that there will never be a downfall

of His devotee. He asks Arjuna to take oath !! Because Krishna ( God) can

deviate fron His oath but not from the oath of His Bhakta, viz Arjuna. It is a

guarantee of highest order by Paramatma to the Sadhaks. If you turn towards Me ,

you shall never fall thereafter ! Krishna had, before Mahabharat War had taken

an oath that he shall not lift weapon in the war. When Bheesma Pitamah knew,

then he took the oath that I will make Krishna lift the weapon. Krishna forgot

about His oath and ensured that Bhishma Pitamah's oath is protected and lifted

the wheel of a broken Ratha ( chariot) and ran after Bhisma. . Such is the God,

Dear Sadhaks.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

Dear Sathyanarayanji, you need not beg pardon. We are exchanging our

understanding on this wisdom platform! God is really playing by being us in our

roles, I am sure of this as you are! I am not attached to what I share with

sadhakas, and never insist it is the only truth!

It has and is helping me to go deep within to feel the hidden, invisible

Presence and put few words around it as if finger is pointing at Moon. Just as

finger cannot touch the moon, mind cannot conceive the Presence, SELF! This may

sound like bad news. but the good news is: since Self is already what " I " is,

ever attained! So " I " cannot attain " SELF " , just as eyes cannot see eyes even as

they see everything. The Grace points to the eyes " my dear, the fact that you

see everything is the proof of your Being more than what you see, so stop

searching and just be! " . The eyes heed and realize, not that they will see

themselves ever, but the need to see themselves disappear altogether! Mind is

pointed the same truth " you cannot see God separate from you, You ARE IT!

It is the same here, all attempts to attain Paramatman by " me " , non existent

entity, stops. Then all notions, beliefs which are images in the mind of God

being separate from " me " drop away in this Realization!

In that Realization, mind becomes quiet, peaceful on its own in which Glimpse of

Atman is natural. So, I don't entertain any ideas about separate God right at

the outset, not wait for Realization to happen!

This is what I understand by Paramatman is already attained! Vasudeva Sarvam

from the beginning!

 

Unfortunately mind comes back and claims that Glimpse(of God) to be his own

experience, not realizing that it was absent when Glimpse was Present. Kabirji

puts this as " Either Hari or " me " , both cannot be present on the path of

LOVE " (Prem gali ati sankari, tame na samay do................).

The Grace by the way, takes the guise of Swamiji or like him or scripture or

devotion or Satsang with spiritual friends like thhis forum.

So why don't we realize now? Realization is like glimpses, like lightening,

flashes here and flashes there, in time frame from the point of mind, but not

due to time really! When someone realizes SELF, it has nothing to do with

elapsed time, because suppose if the same one didn't realize then also time

would have elapsed, right? So time is not the independent variable in the

equation at all, only understanding brings it! Understanding means Devotion or

Self-less Karmas or any combinations, but finally only Grace will do it! You can

only go to the Gateless Gate and wait, and the doors open when God wants it!

This is the reason Saints say that you do sadhana, and in time You will realize.

Time is just a thought which references a point in the past and thought arise in

us such as " oh, it took 5 years to realize or change " etc etc. No one can

experience the time in chronological way(it is running river), we experience

only interveals of time as thoughts only. Thought is psychological time,

thoughts creates time(and space too)! see for yourself.

Few more clarifications later!

Namaskar.........Pratap Bhatt

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PRIOR POSTING

 

I am devotee of God and have never had doubts of his existence. I attain God

this way. I put in different places little post it notes, Please do not let me

forget You even for a moment, I say He Naath, He Mere Naath, I think on Bagwaan,

Paramatma and Vasudev Sarvam all times. I use prayer of Oh Father let me never

forget you even for a moment, oh Compassionate One, let Your sweet memory be

always with me.Oh kind hearted my Father, my Master there is no one else, let me

not forget you even in my dreams,while walking, eating, sleeping let me only

think of You.In whatever I do let me always think of You.Your sweet, sweet

memories ever remain.Please grace me with this remembrance.. whatever work that

is being done yet in my heart, in my mind there is only God. Please I lie at

your lotus feet entreating let not even a moment pass without me remembering

you, let me think of you every second, HE NAATH HE MERE NAATH Let me never

forget, let me remember all times...

 

catherine

 

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Hari Om

 

Pawanji. Why you should consider some thing to be difficult to conquer? What is

the difficulty?

 

What is yours? A thing/body over which you have no independent control , can

that be yours? By what yardstick you consider some thing/body to be yours? A

thing/body which was not yours in the past, not going to be yours in the future,

at present also it is constantly drifting away from you, how that thing can be

yours? Where is the difficulty in understanding this simple fact?

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Dear sadaks,

I first beg pardon from Sri Pratabji. Sri Pratabji, Sri Vyasji, Sri Mikeji, and

all those NAMES mentioned by Sri Vyasji are one of Paramathuma` s and not

differant. Only names divides to produce sounds. Sri Pratabji, it is not me who

implied on you. Where is you or me? We are one and the same as said by you.

Sri Pratabji you have answered in your posting. That is, " " We make such

statements as " until you realize Self or Paramatman, you are in Maya, bondage!

But I say until you choose to remain bind in Maya, you may not realize God. " " I

knew you will precisely answer and only in that sense I requested you.

One more clarification from sadaks on the above line, " " until you choose to

remain bind in Maya, you may not realize God. " " Does Maya bind us or we are

binded by Maya. That is, " is Maya making us to be bonded or are we getting

ourselves into Maya " Some sadak has written about Naradhji getting monkey face

because he said he won Maya. Maya has played with Paramathuma when HE decended

to earth as Badrinarayana, and with Bagavan Shiva and Maya lost & went back in

shame.

" " Swamiji means what he said " Paramatman is already attained " , is a statement of

fact we need to discover for ourselves! " " promtly said by SriPratabji

Bagavan said in Geetha that line, " " Aneka Samshidayah------- " . That man does

attain me in one of the several births. " " which means that man already

attained, but when is the question (Time factor).

Dear Sadaks, kindly enlighten me on the line starting with " " Name Baktha----- " "

said in Geetha. Please be precise in answer with a story example if possible.

Namaste to Sri Pratabji and all other sadaks.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

 

 

 

 

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear sadak, (pawan singhal )

Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind nature to be in

constant search. Search of worldly matters and things/ Or Search of divinity.

Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly on

worldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce your

activity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,

Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind will

automatically diverse from world to divinity to great extent. Once retired

renounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takes

place. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Sadaks,

Sri Pratab Bhatt says, " " To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!

In my understanding Bhakta can ask God " why He is delaying salvation " or he may

not even need to ask. God would know all true Bhaktas' heartfelt desires for

merging in Him. " " But Swamiji said

Goswamiji has said `Lord, give me your devotion and free me of desires, anger

and faults'. Only `Give me your devotion as that alone will suffice.' 3rd March,

2009, Tuesday Falgun Shukla Panchami, Vikram Samvat 2065, Mangalvar

 

Sri Pratab I know he will have answer for Sadhaks

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Sadaks,

 

Sri Pratabji thus said so is absolutely correct, Thus salvation is what we

already are. If you remember Swamiji says Paramatma is already attained, how can

you attain that which is attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what

we are, not we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, not

attaining.

 

Now the question comes from ordinary men. -

1) I am fraud, doing all underhand dealings, I cheat people and bank or even

nation, I know how bad I am. Sir, you are telling me that I already attained

Paramathuma .

2) Politician said, I know what I am doing and Sir you call me I attained

Paramathuma. Don’t be kidding.

3) Student said, I have to achieve so much in life Sir you say I attained

Paramathuma.

4) Householder said, I have to get my children married and see that they get

settled, don’t be joking I attained Paramathuma.

 

What Swamiji said was also correct. Then where came the difference?

 

Human alone is blessed with such a body and intellect that can discriminate good

and bad, body and the soul, jeeva and paramathuma. Now a boy is told that he is

fit to become doctor. He studies hard and gets Degree as a doctor. He did not

know he can become doctor until told. He then studied well and became doctor

only on listening to advisor (Guru). So Swamiji shares the teachings of the Gita

and scriptures saying human has in built capacity and ability to attain God.

Which means that one need not fear that he cannot attain GOD, as he has all

provisions to attain God. But human does not know this power within is there.

Now take animals they don't have that power to attain God, except in exceptional

cases. Animals have to raise to human level to attain God. Referance; Kapila

Geetha told by Bagavan to Deva Hoothi. Even devatas, Indra etc are to take human

birth and get salvation says Vedas. This valuable life gift (Godliness) is

attained, but unaware of the birth of a human birth gift obtained by passing

through various birth from tree to animals. Misuse this birth and go back to a

worm in a dust bin says Vivekachudamani. Narayana Batadri a famous sant of

Guruvayuralso wrote that the human body is invaluable gift, if misused one takes

birth as animals. Referance: Srimath Narayiniyam. Bagavan in Geetha also said,

" Aneka Jalma Samshidayaha----- " Gyan is that you now accept that you are in a

attained position of Paramathuma. Vig (Scientifically- Science of Creation) is

applied to Gyan and one becomes Vig Gyani where by he can never ever commit

mistake after becoming so. A Gyani has committed mistake but Vig Gyani does not.

Best Example: Adi Sankara was Gyani but his Gyan was incomplete, until Bagavan

Shiva came in disguise as Chandala with 4 dogs in street of Kasi and gave Vig

Gyan. Referance : Manisha Panchakam.

 

Sri Pratabji wrote that " Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa. .....Karishye

tavachanam.. ..

" I remember my true Self now Lord, I will do what you say " .

 

So every human needs Sri Krishna. the Guru to say these, then he will say, I

remember my true self until then he is in maya.

 

Sadaks, body is a vital tool to attain Paramathuma. Bhramaji was jealous in

heaven when he saw Sri Krishna eating along with his friends in Vridavan, one

feeding each other. He thought what a gift to be a child in Vrindavan along with

Sri Krishna. My post is useless. Devas and devathas where still more jealous and

it would have best to be a calf or cow there rather than in this Bog lok wasting

time.

 

Sadaks we are blessed to be in human form on earth to the extent to serve Sri

Krishna in Pooja, in making Mala, in giving HIM fruits, in prostrating at his

feet, in singing HIS songs, in seeing HIM blissfully. This NO ONE else in 13

Loks can do. Referance : Sants of Panderpur, Shenayi, Chota Mela, Sakubai etc.

and also written in Gyanapaana of the great sant who flew to Vaikunt by Puspaka

Viman in 1650 at Malapuram in public view Sant Sri Poothanam.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

 

B.Sathyanarayan

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False asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things that

come & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti) Said Sri pawan singhal.

How many times happiness came and gone?. How many times unhappiness came and

gone? It will come and go, so be aware of this truth.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

 

 

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Shree Hari

I accept Gita 7(19) that God is everywhere and in everything but I

can not realise God due to lack of understanding of Gita 18(48) &

false asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things that

come & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti).

I am trying to make relationship with self but in vain. Other way is

only to meet the devotee of God in physical form as guided in Gita 4

(34). I realise swamiji as Giani -Gita 4(34) & take benefit till

association with Him. Now I am trying those benefit through gita-

talk group that is insant satsang. I have already requested to

sadhakas of this group but in vain.

I believe in association of great soul in physical form to get

spiritual guidance as I feel with Swamiji at Rishikesh & Kolkatta.

Please assist me to meet divine sadhaka & other realised great

soul/Giani/devotee of God

 

pawan singhal

Ram Ram

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NEW POSTING

 

Shri Hari

Longing is by the Self is answer of my question as explained by

Meera Das. I request to Sh. Meera Das & all sadhaks please explain

How it will happen? I can only pray to God. I am helpless.

Ram Ram

pawan singhal

 

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Here are simple, clear and very easy words spoken in Hindi by

Swamiji -

 

" Sabse pehle sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hoon. Ek baar saral

hriday se dridhta poorvak sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hi

hoon. Jab aap bhagwaan ke ho to aapko unki smriti ke liye kuch karna

hi nahin padega. Aapki har kriya unki pooja hogi. "

 

Meager attempt at translating these simple words -

 

" First of all, accept that I am Bhagwaan's (I belong to God). Just

once, with a simple, straight forward heart, accept with a firm

conviction, that I am only Bhagwaan's (I belong to only God). When

you become Bhagwaan's then you will have to do absolutely nothing

for His rememberance. All your activities will become His worship. "

 

Now the Panchamrit (Five Golden Principles) just happens on it's

own -

1) I am only God's

2) I reside in His kingdom only

3) I do His work (good and auspicious) only

4) I receive only His prasad (blessing/offering)

5) With the prasad received from Him, I serve only His family.

 

Now what will cause you to forgot Bhagwaan (God)? When you become

someone's do you have to remember you belong to them? Do you have

to recite at night I belong to Him, I belong to Him, I belong to

Him? Do you have to study to remind yourself, since I belong to my

Beloved, I must cook and do other work for Him? Do you have to

remind yourself that since I belong to Him, I must take care of His

children? and so on?

 

Become Bhagwaan's (God's) ONLY ONCE !!!! .... says Swamiji... Magic

follows... undoubtedly.

 

Meera Das

Ram Ram

 

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In India we are lucky to have amongst us God realised souls who are

showing others the path to salvation. These gurus by shunning

worldly comforts and possessions are showing us the way. Once we

realise that every thing that we see is maya or illusion and that

the only truth is the Soul or Atma within each of us whose only goal

is to unite with the Parmatma, we can attain salvation. What we are

today is the result of our past karmas but we can control what we

will become through through the result of our present karmas. So if

we follow the right path of sewa or helping others, satsang or

seeking the company of good people, sadhna or spiritual practices

and dhyan or meditation to connect with our Soul then we will be on

the right path.

Hari Shanker Deo

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Thank You Narinder Bhandariji. I bow to YOU and The Krishna

rejoicing your Rejoice.

 

Respects.

 

Naga Narayana

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Dear Sadaks,

One says Salvation/Mukthi is always there. Another point said that

you that Sat Chit and Anandham. Then why one has to suffer? Because

reason

 

1) One knows not to tell lies, but says- Mind level.

2) One knows drinking alcohol is wrong, but drinks -Body level.

3) One knows that he has to Sadhana, but does not do, intellect

level.

 

These 3 are called Trikarna Sudhi (Clealiness of body mind and

intellect) How to achieve it? By guidance - God/Guru. Salvation

Mukthi is there, but one is not living in it as the qualities are

not there. A person with eye sight is unable to read. But then he

needs spectacles. So the body, mind and intellect is not in form, it

is spoilt. He needs Gyan (Spectacle) to see within (Athuman) his

swaroop.

He gets from Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh. Until then he does not

realize that he is easily reachable to God/Salvation/Mukthi. That is

why without Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh he undergoes birth after

birth. The man who obtained Gyan knows preyty well that his Swaroop

is itself divine and because of curtain of Maya he lost valuable

life time.

What is wrong in learning from the saint's teachings? In fact their

teaching are there for one to follow. Otherwise those histories

could not have been written. In fact it is easy to follow a saint

path to reach God faster. Saints showed easy methods that could make

one realize.

There were so many disciples who followed the instructions of their

Guru and obtained Mukthi. Example: Sant Ekanath. In Kaliyug it is

difficult for man to read scriptures/Sanskrit Etc and then know the

path. In Srimath Bagavath says in Kaliyug Namasankeerthan is enough

to get liberated. Each yuga Dharma is there in Scripts. If someone

tells me easy and quick and fast way to reach Badrinath, what is

wrong in following his advise. So are Bakthas who guides us. Just by

presenting a flower Mala daily with faith and love to God a saint

(Vishnu Chithar) says it will pave path to Vaikunt. It seems easy

but if one tries that somewhere or other he fails in timely pooja or

loose a day without, or gets stuck to some business or occupied in a

family function Etc. So sincerity, faith, love towards God setting

aside even a great need of family produces realization. Sadaks, many

of us go temple say certain day Friday/Saterday. How punctual are we?

 

Hiranyakasipu and Prahald had argument where is GOD. Prahald said HE

is everywhere. His father asked is HE in this pillar. Prahalad

says, " Drusyate " (Yes I see God). His father says " Nah Durshyate " (I

can not see HIM). Why? One has Gyan the other has Agyan. Though

Paramathuma there , one could see and other could not see. Most of

us are still in Agyan. Here Guru was Prahalad who showed GOd and

Hiranyakasipu obtained Mukthi.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

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PRIOR POSTING

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Dear Pawanji, Swamiji has said that such experience of the presence

of God, the rememberance of God, your Beloved One by true

sentiments, is only possible by one's own Self. Not by mind/

intellect and not by trying to remember. It is only when this

longing is by the Self, that it happens on it's own simply,

naturally, and involuntarily (Swabhavik). Swamiji says this is so

innate that it happens even in one's sleep. Rather it happens

naturally all the time. Intense attachment and longing for God -

round the clock. It is not about " doing " but simply " being " . It

simply and naturally " IS " . Absolutely nothing has to be done to

remember our Beloved One.

 

Just like when our Beloved is going to arrive by train, and we have

not seen him for a long time and we are waiting at the railway

station for Him, and we feel the anxiety, the longing - When will my

Beloved come? When will I see Him? How much longer will it be before

our eyes meet? This anticipation, this longing is so intense that

one simply cannot wait even a moment. It is consuming ! Just that

one thought.. when will I see my Beloved!

 

Just like when we are intensely thirsty and are consumed with the

thought of a sip of water. Do you have such enthusiasm? Such drive?

Such Zeal? Such Intensity? Such Sentiments to meet Your Beloved One,

God? - asks Swamiji

 

Meera Das

Ram Ram

 

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Krishna and His song

 

 

The Heart,

 

In longing pain

 

Cries out

 

Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!

 

The Soul rejoices.

 

 

 

The Mind

 

In love's ecstasy

 

Bows at the feet of the Beloved

 

The Soul rejoices.

 

 

 

And Krishna smiles,

 

The flute rising to his lips.

 

Ah! The symphony of the soundless sound,

 

Where

 

The seven disappear into the Light of lights

 

Where

 

Time disappears into Timelessness

 

 

 

And

 

The Heart,

 

In longing's pain

 

Keeps Crying out

 

Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!

 

And

 

Thence comes the Lords song of songs

 

The Bhagavad geetha, ah !

 

To assuage the hearts pain

 

And, the Minds thirst for Knowledge, and Light

 

aum

 

narinder bhandari

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Hari Om

 

Pawanji ! You have received sterling in sights in response to your

Qs, the last one from Mira Dassji. Truth and only truth is there in

her last message to you. If you just " accept " with a simple heart

what she has so eloquently recommended to you, your search gets over

effortlessly, then and there !! Where can Paramatma hide when you

start with goal of BG 7:19? Can ice hidden behind ice ever remain

hidden?

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Dear Sadhak,

Why think to achieve salvation at the " end " ? It cannot be a future

goal. It is HERE and NOW as stated by sadhak Narinderji.

Only effort needed is to be present Here and Now with a deep longing

to reach HIM. Now is the eternity zone. All spiritual practices like

breath control, name chanting, mala japa etc leads sadhak to remain

in present moment.

The whole world is nothing but an illusion, a web of our thinking

mind. When a sadhak practices living in here and now, he is out of

the grip of his thinking mind and all doing becomes happenings.

" Sarva Dharma Paritjya, mamekam sharanam vrij " Gitaji. when sadhak

surrender to Krishna, he accept every moment As IT IS and remains

submerged in the ocean of Love, Bliss and Peace.

with Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

 

 

Shri Hari

I am asking question due to my nature-Gita 5(14) & Gita 2(7) but

before Gita 18(73) & because I know the truth-everything belongs to

Bhagwan, the essence, I say this but I do not believe the truth, the

essence as i say in prayer written by Swami Shri Ramsukhdasji

Maharaj.

Meera Das & Pratap Bhatt has explained after Gita 18(73)

Ram Ram

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PRIOR POSTING

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Swamiji incessantly, relentlessly, persistently spoke

about " Vasudeva Sarvam "

(All is God) in the final years in His mortal body. He repeated this

many times

- PLEASE READ CAREFUL AND ACCEPT IMMEDIATELY! If there is no

questions or

doubts, then PLEASE ACCEPT RIGHT NOW!

 

Swamiji said -

Whatever is perceived with mind, speech, sight and other senses is

only God.

Accept this immediately. The active, inactive, conscious, matter,

[born of egg,

sweat and sprouting from earth] - all are God and nothing else. Good

or bad,

wicked or virtuous, all are God. There is nothing else besides God.

He who

wishes to attain God should accept this fact. As Shri Jaydayalji

Goyandka used

to say that " Whatever is seen is God's divine form and whatever is

experienced

and activities undertaken is His divine play/pastime (lila).

 

If you are very serious about your question, if you believe in Gita

4:11 (that

however a devotee worships Me, so do I approach them) and have an

ardent and

intense longing to find the answer to this question, it does not

matter if it is

at the end of life or not, SIMPLY FROM NOW ONWARDS - EVERYTHING YOU

SEE IS

BHAGWAAN'S SWAROOP (God's Divine Form) AND EVERYTHING YOU

EXPERIENCE/DO IS HIS

LILA (Divine Play/Pastime).

 

Now if a devotee worship Bhagwaan in this manner, where can

Bhagwaanji HIDE?

Tell me one place he will not be? Tell me how at the end of this

life, end of

this human body, He will not be there as Yamdoot (God of Death)?

Tell me where

you will need to go searching for this rare Devotee of God by true &

heartfelt

sentiments? If your sentiments are true and heartfelt, can you not

accept what

Gita says and what Swamiji says that Bhagwaan (Vasudeva) is

everywhere, in

everything, in all that you see, think, feel, do, experience and

more, because

there is only " Vasudeva " and this is clearly stated in the Gita 7:19

and through

out the Gita in Chapter 11 and more!

 

Do you have any further questions or doubts? Please bring them out!

 

Meera Das

Ram Ram

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Dear Sri Pawan kumar

 

I remember the words of a man who is an ardent devotee of Sri

Ramana. He used to say 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN

IF YOU DO NOT THINK OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE.

 

Please contemplate on that

 

vrsarma podury

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!

In my understanding Bhakta can ask God " why He is delaying

salvation " or he may not even need to ask. God would know all true

Bhaktas' heartfelt desires for merging in Him.

What I mean is the when you are in love with God, unconditionally,

you wouldn't want to make loving Him as a means to the end

(salvation). Such love or remembering God constantly is in itself

the means and end, without duality even though on-lookers may feel

Bhagwaan and Bhakta as separate.

I consider salvation as Moksha or liberation from a false sense

of " me " , non existent ego and establishment in Atman our true Self.

Thus salvation is what we already are. If you remember Swamiji says

Paramatma is already attained, how can you attain that whihc is

attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what we are, not

we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, not

attaining.

In attaining anything there is duality of someone who attains and

something to be attained, not the case here in this Bhakti (loving

devotion).

Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa......Karishye tavachanam....

" I remember my true Self now Lord, will do what you say " .

One lives free of " me " as Sat-Chit-Ananda only.

In salavation no individual entity survives, it is living

impersonally, as Intelligence, Love, Peace, Steadfastness! Karmas

are done when needed without doer!

Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadhak,

I am remember the boon of Kunti in Mahabharat.She requested Lord

Krishna to keep them in poverty so that she can remember almighty

God.Still however we should keep that spirit and in spite of all

troubles and our condition we should never avoid offering prayers at

least or twice.We should learn as to hoe to prayer.Please refer to

my book on 'Prayers of all Religions of the world. This is what I

feel

Truly yours

 

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Sree Pratabji, Kindly bear with me for my mistake. Your goodness

said-- say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have

time to ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in

Salvation?. Baktha is in constant thought of GOD that is why he has

full time to ask

GOD why that HE is delaying salvation. Worldly man partly with God

has time to ask GOD for his desires to be fullfilled one after the

other until death. Such man Geetha has said Kamiyartha Baktha, whom

GOD gives him long rope fulfilling his desires one after other, GOD

hoping he will become Jignasu. That hope of GOD is benovolence. Once

again pardon me if I am wrong and enlighten me.

 

Salvation is that I thought is attained stage, not living in

salvation. Salvation is to be attained and not living in it. Means

trying for salvation. Once salvation is attained there is no

desires. You are very right Sir.

B.Sathyanarayan

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God is available only when we become His and remember His Glories

and His name many times continuously, then and then we will feel His

presence within your hearts. He will be seen but his presence will

be felt. This is how Mirabai, Narsinh Mehta and Chaitainya Maha

Prabhu realized God.

This is what I feel everyday while offering prayers

 

Truly yours

S S Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Sadak,

You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but in

Veerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR

problem ends.

B.Sathyanarayan

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Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explained

by Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh Kumar

Pawan Singhal

Ram Ram

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Dear Sadhaks ,

The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Path

of a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on two

different points of time , are given below. Both are related .

 

In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated as

follows :

 

1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never have

been ( and , can never be )otherwise .

 

2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answers

are available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); it

is ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be known

at a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available to

The Knower of the Self by Existence .

 

3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). It

is always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.

Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.

 

4.The sense of Doership disappears .

 

5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows to

the Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.

Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussion

is only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

 

6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (

Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power---

--not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......

to transform the seeker ).

 

7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, we

were already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( we

shall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is the

Test ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basic

principles shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remain

Blissful, and Peaceful .

 

8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , with

the intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . The

shortest Way.

No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition of

ones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),

respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .

 

9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way to

Light is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but your

willingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).

Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truth

of Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It is

already present in YOU, You are already That .

 

 

ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )

 

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For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union with

that great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :

 

1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on the

sacred Path of love and Light.

 

2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personal

experience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable

 

3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in that

experience.

 

4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where

˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Grace

and yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.

there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any more

running away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. Existences

Play , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part of

Existential Play and Doing

 

5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is the

Knowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strive

for Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜

Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (

devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scriptures

speak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seeking

heart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma

 

6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is to

judge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movement

of the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to

die to the self , to realise the Self.

 

the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when it

arrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,

knows now , that he does not know.

 

Narinder bhandari

 

AUM

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previous

post!

I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time to

ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?

 

I say this to emphasize " remembering God and not expecting

anything " , just unconditional love for God goes a long way.

No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilation

of " me " . Without " me " , all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) have

no footing. " me " is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!

Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinly

say they are, to pay our respect!

Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,

it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,

isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have different

approaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired by

such Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique in

their own way is the proof of different expressions of the same

truth.

Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Q: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for Attaining

Salvation?

 

Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not be

attained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are no

sentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.

Remembering The God is another myth.

 

Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!

Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-

present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataract

in terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude

(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of its

hinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignorance

and inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of the

ignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception and

experience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.

Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist for

their approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is so

strong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.

Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealed

here!

 

Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishads

make it very clear:

 

Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |

 

The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such as

listening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of the

self-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects as

well as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.

Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far as

there is insistence for seeing everything through the lens of

cognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what it

sees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmitted

may not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatial

boundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The image

sensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien to

each other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.

Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality is

futile in the first place.

 

But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest to

be attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort of

seeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is the

insistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. The

insistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.

The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever could

just escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fears

cocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one could

just drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for every

one!

 

Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanum

swaam ||

 

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … just

perceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which is

The You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at your

death, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT reveals

itself within and around.

 

Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:

 

Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?

Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.

Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?

Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||

 

I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannada

equivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefit

from,

 

Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?

Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.

Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?

Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.

 

Grossly, it means,

 

How can there be a sense of existence without something being

within?

The being within remains " as is " NOT seeking anything.

How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can ever

attain That?

Understand that you can attain the one within by just being within

seeking nothing.

 

Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strength

within to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality in

his revelation on " Bhagavattattva " (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):

 

1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop Antah

Karana (intrinsic awareness).

2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innate

awareness).

3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute

(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)

 

I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in this

regard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar he

generously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is being

currently circulated.

 

Respects.

 

Naga Narayana

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Hari Om

 

Pawanji ! You " become " of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practice

a wife " becomes " of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simple

heart: I am of the God, only God is mine.

 

Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The " karta "

(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have become

Godly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God is

that which " happens " effortlessly and which is not " done " .

 

Look at the status today. We " have to " think/remember about God,

while thinking/remembering about the world " happens automatically " .

 

Why? Because at " subtle ego level " we continue to be of world. Hence

thoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the world

only , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experience

problems in concentrating.

 

CHANGE YOUR EGO from " I am of world " to " I am of God " ! Thereupon

bhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will " have

to be done " !

 

As simple as that !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God so

that we can do many good things in life and we will be happy as

posting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.

I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life without

interruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.

I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the posting

of all sadhak

Ram Ram

 

pawan singhal

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

Pawanji, kindly post " sixteen powers by God " as separate question.

From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

 

Priy sadhak

In my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in every

little bit of action happening in & around U.

Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?

Like breathing.

Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.

Can U do all this?

Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our life

without interruption and without any noise. also without showing any

ehsan.

Doesnt it make u believe & love god?

If yes love more

if no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.

Sorry if I hurt U.

I didnt mean it.

thanx

Raja Gurdasani

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Dear Sadaks,

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.

Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress and

asked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songs

were Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6

enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was with

Sri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they were

highly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left an

atom of thought any part of their life that they are already in

salvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is not

tracable.

But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.

Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares for

food. Those great men we recognised them as " Chitta Braman " , (metaly

handicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes they

will be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.

 

B.Sathyanarayan

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Pawan Kumar ji,

I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.

Love is God.

God is Love.

Love all

Serve all.

See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.

Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who is

given this blessed Birth.

Think Good

See Good

Hear Good

Do Good.

 

Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , so

thank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIS

creation.

 

By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice is

with you but to do this you always need the blessings of that

Supreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path of

salvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIM

to decide.

 

It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.

 

One need to have a strong determination and go step by step and

drop by drop you can fill the ocean.

 

I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any way

With Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal Love

KAMLESH KUMAR

HELP EVER HURT NEVER

LOVE ALL SERVE ALL

HAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAY

 

Kamlesh Kumar

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Dear Sadhakas, namaste!

Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?

Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When " I " who

expect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to be

one and the same, salvation has happened.

In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,

duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desire

anything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,

Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks of

God, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of

desire!

when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, " I " also

end at the same time, not later!

See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!

Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

 

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Dear Sadak,

pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over and

if you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.

Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, " Aninya Chitayayome " , means

constant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Your

responsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HIS

responsibility takes over.

This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE will

liberate HIS baktha in same birth.

Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, making

garlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listening

scriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleep

and practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lighting

lamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walking

around HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri Krishanaya

Vasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In all

moments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan

 

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Dear Sadhak,

 

Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form of

human being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 million

different forms of births. If we know we will always remember Him

because we are obligated to Him

 

Secondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us some

sixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life and

we will be happy.

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

 

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We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritual

practices will definitely lead us in the right direction.

Hari Shanker Deo

 

 

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SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS

- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.

See God in All. God in you is the God in All.

Serve All.

Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.

Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing to

serve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice is

yours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.

- " Aninya Chitayayome " , means constant thought on ME, that soul I

(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha in

same birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.

- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'

- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!

- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,

experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!

- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living in

Salvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not live

already in Salvation?

- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruption

and without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.

- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we are

eternally obligated to Bhagwaan

- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignorance

and inertia are removed.

- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not be

attained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannot

withold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional

reality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty in

realizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is the

insistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. The

insistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … just

perceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.

Remain " as is " NOT seeking anything. Simply be!

Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsic

awareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to

remain in The Tattva … The Absolute

- Become of " Paramatma " , then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'

has become of God. Our problem is that at " subtle ego level " we

continue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.

Change YOUR EGO from " I am of world " to " I am of God " !

- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditional

love for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead

to anhilation of " me " . Without " me " , all six enemies (anger,

jealousy, etc) have no footing.

- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.

- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.

- living in the present, Now and here.

- sense of Doership disappears

- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows to

the Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.

Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussion

is only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

- Words become Fewer

- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. Minimum

Discussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone's

Being ( SEE 1 Above ),

- and finally... drop all Knowledge

- longing for God is Existence Gift

- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to the

self , to

realise the Self. when it

arrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,

knows now , that he does not know.

- 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINK

OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE

 

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I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments which is rarebut is somewhere -Gita 7(19).God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4(11). Mymessage is how can I think of God & remember God by true sentiments so that ican get salvation at the end at least as per Gita 8(5).pawan kumar singhalRam Ram-------------------------------NEW POSTING

Hari OmLet me reflect upon Vasudev Sathyanarainji's messages as discussed upon by various sadhaks, including by Shri Pratapji. Beautiful brain storming arguments. There are 2 things in substance. One- Bahunaa Janamnaamante (BG 7:19) and another who binds whom? Maya to Purusha or vice versa.Vasudev Sathyanarainji is absolutely right. Pratapji is also not wrong. Yes after many many births ! After a long long series of lying into various wombs of different species of mothers- one gets ultimately the human life. We all have got it. For all of us this can be the LAST life- God is attained for all of us. We simply have to believe this fact. That is all.The moment you get human life- Paramatma is attained. (Prarabdha pahale racha, peechhe racha shareer- first our object has been finalised, later we got human body) You only have to realise that! Matter ends. In human life only, you can presume He is attained and realise that. (this can be, actually, the 'anta' -last- of all life forms, because the chain started from here only- from a human birth in the past).. Here only you can say - He is attained. NO WHERE ELSE ! There is no question of "when" ! Now !! In this very human birth and always/ever - so long we remain human ! How TIME comes in between ? What poor time has got to do with it? TIME has already turned in our favour as we got human birth.As regards Maya- we only accepted the affinity with inert. We- means Self ! Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya - we only can leave it. Who else can leave it? Who else accepted it? Maya means- that which does not exist. Self means- that which exists. When Self exists and Maya does not exist, the deliberation has to begin and end with Self only. The acceptance was by us. The renunciation has to be by us. What poor non existent Maya has got anything to do with bondage? Maya has no capacity to bind us. It does not exist. We keep talking/thinking/ relying upon it through mind/time/ignorance type of webs. Where is Maya to bind us? Something must exist at first place to bind us !! Leave shelter of mind- you are free ! Where is bondage thereafter?Hope the above answers the questions raised and the essence of delibreations. What can be the role of mind or time there?I have not read full series of arguments (read today only, to the extent trail is there on my BB - full trail is not there). May be I missed something from beginning. Let me know if I have. I will clarify/amend.Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B

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Loving Divine,

Pranams.

In recent post, I started a story - tree is holding me, & left to be told some other time; I think this is a perfect place :-)

A guru had 2 disciples - younge (Y) & older (O). Guru: I am going to die soon so tell me what will you do after I am gone. O: I'd continue my search for God following your teachings while remaining brahmachari (celibate). Y: I'd continue my search for God remaining in family as my parents would like. Guru blessed both but called O & requested to keep an eye on Y & died.

 

Few years later O visited Y & was happy to see him doing sadhana while remaining married. Few years passed, O visited Y again, but the picture is different. Y is in the midst of maya with his wife and kids and has almost forgotten God. O reminded him of God & promise given to guru. Y promised to start his sadhana & next time when O comes, to join him in sanyas as his kids would have been settled.

 

Few years later O came back to take Y for sanyas. Y said he can't leave now as his son's wife had delivered a baby (B) & no one takes better care of B then he. Let it grow a little, when B goes to school he will join O. Y understood the problem.

 

Next day early morning Y heard someone is shouting for help. O ran outside, saw that O has hugged a tree tightly & shouting for help claiming that this tree is not letting him go. O claimed over n over that this tree is holding him so tight that despite of his trying he can't free himself! Y understood the message & left immediately with O for to complete his sadhana for God realization!

 

We claim all the time that maya is holding us back but it is not true, we are holding on to maya and that's where the problem is. Nothing is wrong w/maya. Maya is as eternal as God himself but trying to catch hold of shadow is ignorance. As Swamiji has said - holding on requires efforts, letting go doesn't... No need to leave the house, no need to go anywhere, God is present everywhere so do your duty but in God conciousness w/o attachment, that's all. It is that simple. Baba always says - remain compassionately detached. Even though you leave your family & go to jungle, maya will follow you as you are carrying it in your head.

 

humble regards,

always at Thy Holy FeetManjula Patel

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Dear Sadaks,Thus answered Sri Vyasji, ""Na me bhaktah pransyati? There Lord Krishna asks Arjuna to take a vow that there will never be a downfall of His devotee. He asks Arjuna to take oath !! Because Krishna ( God) can deviate from HIS oath but not from the oath of HIS Bhakta"". I liked to hear from Vyasji though I knew it. Now who is Baktha? Defenition of Baktha?Slowly developing love (Desire for reading divine books, listening recorded divine lectures, meeting and spending time with Saadhus, sitting alone and craving for GOD) is one who is Baktha. Bagavan says, Kamiyartha Baktha, Prema Baktha, Niskama Prema Baktha. Only in Bakthi Marg, Bagavan takes over HIS Bakthas from start (Person who is desiring for GD0). In Sanyasa Marg or in Yog Marg Bagavan remains wittness, because in these 2 Margs Sanyasi or Yogi does have somewhere in a corner of his mind (Without his awareness) that he is Kartha for Sanyas or Yog. Bagavan said in Geetha that Sanyasi or Yogi fails several times before reaching HIM. Example: Sanakathis (Sri Bhramaji Manasa Puthras) fell pray to anger at doors of Vaikunt in cursing Jaya and Vijaya. But in case of Baktha behaving with Krodh/Kama/Loba etc HE takes care to rectify and make him realize. So many cases are there. Jai Sri krishnaB.Sathyanarayan

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PRIOR POSTINGDear Sadhakas, Namaste!One more point I want to share on Sathyanarayanji's post on Geeta saying "thatman does attain me in one of several births", so God is already attained butwhen is the question(time factor).If we look closely, that which we really are, Atman-Self-Consciousness nevertakes birth nor dies. Our ignorance as desires, latent tendencies-vaasanasacquired while in physical body forms subtle body(sanskaras) and it merges withcosmic subtle body or mass karmas of all beings upon death. It gets recycledthrough another body and ignorance continues its journey further until itrealizes its true nature in some human birth. So that which we truly are nevertakes re-birth. Thus by the time one realizes many births may have gone, butonly in ignorance, like in a dream! This is what I think Krishnaji may havemeant.Upon realizing Atman how does it matter how many births have gone? Again we saythis to emphasize the immediacy of the Realization. From the point of view ofmind, time is there, but time has not played any part in realization.How can it, it is not real. It is a simplistic and pragmatic assumptions. Evenan hour by clock time is experienced differently by different people, some findit too long when perceived boring, some find it too quick when perceivedinteresting! Time which is of Maya is flowing, and can never be experienced bymind. Thus what we call NOW is not mind's experience, it is mind's concept ofzero duration! Like in a dream we can experience whole life in few minutes, butupon waking up, there was no reality! So by saying it takes several births torealize we don't convey any value to those on the path of inquiry, on thecontrary it discourages.Besides, several births are only almost zero second to God, whose Grace bestowsRealization to those who are in fit to receive in His judgment!Namaskar.............Pratap Bhatt------------------------Dear sadaks,Sri Vyasji has given nice explanation to my query BG 9:31- Na me bhaktahpransyati? Thank you.B.Sathyanarayan------------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Dear Sathyanarayanji, please accept my pranaam, you need not beg pardon! we areonly exchanging our understanding! Let us be in the spirit of oneness as yousaid and freely exchange!Let me do the best I can to clarify. "Does Maya bind us or we are binded byMaya. That is, "is Maya making us to be bonded or are we getting ourselves intoMaya", you asked.Maya binds us as long as we don't inquire who we truly ARE! We consider us asbody-mind limited entity and it continues as long as we allow it to gounchecked! We do have freedom for this inquiry! We can be free of suchignorance, and stop Maya at individual level. However, if we don't exercise thisfreedom in this birth, we continue to live in ignorance of Maya! So, Maya haspower only if we give it to! Maya stays away from True Bhaktas you give examplesof many times! Those bent on inquiry are Bhaktas of TRUTH!Maya also refers to illusion at cosmic level, is universal for all of us! Forexample, rainbow is illusion in the sense seven colors are seen as magnificentbow(of Rama as some say) just from rain water and sunlight, or mirrage seen indesert etc etc. Even when we know the truth we continue to see Rainbow andmirrages, however, it cannot bind us anymore, on the contrary it is joy all theway.Stories in our puranas are to emphasize the importance of stepping out of Maya,and some dramatization always help in such stories. Narada has this big ego ofwinning Maya, so, he was fooled is one such example!When we look at the world and take objects as real, not knowing it as Ishwara,its reality, it is due to Maya principle, it is said. It means, Maya is not aproblem, but to consider it REAL is the ignorance! If Maya can end, it isappearance and not permanent, that which appears but is not, Permanent is THATwhich never ceases to be. BG 2:16.Namaskar...............Pratap Bhatt-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShri HariI belong to God -I accepted it first of all. One could see who has gyan & othercould not see who has agyan. I and my-ness is main obstacle which i finddifficult to conquer to get peace(Gita 2.71). I am trying as sadhak.Ram Rampawan singhal------------------NEW POSTINGThank you all for your insights and co-operation. On having satsang withdevotees of Swamiji in Vrindavan (Shri Nawal Ram ji and consulting ShriRameshji Maharaj by telephone), I learned the following -Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind's nature to bein constant search. Search of worldly matters and things or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically divert from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.Jai Sri Krishnapawan singhal-----Hari OmIt is so divine to read message of Catherine to Sadhaks. Nothing more needs tobe done. Nothing more needs to be known. Nothing more needs to be got. Such isthe power in what she is practicing. You have caught the nerve of Satsanga-Sadhika Catherine. My pranaams to you.Sathyanarainji ! Are you referring Sir to BG 9:31- Na me bhaktah pransyati?There Lord Krishna asks Arjuna to take a vow that there will never be a downfallof His devotee. He asks Arjuna to take oath !! Because Krishna ( God) candeviate fron His oath but not from the oath of His Bhakta, viz Arjuna. It is aguarantee of highest order by Paramatma to the Sadhaks. If you turn towards Me ,you shall never fall thereafter ! Krishna had, before Mahabharat War had takenan oath that he shall not lift weapon in the war. When Bheesma Pitamah knew,then he took the oath that I will make Krishna lift the weapon. Krishna forgotabout His oath and ensured that Bhishma Pitamah's oath is protected and liftedthe wheel of a broken Ratha ( chariot) and ran after Bhisma. . Such is the God,Dear Sadhaks.Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B--------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Dear Sathyanarayanji, you need not beg pardon. We are exchanging ourunderstanding on this wisdom platform! God is really playing by being us in ourroles, I am sure of this as you are! I am not attached to what I share withsadhakas, and never insist it is the only truth!It has and is helping me to go deep within to feel the hidden, invisiblePresence and put few words around it as if finger is pointing at Moon. Just asfinger cannot touch the moon, mind cannot conceive the Presence, SELF! This maysound like bad news. but the good news is: since Self is already what "I" is,ever attained! So "I" cannot attain "SELF", just as eyes cannot see eyes even asthey see everything. The Grace points to the eyes "my dear, the fact that yousee everything is the proof of your Being more than what you see, so stopsearching and just be!". The eyes heed and realize, not that they will seethemselves ever, but the need to see themselves disappear altogether! Mind ispointed the same truth "you cannot see God separate from you, You ARE IT!It is the same here, all attempts to attain Paramatman by "me", non existententity, stops. Then all notions, beliefs which are images in the mind of Godbeing separate from "me" drop away in this Realization!In that Realization, mind becomes quiet, peaceful on its own in which Glimpse ofAtman is natural. So, I don't entertain any ideas about separate God right atthe outset, not wait for Realization to happen!This is what I understand by Paramatman is already attained! Vasudeva Sarvamfrom the beginning!Unfortunately mind comes back and claims that Glimpse(of God) to be his ownexperience, not realizing that it was absent when Glimpse was Present. Kabirjiputs this as "Either Hari or "me", both cannot be present on the path ofLOVE"(Prem gali ati sankari, tame na samay do................).The Grace by the way, takes the guise of Swamiji or like him or scripture ordevotion or Satsang with spiritual friends like thhis forum.So why don't we realize now? Realization is like glimpses, like lightening,flashes here and flashes there, in time frame from the point of mind, but notdue to time really! When someone realizes SELF, it has nothing to do withelapsed time, because suppose if the same one didn't realize then also timewould have elapsed, right? So time is not the independent variable in theequation at all, only understanding brings it! Understanding means Devotion orSelf-less Karmas or any combinations, but finally only Grace will do it! You canonly go to the Gateless Gate and wait, and the doors open when God wants it!This is the reason Saints say that you do sadhana, and in time You will realize.Time is just a thought which references a point in the past and thought arise inus such as "oh, it took 5 years to realize or change" etc etc. No one canexperience the time in chronological way(it is running river), we experienceonly interveals of time as thoughts only. Thought is psychological time,thoughts creates time(and space too)! see for yourself.Few more clarifications later!Namaskar.........Pratap Bhatt--\------PRIOR POSTINGI am devotee of God and have never had doubts of his existence. I attain Godthis way. I put in different places little post it notes, Please do not let meforget You even for a moment, I say He Naath, He Mere Naath, I think on Bagwaan,Paramatma and Vasudev Sarvam all times. I use prayer of Oh Father let me neverforget you even for a moment, oh Compassionate One, let Your sweet memory bealways with me.Oh kind hearted my Father, my Master there is no one else, let menot forget you even in my dreams,while walking, eating, sleeping let me onlythink of You.In whatever I do let me always think of You.Your sweet, sweetmemories ever remain.Please grace me with this remembrance.. whatever work thatis being done yet in my heart, in my mind there is only God. Please I lie atyour lotus feet entreating let not even a moment pass without me rememberingyou, let me think of you every second, HE NAATH HE MERE NAATH Let me neverforget, let me remember all times...catherine--------------------------------Hari OmPawanji. Why you should consider some thing to be difficult to conquer? What isthe difficulty?What is yours? A thing/body over which you have no independent control , canthat be yours? By what yardstick you consider some thing/body to be yours? Athing/body which was not yours in the past, not going to be yours in the future,at present also it is constantly drifting away from you, how that thing can beyours? Where is the difficulty in understanding this simple fact?Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B---Dear sadaks,I first beg pardon from Sri Pratabji. Sri Pratabji, Sri Vyasji, Sri Mikeji, andall those NAMES mentioned by Sri Vyasji are one of Paramathuma` s and notdifferant. Only names divides to produce sounds. Sri Pratabji, it is not me whoimplied on you. Where is you or me? We are one and the same as said by you.Sri Pratabji you have answered in your posting. That is, ""We make suchstatements as "until you realize Self or Paramatman, you are in Maya, bondage!But I say until you choose to remain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" Iknew you will precisely answer and only in that sense I requested you.One more clarification from sadaks on the above line,""until you choose toremain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" Does Maya bind us or we arebinded by Maya. That is, "is Maya making us to be bonded or are we gettingourselves into Maya" Some sadak has written about Naradhji getting monkey facebecause he said he won Maya. Maya has played with Paramathuma when HE decendedto earth as Badrinarayana, and with Bagavan Shiva and Maya lost & went back inshame.""Swamiji means what he said "Paramatman is already attained", is a statement offact we need to discover for ourselves!"" promtly said by SriPratabjiBagavan said in Geetha that line, ""Aneka Samshidayah-------". That man doesattain me in one of the several births."" which means that man alreadyattained, but when is the question (Time factor).Dear Sadaks, kindly enlighten me on the line starting with ""Name Baktha-----""said in Geetha. Please be precise in answer with a story example if possible.Namaste to Sri Pratabji and all other sadaks.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan--------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear sadak, (pawan singhal )Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind nature to be inconstant search. Search of worldly matters and things/ Or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically diverse from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan--------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Sri Pratab Bhatt says, To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delaying salvation" or he maynot even need to ask. God would know all true Bhaktas' heartfelt desires formerging in Him."" But Swamiji saidGoswamiji has said `Lord, give me your devotion and free me of desires, angerand faults'. Only `Give me your devotion as that alone will suffice.' 3rd March,2009, Tuesday Falgun Shukla Panchami, Vikram Samvat 2065, MangalvarSri Pratab I know he will have answer for SadhaksJai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Sri Pratabji thus said so is absolutely correct, Thus salvation is what wealready are. If you remember Swamiji says Paramatma is already attained, how canyou attain that which is attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is whatwe are, not we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.Now the question comes from ordinary men. -1) I am fraud, doing all underhand dealings, I cheat people and bank or evennation, I know how bad I am. Sir, you are telling me that I already attainedParamathuma .2) Politician said, I know what I am doing and Sir you call me I attainedParamathuma. Don’t be kidding.3) Student said, I have to achieve so much in life Sir you say I attainedParamathuma.4) Householder said, I have to get my children married and see that they getsettled, don’t be joking I attained Paramathuma.What Swamiji said was also correct. Then where came the difference?Human alone is blessed with such a body and intellect that can discriminate goodand bad, body and the soul, jeeva and paramathuma. Now a boy is told that he isfit to become doctor. He studies hard and gets Degree as a doctor. He did notknow he can become doctor until told. He then studied well and became doctoronly on listening to advisor (Guru). So Swamiji shares the teachings of the Gitaand scriptures saying human has in built capacity and ability to attain God.Which means that one need not fear that he cannot attain GOD, as he has allprovisions to attain God. But human does not know this power within is there.Now take animals they don't have that power to attain God, except in exceptionalcases. Animals have to raise to human level to attain God. Referance; KapilaGeetha told by Bagavan to Deva Hoothi. Even devatas, Indra etc are to take humanbirth and get salvation says Vedas. This valuable life gift (Godliness) isattained, but unaware of the birth of a human birth gift obtained by passingthrough various birth from tree to animals. Misuse this birth and go back to aworm in a dust bin says Vivekachudamani. Narayana Batadri a famous sant ofGuruvayuralso wrote that the human body is invaluable gift, if misused one takesbirth as animals. Referance: Srimath Narayiniyam. Bagavan in Geetha also said,"Aneka Jalma Samshidayaha-----" Gyan is that you now accept that you are in aattained position of Paramathuma. Vig (Scientifically- Science of Creation) isapplied to Gyan and one becomes Vig Gyani where by he can never ever commitmistake after becoming so. A Gyani has committed mistake but Vig Gyani does not.Best Example: Adi Sankara was Gyani but his Gyan was incomplete, until BagavanShiva came in disguise as Chandala with 4 dogs in street of Kasi and gave VigGyan. Referance : Manisha Panchakam.Sri Pratabji wrote that "Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa. .....Karishyetavachanam.. .."I remember my true Self now Lord, I will do what you say".So every human needs Sri Krishna. the Guru to say these, then he will say, Iremember my true self until then he is in maya.Sadaks, body is a vital tool to attain Paramathuma. Bhramaji was jealous inheaven when he saw Sri Krishna eating along with his friends in Vridavan, onefeeding each other. He thought what a gift to be a child in Vrindavan along withSri Krishna. My post is useless. Devas and devathas where still more jealous andit would have best to be a calf or cow there rather than in this Bog lok wastingtime.Sadaks we are blessed to be in human form on earth to the extent to serve SriKrishna in Pooja, in making Mala, in giving HIM fruits, in prostrating at hisfeet, in singing HIS songs, in seeing HIM blissfully. This NO ONE else in 13Loks can do. Referance : Sants of Panderpur, Shenayi, Chota Mela, Sakubai etc.and also written in Gyanapaana of the great sant who flew to Vaikunt by PuspakaViman in 1650 at Malapuram in public view Sant Sri Poothanam.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------False asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti) Said Sri pawan singhal.How many times happiness came and gone?. How many times unhappiness came andgone? It will come and go, so be aware of this truth.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariI accept Gita 7(19) that God is everywhere and in everything but Ican not realise God due to lack of understanding of Gita 18(48) & false asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti).I am trying to make relationship with self but in vain. Other way isonly to meet the devotee of God in physical form as guided in Gita 4(34). I realise swamiji as Giani -Gita 4(34) & take benefit tillassociation with Him. Now I am trying those benefit through group that is insant satsang. I have already requested tosadhakas of this group but in vain.I believe in association of great soul in physical form to getspiritual guidance as I feel with Swamiji at Rishikesh & Kolkatta.Please assist me to meet divine sadhaka & other realised greatsoul/Giani/devotee of Godpawan singhalRam Ram----------------------------NEW POSTINGShri HariLonging is by the Self is answer of my question as explained byMeera Das. I request to Sh. Meera Das & all sadhaks please explainHow it will happen? I can only pray to God. I am helpless.Ram Rampawan singhal------------------------Shree HariRam RamHere are simple, clear and very easy words spoken in Hindi bySwamiji -"Sabse pehle sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hoon. Ek baar saralhriday se dridhta poorvak sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hihoon. Jab aap bhagwaan ke ho to aapko unki smriti ke liye kuch karnahi nahin padega. Aapki har kriya unki pooja hogi."Meager attempt at translating these simple words -"First of all, accept that I am Bhagwaan's (I belong to God). Justonce, with a simple, straight forward heart, accept with a firmconviction, that I am only Bhagwaan's (I belong to only God). Whenyou become Bhagwaan's then you will have to do absolutely nothingfor His rememberance. All your activities will become His worship."Now the Panchamrit (Five Golden Principles) just happens on it'sown -1) I am only God's2) I reside in His kingdom only3) I do His work (good and auspicious) only4) I receive only His prasad (blessing/offering)5) With the prasad received from Him, I serve only His family.Now what will cause you to forgot Bhagwaan (God)? When you becomesomeone's do you have to remember you belong to them? Do you haveto recite at night I belong to Him, I belong to Him, I belong toHim? Do you have to study to remind yourself, since I belong to myBeloved, I must cook and do other work for Him? Do you have toremind yourself that since I belong to Him, I must take care of Hischildren? and so on?Become Bhagwaan's (God's) ONLY ONCE !!!! .... says Swamiji... Magicfollows... undoubtedly.Meera DasRam Ram---------------------------In India we are lucky to have amongst us God realised souls who areshowing others the path to salvation. These gurus by shunningworldly comforts and possessions are showing us the way. Once werealise that every thing that we see is maya or illusion and thatthe only truth is the Soul or Atma within each of us whose only goalis to unite with the Parmatma, we can attain salvation. What we aretoday is the result of our past karmas but we can control what wewill become through through the result of our present karmas. So ifwe follow the right path of sewa or helping others, satsang orseeking the company of good people, sadhna or spiritual practicesand dhyan or meditation to connect with our Soul then we will be onthe right path.Hari Shanker Deo--------------------------Thank You Narinder Bhandariji. I bow to YOU and The Krishnarejoicing your Rejoice.Respects.Naga Narayana----------------------------Dear Sadaks,One says Salvation/Mukthi is always there. Another point said thatyou that Sat Chit and Anandham. Then why one has to suffer? Becausereason1) One knows not to tell lies, but says- Mind level.2) One knows drinking alcohol is wrong, but drinks -Body level.3) One knows that he has to Sadhana, but does not do, intellectlevel.These 3 are called Trikarna Sudhi (Clealiness of body mind andintellect) How to achieve it? By guidance - God/Guru. SalvationMukthi is there, but one is not living in it as the qualities arenot there. A person with eye sight is unable to read. But then heneeds spectacles. So the body, mind and intellect is not in form, itis spoilt. He needs Gyan (Spectacle) to see within (Athuman) hisswaroop.He gets from Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh. Until then he does notrealize that he is easily reachable to God/Salvation/Mukthi. That iswhy without Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh he undergoes birth afterbirth. The man who obtained Gyan knows preyty well that his Swaroopis itself divine and because of curtain of Maya he lost valuablelife time.What is wrong in learning from the saint's teachings? In fact theirteaching are there for one to follow. Otherwise those historiescould not have been written. In fact it is easy to follow a saintpath to reach God faster. Saints showed easy methods that could makeone realize.There were so many disciples who followed the instructions of theirGuru and obtained Mukthi. Example: Sant Ekanath. In Kaliyug it isdifficult for man to read scriptures/Sanskrit Etc and then know thepath. In Srimath Bagavath says in Kaliyug Namasankeerthan is enoughto get liberated. Each yuga Dharma is there in Scripts. If someonetells me easy and quick and fast way to reach Badrinath, what iswrong in following his advise. So are Bakthas who guides us. Just bypresenting a flower Mala daily with faith and love to God a saint(Vishnu Chithar) says it will pave path to Vaikunt. It seems easybut if one tries that somewhere or other he fails in timely pooja orloose a day without, or gets stuck to some business or occupied in afamily function Etc. So sincerity, faith, love towards God settingaside even a great need of family produces realization. Sadaks, manyof us go temple say certain day Friday/Saterday. How punctual are we?Hiranyakasipu and Prahald had argument where is GOD. Prahald said HEis everywhere. His father asked is HE in this pillar. Prahaladsays, "Drusyate" (Yes I see God). His father says "Nah Durshyate" (Ican not see HIM). Why? One has Gyan the other has Agyan. ThoughParamathuma there , one could see and other could not see. Most ofus are still in Agyan. Here Guru was Prahalad who showed GOd andHiranyakasipu obtained Mukthi.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam RamDear Pawanji, Swamiji has said that such experience of the presenceof God, the rememberance of God, your Beloved One by truesentiments, is only possible by one's own Self. Not by mind/intellect and not by trying to remember. It is only when thislonging is by the Self, that it happens on it's own simply,naturally, and involuntarily (Swabhavik). Swamiji says this is soinnate that it happens even in one's sleep. Rather it happensnaturally all the time. Intense attachment and longing for God -round the clock. It is not about "doing" but simply "being". Itsimply and naturally "IS". Absolutely nothing has to be done toremember our Beloved One.Just like when our Beloved is going to arrive by train, and we havenot seen him for a long time and we are waiting at the railwaystation for Him, and we feel the anxiety, the longing - When will myBeloved come? When will I see Him? How much longer will it be beforeour eyes meet? This anticipation, this longing is so intense thatone simply cannot wait even a moment. It is consuming ! Just thatone thought.. when will I see my Beloved!Just like when we are intensely thirsty and are consumed with thethought of a sip of water. Do you have such enthusiasm? Such drive?Such Zeal? Such Intensity? Such Sentiments to meet Your Beloved One,God? - asks SwamijiMeera DasRam Ram-----------------------------Krishna and His songThe Heart,In longing painCries outKrishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!The Soul rejoices.The MindIn love's ecstasyBows at the feet of the BelovedThe Soul rejoices.And Krishna smiles,The flute rising to his lips.Ah! The symphony of the soundless sound,WhereThe seven disappear into the Light of lightsWhereTime disappears into TimelessnessAndThe Heart,In longing's painKeeps Crying outKrishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!AndThence comes the Lords song of songsThe Bhagavad geetha, ah !To assuage the hearts painAnd, the Minds thirst for Knowledge, and Lightaumnarinder bhandari-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGHari OmPawanji ! You have received sterling in sights in response to yourQs, the last one from Mira Dassji. Truth and only truth is there inher last message to you. If you just "accept" with a simple heartwhat she has so eloquently recommended to you, your search gets overeffortlessly, then and there !! Where can Paramatma hide when youstart with goal of BG 7:19? Can ice hidden behind ice ever remainhidden?Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B------------------------------Dear Sadhak,Why think to achieve salvation at the "end" ? It cannot be a futuregoal. It is HERE and NOW as stated by sadhak Narinderji.Only effort needed is to be present Here and Now with a deep longingto reach HIM. Now is the eternity zone. All spiritual practices likebreath control, name chanting, mala japa etc leads sadhak to remainin present moment.The whole world is nothing but an illusion, a web of our thinkingmind. When a sadhak practices living in here and now, he is out ofthe grip of his thinking mind and all doing becomes happenings."Sarva Dharma Paritjya, mamekam sharanam vrij"Gitaji. when sadhaksurrender to Krishna, he accept every moment As IT IS and remainssubmerged in the ocean of Love, Bliss and Peace.with Love,a sadhikaSadhna KarigarShri HariI am asking question due to my nature-Gita 5(14) & Gita 2(7) butbefore Gita 18(73) & because I know the truth-everything belongs toBhagwan, the essence, I say this but I do not believe the truth, theessence as i say in prayer written by Swami Shri RamsukhdasjiMaharaj.Meera Das & Pratap Bhatt has explained after Gita 18(73)Ram Ram----------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam RamSwamiji incessantly, relentlessly, persistently spokeabout "Vasudeva Sarvam"(All is God) in the final years in His mortal body. He repeated thismany times- PLEASE READ CAREFUL AND ACCEPT IMMEDIATELY! If there is noquestions ordoubts, then PLEASE ACCEPT RIGHT NOW!Swamiji said -Whatever is perceived with mind, speech, sight and other senses isonly God.Accept this immediately. The active, inactive, conscious, matter,[born of egg,sweat and sprouting from earth] - all are God and nothing else. Goodor bad,wicked or virtuous, all are God. There is nothing else besides God.He whowishes to attain God should accept this fact. As Shri JaydayaljiGoyandka usedto say that "Whatever is seen is God's divine form and whatever isexperiencedand activities undertaken is His divine play/pastime (lila).If you are very serious about your question, if you believe in Gita4:11 (thathowever a devotee worships Me, so do I approach them) and have anardent andintense longing to find the answer to this question, it does notmatter if it isat the end of life or not, SIMPLY FROM NOW ONWARDS - EVERYTHING YOUSEE ISBHAGWAAN'S SWAROOP (God's Divine Form) AND EVERYTHING YOUEXPERIENCE/DO IS HISLILA (Divine Play/Pastime).Now if a devotee worship Bhagwaan in this manner, where canBhagwaanji HIDE?Tell me one place he will not be? Tell me how at the end of thislife, end ofthis human body, He will not be there as Yamdoot (God of Death)?Tell me whereyou will need to go searching for this rare Devotee of God by true & heartfeltsentiments? If your sentiments are true and heartfelt, can you notaccept whatGita says and what Swamiji says that Bhagwaan (Vasudeva) iseverywhere, ineverything, in all that you see, think, feel, do, experience andmore, becausethere is only "Vasudeva" and this is clearly stated in the Gita 7:19and throughout the Gita in Chapter 11 and more!Do you have any further questions or doubts? Please bring them out!Meera DasRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sri Pawan kumarI remember the words of a man who is an ardent devotee of SriRamana. He used to say 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVENIF YOU DO NOT THINK OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE.Please contemplate on thatvrsarma poduryPRIOR POSTINGDear Sadhakas, Namaste!To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delayingsalvation" or he may not even need to ask. God would know all trueBhaktas' heartfelt desires for merging in Him.What I mean is the when you are in love with God, unconditionally,you wouldn't want to make loving Him as a means to the end(salvation). Such love or remembering God constantly is in itselfthe means and end, without duality even though on-lookers may feelBhagwaan and Bhakta as separate.I consider salvation as Moksha or liberation from a false senseof "me", non existent ego and establishment in Atman our true Self.Thus salvation is what we already are. If you remember Swamiji saysParamatma is already attained, how can you attain that whihc isattained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what we are, notwe will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.In attaining anything there is duality of someone who attains andsomething to be attained, not the case here in this Bhakti (lovingdevotion).Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa......Karishye tavachanam...."I remember my true Self now Lord, will do what you say".One lives free of "me" as Sat-Chit-Ananda only.In salavation no individual entity survives, it is livingimpersonally, as Intelligence, Love, Peace, Steadfastness! Karmasare done when needed without doer!Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt------------------------------Dear Sadhak,I am remember the boon of Kunti in Mahabharat.She requested LordKrishna to keep them in poverty so that she can remember almightyGod.Still however we should keep that spirit and in spite of alltroubles and our condition we should never avoid offering prayers atleast or twice.We should learn as to hoe to prayer.Please refer tomy book on 'Prayers of all Religions of the world. This is what IfeelTruly yoursShankerprasad S Bhatt--------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGSree Pratabji, Kindly bear with me for my mistake. Your goodnesssaid-- say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he havetime to ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living inSalvation?. Baktha is in constant thought of GOD that is why he hasfull time to askGOD why that HE is delaying salvation. Worldly man partly with Godhas time to ask GOD for his desires to be fullfilled one after theother until death. Such man Geetha has said Kamiyartha Baktha, whomGOD gives him long rope fulfilling his desires one after other, GODhoping he will become Jignasu. That hope of GOD is benovolence. Onceagain pardon me if I am wrong and enlighten me.Salvation is that I thought is attained stage, not living insalvation. Salvation is to be attained and not living in it. Meanstrying for salvation. Once salvation is attained there is nodesires. You are very right Sir.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------God is available only when we become His and remember His Gloriesand His name many times continuously, then and then we will feel Hispresence within your hearts. He will be seen but his presence willbe felt. This is how Mirabai, Narsinh Mehta and Chaitainya MahaPrabhu realized God.This is what I feel everyday while offering prayersTruly yoursS S Bhatt-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear Sadak,You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but inVeerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youRproblem ends.B.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explainedby Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh KumarPawan SinghalRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sadhaks ,The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Pathof a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on twodifferent points of time , are given below. Both are related .In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated asfollows :1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never havebeen ( and , can never be )otherwise .2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answersare available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); itis ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be knownat a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available toThe Knower of the Self by Existence .3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). Itis always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.4.The sense of Doership disappears .5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power-----not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......to transform the seeker ).7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, wewere already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( weshall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is theTest ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basicprinciples shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remainBlissful, and Peaceful .8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , withthe intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . Theshortest Way.No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition ofones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way toLight is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but yourwillingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truthof Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It isalready present in YOU, You are already That .ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )-------------For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union withthat great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on thesacred Path of love and Light.2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personalexperience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in thatexperience.4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Graceand yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any morerunning away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. ExistencesPlay , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part ofExistential Play and Doing5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is theKnowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strivefor Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scripturesspeak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seekingheart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is tojudge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movementof the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses todie to the self , to realise the Self.the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.Narinder bhandariAUM----------------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previouspost!I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time toask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?I say this to emphasize "remembering God and not expectinganything", just unconditional love for God goes a long way.No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilationof "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) haveno footing. "me" is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinlysay they are, to pay our respect!Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have differentapproaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired bysuch Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique intheir own way is the proof of different expressions of the sametruth.Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGQ: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for AttainingSalvation?Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are nosentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.Remembering The God is another myth.Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataractin terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of itshinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of theignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception andexperience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist fortheir approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is sostrong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealedhere!Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishadsmake it very clear:Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such aslistening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of theself-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects aswell as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far asthere is insistence for seeing everything through the lens ofcognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what itsees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmittedmay not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatialboundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The imagesensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien toeach other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality isfutile in the first place.But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest tobe attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort ofseeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever couldjust escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fearscocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one couldjust drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for everyone!Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanumswaam ||Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which isThe You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at yourdeath, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT revealsitself within and around.Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannadaequivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefitfrom,Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.Grossly, it means,How can there be a sense of existence without something beingwithin?The being within remains "as is" NOT seeking anything.How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can everattain That?Understand that you can attain the one within by just being withinseeking nothing.Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strengthwithin to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality inhis revelation on "Bhagavattattva" (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop AntahKarana (intrinsic awareness).2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innateawareness).3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in thisregard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar hegenerously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is beingcurrently circulated.Respects.Naga Narayana------------------------------Hari OmPawanji ! You "become" of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practicea wife "becomes" of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simpleheart: I am of the God, only God is mine.Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The "karta"(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have becomeGodly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God isthat which "happens" effortlessly and which is not "done" .Look at the status today. We "have to" think/remember about God,while thinking/remembering about the world "happens automatically".Why? Because at "subtle ego level" we continue to be of world. Hencethoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the worldonly , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experienceproblems in concentrating.CHANGE YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" ! Thereuponbhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will "haveto be done"!As simple as that !Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B------------------------------Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God sothat we can do many good things in life and we will be happy asposting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life withoutinterruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the postingof all sadhakRam Rampawan singhal--------------------------------Shree HariRam RamPawanji, kindly post "sixteen powers by God" as separate question.From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram RamPRIOR POSTINGPriy sadhakIn my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in everylittle bit of action happening in & around U.Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?Like breathing.Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.Can U do all this?Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our lifewithout interruption and without any noise. also without showing anyehsan.Doesnt it make u believe & love god?If yes love moreif no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.Sorry if I hurt U.I didnt mean it.thanxRaja Gurdasani------------------------Dear Sadaks,Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress andasked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songswere Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was withSri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they werehighly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left anatom of thought any part of their life that they are already insalvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is nottracable.But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares forfood. Those great men we recognised them as "Chitta Braman", (metalyhandicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes theywill be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear Pawan Kumar ji,I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.Love is God.God is Love.Love allServe all.See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who isgiven this blessed Birth.Think GoodSee GoodHear GoodDo Good.Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , sothank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIScreation.By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice iswith you but to do this you always need the blessings of thatSupreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path ofsalvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIMto decide.It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.One need to have a strong determination and go step by step anddrop by drop you can fill the ocean.I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any wayWith Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal LoveKAMLESH KUMARHELP EVER HURT NEVERLOVE ALL SERVE ALLHAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAYKamlesh Kumar------------------------------Dear Sadhakas, namaste!Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When "I" whoexpect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to beone and the same, salvation has happened.In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desireanything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,Beauty, Harmony, Joy!Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object ofdesire!when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, "I" alsoend at the same time, not later!See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt----------------------------Dear Sadak,pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over andif you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, "Aninya Chitayayome", meansconstant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Yourresponsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HISresponsibility takes over.This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE willliberate HIS baktha in same birth.Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, makinggarlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listeningscriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleepand practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lightinglamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walkingaround HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri KrishanayaVasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In allmoments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------Dear Sadhak,Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form ofhuman being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 milliondifferent forms of births. If we know we will always remember Himbecause we are obligated to HimSecondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us somesixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life andwe will be happy.Shankerprasad S Bhatt----------------------------We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritualpractices will definitely lead us in the right direction.Hari Shanker Deo-------------------------------SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.See God in All. God in you is the God in All.Serve All.Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing toserve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice isyours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.- "Aninya Chitayayome", means constant thought on ME, that soul I(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha insame birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living inSalvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruptionand without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we areeternally obligated to Bhagwaan- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed.- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannotwithold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptionalreality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty inrealizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.Remain "as is" NOT seeking anything. Simply be!Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsicawareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti toremain in The Tattva … The Absolute- Become of "Paramatma", then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'has become of God. Our problem is that at "subtle ego level" wecontinue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.Change YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" !- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditionallove for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) leadto anhilation of "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger,jealousy, etc) have no footing.- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.- living in the present, Now and here.- sense of Doership disappears- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.- Words become Fewer- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. MinimumDiscussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone'sBeing ( SEE 1 Above ),- and finally... drop all Knowledge- longing for God is Existence Gift- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to theself , torealise the Self. when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.- 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINKOF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE-------------------------GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE -1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible..3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to theextent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. 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I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments which is rarebut is somewhere -Gita 7(19).God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4(11). Mymessage is how can I think of God & remember God by true sentiments so that ican get salvation at the end at least as per Gita 8(5).pawan kumar singhalRam Ram-------------------------------NEW POSTING

Time is just a thought which references a point in the past, and thought arise in ............

 

How True , Partap jee, how true !

 

what to do ....... ah.................... what should poor nari do..............?

 

 

The natkhat is the Vasudeva Sarvam

 

and Time is only a thought ................ no reality !

 

how impotent narinder becomes , while Krishna plays and plays ............ ah !

 

 

Beloved Krishna

In the game of twoness

You smile as One-ness.

And

In the bliss of one-ness

You dance as two-ness!

 

And, it seems to poor narinder

That

Only Loving is real; You and I false

You are false, Govinda, You are false

You do not exist, nor I

Only Love exists

But even so,

and narinder cannot help loving YOU !

When I say ‘I love You Govinda’, why do you smile?

Love is real

Love alone is real

And

In its mad dance of loving

It chooses to become for one moment

You , The Lord of Lords

And I, Your eternal plaything, your slave, your beloved

Pining and yearning for You

Ecstatically seeking oblivion

In Your look

In Your smile

In your touch.

 

Ah, Krishna ! You are NOT fair !

AUM

narinder

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Ah, my friends, once narinder ventured to ask Krishna what Love is, and how to love God, who is Love ! "O Beloved,….. Love, the mystery, the mystery that you are Beloved, how can it ever be `known'! How can anyone ever know and understand it! Love is Un–knowable! You, my Beloved, are un-knowable. Only you know yourself by yourself… only you reveal to your own Self , the mystery of Love and Loving !" And........... Thus Spake Krishna "O narinder…. You can not know Love, but you can be Love, you can only Be. Be that Love. Be love. And, narinder, when you are Love, you `know' Love. You know what Love IS. Ah ! Narinder, who wish to capture Love in words, let us share a moment … let us become Love, This Moment Now. The love, which is the opposite of `hate' is not what Love is . The love, which embraces hate, which co-exists along with `hate', is Being, is Love .

You can not know love ….. you cannot `do' love…. But you can feel Love. You can be Love. Love is not a `doing'.Love is a happening.Love is not a ' thought'...... thinking. Love is a feeling. Love is your Being, your whole-ness, your crying need not to withhold anything from anyone, nor inflict anything on anyone. A million words may be written about love. But if you have not felt it, you have not known it as your own Being-ness---------------you know nothing about Love! And, …. if you have felt it … felt it as your blood, bone and marrow, as your breath and consciousness, as your whole Being, as that, without which, you feel ` not alive'…. Then, narinder, you need no words, no affirmation, no proof, no knowledge…. You need no discussion, no analysis. Love is sufficient unto Love . Ah ! Narinder…. You are love infinite. Infinite and choiceless; and you are the creator , sustainer and destroyer.Blessed by Love,you create in love. In Love, you sustain, and destroy too… in Love. All your doing, all your knowing , which in truth is of the nature of ` not –doing'… and `not – knowing, is nothing but Love. O nari, what indeed can be said of love! Only Love can know what love is! …….Not I …. not I … not I…. Love is `not I ' And yet, O narinder, Love and I, I and Love, are not –two. I indeed am Love!"

"Thank You, Beloved , thank you for leading Nari to Yourself for understanding of Love," This, now Narinder prays, "O Beloved….. lead me, O Lord, to the presence of those, who have known Love … who are love… who are Krishna … who you are ! Because, Govinda, my heart and soul are scorched by the heat of Love! And the fire can only be extinguished by the ambrosial showers of love from your Bhaktas, who have known Love, who are Love… who you yourself are! " Jai Krishna, Jai Jai !

AUM

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Hari OmLet me reflect upon Vasudev Sathyanarainji's messages as discussed upon by various sadhaks, including by Shri Pratapji. Beautiful brain storming arguments. There are 2 things in substance. One- Bahunaa Janamnaamante (BG 7:19) and another who binds whom? Maya to Purusha or vice versa.Vasudev Sathyanarainji is absolutely right. Pratapji is also not wrong. Yes after many many births ! After a long long series of lying into various wombs of different species of mothers- one gets ultimately the human life. We all have got it. For all of us this can be the LAST life- God is attained for all of us. We simply have to believe this fact. That is all.The moment you get human life- Paramatma is attained. (Prarabdha pahale racha, peechhe racha shareer- first our object has been finalised, later we got human body) You only have to realise that! Matter ends. In human life only, you can presume He is attained and realise that. (this can be, actually, the 'anta' -last- of all life forms, because the chain started from here only- from a human birth in the past).. Here only you can say - He is attained. NO WHERE ELSE ! There is no question of "when" ! Now !! In this very human birth and always/ever - so long we remain human ! How TIME comes in between ? What poor time has got to do with it? TIME has already turned in our favour as we got human birth.As regards Maya- we only accepted the affinity with inert. We- means Self ! Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya - we only can leave it. Who else can leave it? Who else accepted it? Maya means- that which does not exist. Self means- that which exists. When Self exists and Maya does not exist, the deliberation has to begin and end with Self only. The acceptance was by us. The renunciation has to be by us. What poor non existent Maya has got anything to do with bondage? Maya has no capacity to bind us. It does not exist. We keep talking/thinking/ relying upon it through mind/time/ignorance type of webs. Where is Maya to bind us? Something must exist at first place to bind us !! Leave shelter of mind- you are free ! Where is bondage thereafter?Hope the above answers the questions raised and the essence of delibreations. What can be the role of mind or time there?I have not read full series of arguments (read today only, to the extent trail is there on my BB - full trail is not there). May be I missed something from beginning. Let me know if I have. I will clarify/amend.Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B

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Loving Divine,

Pranams.

In recent post, I started a story - tree is holding me, & left to be told some other time; I think this is a perfect place :-)

A guru had 2 disciples - younge (Y) & older (O). Guru: I am going to die soon so tell me what will you do after I am gone. O: I'd continue my search for God following your teachings while remaining brahmachari (celibate). Y: I'd continue my search for God remaining in family as my parents would like. Guru blessed both but called O & requested to keep an eye on Y & died.

 

Few years later O visited Y & was happy to see him doing sadhana while remaining married. Few years passed, O visited Y again, but the picture is different. Y is in the midst of maya with his wife and kids and has almost forgotten God. O reminded him of God & promise given to guru. Y promised to start his sadhana & next time when O comes, to join him in sanyas as his kids would have been settled.

 

Few years later O came back to take Y for sanyas. Y said he can't leave now as his son's wife had delivered a baby (B) & no one takes better care of B then he. Let it grow a little, when B goes to school he will join O. Y understood the problem.

 

Next day early morning Y heard someone is shouting for help. O ran outside, saw that O has hugged a tree tightly & shouting for help claiming that this tree is not letting him go. O claimed over n over that this tree is holding him so tight that despite of his trying he can't free himself! Y understood the message & left immediately with O for to complete his sadhana for God realization!

 

We claim all the time that maya is holding us back but it is not true, we are holding on to maya and that's where the problem is. Nothing is wrong w/maya. Maya is as eternal as God himself but trying to catch hold of shadow is ignorance. As Swamiji has said - holding on requires efforts, letting go doesn't... No need to leave the house, no need to go anywhere, God is present everywhere so do your duty but in God conciousness w/o attachment, that's all. It is that simple. Baba always says - remain compassionately detached. Even though you leave your family & go to jungle, maya will follow you as you are carrying it in your head.

 

humble regards,

always at Thy Holy FeetManjula Patel

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Dear Sadaks,Thus answered Sri Vyasji, ""Na me bhaktah pransyati? There Lord Krishna asks Arjuna to take a vow that there will never be a downfall of His devotee. He asks Arjuna to take oath !! Because Krishna ( God) can deviate from HIS oath but not from the oath of HIS Bhakta"". I liked to hear from Vyasji though I knew it. Now who is Baktha? Defenition of Baktha?Slowly developing love (Desire for reading divine books, listening recorded divine lectures, meeting and spending time with Saadhus, sitting alone and craving for GOD) is one who is Baktha. Bagavan says, Kamiyartha Baktha, Prema Baktha, Niskama Prema Baktha. Only in Bakthi Marg, Bagavan takes over HIS Bakthas from start (Person who is desiring for GD0). In Sanyasa Marg or in Yog Marg Bagavan remains wittness, because in these 2 Margs Sanyasi or Yogi does have somewhere in a corner of his mind (Without his awareness) that he is Kartha for Sanyas or Yog. Bagavan said in Geetha that Sanyasi or Yogi fails several times before reaching HIM. Example: Sanakathis (Sri Bhramaji Manasa Puthras) fell pray to anger at doors of Vaikunt in cursing Jaya and Vijaya. But in case of Baktha behaving with Krodh/Kama/Loba etc HE takes care to rectify and make him realize. So many cases are there. Jai Sri krishnaB.Sathyanarayan

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PRIOR POSTINGDear Sadhakas, Namaste!One more point I want to share on Sathyanarayanji's post on Geeta saying "thatman does attain me in one of several births", so God is already attained butwhen is the question(time factor).If we look closely, that which we really are, Atman-Self-Consciousness nevertakes birth nor dies. Our ignorance as desires, latent tendencies-vaasanasacquired while in physical body forms subtle body(sanskaras) and it merges withcosmic subtle body or mass karmas of all beings upon death. It gets recycledthrough another body and ignorance continues its journey further until itrealizes its true nature in some human birth. So that which we truly are nevertakes re-birth. Thus by the time one realizes many births may have gone, butonly in ignorance, like in a dream! This is what I think Krishnaji may havemeant.Upon realizing Atman how does it matter how many births have gone? Again we saythis to emphasize the immediacy of the Realization. From the point of view ofmind, time is there, but time has not played any part in realization.How can it, it is not real. It is a simplistic and pragmatic assumptions. Evenan hour by clock time is experienced differently by different people, some findit too long when perceived boring, some find it too quick when perceivedinteresting! Time which is of Maya is flowing, and can never be experienced bymind. Thus what we call NOW is not mind's experience, it is mind's concept ofzero duration! Like in a dream we can experience whole life in few minutes, butupon waking up, there was no reality! So by saying it takes several births torealize we don't convey any value to those on the path of inquiry, on thecontrary it discourages.Besides, several births are only almost zero second to God, whose Grace bestowsRealization to those who are in fit to receive in His judgment!Namaskar.............Pratap Bhatt------------------------Dear sadaks,Sri Vyasji has given nice explanation to my query BG 9:31- Na me bhaktahpransyati? Thank you.B.Sathyanarayan------------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Dear Sathyanarayanji, please accept my pranaam, you need not beg pardon! we areonly exchanging our understanding! Let us be in the spirit of oneness as yousaid and freely exchange!Let me do the best I can to clarify. "Does Maya bind us or we are binded byMaya. That is, "is Maya making us to be bonded or are we getting ourselves intoMaya", you asked.Maya binds us as long as we don't inquire who we truly ARE! We consider us asbody-mind limited entity and it continues as long as we allow it to gounchecked! We do have freedom for this inquiry! We can be free of suchignorance, and stop Maya at individual level. However, if we don't exercise thisfreedom in this birth, we continue to live in ignorance of Maya! So, Maya haspower only if we give it to! Maya stays away from True Bhaktas you give examplesof many times! Those bent on inquiry are Bhaktas of TRUTH!Maya also refers to illusion at cosmic level, is universal for all of us! Forexample, rainbow is illusion in the sense seven colors are seen as magnificentbow(of Rama as some say) just from rain water and sunlight, or mirrage seen indesert etc etc. Even when we know the truth we continue to see Rainbow andmirrages, however, it cannot bind us anymore, on the contrary it is joy all theway.Stories in our puranas are to emphasize the importance of stepping out of Maya,and some dramatization always help in such stories. Narada has this big ego ofwinning Maya, so, he was fooled is one such example!When we look at the world and take objects as real, not knowing it as Ishwara,its reality, it is due to Maya principle, it is said. It means, Maya is not aproblem, but to consider it REAL is the ignorance! If Maya can end, it isappearance and not permanent, that which appears but is not, Permanent is THATwhich never ceases to be. BG 2:16.Namaskar...............Pratap Bhatt-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShri HariI belong to God -I accepted it first of all. One could see who has gyan & othercould not see who has agyan. I and my-ness is main obstacle which i finddifficult to conquer to get peace(Gita 2.71). I am trying as sadhak.Ram Rampawan singhal------------------NEW POSTINGThank you all for your insights and co-operation. On having satsang withdevotees of Swamiji in Vrindavan (Shri Nawal Ram ji and consulting ShriRameshji Maharaj by telephone), I learned the following -Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind's nature to bein constant search. Search of worldly matters and things or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically divert from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.Jai Sri Krishnapawan singhal-----Hari OmIt is so divine to read message of Catherine to Sadhaks. Nothing more needs tobe done. Nothing more needs to be known. Nothing more needs to be got. Such isthe power in what she is practicing. You have caught the nerve of Satsanga-Sadhika Catherine. My pranaams to you.Sathyanarainji ! Are you referring Sir to BG 9:31- Na me bhaktah pransyati?There Lord Krishna asks Arjuna to take a vow that there will never be a downfallof His devotee. He asks Arjuna to take oath !! Because Krishna ( God) candeviate fron His oath but not from the oath of His Bhakta, viz Arjuna. It is aguarantee of highest order by Paramatma to the Sadhaks. If you turn towards Me ,you shall never fall thereafter ! Krishna had, before Mahabharat War had takenan oath that he shall not lift weapon in the war. When Bheesma Pitamah knew,then he took the oath that I will make Krishna lift the weapon. Krishna forgotabout His oath and ensured that Bhishma Pitamah's oath is protected and liftedthe wheel of a broken Ratha ( chariot) and ran after Bhisma. . Such is the God,Dear Sadhaks.Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B--------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Dear Sathyanarayanji, you need not beg pardon. We are exchanging ourunderstanding on this wisdom platform! God is really playing by being us in ourroles, I am sure of this as you are! I am not attached to what I share withsadhakas, and never insist it is the only truth!It has and is helping me to go deep within to feel the hidden, invisiblePresence and put few words around it as if finger is pointing at Moon. Just asfinger cannot touch the moon, mind cannot conceive the Presence, SELF! This maysound like bad news. but the good news is: since Self is already what "I" is,ever attained! So "I" cannot attain "SELF", just as eyes cannot see eyes even asthey see everything. The Grace points to the eyes "my dear, the fact that yousee everything is the proof of your Being more than what you see, so stopsearching and just be!". The eyes heed and realize, not that they will seethemselves ever, but the need to see themselves disappear altogether! Mind ispointed the same truth "you cannot see God separate from you, You ARE IT!It is the same here, all attempts to attain Paramatman by "me", non existententity, stops. Then all notions, beliefs which are images in the mind of Godbeing separate from "me" drop away in this Realization!In that Realization, mind becomes quiet, peaceful on its own in which Glimpse ofAtman is natural. So, I don't entertain any ideas about separate God right atthe outset, not wait for Realization to happen!This is what I understand by Paramatman is already attained! Vasudeva Sarvamfrom the beginning!Unfortunately mind comes back and claims that Glimpse(of God) to be his ownexperience, not realizing that it was absent when Glimpse was Present. Kabirjiputs this as "Either Hari or "me", both cannot be present on the path ofLOVE"(Prem gali ati sankari, tame na samay do................).The Grace by the way, takes the guise of Swamiji or like him or scripture ordevotion or Satsang with spiritual friends like thhis forum.So why don't we realize now? Realization is like glimpses, like lightening,flashes here and flashes there, in time frame from the point of mind, but notdue to time really! When someone realizes SELF, it has nothing to do withelapsed time, because suppose if the same one didn't realize then also timewould have elapsed, right? So time is not the independent variable in theequation at all, only understanding brings it! Understanding means Devotion orSelf-less Karmas or any combinations, but finally only Grace will do it! You canonly go to the Gateless Gate and wait, and the doors open when God wants it!This is the reason Saints say that you do sadhana, and in time You will realize.Time is just a thought which references a point in the past and thought arise inus such as "oh, it took 5 years to realize or change" etc etc. No one canexperience the time in chronological way(it is running river), we experienceonly interveals of time as thoughts only. Thought is psychological time,thoughts creates time(and space too)! see for yourself.Few more clarifications later!Namaskar.........Pratap Bhatt--\------PRIOR POSTINGI am devotee of God and have never had doubts of his existence. I attain Godthis way. I put in different places little post it notes, Please do not let meforget You even for a moment, I say He Naath, He Mere Naath, I think on Bagwaan,Paramatma and Vasudev Sarvam all times. I use prayer of Oh Father let me neverforget you even for a moment, oh Compassionate One, let Your sweet memory bealways with me.Oh kind hearted my Father, my Master there is no one else, let menot forget you even in my dreams,while walking, eating, sleeping let me onlythink of You.In whatever I do let me always think of You.Your sweet, sweetmemories ever remain.Please grace me with this remembrance.. whatever work thatis being done yet in my heart, in my mind there is only God. Please I lie atyour lotus feet entreating let not even a moment pass without me rememberingyou, let me think of you every second, HE NAATH HE MERE NAATH Let me neverforget, let me remember all times...catherine--------------------------------Hari OmPawanji. Why you should consider some thing to be difficult to conquer? What isthe difficulty?What is yours? A thing/body over which you have no independent control , canthat be yours? By what yardstick you consider some thing/body to be yours? Athing/body which was not yours in the past, not going to be yours in the future,at present also it is constantly drifting away from you, how that thing can beyours? Where is the difficulty in understanding this simple fact?Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B---Dear sadaks,I first beg pardon from Sri Pratabji. Sri Pratabji, Sri Vyasji, Sri Mikeji, andall those NAMES mentioned by Sri Vyasji are one of Paramathuma` s and notdifferant. Only names divides to produce sounds. Sri Pratabji, it is not me whoimplied on you. Where is you or me? We are one and the same as said by you.Sri Pratabji you have answered in your posting. That is, ""We make suchstatements as "until you realize Self or Paramatman, you are in Maya, bondage!But I say until you choose to remain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" Iknew you will precisely answer and only in that sense I requested you.One more clarification from sadaks on the above line,""until you choose toremain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" Does Maya bind us or we arebinded by Maya. That is, "is Maya making us to be bonded or are we gettingourselves into Maya" Some sadak has written about Naradhji getting monkey facebecause he said he won Maya. Maya has played with Paramathuma when HE decendedto earth as Badrinarayana, and with Bagavan Shiva and Maya lost & went back inshame.""Swamiji means what he said "Paramatman is already attained", is a statement offact we need to discover for ourselves!"" promtly said by SriPratabjiBagavan said in Geetha that line, ""Aneka Samshidayah-------". That man doesattain me in one of the several births."" which means that man alreadyattained, but when is the question (Time factor).Dear Sadaks, kindly enlighten me on the line starting with ""Name Baktha-----""said in Geetha. Please be precise in answer with a story example if possible.Namaste to Sri Pratabji and all other sadaks.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan--------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear sadak, (pawan singhal )Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind nature to be inconstant search. Search of worldly matters and things/ Or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically diverse from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan--------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Sri Pratab Bhatt says, To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delaying salvation" or he maynot even need to ask. God would know all true Bhaktas' heartfelt desires formerging in Him."" But Swamiji saidGoswamiji has said `Lord, give me your devotion and free me of desires, angerand faults'. Only `Give me your devotion as that alone will suffice.' 3rd March,2009, Tuesday Falgun Shukla Panchami, Vikram Samvat 2065, MangalvarSri Pratab I know he will have answer for SadhaksJai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Sri Pratabji thus said so is absolutely correct, Thus salvation is what wealready are. If you remember Swamiji says Paramatma is already attained, how canyou attain that which is attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is whatwe are, not we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.Now the question comes from ordinary men. -1) I am fraud, doing all underhand dealings, I cheat people and bank or evennation, I know how bad I am. Sir, you are telling me that I already attainedParamathuma .2) Politician said, I know what I am doing and Sir you call me I attainedParamathuma. Don’t be kidding.3) Student said, I have to achieve so much in life Sir you say I attainedParamathuma.4) Householder said, I have to get my children married and see that they getsettled, don’t be joking I attained Paramathuma.What Swamiji said was also correct. Then where came the difference?Human alone is blessed with such a body and intellect that can discriminate goodand bad, body and the soul, jeeva and paramathuma. Now a boy is told that he isfit to become doctor. He studies hard and gets Degree as a doctor. He did notknow he can become doctor until told. He then studied well and became doctoronly on listening to advisor (Guru). So Swamiji shares the teachings of the Gitaand scriptures saying human has in built capacity and ability to attain God.Which means that one need not fear that he cannot attain GOD, as he has allprovisions to attain God. But human does not know this power within is there.Now take animals they don't have that power to attain God, except in exceptionalcases. Animals have to raise to human level to attain God. Referance; KapilaGeetha told by Bagavan to Deva Hoothi. Even devatas, Indra etc are to take humanbirth and get salvation says Vedas. This valuable life gift (Godliness) isattained, but unaware of the birth of a human birth gift obtained by passingthrough various birth from tree to animals. Misuse this birth and go back to aworm in a dust bin says Vivekachudamani. Narayana Batadri a famous sant ofGuruvayuralso wrote that the human body is invaluable gift, if misused one takesbirth as animals. Referance: Srimath Narayiniyam. Bagavan in Geetha also said,"Aneka Jalma Samshidayaha-----" Gyan is that you now accept that you are in aattained position of Paramathuma. Vig (Scientifically- Science of Creation) isapplied to Gyan and one becomes Vig Gyani where by he can never ever commitmistake after becoming so. A Gyani has committed mistake but Vig Gyani does not.Best Example: Adi Sankara was Gyani but his Gyan was incomplete, until BagavanShiva came in disguise as Chandala with 4 dogs in street of Kasi and gave VigGyan. Referance : Manisha Panchakam.Sri Pratabji wrote that "Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa. .....Karishyetavachanam.. .."I remember my true Self now Lord, I will do what you say".So every human needs Sri Krishna. the Guru to say these, then he will say, Iremember my true self until then he is in maya.Sadaks, body is a vital tool to attain Paramathuma. Bhramaji was jealous inheaven when he saw Sri Krishna eating along with his friends in Vridavan, onefeeding each other. He thought what a gift to be a child in Vrindavan along withSri Krishna. My post is useless. Devas and devathas where still more jealous andit would have best to be a calf or cow there rather than in this Bog lok wastingtime.Sadaks we are blessed to be in human form on earth to the extent to serve SriKrishna in Pooja, in making Mala, in giving HIM fruits, in prostrating at hisfeet, in singing HIS songs, in seeing HIM blissfully. This NO ONE else in 13Loks can do. Referance : Sants of Panderpur, Shenayi, Chota Mela, Sakubai etc.and also written in Gyanapaana of the great sant who flew to Vaikunt by PuspakaViman in 1650 at Malapuram in public view Sant Sri Poothanam.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------False asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti) Said Sri pawan singhal.How many times happiness came and gone?. How many times unhappiness came andgone? It will come and go, so be aware of this truth.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariI accept Gita 7(19) that God is everywhere and in everything but Ican not realise God due to lack of understanding of Gita 18(48) & false asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti).I am trying to make relationship with self but in vain. Other way isonly to meet the devotee of God in physical form as guided in Gita 4(34). I realise swamiji as Giani -Gita 4(34) & take benefit tillassociation with Him. Now I am trying those benefit through group that is insant satsang. I have already requested tosadhakas of this group but in vain.I believe in association of great soul in physical form to getspiritual guidance as I feel with Swamiji at Rishikesh & Kolkatta.Please assist me to meet divine sadhaka & other realised greatsoul/Giani/devotee of Godpawan singhalRam Ram----------------------------NEW POSTINGShri HariLonging is by the Self is answer of my question as explained byMeera Das. I request to Sh. Meera Das & all sadhaks please explainHow it will happen? I can only pray to God. I am helpless.Ram Rampawan singhal------------------------Shree HariRam RamHere are simple, clear and very easy words spoken in Hindi bySwamiji -"Sabse pehle sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hoon. Ek baar saralhriday se dridhta poorvak sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hihoon. Jab aap bhagwaan ke ho to aapko unki smriti ke liye kuch karnahi nahin padega. Aapki har kriya unki pooja hogi."Meager attempt at translating these simple words -"First of all, accept that I am Bhagwaan's (I belong to God). Justonce, with a simple, straight forward heart, accept with a firmconviction, that I am only Bhagwaan's (I belong to only God). Whenyou become Bhagwaan's then you will have to do absolutely nothingfor His rememberance. All your activities will become His worship."Now the Panchamrit (Five Golden Principles) just happens on it'sown -1) I am only God's2) I reside in His kingdom only3) I do His work (good and auspicious) only4) I receive only His prasad (blessing/offering)5) With the prasad received from Him, I serve only His family.Now what will cause you to forgot Bhagwaan (God)? When you becomesomeone's do you have to remember you belong to them? Do you haveto recite at night I belong to Him, I belong to Him, I belong toHim? Do you have to study to remind yourself, since I belong to myBeloved, I must cook and do other work for Him? Do you have toremind yourself that since I belong to Him, I must take care of Hischildren? and so on?Become Bhagwaan's (God's) ONLY ONCE !!!! .... says Swamiji... Magicfollows... undoubtedly.Meera DasRam Ram---------------------------In India we are lucky to have amongst us God realised souls who areshowing others the path to salvation. These gurus by shunningworldly comforts and possessions are showing us the way. Once werealise that every thing that we see is maya or illusion and thatthe only truth is the Soul or Atma within each of us whose only goalis to unite with the Parmatma, we can attain salvation. What we aretoday is the result of our past karmas but we can control what wewill become through through the result of our present karmas. So ifwe follow the right path of sewa or helping others, satsang orseeking the company of good people, sadhna or spiritual practicesand dhyan or meditation to connect with our Soul then we will be onthe right path.Hari Shanker Deo--------------------------Thank You Narinder Bhandariji. I bow to YOU and The Krishnarejoicing your Rejoice.Respects.Naga Narayana----------------------------Dear Sadaks,One says Salvation/Mukthi is always there. Another point said thatyou that Sat Chit and Anandham. Then why one has to suffer? Becausereason1) One knows not to tell lies, but says- Mind level.2) One knows drinking alcohol is wrong, but drinks -Body level.3) One knows that he has to Sadhana, but does not do, intellectlevel.These 3 are called Trikarna Sudhi (Clealiness of body mind andintellect) How to achieve it? By guidance - God/Guru. SalvationMukthi is there, but one is not living in it as the qualities arenot there. A person with eye sight is unable to read. But then heneeds spectacles. So the body, mind and intellect is not in form, itis spoilt. He needs Gyan (Spectacle) to see within (Athuman) hisswaroop.He gets from Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh. Until then he does notrealize that he is easily reachable to God/Salvation/Mukthi. That iswhy without Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh he undergoes birth afterbirth. The man who obtained Gyan knows preyty well that his Swaroopis itself divine and because of curtain of Maya he lost valuablelife time.What is wrong in learning from the saint's teachings? In fact theirteaching are there for one to follow. Otherwise those historiescould not have been written. In fact it is easy to follow a saintpath to reach God faster. Saints showed easy methods that could makeone realize.There were so many disciples who followed the instructions of theirGuru and obtained Mukthi. Example: Sant Ekanath. In Kaliyug it isdifficult for man to read scriptures/Sanskrit Etc and then know thepath. In Srimath Bagavath says in Kaliyug Namasankeerthan is enoughto get liberated. Each yuga Dharma is there in Scripts. If someonetells me easy and quick and fast way to reach Badrinath, what iswrong in following his advise. So are Bakthas who guides us. Just bypresenting a flower Mala daily with faith and love to God a saint(Vishnu Chithar) says it will pave path to Vaikunt. It seems easybut if one tries that somewhere or other he fails in timely pooja orloose a day without, or gets stuck to some business or occupied in afamily function Etc. So sincerity, faith, love towards God settingaside even a great need of family produces realization. Sadaks, manyof us go temple say certain day Friday/Saterday. How punctual are we?Hiranyakasipu and Prahald had argument where is GOD. Prahald said HEis everywhere. His father asked is HE in this pillar. Prahaladsays, "Drusyate" (Yes I see God). His father says "Nah Durshyate" (Ican not see HIM). Why? One has Gyan the other has Agyan. ThoughParamathuma there , one could see and other could not see. Most ofus are still in Agyan. Here Guru was Prahalad who showed GOd andHiranyakasipu obtained Mukthi.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam RamDear Pawanji, Swamiji has said that such experience of the presenceof God, the rememberance of God, your Beloved One by truesentiments, is only possible by one's own Self. Not by mind/intellect and not by trying to remember. It is only when thislonging is by the Self, that it happens on it's own simply,naturally, and involuntarily (Swabhavik). Swamiji says this is soinnate that it happens even in one's sleep. Rather it happensnaturally all the time. Intense attachment and longing for God -round the clock. It is not about "doing" but simply "being". Itsimply and naturally "IS". Absolutely nothing has to be done toremember our Beloved One.Just like when our Beloved is going to arrive by train, and we havenot seen him for a long time and we are waiting at the railwaystation for Him, and we feel the anxiety, the longing - When will myBeloved come? When will I see Him? How much longer will it be beforeour eyes meet? This anticipation, this longing is so intense thatone simply cannot wait even a moment. It is consuming ! Just thatone thought.. when will I see my Beloved!Just like when we are intensely thirsty and are consumed with thethought of a sip of water. Do you have such enthusiasm? Such drive?Such Zeal? Such Intensity? Such Sentiments to meet Your Beloved One,God? - asks SwamijiMeera DasRam Ram-----------------------------Krishna and His songThe Heart,In longing painCries outKrishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!The Soul rejoices.The MindIn love's ecstasyBows at the feet of the BelovedThe Soul rejoices.And Krishna smiles,The flute rising to his lips.Ah! The symphony of the soundless sound,WhereThe seven disappear into the Light of lightsWhereTime disappears into TimelessnessAndThe Heart,In longing's painKeeps Crying outKrishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!AndThence comes the Lords song of songsThe Bhagavad geetha, ah !To assuage the hearts painAnd, the Minds thirst for Knowledge, and Lightaumnarinder bhandari-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGHari OmPawanji ! You have received sterling in sights in response to yourQs, the last one from Mira Dassji. Truth and only truth is there inher last message to you. If you just "accept" with a simple heartwhat she has so eloquently recommended to you, your search gets overeffortlessly, then and there !! Where can Paramatma hide when youstart with goal of BG 7:19? Can ice hidden behind ice ever remainhidden?Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B------------------------------Dear Sadhak,Why think to achieve salvation at the "end" ? It cannot be a futuregoal. It is HERE and NOW as stated by sadhak Narinderji.Only effort needed is to be present Here and Now with a deep longingto reach HIM. Now is the eternity zone. All spiritual practices likebreath control, name chanting, mala japa etc leads sadhak to remainin present moment.The whole world is nothing but an illusion, a web of our thinkingmind. When a sadhak practices living in here and now, he is out ofthe grip of his thinking mind and all doing becomes happenings."Sarva Dharma Paritjya, mamekam sharanam vrij"Gitaji. when sadhaksurrender to Krishna, he accept every moment As IT IS and remainssubmerged in the ocean of Love, Bliss and Peace.with Love,a sadhikaSadhna KarigarShri HariI am asking question due to my nature-Gita 5(14) & Gita 2(7) butbefore Gita 18(73) & because I know the truth-everything belongs toBhagwan, the essence, I say this but I do not believe the truth, theessence as i say in prayer written by Swami Shri RamsukhdasjiMaharaj.Meera Das & Pratap Bhatt has explained after Gita 18(73)Ram Ram----------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam RamSwamiji incessantly, relentlessly, persistently spokeabout "Vasudeva Sarvam"(All is God) in the final years in His mortal body. He repeated thismany times- PLEASE READ CAREFUL AND ACCEPT IMMEDIATELY! If there is noquestions ordoubts, then PLEASE ACCEPT RIGHT NOW!Swamiji said -Whatever is perceived with mind, speech, sight and other senses isonly God.Accept this immediately. The active, inactive, conscious, matter,[born of egg,sweat and sprouting from earth] - all are God and nothing else. Goodor bad,wicked or virtuous, all are God. There is nothing else besides God.He whowishes to attain God should accept this fact. As Shri JaydayaljiGoyandka usedto say that "Whatever is seen is God's divine form and whatever isexperiencedand activities undertaken is His divine play/pastime (lila).If you are very serious about your question, if you believe in Gita4:11 (thathowever a devotee worships Me, so do I approach them) and have anardent andintense longing to find the answer to this question, it does notmatter if it isat the end of life or not, SIMPLY FROM NOW ONWARDS - EVERYTHING YOUSEE ISBHAGWAAN'S SWAROOP (God's Divine Form) AND EVERYTHING YOUEXPERIENCE/DO IS HISLILA (Divine Play/Pastime).Now if a devotee worship Bhagwaan in this manner, where canBhagwaanji HIDE?Tell me one place he will not be? Tell me how at the end of thislife, end ofthis human body, He will not be there as Yamdoot (God of Death)?Tell me whereyou will need to go searching for this rare Devotee of God by true & heartfeltsentiments? If your sentiments are true and heartfelt, can you notaccept whatGita says and what Swamiji says that Bhagwaan (Vasudeva) iseverywhere, ineverything, in all that you see, think, feel, do, experience andmore, becausethere is only "Vasudeva" and this is clearly stated in the Gita 7:19and throughout the Gita in Chapter 11 and more!Do you have any further questions or doubts? Please bring them out!Meera DasRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sri Pawan kumarI remember the words of a man who is an ardent devotee of SriRamana. He used to say 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVENIF YOU DO NOT THINK OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE.Please contemplate on thatvrsarma poduryPRIOR POSTINGDear Sadhakas, Namaste!To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delayingsalvation" or he may not even need to ask. God would know all trueBhaktas' heartfelt desires for merging in Him.What I mean is the when you are in love with God, unconditionally,you wouldn't want to make loving Him as a means to the end(salvation). Such love or remembering God constantly is in itselfthe means and end, without duality even though on-lookers may feelBhagwaan and Bhakta as separate.I consider salvation as Moksha or liberation from a false senseof "me", non existent ego and establishment in Atman our true Self.Thus salvation is what we already are. If you remember Swamiji saysParamatma is already attained, how can you attain that whihc isattained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what we are, notwe will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.In attaining anything there is duality of someone who attains andsomething to be attained, not the case here in this Bhakti (lovingdevotion).Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa......Karishye tavachanam...."I remember my true Self now Lord, will do what you say".One lives free of "me" as Sat-Chit-Ananda only.In salavation no individual entity survives, it is livingimpersonally, as Intelligence, Love, Peace, Steadfastness! Karmasare done when needed without doer!Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt------------------------------Dear Sadhak,I am remember the boon of Kunti in Mahabharat.She requested LordKrishna to keep them in poverty so that she can remember almightyGod.Still however we should keep that spirit and in spite of alltroubles and our condition we should never avoid offering prayers atleast or twice.We should learn as to hoe to prayer.Please refer tomy book on 'Prayers of all Religions of the world. This is what IfeelTruly yoursShankerprasad S Bhatt--------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGSree Pratabji, Kindly bear with me for my mistake. Your goodnesssaid-- say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he havetime to ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living inSalvation?. Baktha is in constant thought of GOD that is why he hasfull time to askGOD why that HE is delaying salvation. Worldly man partly with Godhas time to ask GOD for his desires to be fullfilled one after theother until death. Such man Geetha has said Kamiyartha Baktha, whomGOD gives him long rope fulfilling his desires one after other, GODhoping he will become Jignasu. That hope of GOD is benovolence. Onceagain pardon me if I am wrong and enlighten me.Salvation is that I thought is attained stage, not living insalvation. Salvation is to be attained and not living in it. Meanstrying for salvation. Once salvation is attained there is nodesires. You are very right Sir.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------God is available only when we become His and remember His Gloriesand His name many times continuously, then and then we will feel Hispresence within your hearts. He will be seen but his presence willbe felt. This is how Mirabai, Narsinh Mehta and Chaitainya MahaPrabhu realized God.This is what I feel everyday while offering prayersTruly yoursS S Bhatt-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear Sadak,You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but inVeerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youRproblem ends.B.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explainedby Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh KumarPawan SinghalRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sadhaks ,The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Pathof a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on twodifferent points of time , are given below. Both are related .In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated asfollows :1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never havebeen ( and , can never be )otherwise .2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answersare available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); itis ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be knownat a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available toThe Knower of the Self by Existence .3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). Itis always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.4.The sense of Doership disappears .5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power-----not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......to transform the seeker ).7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, wewere already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( weshall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is theTest ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basicprinciples shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remainBlissful, and Peaceful .8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , withthe intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . Theshortest Way.No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition ofones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way toLight is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but yourwillingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truthof Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It isalready present in YOU, You are already That .ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )-------------For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union withthat great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on thesacred Path of love and Light.2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personalexperience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in thatexperience.4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Graceand yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any morerunning away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. ExistencesPlay , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part ofExistential Play and Doing5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is theKnowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strivefor Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scripturesspeak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seekingheart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is tojudge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movementof the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses todie to the self , to realise the Self.the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.Narinder bhandariAUM----------------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previouspost!I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time toask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?I say this to emphasize "remembering God and not expectinganything", just unconditional love for God goes a long way.No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilationof "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) haveno footing. "me" is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinlysay they are, to pay our respect!Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have differentapproaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired bysuch Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique intheir own way is the proof of different expressions of the sametruth.Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGQ: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for AttainingSalvation?Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are nosentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.Remembering The God is another myth.Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataractin terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of itshinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of theignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception andexperience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist fortheir approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is sostrong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealedhere!Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishadsmake it very clear:Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such aslistening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of theself-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects aswell as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far asthere is insistence for seeing everything through the lens ofcognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what itsees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmittedmay not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatialboundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The imagesensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien toeach other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality isfutile in the first place.But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest tobe attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort ofseeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever couldjust escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fearscocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one couldjust drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for everyone!Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanumswaam ||Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which isThe You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at yourdeath, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT revealsitself within and around.Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannadaequivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefitfrom,Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.Grossly, it means,How can there be a sense of existence without something beingwithin?The being within remains "as is" NOT seeking anything.How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can everattain That?Understand that you can attain the one within by just being withinseeking nothing.Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strengthwithin to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality inhis revelation on "Bhagavattattva" (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop AntahKarana (intrinsic awareness).2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innateawareness).3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in thisregard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar hegenerously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is beingcurrently circulated.Respects.Naga Narayana------------------------------Hari OmPawanji ! You "become" of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practicea wife "becomes" of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simpleheart: I am of the God, only God is mine.Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The "karta"(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have becomeGodly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God isthat which "happens" effortlessly and which is not "done" .Look at the status today. We "have to" think/remember about God,while thinking/remembering about the world "happens automatically".Why? Because at "subtle ego level" we continue to be of world. Hencethoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the worldonly , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experienceproblems in concentrating.CHANGE YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" ! Thereuponbhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will "haveto be done"!As simple as that !Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B------------------------------Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God sothat we can do many good things in life and we will be happy asposting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life withoutinterruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the postingof all sadhakRam Rampawan singhal--------------------------------Shree HariRam RamPawanji, kindly post "sixteen powers by God" as separate question.From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram RamPRIOR POSTINGPriy sadhakIn my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in everylittle bit of action happening in & around U.Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?Like breathing.Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.Can U do all this?Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our lifewithout interruption and without any noise. also without showing anyehsan.Doesnt it make u believe & love god?If yes love moreif no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.Sorry if I hurt U.I didnt mean it.thanxRaja Gurdasani------------------------Dear Sadaks,Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress andasked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songswere Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was withSri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they werehighly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left anatom of thought any part of their life that they are already insalvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is nottracable.But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares forfood. Those great men we recognised them as "Chitta Braman", (metalyhandicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes theywill be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear Pawan Kumar ji,I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.Love is God.God is Love.Love allServe all.See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who isgiven this blessed Birth.Think GoodSee GoodHear GoodDo Good.Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , sothank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIScreation.By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice iswith you but to do this you always need the blessings of thatSupreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path ofsalvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIMto decide.It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.One need to have a strong determination and go step by step anddrop by drop you can fill the ocean.I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any wayWith Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal LoveKAMLESH KUMARHELP EVER HURT NEVERLOVE ALL SERVE ALLHAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAYKamlesh Kumar------------------------------Dear Sadhakas, namaste!Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When "I" whoexpect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to beone and the same, salvation has happened.In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desireanything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,Beauty, Harmony, Joy!Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object ofdesire!when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, "I" alsoend at the same time, not later!See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt----------------------------Dear Sadak,pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over andif you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, "Aninya Chitayayome", meansconstant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Yourresponsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HISresponsibility takes over.This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE willliberate HIS baktha in same birth.Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, makinggarlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listeningscriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleepand practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lightinglamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walkingaround HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri KrishanayaVasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In allmoments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------Dear Sadhak,Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form ofhuman being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 milliondifferent forms of births. If we know we will always remember Himbecause we are obligated to HimSecondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us somesixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life andwe will be happy.Shankerprasad S Bhatt----------------------------We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritualpractices will definitely lead us in the right direction.Hari Shanker Deo-------------------------------SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.See God in All. God in you is the God in All.Serve All.Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing toserve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice isyours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.- "Aninya Chitayayome", means constant thought on ME, that soul I(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha insame birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living inSalvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruptionand without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we areeternally obligated to Bhagwaan- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed.- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannotwithold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptionalreality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty inrealizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.Remain "as is" NOT seeking anything. Simply be!Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsicawareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti toremain in The Tattva … The Absolute- Become of "Paramatma", then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'has become of God. Our problem is that at "subtle ego level" wecontinue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.Change YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" !- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditionallove for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) leadto anhilation of "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger,jealousy, etc) have no footing.- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.- living in the present, Now and here.- sense of Doership disappears- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.- Words become Fewer- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. MinimumDiscussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone'sBeing ( SEE 1 Above ),- and finally... drop all Knowledge- longing for God is Existence Gift- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to theself , torealise the Self. when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.- 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINKOF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE-------------------------GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE -1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible..3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to theextent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. 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I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments which is rarebut is somewhere -Gita 7(19).God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4(11). Mymessage is how can I think of God & remember God by true sentiments so that ican get salvation at the end at least as per Gita 8(5).pawan kumar singhalRam Ram-------------------------------NEW POSTING

Shree Hari

As regards Maya- we only accepted the affinity with inert. We- means Self ! Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya - we only can leave it.

Very clear reply of Vyas N B on the line of Swamiji is acceptable to me. I will try to accept affinity with God (Gita 15/7).

I feel the grace of God(Gita 5/29) on 07.03.2009

Ram Ram

pawan singhal

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Dear Sadaks,Please bear with me. As Sri Pratabji said that several births discouraging, it is true. Hope to attain realization may reduce or thought futile. But this is not my statement of attaining GOD in several births, but it is Sri Krishna` s in Bagavath Geetha. But in same Bagavath Geetha Sri Krishna also tells that if HE wishes HE can uplift one in the same birth. Contradictory statement of Bagavan. Here sadaks can completely rely upon the second statement of Bagavan and reach HIM straight away. Bagavan has said two methodsof reaching HIM. One right now. Another over several births. Sri Pratabji and Sri Vyasji will explain much better than me to Sadaks.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

Our inner sentiments (Bhaav) drive everything! Also our anubhava (experience/knowledge) tell us everything - the Truth (if we pay attention to it). We are experiencing abhaav (asat, perishability, changing, unreal) all the time, but choose to ignore our anubhava... If we give importance to our experience at this VERY MOMENT, liberation it shall be. Unfortunately, every thing we do is AGAINST our ANUBHAVA. We simply DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT our Anubhava. Gita clearly states - SELF cannot derive pleasure from ASAT (perishable)... yet entire life is dedicated to just doing that alone. (Gita 13:31).

Gita and Swamiji have made this PERFECTLY CLEAR - Till there is desire there is interest in the world. Once the desire goes, the interest goes. Once the interest goes - you become selfless. When you become selfless, your sorrows go, and once your sorrows go - you attain bliss (salvation, realization, benediction, moksha, Truth, God, Beloved, SatChitAnand). Whatever you may call this state. Therefore LEAVE THE DESIRE FOR ASAT. Simply DONOT GO AGAINST YOUR ANUBHAV NO MATTER WHAT, ACCEPT IT AS TRUTH. Where is the DOUBT now?

The recipe is clearly laid out. Simply FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS !!!!

But if you still do not want to follow the directions, continuing to add poison to the ingredients, then simply CALL OUT TO GOD FOR HELP!!! HEY NAATH ! HEY MERE NAATH ! HELP ME !

 

Only we humans have the ability to pay attention and respect our ANUBHAV(experience/knowledge). That is all there is to it!

Meera Das

Ram Ram

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PRIOR POSTING

Time is just a thought which references a point in the past, and thought arise in ............

 

How True , Partap jee, how true !

 

what to do ....... ah.................... what should poor nari do..............?

 

 

The natkhat is the Vasudeva Sarvam

 

and Time is only a thought ................ no reality !

 

how impotent narinder becomes , while Krishna plays and plays ............ ah !

 

 

Beloved Krishna

In the game of twoness

You smile as One-ness.

And

In the bliss of one-ness

You dance as two-ness!

 

And, it seems to poor narinder

That

Only Loving is real; You and I false

You are false, Govinda, You are false

You do not exist, nor I

Only Love exists

But even so,

and narinder cannot help loving YOU !

When I say ‘I love You Govinda’, why do you smile?

Love is real

Love alone is real

And

In its mad dance of loving

It chooses to become for one moment

You , The Lord of Lords

And I, Your eternal plaything, your slave, your beloved

Pining and yearning for You

Ecstatically seeking oblivion

In Your look

In Your smile

In your touch.

 

Ah, Krishna ! You are NOT fair !

AUM

narinder

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Ah, my friends, once narinder ventured to ask Krishna what Love is, and how to love God, who is Love ! "O Beloved,….. Love, the mystery, the mystery that you are Beloved, how can it ever be `known'! How can anyone ever know and understand it! Love is Un–knowable! You, my Beloved, are un-knowable. Only you know yourself by yourself… only you reveal to your own Self , the mystery of Love and Loving !" And........... Thus Spake Krishna

"O narinder…. You can not know Love, but you can be Love, you can only Be. Be that Love. Be love. And, narinder, when you are Love, you `know' Love. You know what Love IS. Ah ! Narinder, who wish to capture Love in words, let us share a moment … let us become Love, This Moment Now. The love, which is the opposite of `hate' is not what Love is . The love, which embraces hate, which co-exists along with `hate', is Being, is Love .

You can not know love ….. you cannot `do' love…. But you can feel Love. You can be Love. Love is not a `doing'.Love is a happening.Love is not a ' thought'...... thinking. Love is a feeling. Love is your Being, your whole-ness, your crying need not to withhold anything from anyone, nor inflict anything on anyone. A million words may be written about love. But if you have not felt it, you have not known it as your own Being-ness---------------you know nothing about Love! And, …. if you have felt it … felt it as your blood, bone and marrow, as your breath and consciousness, as your whole Being, as that, without which, you feel ` not alive'…. Then, narinder, you need no words, no affirmation, no proof, no knowledge…. You need no discussion, no analysis. Love is sufficient unto Love . Ah ! Narinder…. You are love infinite. Infinite and choiceless; and you are the creator , sustainer and destroyer.Blessed by Love,you create in love. In Love, you sustain, and destroy too… in Love. All your doing, all your knowing , which in truth is of the nature of ` not –doing'… and `not – knowing, is nothing but Love. O nari, what indeed can be said of love! Only Love can know what love is! …….Not I …. not I … not I…. Love is `not I ' And yet, O narinder, Love and I, I and Love, are not –two. I indeed am Love!"

"Thank You, Beloved , thank you for leading Nari to Yourself for understanding of Love," This, now Narinder prays, "O Beloved….. lead me, O Lord, to the presence of those, who have known Love … who are love… who are Krishna … who you are ! Because, Govinda, my heart and soul are scorched by the heat of Love! And the fire can only be extinguished by the ambrosial showers of love from your Bhaktas, who have known Love, who are Love… who you yourself are! " Jai Krishna, Jai Jai !

AUM

narinder

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Hari OmLet me reflect upon Vasudev Sathyanarainji's messages as discussed upon by various sadhaks, including by Shri Pratapji. Beautiful brain storming arguments. There are 2 things in substance. One- Bahunaa Janamnaamante (BG 7:19) and another who binds whom? Maya to Purusha or vice versa.Vasudev Sathyanarainji is absolutely right. Pratapji is also not wrong. Yes after many many births ! After a long long series of lying into various wombs of different species of mothers- one gets ultimately the human life. We all have got it. For all of us this can be the LAST life- God is attained for all of us. We simply have to believe this fact. That is all.The moment you get human life- Paramatma is attained. (Prarabdha pahale racha, peechhe racha shareer- first our object has been finalised, later we got human body) You only have to realise that! Matter ends. In human life only, you can presume He is attained and realise that. (this can be, actually, the 'anta' -last- of all life forms, because the chain started from here only- from a human birth in the past).. Here only you can say - He is attained. NO WHERE ELSE ! There is no question of "when" ! Now !! In this very human birth and always/ever - so long we remain human ! How TIME comes in between ? What poor time has got to do with it? TIME has already turned in our favour as we got human birth.As regards Maya- we only accepted the affinity with inert. We- means Self ! Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya - we only can leave it. Who else can leave it? Who else accepted it? Maya means- that which does not exist. Self means- that which exists. When Self exists and Maya does not exist, the deliberation has to begin and end with Self only. The acceptance was by us. The renunciation has to be by us. What poor non existent Maya has got anything to do with bondage? Maya has no capacity to bind us. It does not exist. We keep talking/thinking/ relying upon it through mind/time/ignorance type of webs. Where is Maya to bind us? Something must exist at first place to bind us !! Leave shelter of mind- you are free ! Where is bondage thereafter?Hope the above answers the questions raised and the essence of delibreations. What can be the role of mind or time there?I have not read full series of arguments (read today only, to the extent trail is there on my BB - full trail is not there). May be I missed something from beginning. Let me know if I have. I will clarify/amend.Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B

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Loving Divine,

Pranams.

In recent post, I started a story - tree is holding me, & left to be told some other time; I think this is a perfect place :-)

A guru had 2 disciples - younge (Y) & older (O). Guru: I am going to die soon so tell me what will you do after I am gone. O: I'd continue my search for God following your teachings while remaining brahmachari (celibate). Y: I'd continue my search for God remaining in family as my parents would like. Guru blessed both but called O & requested to keep an eye on Y & died.

 

Few years later O visited Y & was happy to see him doing sadhana while remaining married. Few years passed, O visited Y again, but the picture is different. Y is in the midst of maya with his wife and kids and has almost forgotten God. O reminded him of God & promise given to guru. Y promised to start his sadhana & next time when O comes, to join him in sanyas as his kids would have been settled.

 

Few years later O came back to take Y for sanyas. Y said he can't leave now as his son's wife had delivered a baby (B) & no one takes better care of B then he. Let it grow a little, when B goes to school he will join O. Y understood the problem.

 

Next day early morning Y heard someone is shouting for help. O ran outside, saw that O has hugged a tree tightly & shouting for help claiming that this tree is not letting him go. O claimed over n over that this tree is holding him so tight that despite of his trying he can't free himself! Y understood the message & left immediately with O for to complete his sadhana for God realization!

 

We claim all the time that maya is holding us back but it is not true, we are holding on to maya and that's where the problem is. Nothing is wrong w/maya. Maya is as eternal as God himself but trying to catch hold of shadow is ignorance. As Swamiji has said - holding on requires efforts, letting go doesn't... No need to leave the house, no need to go anywhere, God is present everywhere so do your duty but in God conciousness w/o attachment, that's all. It is that simple. Baba always says - remain compassionately detached. Even though you leave your family & go to jungle, maya will follow you as you are carrying it in your head.

 

humble regards,

always at Thy Holy FeetManjula Patel

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Dear Sadaks,Thus answered Sri Vyasji, ""Na me bhaktah pransyati? There Lord Krishna asks Arjuna to take a vow that there will never be a downfall of His devotee. He asks Arjuna to take oath !! Because Krishna ( God) can deviate from HIS oath but not from the oath of HIS Bhakta"". I liked to hear from Vyasji though I knew it. Now who is Baktha? Defenition of Baktha?Slowly developing love (Desire for reading divine books, listening recorded divine lectures, meeting and spending time with Saadhus, sitting alone and craving for GOD) is one who is Baktha. Bagavan says, Kamiyartha Baktha, Prema Baktha, Niskama Prema Baktha. Only in Bakthi Marg, Bagavan takes over HIS Bakthas from start (Person who is desiring for GD0). In Sanyasa Marg or in Yog Marg Bagavan remains wittness, because in these 2 Margs Sanyasi or Yogi does have somewhere in a corner of his mind (Without his awareness) that he is Kartha for Sanyas or Yog. Bagavan said in Geetha that Sanyasi or Yogi fails several times before reaching HIM. Example: Sanakathis (Sri Bhramaji Manasa Puthras) fell pray to anger at doors of Vaikunt in cursing Jaya and Vijaya. But in case of Baktha behaving with Krodh/Kama/Loba etc HE takes care to rectify and make him realize. So many cases are there. Jai Sri krishnaB.Sathyanarayan

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PRIOR POSTINGDear Sadhakas, Namaste!One more point I want to share on Sathyanarayanji's post on Geeta saying "thatman does attain me in one of several births", so God is already attained butwhen is the question(time factor).If we look closely, that which we really are, Atman-Self-Consciousness nevertakes birth nor dies. Our ignorance as desires, latent tendencies-vaasanasacquired while in physical body forms subtle body(sanskaras) and it merges withcosmic subtle body or mass karmas of all beings upon death. It gets recycledthrough another body and ignorance continues its journey further until itrealizes its true nature in some human birth. So that which we truly are nevertakes re-birth. Thus by the time one realizes many births may have gone, butonly in ignorance, like in a dream! This is what I think Krishnaji may havemeant.Upon realizing Atman how does it matter how many births have gone? Again we saythis to emphasize the immediacy of the Realization. From the point of view ofmind, time is there, but time has not played any part in realization.How can it, it is not real. It is a simplistic and pragmatic assumptions. Evenan hour by clock time is experienced differently by different people, some findit too long when perceived boring, some find it too quick when perceivedinteresting! Time which is of Maya is flowing, and can never be experienced bymind. Thus what we call NOW is not mind's experience, it is mind's concept ofzero duration! Like in a dream we can experience whole life in few minutes, butupon waking up, there was no reality! So by saying it takes several births torealize we don't convey any value to those on the path of inquiry, on thecontrary it discourages.Besides, several births are only almost zero second to God, whose Grace bestowsRealization to those who are in fit to receive in His judgment!Namaskar.............Pratap Bhatt------------------------Dear sadaks,Sri Vyasji has given nice explanation to my query BG 9:31- Na me bhaktahpransyati? Thank you.B.Sathyanarayan------------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Dear Sathyanarayanji, please accept my pranaam, you need not beg pardon! we areonly exchanging our understanding! Let us be in the spirit of oneness as yousaid and freely exchange!Let me do the best I can to clarify. "Does Maya bind us or we are binded byMaya. That is, "is Maya making us to be bonded or are we getting ourselves intoMaya", you asked.Maya binds us as long as we don't inquire who we truly ARE! We consider us asbody-mind limited entity and it continues as long as we allow it to gounchecked! We do have freedom for this inquiry! We can be free of suchignorance, and stop Maya at individual level. However, if we don't exercise thisfreedom in this birth, we continue to live in ignorance of Maya! So, Maya haspower only if we give it to! Maya stays away from True Bhaktas you give examplesof many times! Those bent on inquiry are Bhaktas of TRUTH!Maya also refers to illusion at cosmic level, is universal for all of us! Forexample, rainbow is illusion in the sense seven colors are seen as magnificentbow(of Rama as some say) just from rain water and sunlight, or mirrage seen indesert etc etc. Even when we know the truth we continue to see Rainbow andmirrages, however, it cannot bind us anymore, on the contrary it is joy all theway.Stories in our puranas are to emphasize the importance of stepping out of Maya,and some dramatization always help in such stories. Narada has this big ego ofwinning Maya, so, he was fooled is one such example!When we look at the world and take objects as real, not knowing it as Ishwara,its reality, it is due to Maya principle, it is said. It means, Maya is not aproblem, but to consider it REAL is the ignorance! If Maya can end, it isappearance and not permanent, that which appears but is not, Permanent is THATwhich never ceases to be. BG 2:16.Namaskar...............Pratap Bhatt-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShri HariI belong to God -I accepted it first of all. One could see who has gyan & othercould not see who has agyan. I and my-ness is main obstacle which i finddifficult to conquer to get peace(Gita 2.71). I am trying as sadhak.Ram Rampawan singhal------------------NEW POSTINGThank you all for your insights and co-operation. On having satsang withdevotees of Swamiji in Vrindavan (Shri Nawal Ram ji and consulting ShriRameshji Maharaj by telephone), I learned the following -Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind's nature to bein constant search. Search of worldly matters and things or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically divert from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.Jai Sri Krishnapawan singhal-----Hari OmIt is so divine to read message of Catherine to Sadhaks. Nothing more needs tobe done. Nothing more needs to be known. Nothing more needs to be got. Such isthe power in what she is practicing. You have caught the nerve of Satsanga-Sadhika Catherine. My pranaams to you.Sathyanarainji ! Are you referring Sir to BG 9:31- Na me bhaktah pransyati?There Lord Krishna asks Arjuna to take a vow that there will never be a downfallof His devotee. He asks Arjuna to take oath !! Because Krishna ( God) candeviate fron His oath but not from the oath of His Bhakta, viz Arjuna. It is aguarantee of highest order by Paramatma to the Sadhaks. If you turn towards Me ,you shall never fall thereafter ! Krishna had, before Mahabharat War had takenan oath that he shall not lift weapon in the war. When Bheesma Pitamah knew,then he took the oath that I will make Krishna lift the weapon. Krishna forgotabout His oath and ensured that Bhishma Pitamah's oath is protected and liftedthe wheel of a broken Ratha ( chariot) and ran after Bhisma. . Such is the God,Dear Sadhaks.Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B--------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Dear Sathyanarayanji, you need not beg pardon. We are exchanging ourunderstanding on this wisdom platform! God is really playing by being us in ourroles, I am sure of this as you are! I am not attached to what I share withsadhakas, and never insist it is the only truth!It has and is helping me to go deep within to feel the hidden, invisiblePresence and put few words around it as if finger is pointing at Moon. Just asfinger cannot touch the moon, mind cannot conceive the Presence, SELF! This maysound like bad news. but the good news is: since Self is already what "I" is,ever attained! So "I" cannot attain "SELF", just as eyes cannot see eyes even asthey see everything. The Grace points to the eyes "my dear, the fact that yousee everything is the proof of your Being more than what you see, so stopsearching and just be!". The eyes heed and realize, not that they will seethemselves ever, but the need to see themselves disappear altogether! Mind ispointed the same truth "you cannot see God separate from you, You ARE IT!It is the same here, all attempts to attain Paramatman by "me", non existententity, stops. Then all notions, beliefs which are images in the mind of Godbeing separate from "me" drop away in this Realization!In that Realization, mind becomes quiet, peaceful on its own in which Glimpse ofAtman is natural. So, I don't entertain any ideas about separate God right atthe outset, not wait for Realization to happen!This is what I understand by Paramatman is already attained! Vasudeva Sarvamfrom the beginning!Unfortunately mind comes back and claims that Glimpse(of God) to be his ownexperience, not realizing that it was absent when Glimpse was Present. Kabirjiputs this as "Either Hari or "me", both cannot be present on the path ofLOVE"(Prem gali ati sankari, tame na samay do................).The Grace by the way, takes the guise of Swamiji or like him or scripture ordevotion or Satsang with spiritual friends like thhis forum.So why don't we realize now? Realization is like glimpses, like lightening,flashes here and flashes there, in time frame from the point of mind, but notdue to time really! When someone realizes SELF, it has nothing to do withelapsed time, because suppose if the same one didn't realize then also timewould have elapsed, right? So time is not the independent variable in theequation at all, only understanding brings it! Understanding means Devotion orSelf-less Karmas or any combinations, but finally only Grace will do it! You canonly go to the Gateless Gate and wait, and the doors open when God wants it!This is the reason Saints say that you do sadhana, and in time You will realize.Time is just a thought which references a point in the past and thought arise inus such as "oh, it took 5 years to realize or change" etc etc. No one canexperience the time in chronological way(it is running river), we experienceonly interveals of time as thoughts only. Thought is psychological time,thoughts creates time(and space too)! see for yourself.Few more clarifications later!Namaskar.........Pratap Bhatt--\------PRIOR POSTINGI am devotee of God and have never had doubts of his existence. I attain Godthis way. I put in different places little post it notes, Please do not let meforget You even for a moment, I say He Naath, He Mere Naath, I think on Bagwaan,Paramatma and Vasudev Sarvam all times. I use prayer of Oh Father let me neverforget you even for a moment, oh Compassionate One, let Your sweet memory bealways with me.Oh kind hearted my Father, my Master there is no one else, let menot forget you even in my dreams,while walking, eating, sleeping let me onlythink of You.In whatever I do let me always think of You.Your sweet, sweetmemories ever remain.Please grace me with this remembrance.. whatever work thatis being done yet in my heart, in my mind there is only God. Please I lie atyour lotus feet entreating let not even a moment pass without me rememberingyou, let me think of you every second, HE NAATH HE MERE NAATH Let me neverforget, let me remember all times...catherine--------------------------------Hari OmPawanji. Why you should consider some thing to be difficult to conquer? What isthe difficulty?What is yours? A thing/body over which you have no independent control , canthat be yours? By what yardstick you consider some thing/body to be yours? Athing/body which was not yours in the past, not going to be yours in the future,at present also it is constantly drifting away from you, how that thing can beyours? Where is the difficulty in understanding this simple fact?Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B---Dear sadaks,I first beg pardon from Sri Pratabji. Sri Pratabji, Sri Vyasji, Sri Mikeji, andall those NAMES mentioned by Sri Vyasji are one of Paramathuma` s and notdifferant. Only names divides to produce sounds. Sri Pratabji, it is not me whoimplied on you. Where is you or me? We are one and the same as said by you.Sri Pratabji you have answered in your posting. That is, ""We make suchstatements as "until you realize Self or Paramatman, you are in Maya, bondage!But I say until you choose to remain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" Iknew you will precisely answer and only in that sense I requested you.One more clarification from sadaks on the above line,""until you choose toremain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" Does Maya bind us or we arebinded by Maya. That is, "is Maya making us to be bonded or are we gettingourselves into Maya" Some sadak has written about Naradhji getting monkey facebecause he said he won Maya. Maya has played with Paramathuma when HE decendedto earth as Badrinarayana, and with Bagavan Shiva and Maya lost & went back inshame.""Swamiji means what he said "Paramatman is already attained", is a statement offact we need to discover for ourselves!"" promtly said by SriPratabjiBagavan said in Geetha that line, ""Aneka Samshidayah-------". That man doesattain me in one of the several births."" which means that man alreadyattained, but when is the question (Time factor).Dear Sadaks, kindly enlighten me on the line starting with ""Name Baktha-----""said in Geetha. Please be precise in answer with a story example if possible.Namaste to Sri Pratabji and all other sadaks.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan--------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear sadak, (pawan singhal )Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind nature to be inconstant search. Search of worldly matters and things/ Or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically diverse from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan--------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Sri Pratab Bhatt says, To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delaying salvation" or he maynot even need to ask. God would know all true Bhaktas' heartfelt desires formerging in Him."" But Swamiji saidGoswamiji has said `Lord, give me your devotion and free me of desires, angerand faults'. Only `Give me your devotion as that alone will suffice.' 3rd March,2009, Tuesday Falgun Shukla Panchami, Vikram Samvat 2065, MangalvarSri Pratab I know he will have answer for SadhaksJai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Sri Pratabji thus said so is absolutely correct, Thus salvation is what wealready are. If you remember Swamiji says Paramatma is already attained, how canyou attain that which is attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is whatwe are, not we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.Now the question comes from ordinary men. -1) I am fraud, doing all underhand dealings, I cheat people and bank or evennation, I know how bad I am. Sir, you are telling me that I already attainedParamathuma .2) Politician said, I know what I am doing and Sir you call me I attainedParamathuma. Don’t be kidding.3) Student said, I have to achieve so much in life Sir you say I attainedParamathuma.4) Householder said, I have to get my children married and see that they getsettled, don’t be joking I attained Paramathuma.What Swamiji said was also correct. Then where came the difference?Human alone is blessed with such a body and intellect that can discriminate goodand bad, body and the soul, jeeva and paramathuma. Now a boy is told that he isfit to become doctor. He studies hard and gets Degree as a doctor. He did notknow he can become doctor until told. He then studied well and became doctoronly on listening to advisor (Guru). So Swamiji shares the teachings of the Gitaand scriptures saying human has in built capacity and ability to attain God.Which means that one need not fear that he cannot attain GOD, as he has allprovisions to attain God. But human does not know this power within is there.Now take animals they don't have that power to attain God, except in exceptionalcases. Animals have to raise to human level to attain God. Referance; KapilaGeetha told by Bagavan to Deva Hoothi. Even devatas, Indra etc are to take humanbirth and get salvation says Vedas. This valuable life gift (Godliness) isattained, but unaware of the birth of a human birth gift obtained by passingthrough various birth from tree to animals. Misuse this birth and go back to aworm in a dust bin says Vivekachudamani. Narayana Batadri a famous sant ofGuruvayuralso wrote that the human body is invaluable gift, if misused one takesbirth as animals. Referance: Srimath Narayiniyam. Bagavan in Geetha also said,"Aneka Jalma Samshidayaha-----" Gyan is that you now accept that you are in aattained position of Paramathuma. Vig (Scientifically- Science of Creation) isapplied to Gyan and one becomes Vig Gyani where by he can never ever commitmistake after becoming so. A Gyani has committed mistake but Vig Gyani does not.Best Example: Adi Sankara was Gyani but his Gyan was incomplete, until BagavanShiva came in disguise as Chandala with 4 dogs in street of Kasi and gave VigGyan. Referance : Manisha Panchakam.Sri Pratabji wrote that "Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa. .....Karishyetavachanam.. .."I remember my true Self now Lord, I will do what you say".So every human needs Sri Krishna. the Guru to say these, then he will say, Iremember my true self until then he is in maya.Sadaks, body is a vital tool to attain Paramathuma. Bhramaji was jealous inheaven when he saw Sri Krishna eating along with his friends in Vridavan, onefeeding each other. He thought what a gift to be a child in Vrindavan along withSri Krishna. My post is useless. Devas and devathas where still more jealous andit would have best to be a calf or cow there rather than in this Bog lok wastingtime.Sadaks we are blessed to be in human form on earth to the extent to serve SriKrishna in Pooja, in making Mala, in giving HIM fruits, in prostrating at hisfeet, in singing HIS songs, in seeing HIM blissfully. This NO ONE else in 13Loks can do. Referance : Sants of Panderpur, Shenayi, Chota Mela, Sakubai etc.and also written in Gyanapaana of the great sant who flew to Vaikunt by PuspakaViman in 1650 at Malapuram in public view Sant Sri Poothanam.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------False asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti) Said Sri pawan singhal.How many times happiness came and gone?. How many times unhappiness came andgone? It will come and go, so be aware of this truth.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariI accept Gita 7(19) that God is everywhere and in everything but Ican not realise God due to lack of understanding of Gita 18(48) & false asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti).I am trying to make relationship with self but in vain. Other way isonly to meet the devotee of God in physical form as guided in Gita 4(34). I realise swamiji as Giani -Gita 4(34) & take benefit tillassociation with Him. Now I am trying those benefit through group that is insant satsang. I have already requested tosadhakas of this group but in vain.I believe in association of great soul in physical form to getspiritual guidance as I feel with Swamiji at Rishikesh & Kolkatta.Please assist me to meet divine sadhaka & other realised greatsoul/Giani/devotee of Godpawan singhalRam Ram----------------------------NEW POSTINGShri HariLonging is by the Self is answer of my question as explained byMeera Das. I request to Sh. Meera Das & all sadhaks please explainHow it will happen? I can only pray to God. I am helpless.Ram Rampawan singhal------------------------Shree HariRam RamHere are simple, clear and very easy words spoken in Hindi bySwamiji -"Sabse pehle sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hoon. Ek baar saralhriday se dridhta poorvak sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hihoon. Jab aap bhagwaan ke ho to aapko unki smriti ke liye kuch karnahi nahin padega. Aapki har kriya unki pooja hogi."Meager attempt at translating these simple words -"First of all, accept that I am Bhagwaan's (I belong to God). Justonce, with a simple, straight forward heart, accept with a firmconviction, that I am only Bhagwaan's (I belong to only God). Whenyou become Bhagwaan's then you will have to do absolutely nothingfor His rememberance. All your activities will become His worship."Now the Panchamrit (Five Golden Principles) just happens on it'sown -1) I am only God's2) I reside in His kingdom only3) I do His work (good and auspicious) only4) I receive only His prasad (blessing/offering)5) With the prasad received from Him, I serve only His family.Now what will cause you to forgot Bhagwaan (God)? When you becomesomeone's do you have to remember you belong to them? Do you haveto recite at night I belong to Him, I belong to Him, I belong toHim? Do you have to study to remind yourself, since I belong to myBeloved, I must cook and do other work for Him? Do you have toremind yourself that since I belong to Him, I must take care of Hischildren? and so on?Become Bhagwaan's (God's) ONLY ONCE !!!! .... says Swamiji... Magicfollows... undoubtedly.Meera DasRam Ram---------------------------In India we are lucky to have amongst us God realised souls who areshowing others the path to salvation. These gurus by shunningworldly comforts and possessions are showing us the way. Once werealise that every thing that we see is maya or illusion and thatthe only truth is the Soul or Atma within each of us whose only goalis to unite with the Parmatma, we can attain salvation. What we aretoday is the result of our past karmas but we can control what wewill become through through the result of our present karmas. So ifwe follow the right path of sewa or helping others, satsang orseeking the company of good people, sadhna or spiritual practicesand dhyan or meditation to connect with our Soul then we will be onthe right path.Hari Shanker Deo--------------------------Thank You Narinder Bhandariji. I bow to YOU and The Krishnarejoicing your Rejoice.Respects.Naga Narayana----------------------------Dear Sadaks,One says Salvation/Mukthi is always there. Another point said thatyou that Sat Chit and Anandham. Then why one has to suffer? Becausereason1) One knows not to tell lies, but says- Mind level.2) One knows drinking alcohol is wrong, but drinks -Body level.3) One knows that he has to Sadhana, but does not do, intellectlevel.These 3 are called Trikarna Sudhi (Clealiness of body mind andintellect) How to achieve it? By guidance - God/Guru. SalvationMukthi is there, but one is not living in it as the qualities arenot there. A person with eye sight is unable to read. But then heneeds spectacles. So the body, mind and intellect is not in form, itis spoilt. He needs Gyan (Spectacle) to see within (Athuman) hisswaroop.He gets from Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh. Until then he does notrealize that he is easily reachable to God/Salvation/Mukthi. That iswhy without Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh he undergoes birth afterbirth. The man who obtained Gyan knows preyty well that his Swaroopis itself divine and because of curtain of Maya he lost valuablelife time.What is wrong in learning from the saint's teachings? In fact theirteaching are there for one to follow. Otherwise those historiescould not have been written. In fact it is easy to follow a saintpath to reach God faster. Saints showed easy methods that could makeone realize.There were so many disciples who followed the instructions of theirGuru and obtained Mukthi. Example: Sant Ekanath. In Kaliyug it isdifficult for man to read scriptures/Sanskrit Etc and then know thepath. In Srimath Bagavath says in Kaliyug Namasankeerthan is enoughto get liberated. Each yuga Dharma is there in Scripts. If someonetells me easy and quick and fast way to reach Badrinath, what iswrong in following his advise. So are Bakthas who guides us. Just bypresenting a flower Mala daily with faith and love to God a saint(Vishnu Chithar) says it will pave path to Vaikunt. It seems easybut if one tries that somewhere or other he fails in timely pooja orloose a day without, or gets stuck to some business or occupied in afamily function Etc. So sincerity, faith, love towards God settingaside even a great need of family produces realization. Sadaks, manyof us go temple say certain day Friday/Saterday. How punctual are we?Hiranyakasipu and Prahald had argument where is GOD. Prahald said HEis everywhere. His father asked is HE in this pillar. Prahaladsays, "Drusyate" (Yes I see God). His father says "Nah Durshyate" (Ican not see HIM). Why? One has Gyan the other has Agyan. ThoughParamathuma there , one could see and other could not see. Most ofus are still in Agyan. Here Guru was Prahalad who showed GOd andHiranyakasipu obtained Mukthi.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam RamDear Pawanji, Swamiji has said that such experience of the presenceof God, the rememberance of God, your Beloved One by truesentiments, is only possible by one's own Self. Not by mind/intellect and not by trying to remember. It is only when thislonging is by the Self, that it happens on it's own simply,naturally, and involuntarily (Swabhavik). Swamiji says this is soinnate that it happens even in one's sleep. Rather it happensnaturally all the time. Intense attachment and longing for God -round the clock. It is not about "doing" but simply "being". Itsimply and naturally "IS". Absolutely nothing has to be done toremember our Beloved One.Just like when our Beloved is going to arrive by train, and we havenot seen him for a long time and we are waiting at the railwaystation for Him, and we feel the anxiety, the longing - When will myBeloved come? When will I see Him? How much longer will it be beforeour eyes meet? This anticipation, this longing is so intense thatone simply cannot wait even a moment. It is consuming ! Just thatone thought.. when will I see my Beloved!Just like when we are intensely thirsty and are consumed with thethought of a sip of water. Do you have such enthusiasm? Such drive?Such Zeal? Such Intensity? Such Sentiments to meet Your Beloved One,God? - asks SwamijiMeera DasRam Ram-----------------------------Krishna and His songThe Heart,In longing painCries outKrishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!The Soul rejoices.The MindIn love's ecstasyBows at the feet of the BelovedThe Soul rejoices.And Krishna smiles,The flute rising to his lips.Ah! The symphony of the soundless sound,WhereThe seven disappear into the Light of lightsWhereTime disappears into TimelessnessAndThe Heart,In longing's painKeeps Crying outKrishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!AndThence comes the Lords song of songsThe Bhagavad geetha, ah !To assuage the hearts painAnd, the Minds thirst for Knowledge, and Lightaumnarinder bhandari-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGHari OmPawanji ! You have received sterling in sights in response to yourQs, the last one from Mira Dassji. Truth and only truth is there inher last message to you. If you just "accept" with a simple heartwhat she has so eloquently recommended to you, your search gets overeffortlessly, then and there !! Where can Paramatma hide when youstart with goal of BG 7:19? Can ice hidden behind ice ever remainhidden?Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B------------------------------Dear Sadhak,Why think to achieve salvation at the "end" ? It cannot be a futuregoal. It is HERE and NOW as stated by sadhak Narinderji.Only effort needed is to be present Here and Now with a deep longingto reach HIM. Now is the eternity zone. All spiritual practices likebreath control, name chanting, mala japa etc leads sadhak to remainin present moment.The whole world is nothing but an illusion, a web of our thinkingmind. When a sadhak practices living in here and now, he is out ofthe grip of his thinking mind and all doing becomes happenings."Sarva Dharma Paritjya, mamekam sharanam vrij"Gitaji. when sadhaksurrender to Krishna, he accept every moment As IT IS and remainssubmerged in the ocean of Love, Bliss and Peace.with Love,a sadhikaSadhna KarigarShri HariI am asking question due to my nature-Gita 5(14) & Gita 2(7) butbefore Gita 18(73) & because I know the truth-everything belongs toBhagwan, the essence, I say this but I do not believe the truth, theessence as i say in prayer written by Swami Shri RamsukhdasjiMaharaj.Meera Das & Pratap Bhatt has explained after Gita 18(73)Ram Ram----------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam RamSwamiji incessantly, relentlessly, persistently spokeabout "Vasudeva Sarvam"(All is God) in the final years in His mortal body. He repeated thismany times- PLEASE READ CAREFUL AND ACCEPT IMMEDIATELY! If there is noquestions ordoubts, then PLEASE ACCEPT RIGHT NOW!Swamiji said -Whatever is perceived with mind, speech, sight and other senses isonly God.Accept this immediately. The active, inactive, conscious, matter,[born of egg,sweat and sprouting from earth] - all are God and nothing else. Goodor bad,wicked or virtuous, all are God. There is nothing else besides God.He whowishes to attain God should accept this fact. As Shri JaydayaljiGoyandka usedto say that "Whatever is seen is God's divine form and whatever isexperiencedand activities undertaken is His divine play/pastime (lila).If you are very serious about your question, if you believe in Gita4:11 (thathowever a devotee worships Me, so do I approach them) and have anardent andintense longing to find the answer to this question, it does notmatter if it isat the end of life or not, SIMPLY FROM NOW ONWARDS - EVERYTHING YOUSEE ISBHAGWAAN'S SWAROOP (God's Divine Form) AND EVERYTHING YOUEXPERIENCE/DO IS HISLILA (Divine Play/Pastime).Now if a devotee worship Bhagwaan in this manner, where canBhagwaanji HIDE?Tell me one place he will not be? Tell me how at the end of thislife, end ofthis human body, He will not be there as Yamdoot (God of Death)?Tell me whereyou will need to go searching for this rare Devotee of God by true & heartfeltsentiments? If your sentiments are true and heartfelt, can you notaccept whatGita says and what Swamiji says that Bhagwaan (Vasudeva) iseverywhere, ineverything, in all that you see, think, feel, do, experience andmore, becausethere is only "Vasudeva" and this is clearly stated in the Gita 7:19and throughout the Gita in Chapter 11 and more!Do you have any further questions or doubts? Please bring them out!Meera DasRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sri Pawan kumarI remember the words of a man who is an ardent devotee of SriRamana. He used to say 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVENIF YOU DO NOT THINK OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE.Please contemplate on thatvrsarma poduryPRIOR POSTINGDear Sadhakas, Namaste!To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delayingsalvation" or he may not even need to ask. God would know all trueBhaktas' heartfelt desires for merging in Him.What I mean is the when you are in love with God, unconditionally,you wouldn't want to make loving Him as a means to the end(salvation). Such love or remembering God constantly is in itselfthe means and end, without duality even though on-lookers may feelBhagwaan and Bhakta as separate.I consider salvation as Moksha or liberation from a false senseof "me", non existent ego and establishment in Atman our true Self.Thus salvation is what we already are. If you remember Swamiji saysParamatma is already attained, how can you attain that whihc isattained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what we are, notwe will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.In attaining anything there is duality of someone who attains andsomething to be attained, not the case here in this Bhakti (lovingdevotion).Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa......Karishye tavachanam...."I remember my true Self now Lord, will do what you say".One lives free of "me" as Sat-Chit-Ananda only.In salavation no individual entity survives, it is livingimpersonally, as Intelligence, Love, Peace, Steadfastness! Karmasare done when needed without doer!Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt------------------------------Dear Sadhak,I am remember the boon of Kunti in Mahabharat.She requested LordKrishna to keep them in poverty so that she can remember almightyGod.Still however we should keep that spirit and in spite of alltroubles and our condition we should never avoid offering prayers atleast or twice.We should learn as to hoe to prayer.Please refer tomy book on 'Prayers of all Religions of the world. This is what IfeelTruly yoursShankerprasad S Bhatt--------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGSree Pratabji, Kindly bear with me for my mistake. Your goodnesssaid-- say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he havetime to ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living inSalvation?. Baktha is in constant thought of GOD that is why he hasfull time to askGOD why that HE is delaying salvation. Worldly man partly with Godhas time to ask GOD for his desires to be fullfilled one after theother until death. Such man Geetha has said Kamiyartha Baktha, whomGOD gives him long rope fulfilling his desires one after other, GODhoping he will become Jignasu. That hope of GOD is benovolence. Onceagain pardon me if I am wrong and enlighten me.Salvation is that I thought is attained stage, not living insalvation. Salvation is to be attained and not living in it. Meanstrying for salvation. Once salvation is attained there is nodesires. You are very right Sir.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------God is available only when we become His and remember His Gloriesand His name many times continuously, then and then we will feel Hispresence within your hearts. He will be seen but his presence willbe felt. This is how Mirabai, Narsinh Mehta and Chaitainya MahaPrabhu realized God.This is what I feel everyday while offering prayersTruly yoursS S Bhatt-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear Sadak,You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but inVeerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youRproblem ends.B.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explainedby Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh KumarPawan SinghalRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sadhaks ,The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Pathof a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on twodifferent points of time , are given below. Both are related .In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated asfollows :1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never havebeen ( and , can never be )otherwise .2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answersare available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); itis ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be knownat a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available toThe Knower of the Self by Existence .3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). Itis always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.4.The sense of Doership disappears .5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power-----not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......to transform the seeker ).7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, wewere already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( weshall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is theTest ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basicprinciples shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remainBlissful, and Peaceful .8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , withthe intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . Theshortest Way.No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition ofones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way toLight is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but yourwillingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truthof Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It isalready present in YOU, You are already That .ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )-------------For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union withthat great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on thesacred Path of love and Light.2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personalexperience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in thatexperience.4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Graceand yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any morerunning away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. ExistencesPlay , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part ofExistential Play and Doing5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is theKnowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strivefor Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scripturesspeak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seekingheart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is tojudge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movementof the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses todie to the self , to realise the Self.the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.Narinder bhandariAUM----------------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previouspost!I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time toask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?I say this to emphasize "remembering God and not expectinganything", just unconditional love for God goes a long way.No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilationof "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) haveno footing. "me" is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinlysay they are, to pay our respect!Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have differentapproaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired bysuch Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique intheir own way is the proof of different expressions of the sametruth.Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGQ: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for AttainingSalvation?Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are nosentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.Remembering The God is another myth.Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataractin terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of itshinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of theignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception andexperience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist fortheir approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is sostrong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealedhere!Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishadsmake it very clear:Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such aslistening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of theself-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects aswell as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far asthere is insistence for seeing everything through the lens ofcognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what itsees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmittedmay not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatialboundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The imagesensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien toeach other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality isfutile in the first place.But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest tobe attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort ofseeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever couldjust escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fearscocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one couldjust drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for everyone!Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanumswaam ||Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which isThe You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at yourdeath, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT revealsitself within and around.Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannadaequivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefitfrom,Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.Grossly, it means,How can there be a sense of existence without something beingwithin?The being within remains "as is" NOT seeking anything.How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can everattain That?Understand that you can attain the one within by just being withinseeking nothing.Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strengthwithin to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality inhis revelation on "Bhagavattattva" (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop AntahKarana (intrinsic awareness).2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innateawareness).3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in thisregard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar hegenerously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is beingcurrently circulated.Respects.Naga Narayana------------------------------Hari OmPawanji ! You "become" of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practicea wife "becomes" of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simpleheart: I am of the God, only God is mine.Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The "karta"(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have becomeGodly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God isthat which "happens" effortlessly and which is not "done" .Look at the status today. We "have to" think/remember about God,while thinking/remembering about the world "happens automatically".Why? Because at "subtle ego level" we continue to be of world. Hencethoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the worldonly , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experienceproblems in concentrating.CHANGE YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" ! Thereuponbhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will "haveto be done"!As simple as that !Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B------------------------------Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God sothat we can do many good things in life and we will be happy asposting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life withoutinterruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the postingof all sadhakRam Rampawan singhal--------------------------------Shree HariRam RamPawanji, kindly post "sixteen powers by God" as separate question.From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram RamPRIOR POSTINGPriy sadhakIn my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in everylittle bit of action happening in & around U.Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?Like breathing.Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.Can U do all this?Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our lifewithout interruption and without any noise. also without showing anyehsan.Doesnt it make u believe & love god?If yes love moreif no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.Sorry if I hurt U.I didnt mean it.thanxRaja Gurdasani------------------------Dear Sadaks,Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress andasked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songswere Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was withSri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they werehighly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left anatom of thought any part of their life that they are already insalvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is nottracable.But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares forfood. Those great men we recognised them as "Chitta Braman", (metalyhandicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes theywill be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear Pawan Kumar ji,I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.Love is God.God is Love.Love allServe all.See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who isgiven this blessed Birth.Think GoodSee GoodHear GoodDo Good.Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , sothank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIScreation.By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice iswith you but to do this you always need the blessings of thatSupreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path ofsalvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIMto decide.It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.One need to have a strong determination and go step by step anddrop by drop you can fill the ocean.I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any wayWith Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal LoveKAMLESH KUMARHELP EVER HURT NEVERLOVE ALL SERVE ALLHAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAYKamlesh Kumar------------------------------Dear Sadhakas, namaste!Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When "I" whoexpect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to beone and the same, salvation has happened.In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desireanything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,Beauty, Harmony, Joy!Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object ofdesire!when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, "I" alsoend at the same time, not later!See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt----------------------------Dear Sadak,pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over andif you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, "Aninya Chitayayome", meansconstant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Yourresponsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HISresponsibility takes over.This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE willliberate HIS baktha in same birth.Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, makinggarlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listeningscriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleepand practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lightinglamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walkingaround HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri KrishanayaVasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In allmoments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------Dear Sadhak,Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form ofhuman being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 milliondifferent forms of births. If we know we will always remember Himbecause we are obligated to HimSecondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us somesixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life andwe will be happy.Shankerprasad S Bhatt----------------------------We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritualpractices will definitely lead us in the right direction.Hari Shanker Deo-------------------------------SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.See God in All. God in you is the God in All.Serve All.Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing toserve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice isyours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.- "Aninya Chitayayome", means constant thought on ME, that soul I(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha insame birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living inSalvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruptionand without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we areeternally obligated to Bhagwaan- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed.- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannotwithold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptionalreality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty inrealizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.Remain "as is" NOT seeking anything. Simply be!Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsicawareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti toremain in The Tattva … The Absolute- Become of "Paramatma", then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'has become of God. Our problem is that at "subtle ego level" wecontinue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.Change YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" !- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditionallove for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) leadto anhilation of "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger,jealousy, etc) have no footing.- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.- living in the present, Now and here.- sense of Doership disappears- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.- Words become Fewer- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. MinimumDiscussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone'sBeing ( SEE 1 Above ),- and finally... drop all Knowledge- longing for God is Existence Gift- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to theself , torealise the Self. when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.- 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINKOF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE-------------------------GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE -1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible..3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to theextent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. 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I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments which is rarebut is somewhere -Gita 7(19).

God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4(11). Mymessage is how can I think of God & remember God by true sentiments so that ican get salvation at the end at least as per Gita 8(5).

pawan kumar singhalRam Ram-------------------------------NEW POSTING

beloved sadhakas of love divine,

the One word synonymous with salvation is ACCEPTANCE

acceptance of the Lord's Will

the realisation sudden

that you nare NOT a Doer, nor ever was unto Doing

all was happenning as it must

in accordance with the Joy and Will of HIM

who is

VASUDEVA SARVAM

His was the Giving ; His the Recieving

He , verily , was the recieving and the giving !!

AUM

Narinder Bhandari

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Hari Om"Bahunajanmananate" referred in BG 7:19 need be taken to mean this present human life only- as per Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj also. It is logical and in conformity with many other verses of Holy Gita say 9:30/31 etc. The human life is a special life which is exclusively given only for God Realisation. There, thus, can not be any provision for continuation of bondage, if a sadhak is firm in his determination.

Obstacle, as beautifully pointed out by Miraji Dass is simply worldly desires. It is a matter of a minute , if you are desireless. In any case, the disconnection with world is always certain and connection with God permanent. Jeeva merely needs to realise this fact, and before world leaves him, he needs to leave the mineness with the world. Saints have said:Santa mil salaa kari, divi jagat ne pooth !Peechhe dekha jaawata, to pahale hi betho rooth !!Saints discussed, and then turned their back towards the world. They saw the world going away later, and hence they disconnected with it, before world leaves them!Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B

 

An Ode to Dharma

GRACE

Lovingly you turned your glance towards me

Was I worthy? I know not Lord,

But now, it is the Light in Your Eyes that fills me with worth

And my whole being vibrates with a joy Unknown, Your Gift, Your Grace.

The heart sings the song of silence, the limbs dance the Dance of stillness

Knowing and Doing are no more, Not-knowing and Not-doing become the creed

In awe I tremble, the senses smile in surrender

The wave is no more, The Ocean is at peace.

AUM

narinder bhandari

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Sri Vyasji said, "How TIME comes in between ? by doing Karma with attachment. ". As sri Pratabji said, "one has freedom to decide" yes, When wrongly decided to worldly matter, time plays it` s role of extending jeeva travel (From one birth to another). " What poor time has got to do with it?", time does so many things. It makes to watch cricket match for hours, it makes one realize his mistakes. Even realized one have to wait for time for leaving this body. Buddha, Jesus, Sri Krishna all waited for time to be ripe for any action. Sri Krishna knew HIS parents in Jail. HE came at appropriate time, when Kans good palas were exhausted. Jesus knew HIS death and said will arise after 3 days (time). "TIME has already turned in our favour as we got human birth.", said Vyasji. Yes he knew the value of human birth. But how many know the value? Many are still in Rat race for money, fame etc. Here again the time comes in some birth when one realizes Who is he.

 

Bagavath Geetha says that Bagavan will put a soul in a suitable place, to a suitable parents, suitable guru and sat sangh, suitable environment where that Jeeva will experience divines and ultimately reach HIM. It is time factor that one himself choose by his Karmas. If any one human realizes that time is in his favour, he renounces and until such time he remains ignorant. Why he is in ignorance is because he has to under go happiness/sorrow, that are to his credit. During this travel of Jeeva over births, one time or other it comes across divine lectures, sat sangh, good company teaching him about God. Then from there the Jeeva develops bakthi (devotion and worship) towards Paramathuma and there after Bagavan looks after the Jeeva as said above.

" Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya". As far I think NO one wants maya or bondage. But most normal man remains in bondage due to Maya. " we only can leave it." Yes we all want to leave Maya it does not go, but keeps on torturing us. Why? Here come Bagavans saying, Kamayesu, Krodhayeshu Etc. Practice to abstain from these 6 bad gunas, the Maya goes by itself. " Who else accepted it?" definitely NO one wants Maya near and ready to accept. But it sticks to us due to 6 Bad Gunas. Maya and 6 bad gunas Bagavan says is two sides of the same coin. Gunas go-- Maya goes. Again Gunas comes based on Karmas. Ex: Bishmaji father went behind a boat man daughter. Sri Krishna says to Vasudev and Devaki on being born, that they were earlier Prisni and Suthapa when HE first born to them. Next to Kasyapa and Adithi as second birth as Sri Vamana (WHO measured whole universe.) The third as Sri Krishna to Vasudev and Devaki. HE alone unbound by time can say this about HIS 3 births. We are time bound by Karmas. Again Bagavan says in Geetha, "Janma Karma Chame Divyam-------Maamethi Soo Arjuna". What does it mean? HE knows cause and effect, but HE is unattached to cause and effect. But we are not.

" Maya means- that which does not exist" said so. Maya does exist not in matter form by in substratum conscience level. It takes over each and every human until desires collapses. "" When Self exists and Maya does not exist, the deliberation has to begin and end with Self only."" Said so. The SELF and Maya are no way connected. If SELF realized Maya dissolves. If SELF yet to be known the Maya stays. ""The renunciation has to be by us."" Said So. Asks all sadaks in this forum, they are ready for renunciation. But How is the question. Now or later. After retirement or before. Before settling family issues or just leave it now. These are common questions common man asks. Because his Karma Pala is still there to serve his family, serve as politician to amass wealth, serve to get fame Etc. It goes only by Namasankeethan says Srimath Bagavath as Sri Krishna sits in IT.

Manjula said, "It is that simple. Baba always says - remain compassionately detached. Even though you leave your family & go to jungle, maya will follow you as you are carrying it in your head.". Maya accompanies us (we cannot carry it) even to Jungle. True: Like the Sanyas sat under water in penance for days, but on seeing the fishes matting, left his sanyas and got married to so many woman and at the end he thought what for all this. Referance Srimath Bagavath.Sri Pratabji descriptions of Maya was well said.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan ---------------

Loving Divine,

Pranam.

Meeraji thank you so much, so beautiful, you always bring more closeness to Swamiji's teachings.

humble regards,

always at Thy Divine Feet

Manjula Patel

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Shree HariAs regards Maya- we only accepted the affinity with inert. We- means Self ! Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya - we only can leave it. Very clear reply of Vyas N B on the line of Swamiji is acceptable to me. I will try to accept affinity with God (Gita 15/7).I feel the grace of God(Gita 5/29) on 07.03.2009Ram Rampawan singhal --------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Please bear with me. As Sri Pratabji said that several births discouraging, it is true. Hope to attain realization may reduce or thought futile. But this is not my statement of attaining GOD in several births, but it is Sri Krishna` s in Bagavath Geetha. But in same Bagavath Geetha Sri Krishna also tells that if HE wishes HE can uplift one in the same birth. Contradictory statement of Bagavan. Here sadaks can completely rely upon the second statement of Bagavan and reach HIM straight away. Bagavan has said two methodsof reaching HIM. One right now. Another over several births. Sri Pratabji and Sri Vyasji will explain much better than me to Sadaks.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------Shree Hari Ram Ram Our inner sentiments (Bhaav) drive everything! Also our anubhava (experience/knowledge) tell us everything - the Truth (if we pay attention to it). We are experiencing abhaav (asat, perishability, changing, unreal) all the time, but choose to ignore our anubhava... If we give importance to our experience at this VERY MOMENT, liberation it shall be. Unfortunately, every thing we do is AGAINST our ANUBHAVA. We simply DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT our Anubhava. Gita clearly states - SELF cannot derive pleasure from ASAT (perishable)... yet entire life is dedicated to just doing that alone. (Gita 13:31).

Gita and Swamiji have made this PERFECTLY CLEAR - Till there is desire there is interest in the world. Once the desire goes, the interest goes. Once the interest goes - you become selfless. When you become selfless, your sorrows go, and once your sorrows go - you attain bliss (salvation, realization, benediction, moksha, Truth, God, Beloved, SatChitAnand). Whatever you may call this state. Therefore LEAVE THE DESIRE FOR ASAT. Simply DONOT GO AGAINST YOUR ANUBHAV NO MATTER WHAT, ACCEPT IT AS TRUTH. Where is the DOUBT now?

The recipe is clearly laid out. Simply FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS !!!!

But if you still do not want to follow the directions, continuing to add poison to the ingredients, then simply CALL OUT TO GOD FOR HELP!!! HEY NAATH ! HEY MERE NAATH ! HELP ME !

 

Only we humans have the ability to pay attention and respect our ANUBHAV(experience/knowledge). That is all there is to it!

Meera Das

Ram Ram

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Time is just a thought which references a point in the past, and thought arise in ............

How True , Partap jee, how true ! what to do ....... ah.................... what should poor nari do..............? The natkhat is the Vasudeva Sarvam and Time is only a thought ................ no reality ! how impotent narinder becomes , while Krishna plays and plays ............ ah ! Beloved Krishna

In the game of twoness

You smile as One-ness.

And

In the bliss of one-ness

You dance as two-ness!

 

And, it seems to poor narinder

That

Only Loving is real; You and I false

You are false, Govinda, You are false

You do not exist, nor I

Only Love exists

But even so,

and narinder cannot help loving YOU !

When I say ‘I love You Govinda’, why do you smile?

Love is real

Love alone is real

And

In its mad dance of loving

It chooses to become for one moment

You , The Lord of Lords

And I, Your eternal plaything, your slave, your beloved

Pining and yearning for You

Ecstatically seeking oblivion

In Your look

In Your smile

In your touch.

 

Ah, Krishna ! You are NOT fair !

AUM

narinder

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Ah, my friends, once narinder ventured to ask Krishna what Love is, and how to love God, who is Love !

"O Beloved,….. Love, the mystery, the mystery that you are Beloved, how can it ever be `known'! How can anyone ever know and understand it! Love is Un–knowable! You, my Beloved, are un-knowable. Only you know yourself by yourself… only you reveal to your own Self , the mystery of Love and Loving !"

And........... Thus Spake Krishna

"O narinder…. You can not know Love, but you can be Love, you can only Be. Be that Love. Be love. And, narinder, when you are Love, you `know' Love. You know what Love IS.

Ah ! Narinder, who wish to capture Love in words, let us share a moment … let us become Love, This Moment Now. The love, which is the opposite of `hate' is not what Love is . The love, which embraces hate, which co-exists along with `hate', is Being, is Love .

You can not know love ….. you cannot `do' love…. But you can feel Love. You can be Love. Love is not a `doing'.Love is a happening.Love is not a ' thought'...... thinking. Love is a feeling.

Love is your Being, your whole-ness, your crying need not to withhold anything from anyone, nor inflict anything on anyone.

A million words may be written about love. But if you have not felt it, you have not known it as your own Being-ness---------------you know nothing about Love! And, …. if you have felt it … felt it as your blood, bone and marrow, as your breath and consciousness, as your whole Being, as that, without which, you feel ` not alive'…. Then, narinder, you need no words, no affirmation, no proof, no knowledge…. You need no discussion, no analysis. Love is sufficient unto Love .

Ah ! Narinder…. You are love infinite. Infinite and choiceless; and you are the creator , sustainer and destroyer.Blessed by Love,you create in love. In Love, you sustain, and destroy too… in Love. All your doing, all your knowing , which in truth is of the nature of ` not –doing'… and `not – knowing, is nothing but Love. O nari, what indeed can be said of love! Only Love can know what love is! …….Not I …. not I … not I…. Love is `not I ' And yet, O narinder, Love and I, I and Love, are not –two. I indeed am Love!"

"Thank You, Beloved , thank you for leading Nari to Yourself for understanding of Love," This, now Narinder prays, "O Beloved….. lead me, O Lord, to the presence of those, who have known Love … who are love… who are Krishna … who you are ! Because, Govinda, my heart and soul are scorched by the heat of Love! And the fire can only be extinguished by the ambrosial showers of love from your Bhaktas, who have known Love, who are Love… who you yourself are! "

Jai Krishna, Jai Jai ! AUM

narinder

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Hari Om

Let me reflect upon Vasudev Sathyanarainji's messages as discussed upon by various sadhaks, including by Shri Pratapji. Beautiful brain storming arguments. There are 2 things in substance. One- Bahunaa Janamnaamante (BG 7:19) and another who binds whom? Maya to Purusha or vice versa.

Vasudev Sathyanarainji is absolutely right. Pratapji is also not wrong. Yes after many many births ! After a long long series of lying into various wombs of different species of mothers- one gets ultimately the human life. We all have got it. For all of us this can be the LAST life- God is attained for all of us. We simply have to believe this fact. That is all.The moment you get human life- Paramatma is attained. (Prarabdha pahale racha, peechhe racha shareer- first our object has been finalised, later we got human body) You only have to realise that! Matter ends. In human life only, you can presume He is attained and realise that. (this can be, actually, the 'anta' -last- of all life forms, because the chain started from here only- from a human birth in the past).. Here only you can say - He is attained. NO WHERE ELSE ! There is no question of "when" ! Now !! In this very human birth and always/ever - so long we remain human ! How TIME comes in between ? What poor time has got to do with it? TIME has already turned in our favour as we got human birth.

As regards Maya- we only accepted the affinity with inert. We- means Self ! Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya - we only can leave it. Who else can leave it? Who else accepted it? Maya means- that which does not exist. Self means- that which exists. When Self exists and Maya does not exist, the deliberation has to begin and end with Self only. The acceptance was by us. The renunciation has to be by us. What poor non existent Maya has got anything to do with bondage? Maya has no capacity to bind us. It does not exist. We keep talking/thinking/ relying upon it through mind/time/ignorance type of webs. Where is Maya to bind us? Something must exist at first place to bind us !! Leave shelter of mind- you are free ! Where is bondage thereafter?

Hope the above answers the questions raised and the essence of delibreations. What can be the role of mind or time there?

I have not read full series of arguments (read today only, to the extent trail is there on my BB - full trail is not there). May be I missed something from beginning. Let me know if I have. I will clarify/amend.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Loving Divine,Pranams.In recent post, I started a story - tree is holding me, & left to be told some other time; I think this is a perfect place :-)A guru had 2 disciples - younge (Y) & older (O). Guru: I am going to die soon so tell me what will you do after I am gone. O: I'd continue my search for God following your teachings while remaining brahmachari (celibate). Y: I'd continue my search for God remaining in family as my parents would like. Guru blessed both but called O & requested to keep an eye on Y & died. Few years later O visited Y & was happy to see him doing sadhana while remaining married. Few years passed, O visited Y again, but the picture is different. Y is in the midst of maya with his wife and kids and has almost forgotten God. O reminded him of God & promise given to guru. Y promised to start his sadhana & next time when O comes, to join him in sanyas as his kids would have been settled. Few years later O came back to take Y for sanyas. Y said he can't leave now as his son's wife had delivered a baby (B) & no one takes better care of B then he. Let it grow a little, when B goes to school he will join O. Y understood the problem. Next day early morning Y heard someone is shouting for help. O ran outside, saw that O has hugged a tree tightly & shouting for help claiming that this tree is not letting him go. O claimed over n over that this tree is holding him so tight that despite of his trying he can't free himself! Y understood the message & left immediately with O for to complete his sadhana for God realization! We claim all the time that maya is holding us back but it is not true, we are holding on to maya and that's where the problem is. Nothing is wrong w/maya. Maya is as eternal as God himself but trying to catch hold of shadow is ignorance. As Swamiji has said - holding on requires efforts, letting go doesn't... No need to leave the house, no need to go anywhere, God is present everywhere so do your duty but in God conciousness w/o attachment, that's all. It is that simple. Baba always says - remain compassionately detached. Even though you leave your family & go to jungle, maya will follow you as you are carrying it in your head. humble regards,always at Thy Holy FeetManjula Patel----Dear Sadaks,Thus answered Sri Vyasji, ""Na me bhaktah pransyati? There Lord Krishna asks Arjuna to take a vow that there will never be a downfall of His devotee. He asks Arjuna to take oath !! Because Krishna ( God) can deviate from HIS oath but not from the oath of HIS Bhakta"". I liked to hear from Vyasji though I knew it. Now who is Baktha? Defenition of Baktha?Slowly developing love (Desire for reading divine books, listening recorded divine lectures, meeting and spending time with Saadhus, sitting alone and craving for GOD) is one who is Baktha. Bagavan says, Kamiyartha Baktha, Prema Baktha, Niskama Prema Baktha. Only in Bakthi Marg, Bagavan takes over HIS Bakthas from start (Person who is desiring for GD0). In Sanyasa Marg or in Yog Marg Bagavan remains wittness, because in these 2 Margs Sanyasi or Yogi does have somewhere in a corner of his mind (Without his awareness) that he is Kartha for Sanyas or Yog. Bagavan said in Geetha that Sanyasi or Yogi fails several times before reaching HIM. Example: Sanakathis (Sri Bhramaji Manasa Puthras) fell pray to anger at doors of Vaikunt in cursing Jaya and Vijaya. But in case of Baktha behaving with Krodh/Kama/Loba etc HE takes care to rectify and make him realize. So many cases are there. Jai Sri krishnaB.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!One more point I want to share on Sathyanarayanji's post on Geeta saying "thatman does attain me in one of several births", so God is already attained butwhen is the question(time factor).If we look closely, that which we really are, Atman-Self-Consciousness nevertakes birth nor dies. Our ignorance as desires, latent tendencies-vaasanasacquired while in physical body forms subtle body(sanskaras) and it merges withcosmic subtle body or mass karmas of all beings upon death. It gets recycledthrough another body and ignorance continues its journey further until itrealizes its true nature in some human birth. So that which we truly are nevertakes re-birth. Thus by the time one realizes many births may have gone, butonly in ignorance, like in a dream! This is what I think Krishnaji may havemeant.Upon realizing Atman how does it matter how many births have gone? Again we saythis to emphasize the immediacy of the Realization. From the point of view ofmind, time is there, but time has not played any part in realization.How can it, it is not real. It is a simplistic and pragmatic assumptions. Evenan hour by clock time is experienced differently by different people, some findit too long when perceived boring, some find it too quick when perceivedinteresting! Time which is of Maya is flowing, and can never be experienced bymind. Thus what we call NOW is not mind's experience, it is mind's concept ofzero duration! Like in a dream we can experience whole life in few minutes, butupon waking up, there was no reality! So by saying it takes several births torealize we don't convey any value to those on the path of inquiry, on thecontrary it discourages.Besides, several births are only almost zero second to God, whose Grace bestowsRealization to those who are in fit to receive in His judgment!

Namaskar.............Pratap Bhatt------------------------Dear sadaks,Sri Vyasji has given nice explanation to my query BG 9:31- Na me bhaktahpransyati? Thank you.B.Sathyanarayan------------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Dear Sathyanarayanji, please accept my pranaam, you need not beg pardon! we areonly exchanging our understanding! Let us be in the spirit of oneness as yousaid and freely exchange!Let me do the best I can to clarify. "Does Maya bind us or we are binded byMaya. That is, "is Maya making us to be bonded or are we getting ourselves intoMaya", you asked.Maya binds us as long as we don't inquire who we truly ARE! We consider us asbody-mind limited entity and it continues as long as we allow it to gounchecked! We do have freedom for this inquiry! We can be free of suchignorance, and stop Maya at individual level. However, if we don't exercise thisfreedom in this birth, we continue to live in ignorance of Maya! So, Maya haspower only if we give it to! Maya stays away from True Bhaktas you give examplesof many times! Those bent on inquiry are Bhaktas of TRUTH!Maya also refers to illusion at cosmic level, is universal for all of us! Forexample, rainbow is illusion in the sense seven colors are seen as magnificentbow(of Rama as some say) just from rain water and sunlight, or mirrage seen indesert etc etc. Even when we know the truth we continue to see Rainbow andmirrages, however, it cannot bind us anymore, on the contrary it is joy all theway.Stories in our puranas are to emphasize the importance of stepping out of Maya,and some dramatization always help in such stories. Narada has this big ego ofwinning Maya, so, he was fooled is one such example!When we look at the world and take objects as real, not knowing it as Ishwara,its reality, it is due to Maya principle, it is said. It means, Maya is not aproblem, but to consider it REAL is the ignorance! If Maya can end, it isappearance and not permanent, that which appears but is not, Permanent is THATwhich never ceases to be. BG 2:16.Namaskar...............Pratap Bhatt

 

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Shri HariI belong to God -I accepted it first of all. One could see who has gyan & othercould not see who has agyan. I and my-ness is main obstacle which i finddifficult to conquer to get peace(Gita 2.71). I am trying as sadhak.Ram Rampawan singhal------------------

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Thank you all for your insights and co-operation. On having satsang withdevotees of Swamiji in Vrindavan (Shri Nawal Ram ji and consulting ShriRameshji Maharaj by telephone), I learned the following -

Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind's nature to bein constant search. Search of worldly matters and things or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically divert from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.

Jai Sri Krishnapawan singhal

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Hari Om

It is so divine to read message of Catherine to Sadhaks. Nothing more needs tobe done. Nothing more needs to be known. Nothing more needs to be got. Such isthe power in what she is practicing. You have caught the nerve of Satsanga-Sadhika Catherine. My pranaams to you.

Sathyanarainji ! Are you referring Sir to BG 9:31- Na me bhaktah pransyati?There Lord Krishna asks Arjuna to take a vow that there will never be a downfallof His devotee. He asks Arjuna to take oath !! Because Krishna ( God) candeviate fron His oath but not from the oath of His Bhakta, viz Arjuna. It is aguarantee of highest order by Paramatma to the Sadhaks. If you turn towards Me ,you shall never fall thereafter ! Krishna had, before Mahabharat War had takenan oath that he shall not lift weapon in the war. When Bheesma Pitamah knew,then he took the oath that I will make Krishna lift the weapon. Krishna forgotabout His oath and ensured that Bhishma Pitamah's oath is protected and liftedthe wheel of a broken Ratha ( chariot) and ran after Bhisma. . Such is the God,Dear Sadhaks.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Dear Sathyanarayanji, you need not beg pardon. We are exchanging ourunderstanding on this wisdom platform! God is really playing by being us in ourroles, I am sure of this as you are! I am not attached to what I share withsadhakas, and never insist it is the only truth!It has and is helping me to go deep within to feel the hidden, invisiblePresence and put few words around it as if finger is pointing at Moon. Just asfinger cannot touch the moon, mind cannot conceive the Presence, SELF! This maysound like bad news. but the good news is: since Self is already what "I" is,ever attained! So "I" cannot attain "SELF", just as eyes cannot see eyes even asthey see everything. The Grace points to the eyes "my dear, the fact that yousee everything is the proof of your Being more than what you see, so stopsearching and just be!". The eyes heed and realize, not that they will seethemselves ever, but the need to see themselves disappear altogether! Mind ispointed the same truth "you cannot see God separate from you, You ARE IT!It is the same here, all attempts to attain Paramatman by "me", non existententity, stops. Then all notions, beliefs which are images in the mind of Godbeing separate from "me" drop away in this Realization!In that Realization, mind becomes quiet, peaceful on its own in which Glimpse ofAtman is natural. So, I don't entertain any ideas about separate God right atthe outset, not wait for Realization to happen!This is what I understand by Paramatman is already attained! Vasudeva Sarvamfrom the beginning!

Unfortunately mind comes back and claims that Glimpse(of God) to be his ownexperience, not realizing that it was absent when Glimpse was Present. Kabirjiputs this as "Either Hari or "me", both cannot be present on the path ofLOVE"(Prem gali ati sankari, tame na samay do................).The Grace by the way, takes the guise of Swamiji or like him or scripture ordevotion or Satsang with spiritual friends like thhis forum.So why don't we realize now? Realization is like glimpses, like lightening,flashes here and flashes there, in time frame from the point of mind, but notdue to time really! When someone realizes SELF, it has nothing to do withelapsed time, because suppose if the same one didn't realize then also timewould have elapsed, right? So time is not the independent variable in theequation at all, only understanding brings it! Understanding means Devotion orSelf-less Karmas or any combinations, but finally only Grace will do it! You canonly go to the Gateless Gate and wait, and the doors open when God wants it!This is the reason Saints say that you do sadhana, and in time You will realize.Time is just a thought which references a point in the past and thought arise inus such as "oh, it took 5 years to realize or change" etc etc. No one canexperience the time in chronological way(it is running river), we experienceonly interveals of time as thoughts only. Thought is psychological time,thoughts creates time(and space too)! see for yourself.Few more clarifications later!Namaskar.........Pratap Bhatt--\------

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I am devotee of God and have never had doubts of his existence. I attain Godthis way. I put in different places little post it notes, Please do not let meforget You even for a moment, I say He Naath, He Mere Naath, I think on Bagwaan,Paramatma and Vasudev Sarvam all times. I use prayer of Oh Father let me neverforget you even for a moment, oh Compassionate One, let Your sweet memory bealways with me.Oh kind hearted my Father, my Master there is no one else, let menot forget you even in my dreams,while walking, eating, sleeping let me onlythink of You.In whatever I do let me always think of You.Your sweet, sweetmemories ever remain.Please grace me with this remembrance.. whatever work thatis being done yet in my heart, in my mind there is only God. Please I lie atyour lotus feet entreating let not even a moment pass without me rememberingyou, let me think of you every second, HE NAATH HE MERE NAATH Let me neverforget, let me remember all times...

catherine

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Hari Om

Pawanji. Why you should consider some thing to be difficult to conquer? What isthe difficulty?

What is yours? A thing/body over which you have no independent control , canthat be yours? By what yardstick you consider some thing/body to be yours? Athing/body which was not yours in the past, not going to be yours in the future,at present also it is constantly drifting away from you, how that thing can beyours? Where is the difficulty in understanding this simple fact?

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B---Dear sadaks,I first beg pardon from Sri Pratabji. Sri Pratabji, Sri Vyasji, Sri Mikeji, andall those NAMES mentioned by Sri Vyasji are one of Paramathuma` s and notdifferant. Only names divides to produce sounds. Sri Pratabji, it is not me whoimplied on you. Where is you or me? We are one and the same as said by you.Sri Pratabji you have answered in your posting. That is, ""We make suchstatements as "until you realize Self or Paramatman, you are in Maya, bondage!But I say until you choose to remain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" Iknew you will precisely answer and only in that sense I requested you.One more clarification from sadaks on the above line,""until you choose toremain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" Does Maya bind us or we arebinded by Maya. That is, "is Maya making us to be bonded or are we gettingourselves into Maya" Some sadak has written about Naradhji getting monkey facebecause he said he won Maya. Maya has played with Paramathuma when HE decendedto earth as Badrinarayana, and with Bagavan Shiva and Maya lost & went back inshame.""Swamiji means what he said "Paramatman is already attained", is a statement offact we need to discover for ourselves!"" promtly said by SriPratabjiBagavan said in Geetha that line, ""Aneka Samshidayah-------". That man doesattain me in one of the several births."" which means that man alreadyattained, but when is the question (Time factor).Dear Sadaks, kindly enlighten me on the line starting with ""Name Baktha-----""said in Geetha. Please be precise in answer with a story example if possible.Namaste to Sri Pratabji and all other sadaks.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan

 

 

--------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear sadak, (pawan singhal )Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind nature to be inconstant search. Search of worldly matters and things/ Or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically diverse from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan--------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Sri Pratab Bhatt says, To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delaying salvation" or he maynot even need to ask. God would know all true Bhaktas' heartfelt desires formerging in Him."" But Swamiji saidGoswamiji has said `Lord, give me your devotion and free me of desires, angerand faults'. Only `Give me your devotion as that alone will suffice.' 3rd March,2009, Tuesday Falgun Shukla Panchami, Vikram Samvat 2065, Mangalvar

Sri Pratab I know he will have answer for SadhaksJai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan------------------------------Dear Sadaks,

Sri Pratabji thus said so is absolutely correct, Thus salvation is what wealready are. If you remember Swamiji says Paramatma is already attained, how canyou attain that which is attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is whatwe are, not we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.

Now the question comes from ordinary men. -1) I am fraud, doing all underhand dealings, I cheat people and bank or evennation, I know how bad I am. Sir, you are telling me that I already attainedParamathuma .2) Politician said, I know what I am doing and Sir you call me I attainedParamathuma. Don’t be kidding.3) Student said, I have to achieve so much in life Sir you say I attainedParamathuma.4) Householder said, I have to get my children married and see that they getsettled, don’t be joking I attained Paramathuma.

What Swamiji said was also correct. Then where came the difference?

Human alone is blessed with such a body and intellect that can discriminate goodand bad, body and the soul, jeeva and paramathuma. Now a boy is told that he isfit to become doctor. He studies hard and gets Degree as a doctor. He did notknow he can become doctor until told. He then studied well and became doctoronly on listening to advisor (Guru). So Swamiji shares the teachings of the Gitaand scriptures saying human has in built capacity and ability to attain God.Which means that one need not fear that he cannot attain GOD, as he has allprovisions to attain God. But human does not know this power within is there.Now take animals they don't have that power to attain God, except in exceptionalcases. Animals have to raise to human level to attain God. Referance; KapilaGeetha told by Bagavan to Deva Hoothi. Even devatas, Indra etc are to take humanbirth and get salvation says Vedas. This valuable life gift (Godliness) isattained, but unaware of the birth of a human birth gift obtained by passingthrough various birth from tree to animals. Misuse this birth and go back to aworm in a dust bin says Vivekachudamani. Narayana Batadri a famous sant ofGuruvayuralso wrote that the human body is invaluable gift, if misused one takesbirth as animals. Referance: Srimath Narayiniyam. Bagavan in Geetha also said,"Aneka Jalma Samshidayaha-----" Gyan is that you now accept that you are in aattained position of Paramathuma. Vig (Scientifically- Science of Creation) isapplied to Gyan and one becomes Vig Gyani where by he can never ever commitmistake after becoming so. A Gyani has committed mistake but Vig Gyani does not.Best Example: Adi Sankara was Gyani but his Gyan was incomplete, until BagavanShiva came in disguise as Chandala with 4 dogs in street of Kasi and gave VigGyan. Referance : Manisha Panchakam.

Sri Pratabji wrote that "Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa. .....Karishyetavachanam.. .."I remember my true Self now Lord, I will do what you say".

So every human needs Sri Krishna. the Guru to say these, then he will say, Iremember my true self until then he is in maya.

Sadaks, body is a vital tool to attain Paramathuma. Bhramaji was jealous inheaven when he saw Sri Krishna eating along with his friends in Vridavan, onefeeding each other. He thought what a gift to be a child in Vrindavan along withSri Krishna. My post is useless. Devas and devathas where still more jealous andit would have best to be a calf or cow there rather than in this Bog lok wastingtime.

Sadaks we are blessed to be in human form on earth to the extent to serve SriKrishna in Pooja, in making Mala, in giving HIM fruits, in prostrating at hisfeet, in singing HIS songs, in seeing HIM blissfully. This NO ONE else in 13Loks can do. Referance : Sants of Panderpur, Shenayi, Chota Mela, Sakubai etc.and also written in Gyanapaana of the great sant who flew to Vaikunt by PuspakaViman in 1650 at Malapuram in public view Sant Sri Poothanam.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------False asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti) Said Sri pawan singhal.How many times happiness came and gone?. How many times unhappiness came andgone? It will come and go, so be aware of this truth.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan

 

-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariI accept Gita 7(19) that God is everywhere and in everything but Ican not realise God due to lack of understanding of Gita 18(48) & false asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti).I am trying to make relationship with self but in vain. Other way isonly to meet the devotee of God in physical form as guided in Gita 4(34). I realise swamiji as Giani -Gita 4(34) & take benefit tillassociation with Him. Now I am trying those benefit through group that is insant satsang. I have already requested tosadhakas of this group but in vain.I believe in association of great soul in physical form to getspiritual guidance as I feel with Swamiji at Rishikesh & Kolkatta.Please assist me to meet divine sadhaka & other realised greatsoul/Giani/devotee of God

pawan singhalRam Ram----------------------------NEW POSTING

Shri HariLonging is by the Self is answer of my question as explained byMeera Das. I request to Sh. Meera Das & all sadhaks please explainHow it will happen? I can only pray to God. I am helpless.Ram Rampawan singhal

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Shree HariRam Ram

Here are simple, clear and very easy words spoken in Hindi bySwamiji -

"Sabse pehle sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hoon. Ek baar saralhriday se dridhta poorvak sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hihoon. Jab aap bhagwaan ke ho to aapko unki smriti ke liye kuch karnahi nahin padega. Aapki har kriya unki pooja hogi."

Meager attempt at translating these simple words -

"First of all, accept that I am Bhagwaan's (I belong to God). Justonce, with a simple, straight forward heart, accept with a firmconviction, that I am only Bhagwaan's (I belong to only God). Whenyou become Bhagwaan's then you will have to do absolutely nothingfor His rememberance. All your activities will become His worship."

Now the Panchamrit (Five Golden Principles) just happens on it'sown -1) I am only God's2) I reside in His kingdom only3) I do His work (good and auspicious) only4) I receive only His prasad (blessing/offering)5) With the prasad received from Him, I serve only His family.

Now what will cause you to forgot Bhagwaan (God)? When you becomesomeone's do you have to remember you belong to them? Do you haveto recite at night I belong to Him, I belong to Him, I belong toHim? Do you have to study to remind yourself, since I belong to myBeloved, I must cook and do other work for Him? Do you have toremind yourself that since I belong to Him, I must take care of Hischildren? and so on?

Become Bhagwaan's (God's) ONLY ONCE !!!! .... says Swamiji... Magicfollows... undoubtedly.

Meera DasRam Ram

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In India we are lucky to have amongst us God realised souls who areshowing others the path to salvation. These gurus by shunningworldly comforts and possessions are showing us the way. Once werealise that every thing that we see is maya or illusion and thatthe only truth is the Soul or Atma within each of us whose only goalis to unite with the Parmatma, we can attain salvation. What we aretoday is the result of our past karmas but we can control what wewill become through through the result of our present karmas. So ifwe follow the right path of sewa or helping others, satsang orseeking the company of good people, sadhna or spiritual practicesand dhyan or meditation to connect with our Soul then we will be onthe right path.Hari Shanker Deo--------------------------

Thank You Narinder Bhandariji. I bow to YOU and The Krishnarejoicing your Rejoice.

Respects.

Naga Narayana----------------------------

Dear Sadaks,One says Salvation/Mukthi is always there. Another point said thatyou that Sat Chit and Anandham. Then why one has to suffer? Becausereason

1) One knows not to tell lies, but says- Mind level.2) One knows drinking alcohol is wrong, but drinks -Body level.3) One knows that he has to Sadhana, but does not do, intellectlevel.

These 3 are called Trikarna Sudhi (Clealiness of body mind andintellect) How to achieve it? By guidance - God/Guru. SalvationMukthi is there, but one is not living in it as the qualities arenot there. A person with eye sight is unable to read. But then heneeds spectacles. So the body, mind and intellect is not in form, itis spoilt. He needs Gyan (Spectacle) to see within (Athuman) hisswaroop.He gets from Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh. Until then he does notrealize that he is easily reachable to God/Salvation/Mukthi. That iswhy without Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh he undergoes birth afterbirth. The man who obtained Gyan knows preyty well that his Swaroopis itself divine and because of curtain of Maya he lost valuablelife time.What is wrong in learning from the saint's teachings? In fact theirteaching are there for one to follow. Otherwise those historiescould not have been written. In fact it is easy to follow a saintpath to reach God faster. Saints showed easy methods that could makeone realize.There were so many disciples who followed the instructions of theirGuru and obtained Mukthi. Example: Sant Ekanath. In Kaliyug it isdifficult for man to read scriptures/Sanskrit Etc and then know thepath. In Srimath Bagavath says in Kaliyug Namasankeerthan is enoughto get liberated. Each yuga Dharma is there in Scripts. If someonetells me easy and quick and fast way to reach Badrinath, what iswrong in following his advise. So are Bakthas who guides us. Just bypresenting a flower Mala daily with faith and love to God a saint(Vishnu Chithar) says it will pave path to Vaikunt. It seems easybut if one tries that somewhere or other he fails in timely pooja orloose a day without, or gets stuck to some business or occupied in afamily function Etc. So sincerity, faith, love towards God settingaside even a great need of family produces realization. Sadaks, manyof us go temple say certain day Friday/Saterday. How punctual are we?

Hiranyakasipu and Prahald had argument where is GOD. Prahald said HEis everywhere. His father asked is HE in this pillar. Prahaladsays, "Drusyate" (Yes I see God). His father says "Nah Durshyate" (Ican not see HIM). Why? One has Gyan the other has Agyan. ThoughParamathuma there , one could see and other could not see. Most ofus are still in Agyan. Here Guru was Prahalad who showed GOd andHiranyakasipu obtained Mukthi.

Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------

PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam Ram

Dear Pawanji, Swamiji has said that such experience of the presenceof God, the rememberance of God, your Beloved One by truesentiments, is only possible by one's own Self. Not by mind/intellect and not by trying to remember. It is only when thislonging is by the Self, that it happens on it's own simply,naturally, and involuntarily (Swabhavik). Swamiji says this is soinnate that it happens even in one's sleep. Rather it happensnaturally all the time. Intense attachment and longing for God -round the clock. It is not about "doing" but simply "being". Itsimply and naturally "IS". Absolutely nothing has to be done toremember our Beloved One.

Just like when our Beloved is going to arrive by train, and we havenot seen him for a long time and we are waiting at the railwaystation for Him, and we feel the anxiety, the longing - When will myBeloved come? When will I see Him? How much longer will it be beforeour eyes meet? This anticipation, this longing is so intense thatone simply cannot wait even a moment. It is consuming ! Just thatone thought.. when will I see my Beloved!

Just like when we are intensely thirsty and are consumed with thethought of a sip of water. Do you have such enthusiasm? Such drive?Such Zeal? Such Intensity? Such Sentiments to meet Your Beloved One,God? - asks Swamiji

Meera DasRam Ram

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Krishna and His song

The Heart,

In longing pain

Cries out

Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!

The Soul rejoices.

 

The Mind

In love's ecstasy

Bows at the feet of the Beloved

The Soul rejoices.

 

And Krishna smiles,

The flute rising to his lips.

Ah! The symphony of the soundless sound,

Where

The seven disappear into the Light of lights

Where

Time disappears into Timelessness

 

And

The Heart,

In longing's pain

Keeps Crying out

Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!

And

Thence comes the Lords song of songs

The Bhagavad geetha, ah !

To assuage the hearts pain

And, the Minds thirst for Knowledge, and Light

aum

narinder bhandari

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Hari Om

Pawanji ! You have received sterling in sights in response to yourQs, the last one from Mira Dassji. Truth and only truth is there inher last message to you. If you just "accept" with a simple heartwhat she has so eloquently recommended to you, your search gets overeffortlessly, then and there !! Where can Paramatma hide when youstart with goal of BG 7:19? Can ice hidden behind ice ever remainhidden?

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B------------------------------Dear Sadhak,Why think to achieve salvation at the "end" ? It cannot be a futuregoal. It is HERE and NOW as stated by sadhak Narinderji.Only effort needed is to be present Here and Now with a deep longingto reach HIM. Now is the eternity zone. All spiritual practices likebreath control, name chanting, mala japa etc leads sadhak to remainin present moment.The whole world is nothing but an illusion, a web of our thinkingmind. When a sadhak practices living in here and now, he is out ofthe grip of his thinking mind and all doing becomes happenings."Sarva Dharma Paritjya, mamekam sharanam vrij"Gitaji. when sadhaksurrender to Krishna, he accept every moment As IT IS and remainssubmerged in the ocean of Love, Bliss and Peace.with Love,a sadhikaSadhna Karigar

Shri HariI am asking question due to my nature-Gita 5(14) & Gita 2(7) butbefore Gita 18(73) & because I know the truth-everything belongs toBhagwan, the essence, I say this but I do not believe the truth, theessence as i say in prayer written by Swami Shri RamsukhdasjiMaharaj.Meera Das & Pratap Bhatt has explained after Gita 18(73)Ram Ram------------------------------

 

-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam Ram

Swamiji incessantly, relentlessly, persistently spokeabout "Vasudeva Sarvam"(All is God) in the final years in His mortal body. He repeated thismany times- PLEASE READ CAREFUL AND ACCEPT IMMEDIATELY! If there is noquestions ordoubts, then PLEASE ACCEPT RIGHT NOW!

Swamiji said -Whatever is perceived with mind, speech, sight and other senses isonly God.Accept this immediately. The active, inactive, conscious, matter,[born of egg,sweat and sprouting from earth] - all are God and nothing else. Goodor bad,wicked or virtuous, all are God. There is nothing else besides God.He whowishes to attain God should accept this fact. As Shri JaydayaljiGoyandka usedto say that "Whatever is seen is God's divine form and whatever isexperiencedand activities undertaken is His divine play/pastime (lila).

If you are very serious about your question, if you believe in Gita4:11 (thathowever a devotee worships Me, so do I approach them) and have anardent andintense longing to find the answer to this question, it does notmatter if it isat the end of life or not, SIMPLY FROM NOW ONWARDS - EVERYTHING YOUSEE ISBHAGWAAN'S SWAROOP (God's Divine Form) AND EVERYTHING YOUEXPERIENCE/DO IS HISLILA (Divine Play/Pastime).

Now if a devotee worship Bhagwaan in this manner, where canBhagwaanji HIDE?Tell me one place he will not be? Tell me how at the end of thislife, end ofthis human body, He will not be there as Yamdoot (God of Death)?Tell me whereyou will need to go searching for this rare Devotee of God by true & heartfeltsentiments? If your sentiments are true and heartfelt, can you notaccept whatGita says and what Swamiji says that Bhagwaan (Vasudeva) iseverywhere, ineverything, in all that you see, think, feel, do, experience andmore, becausethere is only "Vasudeva" and this is clearly stated in the Gita 7:19and throughout the Gita in Chapter 11 and more!

Do you have any further questions or doubts? Please bring them out!

Meera DasRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sri Pawan kumar

I remember the words of a man who is an ardent devotee of SriRamana. He used to say 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVENIF YOU DO NOT THINK OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE.

Please contemplate on that

vrsarma podury

PRIOR POSTINGDear Sadhakas, Namaste!To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delayingsalvation" or he may not even need to ask. God would know all trueBhaktas' heartfelt desires for merging in Him.What I mean is the when you are in love with God, unconditionally,you wouldn't want to make loving Him as a means to the end(salvation). Such love or remembering God constantly is in itselfthe means and end, without duality even though on-lookers may feelBhagwaan and Bhakta as separate.I consider salvation as Moksha or liberation from a false senseof "me", non existent ego and establishment in Atman our true Self.Thus salvation is what we already are. If you remember Swamiji saysParamatma is already attained, how can you attain that whihc isattained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what we are, notwe will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.In attaining anything there is duality of someone who attains andsomething to be attained, not the case here in this Bhakti (lovingdevotion).Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa......Karishye tavachanam...."I remember my true Self now Lord, will do what you say".One lives free of "me" as Sat-Chit-Ananda only.In salavation no individual entity survives, it is livingimpersonally, as Intelligence, Love, Peace, Steadfastness! Karmasare done when needed without doer!Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt------------------------------

Dear Sadhak,I am remember the boon of Kunti in Mahabharat.She requested LordKrishna to keep them in poverty so that she can remember almightyGod.Still however we should keep that spirit and in spite of alltroubles and our condition we should never avoid offering prayers atleast or twice.We should learn as to hoe to prayer.Please refer tomy book on 'Prayers of all Religions of the world. This is what IfeelTruly yours

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

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Sree Pratabji, Kindly bear with me for my mistake. Your goodnesssaid-- say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he havetime to ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living inSalvation?. Baktha is in constant thought of GOD that is why he hasfull time to askGOD why that HE is delaying salvation. Worldly man partly with Godhas time to ask GOD for his desires to be fullfilled one after theother until death. Such man Geetha has said Kamiyartha Baktha, whomGOD gives him long rope fulfilling his desires one after other, GODhoping he will become Jignasu. That hope of GOD is benovolence. Onceagain pardon me if I am wrong and enlighten me.

Salvation is that I thought is attained stage, not living insalvation. Salvation is to be attained and not living in it. Meanstrying for salvation. Once salvation is attained there is nodesires. You are very right Sir.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------

God is available only when we become His and remember His Gloriesand His name many times continuously, then and then we will feel Hispresence within your hearts. He will be seen but his presence willbe felt. This is how Mirabai, Narsinh Mehta and Chaitainya MahaPrabhu realized God.This is what I feel everyday while offering prayers

Truly yoursS S Bhatt

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Dear Sadak,You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but inVeerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youRproblem ends.B.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explainedby Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh KumarPawan SinghalRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sadhaks ,The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Pathof a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on twodifferent points of time , are given below. Both are related .

In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated asfollows :

1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never havebeen ( and , can never be )otherwise .

2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answersare available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); itis ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be knownat a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available toThe Knower of the Self by Existence .

3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). Itis always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.

4.The sense of Doership disappears .

5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power-----not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......to transform the seeker ).

7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, wewere already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( weshall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is theTest ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basicprinciples shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remainBlissful, and Peaceful .

8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , withthe intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . Theshortest Way.No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition ofones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .

9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way toLight is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but yourwillingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truthof Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It isalready present in YOU, You are already That .

ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )

-------------For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union withthat great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :

1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on thesacred Path of love and Light.

2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personalexperience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable

3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in thatexperience.

4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Graceand yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any morerunning away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. ExistencesPlay , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part ofExistential Play and Doing

5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is theKnowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strivefor Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scripturesspeak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seekingheart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma

6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is tojudge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movementof the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses todie to the self , to realise the Self.

the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.

Narinder bhandari

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previouspost!I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time toask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?

I say this to emphasize "remembering God and not expectinganything", just unconditional love for God goes a long way.No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilationof "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) haveno footing. "me" is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinlysay they are, to pay our respect!Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have differentapproaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired bysuch Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique intheir own way is the proof of different expressions of the sametruth.Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt

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Q: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for AttainingSalvation?

Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are nosentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.Remembering The God is another myth.

Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataractin terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of itshinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of theignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception andexperience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist fortheir approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is sostrong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealedhere!

Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishadsmake it very clear:

Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |

The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such aslistening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of theself-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects aswell as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far asthere is insistence for seeing everything through the lens ofcognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what itsees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmittedmay not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatialboundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The imagesensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien toeach other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality isfutile in the first place.

But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest tobe attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort ofseeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever couldjust escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fearscocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one couldjust drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for everyone!

Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanumswaam ||

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which isThe You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at yourdeath, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT revealsitself within and around.

Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:

Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||

I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannadaequivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefitfrom,

Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.

Grossly, it means,

How can there be a sense of existence without something beingwithin?The being within remains "as is" NOT seeking anything.How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can everattain That?Understand that you can attain the one within by just being withinseeking nothing.

Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strengthwithin to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality inhis revelation on "Bhagavattattva" (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):

1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop AntahKarana (intrinsic awareness).2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innateawareness).3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)

I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in thisregard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar hegenerously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is beingcurrently circulated.

Respects.

Naga Narayana------------------------------Hari Om

Pawanji ! You "become" of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practicea wife "becomes" of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simpleheart: I am of the God, only God is mine.

Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The "karta"(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have becomeGodly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God isthat which "happens" effortlessly and which is not "done" .

Look at the status today. We "have to" think/remember about God,while thinking/remembering about the world "happens automatically".

Why? Because at "subtle ego level" we continue to be of world. Hencethoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the worldonly , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experienceproblems in concentrating.

CHANGE YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" ! Thereuponbhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will "haveto be done"!

As simple as that !

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B------------------------------Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God sothat we can do many good things in life and we will be happy asposting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life withoutinterruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the postingof all sadhakRam Ram

pawan singhal--------------------------------Shree HariRam RamPawanji, kindly post "sixteen powers by God" as separate question.From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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Priy sadhakIn my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in everylittle bit of action happening in & around U.Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?Like breathing.Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.Can U do all this?Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our lifewithout interruption and without any noise. also without showing anyehsan.Doesnt it make u believe & love god?If yes love moreif no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.Sorry if I hurt U.I didnt mean it.thanxRaja Gurdasani------------------------

Dear Sadaks,Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress andasked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songswere Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was withSri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they werehighly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left anatom of thought any part of their life that they are already insalvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is nottracable.But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares forfood. Those great men we recognised them as "Chitta Braman", (metalyhandicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes theywill be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.

B.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Pawan Kumar ji,I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.Love is God.God is Love.Love allServe all.See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who isgiven this blessed Birth.Think GoodSee GoodHear GoodDo Good.

Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , sothank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIScreation.

By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice iswith you but to do this you always need the blessings of thatSupreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path ofsalvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIMto decide.

It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.

One need to have a strong determination and go step by step anddrop by drop you can fill the ocean.

I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any wayWith Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal LoveKAMLESH KUMARHELP EVER HURT NEVERLOVE ALL SERVE ALLHAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAY

Kamlesh Kumar------------------------------

Dear Sadhakas, namaste!Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When "I" whoexpect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to beone and the same, salvation has happened.In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desireanything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,Beauty, Harmony, Joy!Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object ofdesire!when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, "I" alsoend at the same time, not later!See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadak,pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over andif you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, "Aninya Chitayayome", meansconstant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Yourresponsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HISresponsibility takes over.This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE willliberate HIS baktha in same birth.Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, makinggarlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listeningscriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleepand practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lightinglamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walkingaround HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri KrishanayaVasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In allmoments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan

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Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form ofhuman being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 milliondifferent forms of births. If we know we will always remember Himbecause we are obligated to Him

Secondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us somesixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life andwe will be happy.Shankerprasad S Bhatt

----------------------------We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritualpractices will definitely lead us in the right direction.Hari Shanker Deo

-------------------------------SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.See God in All. God in you is the God in All.Serve All.Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing toserve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice isyours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.- "Aninya Chitayayome", means constant thought on ME, that soul I(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha insame birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living inSalvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruptionand without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we areeternally obligated to Bhagwaan- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed.- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannotwithold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptionalreality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty inrealizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.Remain "as is" NOT seeking anything. Simply be!Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsicawareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti toremain in The Tattva … The Absolute- Become of "Paramatma", then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'has become of God. Our problem is that at "subtle ego level" wecontinue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.Change YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" !- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditionallove for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) leadto anhilation of "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger,jealousy, etc) have no footing.- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.- living in the present, Now and here.- sense of Doership disappears- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.- Words become Fewer- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. MinimumDiscussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone'sBeing ( SEE 1 Above ),- and finally... drop all Knowledge- longing for God is Existence Gift- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to theself , torealise the Self. when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.- 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINKOF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE

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I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments which is rarebut is somewhere -Gita 7(19).

God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4(11). Mymessage is how can I think of God & remember God by true sentiments so that ican get salvation at the end at least as per Gita 8(5).

pawan kumar singhalRam Ram-------------------------------NEW POSTING

Hari OmVasudev Sathyanarainji, Sir!Believe me I did not mean that there is no progression/transfer from one birth to another of spiritual pursuits/achievements. We all experienced that in the beginning. There are provisions in Gita too re: a sadhak starting from where he left in last human life and definiteness of next birth as human once you have turned sadhak or become 'yoga-bhrashta' or even lifted Holy Gita ( perhaps slight exaggeration). But then the 'object fixation' and "intensity of desire" for God Realisation can always be maximum in any human life and at any time.Maya- It reduces reality to unreality immediately or pure being to living being instantly. This is an error, Sathyanarainji, relating to reality and unreality. Because of that, it is described as illusion (maya).Time- Thought alone, Sir, is described by the name space or time, because, under the influence of that thought space and time have arrived at existence. Therefore, as this appearance of the creation of the world is just an illusion ( Maya), so is this manifestation of a moment or an aeon, ONLY AN ILLUSION. If one obtains the perception of whole of a universal cycle of time in a moment, that aeon exists in the moment alone !! Where is doubt here? Doesn't in a dream a moment becomes an aeon and an aeon a dream? Aeon like is the night of one who is sorrowful and only a moment to one who is delighted. Doesn't one day act like a year to those separated from their mistresses ? (So should be a Sadhak's separation from his Beloved !) Harischandra experienced one night as 12 years. Lavana experienced a 100 years of life through one night ! Time ... Maya.... Jeeva... Jagat .... Jagdish !!Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B--------

Loving Divine,

Pranam.

This is to clarify Sathyanarayanji's point... "Maya accompanies us (we cannot carry it) even to Jungle." Maya does not, can not accompany us, I as jivaatmaa associate myself with Maya using mind-intellect. Pardon my ignorance but this is what I understand - yes, Maya is as eternal as God to an ignorant, it is every where even in jungle. A story follows of a saint living in Jungle whose loin cloth was cut by a rat, gets a cat to protect it. To feed milk to the cat, gets a cow, to feed the cow..., etc. etc. The attachment of jiva, the unfulfilled desires of jiva, the ignorance of jiva, associates itself falsely with so called Maya/illusion and it/he/she errs and this illusion is felt by mind, that's why the word "head" used. Your example is perfectly valid because there is desire of sense pleasure aroused... But I believe in the same Bhagvatam(?), the story of Sage Sukdevji is present. Sage Vyasji's son Sukadevji was sent to Rajarshi Janakji. Janakji being a King had used excessive Maya spread all over on the path way of Sukdevji but he was so detached, his heart so pure, his mind so engrossed & one pointed, that he even didn't notice Maya to be around!!! His mind-intellect, thus head, was not in Maya.

Hope, the point I was trying to make is clear.

humble regards,

always at Thy Holy Feet

Manjula Patel

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who is

VASUDEVA SARVAM

His was the Giving

His the Recieving

He , verily , was the recieving and the giving !!

AUM

 

THE JOY OF GIVING

This moment NOW, which IS

The awareness, which is it’s womb

The two, which are not two

I gift to you

In loving you

In the one-ness of Knowing and Being

I gift this moment to you

For my own joy

I gift this moment to you

Even though knowing

That One-ness

Love

Is

Your Gift to me.

 

THE JOY OF RECIEVING

The Storm rising in my heart, Beloved

Is but a bubble in the silence

The great silence that You are

It is my joy, this tempest

Your gift to me in Time and Space

A joy, because

You

Choose to reveal to me

Your own Being

The Eternity of Now

And the Infinity of Here

Ever rising, ever dying in the Silence

The Silence

Which Is

Which just Is.

The Silence, wherein arise

A million bubbles only to sleep forever

In it’s embrace;

their oblivion an ode to their love for their Being....

SILENCE.

Narinder Bhandari

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Pranaams.

 

2--47 in Bhagwad Gita, explains that we do duty and do not look for results.Why do ppl pray to God then? Is it for Salvation, to get Moksha, to get His Blessings? Isn't this wanting results from the act of being devoted?

Regards,

NandaTAD VISNOH PARAMAM PADAM (Rg Veda 1.22.20)

 

 

Nandu Kother

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!My Pranaam to shri Sathyanarayanji. I appreciate his quest for knowledge as well as his wealth of Knowledge.Time is Maya and Maya is time at cosmic level. That which is not but appears to be is Maya. Actually it is planetary movements, and that too in cyclical nature that provide us a basis for measurement of day, week, year, or milleniums. But time is man created by thinking a thought creating past or future, not now. Now cannot be mind's thought, so now is eternity due to no time dimension. Useful as it is, time is conceptual, practical convention.When you say time makes cricket watching possible, it is not time but desire to watch. One's spouse may not watch while one watches during the same hour by the clock. That means time is personal and subjective that allows many different activities for all people based on likings, so it cannot be universal. Notice also that if India is winning and you are Indian, then you wouldn't even feel there is "you watching", and there is time, long or short, But if the other team is winning, it is the longest, boring, and uncomfortable hours, all due to ego. Actually ego is put together by time as bunch of "my thoughts" in mind.This shows when ego is temporarily lost in a game or entertainment, there is no experience of time and no experiencer!Time doesn't affect anything, but we notice a duration of time elapsed when a change is noticed by "thinking a thought".Actually anything we experience is always a past recalling in now. when we see a dog in the moment, by the time we say dog, that moment of initial perception is gone. This is just as we see sunlight on earth 8 seconds later. When realization happens in some birth, Realized says I was always Realized, never not-realized! I regained my memory! When such remembrance happens, we don't notice anything but time duration by again thinking a thought. Realization happens in NOW, not in time!Time and space are not reality in themselves but trick of Natkhat - God, Consciousness so we can experience separate objects, and get lost in them and play leela as long as we like and when tired of playing, we come home we never left, for a cookie and glass of milk!Namaskar..................

 

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beloved sadhakas of love divine,

the One word synonymous with salvation is ACCEPTANCE

acceptance of the Lord's Will

the realisation sudden

that you nare NOT a Doer, nor ever was unto Doing

all was happenning as it must

in accordance with the Joy and Will of HIM

who is

VASUDEVA SARVAM

His was the Giving ; His the Recieving

He , verily , was the recieving and the giving !!

AUM

Narinder Bhandari

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Hari Om

"Bahunajanmananate" referred in BG 7:19 need be taken to mean this present human life only- as per Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj also. It is logical and in conformity with many other verses of Holy Gita say 9:30/31 etc. The human life is a special life which is exclusively given only for God Realisation. There, thus, can not be any provision for continuation of bondage, if a sadhak is firm in his determination.

Obstacle, as beautifully pointed out by Miraji Dass is simply worldly desires. It is a matter of a minute , if you are desireless. In any case, the disconnection with world is always certain and connection with God permanent. Jeeva merely needs to realise this fact, and before world leaves him, he needs to leave the mineness with the world. Saints have said:

Santa mil salaa kari, divi jagat ne pooth !

Peechhe dekha jaawata, to pahale hi betho rooth !!

Saints discussed, and then turned their back towards the world. They saw the world going away later, and hence they disconnected with it, before world leaves them!

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

 

An Ode to Dharma

GRACE

Lovingly you turned your glance towards me

Was I worthy? I know not Lord,

But now, it is the Light in Your Eyes that fills me with worth

And my whole being vibrates with a joy Unknown, Your Gift, Your Grace.

The heart sings the song of silence, the limbs dance the Dance of stillness

Knowing and Doing are no more, Not-knowing and Not-doing become the creed

In awe I tremble, the senses smile in surrender

The wave is no more, The Ocean is at peace.

AUM

narinder bhandari

------------------------------- Sri Vyasji said, "How TIME comes in between ? by doing Karma with attachment. ". As sri Pratabji said, "one has freedom to decide" yes, When wrongly decided to worldly matter, time plays it` s role of extending jeeva travel (From one birth to another). " What poor time has got to do with it?", time does so many things. It makes to watch cricket match for hours, it makes one realize his mistakes. Even realized one have to wait for time for leaving this body. Buddha, Jesus, Sri Krishna all waited for time to be ripe for any action. Sri Krishna knew HIS parents in Jail. HE came at appropriate time, when Kans good palas were exhausted. Jesus knew HIS death and said will arise after 3 days (time). "TIME has already turned in our favour as we got human birth.", said Vyasji. Yes he knew the value of human birth. But how many know the value? Many are still in Rat race for money, fame etc. Here again the time comes in some birth when one realizes Who is he. Bagavath Geetha says that Bagavan will put a soul in a suitable place, to a suitable parents, suitable guru and sat sangh, suitable environment where that Jeeva will experience divines and ultimately reach HIM. It is time factor that one himself choose by his Karmas. If any one human realizes that time is in his favour, he renounces and until such time he remains ignorant. Why he is in ignorance is because he has to under go happiness/sorrow, that are to his credit. During this travel of Jeeva over births, one time or other it comes across divine lectures, sat sangh, good company teaching him about God. Then from there the Jeeva develops bakthi (devotion and worship) towards Paramathuma and there after Bagavan looks after the Jeeva as said above.

" Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya". As far I think NO one wants maya or bondage. But most normal man remains in bondage due to Maya. " we only can leave it." Yes we all want to leave Maya it does not go, but keeps on torturing us. Why? Here come Bagavans saying, Kamayesu, Krodhayeshu Etc. Practice to abstain from these 6 bad gunas, the Maya goes by itself. " Who else accepted it?" definitely NO one wants Maya near and ready to accept. But it sticks to us due to 6 Bad Gunas. Maya and 6 bad gunas Bagavan says is two sides of the same coin. Gunas go-- Maya goes. Again Gunas comes based on Karmas. Ex: Bishmaji father went behind a boat man daughter. Sri Krishna says to Vasudev and Devaki on being born, that they were earlier Prisni and Suthapa when HE first born to them. Next to Kasyapa and Adithi as second birth as Sri Vamana (WHO measured whole universe.) The third as Sri Krishna to Vasudev and Devaki. HE alone unbound by time can say this about HIS 3 births. We are time bound by Karmas. Again Bagavan says in Geetha, "Janma Karma Chame Divyam-------Maamethi Soo Arjuna". What does it mean? HE knows cause and effect, but HE is unattached to cause and effect. But we are not.

" Maya means- that which does not exist" said so. Maya does exist not in matter form by in substratum conscience level. It takes over each and every human until desires collapses. "" When Self exists and Maya does not exist, the deliberation has to begin and end with Self only."" Said so. The SELF and Maya are no way connected. If SELF realized Maya dissolves. If SELF yet to be known the Maya stays. ""The renunciation has to be by us."" Said So. Asks all sadaks in this forum, they are ready for renunciation. But How is the question. Now or later. After retirement or before. Before settling family issues or just leave it now. These are common questions common man asks. Because his Karma Pala is still there to serve his family, serve as politician to amass wealth, serve to get fame Etc. It goes only by Namasankeethan says Srimath Bagavath as Sri Krishna sits in IT.

Manjula said, "It is that simple. Baba always says - remain compassionately detached. Even though you leave your family & go to jungle, maya will follow you as you are carrying it in your head.". Maya accompanies us (we cannot carry it) even to Jungle. True: Like the Sanyas sat under water in penance for days, but on seeing the fishes matting, left his sanyas and got married to so many woman and at the end he thought what for all this. Referance Srimath Bagavath.Sri Pratabji descriptions of Maya was well said.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan---------------

Loving Divine,Pranam.Meeraji thank you so much, so beautiful, you always bring more closeness to Swamiji's teachings.humble regards,always at Thy Divine FeetManjula Patel

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Shree HariAs regards Maya- we only accepted the affinity with inert. We- means Self ! Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya - we only can leave it. Very clear reply of Vyas N B on the line of Swamiji is acceptable to me. I will try to accept affinity with God (Gita 15/7).I feel the grace of God(Gita 5/29) on 07.03.2009Ram Rampawan singhal --------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Please bear with me. As Sri Pratabji said that several births discouraging, it is true. Hope to attain realization may reduce or thought futile. But this is not my statement of attaining GOD in several births, but it is Sri Krishna` s in Bagavath Geetha. But in same Bagavath Geetha Sri Krishna also tells that if HE wishes HE can uplift one in the same birth. Contradictory statement of Bagavan. Here sadaks can completely rely upon the second statement of Bagavan and reach HIM straight away. Bagavan has said two methodsof reaching HIM. One right now. Another over several births. Sri Pratabji and Sri Vyasji will explain much better than me to Sadaks.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------Shree Hari Ram Ram Our inner sentiments (Bhaav) drive everything! Also our anubhava (experience/knowledge) tell us everything - the Truth (if we pay attention to it). We are experiencing abhaav (asat, perishability, changing, unreal) all the time, but choose to ignore our anubhava... If we give importance to our experience at this VERY MOMENT, liberation it shall be. Unfortunately, every thing we do is AGAINST our ANUBHAVA. We simply DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT our Anubhava. Gita clearly states - SELF cannot derive pleasure from ASAT (perishable)... yet entire life is dedicated to just doing that alone. (Gita 13:31).

Gita and Swamiji have made this PERFECTLY CLEAR - Till there is desire there is interest in the world. Once the desire goes, the interest goes. Once the interest goes - you become selfless. When you become selfless, your sorrows go, and once your sorrows go - you attain bliss (salvation, realization, benediction, moksha, Truth, God, Beloved, SatChitAnand). Whatever you may call this state. Therefore LEAVE THE DESIRE FOR ASAT. Simply DONOT GO AGAINST YOUR ANUBHAV NO MATTER WHAT, ACCEPT IT AS TRUTH. Where is the DOUBT now?

The recipe is clearly laid out. Simply FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS !!!!

But if you still do not want to follow the directions, continuing to add poison to the ingredients, then simply CALL OUT TO GOD FOR HELP!!! HEY NAATH ! HEY MERE NAATH ! HELP ME !

 

Only we humans have the ability to pay attention and respect our ANUBHAV(experience/knowledge). That is all there is to it!

Meera Das

Ram Ram

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Time is just a thought which references a point in the past, and thought arise in ............

How True , Partap jee, how true ! what to do ....... ah.................... what should poor nari do..............? The natkhat is the Vasudeva Sarvam and Time is only a thought ................ no reality ! how impotent narinder becomes , while Krishna plays and plays ............ ah ! Beloved Krishna

In the game of twoness

You smile as One-ness.

And

In the bliss of one-ness

You dance as two-ness!

 

And, it seems to poor narinder

That

Only Loving is real; You and I false

You are false, Govinda, You are false

You do not exist, nor I

Only Love exists

But even so,

and narinder cannot help loving YOU !

When I say ‘I love You Govinda’, why do you smile?

Love is real

Love alone is real

And

In its mad dance of loving

It chooses to become for one moment

You , The Lord of Lords

And I, Your eternal plaything, your slave, your beloved

Pining and yearning for You

Ecstatically seeking oblivion

In Your look

In Your smile

In your touch.

 

Ah, Krishna ! You are NOT fair !

AUM

narinder

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Ah, my friends, once narinder ventured to ask Krishna what Love is, and how to love God, who is Love !

"O Beloved,….. Love, the mystery, the mystery that you are Beloved, how can it ever be `known'! How can anyone ever know and understand it! Love is Un–knowable! You, my Beloved, are un-knowable. Only you know yourself by yourself… only you reveal to your own Self , the mystery of Love and Loving !"

And........... Thus Spake Krishna

"O narinder…. You can not know Love, but you can be Love, you can only Be. Be that Love. Be love. And, narinder, when you are Love, you `know' Love. You know what Love IS.

Ah ! Narinder, who wish to capture Love in words, let us share a moment … let us become Love, This Moment Now. The love, which is the opposite of `hate' is not what Love is . The love, which embraces hate, which co-exists along with `hate', is Being, is Love .

You can not know love ….. you cannot `do' love…. But you can feel Love. You can be Love. Love is not a `doing'.Love is a happening.Love is not a ' thought'...... thinking. Love is a feeling.

Love is your Being, your whole-ness, your crying need not to withhold anything from anyone, nor inflict anything on anyone.

A million words may be written about love. But if you have not felt it, you have not known it as your own Being-ness---------------you know nothing about Love! And, …. if you have felt it … felt it as your blood, bone and marrow, as your breath and consciousness, as your whole Being, as that, without which, you feel ` not alive'…. Then, narinder, you need no words, no affirmation, no proof, no knowledge…. You need no discussion, no analysis. Love is sufficient unto Love .

Ah ! Narinder…. You are love infinite. Infinite and choiceless; and you are the creator , sustainer and destroyer.Blessed by Love,you create in love. In Love, you sustain, and destroy too… in Love. All your doing, all your knowing , which in truth is of the nature of ` not –doing'… and `not – knowing, is nothing but Love. O nari, what indeed can be said of love! Only Love can know what love is! …….Not I …. not I … not I…. Love is `not I ' And yet, O narinder, Love and I, I and Love, are not –two. I indeed am Love!"

"Thank You, Beloved , thank you for leading Nari to Yourself for understanding of Love," This, now Narinder prays, "O Beloved….. lead me, O Lord, to the presence of those, who have known Love … who are love… who are Krishna … who you are ! Because, Govinda, my heart and soul are scorched by the heat of Love! And the fire can only be extinguished by the ambrosial showers of love from your Bhaktas, who have known Love, who are Love… who you yourself are! "

Jai Krishna, Jai Jai ! AUM

narinder

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Hari Om

Let me reflect upon Vasudev Sathyanarainji's messages as discussed upon by various sadhaks, including by Shri Pratapji. Beautiful brain storming arguments. There are 2 things in substance. One- Bahunaa Janamnaamante (BG 7:19) and another who binds whom? Maya to Purusha or vice versa.

Vasudev Sathyanarainji is absolutely right. Pratapji is also not wrong. Yes after many many births ! After a long long series of lying into various wombs of different species of mothers- one gets ultimately the human life. We all have got it. For all of us this can be the LAST life- God is attained for all of us. We simply have to believe this fact. That is all.The moment you get human life- Paramatma is attained. (Prarabdha pahale racha, peechhe racha shareer- first our object has been finalised, later we got human body) You only have to realise that! Matter ends. In human life only, you can presume He is attained and realise that. (this can be, actually, the 'anta' -last- of all life forms, because the chain started from here only- from a human birth in the past).. Here only you can say - He is attained. NO WHERE ELSE ! There is no question of "when" ! Now !! In this very human birth and always/ever - so long we remain human ! How TIME comes in between ? What poor time has got to do with it? TIME has already turned in our favour as we got human birth.

As regards Maya- we only accepted the affinity with inert. We- means Self ! Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya - we only can leave it. Who else can leave it? Who else accepted it? Maya means- that which does not exist. Self means- that which exists. When Self exists and Maya does not exist, the deliberation has to begin and end with Self only. The acceptance was by us. The renunciation has to be by us. What poor non existent Maya has got anything to do with bondage? Maya has no capacity to bind us. It does not exist. We keep talking/thinking/ relying upon it through mind/time/ignorance type of webs. Where is Maya to bind us? Something must exist at first place to bind us !! Leave shelter of mind- you are free ! Where is bondage thereafter?

Hope the above answers the questions raised and the essence of delibreations. What can be the role of mind or time there?

I have not read full series of arguments (read today only, to the extent trail is there on my BB - full trail is not there). May be I missed something from beginning. Let me know if I have. I will clarify/amend.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Loving Divine,Pranams.In recent post, I started a story - tree is holding me, & left to be told some other time; I think this is a perfect place :-)A guru had 2 disciples - younge (Y) & older (O). Guru: I am going to die soon so tell me what will you do after I am gone. O: I'd continue my search for God following your teachings while remaining brahmachari (celibate). Y: I'd continue my search for God remaining in family as my parents would like. Guru blessed both but called O & requested to keep an eye on Y & died. Few years later O visited Y & was happy to see him doing sadhana while remaining married. Few years passed, O visited Y again, but the picture is different. Y is in the midst of maya with his wife and kids and has almost forgotten God. O reminded him of God & promise given to guru. Y promised to start his sadhana & next time when O comes, to join him in sanyas as his kids would have been settled. Few years later O came back to take Y for sanyas. Y said he can't leave now as his son's wife had delivered a baby (B) & no one takes better care of B then he. Let it grow a little, when B goes to school he will join O. Y understood the problem. Next day early morning Y heard someone is shouting for help. O ran outside, saw that O has hugged a tree tightly & shouting for help claiming that this tree is not letting him go. O claimed over n over that this tree is holding him so tight that despite of his trying he can't free himself! Y understood the message & left immediately with O for to complete his sadhana for God realization! We claim all the time that maya is holding us back but it is not true, we are holding on to maya and that's where the problem is. Nothing is wrong w/maya. Maya is as eternal as God himself but trying to catch hold of shadow is ignorance. As Swamiji has said - holding on requires efforts, letting go doesn't... No need to leave the house, no need to go anywhere, God is present everywhere so do your duty but in God conciousness w/o attachment, that's all. It is that simple. Baba always says - remain compassionately detached. Even though you leave your family & go to jungle, maya will follow you as you are carrying it in your head. humble regards,always at Thy Holy FeetManjula Patel----Dear Sadaks,Thus answered Sri Vyasji, ""Na me bhaktah pransyati? There Lord Krishna asks Arjuna to take a vow that there will never be a downfall of His devotee. He asks Arjuna to take oath !! Because Krishna ( God) can deviate from HIS oath but not from the oath of HIS Bhakta"". I liked to hear from Vyasji though I knew it. Now who is Baktha? Defenition of Baktha?Slowly developing love (Desire for reading divine books, listening recorded divine lectures, meeting and spending time with Saadhus, sitting alone and craving for GOD) is one who is Baktha. Bagavan says, Kamiyartha Baktha, Prema Baktha, Niskama Prema Baktha. Only in Bakthi Marg, Bagavan takes over HIS Bakthas from start (Person who is desiring for GD0). In Sanyasa Marg or in Yog Marg Bagavan remains wittness, because in these 2 Margs Sanyasi or Yogi does have somewhere in a corner of his mind (Without his awareness) that he is Kartha for Sanyas or Yog. Bagavan said in Geetha that Sanyasi or Yogi fails several times before reaching HIM. Example: Sanakathis (Sri Bhramaji Manasa Puthras) fell pray to anger at doors of Vaikunt in cursing Jaya and Vijaya. But in case of Baktha behaving with Krodh/Kama/Loba etc HE takes care to rectify and make him realize. So many cases are there. Jai Sri krishnaB.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!One more point I want to share on Sathyanarayanji's post on Geeta saying "thatman does attain me in one of several births", so God is already attained butwhen is the question(time factor).If we look closely, that which we really are, Atman-Self-Consciousness nevertakes birth nor dies. Our ignorance as desires, latent tendencies-vaasanasacquired while in physical body forms subtle body(sanskaras) and it merges withcosmic subtle body or mass karmas of all beings upon death. It gets recycledthrough another body and ignorance continues its journey further until itrealizes its true nature in some human birth. So that which we truly are nevertakes re-birth. Thus by the time one realizes many births may have gone, butonly in ignorance, like in a dream! This is what I think Krishnaji may havemeant.Upon realizing Atman how does it matter how many births have gone? Again we saythis to emphasize the immediacy of the Realization. From the point of view ofmind, time is there, but time has not played any part in realization.How can it, it is not real. It is a simplistic and pragmatic assumptions. Evenan hour by clock time is experienced differently by different people, some findit too long when perceived boring, some find it too quick when perceivedinteresting! Time which is of Maya is flowing, and can never be experienced bymind. Thus what we call NOW is not mind's experience, it is mind's concept ofzero duration! Like in a dream we can experience whole life in few minutes, butupon waking up, there was no reality! So by saying it takes several births torealize we don't convey any value to those on the path of inquiry, on thecontrary it discourages.Besides, several births are only almost zero second to God, whose Grace bestowsRealization to those who are in fit to receive in His judgment!

Namaskar.............Pratap Bhatt------------------------Dear sadaks,Sri Vyasji has given nice explanation to my query BG 9:31- Na me bhaktahpransyati? Thank you.B.Sathyanarayan------------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Dear Sathyanarayanji, please accept my pranaam, you need not beg pardon! we areonly exchanging our understanding! Let us be in the spirit of oneness as yousaid and freely exchange!Let me do the best I can to clarify. "Does Maya bind us or we are binded byMaya. That is, "is Maya making us to be bonded or are we getting ourselves intoMaya", you asked.Maya binds us as long as we don't inquire who we truly ARE! We consider us asbody-mind limited entity and it continues as long as we allow it to gounchecked! We do have freedom for this inquiry! We can be free of suchignorance, and stop Maya at individual level. However, if we don't exercise thisfreedom in this birth, we continue to live in ignorance of Maya! So, Maya haspower only if we give it to! Maya stays away from True Bhaktas you give examplesof many times! Those bent on inquiry are Bhaktas of TRUTH!Maya also refers to illusion at cosmic level, is universal for all of us! Forexample, rainbow is illusion in the sense seven colors are seen as magnificentbow(of Rama as some say) just from rain water and sunlight, or mirrage seen indesert etc etc. Even when we know the truth we continue to see Rainbow andmirrages, however, it cannot bind us anymore, on the contrary it is joy all theway.Stories in our puranas are to emphasize the importance of stepping out of Maya,and some dramatization always help in such stories. Narada has this big ego ofwinning Maya, so, he was fooled is one such example!When we look at the world and take objects as real, not knowing it as Ishwara,its reality, it is due to Maya principle, it is said. It means, Maya is not aproblem, but to consider it REAL is the ignorance! If Maya can end, it isappearance and not permanent, that which appears but is not, Permanent is THATwhich never ceases to be. BG 2:16.Namaskar...............Pratap Bhatt

 

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Shri HariI belong to God -I accepted it first of all. One could see who has gyan & othercould not see who has agyan. I and my-ness is main obstacle which i finddifficult to conquer to get peace(Gita 2.71). I am trying as sadhak.Ram Rampawan singhal------------------

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Thank you all for your insights and co-operation. On having satsang withdevotees of Swamiji in Vrindavan (Shri Nawal Ram ji and consulting ShriRameshji Maharaj by telephone), I learned the following -

Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind's nature to bein constant search. Search of worldly matters and things or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically divert from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.

Jai Sri Krishnapawan singhal

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Hari Om

It is so divine to read message of Catherine to Sadhaks. Nothing more needs tobe done. Nothing more needs to be known. Nothing more needs to be got. Such isthe power in what she is practicing. You have caught the nerve of Satsanga-Sadhika Catherine. My pranaams to you.

Sathyanarainji ! Are you referring Sir to BG 9:31- Na me bhaktah pransyati?There Lord Krishna asks Arjuna to take a vow that there will never be a downfallof His devotee. He asks Arjuna to take oath !! Because Krishna ( God) candeviate fron His oath but not from the oath of His Bhakta, viz Arjuna. It is aguarantee of highest order by Paramatma to the Sadhaks. If you turn towards Me ,you shall never fall thereafter ! Krishna had, before Mahabharat War had takenan oath that he shall not lift weapon in the war. When Bheesma Pitamah knew,then he took the oath that I will make Krishna lift the weapon. Krishna forgotabout His oath and ensured that Bhishma Pitamah's oath is protected and liftedthe wheel of a broken Ratha ( chariot) and ran after Bhisma. . Such is the God,Dear Sadhaks.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Dear Sathyanarayanji, you need not beg pardon. We are exchanging ourunderstanding on this wisdom platform! God is really playing by being us in ourroles, I am sure of this as you are! I am not attached to what I share withsadhakas, and never insist it is the only truth!It has and is helping me to go deep within to feel the hidden, invisiblePresence and put few words around it as if finger is pointing at Moon. Just asfinger cannot touch the moon, mind cannot conceive the Presence, SELF! This maysound like bad news. but the good news is: since Self is already what "I" is,ever attained! So "I" cannot attain "SELF", just as eyes cannot see eyes even asthey see everything. The Grace points to the eyes "my dear, the fact that yousee everything is the proof of your Being more than what you see, so stopsearching and just be!". The eyes heed and realize, not that they will seethemselves ever, but the need to see themselves disappear altogether! Mind ispointed the same truth "you cannot see God separate from you, You ARE IT!It is the same here, all attempts to attain Paramatman by "me", non existententity, stops. Then all notions, beliefs which are images in the mind of Godbeing separate from "me" drop away in this Realization!In that Realization, mind becomes quiet, peaceful on its own in which Glimpse ofAtman is natural. So, I don't entertain any ideas about separate God right atthe outset, not wait for Realization to happen!This is what I understand by Paramatman is already attained! Vasudeva Sarvamfrom the beginning!

Unfortunately mind comes back and claims that Glimpse(of God) to be his ownexperience, not realizing that it was absent when Glimpse was Present. Kabirjiputs this as "Either Hari or "me", both cannot be present on the path ofLOVE"(Prem gali ati sankari, tame na samay do................).The Grace by the way, takes the guise of Swamiji or like him or scripture ordevotion or Satsang with spiritual friends like thhis forum.So why don't we realize now? Realization is like glimpses, like lightening,flashes here and flashes there, in time frame from the point of mind, but notdue to time really! When someone realizes SELF, it has nothing to do withelapsed time, because suppose if the same one didn't realize then also timewould have elapsed, right? So time is not the independent variable in theequation at all, only understanding brings it! Understanding means Devotion orSelf-less Karmas or any combinations, but finally only Grace will do it! You canonly go to the Gateless Gate and wait, and the doors open when God wants it!This is the reason Saints say that you do sadhana, and in time You will realize.Time is just a thought which references a point in the past and thought arise inus such as "oh, it took 5 years to realize or change" etc etc. No one canexperience the time in chronological way(it is running river), we experienceonly interveals of time as thoughts only. Thought is psychological time,thoughts creates time(and space too)! see for yourself.Few more clarifications later!Namaskar.........Pratap Bhatt--\------

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I am devotee of God and have never had doubts of his existence. I attain Godthis way. I put in different places little post it notes, Please do not let meforget You even for a moment, I say He Naath, He Mere Naath, I think on Bagwaan,Paramatma and Vasudev Sarvam all times. I use prayer of Oh Father let me neverforget you even for a moment, oh Compassionate One, let Your sweet memory bealways with me.Oh kind hearted my Father, my Master there is no one else, let menot forget you even in my dreams,while walking, eating, sleeping let me onlythink of You.In whatever I do let me always think of You.Your sweet, sweetmemories ever remain.Please grace me with this remembrance.. whatever work thatis being done yet in my heart, in my mind there is only God. Please I lie atyour lotus feet entreating let not even a moment pass without me rememberingyou, let me think of you every second, HE NAATH HE MERE NAATH Let me neverforget, let me remember all times...

catherine

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Hari Om

Pawanji. Why you should consider some thing to be difficult to conquer? What isthe difficulty?

What is yours? A thing/body over which you have no independent control , canthat be yours? By what yardstick you consider some thing/body to be yours? Athing/body which was not yours in the past, not going to be yours in the future,at present also it is constantly drifting away from you, how that thing can beyours? Where is the difficulty in understanding this simple fact?

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B---Dear sadaks,I first beg pardon from Sri Pratabji. Sri Pratabji, Sri Vyasji, Sri Mikeji, andall those NAMES mentioned by Sri Vyasji are one of Paramathuma` s and notdifferant. Only names divides to produce sounds. Sri Pratabji, it is not me whoimplied on you. Where is you or me? We are one and the same as said by you.Sri Pratabji you have answered in your posting. That is, ""We make suchstatements as "until you realize Self or Paramatman, you are in Maya, bondage!But I say until you choose to remain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" Iknew you will precisely answer and only in that sense I requested you.One more clarification from sadaks on the above line,""until you choose toremain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" Does Maya bind us or we arebinded by Maya. That is, "is Maya making us to be bonded or are we gettingourselves into Maya" Some sadak has written about Naradhji getting monkey facebecause he said he won Maya. Maya has played with Paramathuma when HE decendedto earth as Badrinarayana, and with Bagavan Shiva and Maya lost & went back inshame.""Swamiji means what he said "Paramatman is already attained", is a statement offact we need to discover for ourselves!"" promtly said by SriPratabjiBagavan said in Geetha that line, ""Aneka Samshidayah-------". That man doesattain me in one of the several births."" which means that man alreadyattained, but when is the question (Time factor).Dear Sadaks, kindly enlighten me on the line starting with ""Name Baktha-----""said in Geetha. Please be precise in answer with a story example if possible.Namaste to Sri Pratabji and all other sadaks.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan

 

 

--------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear sadak, (pawan singhal )Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind nature to be inconstant search. Search of worldly matters and things/ Or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically diverse from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan--------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Sri Pratab Bhatt says, To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delaying salvation" or he maynot even need to ask. God would know all true Bhaktas' heartfelt desires formerging in Him."" But Swamiji saidGoswamiji has said `Lord, give me your devotion and free me of desires, angerand faults'. Only `Give me your devotion as that alone will suffice.' 3rd March,2009, Tuesday Falgun Shukla Panchami, Vikram Samvat 2065, Mangalvar

Sri Pratab I know he will have answer for SadhaksJai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan------------------------------Dear Sadaks,

Sri Pratabji thus said so is absolutely correct, Thus salvation is what wealready are. If you remember Swamiji says Paramatma is already attained, how canyou attain that which is attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is whatwe are, not we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.

Now the question comes from ordinary men. -1) I am fraud, doing all underhand dealings, I cheat people and bank or evennation, I know how bad I am. Sir, you are telling me that I already attainedParamathuma .2) Politician said, I know what I am doing and Sir you call me I attainedParamathuma. Don’t be kidding.3) Student said, I have to achieve so much in life Sir you say I attainedParamathuma.4) Householder said, I have to get my children married and see that they getsettled, don’t be joking I attained Paramathuma.

What Swamiji said was also correct. Then where came the difference?

Human alone is blessed with such a body and intellect that can discriminate goodand bad, body and the soul, jeeva and paramathuma. Now a boy is told that he isfit to become doctor. He studies hard and gets Degree as a doctor. He did notknow he can become doctor until told. He then studied well and became doctoronly on listening to advisor (Guru). So Swamiji shares the teachings of the Gitaand scriptures saying human has in built capacity and ability to attain God.Which means that one need not fear that he cannot attain GOD, as he has allprovisions to attain God. But human does not know this power within is there.Now take animals they don't have that power to attain God, except in exceptionalcases. Animals have to raise to human level to attain God. Referance; KapilaGeetha told by Bagavan to Deva Hoothi. Even devatas, Indra etc are to take humanbirth and get salvation says Vedas. This valuable life gift (Godliness) isattained, but unaware of the birth of a human birth gift obtained by passingthrough various birth from tree to animals. Misuse this birth and go back to aworm in a dust bin says Vivekachudamani. Narayana Batadri a famous sant ofGuruvayuralso wrote that the human body is invaluable gift, if misused one takesbirth as animals. Referance: Srimath Narayiniyam. Bagavan in Geetha also said,"Aneka Jalma Samshidayaha-----" Gyan is that you now accept that you are in aattained position of Paramathuma. Vig (Scientifically- Science of Creation) isapplied to Gyan and one becomes Vig Gyani where by he can never ever commitmistake after becoming so. A Gyani has committed mistake but Vig Gyani does not.Best Example: Adi Sankara was Gyani but his Gyan was incomplete, until BagavanShiva came in disguise as Chandala with 4 dogs in street of Kasi and gave VigGyan. Referance : Manisha Panchakam.

Sri Pratabji wrote that "Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa. .....Karishyetavachanam.. .."I remember my true Self now Lord, I will do what you say".

So every human needs Sri Krishna. the Guru to say these, then he will say, Iremember my true self until then he is in maya.

Sadaks, body is a vital tool to attain Paramathuma. Bhramaji was jealous inheaven when he saw Sri Krishna eating along with his friends in Vridavan, onefeeding each other. He thought what a gift to be a child in Vrindavan along withSri Krishna. My post is useless. Devas and devathas where still more jealous andit would have best to be a calf or cow there rather than in this Bog lok wastingtime.

Sadaks we are blessed to be in human form on earth to the extent to serve SriKrishna in Pooja, in making Mala, in giving HIM fruits, in prostrating at hisfeet, in singing HIS songs, in seeing HIM blissfully. This NO ONE else in 13Loks can do. Referance : Sants of Panderpur, Shenayi, Chota Mela, Sakubai etc.and also written in Gyanapaana of the great sant who flew to Vaikunt by PuspakaViman in 1650 at Malapuram in public view Sant Sri Poothanam.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------False asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti) Said Sri pawan singhal.How many times happiness came and gone?. How many times unhappiness came andgone? It will come and go, so be aware of this truth.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan

 

-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariI accept Gita 7(19) that God is everywhere and in everything but Ican not realise God due to lack of understanding of Gita 18(48) & false asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti).I am trying to make relationship with self but in vain. Other way isonly to meet the devotee of God in physical form as guided in Gita 4(34). I realise swamiji as Giani -Gita 4(34) & take benefit tillassociation with Him. Now I am trying those benefit through group that is insant satsang. I have already requested tosadhakas of this group but in vain.I believe in association of great soul in physical form to getspiritual guidance as I feel with Swamiji at Rishikesh & Kolkatta.Please assist me to meet divine sadhaka & other realised greatsoul/Giani/devotee of God

pawan singhalRam Ram----------------------------NEW POSTING

Shri HariLonging is by the Self is answer of my question as explained byMeera Das. I request to Sh. Meera Das & all sadhaks please explainHow it will happen? I can only pray to God. I am helpless.Ram Rampawan singhal

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Shree HariRam Ram

Here are simple, clear and very easy words spoken in Hindi bySwamiji -

"Sabse pehle sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hoon. Ek baar saralhriday se dridhta poorvak sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hihoon. Jab aap bhagwaan ke ho to aapko unki smriti ke liye kuch karnahi nahin padega. Aapki har kriya unki pooja hogi."

Meager attempt at translating these simple words -

"First of all, accept that I am Bhagwaan's (I belong to God). Justonce, with a simple, straight forward heart, accept with a firmconviction, that I am only Bhagwaan's (I belong to only God). Whenyou become Bhagwaan's then you will have to do absolutely nothingfor His rememberance. All your activities will become His worship."

Now the Panchamrit (Five Golden Principles) just happens on it'sown -1) I am only God's2) I reside in His kingdom only3) I do His work (good and auspicious) only4) I receive only His prasad (blessing/offering)5) With the prasad received from Him, I serve only His family.

Now what will cause you to forgot Bhagwaan (God)? When you becomesomeone's do you have to remember you belong to them? Do you haveto recite at night I belong to Him, I belong to Him, I belong toHim? Do you have to study to remind yourself, since I belong to myBeloved, I must cook and do other work for Him? Do you have toremind yourself that since I belong to Him, I must take care of Hischildren? and so on?

Become Bhagwaan's (God's) ONLY ONCE !!!! .... says Swamiji... Magicfollows... undoubtedly.

Meera DasRam Ram

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In India we are lucky to have amongst us God realised souls who areshowing others the path to salvation. These gurus by shunningworldly comforts and possessions are showing us the way. Once werealise that every thing that we see is maya or illusion and thatthe only truth is the Soul or Atma within each of us whose only goalis to unite with the Parmatma, we can attain salvation. What we aretoday is the result of our past karmas but we can control what wewill become through through the result of our present karmas. So ifwe follow the right path of sewa or helping others, satsang orseeking the company of good people, sadhna or spiritual practicesand dhyan or meditation to connect with our Soul then we will be onthe right path.Hari Shanker Deo--------------------------

Thank You Narinder Bhandariji. I bow to YOU and The Krishnarejoicing your Rejoice.

Respects.

Naga Narayana----------------------------

Dear Sadaks,One says Salvation/Mukthi is always there. Another point said thatyou that Sat Chit and Anandham. Then why one has to suffer? Becausereason

1) One knows not to tell lies, but says- Mind level.2) One knows drinking alcohol is wrong, but drinks -Body level.3) One knows that he has to Sadhana, but does not do, intellectlevel.

These 3 are called Trikarna Sudhi (Clealiness of body mind andintellect) How to achieve it? By guidance - God/Guru. SalvationMukthi is there, but one is not living in it as the qualities arenot there. A person with eye sight is unable to read. But then heneeds spectacles. So the body, mind and intellect is not in form, itis spoilt. He needs Gyan (Spectacle) to see within (Athuman) hisswaroop.He gets from Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh. Until then he does notrealize that he is easily reachable to God/Salvation/Mukthi. That iswhy without Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh he undergoes birth afterbirth. The man who obtained Gyan knows preyty well that his Swaroopis itself divine and because of curtain of Maya he lost valuablelife time.What is wrong in learning from the saint's teachings? In fact theirteaching are there for one to follow. Otherwise those historiescould not have been written. In fact it is easy to follow a saintpath to reach God faster. Saints showed easy methods that could makeone realize.There were so many disciples who followed the instructions of theirGuru and obtained Mukthi. Example: Sant Ekanath. In Kaliyug it isdifficult for man to read scriptures/Sanskrit Etc and then know thepath. In Srimath Bagavath says in Kaliyug Namasankeerthan is enoughto get liberated. Each yuga Dharma is there in Scripts. If someonetells me easy and quick and fast way to reach Badrinath, what iswrong in following his advise. So are Bakthas who guides us. Just bypresenting a flower Mala daily with faith and love to God a saint(Vishnu Chithar) says it will pave path to Vaikunt. It seems easybut if one tries that somewhere or other he fails in timely pooja orloose a day without, or gets stuck to some business or occupied in afamily function Etc. So sincerity, faith, love towards God settingaside even a great need of family produces realization. Sadaks, manyof us go temple say certain day Friday/Saterday. How punctual are we?

Hiranyakasipu and Prahald had argument where is GOD. Prahald said HEis everywhere. His father asked is HE in this pillar. Prahaladsays, "Drusyate" (Yes I see God). His father says "Nah Durshyate" (Ican not see HIM). Why? One has Gyan the other has Agyan. ThoughParamathuma there , one could see and other could not see. Most ofus are still in Agyan. Here Guru was Prahalad who showed GOd andHiranyakasipu obtained Mukthi.

Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------

PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam Ram

Dear Pawanji, Swamiji has said that such experience of the presenceof God, the rememberance of God, your Beloved One by truesentiments, is only possible by one's own Self. Not by mind/intellect and not by trying to remember. It is only when thislonging is by the Self, that it happens on it's own simply,naturally, and involuntarily (Swabhavik). Swamiji says this is soinnate that it happens even in one's sleep. Rather it happensnaturally all the time. Intense attachment and longing for God -round the clock. It is not about "doing" but simply "being". Itsimply and naturally "IS". Absolutely nothing has to be done toremember our Beloved One.

Just like when our Beloved is going to arrive by train, and we havenot seen him for a long time and we are waiting at the railwaystation for Him, and we feel the anxiety, the longing - When will myBeloved come? When will I see Him? How much longer will it be beforeour eyes meet? This anticipation, this longing is so intense thatone simply cannot wait even a moment. It is consuming ! Just thatone thought.. when will I see my Beloved!

Just like when we are intensely thirsty and are consumed with thethought of a sip of water. Do you have such enthusiasm? Such drive?Such Zeal? Such Intensity? Such Sentiments to meet Your Beloved One,God? - asks Swamiji

Meera DasRam Ram

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Krishna and His song

The Heart,

In longing pain

Cries out

Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!

The Soul rejoices.

 

The Mind

In love's ecstasy

Bows at the feet of the Beloved

The Soul rejoices.

 

And Krishna smiles,

The flute rising to his lips.

Ah! The symphony of the soundless sound,

Where

The seven disappear into the Light of lights

Where

Time disappears into Timelessness

 

And

The Heart,

In longing's pain

Keeps Crying out

Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!

And

Thence comes the Lords song of songs

The Bhagavad geetha, ah !

To assuage the hearts pain

And, the Minds thirst for Knowledge, and Light

aum

narinder bhandari

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Hari Om

Pawanji ! You have received sterling in sights in response to yourQs, the last one from Mira Dassji. Truth and only truth is there inher last message to you. If you just "accept" with a simple heartwhat she has so eloquently recommended to you, your search gets overeffortlessly, then and there !! Where can Paramatma hide when youstart with goal of BG 7:19? Can ice hidden behind ice ever remainhidden?

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B------------------------------Dear Sadhak,Why think to achieve salvation at the "end" ? It cannot be a futuregoal. It is HERE and NOW as stated by sadhak Narinderji.Only effort needed is to be present Here and Now with a deep longingto reach HIM. Now is the eternity zone. All spiritual practices likebreath control, name chanting, mala japa etc leads sadhak to remainin present moment.The whole world is nothing but an illusion, a web of our thinkingmind. When a sadhak practices living in here and now, he is out ofthe grip of his thinking mind and all doing becomes happenings."Sarva Dharma Paritjya, mamekam sharanam vrij"Gitaji. when sadhaksurrender to Krishna, he accept every moment As IT IS and remainssubmerged in the ocean of Love, Bliss and Peace.with Love,a sadhikaSadhna Karigar

Shri HariI am asking question due to my nature-Gita 5(14) & Gita 2(7) butbefore Gita 18(73) & because I know the truth-everything belongs toBhagwan, the essence, I say this but I do not believe the truth, theessence as i say in prayer written by Swami Shri RamsukhdasjiMaharaj.Meera Das & Pratap Bhatt has explained after Gita 18(73)Ram Ram------------------------------

 

-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam Ram

Swamiji incessantly, relentlessly, persistently spokeabout "Vasudeva Sarvam"(All is God) in the final years in His mortal body. He repeated thismany times- PLEASE READ CAREFUL AND ACCEPT IMMEDIATELY! If there is noquestions ordoubts, then PLEASE ACCEPT RIGHT NOW!

Swamiji said -Whatever is perceived with mind, speech, sight and other senses isonly God.Accept this immediately. The active, inactive, conscious, matter,[born of egg,sweat and sprouting from earth] - all are God and nothing else. Goodor bad,wicked or virtuous, all are God. There is nothing else besides God.He whowishes to attain God should accept this fact. As Shri JaydayaljiGoyandka usedto say that "Whatever is seen is God's divine form and whatever isexperiencedand activities undertaken is His divine play/pastime (lila).

If you are very serious about your question, if you believe in Gita4:11 (thathowever a devotee worships Me, so do I approach them) and have anardent andintense longing to find the answer to this question, it does notmatter if it isat the end of life or not, SIMPLY FROM NOW ONWARDS - EVERYTHING YOUSEE ISBHAGWAAN'S SWAROOP (God's Divine Form) AND EVERYTHING YOUEXPERIENCE/DO IS HISLILA (Divine Play/Pastime).

Now if a devotee worship Bhagwaan in this manner, where canBhagwaanji HIDE?Tell me one place he will not be? Tell me how at the end of thislife, end ofthis human body, He will not be there as Yamdoot (God of Death)?Tell me whereyou will need to go searching for this rare Devotee of God by true & heartfeltsentiments? If your sentiments are true and heartfelt, can you notaccept whatGita says and what Swamiji says that Bhagwaan (Vasudeva) iseverywhere, ineverything, in all that you see, think, feel, do, experience andmore, becausethere is only "Vasudeva" and this is clearly stated in the Gita 7:19and throughout the Gita in Chapter 11 and more!

Do you have any further questions or doubts? Please bring them out!

Meera DasRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sri Pawan kumar

I remember the words of a man who is an ardent devotee of SriRamana. He used to say 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVENIF YOU DO NOT THINK OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE.

Please contemplate on that

vrsarma podury

PRIOR POSTINGDear Sadhakas, Namaste!To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delayingsalvation" or he may not even need to ask. God would know all trueBhaktas' heartfelt desires for merging in Him.What I mean is the when you are in love with God, unconditionally,you wouldn't want to make loving Him as a means to the end(salvation). Such love or remembering God constantly is in itselfthe means and end, without duality even though on-lookers may feelBhagwaan and Bhakta as separate.I consider salvation as Moksha or liberation from a false senseof "me", non existent ego and establishment in Atman our true Self.Thus salvation is what we already are. If you remember Swamiji saysParamatma is already attained, how can you attain that whihc isattained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what we are, notwe will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.In attaining anything there is duality of someone who attains andsomething to be attained, not the case here in this Bhakti (lovingdevotion).Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa......Karishye tavachanam...."I remember my true Self now Lord, will do what you say".One lives free of "me" as Sat-Chit-Ananda only.In salavation no individual entity survives, it is livingimpersonally, as Intelligence, Love, Peace, Steadfastness! Karmasare done when needed without doer!Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt------------------------------

Dear Sadhak,I am remember the boon of Kunti in Mahabharat.She requested LordKrishna to keep them in poverty so that she can remember almightyGod.Still however we should keep that spirit and in spite of alltroubles and our condition we should never avoid offering prayers atleast or twice.We should learn as to hoe to prayer.Please refer tomy book on 'Prayers of all Religions of the world. This is what IfeelTruly yours

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

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Sree Pratabji, Kindly bear with me for my mistake. Your goodnesssaid-- say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he havetime to ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living inSalvation?. Baktha is in constant thought of GOD that is why he hasfull time to askGOD why that HE is delaying salvation. Worldly man partly with Godhas time to ask GOD for his desires to be fullfilled one after theother until death. Such man Geetha has said Kamiyartha Baktha, whomGOD gives him long rope fulfilling his desires one after other, GODhoping he will become Jignasu. That hope of GOD is benovolence. Onceagain pardon me if I am wrong and enlighten me.

Salvation is that I thought is attained stage, not living insalvation. Salvation is to be attained and not living in it. Meanstrying for salvation. Once salvation is attained there is nodesires. You are very right Sir.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------

God is available only when we become His and remember His Gloriesand His name many times continuously, then and then we will feel Hispresence within your hearts. He will be seen but his presence willbe felt. This is how Mirabai, Narsinh Mehta and Chaitainya MahaPrabhu realized God.This is what I feel everyday while offering prayers

Truly yoursS S Bhatt

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadak,You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but inVeerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youRproblem ends.B.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explainedby Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh KumarPawan SinghalRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sadhaks ,The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Pathof a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on twodifferent points of time , are given below. Both are related .

In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated asfollows :

1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never havebeen ( and , can never be )otherwise .

2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answersare available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); itis ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be knownat a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available toThe Knower of the Self by Existence .

3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). Itis always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.

4.The sense of Doership disappears .

5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power-----not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......to transform the seeker ).

7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, wewere already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( weshall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is theTest ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basicprinciples shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remainBlissful, and Peaceful .

8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , withthe intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . Theshortest Way.No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition ofones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .

9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way toLight is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but yourwillingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truthof Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It isalready present in YOU, You are already That .

ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )

-------------For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union withthat great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :

1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on thesacred Path of love and Light.

2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personalexperience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable

3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in thatexperience.

4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Graceand yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any morerunning away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. ExistencesPlay , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part ofExistential Play and Doing

5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is theKnowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strivefor Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scripturesspeak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seekingheart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma

6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is tojudge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movementof the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses todie to the self , to realise the Self.

the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.

Narinder bhandari

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previouspost!I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time toask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?

I say this to emphasize "remembering God and not expectinganything", just unconditional love for God goes a long way.No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilationof "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) haveno footing. "me" is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinlysay they are, to pay our respect!Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have differentapproaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired bysuch Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique intheir own way is the proof of different expressions of the sametruth.Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt

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Q: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for AttainingSalvation?

Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are nosentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.Remembering The God is another myth.

Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataractin terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of itshinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of theignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception andexperience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist fortheir approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is sostrong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealedhere!

Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishadsmake it very clear:

Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |

The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such aslistening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of theself-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects aswell as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far asthere is insistence for seeing everything through the lens ofcognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what itsees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmittedmay not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatialboundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The imagesensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien toeach other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality isfutile in the first place.

But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest tobe attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort ofseeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever couldjust escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fearscocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one couldjust drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for everyone!

Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanumswaam ||

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which isThe You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at yourdeath, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT revealsitself within and around.

Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:

Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||

I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannadaequivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefitfrom,

Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.

Grossly, it means,

How can there be a sense of existence without something beingwithin?The being within remains "as is" NOT seeking anything.How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can everattain That?Understand that you can attain the one within by just being withinseeking nothing.

Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strengthwithin to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality inhis revelation on "Bhagavattattva" (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):

1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop AntahKarana (intrinsic awareness).2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innateawareness).3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)

I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in thisregard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar hegenerously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is beingcurrently circulated.

Respects.

Naga Narayana------------------------------Hari Om

Pawanji ! You "become" of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practicea wife "becomes" of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simpleheart: I am of the God, only God is mine.

Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The "karta"(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have becomeGodly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God isthat which "happens" effortlessly and which is not "done" .

Look at the status today. We "have to" think/remember about God,while thinking/remembering about the world "happens automatically".

Why? Because at "subtle ego level" we continue to be of world. Hencethoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the worldonly , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experienceproblems in concentrating.

CHANGE YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" ! Thereuponbhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will "haveto be done"!

As simple as that !

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B------------------------------Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God sothat we can do many good things in life and we will be happy asposting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life withoutinterruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the postingof all sadhakRam Ram

pawan singhal--------------------------------Shree HariRam RamPawanji, kindly post "sixteen powers by God" as separate question.From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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Priy sadhakIn my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in everylittle bit of action happening in & around U.Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?Like breathing.Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.Can U do all this?Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our lifewithout interruption and without any noise. also without showing anyehsan.Doesnt it make u believe & love god?If yes love moreif no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.Sorry if I hurt U.I didnt mean it.thanxRaja Gurdasani------------------------

Dear Sadaks,Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress andasked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songswere Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was withSri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they werehighly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left anatom of thought any part of their life that they are already insalvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is nottracable.But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares forfood. Those great men we recognised them as "Chitta Braman", (metalyhandicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes theywill be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.

B.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Pawan Kumar ji,I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.Love is God.God is Love.Love allServe all.See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who isgiven this blessed Birth.Think GoodSee GoodHear GoodDo Good.

Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , sothank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIScreation.

By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice iswith you but to do this you always need the blessings of thatSupreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path ofsalvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIMto decide.

It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.

One need to have a strong determination and go step by step anddrop by drop you can fill the ocean.

I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any wayWith Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal LoveKAMLESH KUMARHELP EVER HURT NEVERLOVE ALL SERVE ALLHAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAY

Kamlesh Kumar------------------------------

Dear Sadhakas, namaste!Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When "I" whoexpect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to beone and the same, salvation has happened.In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desireanything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,Beauty, Harmony, Joy!Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object ofdesire!when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, "I" alsoend at the same time, not later!See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadak,pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over andif you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, "Aninya Chitayayome", meansconstant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Yourresponsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HISresponsibility takes over.This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE willliberate HIS baktha in same birth.Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, makinggarlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listeningscriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleepand practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lightinglamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walkingaround HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri KrishanayaVasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In allmoments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan

-------------------------------Dear Sadhak,

Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form ofhuman being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 milliondifferent forms of births. If we know we will always remember Himbecause we are obligated to Him

Secondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us somesixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life andwe will be happy.Shankerprasad S Bhatt

----------------------------We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritualpractices will definitely lead us in the right direction.Hari Shanker Deo

-------------------------------SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.See God in All. God in you is the God in All.Serve All.Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing toserve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice isyours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.- "Aninya Chitayayome", means constant thought on ME, that soul I(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha insame birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living inSalvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruptionand without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we areeternally obligated to Bhagwaan- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed.- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannotwithold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptionalreality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty inrealizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.Remain "as is" NOT seeking anything. Simply be!Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsicawareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti toremain in The Tattva … The Absolute- Become of "Paramatma", then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'has become of God. Our problem is that at "subtle ego level" wecontinue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.Change YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" !- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditionallove for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) leadto anhilation of "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger,jealousy, etc) have no footing.- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.- living in the present, Now and here.- sense of Doership disappears- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.- Words become Fewer- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. MinimumDiscussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone'sBeing ( SEE 1 Above ),- and finally... drop all Knowledge- longing for God is Existence Gift- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to theself , torealise the Self. when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.- 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINKOF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE

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I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments which is rarebut is somewhere -Gita 7(19).

God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4(11). Mymessage is how can I think of God & remember God by true sentiments so that ican get salvation at the end at least as per Gita 8(5).

pawan kumar singhalRam Ram-------------------------------NEW POSTING

Hari OmNandaji ! Why do people pray? Because God is our own. With whom can we share our status except God? He only is ours. God looks not at what we ask from Him. He looks at our "mineness" with Him. Hence, there is nothing wrong in your requesting God, loving Him, offering prayers and even demanding from Him. TAAHI AHEER KI CHHOKARIYAAN , CHULLU BHARI CHHAS PE NAACH NACHAAWAT !The all Divine Krishna, the owner of all Universes, used to dance on the tunes of Gopis so that Gopis may give Him a cup of butter milk !!Association with such a Paramatma in any form, with any motive is divine.There are 4 types of Bhaktas. One- Artharthi (Seeker of material things/pleasures) Two- Aarta (Seeker of relief from sorrows/pains) Three- Jigyaasu (Curious) Four- Jnani (Lover). All four pray and should pray. Hence there is virtue everywhere and there are no contradictions. You are free always to associate yourself with Him in any manner you want. 'Karma' has relationship with world and gives worldly results. Prayers to Paramatma are not 'Karmas' but 'Upasana'. Hence 2:48 there is not applicable, because it talks about 'karmas'- worldly Karmas !Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B

 

 

 

Pothi pad pad jag mua pandit bhaya na koi

Dhaai aakhar prem ka pade so pandit hoi.

 

Why waste so much energy in long & boring un perceivable explanations? Why Why Why?

Why not love God?

 

Raja Gurdasani

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Dear Sadaks,Sri Vyasji said, ""Harischandra experienced one night as 12 years. Lavana experienced a 100 years of life through one night !"" Yes Sir you are right in one aspect. That is the mind amplifies time one night to 12 years or 100 years when mind attached to sorrow or pleasure. Seperation from beloved is for want (Desire) for her/his company. Similarly sorrow of Harishchandra. In both the cases ONE night is One night 12 hours stricktly by Dharma of earth rotation. It does not rotate faster or slower for anybody except for Sants or Maha Pathivartha. Instance behind that sadaks know.Sri Manjulaji cow cat story is true. It depicts attachment as yogi level. From desire comes all attachment. The instinct of desire Bagavan gave can be totally used to attain HIM. Thus the desire becomes atrtachment to BagavanOne had a beautiful, loving, dutiful wife. His attachment with object of beauty,(Physical form) her love (metal form) duty (intellect form as intellect always respects duty). He is very happy which turns as sorrow. How? If she is sick. If she is late. If she is attacked by some one by means of abuses etc. This happiness plays dual role, sorrow and pleasure.Few minutes of her late from marketing makes mind tense and time seem to be hard Sadaks Sat Sangh with Swami Ramsukhdasji of 2 hours or so goes as few minutes. Few minutes of joint family time goes slowly. Totally the time is fixed and same. It is mind.In Sri Ramayan in one place Sri rama says, ""Oh my dear Sita, I can bring back kingdom, bring back resort were we spent time in Jungle, anything for that matter. But the time 10 months I spent suffering your seperation when you wrere in Lanka,, I (Sri Rama) cannot bring back"".

Sadaks I am not clear in one point.

 

Please clarify. When Sri rama can give Jatayu (Bird) Moksh, When HE can give Moksh to Saint Sarabanger, What made HIM put up to show that HE was searching Mother Sita. HE had such high conscience level and ability to know anything or give anything, like HE gave crown of Lanka to Sri Vibusha much before War. HE knew time and space.There is a concept and a very valuable moral behind it. When Bhramaji approaches Sri Vishnu at Vaikunt to report of Hiranyakashipu's atrocities, Bagavan says, time is not ripe. So many saints were told of their departure from earth in advance mentioing time. Example: Thyagaraja in south India at last days he bangs his head on pedal in front of Sri Rama to take him to heaven. Sri Rama appeared and said wait until certain day and Mugurth. Accordingly Sri Rama took him on the dot of time and date.Another instance Sir, Nakula/Sahadev was called by Duryodhan to fix time and day to wage war against Pandavas, and claim success. He fixes 3rd day to No Moon day. Sri Krishna does terpan on river side one day before No moon day. Duryodhan coming know this that Sri Krishna choose No moon day as to day and suspected Nakula or Sahadev (Sadaks tell who was it) and changes the date of war. Sadaks Paramathuma sticks to day/time though HE is creator, to show that we respect the prakurthi (Nature)Please bear with me for wrong comment if I have sentNamasteJai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan

 

 

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Hari Om

Vasudev Sathyanarainji, Sir!

Believe me I did not mean that there is no progression/transfer from one birth to another of spiritual pursuits/achievements. We all experienced that in the beginning. There are provisions in Gita too re: a sadhak starting from where he left in last human life and definiteness of next birth as human once you have turned sadhak or become 'yoga-bhrashta' or even lifted Holy Gita ( perhaps slight exaggeration). But then the 'object fixation' and "intensity of desire" for God Realisation can always be maximum in any human life and at any time.

Maya- It reduces reality to unreality immediately or pure being to living being instantly. This is an error, Sathyanarainji, relating to reality and unreality. Because of that, it is described as illusion (maya).

Time- Thought alone, Sir, is described by the name space or time, because, under the influence of that thought space and time have arrived at existence.

Therefore, as this appearance of the creation of the world is just an illusion ( Maya), so is this manifestation of a moment or an aeon, ONLY AN ILLUSION. If one obtains the perception of whole of a universal cycle of time in a moment, that aeon exists in the moment alone !! Where is doubt here? Doesn't in a dream a moment becomes an aeon and an aeon a dream? Aeon like is the night of one who is sorrowful and only a moment to one who is delighted. Doesn't one day act like a year to those separated from their mistresses ? (So should be a Sadhak's separation from his Beloved !)

Harischandra experienced one night as 12 years. Lavana experienced a 100 years of life through one night !

Time ... Maya.... Jeeva... Jagat .... Jagdish !!

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B--------

Loving Divine,Pranam.This is to clarify Sathyanarayanji's point... "Maya accompanies us (we cannot carry it) even to Jungle." Maya does not, can not accompany us, I as jivaatmaa associate myself with Maya using mind-intellect. Pardon my ignorance but this is what I understand - yes, Maya is as eternal as God to an ignorant, it is every where even in jungle. A story follows of a saint living in Jungle whose loin cloth was cut by a rat, gets a cat to protect it. To feed milk to the cat, gets a cow, to feed the cow..., etc. etc. The attachment of jiva, the unfulfilled desires of jiva, the ignorance of jiva, associates itself falsely with so called Maya/illusion and it/he/she errs and this illusion is felt by mind, that's why the word "head" used. Your example is perfectly valid because there is desire of sense pleasure aroused... But I believe in the same Bhagvatam(?), the story of Sage Sukdevji is present. Sage Vyasji's son Sukadevji was sent to Rajarshi Janakji. Janakji being a King had used excessive Maya spread all over on the path way of Sukdevji but he was so detached, his heart so pure, his mind so engrossed & one pointed, that he even didn't notice Maya to be around!!! His mind-intellect, thus head, was not in Maya. Hope, the point I was trying to make is clear.humble regards,always at Thy Holy FeetManjula Patel---------------

who is

VASUDEVA SARVAM

His was the Giving

His the Recieving

He , verily , was the recieving and the giving !!

AUM

THE JOY OF GIVING

This moment NOW, which IS

The awareness, which is it’s womb

The two, which are not two

I gift to you

In loving you

In the one-ness of Knowing and Being

I gift this moment to you

For my own joy

I gift this moment to you

Even though knowing

That One-ness

LoveIs

Your Gift to me.

 

THE JOY OF RECIEVING

The Storm rising in my heart, Beloved

Is but a bubble in the silence

The great silence that You are

It is my joy, this tempest

Your gift to me in Time and Space

A joy, because

You

Choose to reveal to me

Your own Being

The Eternity of Now

And the Infinity of Here

Ever rising, ever dying in the Silence

The Silence

Which Is

Which just Is.

The Silence, wherein arise

A million bubbles only to sleep forever

In it’s embrace;

their oblivion an ode to their love for their Being....

SILENCE.

Narinder Bhandari

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Pranaams. 2--47 in Bhagwad Gita, explains that we do duty and do not look for results.Why do ppl pray to God then? Is it for Salvation, to get Moksha, to get His Blessings? Isn't this wanting results from the act of being devoted?

Regards,NandaTAD VISNOH PARAMAM PADAM (Rg Veda 1.22.20) Nandu Kother--------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!My Pranaam to shri Sathyanarayanji. I appreciate his quest for knowledge as well as his wealth of Knowledge.Time is Maya and Maya is time at cosmic level. That which is not but appears to be is Maya. Actually it is planetary movements, and that too in cyclical nature that provide us a basis for measurement of day, week, year, or milleniums. But time is man created by thinking a thought creating past or future, not now. Now cannot be mind's thought, so now is eternity due to no time dimension. Useful as it is, time is conceptual, practical convention.When you say time makes cricket watching possible, it is not time but desire to watch. One's spouse may not watch while one watches during the same hour by the clock. That means time is personal and subjective that allows many different activities for all people based on likings, so it cannot be universal. Notice also that if India is winning and you are Indian, then you wouldn't even feel there is "you watching", and there is time, long or short, But if the other team is winning, it is the longest, boring, and uncomfortable hours, all due to ego. Actually ego is put together by time as bunch of "my thoughts" in mind.This shows when ego is temporarily lost in a game or entertainment, there is no experience of time and no experiencer!Time doesn't affect anything, but we notice a duration of time elapsed when a change is noticed by "thinking a thought".Actually anything we experience is always a past recalling in now. when we see a dog in the moment, by the time we say dog, that moment of initial perception is gone. This is just as we see sunlight on earth 8 seconds later. When realization happens in some birth, Realized says I was always Realized, never not-realized! I regained my memory! When such remembrance happens, we don't notice anything but time duration by again thinking a thought. Realization happens in NOW, not in time!Time and space are not reality in themselves but trick of Natkhat - God, Consciousness so we can experience separate objects, and get lost in them and play leela as long as we like and when tired of playing, we come home we never left, for a cookie and glass of milk!Namaskar.................. Pratap Bhatt

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beloved sadhakas of love divine,

the One word synonymous with salvation is ACCEPTANCE

acceptance of the Lord's Will

the realisation sudden

that you nare NOT a Doer, nor ever was unto Doing

all was happenning as it must

in accordance with the Joy and Will of HIM

who is

VASUDEVA SARVAM

His was the Giving ; His the Recieving

He , verily , was the recieving and the giving !!

AUM

Narinder Bhandari

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Hari Om

"Bahunajanmananate" referred in BG 7:19 need be taken to mean this present human life only- as per Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj also. It is logical and in conformity with many other verses of Holy Gita say 9:30/31 etc. The human life is a special life which is exclusively given only for God Realisation. There, thus, can not be any provision for continuation of bondage, if a sadhak is firm in his determination.

Obstacle, as beautifully pointed out by Miraji Dass is simply worldly desires. It is a matter of a minute , if you are desireless. In any case, the disconnection with world is always certain and connection with God permanent. Jeeva merely needs to realise this fact, and before world leaves him, he needs to leave the mineness with the world. Saints have said:

Santa mil salaa kari, divi jagat ne pooth !

Peechhe dekha jaawata, to pahale hi betho rooth !!

Saints discussed, and then turned their back towards the world. They saw the world going away later, and hence they disconnected with it, before world leaves them!

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

 

An Ode to Dharma

GRACE

Lovingly you turned your glance towards me

Was I worthy? I know not Lord,

But now, it is the Light in Your Eyes that fills me with worth

And my whole being vibrates with a joy Unknown, Your Gift, Your Grace.

The heart sings the song of silence, the limbs dance the Dance of stillness

Knowing and Doing are no more, Not-knowing and Not-doing become the creed

In awe I tremble, the senses smile in surrender

The wave is no more, The Ocean is at peace.

AUM

narinder bhandari

------------------------------- Sri Vyasji said, "How TIME comes in between ? by doing Karma with attachment. ". As sri Pratabji said, "one has freedom to decide" yes, When wrongly decided to worldly matter, time plays it` s role of extending jeeva travel (From one birth to another). " What poor time has got to do with it?", time does so many things. It makes to watch cricket match for hours, it makes one realize his mistakes. Even realized one have to wait for time for leaving this body. Buddha, Jesus, Sri Krishna all waited for time to be ripe for any action. Sri Krishna knew HIS parents in Jail. HE came at appropriate time, when Kans good palas were exhausted. Jesus knew HIS death and said will arise after 3 days (time). "TIME has already turned in our favour as we got human birth.", said Vyasji. Yes he knew the value of human birth. But how many know the value? Many are still in Rat race for money, fame etc. Here again the time comes in some birth when one realizes Who is he. Bagavath Geetha says that Bagavan will put a soul in a suitable place, to a suitable parents, suitable guru and sat sangh, suitable environment where that Jeeva will experience divines and ultimately reach HIM. It is time factor that one himself choose by his Karmas. If any one human realizes that time is in his favour, he renounces and until such time he remains ignorant. Why he is in ignorance is because he has to under go happiness/sorrow, that are to his credit. During this travel of Jeeva over births, one time or other it comes across divine lectures, sat sangh, good company teaching him about God. Then from there the Jeeva develops bakthi (devotion and worship) towards Paramathuma and there after Bagavan looks after the Jeeva as said above.

" Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya". As far I think NO one wants maya or bondage. But most normal man remains in bondage due to Maya. " we only can leave it." Yes we all want to leave Maya it does not go, but keeps on torturing us. Why? Here come Bagavans saying, Kamayesu, Krodhayeshu Etc. Practice to abstain from these 6 bad gunas, the Maya goes by itself. " Who else accepted it?" definitely NO one wants Maya near and ready to accept. But it sticks to us due to 6 Bad Gunas. Maya and 6 bad gunas Bagavan says is two sides of the same coin. Gunas go-- Maya goes. Again Gunas comes based on Karmas. Ex: Bishmaji father went behind a boat man daughter. Sri Krishna says to Vasudev and Devaki on being born, that they were earlier Prisni and Suthapa when HE first born to them. Next to Kasyapa and Adithi as second birth as Sri Vamana (WHO measured whole universe.) The third as Sri Krishna to Vasudev and Devaki. HE alone unbound by time can say this about HIS 3 births. We are time bound by Karmas. Again Bagavan says in Geetha, "Janma Karma Chame Divyam-------Maamethi Soo Arjuna". What does it mean? HE knows cause and effect, but HE is unattached to cause and effect. But we are not.

" Maya means- that which does not exist" said so. Maya does exist not in matter form by in substratum conscience level. It takes over each and every human until desires collapses. "" When Self exists and Maya does not exist, the deliberation has to begin and end with Self only."" Said so. The SELF and Maya are no way connected. If SELF realized Maya dissolves. If SELF yet to be known the Maya stays. ""The renunciation has to be by us."" Said So. Asks all sadaks in this forum, they are ready for renunciation. But How is the question. Now or later. After retirement or before. Before settling family issues or just leave it now. These are common questions common man asks. Because his Karma Pala is still there to serve his family, serve as politician to amass wealth, serve to get fame Etc. It goes only by Namasankeethan says Srimath Bagavath as Sri Krishna sits in IT.

Manjula said, "It is that simple. Baba always says - remain compassionately detached. Even though you leave your family & go to jungle, maya will follow you as you are carrying it in your head.". Maya accompanies us (we cannot carry it) even to Jungle. True: Like the Sanyas sat under water in penance for days, but on seeing the fishes matting, left his sanyas and got married to so many woman and at the end he thought what for all this. Referance Srimath Bagavath.Sri Pratabji descriptions of Maya was well said.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan---------------

Loving Divine,Pranam.Meeraji thank you so much, so beautiful, you always bring more closeness to Swamiji's teachings.humble regards,always at Thy Divine FeetManjula Patel

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Shree HariAs regards Maya- we only accepted the affinity with inert. We- means Self ! Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya - we only can leave it. Very clear reply of Vyas N B on the line of Swamiji is acceptable to me. I will try to accept affinity with God (Gita 15/7).I feel the grace of God(Gita 5/29) on 07.03.2009Ram Rampawan singhal --------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Please bear with me. As Sri Pratabji said that several births discouraging, it is true. Hope to attain realization may reduce or thought futile. But this is not my statement of attaining GOD in several births, but it is Sri Krishna` s in Bagavath Geetha. But in same Bagavath Geetha Sri Krishna also tells that if HE wishes HE can uplift one in the same birth. Contradictory statement of Bagavan. Here sadaks can completely rely upon the second statement of Bagavan and reach HIM straight away. Bagavan has said two methodsof reaching HIM. One right now. Another over several births. Sri Pratabji and Sri Vyasji will explain much better than me to Sadaks.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------Shree Hari Ram Ram Our inner sentiments (Bhaav) drive everything! Also our anubhava (experience/knowledge) tell us everything - the Truth (if we pay attention to it). We are experiencing abhaav (asat, perishability, changing, unreal) all the time, but choose to ignore our anubhava... If we give importance to our experience at this VERY MOMENT, liberation it shall be. Unfortunately, every thing we do is AGAINST our ANUBHAVA. We simply DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT our Anubhava. Gita clearly states - SELF cannot derive pleasure from ASAT (perishable)... yet entire life is dedicated to just doing that alone. (Gita 13:31).

Gita and Swamiji have made this PERFECTLY CLEAR - Till there is desire there is interest in the world. Once the desire goes, the interest goes. Once the interest goes - you become selfless. When you become selfless, your sorrows go, and once your sorrows go - you attain bliss (salvation, realization, benediction, moksha, Truth, God, Beloved, SatChitAnand). Whatever you may call this state. Therefore LEAVE THE DESIRE FOR ASAT. Simply DONOT GO AGAINST YOUR ANUBHAV NO MATTER WHAT, ACCEPT IT AS TRUTH. Where is the DOUBT now?

The recipe is clearly laid out. Simply FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS !!!!

But if you still do not want to follow the directions, continuing to add poison to the ingredients, then simply CALL OUT TO GOD FOR HELP!!! HEY NAATH ! HEY MERE NAATH ! HELP ME !

 

Only we humans have the ability to pay attention and respect our ANUBHAV(experience/knowledge). That is all there is to it!

Meera Das

Ram Ram

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Time is just a thought which references a point in the past, and thought arise in ............

How True , Partap jee, how true ! what to do ....... ah.................... what should poor nari do..............? The natkhat is the Vasudeva Sarvam and Time is only a thought ................ no reality ! how impotent narinder becomes , while Krishna plays and plays ............ ah ! Beloved Krishna

In the game of twoness

You smile as One-ness.

And

In the bliss of one-ness

You dance as two-ness!

 

And, it seems to poor narinder

That

Only Loving is real; You and I false

You are false, Govinda, You are false

You do not exist, nor I

Only Love exists

But even so,

and narinder cannot help loving YOU !

When I say ‘I love You Govinda’, why do you smile?

Love is real

Love alone is real

And

In its mad dance of loving

It chooses to become for one moment

You , The Lord of Lords

And I, Your eternal plaything, your slave, your beloved

Pining and yearning for You

Ecstatically seeking oblivion

In Your look

In Your smile

In your touch.

 

Ah, Krishna ! You are NOT fair !

AUM

narinder

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Ah, my friends, once narinder ventured to ask Krishna what Love is, and how to love God, who is Love !

"O Beloved,….. Love, the mystery, the mystery that you are Beloved, how can it ever be `known'! How can anyone ever know and understand it! Love is Un–knowable! You, my Beloved, are un-knowable. Only you know yourself by yourself… only you reveal to your own Self , the mystery of Love and Loving !"

And........... Thus Spake Krishna

"O narinder…. You can not know Love, but you can be Love, you can only Be. Be that Love. Be love. And, narinder, when you are Love, you `know' Love. You know what Love IS.

Ah ! Narinder, who wish to capture Love in words, let us share a moment … let us become Love, This Moment Now. The love, which is the opposite of `hate' is not what Love is . The love, which embraces hate, which co-exists along with `hate', is Being, is Love .

You can not know love ….. you cannot `do' love…. But you can feel Love. You can be Love. Love is not a `doing'.Love is a happening.Love is not a ' thought'...... thinking. Love is a feeling.

Love is your Being, your whole-ness, your crying need not to withhold anything from anyone, nor inflict anything on anyone.

A million words may be written about love. But if you have not felt it, you have not known it as your own Being-ness---------------you know nothing about Love! And, …. if you have felt it … felt it as your blood, bone and marrow, as your breath and consciousness, as your whole Being, as that, without which, you feel ` not alive'…. Then, narinder, you need no words, no affirmation, no proof, no knowledge…. You need no discussion, no analysis. Love is sufficient unto Love .

Ah ! Narinder…. You are love infinite. Infinite and choiceless; and you are the creator , sustainer and destroyer.Blessed by Love,you create in love. In Love, you sustain, and destroy too… in Love. All your doing, all your knowing , which in truth is of the nature of ` not –doing'… and `not – knowing, is nothing but Love. O nari, what indeed can be said of love! Only Love can know what love is! …….Not I …. not I … not I…. Love is `not I ' And yet, O narinder, Love and I, I and Love, are not –two. I indeed am Love!"

"Thank You, Beloved , thank you for leading Nari to Yourself for understanding of Love," This, now Narinder prays, "O Beloved….. lead me, O Lord, to the presence of those, who have known Love … who are love… who are Krishna … who you are ! Because, Govinda, my heart and soul are scorched by the heat of Love! And the fire can only be extinguished by the ambrosial showers of love from your Bhaktas, who have known Love, who are Love… who you yourself are! "

Jai Krishna, Jai Jai ! AUM

narinder

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Hari Om

Let me reflect upon Vasudev Sathyanarainji's messages as discussed upon by various sadhaks, including by Shri Pratapji. Beautiful brain storming arguments. There are 2 things in substance. One- Bahunaa Janamnaamante (BG 7:19) and another who binds whom? Maya to Purusha or vice versa.

Vasudev Sathyanarainji is absolutely right. Pratapji is also not wrong. Yes after many many births ! After a long long series of lying into various wombs of different species of mothers- one gets ultimately the human life. We all have got it. For all of us this can be the LAST life- God is attained for all of us. We simply have to believe this fact. That is all.The moment you get human life- Paramatma is attained. (Prarabdha pahale racha, peechhe racha shareer- first our object has been finalised, later we got human body) You only have to realise that! Matter ends. In human life only, you can presume He is attained and realise that. (this can be, actually, the 'anta' -last- of all life forms, because the chain started from here only- from a human birth in the past).. Here only you can say - He is attained. NO WHERE ELSE ! There is no question of "when" ! Now !! In this very human birth and always/ever - so long we remain human ! How TIME comes in between ? What poor time has got to do with it? TIME has already turned in our favour as we got human birth.

As regards Maya- we only accepted the affinity with inert. We- means Self ! Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya - we only can leave it. Who else can leave it? Who else accepted it? Maya means- that which does not exist. Self means- that which exists. When Self exists and Maya does not exist, the deliberation has to begin and end with Self only. The acceptance was by us. The renunciation has to be by us. What poor non existent Maya has got anything to do with bondage? Maya has no capacity to bind us. It does not exist. We keep talking/thinking/ relying upon it through mind/time/ignorance type of webs. Where is Maya to bind us? Something must exist at first place to bind us !! Leave shelter of mind- you are free ! Where is bondage thereafter?

Hope the above answers the questions raised and the essence of delibreations. What can be the role of mind or time there?

I have not read full series of arguments (read today only, to the extent trail is there on my BB - full trail is not there). May be I missed something from beginning. Let me know if I have. I will clarify/amend.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Loving Divine,Pranams.In recent post, I started a story - tree is holding me, & left to be told some other time; I think this is a perfect place :-)A guru had 2 disciples - younge (Y) & older (O). Guru: I am going to die soon so tell me what will you do after I am gone. O: I'd continue my search for God following your teachings while remaining brahmachari (celibate). Y: I'd continue my search for God remaining in family as my parents would like. Guru blessed both but called O & requested to keep an eye on Y & died. Few years later O visited Y & was happy to see him doing sadhana while remaining married. Few years passed, O visited Y again, but the picture is different. Y is in the midst of maya with his wife and kids and has almost forgotten God. O reminded him of God & promise given to guru. Y promised to start his sadhana & next time when O comes, to join him in sanyas as his kids would have been settled. Few years later O came back to take Y for sanyas. Y said he can't leave now as his son's wife had delivered a baby (B) & no one takes better care of B then he. Let it grow a little, when B goes to school he will join O. Y understood the problem. Next day early morning Y heard someone is shouting for help. O ran outside, saw that O has hugged a tree tightly & shouting for help claiming that this tree is not letting him go. O claimed over n over that this tree is holding him so tight that despite of his trying he can't free himself! Y understood the message & left immediately with O for to complete his sadhana for God realization! We claim all the time that maya is holding us back but it is not true, we are holding on to maya and that's where the problem is. Nothing is wrong w/maya. Maya is as eternal as God himself but trying to catch hold of shadow is ignorance. As Swamiji has said - holding on requires efforts, letting go doesn't... No need to leave the house, no need to go anywhere, God is present everywhere so do your duty but in God conciousness w/o attachment, that's all. It is that simple. Baba always says - remain compassionately detached. Even though you leave your family & go to jungle, maya will follow you as you are carrying it in your head. humble regards,always at Thy Holy FeetManjula Patel----Dear Sadaks,Thus answered Sri Vyasji, ""Na me bhaktah pransyati? There Lord Krishna asks Arjuna to take a vow that there will never be a downfall of His devotee. He asks Arjuna to take oath !! Because Krishna ( God) can deviate from HIS oath but not from the oath of HIS Bhakta"". I liked to hear from Vyasji though I knew it. Now who is Baktha? Defenition of Baktha?Slowly developing love (Desire for reading divine books, listening recorded divine lectures, meeting and spending time with Saadhus, sitting alone and craving for GOD) is one who is Baktha. Bagavan says, Kamiyartha Baktha, Prema Baktha, Niskama Prema Baktha. Only in Bakthi Marg, Bagavan takes over HIS Bakthas from start (Person who is desiring for GD0). In Sanyasa Marg or in Yog Marg Bagavan remains wittness, because in these 2 Margs Sanyasi or Yogi does have somewhere in a corner of his mind (Without his awareness) that he is Kartha for Sanyas or Yog. Bagavan said in Geetha that Sanyasi or Yogi fails several times before reaching HIM. Example: Sanakathis (Sri Bhramaji Manasa Puthras) fell pray to anger at doors of Vaikunt in cursing Jaya and Vijaya. But in case of Baktha behaving with Krodh/Kama/Loba etc HE takes care to rectify and make him realize. So many cases are there. Jai Sri krishnaB.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!One more point I want to share on Sathyanarayanji's post on Geeta saying "thatman does attain me in one of several births", so God is already attained butwhen is the question(time factor).If we look closely, that which we really are, Atman-Self-Consciousness nevertakes birth nor dies. Our ignorance as desires, latent tendencies-vaasanasacquired while in physical body forms subtle body(sanskaras) and it merges withcosmic subtle body or mass karmas of all beings upon death. It gets recycledthrough another body and ignorance continues its journey further until itrealizes its true nature in some human birth. So that which we truly are nevertakes re-birth. Thus by the time one realizes many births may have gone, butonly in ignorance, like in a dream! This is what I think Krishnaji may havemeant.Upon realizing Atman how does it matter how many births have gone? Again we saythis to emphasize the immediacy of the Realization. From the point of view ofmind, time is there, but time has not played any part in realization.How can it, it is not real. It is a simplistic and pragmatic assumptions. Evenan hour by clock time is experienced differently by different people, some findit too long when perceived boring, some find it too quick when perceivedinteresting! Time which is of Maya is flowing, and can never be experienced bymind. Thus what we call NOW is not mind's experience, it is mind's concept ofzero duration! Like in a dream we can experience whole life in few minutes, butupon waking up, there was no reality! So by saying it takes several births torealize we don't convey any value to those on the path of inquiry, on thecontrary it discourages.Besides, several births are only almost zero second to God, whose Grace bestowsRealization to those who are in fit to receive in His judgment!

Namaskar.............Pratap Bhatt------------------------Dear sadaks,Sri Vyasji has given nice explanation to my query BG 9:31- Na me bhaktahpransyati? Thank you.B.Sathyanarayan------------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Dear Sathyanarayanji, please accept my pranaam, you need not beg pardon! we areonly exchanging our understanding! Let us be in the spirit of oneness as yousaid and freely exchange!Let me do the best I can to clarify. "Does Maya bind us or we are binded byMaya. That is, "is Maya making us to be bonded or are we getting ourselves intoMaya", you asked.Maya binds us as long as we don't inquire who we truly ARE! We consider us asbody-mind limited entity and it continues as long as we allow it to gounchecked! We do have freedom for this inquiry! We can be free of suchignorance, and stop Maya at individual level. However, if we don't exercise thisfreedom in this birth, we continue to live in ignorance of Maya! So, Maya haspower only if we give it to! Maya stays away from True Bhaktas you give examplesof many times! Those bent on inquiry are Bhaktas of TRUTH!Maya also refers to illusion at cosmic level, is universal for all of us! Forexample, rainbow is illusion in the sense seven colors are seen as magnificentbow(of Rama as some say) just from rain water and sunlight, or mirrage seen indesert etc etc. Even when we know the truth we continue to see Rainbow andmirrages, however, it cannot bind us anymore, on the contrary it is joy all theway.Stories in our puranas are to emphasize the importance of stepping out of Maya,and some dramatization always help in such stories. Narada has this big ego ofwinning Maya, so, he was fooled is one such example!When we look at the world and take objects as real, not knowing it as Ishwara,its reality, it is due to Maya principle, it is said. It means, Maya is not aproblem, but to consider it REAL is the ignorance! If Maya can end, it isappearance and not permanent, that which appears but is not, Permanent is THATwhich never ceases to be. BG 2:16.Namaskar...............Pratap Bhatt

 

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Shri HariI belong to God -I accepted it first of all. One could see who has gyan & othercould not see who has agyan. I and my-ness is main obstacle which i finddifficult to conquer to get peace(Gita 2.71). I am trying as sadhak.Ram Rampawan singhal------------------

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Thank you all for your insights and co-operation. On having satsang withdevotees of Swamiji in Vrindavan (Shri Nawal Ram ji and consulting ShriRameshji Maharaj by telephone), I learned the following -

Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind's nature to bein constant search. Search of worldly matters and things or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically divert from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.

Jai Sri Krishnapawan singhal

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Hari Om

It is so divine to read message of Catherine to Sadhaks. Nothing more needs tobe done. Nothing more needs to be known. Nothing more needs to be got. Such isthe power in what she is practicing. You have caught the nerve of Satsanga-Sadhika Catherine. My pranaams to you.

Sathyanarainji ! Are you referring Sir to BG 9:31- Na me bhaktah pransyati?There Lord Krishna asks Arjuna to take a vow that there will never be a downfallof His devotee. He asks Arjuna to take oath !! Because Krishna ( God) candeviate fron His oath but not from the oath of His Bhakta, viz Arjuna. It is aguarantee of highest order by Paramatma to the Sadhaks. If you turn towards Me ,you shall never fall thereafter ! Krishna had, before Mahabharat War had takenan oath that he shall not lift weapon in the war. When Bheesma Pitamah knew,then he took the oath that I will make Krishna lift the weapon. Krishna forgotabout His oath and ensured that Bhishma Pitamah's oath is protected and liftedthe wheel of a broken Ratha ( chariot) and ran after Bhisma. . Such is the God,Dear Sadhaks.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Dear Sathyanarayanji, you need not beg pardon. We are exchanging ourunderstanding on this wisdom platform! God is really playing by being us in ourroles, I am sure of this as you are! I am not attached to what I share withsadhakas, and never insist it is the only truth!It has and is helping me to go deep within to feel the hidden, invisiblePresence and put few words around it as if finger is pointing at Moon. Just asfinger cannot touch the moon, mind cannot conceive the Presence, SELF! This maysound like bad news. but the good news is: since Self is already what "I" is,ever attained! So "I" cannot attain "SELF", just as eyes cannot see eyes even asthey see everything. The Grace points to the eyes "my dear, the fact that yousee everything is the proof of your Being more than what you see, so stopsearching and just be!". The eyes heed and realize, not that they will seethemselves ever, but the need to see themselves disappear altogether! Mind ispointed the same truth "you cannot see God separate from you, You ARE IT!It is the same here, all attempts to attain Paramatman by "me", non existententity, stops. Then all notions, beliefs which are images in the mind of Godbeing separate from "me" drop away in this Realization!In that Realization, mind becomes quiet, peaceful on its own in which Glimpse ofAtman is natural. So, I don't entertain any ideas about separate God right atthe outset, not wait for Realization to happen!This is what I understand by Paramatman is already attained! Vasudeva Sarvamfrom the beginning!

Unfortunately mind comes back and claims that Glimpse(of God) to be his ownexperience, not realizing that it was absent when Glimpse was Present. Kabirjiputs this as "Either Hari or "me", both cannot be present on the path ofLOVE"(Prem gali ati sankari, tame na samay do................).The Grace by the way, takes the guise of Swamiji or like him or scripture ordevotion or Satsang with spiritual friends like thhis forum.So why don't we realize now? Realization is like glimpses, like lightening,flashes here and flashes there, in time frame from the point of mind, but notdue to time really! When someone realizes SELF, it has nothing to do withelapsed time, because suppose if the same one didn't realize then also timewould have elapsed, right? So time is not the independent variable in theequation at all, only understanding brings it! Understanding means Devotion orSelf-less Karmas or any combinations, but finally only Grace will do it! You canonly go to the Gateless Gate and wait, and the doors open when God wants it!This is the reason Saints say that you do sadhana, and in time You will realize.Time is just a thought which references a point in the past and thought arise inus such as "oh, it took 5 years to realize or change" etc etc. No one canexperience the time in chronological way(it is running river), we experienceonly interveals of time as thoughts only. Thought is psychological time,thoughts creates time(and space too)! see for yourself.Few more clarifications later!Namaskar.........Pratap Bhatt--\------

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I am devotee of God and have never had doubts of his existence. I attain Godthis way. I put in different places little post it notes, Please do not let meforget You even for a moment, I say He Naath, He Mere Naath, I think on Bagwaan,Paramatma and Vasudev Sarvam all times. I use prayer of Oh Father let me neverforget you even for a moment, oh Compassionate One, let Your sweet memory bealways with me.Oh kind hearted my Father, my Master there is no one else, let menot forget you even in my dreams,while walking, eating, sleeping let me onlythink of You.In whatever I do let me always think of You.Your sweet, sweetmemories ever remain.Please grace me with this remembrance.. whatever work thatis being done yet in my heart, in my mind there is only God. Please I lie atyour lotus feet entreating let not even a moment pass without me rememberingyou, let me think of you every second, HE NAATH HE MERE NAATH Let me neverforget, let me remember all times...

catherine

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Hari Om

Pawanji. Why you should consider some thing to be difficult to conquer? What isthe difficulty?

What is yours? A thing/body over which you have no independent control , canthat be yours? By what yardstick you consider some thing/body to be yours? Athing/body which was not yours in the past, not going to be yours in the future,at present also it is constantly drifting away from you, how that thing can beyours? Where is the difficulty in understanding this simple fact?

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B---Dear sadaks,I first beg pardon from Sri Pratabji. Sri Pratabji, Sri Vyasji, Sri Mikeji, andall those NAMES mentioned by Sri Vyasji are one of Paramathuma` s and notdifferant. Only names divides to produce sounds. Sri Pratabji, it is not me whoimplied on you. Where is you or me? We are one and the same as said by you.Sri Pratabji you have answered in your posting. That is, ""We make suchstatements as "until you realize Self or Paramatman, you are in Maya, bondage!But I say until you choose to remain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" Iknew you will precisely answer and only in that sense I requested you.One more clarification from sadaks on the above line,""until you choose toremain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" Does Maya bind us or we arebinded by Maya. That is, "is Maya making us to be bonded or are we gettingourselves into Maya" Some sadak has written about Naradhji getting monkey facebecause he said he won Maya. Maya has played with Paramathuma when HE decendedto earth as Badrinarayana, and with Bagavan Shiva and Maya lost & went back inshame.""Swamiji means what he said "Paramatman is already attained", is a statement offact we need to discover for ourselves!"" promtly said by SriPratabjiBagavan said in Geetha that line, ""Aneka Samshidayah-------". That man doesattain me in one of the several births."" which means that man alreadyattained, but when is the question (Time factor).Dear Sadaks, kindly enlighten me on the line starting with ""Name Baktha-----""said in Geetha. Please be precise in answer with a story example if possible.Namaste to Sri Pratabji and all other sadaks.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan

 

 

--------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear sadak, (pawan singhal )Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind nature to be inconstant search. Search of worldly matters and things/ Or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically diverse from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan--------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Sri Pratab Bhatt says, To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delaying salvation" or he maynot even need to ask. God would know all true Bhaktas' heartfelt desires formerging in Him."" But Swamiji saidGoswamiji has said `Lord, give me your devotion and free me of desires, angerand faults'. Only `Give me your devotion as that alone will suffice.' 3rd March,2009, Tuesday Falgun Shukla Panchami, Vikram Samvat 2065, Mangalvar

Sri Pratab I know he will have answer for SadhaksJai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan------------------------------Dear Sadaks,

Sri Pratabji thus said so is absolutely correct, Thus salvation is what wealready are. If you remember Swamiji says Paramatma is already attained, how canyou attain that which is attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is whatwe are, not we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.

Now the question comes from ordinary men. -1) I am fraud, doing all underhand dealings, I cheat people and bank or evennation, I know how bad I am. Sir, you are telling me that I already attainedParamathuma .2) Politician said, I know what I am doing and Sir you call me I attainedParamathuma. Don’t be kidding.3) Student said, I have to achieve so much in life Sir you say I attainedParamathuma.4) Householder said, I have to get my children married and see that they getsettled, don’t be joking I attained Paramathuma.

What Swamiji said was also correct. Then where came the difference?

Human alone is blessed with such a body and intellect that can discriminate goodand bad, body and the soul, jeeva and paramathuma. Now a boy is told that he isfit to become doctor. He studies hard and gets Degree as a doctor. He did notknow he can become doctor until told. He then studied well and became doctoronly on listening to advisor (Guru). So Swamiji shares the teachings of the Gitaand scriptures saying human has in built capacity and ability to attain God.Which means that one need not fear that he cannot attain GOD, as he has allprovisions to attain God. But human does not know this power within is there.Now take animals they don't have that power to attain God, except in exceptionalcases. Animals have to raise to human level to attain God. Referance; KapilaGeetha told by Bagavan to Deva Hoothi. Even devatas, Indra etc are to take humanbirth and get salvation says Vedas. This valuable life gift (Godliness) isattained, but unaware of the birth of a human birth gift obtained by passingthrough various birth from tree to animals. Misuse this birth and go back to aworm in a dust bin says Vivekachudamani. Narayana Batadri a famous sant ofGuruvayuralso wrote that the human body is invaluable gift, if misused one takesbirth as animals. Referance: Srimath Narayiniyam. Bagavan in Geetha also said,"Aneka Jalma Samshidayaha-----" Gyan is that you now accept that you are in aattained position of Paramathuma. Vig (Scientifically- Science of Creation) isapplied to Gyan and one becomes Vig Gyani where by he can never ever commitmistake after becoming so. A Gyani has committed mistake but Vig Gyani does not.Best Example: Adi Sankara was Gyani but his Gyan was incomplete, until BagavanShiva came in disguise as Chandala with 4 dogs in street of Kasi and gave VigGyan. Referance : Manisha Panchakam.

Sri Pratabji wrote that "Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa. .....Karishyetavachanam.. .."I remember my true Self now Lord, I will do what you say".

So every human needs Sri Krishna. the Guru to say these, then he will say, Iremember my true self until then he is in maya.

Sadaks, body is a vital tool to attain Paramathuma. Bhramaji was jealous inheaven when he saw Sri Krishna eating along with his friends in Vridavan, onefeeding each other. He thought what a gift to be a child in Vrindavan along withSri Krishna. My post is useless. Devas and devathas where still more jealous andit would have best to be a calf or cow there rather than in this Bog lok wastingtime.

Sadaks we are blessed to be in human form on earth to the extent to serve SriKrishna in Pooja, in making Mala, in giving HIM fruits, in prostrating at hisfeet, in singing HIS songs, in seeing HIM blissfully. This NO ONE else in 13Loks can do. Referance : Sants of Panderpur, Shenayi, Chota Mela, Sakubai etc.and also written in Gyanapaana of the great sant who flew to Vaikunt by PuspakaViman in 1650 at Malapuram in public view Sant Sri Poothanam.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------False asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti) Said Sri pawan singhal.How many times happiness came and gone?. How many times unhappiness came andgone? It will come and go, so be aware of this truth.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan

 

-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariI accept Gita 7(19) that God is everywhere and in everything but Ican not realise God due to lack of understanding of Gita 18(48) & false asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti).I am trying to make relationship with self but in vain. Other way isonly to meet the devotee of God in physical form as guided in Gita 4(34). I realise swamiji as Giani -Gita 4(34) & take benefit tillassociation with Him. Now I am trying those benefit through group that is insant satsang. I have already requested tosadhakas of this group but in vain.I believe in association of great soul in physical form to getspiritual guidance as I feel with Swamiji at Rishikesh & Kolkatta.Please assist me to meet divine sadhaka & other realised greatsoul/Giani/devotee of God

pawan singhalRam Ram----------------------------NEW POSTING

Shri HariLonging is by the Self is answer of my question as explained byMeera Das. I request to Sh. Meera Das & all sadhaks please explainHow it will happen? I can only pray to God. I am helpless.Ram Rampawan singhal

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Shree HariRam Ram

Here are simple, clear and very easy words spoken in Hindi bySwamiji -

"Sabse pehle sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hoon. Ek baar saralhriday se dridhta poorvak sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hihoon. Jab aap bhagwaan ke ho to aapko unki smriti ke liye kuch karnahi nahin padega. Aapki har kriya unki pooja hogi."

Meager attempt at translating these simple words -

"First of all, accept that I am Bhagwaan's (I belong to God). Justonce, with a simple, straight forward heart, accept with a firmconviction, that I am only Bhagwaan's (I belong to only God). Whenyou become Bhagwaan's then you will have to do absolutely nothingfor His rememberance. All your activities will become His worship."

Now the Panchamrit (Five Golden Principles) just happens on it'sown -1) I am only God's2) I reside in His kingdom only3) I do His work (good and auspicious) only4) I receive only His prasad (blessing/offering)5) With the prasad received from Him, I serve only His family.

Now what will cause you to forgot Bhagwaan (God)? When you becomesomeone's do you have to remember you belong to them? Do you haveto recite at night I belong to Him, I belong to Him, I belong toHim? Do you have to study to remind yourself, since I belong to myBeloved, I must cook and do other work for Him? Do you have toremind yourself that since I belong to Him, I must take care of Hischildren? and so on?

Become Bhagwaan's (God's) ONLY ONCE !!!! .... says Swamiji... Magicfollows... undoubtedly.

Meera DasRam Ram

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In India we are lucky to have amongst us God realised souls who areshowing others the path to salvation. These gurus by shunningworldly comforts and possessions are showing us the way. Once werealise that every thing that we see is maya or illusion and thatthe only truth is the Soul or Atma within each of us whose only goalis to unite with the Parmatma, we can attain salvation. What we aretoday is the result of our past karmas but we can control what wewill become through through the result of our present karmas. So ifwe follow the right path of sewa or helping others, satsang orseeking the company of good people, sadhna or spiritual practicesand dhyan or meditation to connect with our Soul then we will be onthe right path.Hari Shanker Deo--------------------------

Thank You Narinder Bhandariji. I bow to YOU and The Krishnarejoicing your Rejoice.

Respects.

Naga Narayana----------------------------

Dear Sadaks,One says Salvation/Mukthi is always there. Another point said thatyou that Sat Chit and Anandham. Then why one has to suffer? Becausereason

1) One knows not to tell lies, but says- Mind level.2) One knows drinking alcohol is wrong, but drinks -Body level.3) One knows that he has to Sadhana, but does not do, intellectlevel.

These 3 are called Trikarna Sudhi (Clealiness of body mind andintellect) How to achieve it? By guidance - God/Guru. SalvationMukthi is there, but one is not living in it as the qualities arenot there. A person with eye sight is unable to read. But then heneeds spectacles. So the body, mind and intellect is not in form, itis spoilt. He needs Gyan (Spectacle) to see within (Athuman) hisswaroop.He gets from Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh. Until then he does notrealize that he is easily reachable to God/Salvation/Mukthi. That iswhy without Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh he undergoes birth afterbirth. The man who obtained Gyan knows preyty well that his Swaroopis itself divine and because of curtain of Maya he lost valuablelife time.What is wrong in learning from the saint's teachings? In fact theirteaching are there for one to follow. Otherwise those historiescould not have been written. In fact it is easy to follow a saintpath to reach God faster. Saints showed easy methods that could makeone realize.There were so many disciples who followed the instructions of theirGuru and obtained Mukthi. Example: Sant Ekanath. In Kaliyug it isdifficult for man to read scriptures/Sanskrit Etc and then know thepath. In Srimath Bagavath says in Kaliyug Namasankeerthan is enoughto get liberated. Each yuga Dharma is there in Scripts. If someonetells me easy and quick and fast way to reach Badrinath, what iswrong in following his advise. So are Bakthas who guides us. Just bypresenting a flower Mala daily with faith and love to God a saint(Vishnu Chithar) says it will pave path to Vaikunt. It seems easybut if one tries that somewhere or other he fails in timely pooja orloose a day without, or gets stuck to some business or occupied in afamily function Etc. So sincerity, faith, love towards God settingaside even a great need of family produces realization. Sadaks, manyof us go temple say certain day Friday/Saterday. How punctual are we?

Hiranyakasipu and Prahald had argument where is GOD. Prahald said HEis everywhere. His father asked is HE in this pillar. Prahaladsays, "Drusyate" (Yes I see God). His father says "Nah Durshyate" (Ican not see HIM). Why? One has Gyan the other has Agyan. ThoughParamathuma there , one could see and other could not see. Most ofus are still in Agyan. Here Guru was Prahalad who showed GOd andHiranyakasipu obtained Mukthi.

Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------

PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam Ram

Dear Pawanji, Swamiji has said that such experience of the presenceof God, the rememberance of God, your Beloved One by truesentiments, is only possible by one's own Self. Not by mind/intellect and not by trying to remember. It is only when thislonging is by the Self, that it happens on it's own simply,naturally, and involuntarily (Swabhavik). Swamiji says this is soinnate that it happens even in one's sleep. Rather it happensnaturally all the time. Intense attachment and longing for God -round the clock. It is not about "doing" but simply "being". Itsimply and naturally "IS". Absolutely nothing has to be done toremember our Beloved One.

Just like when our Beloved is going to arrive by train, and we havenot seen him for a long time and we are waiting at the railwaystation for Him, and we feel the anxiety, the longing - When will myBeloved come? When will I see Him? How much longer will it be beforeour eyes meet? This anticipation, this longing is so intense thatone simply cannot wait even a moment. It is consuming ! Just thatone thought.. when will I see my Beloved!

Just like when we are intensely thirsty and are consumed with thethought of a sip of water. Do you have such enthusiasm? Such drive?Such Zeal? Such Intensity? Such Sentiments to meet Your Beloved One,God? - asks Swamiji

Meera DasRam Ram

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Krishna and His song

The Heart,

In longing pain

Cries out

Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!

The Soul rejoices.

 

The Mind

In love's ecstasy

Bows at the feet of the Beloved

The Soul rejoices.

 

And Krishna smiles,

The flute rising to his lips.

Ah! The symphony of the soundless sound,

Where

The seven disappear into the Light of lights

Where

Time disappears into Timelessness

 

And

The Heart,

In longing's pain

Keeps Crying out

Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!

And

Thence comes the Lords song of songs

The Bhagavad geetha, ah !

To assuage the hearts pain

And, the Minds thirst for Knowledge, and Light

aum

narinder bhandari

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Hari Om

Pawanji ! You have received sterling in sights in response to yourQs, the last one from Mira Dassji. Truth and only truth is there inher last message to you. If you just "accept" with a simple heartwhat she has so eloquently recommended to you, your search gets overeffortlessly, then and there !! Where can Paramatma hide when youstart with goal of BG 7:19? Can ice hidden behind ice ever remainhidden?

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B------------------------------Dear Sadhak,Why think to achieve salvation at the "end" ? It cannot be a futuregoal. It is HERE and NOW as stated by sadhak Narinderji.Only effort needed is to be present Here and Now with a deep longingto reach HIM. Now is the eternity zone. All spiritual practices likebreath control, name chanting, mala japa etc leads sadhak to remainin present moment.The whole world is nothing but an illusion, a web of our thinkingmind. When a sadhak practices living in here and now, he is out ofthe grip of his thinking mind and all doing becomes happenings."Sarva Dharma Paritjya, mamekam sharanam vrij"Gitaji. when sadhaksurrender to Krishna, he accept every moment As IT IS and remainssubmerged in the ocean of Love, Bliss and Peace.with Love,a sadhikaSadhna Karigar

Shri HariI am asking question due to my nature-Gita 5(14) & Gita 2(7) butbefore Gita 18(73) & because I know the truth-everything belongs toBhagwan, the essence, I say this but I do not believe the truth, theessence as i say in prayer written by Swami Shri RamsukhdasjiMaharaj.Meera Das & Pratap Bhatt has explained after Gita 18(73)Ram Ram------------------------------

 

-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam Ram

Swamiji incessantly, relentlessly, persistently spokeabout "Vasudeva Sarvam"(All is God) in the final years in His mortal body. He repeated thismany times- PLEASE READ CAREFUL AND ACCEPT IMMEDIATELY! If there is noquestions ordoubts, then PLEASE ACCEPT RIGHT NOW!

Swamiji said -Whatever is perceived with mind, speech, sight and other senses isonly God.Accept this immediately. The active, inactive, conscious, matter,[born of egg,sweat and sprouting from earth] - all are God and nothing else. Goodor bad,wicked or virtuous, all are God. There is nothing else besides God.He whowishes to attain God should accept this fact. As Shri JaydayaljiGoyandka usedto say that "Whatever is seen is God's divine form and whatever isexperiencedand activities undertaken is His divine play/pastime (lila).

If you are very serious about your question, if you believe in Gita4:11 (thathowever a devotee worships Me, so do I approach them) and have anardent andintense longing to find the answer to this question, it does notmatter if it isat the end of life or not, SIMPLY FROM NOW ONWARDS - EVERYTHING YOUSEE ISBHAGWAAN'S SWAROOP (God's Divine Form) AND EVERYTHING YOUEXPERIENCE/DO IS HISLILA (Divine Play/Pastime).

Now if a devotee worship Bhagwaan in this manner, where canBhagwaanji HIDE?Tell me one place he will not be? Tell me how at the end of thislife, end ofthis human body, He will not be there as Yamdoot (God of Death)?Tell me whereyou will need to go searching for this rare Devotee of God by true & heartfeltsentiments? If your sentiments are true and heartfelt, can you notaccept whatGita says and what Swamiji says that Bhagwaan (Vasudeva) iseverywhere, ineverything, in all that you see, think, feel, do, experience andmore, becausethere is only "Vasudeva" and this is clearly stated in the Gita 7:19and throughout the Gita in Chapter 11 and more!

Do you have any further questions or doubts? Please bring them out!

Meera DasRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sri Pawan kumar

I remember the words of a man who is an ardent devotee of SriRamana. He used to say 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVENIF YOU DO NOT THINK OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE.

Please contemplate on that

vrsarma podury

PRIOR POSTINGDear Sadhakas, Namaste!To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delayingsalvation" or he may not even need to ask. God would know all trueBhaktas' heartfelt desires for merging in Him.What I mean is the when you are in love with God, unconditionally,you wouldn't want to make loving Him as a means to the end(salvation). Such love or remembering God constantly is in itselfthe means and end, without duality even though on-lookers may feelBhagwaan and Bhakta as separate.I consider salvation as Moksha or liberation from a false senseof "me", non existent ego and establishment in Atman our true Self.Thus salvation is what we already are. If you remember Swamiji saysParamatma is already attained, how can you attain that whihc isattained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what we are, notwe will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.In attaining anything there is duality of someone who attains andsomething to be attained, not the case here in this Bhakti (lovingdevotion).Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa......Karishye tavachanam...."I remember my true Self now Lord, will do what you say".One lives free of "me" as Sat-Chit-Ananda only.In salavation no individual entity survives, it is livingimpersonally, as Intelligence, Love, Peace, Steadfastness! Karmasare done when needed without doer!Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt------------------------------

Dear Sadhak,I am remember the boon of Kunti in Mahabharat.She requested LordKrishna to keep them in poverty so that she can remember almightyGod.Still however we should keep that spirit and in spite of alltroubles and our condition we should never avoid offering prayers atleast or twice.We should learn as to hoe to prayer.Please refer tomy book on 'Prayers of all Religions of the world. This is what IfeelTruly yours

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

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Sree Pratabji, Kindly bear with me for my mistake. Your goodnesssaid-- say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he havetime to ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living inSalvation?. Baktha is in constant thought of GOD that is why he hasfull time to askGOD why that HE is delaying salvation. Worldly man partly with Godhas time to ask GOD for his desires to be fullfilled one after theother until death. Such man Geetha has said Kamiyartha Baktha, whomGOD gives him long rope fulfilling his desires one after other, GODhoping he will become Jignasu. That hope of GOD is benovolence. Onceagain pardon me if I am wrong and enlighten me.

Salvation is that I thought is attained stage, not living insalvation. Salvation is to be attained and not living in it. Meanstrying for salvation. Once salvation is attained there is nodesires. You are very right Sir.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------

God is available only when we become His and remember His Gloriesand His name many times continuously, then and then we will feel Hispresence within your hearts. He will be seen but his presence willbe felt. This is how Mirabai, Narsinh Mehta and Chaitainya MahaPrabhu realized God.This is what I feel everyday while offering prayers

Truly yoursS S Bhatt

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadak,You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but inVeerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youRproblem ends.B.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explainedby Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh KumarPawan SinghalRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sadhaks ,The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Pathof a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on twodifferent points of time , are given below. Both are related .

In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated asfollows :

1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never havebeen ( and , can never be )otherwise .

2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answersare available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); itis ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be knownat a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available toThe Knower of the Self by Existence .

3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). Itis always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.

4.The sense of Doership disappears .

5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power-----not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......to transform the seeker ).

7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, wewere already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( weshall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is theTest ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basicprinciples shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remainBlissful, and Peaceful .

8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , withthe intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . Theshortest Way.No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition ofones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .

9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way toLight is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but yourwillingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truthof Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It isalready present in YOU, You are already That .

ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )

-------------For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union withthat great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :

1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on thesacred Path of love and Light.

2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personalexperience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable

3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in thatexperience.

4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Graceand yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any morerunning away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. ExistencesPlay , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part ofExistential Play and Doing

5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is theKnowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strivefor Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scripturesspeak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seekingheart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma

6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is tojudge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movementof the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses todie to the self , to realise the Self.

the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.

Narinder bhandari

AUM----------------------------

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previouspost!I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time toask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?

I say this to emphasize "remembering God and not expectinganything", just unconditional love for God goes a long way.No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilationof "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) haveno footing. "me" is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinlysay they are, to pay our respect!Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have differentapproaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired bysuch Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique intheir own way is the proof of different expressions of the sametruth.Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt

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Q: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for AttainingSalvation?

Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are nosentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.Remembering The God is another myth.

Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataractin terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of itshinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of theignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception andexperience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist fortheir approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is sostrong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealedhere!

Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishadsmake it very clear:

Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |

The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such aslistening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of theself-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects aswell as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far asthere is insistence for seeing everything through the lens ofcognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what itsees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmittedmay not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatialboundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The imagesensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien toeach other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality isfutile in the first place.

But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest tobe attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort ofseeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever couldjust escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fearscocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one couldjust drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for everyone!

Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanumswaam ||

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which isThe You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at yourdeath, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT revealsitself within and around.

Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:

Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||

I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannadaequivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefitfrom,

Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.

Grossly, it means,

How can there be a sense of existence without something beingwithin?The being within remains "as is" NOT seeking anything.How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can everattain That?Understand that you can attain the one within by just being withinseeking nothing.

Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strengthwithin to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality inhis revelation on "Bhagavattattva" (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):

1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop AntahKarana (intrinsic awareness).2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innateawareness).3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)

I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in thisregard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar hegenerously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is beingcurrently circulated.

Respects.

Naga Narayana------------------------------Hari Om

Pawanji ! You "become" of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practicea wife "becomes" of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simpleheart: I am of the God, only God is mine.

Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The "karta"(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have becomeGodly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God isthat which "happens" effortlessly and which is not "done" .

Look at the status today. We "have to" think/remember about God,while thinking/remembering about the world "happens automatically".

Why? Because at "subtle ego level" we continue to be of world. Hencethoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the worldonly , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experienceproblems in concentrating.

CHANGE YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" ! Thereuponbhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will "haveto be done"!

As simple as that !

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B------------------------------Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God sothat we can do many good things in life and we will be happy asposting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life withoutinterruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the postingof all sadhakRam Ram

pawan singhal--------------------------------Shree HariRam RamPawanji, kindly post "sixteen powers by God" as separate question.From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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Priy sadhakIn my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in everylittle bit of action happening in & around U.Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?Like breathing.Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.Can U do all this?Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our lifewithout interruption and without any noise. also without showing anyehsan.Doesnt it make u believe & love god?If yes love moreif no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.Sorry if I hurt U.I didnt mean it.thanxRaja Gurdasani------------------------

Dear Sadaks,Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress andasked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songswere Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was withSri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they werehighly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left anatom of thought any part of their life that they are already insalvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is nottracable.But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares forfood. Those great men we recognised them as "Chitta Braman", (metalyhandicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes theywill be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.

B.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Pawan Kumar ji,I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.Love is God.God is Love.Love allServe all.See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who isgiven this blessed Birth.Think GoodSee GoodHear GoodDo Good.

Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , sothank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIScreation.

By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice iswith you but to do this you always need the blessings of thatSupreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path ofsalvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIMto decide.

It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.

One need to have a strong determination and go step by step anddrop by drop you can fill the ocean.

I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any wayWith Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal LoveKAMLESH KUMARHELP EVER HURT NEVERLOVE ALL SERVE ALLHAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAY

Kamlesh Kumar------------------------------

Dear Sadhakas, namaste!Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When "I" whoexpect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to beone and the same, salvation has happened.In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desireanything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,Beauty, Harmony, Joy!Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object ofdesire!when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, "I" alsoend at the same time, not later!See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadak,pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over andif you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, "Aninya Chitayayome", meansconstant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Yourresponsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HISresponsibility takes over.This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE willliberate HIS baktha in same birth.Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, makinggarlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listeningscriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleepand practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lightinglamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walkingaround HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri KrishanayaVasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In allmoments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan

-------------------------------Dear Sadhak,

Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form ofhuman being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 milliondifferent forms of births. If we know we will always remember Himbecause we are obligated to Him

Secondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us somesixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life andwe will be happy.Shankerprasad S Bhatt

----------------------------We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritualpractices will definitely lead us in the right direction.Hari Shanker Deo

-------------------------------SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.See God in All. God in you is the God in All.Serve All.Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing toserve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice isyours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.- "Aninya Chitayayome", means constant thought on ME, that soul I(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha insame birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living inSalvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruptionand without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we areeternally obligated to Bhagwaan- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed.- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannotwithold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptionalreality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty inrealizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.Remain "as is" NOT seeking anything. Simply be!Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsicawareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti toremain in The Tattva … The Absolute- Become of "Paramatma", then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'has become of God. Our problem is that at "subtle ego level" wecontinue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.Change YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" !- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditionallove for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) leadto anhilation of "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger,jealousy, etc) have no footing.- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.- living in the present, Now and here.- sense of Doership disappears- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.- Words become Fewer- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. MinimumDiscussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone'sBeing ( SEE 1 Above ),- and finally... drop all Knowledge- longing for God is Existence Gift- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to theself , torealise the Self. when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.- 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINKOF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE

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I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments which is rarebut is somewhere -Gita 7(19).

God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4(11). Mymessage is how can I think of God & remember God by true sentiments so that ican get salvation at the end at least as per Gita 8(5).

pawan kumar singhalRam Ram-------------------------------NEW POSTING

In response to question below by Mr. Nandu Kother:Bhagavan tell us, indeed He exhorts us, in Bhagavad Gita:"This true wisdom I have taught will lead you to immortality. The faithful practice it with devotion, taking me for their highest aim. To me they surrender heart and mind. They are exceedingly dear to me." (Geeta 12:20) We don' t pray for results, we don't act for rewards (Geeta 2:47), because we will not be rewarded or bestowed with gifts depending on how much we pray or do our duty.Whatever thou doest, whatever thou eatest, whatever thou offerest in sacrifice, whatever thou givest away, whatever austerity thou practisest, O son of Kunti, do that as an offering unto Me. Thus shalt thou be freed from the bondages of actions, bearing good and evil results: with the heart steadfast in the Yoga of renunciation, and liberated, thou shalt come unto Me. Geeta 9:27/28If we depend on rewards or results as a consequence of praying then we are totally incompatible with Geeta 2:47 and Geeta 12:40. It is up to Bhagavan to reward us. Leave it up to Him. Just pray, do your duty, and forget about rewards and results. Surrender heart and mind to Bhagavan and He will take care of us.Fix thy mind on Me only, place thy intellect in Me: (then) thou shalt no doubt live in Me hereafter.Geeta 12:8Nothing about rewards and results, because it is not about results or rewards: there is only one ideal: liberation of the spirit (moksha). Nothing else can be a motive. The mind must be focused on the single purpose: freedom in union with the Divine. Many types of actions may be engaged in and many "goals" may be aimed for or achieved. Yet, to the yogi they are nothing in themselves. The final result alone matters and alone is ever before his inner eye. Fill thy mind with Me, be My devotee, sacrifice unto Me, bow down to Me; thus having made thy heart steadfast in Me, taking Me as the Supreme Goal, thou shalt come to Me. Geeta 9:34Occupy thy mind with Me, be devoted to Me, sacrifice to Me, bow down to Me. Thou shalt reach Myself; truly do I promise unto thee, (for) thou art dear to Me. Geeta 18:65

We are conditioned to think in terms of doing things, of action, as a way to get rewards and results. But we must change that mindset and focus on union with the Divine. "Thou shalt reach Myself"; "Thou shalt come to Me"; "Thou shalt no doubt live in Me hereafter."; "liberated, thou shalt come unto Me."Hari Om, Krishna S. Narinedath2--47 in Bhagwad Gita, explains that we do duty and do not look for results.Why do ppl pray to God then? Is it for Salvation, to get Moksha, to get His Blessings? Isn't this wanting results from the act of being devoted?

Regards,

Nanda

TAD VISNOH PARAMAM PADAM (Rg Veda 1.22.20)

 

 

Nandu Kother

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Dear Sadaks,Very nice of Sri Vyasji saying, ""The all Divine Krishna, the owner of all Universes, used to dance on the tunes of Gopis so that Gopis may give Him a cup of butter milk !!"" Yes Sir the cup of buttermilk is with faith and abundant love on Sri Krishna. Here the buttermilk is the matter at all. When for a moment Radha thought that she lucky as Sri Krishna is carrying her on HIS shoulders, she was dropped suddenly and Sri Krishna disaapeared. HE sees only faith and love, not any materialistic.A small real story of Vridhavan during Kasi Batt days (much after Sri Krishna left) And during Sri Hari Doss time. The Butt was doing Sat Sangh near Vridhavan on Sri Bagavath. He realized that there was 2 thieves among the crouwd daily. He thought that when he gets Sanman may be these thives will rob him. To divert them, he spoke in speach that there are 2 boys Krishna and Balram, walking on Yamuna river bed with plenty of Jewels daily even in these days. The thieves took faith in it and sat the whole night on Yamuna River bed. Really 2 children came and the thieves bounced on them. The thieves seeing the children closly in that night was so amazed with their beauty and looks fell at the children feet. The children gave their jewels and disaapeared. The thieves next day came to Mr.Batt and handed over the Jewels and pleaded trhe Butt to tell them how they can see the children again in exchange of the costly jewels. Butt immensily in tears said, you 2 are real bakthas than me though I tell Bagavath for last 20 years.Similar instance recent day really happened. Swamy Thygaraja was being carried by palanquin and escorted by guards. Suddenly at fall of dawn, the escorts said some thieves were behind. Thygaraja asked why. Then they said that without his knowledge there is gold coins in Palanquin which was given as Sanman without his persmission. Thygaraj said throw them away. Escorts said it for Sri Rama Navami Utsav. Then Thygaraj said then it is property of Sri Ram, be relaxed. Next day morning few thieves came fell at Thyagaraj feet and requested to show the 2 special guards who attacked them. Enquiry revealed that the 2 beautuiful looking guards with bow and arrow  was sending arrows at them to protect Thygaraja, and the arrows when touched their flesh gave them great unknown anandh. It was never before experience to them, as such they requested to show the 2 guards. Swamy Thygaraj fell at the feet of thieves.Swamy Ramsukhdasji's speech about bakthas can be felt here.

Jai Sri KrishnaB.SathyanarayanÂ

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Hari Om

Nandaji ! Why do people pray? Because God is our own. With whom can we share our status except God? He only is ours. God looks not at what we ask from Him. He looks at our "mineness" with Him. Hence, there is nothing wrong in your requesting God, loving Him, offering prayers and even demanding from Him.

TAAHI AHEER KI CHHOKARIYAAN , CHULLU BHARI CHHAS PE NAACH NACHAAWAT !

The all Divine Krishna, the owner of all Universes, used to dance on the tunes of Gopis so that Gopis may give Him a cup of butter milk !!

Association with such a Paramatma in any form, with any motive is divine.

There are 4 types of Bhaktas. One- Artharthi (Seeker of material things/pleasures) Two- Aarta (Seeker of relief from sorrows/pains) Three- Jigyaasu (Curious) Four- Jnani (Lover). All four pray and should pray.

Hence there is virtue everywhere and there are no contradictions. You are free always to associate yourself with Him in any manner you want. 'Karma' has relationship with world and gives worldly results. Prayers to Paramatma are not 'Karmas' but 'Upasana'. Hence 2:48 there is not applicable, because it talks about 'karmas'- worldly Karmas !

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

 

 

Pothi pad pad jag mua pandit bhaya na koi

Dhaai aakhar prem ka pade so pandit hoi.

 

Why waste so much energy in long & boring un perceivable explanations? Why Why Why?

Why not love God?

 

Raja Gurdasani

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Dear Sadaks,Sri Vyasji said, ""Harischandra experienced one night as 12 years. Lavana experienced a 100 years of life through one night !"" Yes Sir you are right in one aspect. That is the mind amplifies time one night to 12 years or 100 years when mind attached to sorrow or pleasure. Seperation from beloved is for want (Desire) for her/his company. Similarly sorrow of Harishchandra. In both the cases ONE night is One night 12 hours stricktly by Dharma of earth rotation. It does not rotate faster or slower for anybody except for Sants or Maha Pathivartha. Instance behind that sadaks know.Sri Manjulaji cow cat story is true. It depicts attachment as yogi level. From desire comes all attachment. The instinct of desire Bagavan gave can be totally used to attain HIM. Thus the desire becomes atrtachment to BagavanOne had a beautiful, loving, dutiful wife. His attachment with object of beauty,(Physical form) her love (metal form) duty (intellect form as intellect always respects duty). He is very happy which turns as sorrow. How? If she is sick. If she is late. If she is attacked by some one by means of abuses etc. This happiness plays dual role, sorrow and pleasure.Few minutes of her late from marketing makes mind tense and time seem to be hard Sadaks Sat Sangh with Swami Ramsukhdasji of 2 hours or so goes as few minutes. Few minutes of joint family time goes slowly. Totally the time is fixed and same. It is mind.In Sri Ramayan in one place Sri rama says, ""Oh my dear Sita, I can bring back kingdom, bring back resort were we spent time in Jungle, anything for that matter. But the time 10 months I spent suffering your seperation when you wrere in Lanka,, I (Sri Rama) cannot bring back"".

Sadaks I am not clear in one point.

 

Please clarify. When Sri rama can give Jatayu (Bird) Moksh, When HE can give Moksh to Saint Sarabanger, What made HIM put up to show that HE was searching Mother Sita. HE had such high conscience level and ability to know anything or give anything, like HE gave crown of Lanka to Sri Vibusha much before War. HE knew time and space.There is a concept and a very valuable moral behind it. When Bhramaji approaches Sri Vishnu at Vaikunt to report of Hiranyakashipu's atrocities, Bagavan says, time is not ripe. So many saints were told of their departure from earth in advance mentioing time. Example: Thyagaraja in south India at last days he bangs his head on pedal in front of Sri Rama to take him to heaven. Sri Rama appeared and said wait until certain day and Mugurth. Accordingly Sri Rama took him on the dot of time and date.Another instance Sir, Nakula/Sahadev was called by Duryodhan to fix time and day to wage war against Pandavas, and claim success. He fixes 3rd day to No Moon day. Sri Krishna does terpan on river side one day before No moon day. Duryodhan coming know this that Sri Krishna choose No moon day as to day and suspected Nakula or Sahadev (Sadaks tell who was it) and changes the date of war. Sadaks Paramathuma sticks to day/time though HE is creator, to show that we respect the prakurthi (Nature)Please bear with me for wrong comment if I have sentNamasteJai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan

 

 

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Hari Om

Vasudev Sathyanarainji, Sir!

Believe me I did not mean that there is no progression/transfer from one birth to another of spiritual pursuits/achievements. We all experienced that in the beginning. There are provisions in Gita too re: a sadhak starting from where he left in last human life and definiteness of next birth as human once you have turned sadhak or become 'yoga-bhrashta' or even lifted Holy Gita ( perhaps slight exaggeration). But then the 'object fixation' and "intensity of desire" for God Realisation can always be maximum in any human life and at any time.

Maya- It reduces reality to unreality immediately or pure being to living being instantly. This is an error, Sathyanarainji, relating to reality and unreality. Because of that, it is described as illusion (maya).

Time- Thought alone, Sir, is described by the name space or time, because, under the influence of that thought space and time have arrived at existence.

Therefore, as this appearance of the creation of the world is just an illusion ( Maya), so is this manifestation of a moment or an aeon, ONLY AN ILLUSION. If one obtains the perception of whole of a universal cycle of time in a moment, that aeon exists in the moment alone !! Where is doubt here? Doesn't in a dream a moment becomes an aeon and an aeon a dream? Aeon like is the night of one who is sorrowful and only a moment to one who is delighted. Doesn't one day act like a year to those separated from their mistresses ? (So should be a Sadhak's separation from his Beloved !)

Harischandra experienced one night as 12 years. Lavana experienced a 100 years of life through one night !

Time ... Maya.... Jeeva... Jagat .... Jagdish !!

Jai Shree Krishna

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Loving Divine,Pranam.This is to clarify Sathyanarayanji's point... "Maya accompanies us (we cannot carry it) even to Jungle." Maya does not, can not accompany us, I as jivaatmaa associate myself with Maya using mind-intellect. Pardon my ignorance but this is what I understand - yes, Maya is as eternal as God to an ignorant, it is every where even in jungle. A story follows of a saint living in Jungle whose loin cloth was cut by a rat, gets a cat to protect it. To feed milk to the cat, gets a cow, to feed the cow..., etc. etc. The attachment of jiva, the unfulfilled desires of jiva, the ignorance of jiva, associates itself falsely with so called Maya/illusion and it/he/she errs and this illusion is felt by mind, that's why the word "head" used. Your example is perfectly valid because there is desire of sense pleasure aroused... But I believe in the same Bhagvatam(?), the story of Sage Sukdevji is present. Sage Vyasji's son Sukadevji was sent to Rajarshi Janakji. Janakji being a King had used excessive Maya spread all over on the path way of Sukdevji but he was so detached, his heart so pure, his mind so engrossed & one pointed, that he even didn't notice Maya to be around!!! His mind-intellect, thus head, was not in Maya. Hope, the point I was trying to make is clear.humble regards,always at Thy Holy FeetManjula Patel---------------

who is

VASUDEVA SARVAM

His was the Giving

His the Recieving

He , verily , was the recieving and the giving !!

AUM

THE JOY OF GIVING

This moment NOW, which IS

The awareness, which is it’s womb

The two, which are not two

I gift to you

In loving you

In the one-ness of Knowing and Being

I gift this moment to you

For my own joy

I gift this moment to you

Even though knowing

That One-ness

LoveIs

Your Gift to me.

 

THE JOY OF RECIEVING

The Storm rising in my heart, Beloved

Is but a bubble in the silence

The great silence that You are

It is my joy, this tempest

Your gift to me in Time and Space

A joy, because

You

Choose to reveal to me

Your own Being

The Eternity of Now

And the Infinity of Here

Ever rising, ever dying in the Silence

The Silence

Which Is

Which just Is.

The Silence, wherein arise

A million bubbles only to sleep forever

In it’s embrace;

their oblivion an ode to their love for their Being....

SILENCE.

Narinder Bhandari

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Pranaams. 2--47 in Bhagwad Gita, explains that we do duty and do not look for results.Why do ppl pray to God then? Is it for Salvation, to get Moksha, to get His Blessings? Isn't this wanting results from the act of being devoted?

Regards,NandaTAD VISNOH PARAMAM PADAM (Rg Veda 1.22.20) Nandu Kother--------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!My Pranaam to shri Sathyanarayanji. I appreciate his quest for knowledge as well as his wealth of Knowledge.Time is Maya and Maya is time at cosmic level. That which is not but appears to be is Maya. Actually it is planetary movements, and that too in cyclical nature that provide us a basis for measurement of day, week, year, or milleniums. But time is man created by thinking a thought creating past or future, not now. Now cannot be mind's thought, so now is eternity due to no time dimension. Useful as it is, time is conceptual, practical convention.When you say time makes cricket watching possible, it is not time but desire to watch. One's spouse may not watch while one watches during the same hour by the clock. That means time is personal and subjective that allows many different activities for all people based on likings, so it cannot be universal. Notice also that if India is winning and you are Indian, then you wouldn't even feel there is "you watching", and there is time, long or short, But if the other team is winning, it is the longest, boring, and uncomfortable hours, all due to ego. Actually ego is put together by time as bunch of "my thoughts" in mind.This shows when ego is temporarily lost in a game or entertainment, there is no experience of time and no experiencer!Time doesn't affect anything, but we notice a duration of time elapsed when a change is noticed by "thinking a thought".Actually anything we experience is always a past recalling in now. when we see a dog in the moment, by the time we say dog, that moment of initial perception is gone. This is just as we see sunlight on earth 8 seconds later. When realization happens in some birth, Realized says I was always Realized, never not-realized! I regained my memory! When such remembrance happens, we don't notice anything but time duration by again thinking a thought. Realization happens in NOW, not in time!Time and space are not reality in themselves but trick of Natkhat - God, Consciousness so we can experience separate objects, and get lost in them and play leela as long as we like and when tired of playing, we come home we never left, for a cookie and glass of milk!Namaskar.................. Pratap Bhatt

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beloved sadhakas of love divine,

the One word synonymous with salvation is ACCEPTANCE

acceptance of the Lord's Will

the realisation sudden

that you nare NOT a Doer, nor ever was unto Doing

all was happenning as it must

in accordance with the Joy and Will of HIM

who is

VASUDEVA SARVAM

His was the Giving ; His the Recieving

He , verily , was the recieving and the giving !!

AUM

Narinder Bhandari

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Hari Om

"Bahunajanmananate" referred in BG 7:19 need be taken to mean this present human life only- as per Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj also. It is logical and in conformity with many other verses of Holy Gita say 9:30/31 etc. The human life is a special life which is exclusively given only for God Realisation. There, thus, can not be any provision for continuation of bondage, if a sadhak is firm in his determination.

Obstacle, as beautifully pointed out by Miraji Dass is simply worldly desires. It is a matter of a minute , if you are desireless. In any case, the disconnection with world is always certain and connection with God permanent. Jeeva merely needs to realise this fact, and before world leaves him, he needs to leave the mineness with the world. Saints have said:

Santa mil salaa kari, divi jagat ne pooth !

Peechhe dekha jaawata, to pahale hi betho rooth !!

Saints discussed, and then turned their back towards the world. They saw the world going away later, and hence they disconnected with it, before world leaves them!

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

 

An Ode to Dharma

GRACE

Lovingly you turned your glance towards me

Was I worthy? I know not Lord,

But now, it is the Light in Your Eyes that fills me with worth

And my whole being vibrates with a joy Unknown, Your Gift, Your Grace.

The heart sings the song of silence, the limbs dance the Dance of stillness

Knowing and Doing are no more, Not-knowing and Not-doing become the creed

In awe I tremble, the senses smile in surrender

The wave is no more, The Ocean is at peace.

AUM

narinder bhandari

------------------------------- Sri Vyasji said, "How TIME comes in between ? by doing Karma with attachment. ". As sri Pratabji said, "one has freedom to decide" yes, When wrongly decided to worldly matter, time plays it` s role of extending jeeva travel (From one birth to another). " What poor time has got to do with it?", time does so many things. It makes to watch cricket match for hours, it makes one realize his mistakes. Even realized one have to wait for time for leaving this body. Buddha, Jesus, Sri Krishna all waited for time to be ripe for any action. Sri Krishna knew HIS parents in Jail. HE came at appropriate time, when Kans good palas were exhausted. Jesus knew HIS death and said will arise after 3 days (time). "TIME has already turned in our favour as we got human birth.", said Vyasji. Yes he knew the value of human birth. But how many know the value? Many are still in Rat race for money, fame etc. Here again the time comes in some birth when one realizes Who is he. Bagavath Geetha says that Bagavan will put a soul in a suitable place, to a suitable parents, suitable guru and sat sangh, suitable environment where that Jeeva will experience divines and ultimately reach HIM. It is time factor that one himself choose by his Karmas. If any one human realizes that time is in his favour, he renounces and until such time he remains ignorant. Why he is in ignorance is because he has to under go happiness/sorrow, that are to his credit. During this travel of Jeeva over births, one time or other it comes across divine lectures, sat sangh, good company teaching him about God. Then from there the Jeeva develops bakthi (devotion and worship) towards Paramathuma and there after Bagavan looks after the Jeeva as said above.

" Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya". As far I think NO one wants maya or bondage. But most normal man remains in bondage due to Maya. " we only can leave it." Yes we all want to leave Maya it does not go, but keeps on torturing us. Why? Here come Bagavans saying, Kamayesu, Krodhayeshu Etc. Practice to abstain from these 6 bad gunas, the Maya goes by itself. " Who else accepted it?" definitely NO one wants Maya near and ready to accept. But it sticks to us due to 6 Bad Gunas. Maya and 6 bad gunas Bagavan says is two sides of the same coin. Gunas go-- Maya goes. Again Gunas comes based on Karmas. Ex: Bishmaji father went behind a boat man daughter. Sri Krishna says to Vasudev and Devaki on being born, that they were earlier Prisni and Suthapa when HE first born to them. Next to Kasyapa and Adithi as second birth as Sri Vamana (WHO measured whole universe.) The third as Sri Krishna to Vasudev and Devaki. HE alone unbound by time can say this about HIS 3 births. We are time bound by Karmas. Again Bagavan says in Geetha, "Janma Karma Chame Divyam-------Maamethi Soo Arjuna". What does it mean? HE knows cause and effect, but HE is unattached to cause and effect. But we are not.

" Maya means- that which does not exist" said so. Maya does exist not in matter form by in substratum conscience level. It takes over each and every human until desires collapses. "" When Self exists and Maya does not exist, the deliberation has to begin and end with Self only."" Said so. The SELF and Maya are no way connected. If SELF realized Maya dissolves. If SELF yet to be known the Maya stays. ""The renunciation has to be by us."" Said So. Asks all sadaks in this forum, they are ready for renunciation. But How is the question. Now or later. After retirement or before. Before settling family issues or just leave it now. These are common questions common man asks. Because his Karma Pala is still there to serve his family, serve as politician to amass wealth, serve to get fame Etc. It goes only by Namasankeethan says Srimath Bagavath as Sri Krishna sits in IT.

Manjula said, "It is that simple. Baba always says - remain compassionately detached. Even though you leave your family & go to jungle, maya will follow you as you are carrying it in your head.". Maya accompanies us (we cannot carry it) even to Jungle. True: Like the Sanyas sat under water in penance for days, but on seeing the fishes matting, left his sanyas and got married to so many woman and at the end he thought what for all this. Referance Srimath Bagavath.Sri Pratabji descriptions of Maya was well said.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan---------------

Loving Divine,Pranam.Meeraji thank you so much, so beautiful, you always bring more closeness to Swamiji's teachings.humble regards,always at Thy Divine FeetManjula Patel

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Shree HariAs regards Maya- we only accepted the affinity with inert. We- means Self ! Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya - we only can leave it. Very clear reply of Vyas N B on the line of Swamiji is acceptable to me. I will try to accept affinity with God (Gita 15/7).I feel the grace of God(Gita 5/29) on 07.03.2009Ram Rampawan singhal --------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Please bear with me. As Sri Pratabji said that several births discouraging, it is true. Hope to attain realization may reduce or thought futile. But this is not my statement of attaining GOD in several births, but it is Sri Krishna` s in Bagavath Geetha. But in same Bagavath Geetha Sri Krishna also tells that if HE wishes HE can uplift one in the same birth. Contradictory statement of Bagavan. Here sadaks can completely rely upon the second statement of Bagavan and reach HIM straight away. Bagavan has said two methodsof reaching HIM. One right now. Another over several births. Sri Pratabji and Sri Vyasji will explain much better than me to Sadaks.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------Shree Hari Ram Ram Our inner sentiments (Bhaav) drive everything! Also our anubhava (experience/knowledge) tell us everything - the Truth (if we pay attention to it). We are experiencing abhaav (asat, perishability, changing, unreal) all the time, but choose to ignore our anubhava... If we give importance to our experience at this VERY MOMENT, liberation it shall be. Unfortunately, every thing we do is AGAINST our ANUBHAVA. We simply DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT our Anubhava. Gita clearly states - SELF cannot derive pleasure from ASAT (perishable)... yet entire life is dedicated to just doing that alone. (Gita 13:31).

Gita and Swamiji have made this PERFECTLY CLEAR - Till there is desire there is interest in the world. Once the desire goes, the interest goes. Once the interest goes - you become selfless. When you become selfless, your sorrows go, and once your sorrows go - you attain bliss (salvation, realization, benediction, moksha, Truth, God, Beloved, SatChitAnand). Whatever you may call this state. Therefore LEAVE THE DESIRE FOR ASAT. Simply DONOT GO AGAINST YOUR ANUBHAV NO MATTER WHAT, ACCEPT IT AS TRUTH. Where is the DOUBT now?

The recipe is clearly laid out. Simply FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS !!!!

But if you still do not want to follow the directions, continuing to add poison to the ingredients, then simply CALL OUT TO GOD FOR HELP!!! HEY NAATH ! HEY MERE NAATH ! HELP ME !

 

Only we humans have the ability to pay attention and respect our ANUBHAV(experience/knowledge). That is all there is to it!

Meera Das

Ram Ram

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Time is just a thought which references a point in the past, and thought arise in ............

How True , Partap jee, how true ! what to do ....... ah.................... what should poor nari do..............? The natkhat is the Vasudeva Sarvam and Time is only a thought ................ no reality ! how impotent narinder becomes , while Krishna plays and plays ............ ah ! Beloved Krishna

In the game of twoness

You smile as One-ness.

And

In the bliss of one-ness

You dance as two-ness!

 

And, it seems to poor narinder

That

Only Loving is real; You and I false

You are false, Govinda, You are false

You do not exist, nor I

Only Love exists

But even so,

and narinder cannot help loving YOU !

When I say ‘I love You Govinda’, why do you smile?

Love is real

Love alone is real

And

In its mad dance of loving

It chooses to become for one moment

You , The Lord of Lords

And I, Your eternal plaything, your slave, your beloved

Pining and yearning for You

Ecstatically seeking oblivion

In Your look

In Your smile

In your touch.

 

Ah, Krishna ! You are NOT fair !

AUM

narinder

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Ah, my friends, once narinder ventured to ask Krishna what Love is, and how to love God, who is Love !

"O Beloved,….. Love, the mystery, the mystery that you are Beloved, how can it ever be `known'! How can anyone ever know and understand it! Love is Un–knowable! You, my Beloved, are un-knowable. Only you know yourself by yourself… only you reveal to your own Self , the mystery of Love and Loving !"

And........... Thus Spake Krishna

"O narinder…. You can not know Love, but you can be Love, you can only Be. Be that Love. Be love. And, narinder, when you are Love, you `know' Love. You know what Love IS.

Ah ! Narinder, who wish to capture Love in words, let us share a moment … let us become Love, This Moment Now. The love, which is the opposite of `hate' is not what Love is . The love, which embraces hate, which co-exists along with `hate', is Being, is Love .

You can not know love ….. you cannot `do' love…. But you can feel Love. You can be Love. Love is not a `doing'.Love is a happening.Love is not a ' thought'...... thinking. Love is a feeling.

Love is your Being, your whole-ness, your crying need not to withhold anything from anyone, nor inflict anything on anyone.

A million words may be written about love. But if you have not felt it, you have not known it as your own Being-ness---------------you know nothing about Love! And, …. if you have felt it … felt it as your blood, bone and marrow, as your breath and consciousness, as your whole Being, as that, without which, you feel ` not alive'…. Then, narinder, you need no words, no affirmation, no proof, no knowledge…. You need no discussion, no analysis. Love is sufficient unto Love .

Ah ! Narinder…. You are love infinite. Infinite and choiceless; and you are the creator , sustainer and destroyer.Blessed by Love,you create in love. In Love, you sustain, and destroy too… in Love. All your doing, all your knowing , which in truth is of the nature of ` not –doing'… and `not – knowing, is nothing but Love. O nari, what indeed can be said of love! Only Love can know what love is! …….Not I …. not I … not I…. Love is `not I ' And yet, O narinder, Love and I, I and Love, are not –two. I indeed am Love!"

"Thank You, Beloved , thank you for leading Nari to Yourself for understanding of Love," This, now Narinder prays, "O Beloved….. lead me, O Lord, to the presence of those, who have known Love … who are love… who are Krishna … who you are ! Because, Govinda, my heart and soul are scorched by the heat of Love! And the fire can only be extinguished by the ambrosial showers of love from your Bhaktas, who have known Love, who are Love… who you yourself are! "

Jai Krishna, Jai Jai ! AUM

narinder

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Hari Om

Let me reflect upon Vasudev Sathyanarainji's messages as discussed upon by various sadhaks, including by Shri Pratapji. Beautiful brain storming arguments. There are 2 things in substance. One- Bahunaa Janamnaamante (BG 7:19) and another who binds whom? Maya to Purusha or vice versa.

Vasudev Sathyanarainji is absolutely right. Pratapji is also not wrong. Yes after many many births ! After a long long series of lying into various wombs of different species of mothers- one gets ultimately the human life. We all have got it. For all of us this can be the LAST life- God is attained for all of us. We simply have to believe this fact. That is all.The moment you get human life- Paramatma is attained. (Prarabdha pahale racha, peechhe racha shareer- first our object has been finalised, later we got human body) You only have to realise that! Matter ends. In human life only, you can presume He is attained and realise that. (this can be, actually, the 'anta' -last- of all life forms, because the chain started from here only- from a human birth in the past).. Here only you can say - He is attained. NO WHERE ELSE ! There is no question of "when" ! Now !! In this very human birth and always/ever - so long we remain human ! How TIME comes in between ? What poor time has got to do with it? TIME has already turned in our favour as we got human birth.

As regards Maya- we only accepted the affinity with inert. We- means Self ! Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya - we only can leave it. Who else can leave it? Who else accepted it? Maya means- that which does not exist. Self means- that which exists. When Self exists and Maya does not exist, the deliberation has to begin and end with Self only. The acceptance was by us. The renunciation has to be by us. What poor non existent Maya has got anything to do with bondage? Maya has no capacity to bind us. It does not exist. We keep talking/thinking/ relying upon it through mind/time/ignorance type of webs. Where is Maya to bind us? Something must exist at first place to bind us !! Leave shelter of mind- you are free ! Where is bondage thereafter?

Hope the above answers the questions raised and the essence of delibreations. What can be the role of mind or time there?

I have not read full series of arguments (read today only, to the extent trail is there on my BB - full trail is not there). May be I missed something from beginning. Let me know if I have. I will clarify/amend.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Loving Divine,Pranams.In recent post, I started a story - tree is holding me, & left to be told some other time; I think this is a perfect place :-)A guru had 2 disciples - younge (Y) & older (O). Guru: I am going to die soon so tell me what will you do after I am gone. O: I'd continue my search for God following your teachings while remaining brahmachari (celibate). Y: I'd continue my search for God remaining in family as my parents would like. Guru blessed both but called O & requested to keep an eye on Y & died. Few years later O visited Y & was happy to see him doing sadhana while remaining married. Few years passed, O visited Y again, but the picture is different. Y is in the midst of maya with his wife and kids and has almost forgotten God. O reminded him of God & promise given to guru. Y promised to start his sadhana & next time when O comes, to join him in sanyas as his kids would have been settled. Few years later O came back to take Y for sanyas. Y said he can't leave now as his son's wife had delivered a baby (B) & no one takes better care of B then he. Let it grow a little, when B goes to school he will join O. Y understood the problem. Next day early morning Y heard someone is shouting for help. O ran outside, saw that O has hugged a tree tightly & shouting for help claiming that this tree is not letting him go. O claimed over n over that this tree is holding him so tight that despite of his trying he can't free himself! Y understood the message & left immediately with O for to complete his sadhana for God realization! We claim all the time that maya is holding us back but it is not true, we are holding on to maya and that's where the problem is. Nothing is wrong w/maya. Maya is as eternal as God himself but trying to catch hold of shadow is ignorance. As Swamiji has said - holding on requires efforts, letting go doesn't... No need to leave the house, no need to go anywhere, God is present everywhere so do your duty but in God conciousness w/o attachment, that's all. It is that simple. Baba always says - remain compassionately detached. Even though you leave your family & go to jungle, maya will follow you as you are carrying it in your head. humble regards,always at Thy Holy FeetManjula Patel----Dear Sadaks,Thus answered Sri Vyasji, ""Na me bhaktah pransyati? There Lord Krishna asks Arjuna to take a vow that there will never be a downfall of His devotee. He asks Arjuna to take oath !! Because Krishna ( God) can deviate from HIS oath but not from the oath of HIS Bhakta"". I liked to hear from Vyasji though I knew it. Now who is Baktha? Defenition of Baktha?Slowly developing love (Desire for reading divine books, listening recorded divine lectures, meeting and spending time with Saadhus, sitting alone and craving for GOD) is one who is Baktha. Bagavan says, Kamiyartha Baktha, Prema Baktha, Niskama Prema Baktha. Only in Bakthi Marg, Bagavan takes over HIS Bakthas from start (Person who is desiring for GD0). In Sanyasa Marg or in Yog Marg Bagavan remains wittness, because in these 2 Margs Sanyasi or Yogi does have somewhere in a corner of his mind (Without his awareness) that he is Kartha for Sanyas or Yog. Bagavan said in Geetha that Sanyasi or Yogi fails several times before reaching HIM. Example: Sanakathis (Sri Bhramaji Manasa Puthras) fell pray to anger at doors of Vaikunt in cursing Jaya and Vijaya. But in case of Baktha behaving with Krodh/Kama/Loba etc HE takes care to rectify and make him realize. So many cases are there. Jai Sri krishnaB.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!One more point I want to share on Sathyanarayanji's post on Geeta saying "thatman does attain me in one of several births", so God is already attained butwhen is the question(time factor).If we look closely, that which we really are, Atman-Self-Consciousness nevertakes birth nor dies. Our ignorance as desires, latent tendencies-vaasanasacquired while in physical body forms subtle body(sanskaras) and it merges withcosmic subtle body or mass karmas of all beings upon death. It gets recycledthrough another body and ignorance continues its journey further until itrealizes its true nature in some human birth. So that which we truly are nevertakes re-birth. Thus by the time one realizes many births may have gone, butonly in ignorance, like in a dream! This is what I think Krishnaji may havemeant.Upon realizing Atman how does it matter how many births have gone? Again we saythis to emphasize the immediacy of the Realization. From the point of view ofmind, time is there, but time has not played any part in realization.How can it, it is not real. It is a simplistic and pragmatic assumptions. Evenan hour by clock time is experienced differently by different people, some findit too long when perceived boring, some find it too quick when perceivedinteresting! Time which is of Maya is flowing, and can never be experienced bymind. Thus what we call NOW is not mind's experience, it is mind's concept ofzero duration! Like in a dream we can experience whole life in few minutes, butupon waking up, there was no reality! So by saying it takes several births torealize we don't convey any value to those on the path of inquiry, on thecontrary it discourages.Besides, several births are only almost zero second to God, whose Grace bestowsRealization to those who are in fit to receive in His judgment!

Namaskar.............Pratap Bhatt------------------------Dear sadaks,Sri Vyasji has given nice explanation to my query BG 9:31- Na me bhaktahpransyati? Thank you.B.Sathyanarayan------------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Dear Sathyanarayanji, please accept my pranaam, you need not beg pardon! we areonly exchanging our understanding! Let us be in the spirit of oneness as yousaid and freely exchange!Let me do the best I can to clarify. "Does Maya bind us or we are binded byMaya. That is, "is Maya making us to be bonded or are we getting ourselves intoMaya", you asked.Maya binds us as long as we don't inquire who we truly ARE! We consider us asbody-mind limited entity and it continues as long as we allow it to gounchecked! We do have freedom for this inquiry! We can be free of suchignorance, and stop Maya at individual level. However, if we don't exercise thisfreedom in this birth, we continue to live in ignorance of Maya! So, Maya haspower only if we give it to! Maya stays away from True Bhaktas you give examplesof many times! Those bent on inquiry are Bhaktas of TRUTH!Maya also refers to illusion at cosmic level, is universal for all of us! Forexample, rainbow is illusion in the sense seven colors are seen as magnificentbow(of Rama as some say) just from rain water and sunlight, or mirrage seen indesert etc etc. Even when we know the truth we continue to see Rainbow andmirrages, however, it cannot bind us anymore, on the contrary it is joy all theway.Stories in our puranas are to emphasize the importance of stepping out of Maya,and some dramatization always help in such stories. Narada has this big ego ofwinning Maya, so, he was fooled is one such example!When we look at the world and take objects as real, not knowing it as Ishwara,its reality, it is due to Maya principle, it is said. It means, Maya is not aproblem, but to consider it REAL is the ignorance! If Maya can end, it isappearance and not permanent, that which appears but is not, Permanent is THATwhich never ceases to be. BG 2:16.Namaskar...............Pratap Bhatt

 

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Shri HariI belong to God -I accepted it first of all. One could see who has gyan & othercould not see who has agyan. I and my-ness is main obstacle which i finddifficult to conquer to get peace(Gita 2.71). I am trying as sadhak.Ram Rampawan singhal------------------

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Thank you all for your insights and co-operation. On having satsang withdevotees of Swamiji in Vrindavan (Shri Nawal Ram ji and consulting ShriRameshji Maharaj by telephone), I learned the following -

Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind's nature to bein constant search. Search of worldly matters and things or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically divert from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.

Jai Sri Krishnapawan singhal

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Hari Om

It is so divine to read message of Catherine to Sadhaks. Nothing more needs tobe done. Nothing more needs to be known. Nothing more needs to be got. Such isthe power in what she is practicing. You have caught the nerve of Satsanga-Sadhika Catherine. My pranaams to you.

Sathyanarainji ! Are you referring Sir to BG 9:31- Na me bhaktah pransyati?There Lord Krishna asks Arjuna to take a vow that there will never be a downfallof His devotee. He asks Arjuna to take oath !! Because Krishna ( God) candeviate fron His oath but not from the oath of His Bhakta, viz Arjuna. It is aguarantee of highest order by Paramatma to the Sadhaks. If you turn towards Me ,you shall never fall thereafter ! Krishna had, before Mahabharat War had takenan oath that he shall not lift weapon in the war. When Bheesma Pitamah knew,then he took the oath that I will make Krishna lift the weapon. Krishna forgotabout His oath and ensured that Bhishma Pitamah's oath is protected and liftedthe wheel of a broken Ratha ( chariot) and ran after Bhisma. . Such is the God,Dear Sadhaks.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Dear Sathyanarayanji, you need not beg pardon. We are exchanging ourunderstanding on this wisdom platform! God is really playing by being us in ourroles, I am sure of this as you are! I am not attached to what I share withsadhakas, and never insist it is the only truth!It has and is helping me to go deep within to feel the hidden, invisiblePresence and put few words around it as if finger is pointing at Moon. Just asfinger cannot touch the moon, mind cannot conceive the Presence, SELF! This maysound like bad news. but the good news is: since Self is already what "I" is,ever attained! So "I" cannot attain "SELF", just as eyes cannot see eyes even asthey see everything. The Grace points to the eyes "my dear, the fact that yousee everything is the proof of your Being more than what you see, so stopsearching and just be!". The eyes heed and realize, not that they will seethemselves ever, but the need to see themselves disappear altogether! Mind ispointed the same truth "you cannot see God separate from you, You ARE IT!It is the same here, all attempts to attain Paramatman by "me", non existententity, stops. Then all notions, beliefs which are images in the mind of Godbeing separate from "me" drop away in this Realization!In that Realization, mind becomes quiet, peaceful on its own in which Glimpse ofAtman is natural. So, I don't entertain any ideas about separate God right atthe outset, not wait for Realization to happen!This is what I understand by Paramatman is already attained! Vasudeva Sarvamfrom the beginning!

Unfortunately mind comes back and claims that Glimpse(of God) to be his ownexperience, not realizing that it was absent when Glimpse was Present. Kabirjiputs this as "Either Hari or "me", both cannot be present on the path ofLOVE"(Prem gali ati sankari, tame na samay do................).The Grace by the way, takes the guise of Swamiji or like him or scripture ordevotion or Satsang with spiritual friends like thhis forum.So why don't we realize now? Realization is like glimpses, like lightening,flashes here and flashes there, in time frame from the point of mind, but notdue to time really! When someone realizes SELF, it has nothing to do withelapsed time, because suppose if the same one didn't realize then also timewould have elapsed, right? So time is not the independent variable in theequation at all, only understanding brings it! Understanding means Devotion orSelf-less Karmas or any combinations, but finally only Grace will do it! You canonly go to the Gateless Gate and wait, and the doors open when God wants it!This is the reason Saints say that you do sadhana, and in time You will realize.Time is just a thought which references a point in the past and thought arise inus such as "oh, it took 5 years to realize or change" etc etc. No one canexperience the time in chronological way(it is running river), we experienceonly interveals of time as thoughts only. Thought is psychological time,thoughts creates time(and space too)! see for yourself.Few more clarifications later!Namaskar.........Pratap Bhatt--\------

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I am devotee of God and have never had doubts of his existence. I attain Godthis way. I put in different places little post it notes, Please do not let meforget You even for a moment, I say He Naath, He Mere Naath, I think on Bagwaan,Paramatma and Vasudev Sarvam all times. I use prayer of Oh Father let me neverforget you even for a moment, oh Compassionate One, let Your sweet memory bealways with me.Oh kind hearted my Father, my Master there is no one else, let menot forget you even in my dreams,while walking, eating, sleeping let me onlythink of You.In whatever I do let me always think of You.Your sweet, sweetmemories ever remain.Please grace me with this remembrance.. whatever work thatis being done yet in my heart, in my mind there is only God. Please I lie atyour lotus feet entreating let not even a moment pass without me rememberingyou, let me think of you every second, HE NAATH HE MERE NAATH Let me neverforget, let me remember all times...

catherine

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Hari Om

Pawanji. Why you should consider some thing to be difficult to conquer? What isthe difficulty?

What is yours? A thing/body over which you have no independent control , canthat be yours? By what yardstick you consider some thing/body to be yours? Athing/body which was not yours in the past, not going to be yours in the future,at present also it is constantly drifting away from you, how that thing can beyours? Where is the difficulty in understanding this simple fact?

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B---Dear sadaks,I first beg pardon from Sri Pratabji. Sri Pratabji, Sri Vyasji, Sri Mikeji, andall those NAMES mentioned by Sri Vyasji are one of Paramathuma` s and notdifferant. Only names divides to produce sounds. Sri Pratabji, it is not me whoimplied on you. Where is you or me? We are one and the same as said by you.Sri Pratabji you have answered in your posting. That is, ""We make suchstatements as "until you realize Self or Paramatman, you are in Maya, bondage!But I say until you choose to remain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" Iknew you will precisely answer and only in that sense I requested you.One more clarification from sadaks on the above line,""until you choose toremain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" Does Maya bind us or we arebinded by Maya. That is, "is Maya making us to be bonded or are we gettingourselves into Maya" Some sadak has written about Naradhji getting monkey facebecause he said he won Maya. Maya has played with Paramathuma when HE decendedto earth as Badrinarayana, and with Bagavan Shiva and Maya lost & went back inshame.""Swamiji means what he said "Paramatman is already attained", is a statement offact we need to discover for ourselves!"" promtly said by SriPratabjiBagavan said in Geetha that line, ""Aneka Samshidayah-------". That man doesattain me in one of the several births."" which means that man alreadyattained, but when is the question (Time factor).Dear Sadaks, kindly enlighten me on the line starting with ""Name Baktha-----""said in Geetha. Please be precise in answer with a story example if possible.Namaste to Sri Pratabji and all other sadaks.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan

 

 

--------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear sadak, (pawan singhal )Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind nature to be inconstant search. Search of worldly matters and things/ Or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically diverse from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan--------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Sri Pratab Bhatt says, To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delaying salvation" or he maynot even need to ask. God would know all true Bhaktas' heartfelt desires formerging in Him."" But Swamiji saidGoswamiji has said `Lord, give me your devotion and free me of desires, angerand faults'. Only `Give me your devotion as that alone will suffice.' 3rd March,2009, Tuesday Falgun Shukla Panchami, Vikram Samvat 2065, Mangalvar

Sri Pratab I know he will have answer for SadhaksJai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan------------------------------Dear Sadaks,

Sri Pratabji thus said so is absolutely correct, Thus salvation is what wealready are. If you remember Swamiji says Paramatma is already attained, how canyou attain that which is attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is whatwe are, not we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.

Now the question comes from ordinary men. -1) I am fraud, doing all underhand dealings, I cheat people and bank or evennation, I know how bad I am. Sir, you are telling me that I already attainedParamathuma .2) Politician said, I know what I am doing and Sir you call me I attainedParamathuma. Don’t be kidding.3) Student said, I have to achieve so much in life Sir you say I attainedParamathuma.4) Householder said, I have to get my children married and see that they getsettled, don’t be joking I attained Paramathuma.

What Swamiji said was also correct. Then where came the difference?

Human alone is blessed with such a body and intellect that can discriminate goodand bad, body and the soul, jeeva and paramathuma. Now a boy is told that he isfit to become doctor. He studies hard and gets Degree as a doctor. He did notknow he can become doctor until told. He then studied well and became doctoronly on listening to advisor (Guru). So Swamiji shares the teachings of the Gitaand scriptures saying human has in built capacity and ability to attain God.Which means that one need not fear that he cannot attain GOD, as he has allprovisions to attain God. But human does not know this power within is there.Now take animals they don't have that power to attain God, except in exceptionalcases. Animals have to raise to human level to attain God. Referance; KapilaGeetha told by Bagavan to Deva Hoothi. Even devatas, Indra etc are to take humanbirth and get salvation says Vedas. This valuable life gift (Godliness) isattained, but unaware of the birth of a human birth gift obtained by passingthrough various birth from tree to animals. Misuse this birth and go back to aworm in a dust bin says Vivekachudamani. Narayana Batadri a famous sant ofGuruvayuralso wrote that the human body is invaluable gift, if misused one takesbirth as animals. Referance: Srimath Narayiniyam. Bagavan in Geetha also said,"Aneka Jalma Samshidayaha-----" Gyan is that you now accept that you are in aattained position of Paramathuma. Vig (Scientifically- Science of Creation) isapplied to Gyan and one becomes Vig Gyani where by he can never ever commitmistake after becoming so. A Gyani has committed mistake but Vig Gyani does not.Best Example: Adi Sankara was Gyani but his Gyan was incomplete, until BagavanShiva came in disguise as Chandala with 4 dogs in street of Kasi and gave VigGyan. Referance : Manisha Panchakam.

Sri Pratabji wrote that "Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa. .....Karishyetavachanam.. .."I remember my true Self now Lord, I will do what you say".

So every human needs Sri Krishna. the Guru to say these, then he will say, Iremember my true self until then he is in maya.

Sadaks, body is a vital tool to attain Paramathuma. Bhramaji was jealous inheaven when he saw Sri Krishna eating along with his friends in Vridavan, onefeeding each other. He thought what a gift to be a child in Vrindavan along withSri Krishna. My post is useless. Devas and devathas where still more jealous andit would have best to be a calf or cow there rather than in this Bog lok wastingtime.

Sadaks we are blessed to be in human form on earth to the extent to serve SriKrishna in Pooja, in making Mala, in giving HIM fruits, in prostrating at hisfeet, in singing HIS songs, in seeing HIM blissfully. This NO ONE else in 13Loks can do. Referance : Sants of Panderpur, Shenayi, Chota Mela, Sakubai etc.and also written in Gyanapaana of the great sant who flew to Vaikunt by PuspakaViman in 1650 at Malapuram in public view Sant Sri Poothanam.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------False asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti) Said Sri pawan singhal.How many times happiness came and gone?. How many times unhappiness came andgone? It will come and go, so be aware of this truth.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan

 

-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariI accept Gita 7(19) that God is everywhere and in everything but Ican not realise God due to lack of understanding of Gita 18(48) & false asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti).I am trying to make relationship with self but in vain. Other way isonly to meet the devotee of God in physical form as guided in Gita 4(34). I realise swamiji as Giani -Gita 4(34) & take benefit tillassociation with Him. Now I am trying those benefit through group that is insant satsang. I have already requested tosadhakas of this group but in vain.I believe in association of great soul in physical form to getspiritual guidance as I feel with Swamiji at Rishikesh & Kolkatta.Please assist me to meet divine sadhaka & other realised greatsoul/Giani/devotee of God

pawan singhalRam Ram----------------------------NEW POSTING

Shri HariLonging is by the Self is answer of my question as explained byMeera Das. I request to Sh. Meera Das & all sadhaks please explainHow it will happen? I can only pray to God. I am helpless.Ram Rampawan singhal

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Shree HariRam Ram

Here are simple, clear and very easy words spoken in Hindi bySwamiji -

"Sabse pehle sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hoon. Ek baar saralhriday se dridhta poorvak sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hihoon. Jab aap bhagwaan ke ho to aapko unki smriti ke liye kuch karnahi nahin padega. Aapki har kriya unki pooja hogi."

Meager attempt at translating these simple words -

"First of all, accept that I am Bhagwaan's (I belong to God). Justonce, with a simple, straight forward heart, accept with a firmconviction, that I am only Bhagwaan's (I belong to only God). Whenyou become Bhagwaan's then you will have to do absolutely nothingfor His rememberance. All your activities will become His worship."

Now the Panchamrit (Five Golden Principles) just happens on it'sown -1) I am only God's2) I reside in His kingdom only3) I do His work (good and auspicious) only4) I receive only His prasad (blessing/offering)5) With the prasad received from Him, I serve only His family.

Now what will cause you to forgot Bhagwaan (God)? When you becomesomeone's do you have to remember you belong to them? Do you haveto recite at night I belong to Him, I belong to Him, I belong toHim? Do you have to study to remind yourself, since I belong to myBeloved, I must cook and do other work for Him? Do you have toremind yourself that since I belong to Him, I must take care of Hischildren? and so on?

Become Bhagwaan's (God's) ONLY ONCE !!!! .... says Swamiji... Magicfollows... undoubtedly.

Meera DasRam Ram

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In India we are lucky to have amongst us God realised souls who areshowing others the path to salvation. These gurus by shunningworldly comforts and possessions are showing us the way. Once werealise that every thing that we see is maya or illusion and thatthe only truth is the Soul or Atma within each of us whose only goalis to unite with the Parmatma, we can attain salvation. What we aretoday is the result of our past karmas but we can control what wewill become through through the result of our present karmas. So ifwe follow the right path of sewa or helping others, satsang orseeking the company of good people, sadhna or spiritual practicesand dhyan or meditation to connect with our Soul then we will be onthe right path.Hari Shanker Deo--------------------------

Thank You Narinder Bhandariji. I bow to YOU and The Krishnarejoicing your Rejoice.

Respects.

Naga Narayana----------------------------

Dear Sadaks,One says Salvation/Mukthi is always there. Another point said thatyou that Sat Chit and Anandham. Then why one has to suffer? Becausereason

1) One knows not to tell lies, but says- Mind level.2) One knows drinking alcohol is wrong, but drinks -Body level.3) One knows that he has to Sadhana, but does not do, intellectlevel.

These 3 are called Trikarna Sudhi (Clealiness of body mind andintellect) How to achieve it? By guidance - God/Guru. SalvationMukthi is there, but one is not living in it as the qualities arenot there. A person with eye sight is unable to read. But then heneeds spectacles. So the body, mind and intellect is not in form, itis spoilt. He needs Gyan (Spectacle) to see within (Athuman) hisswaroop.He gets from Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh. Until then he does notrealize that he is easily reachable to God/Salvation/Mukthi. That iswhy without Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh he undergoes birth afterbirth. The man who obtained Gyan knows preyty well that his Swaroopis itself divine and because of curtain of Maya he lost valuablelife time.What is wrong in learning from the saint's teachings? In fact theirteaching are there for one to follow. Otherwise those historiescould not have been written. In fact it is easy to follow a saintpath to reach God faster. Saints showed easy methods that could makeone realize.There were so many disciples who followed the instructions of theirGuru and obtained Mukthi. Example: Sant Ekanath. In Kaliyug it isdifficult for man to read scriptures/Sanskrit Etc and then know thepath. In Srimath Bagavath says in Kaliyug Namasankeerthan is enoughto get liberated. Each yuga Dharma is there in Scripts. If someonetells me easy and quick and fast way to reach Badrinath, what iswrong in following his advise. So are Bakthas who guides us. Just bypresenting a flower Mala daily with faith and love to God a saint(Vishnu Chithar) says it will pave path to Vaikunt. It seems easybut if one tries that somewhere or other he fails in timely pooja orloose a day without, or gets stuck to some business or occupied in afamily function Etc. So sincerity, faith, love towards God settingaside even a great need of family produces realization. Sadaks, manyof us go temple say certain day Friday/Saterday. How punctual are we?

Hiranyakasipu and Prahald had argument where is GOD. Prahald said HEis everywhere. His father asked is HE in this pillar. Prahaladsays, "Drusyate" (Yes I see God). His father says "Nah Durshyate" (Ican not see HIM). Why? One has Gyan the other has Agyan. ThoughParamathuma there , one could see and other could not see. Most ofus are still in Agyan. Here Guru was Prahalad who showed GOd andHiranyakasipu obtained Mukthi.

Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------

PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam Ram

Dear Pawanji, Swamiji has said that such experience of the presenceof God, the rememberance of God, your Beloved One by truesentiments, is only possible by one's own Self. Not by mind/intellect and not by trying to remember. It is only when thislonging is by the Self, that it happens on it's own simply,naturally, and involuntarily (Swabhavik). Swamiji says this is soinnate that it happens even in one's sleep. Rather it happensnaturally all the time. Intense attachment and longing for God -round the clock. It is not about "doing" but simply "being". Itsimply and naturally "IS". Absolutely nothing has to be done toremember our Beloved One.

Just like when our Beloved is going to arrive by train, and we havenot seen him for a long time and we are waiting at the railwaystation for Him, and we feel the anxiety, the longing - When will myBeloved come? When will I see Him? How much longer will it be beforeour eyes meet? This anticipation, this longing is so intense thatone simply cannot wait even a moment. It is consuming ! Just thatone thought.. when will I see my Beloved!

Just like when we are intensely thirsty and are consumed with thethought of a sip of water. Do you have such enthusiasm? Such drive?Such Zeal? Such Intensity? Such Sentiments to meet Your Beloved One,God? - asks Swamiji

Meera DasRam Ram

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Krishna and His song

The Heart,

In longing pain

Cries out

Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!

The Soul rejoices.

 

The Mind

In love's ecstasy

Bows at the feet of the Beloved

The Soul rejoices.

 

And Krishna smiles,

The flute rising to his lips.

Ah! The symphony of the soundless sound,

Where

The seven disappear into the Light of lights

Where

Time disappears into Timelessness

 

And

The Heart,

In longing's pain

Keeps Crying out

Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!

And

Thence comes the Lords song of songs

The Bhagavad geetha, ah !

To assuage the hearts pain

And, the Minds thirst for Knowledge, and Light

aum

narinder bhandari

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Hari Om

Pawanji ! You have received sterling in sights in response to yourQs, the last one from Mira Dassji. Truth and only truth is there inher last message to you. If you just "accept" with a simple heartwhat she has so eloquently recommended to you, your search gets overeffortlessly, then and there !! Where can Paramatma hide when youstart with goal of BG 7:19? Can ice hidden behind ice ever remainhidden?

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B------------------------------Dear Sadhak,Why think to achieve salvation at the "end" ? It cannot be a futuregoal. It is HERE and NOW as stated by sadhak Narinderji.Only effort needed is to be present Here and Now with a deep longingto reach HIM. Now is the eternity zone. All spiritual practices likebreath control, name chanting, mala japa etc leads sadhak to remainin present moment.The whole world is nothing but an illusion, a web of our thinkingmind. When a sadhak practices living in here and now, he is out ofthe grip of his thinking mind and all doing becomes happenings."Sarva Dharma Paritjya, mamekam sharanam vrij"Gitaji. when sadhaksurrender to Krishna, he accept every moment As IT IS and remainssubmerged in the ocean of Love, Bliss and Peace.with Love,a sadhikaSadhna Karigar

Shri HariI am asking question due to my nature-Gita 5(14) & Gita 2(7) butbefore Gita 18(73) & because I know the truth-everything belongs toBhagwan, the essence, I say this but I do not believe the truth, theessence as i say in prayer written by Swami Shri RamsukhdasjiMaharaj.Meera Das & Pratap Bhatt has explained after Gita 18(73)Ram Ram------------------------------

 

-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam Ram

Swamiji incessantly, relentlessly, persistently spokeabout "Vasudeva Sarvam"(All is God) in the final years in His mortal body. He repeated thismany times- PLEASE READ CAREFUL AND ACCEPT IMMEDIATELY! If there is noquestions ordoubts, then PLEASE ACCEPT RIGHT NOW!

Swamiji said -Whatever is perceived with mind, speech, sight and other senses isonly God.Accept this immediately. The active, inactive, conscious, matter,[born of egg,sweat and sprouting from earth] - all are God and nothing else. Goodor bad,wicked or virtuous, all are God. There is nothing else besides God.He whowishes to attain God should accept this fact. As Shri JaydayaljiGoyandka usedto say that "Whatever is seen is God's divine form and whatever isexperiencedand activities undertaken is His divine play/pastime (lila).

If you are very serious about your question, if you believe in Gita4:11 (thathowever a devotee worships Me, so do I approach them) and have anardent andintense longing to find the answer to this question, it does notmatter if it isat the end of life or not, SIMPLY FROM NOW ONWARDS - EVERYTHING YOUSEE ISBHAGWAAN'S SWAROOP (God's Divine Form) AND EVERYTHING YOUEXPERIENCE/DO IS HISLILA (Divine Play/Pastime).

Now if a devotee worship Bhagwaan in this manner, where canBhagwaanji HIDE?Tell me one place he will not be? Tell me how at the end of thislife, end ofthis human body, He will not be there as Yamdoot (God of Death)?Tell me whereyou will need to go searching for this rare Devotee of God by true & heartfeltsentiments? If your sentiments are true and heartfelt, can you notaccept whatGita says and what Swamiji says that Bhagwaan (Vasudeva) iseverywhere, ineverything, in all that you see, think, feel, do, experience andmore, becausethere is only "Vasudeva" and this is clearly stated in the Gita 7:19and throughout the Gita in Chapter 11 and more!

Do you have any further questions or doubts? Please bring them out!

Meera DasRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sri Pawan kumar

I remember the words of a man who is an ardent devotee of SriRamana. He used to say 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVENIF YOU DO NOT THINK OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE.

Please contemplate on that

vrsarma podury

PRIOR POSTINGDear Sadhakas, Namaste!To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delayingsalvation" or he may not even need to ask. God would know all trueBhaktas' heartfelt desires for merging in Him.What I mean is the when you are in love with God, unconditionally,you wouldn't want to make loving Him as a means to the end(salvation). Such love or remembering God constantly is in itselfthe means and end, without duality even though on-lookers may feelBhagwaan and Bhakta as separate.I consider salvation as Moksha or liberation from a false senseof "me", non existent ego and establishment in Atman our true Self.Thus salvation is what we already are. If you remember Swamiji saysParamatma is already attained, how can you attain that whihc isattained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what we are, notwe will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.In attaining anything there is duality of someone who attains andsomething to be attained, not the case here in this Bhakti (lovingdevotion).Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa......Karishye tavachanam...."I remember my true Self now Lord, will do what you say".One lives free of "me" as Sat-Chit-Ananda only.In salavation no individual entity survives, it is livingimpersonally, as Intelligence, Love, Peace, Steadfastness! Karmasare done when needed without doer!Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt------------------------------

Dear Sadhak,I am remember the boon of Kunti in Mahabharat.She requested LordKrishna to keep them in poverty so that she can remember almightyGod.Still however we should keep that spirit and in spite of alltroubles and our condition we should never avoid offering prayers atleast or twice.We should learn as to hoe to prayer.Please refer tomy book on 'Prayers of all Religions of the world. This is what IfeelTruly yours

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

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Sree Pratabji, Kindly bear with me for my mistake. Your goodnesssaid-- say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he havetime to ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living inSalvation?. Baktha is in constant thought of GOD that is why he hasfull time to askGOD why that HE is delaying salvation. Worldly man partly with Godhas time to ask GOD for his desires to be fullfilled one after theother until death. Such man Geetha has said Kamiyartha Baktha, whomGOD gives him long rope fulfilling his desires one after other, GODhoping he will become Jignasu. That hope of GOD is benovolence. Onceagain pardon me if I am wrong and enlighten me.

Salvation is that I thought is attained stage, not living insalvation. Salvation is to be attained and not living in it. Meanstrying for salvation. Once salvation is attained there is nodesires. You are very right Sir.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------

God is available only when we become His and remember His Gloriesand His name many times continuously, then and then we will feel Hispresence within your hearts. He will be seen but his presence willbe felt. This is how Mirabai, Narsinh Mehta and Chaitainya MahaPrabhu realized God.This is what I feel everyday while offering prayers

Truly yoursS S Bhatt

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadak,You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but inVeerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youRproblem ends.B.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explainedby Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh KumarPawan SinghalRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sadhaks ,The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Pathof a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on twodifferent points of time , are given below. Both are related .

In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated asfollows :

1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never havebeen ( and , can never be )otherwise .

2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answersare available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); itis ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be knownat a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available toThe Knower of the Self by Existence .

3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). Itis always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.

4.The sense of Doership disappears .

5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power-----not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......to transform the seeker ).

7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, wewere already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( weshall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is theTest ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basicprinciples shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remainBlissful, and Peaceful .

8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , withthe intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . Theshortest Way.No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition ofones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .

9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way toLight is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but yourwillingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truthof Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It isalready present in YOU, You are already That .

ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )

-------------For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union withthat great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :

1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on thesacred Path of love and Light.

2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personalexperience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable

3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in thatexperience.

4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Graceand yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any morerunning away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. ExistencesPlay , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part ofExistential Play and Doing

5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is theKnowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strivefor Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scripturesspeak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seekingheart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma

6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is tojudge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movementof the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses todie to the self , to realise the Self.

the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.

Narinder bhandari

AUM----------------------------

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previouspost!I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time toask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?

I say this to emphasize "remembering God and not expectinganything", just unconditional love for God goes a long way.No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilationof "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) haveno footing. "me" is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinlysay they are, to pay our respect!Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have differentapproaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired bysuch Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique intheir own way is the proof of different expressions of the sametruth.Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt

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Q: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for AttainingSalvation?

Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are nosentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.Remembering The God is another myth.

Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataractin terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of itshinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of theignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception andexperience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist fortheir approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is sostrong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealedhere!

Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishadsmake it very clear:

Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |

The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such aslistening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of theself-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects aswell as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far asthere is insistence for seeing everything through the lens ofcognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what itsees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmittedmay not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatialboundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The imagesensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien toeach other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality isfutile in the first place.

But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest tobe attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort ofseeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever couldjust escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fearscocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one couldjust drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for everyone!

Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanumswaam ||

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which isThe You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at yourdeath, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT revealsitself within and around.

Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:

Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||

I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannadaequivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefitfrom,

Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.

Grossly, it means,

How can there be a sense of existence without something beingwithin?The being within remains "as is" NOT seeking anything.How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can everattain That?Understand that you can attain the one within by just being withinseeking nothing.

Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strengthwithin to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality inhis revelation on "Bhagavattattva" (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):

1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop AntahKarana (intrinsic awareness).2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innateawareness).3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)

I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in thisregard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar hegenerously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is beingcurrently circulated.

Respects.

Naga Narayana------------------------------Hari Om

Pawanji ! You "become" of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practicea wife "becomes" of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simpleheart: I am of the God, only God is mine.

Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The "karta"(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have becomeGodly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God isthat which "happens" effortlessly and which is not "done" .

Look at the status today. We "have to" think/remember about God,while thinking/remembering about the world "happens automatically".

Why? Because at "subtle ego level" we continue to be of world. Hencethoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the worldonly , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experienceproblems in concentrating.

CHANGE YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" ! Thereuponbhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will "haveto be done"!

As simple as that !

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B------------------------------Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God sothat we can do many good things in life and we will be happy asposting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life withoutinterruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the postingof all sadhakRam Ram

pawan singhal--------------------------------Shree HariRam RamPawanji, kindly post "sixteen powers by God" as separate question.From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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Priy sadhakIn my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in everylittle bit of action happening in & around U.Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?Like breathing.Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.Can U do all this?Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our lifewithout interruption and without any noise. also without showing anyehsan.Doesnt it make u believe & love god?If yes love moreif no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.Sorry if I hurt U.I didnt mean it.thanxRaja Gurdasani------------------------

Dear Sadaks,Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress andasked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songswere Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was withSri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they werehighly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left anatom of thought any part of their life that they are already insalvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is nottracable.But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares forfood. Those great men we recognised them as "Chitta Braman", (metalyhandicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes theywill be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.

B.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Pawan Kumar ji,I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.Love is God.God is Love.Love allServe all.See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who isgiven this blessed Birth.Think GoodSee GoodHear GoodDo Good.

Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , sothank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIScreation.

By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice iswith you but to do this you always need the blessings of thatSupreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path ofsalvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIMto decide.

It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.

One need to have a strong determination and go step by step anddrop by drop you can fill the ocean.

I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any wayWith Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal LoveKAMLESH KUMARHELP EVER HURT NEVERLOVE ALL SERVE ALLHAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAY

Kamlesh Kumar------------------------------

Dear Sadhakas, namaste!Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When "I" whoexpect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to beone and the same, salvation has happened.In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desireanything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,Beauty, Harmony, Joy!Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object ofdesire!when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, "I" alsoend at the same time, not later!See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadak,pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over andif you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, "Aninya Chitayayome", meansconstant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Yourresponsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HISresponsibility takes over.This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE willliberate HIS baktha in same birth.Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, makinggarlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listeningscriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleepand practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lightinglamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walkingaround HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri KrishanayaVasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In allmoments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan

-------------------------------Dear Sadhak,

Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form ofhuman being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 milliondifferent forms of births. If we know we will always remember Himbecause we are obligated to Him

Secondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us somesixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life andwe will be happy.Shankerprasad S Bhatt

----------------------------We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritualpractices will definitely lead us in the right direction.Hari Shanker Deo

-------------------------------SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.See God in All. God in you is the God in All.Serve All.Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing toserve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice isyours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.- "Aninya Chitayayome", means constant thought on ME, that soul I(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha insame birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living inSalvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruptionand without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we areeternally obligated to Bhagwaan- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed.- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannotwithold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptionalreality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty inrealizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.Remain "as is" NOT seeking anything. Simply be!Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsicawareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti toremain in The Tattva … The Absolute- Become of "Paramatma", then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'has become of God. Our problem is that at "subtle ego level" wecontinue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.Change YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" !- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditionallove for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) leadto anhilation of "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger,jealousy, etc) have no footing.- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.- living in the present, Now and here.- sense of Doership disappears- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.- Words become Fewer- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. MinimumDiscussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone'sBeing ( SEE 1 Above ),- and finally... drop all Knowledge- longing for God is Existence Gift- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to theself , torealise the Self. when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.- 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINKOF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE

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I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments which is rarebut is somewhere -Gita 7(19).

God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4(11). Mymessage is how can I think of God & remember God by true sentiments so that ican get salvation at the end at least as per Gita 8(5).

pawan kumar singhalRam Ram-------------------------------NEW POSTING

-Shree Hari-Dear Pawanm,If you contemplate on the latest posting and its commentary of '[bhagavad -Gita-Daily ||-2-49-||', it will hopefully give you the right mindset.I have been following the advice from the learned Sadhaks, they have covered itwell it seems to me.All I can add is, do not keep one eye on Bhagwan, and one eye on the results youare achieving.Reach out from your soul, understand it is HIS GRACE that will guide you home.By whatever way you reach for HIM.With Respect and Divine Love,Mike Keenor

 

 

 

 

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In response to question below by Mr. Nandu Kother:Bhagavan tell us, indeed He exhorts us, in Bhagavad Gita:

"This true wisdom I have taught will lead you to immortality. The faithful practice it with devotion, taking me for their highest aim. To me they surrender heart and mind. They are exceedingly dear to me." (Geeta 12:20)

We don' t pray for results, we don't act for rewards (Geeta 2:47), because we will not be rewarded or bestowed with gifts depending on how much we pray or do our duty.

Whatever thou doest, whatever thou eatest, whatever thou offerest in sacrifice, whatever thou givest away, whatever austerity thou practisest, O son of Kunti, do that as an offering unto Me. Thus shalt thou be freed from the bondages of actions, bearing good and evil results: with the heart steadfast in the Yoga of renunciation, and liberated, thou shalt come unto Me. Geeta 9:27/28

If we depend on rewards or results as a consequence of praying then we are totally incompatible with Geeta 2:47 and Geeta 12:40. It is up to Bhagavan to reward us. Leave it up to Him. Just pray, do your duty, and forget about rewards and results. Surrender heart and mind to Bhagavan and He will take care of us.

Fix thy mind on Me only, place thy intellect in Me: (then) thou shalt no doubt live in Me hereafter.Geeta 12:8

Nothing about rewards and results, because it is not about results or rewards: there is only one ideal: liberation of the spirit (moksha). Nothing else can be a motive. The mind must be focused on the single purpose: freedom in union with the Divine. Many types of actions may be engaged in and many "goals" may be aimed for or achieved. Yet, to the yogi they are nothing in themselves. The final result alone matters and alone is ever before his inner eye.

Fill thy mind with Me, be My devotee, sacrifice unto Me, bow down to Me; thus having made thy heart steadfast in Me, taking Me as the Supreme Goal, thou shalt come to Me. Geeta 9:34

Occupy thy mind with Me, be devoted to Me, sacrifice to Me, bow down to Me. Thou shalt reach Myself; truly do I promise unto thee, (for) thou art dear to Me. Geeta 18:65

We are conditioned to think in terms of doing things, of action, as a way to get rewards and results. But we must change that mindset and focus on union with the Divine. "Thou shalt reach Myself"; "Thou shalt come to Me"; "Thou shalt no doubt live in Me hereafter."; "liberated, thou shalt come unto Me."

Hari Om, Krishna S. Narinedath

2--47 in Bhagwad Gita, explains that we do duty and do not look for results.Why do ppl pray to God then? Is it for Salvation, to get Moksha, to get His Blessings? Isn't this wanting results from the act of being devoted?

Regards,Nanda

TAD VISNOH PARAMAM PADAM (Rg Veda 1.22.20) Nandu Kother----------------------------- Dear Sadaks,Very nice of Sri Vyasji saying, ""The all Divine Krishna, the owner of all Universes, used to dance on the tunes of Gopis so that Gopis may give Him a cup of butter milk !!"" Yes Sir the cup of buttermilk is with faith and abundant love on Sri Krishna. Here the buttermilk is the matter at all. When for a moment Radha thought that she lucky as Sri Krishna is carrying her on HIS shoulders, she was dropped suddenly and Sri Krishna disaapeared. HE sees only faith and love, not any materialistic.A small real story of Vridhavan during Kasi Batt days (much after Sri Krishna left) And during Sri Hari Doss time. The Butt was doing Sat Sangh near Vridhavan on Sri Bagavath. He realized that there was 2 thieves among the crouwd daily. He thought that when he gets Sanman may be these thives will rob him. To divert them, he spoke in speach that there are 2 boys Krishna and Balram, walking on Yamuna river bed with plenty of Jewels daily even in these days. The thieves took faith in it and sat the whole night on Yamuna River bed. Really 2 children came and the thieves bounced on them. The thieves seeing the children closly in that night was so amazed with their beauty and looks fell at the children feet. The children gave their jewels and disaapeared. The thieves next day came to Mr.Batt and handed over the Jewels and pleaded trhe Butt to tell them how they can see the children again in exchange of the costly jewels. Butt immensily in tears said, you 2 are real bakthas than me though I tell Bagavath for last 20 years.Similar instance recent day really happened. Swamy Thygaraja was being carried by palanquin and escorted by guards. Suddenly at fall of dawn, the escorts said some thieves were behind. Thygaraja asked why. Then they said that without his knowledge there is gold coins in Palanquin which was given as Sanman without his persmission. Thygaraj said throw them away. Escorts said it for Sri Rama Navami Utsav. Then Thygaraj said then it is property of Sri Ram, be relaxed. Next day morning few thieves came fell at Thyagaraj feet and requested to show the 2 special guards who attacked them. Enquiry revealed that the 2 beautuiful looking guards with bow and arrow  was sending arrows at them to protect Thygaraja, and the arrows when touched their flesh gave them great unknown anandh. It was never before experience to them, as such they requested to show the 2 guards. Swamy Thygaraj fell at the feet of thieves.Swamy Ramsukhdasji's speech about bakthas can be felt here.

Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan -------------------------------

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Hari Om

Nandaji ! Why do people pray? Because God is our own. With whom can we share our status except God? He only is ours. God looks not at what we ask from Him. He looks at our "mineness" with Him. Hence, there is nothing wrong in your requesting God, loving Him, offering prayers and even demanding from Him.

TAAHI AHEER KI CHHOKARIYAAN , CHULLU BHARI CHHAS PE NAACH NACHAAWAT !

The all Divine Krishna, the owner of all Universes, used to dance on the tunes of Gopis so that Gopis may give Him a cup of butter milk !!

Association with such a Paramatma in any form, with any motive is divine.

There are 4 types of Bhaktas. One- Artharthi (Seeker of material things/pleasures) Two- Aarta (Seeker of relief from sorrows/pains) Three- Jigyaasu (Curious) Four- Jnani (Lover). All four pray and should pray.

Hence there is virtue everywhere and there are no contradictions. You are free always to associate yourself with Him in any manner you want. 'Karma' has relationship with world and gives worldly results. Prayers to Paramatma are not 'Karmas' but 'Upasana'. Hence 2:48 there is not applicable, because it talks about 'karmas'- worldly Karmas !

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

 

 

Pothi pad pad jag mua pandit bhaya na koi

Dhaai aakhar prem ka pade so pandit hoi.

 

Why waste so much energy in long & boring un perceivable explanations? Why Why Why?

Why not love God?

 

Raja Gurdasani

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Dear Sadaks,Sri Vyasji said, ""Harischandra experienced one night as 12 years. Lavana experienced a 100 years of life through one night !"" Yes Sir you are right in one aspect. That is the mind amplifies time one night to 12 years or 100 years when mind attached to sorrow or pleasure. Seperation from beloved is for want (Desire) for her/his company. Similarly sorrow of Harishchandra. In both the cases ONE night is One night 12 hours stricktly by Dharma of earth rotation. It does not rotate faster or slower for anybody except for Sants or Maha Pathivartha. Instance behind that sadaks know.Sri Manjulaji cow cat story is true. It depicts attachment as yogi level. From desire comes all attachment. The instinct of desire Bagavan gave can be totally used to attain HIM. Thus the desire becomes atrtachment to BagavanOne had a beautiful, loving, dutiful wife. His attachment with object of beauty,(Physical form) her love (metal form) duty (intellect form as intellect always respects duty). He is very happy which turns as sorrow. How? If she is sick. If she is late. If she is attacked by some one by means of abuses etc. This happiness plays dual role, sorrow and pleasure.Few minutes of her late from marketing makes mind tense and time seem to be hard Sadaks Sat Sangh with Swami Ramsukhdasji of 2 hours or so goes as few minutes. Few minutes of joint family time goes slowly. Totally the time is fixed and same. It is mind.In Sri Ramayan in one place Sri rama says, ""Oh my dear Sita, I can bring back kingdom, bring back resort were we spent time in Jungle, anything for that matter. But the time 10 months I spent suffering your seperation when you wrere in Lanka,, I (Sri Rama) cannot bring back"".

Sadaks I am not clear in one point.

 

Please clarify. When Sri rama can give Jatayu (Bird) Moksh, When HE can give Moksh to Saint Sarabanger, What made HIM put up to show that HE was searching Mother Sita. HE had such high conscience level and ability to know anything or give anything, like HE gave crown of Lanka to Sri Vibusha much before War. HE knew time and space.There is a concept and a very valuable moral behind it. When Bhramaji approaches Sri Vishnu at Vaikunt to report of Hiranyakashipu's atrocities, Bagavan says, time is not ripe. So many saints were told of their departure from earth in advance mentioing time. Example: Thyagaraja in south India at last days he bangs his head on pedal in front of Sri Rama to take him to heaven. Sri Rama appeared and said wait until certain day and Mugurth. Accordingly Sri Rama took him on the dot of time and date.Another instance Sir, Nakula/Sahadev was called by Duryodhan to fix time and day to wage war against Pandavas, and claim success. He fixes 3rd day to No Moon day. Sri Krishna does terpan on river side one day before No moon day. Duryodhan coming know this that Sri Krishna choose No moon day as to day and suspected Nakula or Sahadev (Sadaks tell who was it) and changes the date of war. Sadaks Paramathuma sticks to day/time though HE is creator, to show that we respect the prakurthi (Nature)Please bear with me for wrong comment if I have sentNamasteJai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan

 

 

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Hari Om

Vasudev Sathyanarainji, Sir!

Believe me I did not mean that there is no progression/transfer from one birth to another of spiritual pursuits/achievements. We all experienced that in the beginning. There are provisions in Gita too re: a sadhak starting from where he left in last human life and definiteness of next birth as human once you have turned sadhak or become 'yoga-bhrashta' or even lifted Holy Gita ( perhaps slight exaggeration). But then the 'object fixation' and "intensity of desire" for God Realisation can always be maximum in any human life and at any time.

Maya- It reduces reality to unreality immediately or pure being to living being instantly. This is an error, Sathyanarainji, relating to reality and unreality. Because of that, it is described as illusion (maya).

Time- Thought alone, Sir, is described by the name space or time, because, under the influence of that thought space and time have arrived at existence.

Therefore, as this appearance of the creation of the world is just an illusion ( Maya), so is this manifestation of a moment or an aeon, ONLY AN ILLUSION. If one obtains the perception of whole of a universal cycle of time in a moment, that aeon exists in the moment alone !! Where is doubt here? Doesn't in a dream a moment becomes an aeon and an aeon a dream? Aeon like is the night of one who is sorrowful and only a moment to one who is delighted. Doesn't one day act like a year to those separated from their mistresses ? (So should be a Sadhak's separation from his Beloved !)

Harischandra experienced one night as 12 years. Lavana experienced a 100 years of life through one night !

Time ... Maya.... Jeeva... Jagat .... Jagdish !!

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B--------

Loving Divine,Pranam.This is to clarify Sathyanarayanji's point... "Maya accompanies us (we cannot carry it) even to Jungle." Maya does not, can not accompany us, I as jivaatmaa associate myself with Maya using mind-intellect. Pardon my ignorance but this is what I understand - yes, Maya is as eternal as God to an ignorant, it is every where even in jungle. A story follows of a saint living in Jungle whose loin cloth was cut by a rat, gets a cat to protect it. To feed milk to the cat, gets a cow, to feed the cow..., etc. etc. The attachment of jiva, the unfulfilled desires of jiva, the ignorance of jiva, associates itself falsely with so called Maya/illusion and it/he/she errs and this illusion is felt by mind, that's why the word "head" used. Your example is perfectly valid because there is desire of sense pleasure aroused... But I believe in the same Bhagvatam(?), the story of Sage Sukdevji is present. Sage Vyasji's son Sukadevji was sent to Rajarshi Janakji. Janakji being a King had used excessive Maya spread all over on the path way of Sukdevji but he was so detached, his heart so pure, his mind so engrossed & one pointed, that he even didn't notice Maya to be around!!! His mind-intellect, thus head, was not in Maya. Hope, the point I was trying to make is clear.humble regards,always at Thy Holy FeetManjula Patel---------------

who is

VASUDEVA SARVAM

His was the Giving

His the Recieving

He , verily , was the recieving and the giving !!

AUM

THE JOY OF GIVING

This moment NOW, which IS

The awareness, which is it’s womb

The two, which are not two

I gift to you

In loving you

In the one-ness of Knowing and Being

I gift this moment to you

For my own joy

I gift this moment to you

Even though knowing

That One-ness

LoveIs

Your Gift to me.

 

THE JOY OF RECIEVING

The Storm rising in my heart, Beloved

Is but a bubble in the silence

The great silence that You are

It is my joy, this tempest

Your gift to me in Time and Space

A joy, because

You

Choose to reveal to me

Your own Being

The Eternity of Now

And the Infinity of Here

Ever rising, ever dying in the Silence

The Silence

Which Is

Which just Is.

The Silence, wherein arise

A million bubbles only to sleep forever

In it’s embrace;

their oblivion an ode to their love for their Being....

SILENCE.

Narinder Bhandari

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Pranaams. 2--47 in Bhagwad Gita, explains that we do duty and do not look for results.Why do ppl pray to God then? Is it for Salvation, to get Moksha, to get His Blessings? Isn't this wanting results from the act of being devoted?

Regards,NandaTAD VISNOH PARAMAM PADAM (Rg Veda 1.22.20) Nandu Kother--------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!My Pranaam to shri Sathyanarayanji. I appreciate his quest for knowledge as well as his wealth of Knowledge.Time is Maya and Maya is time at cosmic level. That which is not but appears to be is Maya. Actually it is planetary movements, and that too in cyclical nature that provide us a basis for measurement of day, week, year, or milleniums. But time is man created by thinking a thought creating past or future, not now. Now cannot be mind's thought, so now is eternity due to no time dimension. Useful as it is, time is conceptual, practical convention.When you say time makes cricket watching possible, it is not time but desire to watch. One's spouse may not watch while one watches during the same hour by the clock. That means time is personal and subjective that allows many different activities for all people based on likings, so it cannot be universal. Notice also that if India is winning and you are Indian, then you wouldn't even feel there is "you watching", and there is time, long or short, But if the other team is winning, it is the longest, boring, and uncomfortable hours, all due to ego. Actually ego is put together by time as bunch of "my thoughts" in mind.This shows when ego is temporarily lost in a game or entertainment, there is no experience of time and no experiencer!Time doesn't affect anything, but we notice a duration of time elapsed when a change is noticed by "thinking a thought".Actually anything we experience is always a past recalling in now. when we see a dog in the moment, by the time we say dog, that moment of initial perception is gone. This is just as we see sunlight on earth 8 seconds later. When realization happens in some birth, Realized says I was always Realized, never not-realized! I regained my memory! When such remembrance happens, we don't notice anything but time duration by again thinking a thought. Realization happens in NOW, not in time!Time and space are not reality in themselves but trick of Natkhat - God, Consciousness so we can experience separate objects, and get lost in them and play leela as long as we like and when tired of playing, we come home we never left, for a cookie and glass of milk!Namaskar.................. Pratap Bhatt

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beloved sadhakas of love divine,

the One word synonymous with salvation is ACCEPTANCE

acceptance of the Lord's Will

the realisation sudden

that you nare NOT a Doer, nor ever was unto Doing

all was happenning as it must

in accordance with the Joy and Will of HIM

who is

VASUDEVA SARVAM

His was the Giving ; His the Recieving

He , verily , was the recieving and the giving !!

AUM

Narinder Bhandari

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Hari Om

"Bahunajanmananate" referred in BG 7:19 need be taken to mean this present human life only- as per Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj also. It is logical and in conformity with many other verses of Holy Gita say 9:30/31 etc. The human life is a special life which is exclusively given only for God Realisation. There, thus, can not be any provision for continuation of bondage, if a sadhak is firm in his determination.

Obstacle, as beautifully pointed out by Miraji Dass is simply worldly desires. It is a matter of a minute , if you are desireless. In any case, the disconnection with world is always certain and connection with God permanent. Jeeva merely needs to realise this fact, and before world leaves him, he needs to leave the mineness with the world. Saints have said:

Santa mil salaa kari, divi jagat ne pooth !

Peechhe dekha jaawata, to pahale hi betho rooth !!

Saints discussed, and then turned their back towards the world. They saw the world going away later, and hence they disconnected with it, before world leaves them!

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

 

An Ode to Dharma

GRACE

Lovingly you turned your glance towards me

Was I worthy? I know not Lord,

But now, it is the Light in Your Eyes that fills me with worth

And my whole being vibrates with a joy Unknown, Your Gift, Your Grace.

The heart sings the song of silence, the limbs dance the Dance of stillness

Knowing and Doing are no more, Not-knowing and Not-doing become the creed

In awe I tremble, the senses smile in surrender

The wave is no more, The Ocean is at peace.

AUM

narinder bhandari

------------------------------- Sri Vyasji said, "How TIME comes in between ? by doing Karma with attachment. ". As sri Pratabji said, "one has freedom to decide" yes, When wrongly decided to worldly matter, time plays it` s role of extending jeeva travel (From one birth to another). " What poor time has got to do with it?", time does so many things. It makes to watch cricket match for hours, it makes one realize his mistakes. Even realized one have to wait for time for leaving this body. Buddha, Jesus, Sri Krishna all waited for time to be ripe for any action. Sri Krishna knew HIS parents in Jail. HE came at appropriate time, when Kans good palas were exhausted. Jesus knew HIS death and said will arise after 3 days (time). "TIME has already turned in our favour as we got human birth.", said Vyasji. Yes he knew the value of human birth. But how many know the value? Many are still in Rat race for money, fame etc. Here again the time comes in some birth when one realizes Who is he. Bagavath Geetha says that Bagavan will put a soul in a suitable place, to a suitable parents, suitable guru and sat sangh, suitable environment where that Jeeva will experience divines and ultimately reach HIM. It is time factor that one himself choose by his Karmas. If any one human realizes that time is in his favour, he renounces and until such time he remains ignorant. Why he is in ignorance is because he has to under go happiness/sorrow, that are to his credit. During this travel of Jeeva over births, one time or other it comes across divine lectures, sat sangh, good company teaching him about God. Then from there the Jeeva develops bakthi (devotion and worship) towards Paramathuma and there after Bagavan looks after the Jeeva as said above.

" Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya". As far I think NO one wants maya or bondage. But most normal man remains in bondage due to Maya. " we only can leave it." Yes we all want to leave Maya it does not go, but keeps on torturing us. Why? Here come Bagavans saying, Kamayesu, Krodhayeshu Etc. Practice to abstain from these 6 bad gunas, the Maya goes by itself. " Who else accepted it?" definitely NO one wants Maya near and ready to accept. But it sticks to us due to 6 Bad Gunas. Maya and 6 bad gunas Bagavan says is two sides of the same coin. Gunas go-- Maya goes. Again Gunas comes based on Karmas. Ex: Bishmaji father went behind a boat man daughter. Sri Krishna says to Vasudev and Devaki on being born, that they were earlier Prisni and Suthapa when HE first born to them. Next to Kasyapa and Adithi as second birth as Sri Vamana (WHO measured whole universe.) The third as Sri Krishna to Vasudev and Devaki. HE alone unbound by time can say this about HIS 3 births. We are time bound by Karmas. Again Bagavan says in Geetha, "Janma Karma Chame Divyam-------Maamethi Soo Arjuna". What does it mean? HE knows cause and effect, but HE is unattached to cause and effect. But we are not.

" Maya means- that which does not exist" said so. Maya does exist not in matter form by in substratum conscience level. It takes over each and every human until desires collapses. "" When Self exists and Maya does not exist, the deliberation has to begin and end with Self only."" Said so. The SELF and Maya are no way connected. If SELF realized Maya dissolves. If SELF yet to be known the Maya stays. ""The renunciation has to be by us."" Said So. Asks all sadaks in this forum, they are ready for renunciation. But How is the question. Now or later. After retirement or before. Before settling family issues or just leave it now. These are common questions common man asks. Because his Karma Pala is still there to serve his family, serve as politician to amass wealth, serve to get fame Etc. It goes only by Namasankeethan says Srimath Bagavath as Sri Krishna sits in IT.

Manjula said, "It is that simple. Baba always says - remain compassionately detached. Even though you leave your family & go to jungle, maya will follow you as you are carrying it in your head.". Maya accompanies us (we cannot carry it) even to Jungle. True: Like the Sanyas sat under water in penance for days, but on seeing the fishes matting, left his sanyas and got married to so many woman and at the end he thought what for all this. Referance Srimath Bagavath.Sri Pratabji descriptions of Maya was well said.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan---------------

Loving Divine,Pranam.Meeraji thank you so much, so beautiful, you always bring more closeness to Swamiji's teachings.humble regards,always at Thy Divine FeetManjula Patel

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Shree HariAs regards Maya- we only accepted the affinity with inert. We- means Self ! Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya - we only can leave it. Very clear reply of Vyas N B on the line of Swamiji is acceptable to me. I will try to accept affinity with God (Gita 15/7).I feel the grace of God(Gita 5/29) on 07.03.2009Ram Rampawan singhal --------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Please bear with me. As Sri Pratabji said that several births discouraging, it is true. Hope to attain realization may reduce or thought futile. But this is not my statement of attaining GOD in several births, but it is Sri Krishna` s in Bagavath Geetha. But in same Bagavath Geetha Sri Krishna also tells that if HE wishes HE can uplift one in the same birth. Contradictory statement of Bagavan. Here sadaks can completely rely upon the second statement of Bagavan and reach HIM straight away. Bagavan has said two methodsof reaching HIM. One right now. Another over several births. Sri Pratabji and Sri Vyasji will explain much better than me to Sadaks.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------Shree Hari Ram Ram Our inner sentiments (Bhaav) drive everything! Also our anubhava (experience/knowledge) tell us everything - the Truth (if we pay attention to it). We are experiencing abhaav (asat, perishability, changing, unreal) all the time, but choose to ignore our anubhava... If we give importance to our experience at this VERY MOMENT, liberation it shall be. Unfortunately, every thing we do is AGAINST our ANUBHAVA. We simply DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT our Anubhava. Gita clearly states - SELF cannot derive pleasure from ASAT (perishable)... yet entire life is dedicated to just doing that alone. (Gita 13:31).

Gita and Swamiji have made this PERFECTLY CLEAR - Till there is desire there is interest in the world. Once the desire goes, the interest goes. Once the interest goes - you become selfless. When you become selfless, your sorrows go, and once your sorrows go - you attain bliss (salvation, realization, benediction, moksha, Truth, God, Beloved, SatChitAnand). Whatever you may call this state. Therefore LEAVE THE DESIRE FOR ASAT. Simply DONOT GO AGAINST YOUR ANUBHAV NO MATTER WHAT, ACCEPT IT AS TRUTH. Where is the DOUBT now?

The recipe is clearly laid out. Simply FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS !!!!

But if you still do not want to follow the directions, continuing to add poison to the ingredients, then simply CALL OUT TO GOD FOR HELP!!! HEY NAATH ! HEY MERE NAATH ! HELP ME !

 

Only we humans have the ability to pay attention and respect our ANUBHAV(experience/knowledge). That is all there is to it!

Meera Das

Ram Ram

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Time is just a thought which references a point in the past, and thought arise in ............

How True , Partap jee, how true ! what to do ....... ah.................... what should poor nari do..............? The natkhat is the Vasudeva Sarvam and Time is only a thought ................ no reality ! how impotent narinder becomes , while Krishna plays and plays ............ ah ! Beloved Krishna

In the game of twoness

You smile as One-ness.

And

In the bliss of one-ness

You dance as two-ness!

 

And, it seems to poor narinder

That

Only Loving is real; You and I false

You are false, Govinda, You are false

You do not exist, nor I

Only Love exists

But even so,

and narinder cannot help loving YOU !

When I say ‘I love You Govinda’, why do you smile?

Love is real

Love alone is real

And

In its mad dance of loving

It chooses to become for one moment

You , The Lord of Lords

And I, Your eternal plaything, your slave, your beloved

Pining and yearning for You

Ecstatically seeking oblivion

In Your look

In Your smile

In your touch.

 

Ah, Krishna ! You are NOT fair !

AUM

narinder

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Ah, my friends, once narinder ventured to ask Krishna what Love is, and how to love God, who is Love !

"O Beloved,….. Love, the mystery, the mystery that you are Beloved, how can it ever be `known'! How can anyone ever know and understand it! Love is Un–knowable! You, my Beloved, are un-knowable. Only you know yourself by yourself… only you reveal to your own Self , the mystery of Love and Loving !"

And........... Thus Spake Krishna

"O narinder…. You can not know Love, but you can be Love, you can only Be. Be that Love. Be love. And, narinder, when you are Love, you `know' Love. You know what Love IS.

Ah ! Narinder, who wish to capture Love in words, let us share a moment … let us become Love, This Moment Now. The love, which is the opposite of `hate' is not what Love is . The love, which embraces hate, which co-exists along with `hate', is Being, is Love .

You can not know love ….. you cannot `do' love…. But you can feel Love. You can be Love. Love is not a `doing'.Love is a happening.Love is not a ' thought'...... thinking. Love is a feeling.

Love is your Being, your whole-ness, your crying need not to withhold anything from anyone, nor inflict anything on anyone.

A million words may be written about love. But if you have not felt it, you have not known it as your own Being-ness---------------you know nothing about Love! And, …. if you have felt it … felt it as your blood, bone and marrow, as your breath and consciousness, as your whole Being, as that, without which, you feel ` not alive'…. Then, narinder, you need no words, no affirmation, no proof, no knowledge…. You need no discussion, no analysis. Love is sufficient unto Love .

Ah ! Narinder…. You are love infinite. Infinite and choiceless; and you are the creator , sustainer and destroyer.Blessed by Love,you create in love. In Love, you sustain, and destroy too… in Love. All your doing, all your knowing , which in truth is of the nature of ` not –doing'… and `not – knowing, is nothing but Love. O nari, what indeed can be said of love! Only Love can know what love is! …….Not I …. not I … not I…. Love is `not I ' And yet, O narinder, Love and I, I and Love, are not –two. I indeed am Love!"

"Thank You, Beloved , thank you for leading Nari to Yourself for understanding of Love," This, now Narinder prays, "O Beloved….. lead me, O Lord, to the presence of those, who have known Love … who are love… who are Krishna … who you are ! Because, Govinda, my heart and soul are scorched by the heat of Love! And the fire can only be extinguished by the ambrosial showers of love from your Bhaktas, who have known Love, who are Love… who you yourself are! "

Jai Krishna, Jai Jai ! AUM

narinder

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Hari Om

Let me reflect upon Vasudev Sathyanarainji's messages as discussed upon by various sadhaks, including by Shri Pratapji. Beautiful brain storming arguments. There are 2 things in substance. One- Bahunaa Janamnaamante (BG 7:19) and another who binds whom? Maya to Purusha or vice versa.

Vasudev Sathyanarainji is absolutely right. Pratapji is also not wrong. Yes after many many births ! After a long long series of lying into various wombs of different species of mothers- one gets ultimately the human life. We all have got it. For all of us this can be the LAST life- God is attained for all of us. We simply have to believe this fact. That is all.The moment you get human life- Paramatma is attained. (Prarabdha pahale racha, peechhe racha shareer- first our object has been finalised, later we got human body) You only have to realise that! Matter ends. In human life only, you can presume He is attained and realise that. (this can be, actually, the 'anta' -last- of all life forms, because the chain started from here only- from a human birth in the past).. Here only you can say - He is attained. NO WHERE ELSE ! There is no question of "when" ! Now !! In this very human birth and always/ever - so long we remain human ! How TIME comes in between ? What poor time has got to do with it? TIME has already turned in our favour as we got human birth.

As regards Maya- we only accepted the affinity with inert. We- means Self ! Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya - we only can leave it. Who else can leave it? Who else accepted it? Maya means- that which does not exist. Self means- that which exists. When Self exists and Maya does not exist, the deliberation has to begin and end with Self only. The acceptance was by us. The renunciation has to be by us. What poor non existent Maya has got anything to do with bondage? Maya has no capacity to bind us. It does not exist. We keep talking/thinking/ relying upon it through mind/time/ignorance type of webs. Where is Maya to bind us? Something must exist at first place to bind us !! Leave shelter of mind- you are free ! Where is bondage thereafter?

Hope the above answers the questions raised and the essence of delibreations. What can be the role of mind or time there?

I have not read full series of arguments (read today only, to the extent trail is there on my BB - full trail is not there). May be I missed something from beginning. Let me know if I have. I will clarify/amend.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Loving Divine,Pranams.In recent post, I started a story - tree is holding me, & left to be told some other time; I think this is a perfect place :-)A guru had 2 disciples - younge (Y) & older (O). Guru: I am going to die soon so tell me what will you do after I am gone. O: I'd continue my search for God following your teachings while remaining brahmachari (celibate). Y: I'd continue my search for God remaining in family as my parents would like. Guru blessed both but called O & requested to keep an eye on Y & died. Few years later O visited Y & was happy to see him doing sadhana while remaining married. Few years passed, O visited Y again, but the picture is different. Y is in the midst of maya with his wife and kids and has almost forgotten God. O reminded him of God & promise given to guru. Y promised to start his sadhana & next time when O comes, to join him in sanyas as his kids would have been settled. Few years later O came back to take Y for sanyas. Y said he can't leave now as his son's wife had delivered a baby (B) & no one takes better care of B then he. Let it grow a little, when B goes to school he will join O. Y understood the problem. Next day early morning Y heard someone is shouting for help. O ran outside, saw that O has hugged a tree tightly & shouting for help claiming that this tree is not letting him go. O claimed over n over that this tree is holding him so tight that despite of his trying he can't free himself! Y understood the message & left immediately with O for to complete his sadhana for God realization! We claim all the time that maya is holding us back but it is not true, we are holding on to maya and that's where the problem is. Nothing is wrong w/maya. Maya is as eternal as God himself but trying to catch hold of shadow is ignorance. As Swamiji has said - holding on requires efforts, letting go doesn't... No need to leave the house, no need to go anywhere, God is present everywhere so do your duty but in God conciousness w/o attachment, that's all. It is that simple. Baba always says - remain compassionately detached. Even though you leave your family & go to jungle, maya will follow you as you are carrying it in your head. humble regards,always at Thy Holy FeetManjula Patel----Dear Sadaks,Thus answered Sri Vyasji, ""Na me bhaktah pransyati? There Lord Krishna asks Arjuna to take a vow that there will never be a downfall of His devotee. He asks Arjuna to take oath !! Because Krishna ( God) can deviate from HIS oath but not from the oath of HIS Bhakta"". I liked to hear from Vyasji though I knew it. Now who is Baktha? Defenition of Baktha?Slowly developing love (Desire for reading divine books, listening recorded divine lectures, meeting and spending time with Saadhus, sitting alone and craving for GOD) is one who is Baktha. Bagavan says, Kamiyartha Baktha, Prema Baktha, Niskama Prema Baktha. Only in Bakthi Marg, Bagavan takes over HIS Bakthas from start (Person who is desiring for GD0). In Sanyasa Marg or in Yog Marg Bagavan remains wittness, because in these 2 Margs Sanyasi or Yogi does have somewhere in a corner of his mind (Without his awareness) that he is Kartha for Sanyas or Yog. Bagavan said in Geetha that Sanyasi or Yogi fails several times before reaching HIM. Example: Sanakathis (Sri Bhramaji Manasa Puthras) fell pray to anger at doors of Vaikunt in cursing Jaya and Vijaya. But in case of Baktha behaving with Krodh/Kama/Loba etc HE takes care to rectify and make him realize. So many cases are there. Jai Sri krishnaB.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!One more point I want to share on Sathyanarayanji's post on Geeta saying "thatman does attain me in one of several births", so God is already attained butwhen is the question(time factor).If we look closely, that which we really are, Atman-Self-Consciousness nevertakes birth nor dies. Our ignorance as desires, latent tendencies-vaasanasacquired while in physical body forms subtle body(sanskaras) and it merges withcosmic subtle body or mass karmas of all beings upon death. It gets recycledthrough another body and ignorance continues its journey further until itrealizes its true nature in some human birth. So that which we truly are nevertakes re-birth. Thus by the time one realizes many births may have gone, butonly in ignorance, like in a dream! This is what I think Krishnaji may havemeant.Upon realizing Atman how does it matter how many births have gone? Again we saythis to emphasize the immediacy of the Realization. From the point of view ofmind, time is there, but time has not played any part in realization.How can it, it is not real. It is a simplistic and pragmatic assumptions. Evenan hour by clock time is experienced differently by different people, some findit too long when perceived boring, some find it too quick when perceivedinteresting! Time which is of Maya is flowing, and can never be experienced bymind. Thus what we call NOW is not mind's experience, it is mind's concept ofzero duration! Like in a dream we can experience whole life in few minutes, butupon waking up, there was no reality! So by saying it takes several births torealize we don't convey any value to those on the path of inquiry, on thecontrary it discourages.Besides, several births are only almost zero second to God, whose Grace bestowsRealization to those who are in fit to receive in His judgment!

Namaskar.............Pratap Bhatt------------------------Dear sadaks,Sri Vyasji has given nice explanation to my query BG 9:31- Na me bhaktahpransyati? Thank you.B.Sathyanarayan------------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Dear Sathyanarayanji, please accept my pranaam, you need not beg pardon! we areonly exchanging our understanding! Let us be in the spirit of oneness as yousaid and freely exchange!Let me do the best I can to clarify. "Does Maya bind us or we are binded byMaya. That is, "is Maya making us to be bonded or are we getting ourselves intoMaya", you asked.Maya binds us as long as we don't inquire who we truly ARE! We consider us asbody-mind limited entity and it continues as long as we allow it to gounchecked! We do have freedom for this inquiry! We can be free of suchignorance, and stop Maya at individual level. However, if we don't exercise thisfreedom in this birth, we continue to live in ignorance of Maya! So, Maya haspower only if we give it to! Maya stays away from True Bhaktas you give examplesof many times! Those bent on inquiry are Bhaktas of TRUTH!Maya also refers to illusion at cosmic level, is universal for all of us! Forexample, rainbow is illusion in the sense seven colors are seen as magnificentbow(of Rama as some say) just from rain water and sunlight, or mirrage seen indesert etc etc. Even when we know the truth we continue to see Rainbow andmirrages, however, it cannot bind us anymore, on the contrary it is joy all theway.Stories in our puranas are to emphasize the importance of stepping out of Maya,and some dramatization always help in such stories. Narada has this big ego ofwinning Maya, so, he was fooled is one such example!When we look at the world and take objects as real, not knowing it as Ishwara,its reality, it is due to Maya principle, it is said. It means, Maya is not aproblem, but to consider it REAL is the ignorance! If Maya can end, it isappearance and not permanent, that which appears but is not, Permanent is THATwhich never ceases to be. BG 2:16.Namaskar...............Pratap Bhatt

 

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Shri HariI belong to God -I accepted it first of all. One could see who has gyan & othercould not see who has agyan. I and my-ness is main obstacle which i finddifficult to conquer to get peace(Gita 2.71). I am trying as sadhak.Ram Rampawan singhal------------------

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Thank you all for your insights and co-operation. On having satsang withdevotees of Swamiji in Vrindavan (Shri Nawal Ram ji and consulting ShriRameshji Maharaj by telephone), I learned the following -

Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind's nature to bein constant search. Search of worldly matters and things or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically divert from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.

Jai Sri Krishnapawan singhal

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Hari Om

It is so divine to read message of Catherine to Sadhaks. Nothing more needs tobe done. Nothing more needs to be known. Nothing more needs to be got. Such isthe power in what she is practicing. You have caught the nerve of Satsanga-Sadhika Catherine. My pranaams to you.

Sathyanarainji ! Are you referring Sir to BG 9:31- Na me bhaktah pransyati?There Lord Krishna asks Arjuna to take a vow that there will never be a downfallof His devotee. He asks Arjuna to take oath !! Because Krishna ( God) candeviate fron His oath but not from the oath of His Bhakta, viz Arjuna. It is aguarantee of highest order by Paramatma to the Sadhaks. If you turn towards Me ,you shall never fall thereafter ! Krishna had, before Mahabharat War had takenan oath that he shall not lift weapon in the war. When Bheesma Pitamah knew,then he took the oath that I will make Krishna lift the weapon. Krishna forgotabout His oath and ensured that Bhishma Pitamah's oath is protected and liftedthe wheel of a broken Ratha ( chariot) and ran after Bhisma. . Such is the God,Dear Sadhaks.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Dear Sathyanarayanji, you need not beg pardon. We are exchanging ourunderstanding on this wisdom platform! God is really playing by being us in ourroles, I am sure of this as you are! I am not attached to what I share withsadhakas, and never insist it is the only truth!It has and is helping me to go deep within to feel the hidden, invisiblePresence and put few words around it as if finger is pointing at Moon. Just asfinger cannot touch the moon, mind cannot conceive the Presence, SELF! This maysound like bad news. but the good news is: since Self is already what "I" is,ever attained! So "I" cannot attain "SELF", just as eyes cannot see eyes even asthey see everything. The Grace points to the eyes "my dear, the fact that yousee everything is the proof of your Being more than what you see, so stopsearching and just be!". The eyes heed and realize, not that they will seethemselves ever, but the need to see themselves disappear altogether! Mind ispointed the same truth "you cannot see God separate from you, You ARE IT!It is the same here, all attempts to attain Paramatman by "me", non existententity, stops. Then all notions, beliefs which are images in the mind of Godbeing separate from "me" drop away in this Realization!In that Realization, mind becomes quiet, peaceful on its own in which Glimpse ofAtman is natural. So, I don't entertain any ideas about separate God right atthe outset, not wait for Realization to happen!This is what I understand by Paramatman is already attained! Vasudeva Sarvamfrom the beginning!

Unfortunately mind comes back and claims that Glimpse(of God) to be his ownexperience, not realizing that it was absent when Glimpse was Present. Kabirjiputs this as "Either Hari or "me", both cannot be present on the path ofLOVE"(Prem gali ati sankari, tame na samay do................).The Grace by the way, takes the guise of Swamiji or like him or scripture ordevotion or Satsang with spiritual friends like thhis forum.So why don't we realize now? Realization is like glimpses, like lightening,flashes here and flashes there, in time frame from the point of mind, but notdue to time really! When someone realizes SELF, it has nothing to do withelapsed time, because suppose if the same one didn't realize then also timewould have elapsed, right? So time is not the independent variable in theequation at all, only understanding brings it! Understanding means Devotion orSelf-less Karmas or any combinations, but finally only Grace will do it! You canonly go to the Gateless Gate and wait, and the doors open when God wants it!This is the reason Saints say that you do sadhana, and in time You will realize.Time is just a thought which references a point in the past and thought arise inus such as "oh, it took 5 years to realize or change" etc etc. No one canexperience the time in chronological way(it is running river), we experienceonly interveals of time as thoughts only. Thought is psychological time,thoughts creates time(and space too)! see for yourself.Few more clarifications later!Namaskar.........Pratap Bhatt--\------

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I am devotee of God and have never had doubts of his existence. I attain Godthis way. I put in different places little post it notes, Please do not let meforget You even for a moment, I say He Naath, He Mere Naath, I think on Bagwaan,Paramatma and Vasudev Sarvam all times. I use prayer of Oh Father let me neverforget you even for a moment, oh Compassionate One, let Your sweet memory bealways with me.Oh kind hearted my Father, my Master there is no one else, let menot forget you even in my dreams,while walking, eating, sleeping let me onlythink of You.In whatever I do let me always think of You.Your sweet, sweetmemories ever remain.Please grace me with this remembrance.. whatever work thatis being done yet in my heart, in my mind there is only God. Please I lie atyour lotus feet entreating let not even a moment pass without me rememberingyou, let me think of you every second, HE NAATH HE MERE NAATH Let me neverforget, let me remember all times...

catherine

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Hari Om

Pawanji. Why you should consider some thing to be difficult to conquer? What isthe difficulty?

What is yours? A thing/body over which you have no independent control , canthat be yours? By what yardstick you consider some thing/body to be yours? Athing/body which was not yours in the past, not going to be yours in the future,at present also it is constantly drifting away from you, how that thing can beyours? Where is the difficulty in understanding this simple fact?

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B---Dear sadaks,I first beg pardon from Sri Pratabji. Sri Pratabji, Sri Vyasji, Sri Mikeji, andall those NAMES mentioned by Sri Vyasji are one of Paramathuma` s and notdifferant. Only names divides to produce sounds. Sri Pratabji, it is not me whoimplied on you. Where is you or me? We are one and the same as said by you.Sri Pratabji you have answered in your posting. That is, ""We make suchstatements as "until you realize Self or Paramatman, you are in Maya, bondage!But I say until you choose to remain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" Iknew you will precisely answer and only in that sense I requested you.One more clarification from sadaks on the above line,""until you choose toremain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" Does Maya bind us or we arebinded by Maya. That is, "is Maya making us to be bonded or are we gettingourselves into Maya" Some sadak has written about Naradhji getting monkey facebecause he said he won Maya. Maya has played with Paramathuma when HE decendedto earth as Badrinarayana, and with Bagavan Shiva and Maya lost & went back inshame.""Swamiji means what he said "Paramatman is already attained", is a statement offact we need to discover for ourselves!"" promtly said by SriPratabjiBagavan said in Geetha that line, ""Aneka Samshidayah-------". That man doesattain me in one of the several births."" which means that man alreadyattained, but when is the question (Time factor).Dear Sadaks, kindly enlighten me on the line starting with ""Name Baktha-----""said in Geetha. Please be precise in answer with a story example if possible.Namaste to Sri Pratabji and all other sadaks.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan

 

 

--------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear sadak, (pawan singhal )Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind nature to be inconstant search. Search of worldly matters and things/ Or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically diverse from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan--------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Sri Pratab Bhatt says, To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delaying salvation" or he maynot even need to ask. God would know all true Bhaktas' heartfelt desires formerging in Him."" But Swamiji saidGoswamiji has said `Lord, give me your devotion and free me of desires, angerand faults'. Only `Give me your devotion as that alone will suffice.' 3rd March,2009, Tuesday Falgun Shukla Panchami, Vikram Samvat 2065, Mangalvar

Sri Pratab I know he will have answer for SadhaksJai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan------------------------------Dear Sadaks,

Sri Pratabji thus said so is absolutely correct, Thus salvation is what wealready are. If you remember Swamiji says Paramatma is already attained, how canyou attain that which is attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is whatwe are, not we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.

Now the question comes from ordinary men. -1) I am fraud, doing all underhand dealings, I cheat people and bank or evennation, I know how bad I am. Sir, you are telling me that I already attainedParamathuma .2) Politician said, I know what I am doing and Sir you call me I attainedParamathuma. Don’t be kidding.3) Student said, I have to achieve so much in life Sir you say I attainedParamathuma.4) Householder said, I have to get my children married and see that they getsettled, don’t be joking I attained Paramathuma.

What Swamiji said was also correct. Then where came the difference?

Human alone is blessed with such a body and intellect that can discriminate goodand bad, body and the soul, jeeva and paramathuma. Now a boy is told that he isfit to become doctor. He studies hard and gets Degree as a doctor. He did notknow he can become doctor until told. He then studied well and became doctoronly on listening to advisor (Guru). So Swamiji shares the teachings of the Gitaand scriptures saying human has in built capacity and ability to attain God.Which means that one need not fear that he cannot attain GOD, as he has allprovisions to attain God. But human does not know this power within is there.Now take animals they don't have that power to attain God, except in exceptionalcases. Animals have to raise to human level to attain God. Referance; KapilaGeetha told by Bagavan to Deva Hoothi. Even devatas, Indra etc are to take humanbirth and get salvation says Vedas. This valuable life gift (Godliness) isattained, but unaware of the birth of a human birth gift obtained by passingthrough various birth from tree to animals. Misuse this birth and go back to aworm in a dust bin says Vivekachudamani. Narayana Batadri a famous sant ofGuruvayuralso wrote that the human body is invaluable gift, if misused one takesbirth as animals. Referance: Srimath Narayiniyam. Bagavan in Geetha also said,"Aneka Jalma Samshidayaha-----" Gyan is that you now accept that you are in aattained position of Paramathuma. Vig (Scientifically- Science of Creation) isapplied to Gyan and one becomes Vig Gyani where by he can never ever commitmistake after becoming so. A Gyani has committed mistake but Vig Gyani does not.Best Example: Adi Sankara was Gyani but his Gyan was incomplete, until BagavanShiva came in disguise as Chandala with 4 dogs in street of Kasi and gave VigGyan. Referance : Manisha Panchakam.

Sri Pratabji wrote that "Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa. .....Karishyetavachanam.. .."I remember my true Self now Lord, I will do what you say".

So every human needs Sri Krishna. the Guru to say these, then he will say, Iremember my true self until then he is in maya.

Sadaks, body is a vital tool to attain Paramathuma. Bhramaji was jealous inheaven when he saw Sri Krishna eating along with his friends in Vridavan, onefeeding each other. He thought what a gift to be a child in Vrindavan along withSri Krishna. My post is useless. Devas and devathas where still more jealous andit would have best to be a calf or cow there rather than in this Bog lok wastingtime.

Sadaks we are blessed to be in human form on earth to the extent to serve SriKrishna in Pooja, in making Mala, in giving HIM fruits, in prostrating at hisfeet, in singing HIS songs, in seeing HIM blissfully. This NO ONE else in 13Loks can do. Referance : Sants of Panderpur, Shenayi, Chota Mela, Sakubai etc.and also written in Gyanapaana of the great sant who flew to Vaikunt by PuspakaViman in 1650 at Malapuram in public view Sant Sri Poothanam.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------False asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti) Said Sri pawan singhal.How many times happiness came and gone?. How many times unhappiness came andgone? It will come and go, so be aware of this truth.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan

 

-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariI accept Gita 7(19) that God is everywhere and in everything but Ican not realise God due to lack of understanding of Gita 18(48) & false asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti).I am trying to make relationship with self but in vain. Other way isonly to meet the devotee of God in physical form as guided in Gita 4(34). I realise swamiji as Giani -Gita 4(34) & take benefit tillassociation with Him. Now I am trying those benefit through group that is insant satsang. I have already requested tosadhakas of this group but in vain.I believe in association of great soul in physical form to getspiritual guidance as I feel with Swamiji at Rishikesh & Kolkatta.Please assist me to meet divine sadhaka & other realised greatsoul/Giani/devotee of God

pawan singhalRam Ram----------------------------NEW POSTING

Shri HariLonging is by the Self is answer of my question as explained byMeera Das. I request to Sh. Meera Das & all sadhaks please explainHow it will happen? I can only pray to God. I am helpless.Ram Rampawan singhal

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Shree HariRam Ram

Here are simple, clear and very easy words spoken in Hindi bySwamiji -

"Sabse pehle sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hoon. Ek baar saralhriday se dridhta poorvak sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hihoon. Jab aap bhagwaan ke ho to aapko unki smriti ke liye kuch karnahi nahin padega. Aapki har kriya unki pooja hogi."

Meager attempt at translating these simple words -

"First of all, accept that I am Bhagwaan's (I belong to God). Justonce, with a simple, straight forward heart, accept with a firmconviction, that I am only Bhagwaan's (I belong to only God). Whenyou become Bhagwaan's then you will have to do absolutely nothingfor His rememberance. All your activities will become His worship."

Now the Panchamrit (Five Golden Principles) just happens on it'sown -1) I am only God's2) I reside in His kingdom only3) I do His work (good and auspicious) only4) I receive only His prasad (blessing/offering)5) With the prasad received from Him, I serve only His family.

Now what will cause you to forgot Bhagwaan (God)? When you becomesomeone's do you have to remember you belong to them? Do you haveto recite at night I belong to Him, I belong to Him, I belong toHim? Do you have to study to remind yourself, since I belong to myBeloved, I must cook and do other work for Him? Do you have toremind yourself that since I belong to Him, I must take care of Hischildren? and so on?

Become Bhagwaan's (God's) ONLY ONCE !!!! .... says Swamiji... Magicfollows... undoubtedly.

Meera DasRam Ram

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In India we are lucky to have amongst us God realised souls who areshowing others the path to salvation. These gurus by shunningworldly comforts and possessions are showing us the way. Once werealise that every thing that we see is maya or illusion and thatthe only truth is the Soul or Atma within each of us whose only goalis to unite with the Parmatma, we can attain salvation. What we aretoday is the result of our past karmas but we can control what wewill become through through the result of our present karmas. So ifwe follow the right path of sewa or helping others, satsang orseeking the company of good people, sadhna or spiritual practicesand dhyan or meditation to connect with our Soul then we will be onthe right path.Hari Shanker Deo--------------------------

Thank You Narinder Bhandariji. I bow to YOU and The Krishnarejoicing your Rejoice.

Respects.

Naga Narayana----------------------------

Dear Sadaks,One says Salvation/Mukthi is always there. Another point said thatyou that Sat Chit and Anandham. Then why one has to suffer? Becausereason

1) One knows not to tell lies, but says- Mind level.2) One knows drinking alcohol is wrong, but drinks -Body level.3) One knows that he has to Sadhana, but does not do, intellectlevel.

These 3 are called Trikarna Sudhi (Clealiness of body mind andintellect) How to achieve it? By guidance - God/Guru. SalvationMukthi is there, but one is not living in it as the qualities arenot there. A person with eye sight is unable to read. But then heneeds spectacles. So the body, mind and intellect is not in form, itis spoilt. He needs Gyan (Spectacle) to see within (Athuman) hisswaroop.He gets from Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh. Until then he does notrealize that he is easily reachable to God/Salvation/Mukthi. That iswhy without Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh he undergoes birth afterbirth. The man who obtained Gyan knows preyty well that his Swaroopis itself divine and because of curtain of Maya he lost valuablelife time.What is wrong in learning from the saint's teachings? In fact theirteaching are there for one to follow. Otherwise those historiescould not have been written. In fact it is easy to follow a saintpath to reach God faster. Saints showed easy methods that could makeone realize.There were so many disciples who followed the instructions of theirGuru and obtained Mukthi. Example: Sant Ekanath. In Kaliyug it isdifficult for man to read scriptures/Sanskrit Etc and then know thepath. In Srimath Bagavath says in Kaliyug Namasankeerthan is enoughto get liberated. Each yuga Dharma is there in Scripts. If someonetells me easy and quick and fast way to reach Badrinath, what iswrong in following his advise. So are Bakthas who guides us. Just bypresenting a flower Mala daily with faith and love to God a saint(Vishnu Chithar) says it will pave path to Vaikunt. It seems easybut if one tries that somewhere or other he fails in timely pooja orloose a day without, or gets stuck to some business or occupied in afamily function Etc. So sincerity, faith, love towards God settingaside even a great need of family produces realization. Sadaks, manyof us go temple say certain day Friday/Saterday. How punctual are we?

Hiranyakasipu and Prahald had argument where is GOD. Prahald said HEis everywhere. His father asked is HE in this pillar. Prahaladsays, "Drusyate" (Yes I see God). His father says "Nah Durshyate" (Ican not see HIM). Why? One has Gyan the other has Agyan. ThoughParamathuma there , one could see and other could not see. Most ofus are still in Agyan. Here Guru was Prahalad who showed GOd andHiranyakasipu obtained Mukthi.

Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------

PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam Ram

Dear Pawanji, Swamiji has said that such experience of the presenceof God, the rememberance of God, your Beloved One by truesentiments, is only possible by one's own Self. Not by mind/intellect and not by trying to remember. It is only when thislonging is by the Self, that it happens on it's own simply,naturally, and involuntarily (Swabhavik). Swamiji says this is soinnate that it happens even in one's sleep. Rather it happensnaturally all the time. Intense attachment and longing for God -round the clock. It is not about "doing" but simply "being". Itsimply and naturally "IS". Absolutely nothing has to be done toremember our Beloved One.

Just like when our Beloved is going to arrive by train, and we havenot seen him for a long time and we are waiting at the railwaystation for Him, and we feel the anxiety, the longing - When will myBeloved come? When will I see Him? How much longer will it be beforeour eyes meet? This anticipation, this longing is so intense thatone simply cannot wait even a moment. It is consuming ! Just thatone thought.. when will I see my Beloved!

Just like when we are intensely thirsty and are consumed with thethought of a sip of water. Do you have such enthusiasm? Such drive?Such Zeal? Such Intensity? Such Sentiments to meet Your Beloved One,God? - asks Swamiji

Meera DasRam Ram

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Krishna and His song

The Heart,

In longing pain

Cries out

Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!

The Soul rejoices.

 

The Mind

In love's ecstasy

Bows at the feet of the Beloved

The Soul rejoices.

 

And Krishna smiles,

The flute rising to his lips.

Ah! The symphony of the soundless sound,

Where

The seven disappear into the Light of lights

Where

Time disappears into Timelessness

 

And

The Heart,

In longing's pain

Keeps Crying out

Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!

And

Thence comes the Lords song of songs

The Bhagavad geetha, ah !

To assuage the hearts pain

And, the Minds thirst for Knowledge, and Light

aum

narinder bhandari

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Hari Om

Pawanji ! You have received sterling in sights in response to yourQs, the last one from Mira Dassji. Truth and only truth is there inher last message to you. If you just "accept" with a simple heartwhat she has so eloquently recommended to you, your search gets overeffortlessly, then and there !! Where can Paramatma hide when youstart with goal of BG 7:19? Can ice hidden behind ice ever remainhidden?

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B------------------------------Dear Sadhak,Why think to achieve salvation at the "end" ? It cannot be a futuregoal. It is HERE and NOW as stated by sadhak Narinderji.Only effort needed is to be present Here and Now with a deep longingto reach HIM. Now is the eternity zone. All spiritual practices likebreath control, name chanting, mala japa etc leads sadhak to remainin present moment.The whole world is nothing but an illusion, a web of our thinkingmind. When a sadhak practices living in here and now, he is out ofthe grip of his thinking mind and all doing becomes happenings."Sarva Dharma Paritjya, mamekam sharanam vrij"Gitaji. when sadhaksurrender to Krishna, he accept every moment As IT IS and remainssubmerged in the ocean of Love, Bliss and Peace.with Love,a sadhikaSadhna Karigar

Shri HariI am asking question due to my nature-Gita 5(14) & Gita 2(7) butbefore Gita 18(73) & because I know the truth-everything belongs toBhagwan, the essence, I say this but I do not believe the truth, theessence as i say in prayer written by Swami Shri RamsukhdasjiMaharaj.Meera Das & Pratap Bhatt has explained after Gita 18(73)Ram Ram------------------------------

 

-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam Ram

Swamiji incessantly, relentlessly, persistently spokeabout "Vasudeva Sarvam"(All is God) in the final years in His mortal body. He repeated thismany times- PLEASE READ CAREFUL AND ACCEPT IMMEDIATELY! If there is noquestions ordoubts, then PLEASE ACCEPT RIGHT NOW!

Swamiji said -Whatever is perceived with mind, speech, sight and other senses isonly God.Accept this immediately. The active, inactive, conscious, matter,[born of egg,sweat and sprouting from earth] - all are God and nothing else. Goodor bad,wicked or virtuous, all are God. There is nothing else besides God.He whowishes to attain God should accept this fact. As Shri JaydayaljiGoyandka usedto say that "Whatever is seen is God's divine form and whatever isexperiencedand activities undertaken is His divine play/pastime (lila).

If you are very serious about your question, if you believe in Gita4:11 (thathowever a devotee worships Me, so do I approach them) and have anardent andintense longing to find the answer to this question, it does notmatter if it isat the end of life or not, SIMPLY FROM NOW ONWARDS - EVERYTHING YOUSEE ISBHAGWAAN'S SWAROOP (God's Divine Form) AND EVERYTHING YOUEXPERIENCE/DO IS HISLILA (Divine Play/Pastime).

Now if a devotee worship Bhagwaan in this manner, where canBhagwaanji HIDE?Tell me one place he will not be? Tell me how at the end of thislife, end ofthis human body, He will not be there as Yamdoot (God of Death)?Tell me whereyou will need to go searching for this rare Devotee of God by true & heartfeltsentiments? If your sentiments are true and heartfelt, can you notaccept whatGita says and what Swamiji says that Bhagwaan (Vasudeva) iseverywhere, ineverything, in all that you see, think, feel, do, experience andmore, becausethere is only "Vasudeva" and this is clearly stated in the Gita 7:19and throughout the Gita in Chapter 11 and more!

Do you have any further questions or doubts? Please bring them out!

Meera DasRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sri Pawan kumar

I remember the words of a man who is an ardent devotee of SriRamana. He used to say 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVENIF YOU DO NOT THINK OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE.

Please contemplate on that

vrsarma podury

PRIOR POSTINGDear Sadhakas, Namaste!To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delayingsalvation" or he may not even need to ask. God would know all trueBhaktas' heartfelt desires for merging in Him.What I mean is the when you are in love with God, unconditionally,you wouldn't want to make loving Him as a means to the end(salvation). Such love or remembering God constantly is in itselfthe means and end, without duality even though on-lookers may feelBhagwaan and Bhakta as separate.I consider salvation as Moksha or liberation from a false senseof "me", non existent ego and establishment in Atman our true Self.Thus salvation is what we already are. If you remember Swamiji saysParamatma is already attained, how can you attain that whihc isattained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what we are, notwe will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.In attaining anything there is duality of someone who attains andsomething to be attained, not the case here in this Bhakti (lovingdevotion).Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa......Karishye tavachanam...."I remember my true Self now Lord, will do what you say".One lives free of "me" as Sat-Chit-Ananda only.In salavation no individual entity survives, it is livingimpersonally, as Intelligence, Love, Peace, Steadfastness! Karmasare done when needed without doer!Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt------------------------------

Dear Sadhak,I am remember the boon of Kunti in Mahabharat.She requested LordKrishna to keep them in poverty so that she can remember almightyGod.Still however we should keep that spirit and in spite of alltroubles and our condition we should never avoid offering prayers atleast or twice.We should learn as to hoe to prayer.Please refer tomy book on 'Prayers of all Religions of the world. This is what IfeelTruly yours

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

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Sree Pratabji, Kindly bear with me for my mistake. Your goodnesssaid-- say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he havetime to ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living inSalvation?. Baktha is in constant thought of GOD that is why he hasfull time to askGOD why that HE is delaying salvation. Worldly man partly with Godhas time to ask GOD for his desires to be fullfilled one after theother until death. Such man Geetha has said Kamiyartha Baktha, whomGOD gives him long rope fulfilling his desires one after other, GODhoping he will become Jignasu. That hope of GOD is benovolence. Onceagain pardon me if I am wrong and enlighten me.

Salvation is that I thought is attained stage, not living insalvation. Salvation is to be attained and not living in it. Meanstrying for salvation. Once salvation is attained there is nodesires. You are very right Sir.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------

God is available only when we become His and remember His Gloriesand His name many times continuously, then and then we will feel Hispresence within your hearts. He will be seen but his presence willbe felt. This is how Mirabai, Narsinh Mehta and Chaitainya MahaPrabhu realized God.This is what I feel everyday while offering prayers

Truly yoursS S Bhatt

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadak,You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but inVeerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youRproblem ends.B.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explainedby Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh KumarPawan SinghalRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sadhaks ,The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Pathof a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on twodifferent points of time , are given below. Both are related .

In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated asfollows :

1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never havebeen ( and , can never be )otherwise .

2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answersare available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); itis ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be knownat a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available toThe Knower of the Self by Existence .

3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). Itis always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.

4.The sense of Doership disappears .

5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power-----not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......to transform the seeker ).

7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, wewere already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( weshall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is theTest ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basicprinciples shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remainBlissful, and Peaceful .

8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , withthe intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . Theshortest Way.No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition ofones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .

9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way toLight is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but yourwillingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truthof Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It isalready present in YOU, You are already That .

ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )

-------------For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union withthat great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :

1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on thesacred Path of love and Light.

2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personalexperience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable

3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in thatexperience.

4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Graceand yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any morerunning away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. ExistencesPlay , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part ofExistential Play and Doing

5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is theKnowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strivefor Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scripturesspeak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seekingheart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma

6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is tojudge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movementof the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses todie to the self , to realise the Self.

the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.

Narinder bhandari

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previouspost!I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time toask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?

I say this to emphasize "remembering God and not expectinganything", just unconditional love for God goes a long way.No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilationof "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) haveno footing. "me" is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinlysay they are, to pay our respect!Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have differentapproaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired bysuch Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique intheir own way is the proof of different expressions of the sametruth.Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt

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Q: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for AttainingSalvation?

Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are nosentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.Remembering The God is another myth.

Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataractin terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of itshinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of theignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception andexperience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist fortheir approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is sostrong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealedhere!

Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishadsmake it very clear:

Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |

The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such aslistening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of theself-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects aswell as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far asthere is insistence for seeing everything through the lens ofcognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what itsees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmittedmay not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatialboundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The imagesensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien toeach other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality isfutile in the first place.

But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest tobe attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort ofseeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever couldjust escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fearscocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one couldjust drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for everyone!

Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanumswaam ||

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which isThe You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at yourdeath, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT revealsitself within and around.

Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:

Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||

I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannadaequivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefitfrom,

Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.

Grossly, it means,

How can there be a sense of existence without something beingwithin?The being within remains "as is" NOT seeking anything.How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can everattain That?Understand that you can attain the one within by just being withinseeking nothing.

Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strengthwithin to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality inhis revelation on "Bhagavattattva" (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):

1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop AntahKarana (intrinsic awareness).2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innateawareness).3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)

I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in thisregard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar hegenerously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is beingcurrently circulated.

Respects.

Naga Narayana------------------------------Hari Om

Pawanji ! You "become" of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practicea wife "becomes" of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simpleheart: I am of the God, only God is mine.

Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The "karta"(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have becomeGodly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God isthat which "happens" effortlessly and which is not "done" .

Look at the status today. We "have to" think/remember about God,while thinking/remembering about the world "happens automatically".

Why? Because at "subtle ego level" we continue to be of world. Hencethoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the worldonly , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experienceproblems in concentrating.

CHANGE YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" ! Thereuponbhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will "haveto be done"!

As simple as that !

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B------------------------------Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God sothat we can do many good things in life and we will be happy asposting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life withoutinterruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the postingof all sadhakRam Ram

pawan singhal--------------------------------Shree HariRam RamPawanji, kindly post "sixteen powers by God" as separate question.From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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Priy sadhakIn my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in everylittle bit of action happening in & around U.Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?Like breathing.Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.Can U do all this?Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our lifewithout interruption and without any noise. also without showing anyehsan.Doesnt it make u believe & love god?If yes love moreif no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.Sorry if I hurt U.I didnt mean it.thanxRaja Gurdasani------------------------

Dear Sadaks,Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress andasked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songswere Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was withSri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they werehighly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left anatom of thought any part of their life that they are already insalvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is nottracable.But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares forfood. Those great men we recognised them as "Chitta Braman", (metalyhandicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes theywill be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.

B.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Pawan Kumar ji,I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.Love is God.God is Love.Love allServe all.See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who isgiven this blessed Birth.Think GoodSee GoodHear GoodDo Good.

Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , sothank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIScreation.

By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice iswith you but to do this you always need the blessings of thatSupreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path ofsalvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIMto decide.

It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.

One need to have a strong determination and go step by step anddrop by drop you can fill the ocean.

I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any wayWith Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal LoveKAMLESH KUMARHELP EVER HURT NEVERLOVE ALL SERVE ALLHAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAY

Kamlesh Kumar------------------------------

Dear Sadhakas, namaste!Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When "I" whoexpect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to beone and the same, salvation has happened.In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desireanything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,Beauty, Harmony, Joy!Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object ofdesire!when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, "I" alsoend at the same time, not later!See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadak,pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over andif you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, "Aninya Chitayayome", meansconstant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Yourresponsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HISresponsibility takes over.This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE willliberate HIS baktha in same birth.Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, makinggarlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listeningscriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleepand practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lightinglamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walkingaround HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri KrishanayaVasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In allmoments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan

-------------------------------Dear Sadhak,

Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form ofhuman being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 milliondifferent forms of births. If we know we will always remember Himbecause we are obligated to Him

Secondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us somesixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life andwe will be happy.Shankerprasad S Bhatt

----------------------------We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritualpractices will definitely lead us in the right direction.Hari Shanker Deo

-------------------------------SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.See God in All. God in you is the God in All.Serve All.Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing toserve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice isyours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.- "Aninya Chitayayome", means constant thought on ME, that soul I(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha insame birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living inSalvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruptionand without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we areeternally obligated to Bhagwaan- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed.- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannotwithold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptionalreality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty inrealizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.Remain "as is" NOT seeking anything. Simply be!Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsicawareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti toremain in The Tattva … The Absolute- Become of "Paramatma", then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'has become of God. Our problem is that at "subtle ego level" wecontinue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.Change YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" !- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditionallove for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) leadto anhilation of "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger,jealousy, etc) have no footing.- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.- living in the present, Now and here.- sense of Doership disappears- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.- Words become Fewer- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. MinimumDiscussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone'sBeing ( SEE 1 Above ),- and finally... drop all Knowledge- longing for God is Existence Gift- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to theself , torealise the Self. when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.- 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINKOF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE

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I am in search of devotee of God by true & heartfelt sentiments which is rarebut is somewhere -Gita 7(19).

God is easily attainable-Gita 8(14) by thinking/remembering-Gita 4(11). Mymessage is how can I think of God & remember God by true sentiments so that ican get salvation at the end at least as per Gita 8(5).

pawan kumar singhalRam Ram-------------------------------NEW POSTING

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

So how is one to remember Bhagwaan at their last breath? How? We could be the worst of sinners, yet at the very last breath if Bhagwaan is remembered.. He has guaranteed us that we will attain HIM !!! How extra-ordinary ! What a special favor ! A special concession! He has granted us this special grace... only out of His compassion !... now the SECRET ,,,, HOW ????

Swamiji has made is simple for us - VASUDEVA.... There is NONE OTHER!!! NO ONE ELSE !!! DOOSERO NE KOYI !!!

Now how can your mind not be in Bhagwaan? Wherever your mind goes, your thoughts go, your senses go, there HE IS....... There HE IS ! when there IS only Bhagwaan (Giridhar Gopal, The Beloved), where else will your mind be at the last breath?...The ONE that has manifested in MANY, where will He be able to hide? It is all Vasudeva! Because He has said so in Gita 7:19 - VASUDEVA SARVAM. In Gita 6:30 too, He makes it crystal clear... He who sees Me in all, and sees all in Me, for him, I AM NEVER OUT OF SIGHT. Just like when there is snow everywhere, then where can the snow hide? Even if there is snow hidden behind snow, only snow will be seen. Similarly when everything is a manifestation of God's divine form, then how can God hide? Whatever we see, think, taste, smell, feel, whatever... IS ONLY HIM! Where can HE hide? Now can the last thoughts be anything other than Him, our Beloved One?

Pawanji and all sadhaks, do you all get this, what Gitaji, Saints, Swamiji has revealed to us? This is an extra-ordinary thing! Swamiji said it is VILAKSHAN ! Now is there any doubt about our attaining God? Anyone that is unclear about this?

Meera Das

Ram Ram

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AUM

 

One-ness, where nought was but itself

Did in it's desire for expression

Manifest itself as the soundless sound

The sound of AUM

 

AUM, the seven notes singing in silence

AUM, the beauteous beholding of the inner eye

AUM, the honeyed delight of the Virgin tongue

AUM, the soft caress of the eternal Being

And the first fragrance of Non-being.

 

AUM, the One true expression of the Eternal Reality

That leads the Second back

To the Nothingness

Which is

Everything-ness.

 

AUM

 

 

one day, it was, that nari came to narinder , nothing unusual………. excitedly , he came……….. " narinder, narinder, narinder, I have discovered the secret of joy …………. Whenever you begin any thought ….do it with the utterance of `aum' aum, silence, awareness of silence Aum the soundless sound and, this utterance, narinder, you may utter silently !!! " and narinder said " Amen amen", said narinder And,………… for a moment there was nought but silence ............ time was no more ................ only joy joy of being no word, no sound ............... only the silent hummmmm of aum ………mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm……. And, yet another day, nari came to narinder , nothing new, of course .............. " narinder, narinder, " he said excitedly " when ever you end a thought whenever you end a thought, do it with the utterance of 'aum.......' 'aum', the soundless sound, Silence ........... awareness of silence the joy of silence ..........

 

 

The Joy of Meditation

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............... i tell you, narinder, this is the secret of remaining in Joy " and narinder said " Amen " for a moment there was nought but silence .... time was no more .... only joy joy of being no word, no sound ............... only the silent hummmmm of aum ………mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm……. aum ...........

narinder

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Please quote the verse from bhagavadgita as it is. Then explain in english. That what you have been doing allalong. I enjoy the gita verses a lot. Also the readers will be familiar with the holybook when you include the sanskrit verse( written in english). I admire you all for doing god's work.

iragavarapu

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Shree HariAs regards Maya- we only accepted the affinity with inert. We- means Self ! Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya - we only can leave it. Very clear reply of Vyas N B on the line of Swamiji is acceptable to me. I will try to accept affinity with God (Gita 15/7).I feel the grace of God(Gita 5/29) on 07.03.2009Ram Rampawan singhal --------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Please bear with me. As Sri Pratabji said that several births discouraging, it is true. Hope to attain realization may reduce or thought futile. But this is not my statement of attaining GOD in several births, but it is Sri Krishna` s in Bagavath Geetha. But in same Bagavath Geetha Sri Krishna also tells that if HE wishes HE can uplift one in the same birth. Contradictory statement of Bagavan. Here sadaks can completely rely upon the second statement of Bagavan and reach HIM straight away. Bagavan has said two methodsof reaching HIM. One right now. Another over several births. Sri Pratabji and Sri Vyasji will explain much better than me to Sadaks.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------Shree Hari Ram Ram Our inner sentiments (Bhaav) drive everything! Also our anubhava (experience/knowledge) tell us everything - the Truth (if we pay attention to it). We are experiencing abhaav (asat, perishability, changing, unreal) all the time, but choose to ignore our anubhava... If we give importance to our experience at this VERY MOMENT, liberation it shall be. Unfortunately, every thing we do is AGAINST our ANUBHAVA. We simply DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT our Anubhava. Gita clearly states - SELF cannot derive pleasure from ASAT (perishable)... yet entire life is dedicated to just doing that alone. (Gita 13:31).

Gita and Swamiji have made this PERFECTLY CLEAR - Till there is desire there is interest in the world. Once the desire goes, the interest goes. Once the interest goes - you become selfless. When you become selfless, your sorrows go, and once your sorrows go - you attain bliss (salvation, realization, benediction, moksha, Truth, God, Beloved, SatChitAnand). Whatever you may call this state. Therefore LEAVE THE DESIRE FOR ASAT. Simply DONOT GO AGAINST YOUR ANUBHAV NO MATTER WHAT, ACCEPT IT AS TRUTH. Where is the DOUBT now?

The recipe is clearly laid out. Simply FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS !!!!

But if you still do not want to follow the directions, continuing to add poison to the ingredients, then simply CALL OUT TO GOD FOR HELP!!! HEY NAATH ! HEY MERE NAATH ! HELP ME !

 

Only we humans have the ability to pay attention and respect our ANUBHAV(experience/knowledge). That is all there is to it!

Meera Das

Ram Ram

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Time is just a thought which references a point in the past, and thought arise in ............

How True , Partap jee, how true ! what to do ....... ah.................... what should poor nari do..............? The natkhat is the Vasudeva Sarvam and Time is only a thought ................ no reality ! how impotent narinder becomes , while Krishna plays and plays ............ ah ! Beloved Krishna

In the game of twoness

You smile as One-ness.

And

In the bliss of one-ness

You dance as two-ness!

 

And, it seems to poor narinder

That

Only Loving is real; You and I false

You are false, Govinda, You are false

You do not exist, nor I

Only Love exists

But even so,

and narinder cannot help loving YOU !

When I say ‘I love You Govinda’, why do you smile?

Love is real

Love alone is real

And

In its mad dance of loving

It chooses to become for one moment

You , The Lord of Lords

And I, Your eternal plaything, your slave, your beloved

Pining and yearning for You

Ecstatically seeking oblivion

In Your look

In Your smile

In your touch.

 

Ah, Krishna ! You are NOT fair !

AUM

narinder

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Ah, my friends, once narinder ventured to ask Krishna what Love is, and how to love God, who is Love !

"O Beloved,….. Love, the mystery, the mystery that you are Beloved, how can it ever be `known'! How can anyone ever know and understand it! Love is Un–knowable! You, my Beloved, are un-knowable. Only you know yourself by yourself… only you reveal to your own Self , the mystery of Love and Loving !"

And........... Thus Spake Krishna

"O narinder…. You can not know Love, but you can be Love, you can only Be. Be that Love. Be love. And, narinder, when you are Love, you `know' Love. You know what Love IS.

Ah ! Narinder, who wish to capture Love in words, let us share a moment … let us become Love, This Moment Now. The love, which is the opposite of `hate' is not what Love is . The love, which embraces hate, which co-exists along with `hate', is Being, is Love .

You can not know love ….. you cannot `do' love…. But you can feel Love. You can be Love. Love is not a `doing'.Love is a happening.Love is not a ' thought'...... thinking. Love is a feeling.

Love is your Being, your whole-ness, your crying need not to withhold anything from anyone, nor inflict anything on anyone.

A million words may be written about love. But if you have not felt it, you have not known it as your own Being-ness---------------you know nothing about Love! And, …. if you have felt it … felt it as your blood, bone and marrow, as your breath and consciousness, as your whole Being, as that, without which, you feel ` not alive'…. Then, narinder, you need no words, no affirmation, no proof, no knowledge…. You need no discussion, no analysis. Love is sufficient unto Love .

Ah ! Narinder…. You are love infinite. Infinite and choiceless; and you are the creator , sustainer and destroyer.Blessed by Love,you create in love. In Love, you sustain, and destroy too… in Love. All your doing, all your knowing , which in truth is of the nature of ` not –doing'… and `not – knowing, is nothing but Love. O nari, what indeed can be said of love! Only Love can know what love is! …….Not I …. not I … not I…. Love is `not I ' And yet, O narinder, Love and I, I and Love, are not –two. I indeed am Love!"

"Thank You, Beloved , thank you for leading Nari to Yourself for understanding of Love," This, now Narinder prays, "O Beloved….. lead me, O Lord, to the presence of those, who have known Love … who are love… who are Krishna … who you are ! Because, Govinda, my heart and soul are scorched by the heat of Love! And the fire can only be extinguished by the ambrosial showers of love from your Bhaktas, who have known Love, who are Love… who you yourself are! "

Jai Krishna, Jai Jai ! AUM

narinder

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Hari Om

Let me reflect upon Vasudev Sathyanarainji's messages as discussed upon by various sadhaks, including by Shri Pratapji. Beautiful brain storming arguments. There are 2 things in substance. One- Bahunaa Janamnaamante (BG 7:19) and another who binds whom? Maya to Purusha or vice versa.

Vasudev Sathyanarainji is absolutely right. Pratapji is also not wrong. Yes after many many births ! After a long long series of lying into various wombs of different species of mothers- one gets ultimately the human life. We all have got it. For all of us this can be the LAST life- God is attained for all of us. We simply have to believe this fact. That is all.The moment you get human life- Paramatma is attained. (Prarabdha pahale racha, peechhe racha shareer- first our object has been finalised, later we got human body) You only have to realise that! Matter ends. In human life only, you can presume He is attained and realise that. (this can be, actually, the 'anta' -last- of all life forms, because the chain started from here only- from a human birth in the past).. Here only you can say - He is attained. NO WHERE ELSE ! There is no question of "when" ! Now !! In this very human birth and always/ever - so long we remain human ! How TIME comes in between ? What poor time has got to do with it? TIME has already turned in our favour as we got human birth.

As regards Maya- we only accepted the affinity with inert. We- means Self ! Now, once we accepted bondage, means, Maya - we only can leave it. Who else can leave it? Who else accepted it? Maya means- that which does not exist. Self means- that which exists. When Self exists and Maya does not exist, the deliberation has to begin and end with Self only. The acceptance was by us. The renunciation has to be by us. What poor non existent Maya has got anything to do with bondage? Maya has no capacity to bind us. It does not exist. We keep talking/thinking/ relying upon it through mind/time/ignorance type of webs. Where is Maya to bind us? Something must exist at first place to bind us !! Leave shelter of mind- you are free ! Where is bondage thereafter?

Hope the above answers the questions raised and the essence of delibreations. What can be the role of mind or time there?

I have not read full series of arguments (read today only, to the extent trail is there on my BB - full trail is not there). May be I missed something from beginning. Let me know if I have. I will clarify/amend.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Loving Divine,Pranams.In recent post, I started a story - tree is holding me, & left to be told some other time; I think this is a perfect place :-)A guru had 2 disciples - younge (Y) & older (O). Guru: I am going to die soon so tell me what will you do after I am gone. O: I'd continue my search for God following your teachings while remaining brahmachari (celibate). Y: I'd continue my search for God remaining in family as my parents would like. Guru blessed both but called O & requested to keep an eye on Y & died. Few years later O visited Y & was happy to see him doing sadhana while remaining married. Few years passed, O visited Y again, but the picture is different. Y is in the midst of maya with his wife and kids and has almost forgotten God. O reminded him of God & promise given to guru. Y promised to start his sadhana & next time when O comes, to join him in sanyas as his kids would have been settled. Few years later O came back to take Y for sanyas. Y said he can't leave now as his son's wife had delivered a baby (B) & no one takes better care of B then he. Let it grow a little, when B goes to school he will join O. Y understood the problem. Next day early morning Y heard someone is shouting for help. O ran outside, saw that O has hugged a tree tightly & shouting for help claiming that this tree is not letting him go. O claimed over n over that this tree is holding him so tight that despite of his trying he can't free himself! Y understood the message & left immediately with O for to complete his sadhana for God realization! We claim all the time that maya is holding us back but it is not true, we are holding on to maya and that's where the problem is. Nothing is wrong w/maya. Maya is as eternal as God himself but trying to catch hold of shadow is ignorance. As Swamiji has said - holding on requires efforts, letting go doesn't... No need to leave the house, no need to go anywhere, God is present everywhere so do your duty but in God conciousness w/o attachment, that's all. It is that simple. Baba always says - remain compassionately detached. Even though you leave your family & go to jungle, maya will follow you as you are carrying it in your head. humble regards,always at Thy Holy FeetManjula Patel----Dear Sadaks,Thus answered Sri Vyasji, ""Na me bhaktah pransyati? There Lord Krishna asks Arjuna to take a vow that there will never be a downfall of His devotee. He asks Arjuna to take oath !! Because Krishna ( God) can deviate from HIS oath but not from the oath of HIS Bhakta"". I liked to hear from Vyasji though I knew it. Now who is Baktha? Defenition of Baktha?Slowly developing love (Desire for reading divine books, listening recorded divine lectures, meeting and spending time with Saadhus, sitting alone and craving for GOD) is one who is Baktha. Bagavan says, Kamiyartha Baktha, Prema Baktha, Niskama Prema Baktha. Only in Bakthi Marg, Bagavan takes over HIS Bakthas from start (Person who is desiring for GD0). In Sanyasa Marg or in Yog Marg Bagavan remains wittness, because in these 2 Margs Sanyasi or Yogi does have somewhere in a corner of his mind (Without his awareness) that he is Kartha for Sanyas or Yog. Bagavan said in Geetha that Sanyasi or Yogi fails several times before reaching HIM. Example: Sanakathis (Sri Bhramaji Manasa Puthras) fell pray to anger at doors of Vaikunt in cursing Jaya and Vijaya. But in case of Baktha behaving with Krodh/Kama/Loba etc HE takes care to rectify and make him realize. So many cases are there. Jai Sri krishnaB.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!One more point I want to share on Sathyanarayanji's post on Geeta saying "thatman does attain me in one of several births", so God is already attained butwhen is the question(time factor).If we look closely, that which we really are, Atman-Self-Consciousness nevertakes birth nor dies. Our ignorance as desires, latent tendencies-vaasanasacquired while in physical body forms subtle body(sanskaras) and it merges withcosmic subtle body or mass karmas of all beings upon death. It gets recycledthrough another body and ignorance continues its journey further until itrealizes its true nature in some human birth. So that which we truly are nevertakes re-birth. Thus by the time one realizes many births may have gone, butonly in ignorance, like in a dream! This is what I think Krishnaji may havemeant.Upon realizing Atman how does it matter how many births have gone? Again we saythis to emphasize the immediacy of the Realization. From the point of view ofmind, time is there, but time has not played any part in realization.How can it, it is not real. It is a simplistic and pragmatic assumptions. Evenan hour by clock time is experienced differently by different people, some findit too long when perceived boring, some find it too quick when perceivedinteresting! Time which is of Maya is flowing, and can never be experienced bymind. Thus what we call NOW is not mind's experience, it is mind's concept ofzero duration! Like in a dream we can experience whole life in few minutes, butupon waking up, there was no reality! So by saying it takes several births torealize we don't convey any value to those on the path of inquiry, on thecontrary it discourages.Besides, several births are only almost zero second to God, whose Grace bestowsRealization to those who are in fit to receive in His judgment!

Namaskar.............Pratap Bhatt------------------------Dear sadaks,Sri Vyasji has given nice explanation to my query BG 9:31- Na me bhaktahpransyati? Thank you.B.Sathyanarayan------------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Dear Sathyanarayanji, please accept my pranaam, you need not beg pardon! we areonly exchanging our understanding! Let us be in the spirit of oneness as yousaid and freely exchange!Let me do the best I can to clarify. "Does Maya bind us or we are binded byMaya. That is, "is Maya making us to be bonded or are we getting ourselves intoMaya", you asked.Maya binds us as long as we don't inquire who we truly ARE! We consider us asbody-mind limited entity and it continues as long as we allow it to gounchecked! We do have freedom for this inquiry! We can be free of suchignorance, and stop Maya at individual level. However, if we don't exercise thisfreedom in this birth, we continue to live in ignorance of Maya! So, Maya haspower only if we give it to! Maya stays away from True Bhaktas you give examplesof many times! Those bent on inquiry are Bhaktas of TRUTH!Maya also refers to illusion at cosmic level, is universal for all of us! Forexample, rainbow is illusion in the sense seven colors are seen as magnificentbow(of Rama as some say) just from rain water and sunlight, or mirrage seen indesert etc etc. Even when we know the truth we continue to see Rainbow andmirrages, however, it cannot bind us anymore, on the contrary it is joy all theway.Stories in our puranas are to emphasize the importance of stepping out of Maya,and some dramatization always help in such stories. Narada has this big ego ofwinning Maya, so, he was fooled is one such example!When we look at the world and take objects as real, not knowing it as Ishwara,its reality, it is due to Maya principle, it is said. It means, Maya is not aproblem, but to consider it REAL is the ignorance! If Maya can end, it isappearance and not permanent, that which appears but is not, Permanent is THATwhich never ceases to be. BG 2:16.Namaskar...............Pratap Bhatt

 

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Shri HariI belong to God -I accepted it first of all. One could see who has gyan & othercould not see who has agyan. I and my-ness is main obstacle which i finddifficult to conquer to get peace(Gita 2.71). I am trying as sadhak.Ram Rampawan singhal------------------

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Thank you all for your insights and co-operation. On having satsang withdevotees of Swamiji in Vrindavan (Shri Nawal Ram ji and consulting ShriRameshji Maharaj by telephone), I learned the following -

Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind's nature to bein constant search. Search of worldly matters and things or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically divert from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.

Jai Sri Krishnapawan singhal

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Hari Om

It is so divine to read message of Catherine to Sadhaks. Nothing more needs tobe done. Nothing more needs to be known. Nothing more needs to be got. Such isthe power in what she is practicing. You have caught the nerve of Satsanga-Sadhika Catherine. My pranaams to you.

Sathyanarainji ! Are you referring Sir to BG 9:31- Na me bhaktah pransyati?There Lord Krishna asks Arjuna to take a vow that there will never be a downfallof His devotee. He asks Arjuna to take oath !! Because Krishna ( God) candeviate fron His oath but not from the oath of His Bhakta, viz Arjuna. It is aguarantee of highest order by Paramatma to the Sadhaks. If you turn towards Me ,you shall never fall thereafter ! Krishna had, before Mahabharat War had takenan oath that he shall not lift weapon in the war. When Bheesma Pitamah knew,then he took the oath that I will make Krishna lift the weapon. Krishna forgotabout His oath and ensured that Bhishma Pitamah's oath is protected and liftedthe wheel of a broken Ratha ( chariot) and ran after Bhisma. . Such is the God,Dear Sadhaks.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Dear Sathyanarayanji, you need not beg pardon. We are exchanging ourunderstanding on this wisdom platform! God is really playing by being us in ourroles, I am sure of this as you are! I am not attached to what I share withsadhakas, and never insist it is the only truth!It has and is helping me to go deep within to feel the hidden, invisiblePresence and put few words around it as if finger is pointing at Moon. Just asfinger cannot touch the moon, mind cannot conceive the Presence, SELF! This maysound like bad news. but the good news is: since Self is already what "I" is,ever attained! So "I" cannot attain "SELF", just as eyes cannot see eyes even asthey see everything. The Grace points to the eyes "my dear, the fact that yousee everything is the proof of your Being more than what you see, so stopsearching and just be!". The eyes heed and realize, not that they will seethemselves ever, but the need to see themselves disappear altogether! Mind ispointed the same truth "you cannot see God separate from you, You ARE IT!It is the same here, all attempts to attain Paramatman by "me", non existententity, stops. Then all notions, beliefs which are images in the mind of Godbeing separate from "me" drop away in this Realization!In that Realization, mind becomes quiet, peaceful on its own in which Glimpse ofAtman is natural. So, I don't entertain any ideas about separate God right atthe outset, not wait for Realization to happen!This is what I understand by Paramatman is already attained! Vasudeva Sarvamfrom the beginning!

Unfortunately mind comes back and claims that Glimpse(of God) to be his ownexperience, not realizing that it was absent when Glimpse was Present. Kabirjiputs this as "Either Hari or "me", both cannot be present on the path ofLOVE"(Prem gali ati sankari, tame na samay do................).The Grace by the way, takes the guise of Swamiji or like him or scripture ordevotion or Satsang with spiritual friends like thhis forum.So why don't we realize now? Realization is like glimpses, like lightening,flashes here and flashes there, in time frame from the point of mind, but notdue to time really! When someone realizes SELF, it has nothing to do withelapsed time, because suppose if the same one didn't realize then also timewould have elapsed, right? So time is not the independent variable in theequation at all, only understanding brings it! Understanding means Devotion orSelf-less Karmas or any combinations, but finally only Grace will do it! You canonly go to the Gateless Gate and wait, and the doors open when God wants it!This is the reason Saints say that you do sadhana, and in time You will realize.Time is just a thought which references a point in the past and thought arise inus such as "oh, it took 5 years to realize or change" etc etc. No one canexperience the time in chronological way(it is running river), we experienceonly interveals of time as thoughts only. Thought is psychological time,thoughts creates time(and space too)! see for yourself.Few more clarifications later!Namaskar.........Pratap Bhatt--\------

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I am devotee of God and have never had doubts of his existence. I attain Godthis way. I put in different places little post it notes, Please do not let meforget You even for a moment, I say He Naath, He Mere Naath, I think on Bagwaan,Paramatma and Vasudev Sarvam all times. I use prayer of Oh Father let me neverforget you even for a moment, oh Compassionate One, let Your sweet memory bealways with me.Oh kind hearted my Father, my Master there is no one else, let menot forget you even in my dreams,while walking, eating, sleeping let me onlythink of You.In whatever I do let me always think of You.Your sweet, sweetmemories ever remain.Please grace me with this remembrance.. whatever work thatis being done yet in my heart, in my mind there is only God. Please I lie atyour lotus feet entreating let not even a moment pass without me rememberingyou, let me think of you every second, HE NAATH HE MERE NAATH Let me neverforget, let me remember all times...

catherine

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Hari Om

Pawanji. Why you should consider some thing to be difficult to conquer? What isthe difficulty?

What is yours? A thing/body over which you have no independent control , canthat be yours? By what yardstick you consider some thing/body to be yours? Athing/body which was not yours in the past, not going to be yours in the future,at present also it is constantly drifting away from you, how that thing can beyours? Where is the difficulty in understanding this simple fact?

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B---Dear sadaks,I first beg pardon from Sri Pratabji. Sri Pratabji, Sri Vyasji, Sri Mikeji, andall those NAMES mentioned by Sri Vyasji are one of Paramathuma` s and notdifferant. Only names divides to produce sounds. Sri Pratabji, it is not me whoimplied on you. Where is you or me? We are one and the same as said by you.Sri Pratabji you have answered in your posting. That is, ""We make suchstatements as "until you realize Self or Paramatman, you are in Maya, bondage!But I say until you choose to remain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" Iknew you will precisely answer and only in that sense I requested you.One more clarification from sadaks on the above line,""until you choose toremain bind in Maya, you may not realize God."" Does Maya bind us or we arebinded by Maya. That is, "is Maya making us to be bonded or are we gettingourselves into Maya" Some sadak has written about Naradhji getting monkey facebecause he said he won Maya. Maya has played with Paramathuma when HE decendedto earth as Badrinarayana, and with Bagavan Shiva and Maya lost & went back inshame.""Swamiji means what he said "Paramatman is already attained", is a statement offact we need to discover for ourselves!"" promtly said by SriPratabjiBagavan said in Geetha that line, ""Aneka Samshidayah-------". That man doesattain me in one of the several births."" which means that man alreadyattained, but when is the question (Time factor).Dear Sadaks, kindly enlighten me on the line starting with ""Name Baktha-----""said in Geetha. Please be precise in answer with a story example if possible.Namaste to Sri Pratabji and all other sadaks.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan

 

 

--------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear sadak, (pawan singhal )Normally when one thought in mind disappears another comes. Mind nature to be inconstant search. Search of worldly matters and things/ Or Search of divinity.Sometime as we see people having both partly this and partly that. Partly onworldly matters remains only when you give room to it. Slowly reduce youractivity on worldly matters and social obligations and shift to Sat Sangh,Solitude, contemplation, listening lectures, visiting temples Etc. The mind willautomatically diverse from world to divinity to great extent. Once retiredrenounce and spend time fully in divinity. The mind longing automatically takesplace. Mind transformation happens by God` s will.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan--------------------------------Dear Sadaks,Sri Pratab Bhatt says, To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delaying salvation" or he maynot even need to ask. God would know all true Bhaktas' heartfelt desires formerging in Him."" But Swamiji saidGoswamiji has said `Lord, give me your devotion and free me of desires, angerand faults'. Only `Give me your devotion as that alone will suffice.' 3rd March,2009, Tuesday Falgun Shukla Panchami, Vikram Samvat 2065, Mangalvar

Sri Pratab I know he will have answer for SadhaksJai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan------------------------------Dear Sadaks,

Sri Pratabji thus said so is absolutely correct, Thus salvation is what wealready are. If you remember Swamiji says Paramatma is already attained, how canyou attain that which is attained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is whatwe are, not we will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.

Now the question comes from ordinary men. -1) I am fraud, doing all underhand dealings, I cheat people and bank or evennation, I know how bad I am. Sir, you are telling me that I already attainedParamathuma .2) Politician said, I know what I am doing and Sir you call me I attainedParamathuma. Don’t be kidding.3) Student said, I have to achieve so much in life Sir you say I attainedParamathuma.4) Householder said, I have to get my children married and see that they getsettled, don’t be joking I attained Paramathuma.

What Swamiji said was also correct. Then where came the difference?

Human alone is blessed with such a body and intellect that can discriminate goodand bad, body and the soul, jeeva and paramathuma. Now a boy is told that he isfit to become doctor. He studies hard and gets Degree as a doctor. He did notknow he can become doctor until told. He then studied well and became doctoronly on listening to advisor (Guru). So Swamiji shares the teachings of the Gitaand scriptures saying human has in built capacity and ability to attain God.Which means that one need not fear that he cannot attain GOD, as he has allprovisions to attain God. But human does not know this power within is there.Now take animals they don't have that power to attain God, except in exceptionalcases. Animals have to raise to human level to attain God. Referance; KapilaGeetha told by Bagavan to Deva Hoothi. Even devatas, Indra etc are to take humanbirth and get salvation says Vedas. This valuable life gift (Godliness) isattained, but unaware of the birth of a human birth gift obtained by passingthrough various birth from tree to animals. Misuse this birth and go back to aworm in a dust bin says Vivekachudamani. Narayana Batadri a famous sant ofGuruvayuralso wrote that the human body is invaluable gift, if misused one takesbirth as animals. Referance: Srimath Narayiniyam. Bagavan in Geetha also said,"Aneka Jalma Samshidayaha-----" Gyan is that you now accept that you are in aattained position of Paramathuma. Vig (Scientifically- Science of Creation) isapplied to Gyan and one becomes Vig Gyani where by he can never ever commitmistake after becoming so. A Gyani has committed mistake but Vig Gyani does not.Best Example: Adi Sankara was Gyani but his Gyan was incomplete, until BagavanShiva came in disguise as Chandala with 4 dogs in street of Kasi and gave VigGyan. Referance : Manisha Panchakam.

Sri Pratabji wrote that "Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa. .....Karishyetavachanam.. .."I remember my true Self now Lord, I will do what you say".

So every human needs Sri Krishna. the Guru to say these, then he will say, Iremember my true self until then he is in maya.

Sadaks, body is a vital tool to attain Paramathuma. Bhramaji was jealous inheaven when he saw Sri Krishna eating along with his friends in Vridavan, onefeeding each other. He thought what a gift to be a child in Vrindavan along withSri Krishna. My post is useless. Devas and devathas where still more jealous andit would have best to be a calf or cow there rather than in this Bog lok wastingtime.

Sadaks we are blessed to be in human form on earth to the extent to serve SriKrishna in Pooja, in making Mala, in giving HIM fruits, in prostrating at hisfeet, in singing HIS songs, in seeing HIM blissfully. This NO ONE else in 13Loks can do. Referance : Sants of Panderpur, Shenayi, Chota Mela, Sakubai etc.and also written in Gyanapaana of the great sant who flew to Vaikunt by PuspakaViman in 1650 at Malapuram in public view Sant Sri Poothanam.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------False asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti) Said Sri pawan singhal.How many times happiness came and gone?. How many times unhappiness came andgone? It will come and go, so be aware of this truth.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan

 

-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariI accept Gita 7(19) that God is everywhere and in everything but Ican not realise God due to lack of understanding of Gita 18(48) & false asssumption becoming happy or unhappy from those things thatcome & go & having relationship with nature (Prakarti).I am trying to make relationship with self but in vain. Other way isonly to meet the devotee of God in physical form as guided in Gita 4(34). I realise swamiji as Giani -Gita 4(34) & take benefit tillassociation with Him. Now I am trying those benefit through group that is insant satsang. I have already requested tosadhakas of this group but in vain.I believe in association of great soul in physical form to getspiritual guidance as I feel with Swamiji at Rishikesh & Kolkatta.Please assist me to meet divine sadhaka & other realised greatsoul/Giani/devotee of God

pawan singhalRam Ram----------------------------NEW POSTING

Shri HariLonging is by the Self is answer of my question as explained byMeera Das. I request to Sh. Meera Das & all sadhaks please explainHow it will happen? I can only pray to God. I am helpless.Ram Rampawan singhal

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Shree HariRam Ram

Here are simple, clear and very easy words spoken in Hindi bySwamiji -

"Sabse pehle sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hoon. Ek baar saralhriday se dridhta poorvak sweekar kar lo ki main Bhagwaan ka hihoon. Jab aap bhagwaan ke ho to aapko unki smriti ke liye kuch karnahi nahin padega. Aapki har kriya unki pooja hogi."

Meager attempt at translating these simple words -

"First of all, accept that I am Bhagwaan's (I belong to God). Justonce, with a simple, straight forward heart, accept with a firmconviction, that I am only Bhagwaan's (I belong to only God). Whenyou become Bhagwaan's then you will have to do absolutely nothingfor His rememberance. All your activities will become His worship."

Now the Panchamrit (Five Golden Principles) just happens on it'sown -1) I am only God's2) I reside in His kingdom only3) I do His work (good and auspicious) only4) I receive only His prasad (blessing/offering)5) With the prasad received from Him, I serve only His family.

Now what will cause you to forgot Bhagwaan (God)? When you becomesomeone's do you have to remember you belong to them? Do you haveto recite at night I belong to Him, I belong to Him, I belong toHim? Do you have to study to remind yourself, since I belong to myBeloved, I must cook and do other work for Him? Do you have toremind yourself that since I belong to Him, I must take care of Hischildren? and so on?

Become Bhagwaan's (God's) ONLY ONCE !!!! .... says Swamiji... Magicfollows... undoubtedly.

Meera DasRam Ram

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In India we are lucky to have amongst us God realised souls who areshowing others the path to salvation. These gurus by shunningworldly comforts and possessions are showing us the way. Once werealise that every thing that we see is maya or illusion and thatthe only truth is the Soul or Atma within each of us whose only goalis to unite with the Parmatma, we can attain salvation. What we aretoday is the result of our past karmas but we can control what wewill become through through the result of our present karmas. So ifwe follow the right path of sewa or helping others, satsang orseeking the company of good people, sadhna or spiritual practicesand dhyan or meditation to connect with our Soul then we will be onthe right path.Hari Shanker Deo--------------------------

Thank You Narinder Bhandariji. I bow to YOU and The Krishnarejoicing your Rejoice.

Respects.

Naga Narayana----------------------------

Dear Sadaks,One says Salvation/Mukthi is always there. Another point said thatyou that Sat Chit and Anandham. Then why one has to suffer? Becausereason

1) One knows not to tell lies, but says- Mind level.2) One knows drinking alcohol is wrong, but drinks -Body level.3) One knows that he has to Sadhana, but does not do, intellectlevel.

These 3 are called Trikarna Sudhi (Clealiness of body mind andintellect) How to achieve it? By guidance - God/Guru. SalvationMukthi is there, but one is not living in it as the qualities arenot there. A person with eye sight is unable to read. But then heneeds spectacles. So the body, mind and intellect is not in form, itis spoilt. He needs Gyan (Spectacle) to see within (Athuman) hisswaroop.He gets from Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh. Until then he does notrealize that he is easily reachable to God/Salvation/Mukthi. That iswhy without Guru or Govind or Sat Sangh he undergoes birth afterbirth. The man who obtained Gyan knows preyty well that his Swaroopis itself divine and because of curtain of Maya he lost valuablelife time.What is wrong in learning from the saint's teachings? In fact theirteaching are there for one to follow. Otherwise those historiescould not have been written. In fact it is easy to follow a saintpath to reach God faster. Saints showed easy methods that could makeone realize.There were so many disciples who followed the instructions of theirGuru and obtained Mukthi. Example: Sant Ekanath. In Kaliyug it isdifficult for man to read scriptures/Sanskrit Etc and then know thepath. In Srimath Bagavath says in Kaliyug Namasankeerthan is enoughto get liberated. Each yuga Dharma is there in Scripts. If someonetells me easy and quick and fast way to reach Badrinath, what iswrong in following his advise. So are Bakthas who guides us. Just bypresenting a flower Mala daily with faith and love to God a saint(Vishnu Chithar) says it will pave path to Vaikunt. It seems easybut if one tries that somewhere or other he fails in timely pooja orloose a day without, or gets stuck to some business or occupied in afamily function Etc. So sincerity, faith, love towards God settingaside even a great need of family produces realization. Sadaks, manyof us go temple say certain day Friday/Saterday. How punctual are we?

Hiranyakasipu and Prahald had argument where is GOD. Prahald said HEis everywhere. His father asked is HE in this pillar. Prahaladsays, "Drusyate" (Yes I see God). His father says "Nah Durshyate" (Ican not see HIM). Why? One has Gyan the other has Agyan. ThoughParamathuma there , one could see and other could not see. Most ofus are still in Agyan. Here Guru was Prahalad who showed GOd andHiranyakasipu obtained Mukthi.

Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------

PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam Ram

Dear Pawanji, Swamiji has said that such experience of the presenceof God, the rememberance of God, your Beloved One by truesentiments, is only possible by one's own Self. Not by mind/intellect and not by trying to remember. It is only when thislonging is by the Self, that it happens on it's own simply,naturally, and involuntarily (Swabhavik). Swamiji says this is soinnate that it happens even in one's sleep. Rather it happensnaturally all the time. Intense attachment and longing for God -round the clock. It is not about "doing" but simply "being". Itsimply and naturally "IS". Absolutely nothing has to be done toremember our Beloved One.

Just like when our Beloved is going to arrive by train, and we havenot seen him for a long time and we are waiting at the railwaystation for Him, and we feel the anxiety, the longing - When will myBeloved come? When will I see Him? How much longer will it be beforeour eyes meet? This anticipation, this longing is so intense thatone simply cannot wait even a moment. It is consuming ! Just thatone thought.. when will I see my Beloved!

Just like when we are intensely thirsty and are consumed with thethought of a sip of water. Do you have such enthusiasm? Such drive?Such Zeal? Such Intensity? Such Sentiments to meet Your Beloved One,God? - asks Swamiji

Meera DasRam Ram

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Krishna and His song

The Heart,

In longing pain

Cries out

Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!

The Soul rejoices.

 

The Mind

In love's ecstasy

Bows at the feet of the Beloved

The Soul rejoices.

 

And Krishna smiles,

The flute rising to his lips.

Ah! The symphony of the soundless sound,

Where

The seven disappear into the Light of lights

Where

Time disappears into Timelessness

 

And

The Heart,

In longing's pain

Keeps Crying out

Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna!

And

Thence comes the Lords song of songs

The Bhagavad geetha, ah !

To assuage the hearts pain

And, the Minds thirst for Knowledge, and Light

aum

narinder bhandari

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Hari Om

Pawanji ! You have received sterling in sights in response to yourQs, the last one from Mira Dassji. Truth and only truth is there inher last message to you. If you just "accept" with a simple heartwhat she has so eloquently recommended to you, your search gets overeffortlessly, then and there !! Where can Paramatma hide when youstart with goal of BG 7:19? Can ice hidden behind ice ever remainhidden?

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B------------------------------Dear Sadhak,Why think to achieve salvation at the "end" ? It cannot be a futuregoal. It is HERE and NOW as stated by sadhak Narinderji.Only effort needed is to be present Here and Now with a deep longingto reach HIM. Now is the eternity zone. All spiritual practices likebreath control, name chanting, mala japa etc leads sadhak to remainin present moment.The whole world is nothing but an illusion, a web of our thinkingmind. When a sadhak practices living in here and now, he is out ofthe grip of his thinking mind and all doing becomes happenings."Sarva Dharma Paritjya, mamekam sharanam vrij"Gitaji. when sadhaksurrender to Krishna, he accept every moment As IT IS and remainssubmerged in the ocean of Love, Bliss and Peace.with Love,a sadhikaSadhna Karigar

Shri HariI am asking question due to my nature-Gita 5(14) & Gita 2(7) butbefore Gita 18(73) & because I know the truth-everything belongs toBhagwan, the essence, I say this but I do not believe the truth, theessence as i say in prayer written by Swami Shri RamsukhdasjiMaharaj.Meera Das & Pratap Bhatt has explained after Gita 18(73)Ram Ram------------------------------

 

-------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree HariRam Ram

Swamiji incessantly, relentlessly, persistently spokeabout "Vasudeva Sarvam"(All is God) in the final years in His mortal body. He repeated thismany times- PLEASE READ CAREFUL AND ACCEPT IMMEDIATELY! If there is noquestions ordoubts, then PLEASE ACCEPT RIGHT NOW!

Swamiji said -Whatever is perceived with mind, speech, sight and other senses isonly God.Accept this immediately. The active, inactive, conscious, matter,[born of egg,sweat and sprouting from earth] - all are God and nothing else. Goodor bad,wicked or virtuous, all are God. There is nothing else besides God.He whowishes to attain God should accept this fact. As Shri JaydayaljiGoyandka usedto say that "Whatever is seen is God's divine form and whatever isexperiencedand activities undertaken is His divine play/pastime (lila).

If you are very serious about your question, if you believe in Gita4:11 (thathowever a devotee worships Me, so do I approach them) and have anardent andintense longing to find the answer to this question, it does notmatter if it isat the end of life or not, SIMPLY FROM NOW ONWARDS - EVERYTHING YOUSEE ISBHAGWAAN'S SWAROOP (God's Divine Form) AND EVERYTHING YOUEXPERIENCE/DO IS HISLILA (Divine Play/Pastime).

Now if a devotee worship Bhagwaan in this manner, where canBhagwaanji HIDE?Tell me one place he will not be? Tell me how at the end of thislife, end ofthis human body, He will not be there as Yamdoot (God of Death)?Tell me whereyou will need to go searching for this rare Devotee of God by true & heartfeltsentiments? If your sentiments are true and heartfelt, can you notaccept whatGita says and what Swamiji says that Bhagwaan (Vasudeva) iseverywhere, ineverything, in all that you see, think, feel, do, experience andmore, becausethere is only "Vasudeva" and this is clearly stated in the Gita 7:19and throughout the Gita in Chapter 11 and more!

Do you have any further questions or doubts? Please bring them out!

Meera DasRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sri Pawan kumar

I remember the words of a man who is an ardent devotee of SriRamana. He used to say 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVENIF YOU DO NOT THINK OF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE.

Please contemplate on that

vrsarma podury

PRIOR POSTINGDear Sadhakas, Namaste!To our dear Sathyanarayanaji with great respect!In my understanding Bhakta can ask God "why He is delayingsalvation" or he may not even need to ask. God would know all trueBhaktas' heartfelt desires for merging in Him.What I mean is the when you are in love with God, unconditionally,you wouldn't want to make loving Him as a means to the end(salvation). Such love or remembering God constantly is in itselfthe means and end, without duality even though on-lookers may feelBhagwaan and Bhakta as separate.I consider salvation as Moksha or liberation from a false senseof "me", non existent ego and establishment in Atman our true Self.Thus salvation is what we already are. If you remember Swamiji saysParamatma is already attained, how can you attain that whihc isattained? Atman or God or Self or Consciousness is what we are, notwe will become. It is a matter of remembering or realizing, notattaining.In attaining anything there is duality of someone who attains andsomething to be attained, not the case here in this Bhakti (lovingdevotion).Arjuna says Nashtomoha smritirlabdhwa......Karishye tavachanam...."I remember my true Self now Lord, will do what you say".One lives free of "me" as Sat-Chit-Ananda only.In salavation no individual entity survives, it is livingimpersonally, as Intelligence, Love, Peace, Steadfastness! Karmasare done when needed without doer!Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt------------------------------

Dear Sadhak,I am remember the boon of Kunti in Mahabharat.She requested LordKrishna to keep them in poverty so that she can remember almightyGod.Still however we should keep that spirit and in spite of alltroubles and our condition we should never avoid offering prayers atleast or twice.We should learn as to hoe to prayer.Please refer tomy book on 'Prayers of all Religions of the world. This is what IfeelTruly yours

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

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Sree Pratabji, Kindly bear with me for my mistake. Your goodnesssaid-- say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he havetime to ask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living inSalvation?. Baktha is in constant thought of GOD that is why he hasfull time to askGOD why that HE is delaying salvation. Worldly man partly with Godhas time to ask GOD for his desires to be fullfilled one after theother until death. Such man Geetha has said Kamiyartha Baktha, whomGOD gives him long rope fulfilling his desires one after other, GODhoping he will become Jignasu. That hope of GOD is benovolence. Onceagain pardon me if I am wrong and enlighten me.

Salvation is that I thought is attained stage, not living insalvation. Salvation is to be attained and not living in it. Meanstrying for salvation. Once salvation is attained there is nodesires. You are very right Sir.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------

God is available only when we become His and remember His Gloriesand His name many times continuously, then and then we will feel Hispresence within your hearts. He will be seen but his presence willbe felt. This is how Mirabai, Narsinh Mehta and Chaitainya MahaPrabhu realized God.This is what I feel everyday while offering prayers

Truly yoursS S Bhatt

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Dear Sadak,You are searching GOD outside you . Outside you HE exists, but inVeerat Roop. Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youRproblem ends.B.Sathyanarayan-----------------------------Thanks.Believe and love God because Gita 5(29) verdict as explainedby Raja Gurdasani & Kamlesh KumarPawan SinghalRam Ram-------------------------------Dear Sadhaks ,The question , in some way, is related to a desire to walk the Pathof a true sadhka . Some thoughts that blossomed from within on twodifferent points of time , are given below. Both are related .

In fewest words, The Path of a sadhak , could perhaps, be stated asfollows :

1.We are what we are , at this point of Time. It could never havebeen ( and , can never be )otherwise .

2.When the Self is Known, all is Known. It is not that all answersare available ( The field of Knowledge is so vast); itis ...that..... all Questions drop....... whatever needs to be knownat a particular point of Time ( always Herenow) is made available toThe Knower of the Self by Existence .

3. Living now is no more ' living in the Time'( Past and Future). Itis always in your own ' presence' ( awareness) in the Here now.Spontaneous living sans Fear , Pain, and delusion.

4.The sense of Doership disappears .

5.Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.

6.Words become Fewer, and they flower from your Silence (Peacefulness ! ) And, They are purposeful. They have Power ( power-----not as the world understands, but the power of God and Love......to transform the seeker ).

7. The Whole Process ( walking the Path ) is for Oneself. If, wewere already Enlightened .............. we shall pass the Test ( weshall Know) by the joy of conduct ...... ( The Conduct is theTest ).Generally, it is , and will be, in accordance with the basicprinciples shown ( given ) by the Knowers of Truth. We shall remainBlissful, and Peaceful .

8. The True Seeker yearns for the Truth, his/ her own Being , withthe intensity of HERENOW. THe Desire is to end all words . Theshortest Way.No prolonging. Minimum Discussion. No argument. No imposition ofones own Concepts. Acceptance of everyone's Being ( SEE 1 Above ),respecting others' Being, respecting his/ her own being .

9. and finally.......( although, one could go on....... ) The way toLight is not through ' acquisition of new knowledge, but yourwillingness to drop your Knowledge ( concepts/ conditionings).Anything that is born, has to die. True Love, True knowledge, Truthof Being, is Unborn, Unchanging and , therefore, Undying. It isalready present in YOU, You are already That .

ah ! what more to say and how ? ( already too many words !! )

-------------For Spiritual Seekers longing for the divine mystical union withthat great Void , we call Existence, Nature, or God :

1. The longing for God is Existence Gift to the Seekers on thesacred Path of love and Light.

2. This longing one day, culminates in Grace, and the personalexperience ( knowing) of the Un-knowable

3. The paradox of Action ( effort) and Grace gets resolved in thatexperience.

4. That resolution of the paradox is the state of being, where˜doing is˜ doing nevermore where all becomes a happenning Graceand yet, there is no running away from doing what needs being done.there is NO running away, because you are not into doing any morerunning away cannot happen. all happens as it happens. ExistencesPlay , with narinder-ness in total acceptance of it a part ofExistential Play and Doing

5.TILL THAT HAPPENS. Doing, much Doing is the Way.. and it is theKnowers of Truth that guide us into attitudes and conduct to strivefor Bhagvada geetha gives to the seeker, the threefold practise of ˜Karma-yoga action , surrendering the fruit to the Lord),Bhakti (devotion) and Gyana ( Knowledge of the True ) . All the scripturesspeak nothing else they speak and shriek, in love of the seekingheart,what is the Way , of the Karma and Dharma

6.The final test of ˜having arrived is your conduct and who is tojudge the conduct ? you, yourself , of course ! it is the movementof the self , for the self; and it is the self , which chooses todie to the self , to realise the Self.

the last thought that comes to the mind is . that the self, when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.

Narinder bhandari

AUM----------------------------

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!This is just to answer Sathyanarayanji's observations on my previouspost!I say if one(Bhakta) constantly remembers God, does he have time toask anything of Bhagwaan? Is he/she not living in Salvation?

I say this to emphasize "remembering God and not expectinganything", just unconditional love for God goes a long way.No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) lead to anhilationof "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger, jealousy, etc) haveno footing. "me" is ignorance who thrives on shadripus(6 enemies)!Such Bhaktas don't say they are in salvation but we can ceratinlysay they are, to pay our respect!Even if Bhaktas like Kabirji and Prahladji asked something from God,it still is alright to just keep rememebring God without expecting,isn't it? Gita teaches us too. Each of Bhaktas may have differentapproaches to teach us to be true Bhaktas. We have to be inspired bysuch Bhaktas, not necessarily copy them. They are all unique intheir own way is the proof of different expressions of the sametruth.Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt

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Q: How can I Remember God and by True Sentiments for AttainingSalvation?

Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! There are nosentiments - rather no emotions of any sort - there either.Remembering The God is another myth.

Then it remains a puzzle, why such a natural reality is not felt?!Why can't we even remember That when it is claimed to be ever-present?! What is the problem??!! The reason is the imbibed cataractin terms of our wrong notions (ignorance) and corrupt attitude(inertia). Just like the vison becomes clear on the removal of itshinderance, our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed. Sadhana is the process of removal of theignorance and inertia that cloud our existence, perception andexperience limiting us to imagine everything within these domains.Our dependence on these mechanisms of existence makes us insist fortheir approval for everything - even The God. The dependence is sostrong and opaque that we can't even dream of any alternative.Hence the insistence, if there is any reality, it should be revealedhere!

Unfortunately, finite cannot withold the infinite! The Upanishadsmake it very clear:

Naayamaatmaa pravachanena labhyah na medhayaa na bahunaa shrutena |

The Absolute cannot be approached by any relative media such aslistening, thinking, discussion, talking, etc. irrespective of theself-proclaimed excellence in the same. All perceived objects aswell as ideas remain finite within the limited perception itself.Therefore, The Truth remains oblivious to the cognition as far asthere is insistence for seeing everything through the lens ofcognition only. As natural to a lense, it can capture only what itsees and can transmit only what it can. In fact, what is transmittedmay not even resemble the original often thanks to its spatialboundaries, color filtering and refractional distortions. The imagesensed within and the object attempted to be sensed remain alien toeach other thanks to the opaqueness in the very cognitive system.Therefore, any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptional reality isfutile in the first place.

But, the ever-present reality should be theoretically the easiest tobe attained … in fact it is already there even without any effort ofseeking! Then what is the difficulty? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.The ever-attained is ever-ready for a seeker if he/she ever couldjust escape the clutches of self-woven fish-net of desires and fearscocooned within opaque shell of ignorance and inertia. If one couldjust drop the dependence on these, THAT is naturally THERE for everyone!

Yamevaisha vrinute tena labhyah tasyaisha aatmaa vivrunute tanumswaam ||

Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT which isThe You before your birth, at your birth, through your life, at yourdeath, and after your death. If you let yourself be … THAT revealsitself within and around.

Ramana Maharshi puts his brilliant depth of appreciation beautifully:

Ulladalad ull unarv ullado?Ulla porul ullal ara ullatte ulladaal.Ullam enum ulla porul ullal evan?Ullatte ullabadi ullade ullal unar ||

I beg Maharshi's pardon as I am tempted to give its Kannadaequivalent in my limited understanding, in case any could benefitfrom,

Iralaarada ola-iruvu iruvudentu?Ola-arivu olage nintu hora baaradu.Horabaarada ola-iruvanu porevudentu?Ola-iruvanu aritu iruva arive nija.

Grossly, it means,

How can there be a sense of existence without something beingwithin?The being within remains "as is" NOT seeking anything.How to attain the one within that seeks nothing? and, who can everattain That?Understand that you can attain the one within by just being withinseeking nothing.

Swami Ramsukhdasji lays out a clear strategy to develop the strengthwithin to turn our focus from our conceived world to The Reality inhis revelation on "Bhagavattattva" (Sadhan Sudha Sindhu):

1. Purify the Bahih Karana (extrinsic awareness) to develop AntahKarana (intrinsic awareness).2. Filter the Antah Karana to extract Viveka Drishti (innateawareness).3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti to remain in The Tattva … The Absolute(That is often called Tattva Drishti or Salvation etc.)

I have never seen such out-spoken and clear-cut strategy in thisregard elsewhere so far. I recommend everyone to study The Nectar hegenerously pours out for everyone of us with care. FYI, it is beingcurrently circulated.

Respects.

Naga Narayana------------------------------Hari Om

Pawanji ! You "become" of Paramatma ! Just As: Without any practicea wife "becomes" of her husband. Accept firmly once with a simpleheart: I am of the God, only God is mine.

Once you do that Bhajan has started unceasingly in you. The "karta"(doer/thinker/ego) has become of God, now all the karmas have becomeGodly- naturally. The real Bhajan/remembering/thinking about God isthat which "happens" effortlessly and which is not "done" .

Look at the status today. We "have to" think/remember about God,while thinking/remembering about the world "happens automatically".

Why? Because at "subtle ego level" we continue to be of world. Hencethoughts about the world are automatic. While remaining of the worldonly , we want to remember/think about God- hence we experienceproblems in concentrating.

CHANGE YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" ! Thereuponbhajan will be automatic and remembering about the world will "haveto be done"!

As simple as that !

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B------------------------------Thanks to all. I want to know sixteen powers which given by God sothat we can do many good things in life and we will be happy asposting by Shri Shankerprasad S. Bhatt.I agree God is doing most vital actions of our life withoutinterruption & without any noise also without showing any ehsan.I have to renounce desire-Gita 2(47), I concluded from the postingof all sadhakRam Ram

pawan singhal--------------------------------Shree HariRam RamPawanji, kindly post "sixteen powers by God" as separate question.From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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Priy sadhakIn my view & experience I suggest please realise god work in everylittle bit of action happening in & around U.Like heart beat. Think who is doing it?Like breathing.Like digesting whatever u eat & nourishment of ur body.Can U do all this?Then it is proved that god is doing most vital actions of our lifewithout interruption and without any noise. also without showing anyehsan.Doesnt it make u believe & love god?If yes love moreif no ask urself why why u are so ehsan faramosh.Sorry if I hurt U.I didnt mean it.thanxRaja Gurdasani------------------------

Dear Sadaks,Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation? THUS said Sri Pratab.Bakthas at various levels asked Bagavan to help in distress andasked HIM to liberate him from this world. There are numerable songswere Bakthas were asking with GOD, to liberate one from the 6enemies (^ bad Gunas -Kama, Krodh etc). Even Prahalad who was withSri Vishnu all the time, sang so. Kabir did so. Though they werehighly elevated souls why they sang so? Because they never left anatom of thought any part of their life that they are already insalvation. This thought they knew is Ego in disguise which is nottracable.But if one understood he is already in salvation, he becomes dumb.Behaves like Pagal Baba, never cares to even dress, never cares forfood. Those great men we recognised them as "Chitta Braman", (metalyhandicap). We are accustomed in seeing world, so to our eyes theywill be Pagal. But after their disappearence we build temples.

B.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Pawan Kumar ji,I am inspired by God to write to you on the subject.Love is God.God is Love.Love allServe all.See God in every creation of God. God in you is the God in everyone.Serve every creation of God is the purpose of every human who isgiven this blessed Birth.Think GoodSee GoodHear GoodDo Good.

Every moment / breath of life in you is the blessing of God , sothank God for giving you an opportunity to serve HIM by serving HIScreation.

By doing this you will realize the and attain Salvation. Choice iswith you but to do this you always need the blessings of thatSupreme. and HE who will inspire you and guide you the path ofsalvation. Do your Good Karma and leave the fruit of that unto HIMto decide.

It is like you wish to win a lottery but never bought the ticket.

One need to have a strong determination and go step by step anddrop by drop you can fill the ocean.

I apologize, if I hurt your feelings in any wayWith Warmest Regards and Ever Flowing Eternal LoveKAMLESH KUMARHELP EVER HURT NEVERLOVE ALL SERVE ALLHAVE A NICE AND A BEAUTIFUL GOD BLESSED DAY

Kamlesh Kumar------------------------------

Dear Sadhakas, namaste!Q: How can I get salvation at least at the end?Answer( to me at least): By not expecting salvation! When "I" whoexpect salvation or whatever, and salvation itself are seen to beone and the same, salvation has happened.In otherwords, I and desired object are understood to be the same,duality of subject object ceases and all struggles to desireanything vanishes, leaving God only, experienced as Peace, Love,Beauty, Harmony, Joy!Look at it this way when Bhakta constantly remembers and thinks ofGod, does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?It is only by constantly desiring one pushes away the object ofdesire!when expectations or desires including that of Moksha end, "I" alsoend at the same time, not later!See the truth of this statement, and start living, stop expecting!Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadak,pawan kumar singha. Very simple. If your basic duties are over andif you want to quit worldly life, then it is surely possible.Bagavan has very clearly said in Geetha, "Aninya Chitayayome", meansconstant thought on ME, that soul I (Bagavan) takes over. Yourresponsibility in search of HIM ceases, but on the other hand HISresponsibility takes over.This also Bagavan has said in Geetha, that by HIS sankalp HE willliberate HIS baktha in same birth.Totally dedicate everything to Bagavan by Pooja, Bhajan, makinggarlands for Bhagavan, growing fruits for Bhagwaan, listeningscriptures/puranas Etc, learning vedic way of life in food, sleepand practice, washing cloths for Bhagavan, cleaning temple, lightinglamps, looking at HIM with love and affection, saying Japa walkingaround HIM (Idol), just pronouncing Govinda, Madhava, Sri KrishanayaVasudevaya Mukundhaya Namo Namo as one walks around garden. In allmoments to dedicate everything to Bagavan, B.Sathyanarayan

-------------------------------Dear Sadhak,

Every one should have knowledge of how he or she got this form ofhuman being after many turns of birth and death in 8.4 milliondifferent forms of births. If we know we will always remember Himbecause we are obligated to Him

Secondly if we know that after giving human birth God gave us somesixteen divine powers so that we can do many good things in life andwe will be happy.Shankerprasad S Bhatt

----------------------------We can do sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation which spiritualpractices will definitely lead us in the right direction.Hari Shanker Deo

-------------------------------SUMMARY OF SADHAK POSTINGS- Love is God. God is Love. Love all. Serve all.See God in All. God in you is the God in All.Serve All.Think Good. See Good. Hear Good. Do Good. Leave the Fruit to Him.Every breath is blessing of God, so thank God for his blessing toserve His creation! Thus, realize and attain Salvation. Choice isyours, but by His blessings, inspiration, guidance you will attain.- "Aninya Chitayayome", means constant thought on ME, that soul I(Bagavan) takes over. By HIS sankalp HE will liberate HIS baktha insame birth. In all moments to dedicate everything to Bhagavan.- Can get salvation, by not expecting salvation'- by constantly desiring one pushes away the object of desire!- all struggles to desire anything vanishes, leaving God only,experienced as Peace, Love, Beauty, Harmony, Joy!- Bhakta constantly remembers God, loosing himself, thus living inSalvation. Does he have a time to ask for anything? Does he not livealready in Salvation?- god is doing most vital actions of our life without interruptionand without any noise. also without showing any ehsan.- after human birth in 8.4 million different life forms... we areeternally obligated to Bhagwaan- Our experience becomes transparent when the ignoranceand inertia are removed.- Salvation or Mukti or Moksha is ever-present and hence need not beattained, nor can it be attained by any effort! finite cannotwithold the infinite! Any attempt to cognize the trans-perceptionalreality is futile in the first place. what is the difficulty inrealizing that which is ever-present? The difficulty is theinsistent blindness through the so-called vision of ours. Theinsistence to reach everything through our mind-body cluster ONLY.Do not try to establish anything … just be as you are … justperceive everything as is … then you are automatically THAT.Remain "as is" NOT seeking anything. Simply be!Approach: 1) Purify the extrinsic awareness; Filter the intrinsicawareness to extract Viveka Drishti 3. Clarify the Viveka Drishti toremain in The Tattva … The Absolute- Become of "Paramatma", then bhajan starts unceasingly, the 'karta'has become of God. Our problem is that at "subtle ego level" wecontinue to be of world, hence thoughts of world are automatic.Change YOUR EGO from "I am of world" to "I am of God" !- remembering God and not expecting anything, just unconditionallove for God. No expectations, no desires(even for salvation) leadto anhilation of "me". Without "me", all six enemies (anger,jealousy, etc) have no footing.- Search withIN you with love on Sri Krishna Roop, youR problem ends.- all Questions drop - whatever needs to be known is known.- living in the present, Now and here.- sense of Doership disappears- Intense, choiceless Love blossoms in the Heart. The Mind bows tothe Heart, to that Love.True love is understood . Judgement stops.Discernment is spontaneous . Argument seems Meaningless. Discussionis only out of Love; for the seeking Heart.- Words become Fewer- True Seeker yearns for the Truth, HERENOW. No prolonging. MinimumDiscussion. No argument. No imposition. Acceptance of everyone'sBeing ( SEE 1 Above ),- and finally... drop all Knowledge- longing for God is Existence Gift- for the self; and it is the self , which chooses to die to theself , torealise the Self. when itarrives, it knows that it has not yet arrived .. he, who Knows,knows now , that he does not know.- 'IF YOU THINK OF HIM IT IS HIS GRACE.. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINKOF HIM IT IS ALSO HIS GRACE

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