How to progress in Yoga.

[Guest guest]

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

> And be assured, faith comes automatically with time & effort.

 

Thanks a lot for inspiration sir.

 

so hum...

[Guest guest]

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM

 

 

> Then further you will see starry skies and then you have to

> concentrate on bright star etc., etc.,

>

> All these experiences of numbness, seeing light, hearing sound

> etc., is the same experience you go through while actually dying.

> But since you are meditating and go through the experience daily

> when actual " dying time " comes it won't be frightening at all.

>

> This is exactly what St. Paul said meant, I DIE DAILY.

>

THANKS SUDHAKAR SIR JI

 

I have some queries .

 

..............and than after that situation of Yoga a person feels

star for some time and than it goes and than again it comes . while

practicing for long this star would become permanant and than you

start to meditate that star as whatever you think that would be

accomplished if continue for long time ...................

 

my question is that what is the final destination of that

meditation . is it to see the God yani Bhagwan ke Darshan ya kuch

aur ...............ya to merge into infinite consciousness

or ............ please enlighten something . IS THAT DESIRE IS THE

HEIGHEST OR SOMETHING ELSE TOO ............

 

it is my request to all the members though it is undertsood .

 

Thanks in advance

 

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHNA ,HARE HARE ,HARE

RAM ,HARE RAM ,RAM RAM , HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

>

>

> you but your intensity and sincerity counts.

>

 

Dear Ansuya

 

I would say that sincerity & intention is THE most important thing in

meditation. It is not whether or not you can sit with your legs in

padmasana, the full lotus posture. It is not whether or not you can

sit there for 2 or 3 hours. Its what's in your heart that counts more

than anything. Its being able to distance yourself from the ego,

thoughts & the body & see them as separate from the true self.

 

Brother Sudhakar, namaste to you. Please do not make assumptions

about me. I do not have a tv in the house & I loathe shopping. The

only two things that ever get in the way of my meditation these days

are my studies & my best friend dying of cancer. And of course I have

an ego just like anyone else. I keep a watchful eye over her at all

times & make sure she is not the one running the show.

 

With much love to you as always

 

Farah

[Guest guest]

, aumji <no_reply wrote:

Dear Aumji,

 

Namaste!

 

I am sorry this meditation technique should never be attempted

without a living Guru. You cannot read their books even if they

have spelled the technique, because ultimately there are more

temptations inside. Therefore a living spiritual master who appears

in his RADIANT FORM after traversing STARS, SUN AND MOON will

himself guide you inside. Travelling on your own is wrought with

danger.

 

There are many yogis who through their power of Pranayama have

reached here without guidance of a Guru and are roaming here and

there (in bliss ofcourse) but that is not final emancipation.

 

As regards technique adopted by buddhists is similar to what

Ramana Maharishi went though before he left his home.

 

You are right, death is fearful when we are attached to Sansar.

What to do, the lure of sansar is very strong but when you have

the master beside you, you have nothing to fear provided ofcourse

you do your regular meditation.

 

Agreed, actually death should be celebration - in fact as Osho's

commune near Pune they celebrate death with dance, music and

feasting. Wish such a thing existed everywhere.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

>

> Thanks Sudhakar ji for telling this wonderful meditation. Please

> tell if one can do it without guidance of a guru ?

>

[Guest guest]

, " janfarah_strongspirit "

<janfarah_strongspirit wrote:

>

 

Hello Farahaji,

 

Namaste!

 

I never made any assumption specially about you. If you read

again what i had said was, BECAUSE YOU CAN FIND TIME TO WATCH

TV OR GO SHOPPING ETC., ETC., BUT WHEN IT COMES TO MEDITATION

" everyone " BACKS OUT. It is a general statement and if you take

it personally that is your problem, for that,you cannot accuse me of

of having made ASSUMPTION about you.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

>> Brother Sudhakar, namaste to you. Please do not make assumptions

> about me. I do not have a tv in the house & I loathe shopping. The

> only two things that ever get in the way of my meditation these

days

[Guest guest]

, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

Dear Jitu Bhai,

 

Namaste!

 

First thing first. You have said, " and than it goes and than again

it comes " . Actually it never goes. It is always there. What goes or

wavers is our attention/concentration and therefore we feel goes

and comes.

 

Now your question is what is the final destination of that

meditation. I can say only this much. When you concentrate on

the star, it bursts and you move forward (i.e. astrally) then

comes sun and you concentrate on it. That bursts and you move

forward when moon appears. You concentrate on that moon and it

burst and you move forward and then you come across the most

beautiful shiny lustrous swarup of your astral form of your master

who initiated you.

 

Rani Indumati disciple of Saint Kabir when she reached astral

form of Kabir and travelled together realised that Kabir himself

was the ruler of those regions so she questioned him why she was

not told the truth. He replied, I am a poor weaver on earth and if

i was to disclose the truth you would have never believed me.

Now that you have seen for yourself you won't need any proof.

 

Jeetu Bhai reaching astral form of the master is like having

darshan of the Lord and then no question remains but that is

not the final emancipation. That takes place after your actual

physical death and how much karma is left, also if you still

have any desire, longing to be with your family can jeopardize

your prospects and you could be born again but under better

spiritual condition.

 

Uusally a smarter practioner who does come to know about his death

in advance will avoid getting trapped into this web and be

prepared for the final journey. And as it is said in bible,

there are many mansions in my fathers kingdom, we are placed there

according to the progress we have made here on earth. You

continue with your meditation there also in the astral region

till final karma is wiped out and then it is the merger of the

ordinary soul with the divine soul.

 

I have already opened my mouth too much and long enough and i

hope here our discussion will end.

 

Lastly in bible it is said, never throw pearls at swine. I feel

our sadanaa group all of us are fellow travellers, struggling in their

own way to get a foothold into this raging ocean of Sansar.

A few secrets here and there could spice up our enthusiasm to

goad us forward towards Eternity. Amen!

 

I hope nobody i repeat nobody makes a wrong conclusion to what i

said about " throwing pearls " .

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

> HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM

> THANKS SUDHAKAR SIR JI

>

> I have some queries .

>

[Guest guest]

, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

>

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO MEDITATION

> " everyone " BACKS OUT.

 

Dear brother Sudhakar

 

Thankyou for your response, but unfortunately I dont feel you making

assumptions about all of us, is any better than you making

assumptions about me. You are missing my point completely, so here is

a beautiful quote just for you...

 

" Judging others is an act of the ego, its a kind of arrogance. It

means that you think you're a great person and all the others are

fools. Others may have a problem, but to judge them means that you

have at least one kind of problem yourself, the problem of constantly

criticizing people. You are actually no different from them. Before

you see a mote in their eyes, see the beam in your own eye.

Be humble and correct your own problems. "

 

From " The Golden Present "

By Sri Swami Satchidananda

 

So brother, rather than criticizing people who do not meditate for 3

hours, or who go shopping, or watch tv - just focus on your own

practice, character & ego. If you ever fall off that high horse

Sudhakar, remember its a long way down.

 

With love to you as always

 

Farah

[Guest guest]

, " janfarah_strongspirit "

<janfarah_strongspirit wrote:

>

Hello Farahaji,

 

Namaste!

 

The quote you have quoted applies to you in equal measure.

Regarding my insistence was not that i was tom toming but

it was a reply to the query.

 

I think there is no point in arguing unnecessarily because

you are going to stick to your point and i am going to stick

to mine so in the interest of this sadhana group let us not

argue further and spoil the atmosphere here.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

> , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9@> wrote:

> Dear brother Sudhakar

>

> Thankyou for your response, but unfortunately I dont feel you

[Guest guest]

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM

 

> I have already opened my mouth too much and long enough and i

> hope here our discussion will end.

>

 

THANKS A LOT FOR SHARING VALUABLE KNOWLEDGE

THANKS A LOT SIR JI

 

i want to share my views too Sir ji

 

 

I think a person gets the visions as per his own nature. vision of the

astral form of the God who inititiated you COULD BE THE END BUT COULD

ALSO BE THE BEGINING ......................

 

and there is no final destination the journey is infinite. you would

start enjoying in that and if you want to move forward the way is

open ..................

 

i want to say that truths are infinite , as much you would enter into

deeper , you would find that oh it was nothing . you would meet with

new truth . as Baba ji said that everybody is saying true but these

could be either stages to reach the truth or another form of truth .

 

ONCE AGAIN SIR JI THANKS FOR RESPONSE

 

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE ,HARE RAM ,HARE

RAM ,RAM RAM,HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

> and there is no final destination the journey is infinite. you would

> start enjoying in that and if you want to move forward the way is

> open ..................

 

 

This is very true Jitendarji- the Truth is infinite- we can never hope

to completely grasp it.

 

Its like the number infinite- we can never count upto it, though we

can get near & near, we can never reach it.

 

God is like that-an infinite we can never grasp, though we can get

nearer & nearer.

 

The only way to grasp the infinite is to become the infinite.

 

with love

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

Dear Jitu bhai,

 

Namaste!

 

Thanks for your views. By the way " who initiated you could be the

end but could also be the beginning " ... is not the end but the

beginning, then the journey begins. Astral world is so huge and so

vast, that you could be stuck there exploring for eternity, but then

you have to move forward and then comes causal world which is more

beautiful and subtle than Astral World. It is in here that the

astral form of your master helps you to move forward. Then there

are still more world but you have to cross a crooked canal which

is referred as BUNKNAL in some books. It is here in you shed you

causal body as well and then you proceed up in your ''SOUL FORM''.

But this is not possible when you are in physical body because your

prarabd karma hangs around your neck like an ''ALBATROSS'' and till

you have worked out the karma you cannot proceed up. So in our

physical body we can go upto BUNKNAL that too with much practice

and for that you need to sit for long time in meditation. The price

is high. Your ten to fifteen minutes meditation won't help you

except a feeling of freshness/relaxation.

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

> HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM

>

> THANKS A LOT FOR SHARING VALUABLE KNOWLEDGE

[Guest guest]

> HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM

 

> are still more world but you have to cross a crooked canal which

> is referred as BUNKNAL in some books. It is here in you shed you

> causal body as well and then you proceed up in your ''SOUL FORM''.

 

 

THANKS SIR JI FOR GREAT KNOWLEDGE

 

 

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE ,HARE RAM ,HARE

RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

Jituji , I learned from net that

H H Radhasaomi of satsang emience taught that a crooked canal named

BUNKNAL

exists.

Are these same as

BAITHORONI river to cross which the native or the heirs have to gift a

milch cow to

a BRAHMIN?

Thanks sir in advance

ijswamy

 

 

~SWAMY

> HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM

 

> are still more world but you have to cross a crooked canal which

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM

 

H H Radhasaomi of satsang emience taught that a crooked canal

named BUNKNAL

> exists.

> Are these same as

> BAITHORONI river to cross which the native or the heirs have

to gift a milch cow to

> a BRAHMIN?

>

>

> Thanks Sir for asking a question to enhance and to open our intellect

 

i am sorry Sir Ji , i do not have any idea of that

 

i request to all please share. esp Sudhakar Sir because He explained

BUNKNAL

 

 

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN , KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE

HARE ,HARE RAM ,HARE RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE

>

>

[Guest guest]

, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote

 

Dear Fellow Spiritual Travellers,

 

Namaste!

 

I have this following question to all who contribute on this site

and also to those who just browse here.

 

Given a chance (Vardhan/wish)

Would you like to be born again and again as a human being

to hear and sing the glories of Lord's name

 

or The drop of ocean that we all are

would you like to merge back into the ocean

 

in either case I ALSO want to know WHY?

 

 

With warm wishes

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! " o)

 

> , " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja@> wrote:

> Dear Jitu bhai,

>

> Namaste!

>

> Thanks for your views. By the way " who initiated you could be the

[Guest guest]

If God appears before me (as He often does in some form or other) I pray that I

should merge into Him without rebirth in any form .

That will be the happiest state. I want that varadan.

 

 

~SWAMY

http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/

 

@ s.com, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9@.. .> wrote:

>

Dear Fellow Spiritual Travellers,

[Guest guest]

Dear Sudhakarji,

 

Being here in this world, in this age, living my life

remembering/singing God always is well neigh impossible, I may slip

into forgetfulness of Him and enter into misery. Hence, I would prefer

to merge in the Lord straight away, with the help from you all sadhaks!

 

Regards,

 

M.S.Thimmappa.

 

 

 

 

, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

>> Namaste!

 

> Given a chance (Vardhan/wish)

> Would you like to be born again and again as a human being

> to hear and sing the glories of Lord's name

[Guest guest]

, " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU "

<jiragavarapu wrote:

 

Dear Swamiji,

 

Namaste!

 

Thanks for your response but the answer is incomplete. I also

asked ''WHY''.

 

Kindly give your reasons for the same.

 

Thanks

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> If God appears before me (as He often does in some form or other) I

pray that I should merge into Him without rebirth in any form .

> That will be the happiest state. I want that varadan.

>

>

> ~SWAMY

> http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/

>

> @ s.com, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9@ .> wrote:

> >

> Dear Fellow Spiritual Travellers,

>

[Guest guest]

, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

>

> Given a chance (Vardhan/wish)

> Would you like to be born again and again as a human being

> to hear and sing the glories of Lord's name

>

 

Good question sudhakar ji,

 

I personally feel i would like to come again and again to this

beautiful universe....BUT not as a slave but as a Master !!

 

I do wish to see the beauty of the Mother in form of universe and

sing eternal songs of her glory...but not for any desire for Moksha

for any blessings...but out of eternal love

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

> , " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9@> wrote:

> >

> > Given a chance (Vardhan/wish)

> > Would you like to be born again and again as a human being

> > to hear and sing the glories of Lord's name

> >

 

Does my desire have any impact on what will happen ? Is it not more

important to rise above in sadhna so that nature is forced to give us

Moksha?

 

jaya

[Guest guest]

, jaya_sundram <no_reply wrote:

 

> > > Given a chance (Vardhan/wish)

> > > Would you like to be born again and again as a human being

> > > to hear and sing the glories of Lord's name

 

Sudhakarji, I would like complete freedom- freedom to merge into the

Unknown, freedom to return to Earth anytime I want, in any form I

want. These 2 things are not exclusive. Asking for anything less would

be being cheated.

 

with love

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

>

> Given a chance (Vardhan/wish)

> Would you like to be born again and again as a human being

> to hear and sing the glories of Lord's name

>

> or The drop of ocean that we all are

> would you like to merge back into the ocean

>

if given a chance all i would wish to be borne again as human being

with much purity and love. merging back to the ocean will be perhaps

againt the god's plan. this life is beautiful and a blessing from the

God, therefore i wish to be born as an enlighteded human with more

cality about Him.Also there will be no love for Him if i merge in to

Him AS IT WILL BE LIKE BECOMING hIM ONLY.

 

so hum...

[Guest guest]

, " so hum " <jigyaasuu wrote:

>

> >

> > Given a chance (Vardhan/wish)

> > Would you like to be born again and again as a human being

> > to hear and sing the glories of Lord's name

> >

> > or The drop of ocean that we all are

> > would you like to merge back into the ocean

 

Namaste all!

 

Have you considered that this choice might also not be in our hands?

That indescribable Shakti that rules our fate might make this choice

for us as well?

 

with love

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

>

> Have you considered that this choice might also not be in our hands?

> That indescribable Shakti that rules our fate might make this choice

> for us as well?

>

> with love

> Shantnu

>

 

Dear shantnu, This question of yours raises another question. What

are we ?

 

This " I " and " i " is shiva or Shakti ?

 

Who is trying to get liberated ? shiva or shakti ?

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

, aumji <no_reply wrote:

 

 

> Who is trying to get liberated ? shiva or shakti ?

>

Aumji, no doubt it is lower Shakti trying to get liberated, as Shiva &

higher shakti(Adi Shakti) are already liberated.

 

But our lower Shakti is a part of Adi Shakti, & she decides how we

will progress, what path we will take(Raj Yog, Hatha Yog, Tantra,

Bhakti, or a mixture of them). Our own free will is to accept her path

with surrender, or fight her & delay our own Mukti.

 

I was reading somewhere: A Guru tells his student- you dont have the

freedom to reject my path, as your personal Shakti wont let you. You

do have the freedom to make fast or slow progress, based on how much

dedication you have.

 

So our only freedom is to accept Ma Shaktis path for us- we can be

sure she has chosen the fastest path for us. This surrender is what

separates Yogis from normal people.

 

with love

Shantnu