And i am not giving a guideline for a new organization, just reminding all that the nature of the Divine is primal, profound Samaadhi

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> , " Violet "

> <violetubb@> wrote:

> >

> > ....Or are you giving a guideline for a New Organisation, in which

> > we need to be more 'Standard' in the way we operate. i know the

> > Devi can liberate us without any rituals. That we can just turn

> > to Her Within. Are you suggesting we turn right away from all

> > rituals, as an organisation, so nobody need be turned off by any

> > rituals whatsoever? Do you believe the SYSSR has so spoiled Shri

> > Mataji's teachings that we really need to go in the opposite

> > direction, and have no rituals whatsoever? i know this is a

> > somewhat contentious issue, but it would be good to get your take

> > on this. Do you believe people can have their spiritual

> > liberation without any ritual help, whatsoever? That is the main

> > point, i would say.

> >

> > warmest regards,

> >

> > violet

> >

 

Q: Are you suggesting we turn right away from all rituals, as an

organisation, so nobody need be turned off by any rituals whatsoever?

A: Yes!

 

Q: Do you believe the SYSSR has so spoiled Shri Mataji's teachings

that we really need to go in the opposite direction, and have no rituals

whatsoever?

A: Yes! Without question!

 

Q: Do you believe people can have their spiritual liberation without

any ritual help, whatsoever?

A: Yes! Absolutely! Silence on Self is the key that opens the doors of

liberation; the purest essence of scripture, gnosis and enlightenment;

the promised human evolution from matter to spirit!

 

Other than Silence on Self--the innermost core of unsurpassed

enlightenemnt in its most simplistic reduction and comprehension--

there must be no other emphasis on rules, dress, food, religion, guru,

leadership, ritual, treatment, penance, idol, pilgrimage, or any other

human invention to participate in the General Resurrection

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> Yes Violet, the " Devi can liberate us without any rituals " . i do not

> see any need for the 1001 SYSSR rituals, most of which are known

> human innovations and corruption of Her teachings. Even a single

> ritual is one too many. Accept one and you have to include the other

> 1000.

>

> And i am not giving a guideline for a new organization, just

> reminding all that the nature of the Divine is primal, profound

> Samaadhi:

>

> Arbad narbad dhun dhookaaraa.

> For endless eons, there was only utter darkness.

> Dharan na gagnaa hukam apaaraa.

> There was no earth or sky; there was only the infinite Command of

> His Hukam.

> Naa din rain na chand na sooraj sunn samaaDh lagaa-idaa.||1||

> There was no day or night, no moon or sun; God sat in primal,

> profound Samaadhi. ||1||

>

> http://www.aykaa-mayee.org/

>

> and Silence on Self is that primal, profound Samaadhi! Adding even a

> single ritual, dogma, dress code, dietary rule, religious verse, or

> anything for that matter is corruption of a most sacred and secret

> Truth.

>

 

, preetibala vasthava

<preetu551 wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir

>  

> This poetry is so beautiful. Is this Kabir's ?

>  

> Preeti

>

 

Arbad narbad dhun dhookaaraa.

For endless eons, there was only utter darkness.

 

Dharan na gagnaa hukam apaaraa.

There was no earth or sky; there was only the infinite Command of His

Hukam.

 

Naa din rain na chand na sooraj sunn samaaDh lagaa-idaa.||1||

There was no day or night, no moon or sun; God sat in primal,

profound Samaadhi. ||1||

 

Khaanee na banee pa-un na paanee.

There were no sources of creation or powers of speech, no air or

water.

 

Opat khapat na aavan jaanee.

There was no creation or destruction, no coming or going.

 

Khand pataal sapat nahee saagar nadee na neer vahaa-idaa. ||2||

There were no continents, nether regions, seven seas, rivers or

flowing water. ||2||

 

Naa tad surag machh pa-i-aalaa.

There were no heavenly realms, earth or nether regions of the

underworld.

 

Dojak bhisat nahee khai kaalaa.

There was no heaven or hell, no death or time.

 

Narak surag nahee jaman marnaa naa ko aa-ay na jaa-idaa. ||3||

There was no hell or heaven, no birth or death, no coming or going in

reincarnation. ||3||

 

Barahmaa bisan mahays na ko-ee.

There was no Brahma, Vishnu or Shiva.

 

Avar na deesai ayko so-ee.

No one was seen, except the One Lord.

 

Naar purakh nahee jaat na janmaa naa ko dukh sukh paa-idaa. ||4||

There was no female or male, no social class or caste of birth; no

one experienced pain or pleasure. ||4||

 

Naa tad jatee satee banvaasee.

There were no people of celibacy or charity; no one lived in the

forests.

Naa tad siDh saaDhik sukhvaasee.

There were no Siddhas or seekers, no one living in peace. There were

no Yogis, no wandering pilgrims, no religious robes; no one called

himself the master. ||5||

 

Jap tap sanjam naa barat poojaa.

There was no chanting or meditation, no self-discipline, fasting or

worship.

 

Naa ko aakh vakhaanai doojaa.

No one spoke or talked in duality.

 

Aapay aap upaa-ay vigsai aapay keemat paa-idaa. ||6||

He created Himself, and rejoiced; He evaluates Himself. ||6||

 

Naa such sanjam tulsee maalaa.

There was no purification, no self-restraint, no malas of basil

seeds.

 

Gopee kaan na ga-oo go-aalaa.

There were no Gopis, no Krishna, no cows or cowherds.

 

Tant mant pakhand na ko-ee naa ko vans vajaa-idaa. ||7||

There were no tantras, no mantras and no hypocrisy; no one played the

flute. ||7||

 

Karam gharam nahee maa-i-aa maakhee.

There was no karma, no Dharma, no buzzing fly of Maya.

 

Jaat janam nahee deesai aakhee.

Social class and birth were not seen with any eyes.

 

Mamtaa jaal kaal nahee maathai naa ko kisai dhi-aa-idaa. ||8||

There was no noose of attachment, no death inscribed upon the

forehead; no one meditated on anything. ||8||

 

Nind bind nahee jee-o na jindo.

There was no slander, no seed, no soul and no life.

 

Naa tad gorakh naa maachhindo.

There was no Gorakh and no Maachhindra.

 

Naa tad gi-aan Dhi-aan kul opat naa ko ganat ganaa-idaa. ||9||

There was no spiritual wisdom or meditation, no ancestry or creation,

no reckoning of accounts. ||9||

 

Yaran bhaykh nahee barahman khatree.

There were no castes or social classes, no religious robes, no

Brahmin or Kh'shaatriya.

 

Day-o na dayhuraa ga-oo gaa-itaree.

There were no demi-gods or temples, no cows or Gaayatri prayer.

 

Hom jag nahee tirath naavan naa ko poojaa laa-idaa. ||10||

There were no burnt offerings, no ceremonial feasts, no cleansing

rituals at sacred shrines of pilgrimage; no one worshipped in

adoration. ||10||

 

Naa ko mulaa naa ko kaajee.

There was no Mullah, there was no Qazi.

 

Naa ko saykh masaa-ik haajee.

There was no Shaykh, or pilgrims to Mecca.

 

Ra-ee-at raa-o na ha-umai dunee-aa naa ko kahan kahaa-idaa. ||11||

There was no king or subjects, and no worldly egotism; no one spoke

of himself. ||11||

 

Bhaa-o na bhagtee naa siv saktee.

There was no love or devotion, no Shiva or Shakti - no energy or

matter.

 

Saajan meet bind nahee raktee.

There were no friends or companions, no semen or blood.

 

Aapay saahu aapay vanjaaraa saachay ayho bhaa-idaa. ||12||

He Himself is the banker, and He Himself is the merchant. Such is the

Pleasure of the Will of the True Lord. ||12||

 

Bayd katayb na simrit saasat.

There were no Vedas, Korans or Bibles, no Simritees or Shaastras.

 

Paath puraan udai nahee aasat.

There was no recitation of the Puraanas, no sunrise or sunset.

 

Kahtaa baktaa aap agochar aapay alakh lakhaa-idaa. ||13||

The Unfathomable Lord Himself was the speaker and the preacher; the

unseen Lord Himself saw everything. ||13||

 

Jaa tis bhaanaa taa jagat upaa-i-aa.

When He (Waheguru/God Almighty) so willed, She (Aykaa Mayee/His

Shakti) created the world.

 

Baajh kalaa aadaan rahaa-i-aa.

Without any supporting power, She sustained the universe.

 

Barahmaa bisan mahays upaa-ay maa-i-aa moh vaDhaa-idaa. ||14||

She created Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva; She fostered enticement and

attachment to Maya. ||14||

 

Virlay ka-o gur sabad sunaa-i-aa.

How rare is that person who listens to the Word of the Guru's Shabad.

Kar kar daykhai hukam sabaa-i-aa.

She created the creation, and watches over it; the Hukam of His

Command is over all.

 

Khand barahmand paataal arambhay guptahu pargatee aa-idaa. ||15||

She formed the planets, solar systems and nether regions, and brought

what was hidden to manifestation. ||15||

 

Taa kaa ant na jaanai ko-ee.

No one knows His limits.

 

Pooray gur tay sojhee ho-ee.

This understanding comes from the Perfect Guru.

 

Naanak saach ratay bismaadee bisam bha-ay gun gaa-idaa. ||16||3||15||

O Nanak, those who are attuned to the Truth are wonderstruck; singing

His Glorious Praises, they are filled with wonder. ||16||3||15||

 

Guru Nanak Ji

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